[313] sugestion for a sunday
this is one of my favorite mixed sets from all times. it is mixed by one of the bests brazilian djs, dj spiceee. the set is from the time he was more into detroit influenied stuff. i hope u like it.. http://www.rraurl.com/real/djs/spiceee3.ram take care u all.. henrique - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] technology
DJxDJ = Daniel Miller (Mute) + Seth Hodder (NovaMute). Great DEMF set...it started slow, but REALLY hit a groove once it built up. I think a lot of people drifted off before it kicked in and missed a good thing. When the set started I was standing with Carlos S...when I saw him later he said he nearly left early, but it dropped into a very nice place when he'd almost reached the top of the ramp and he turned back. I thought that it - along with Todd Sines' set - were a few of the highlights of this year's fest. jeff ps although it has nothing to do with anything above, I was also really impressed with Sharif's set before Monolake at Detroit Contemporary last summer. I think you are referring to Mute Records founder Daniel Miller. I believe it is Daniel Miller and a partner whose name escapes me, - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] FA ebay
Mark Broom set, Russ Gabriel, a few other things of interest. No reserves. Thx. http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems[EMAIL PROTECTED]sort=2page=1rows=25since=-1 seller id = [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Techno for funerals
For me, it would have to be Inversions by Andre Holland. The future passed you by. Labwerx Music http://www.geocities.com/labwerx Which techno track do you want to be played at your funeral? My last wish would be: The Martian Model 500 - Search your Feelings (RedPlanet-4) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Gettin' Wiggy Wit' It
What is the vibe on the new Green Velvet album? I like all his stuff though I always think of Caj as a singles artist, just because his singles are so good. The single La La land is brilliant. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
Mr. Woolums has taken the words RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH! How advanced is a piece of equipment that can finally do today what certain Detroit Djs could do 12 years ago? Where is the progress in TALENT? All this does is make it easier for djs who lack the ability to do it by hand. Instead of raising the bar, they lowering it and trying to step over. word! I totally agree! computers are totally ruinging electronic music! I mean, where's the TALENT in pushing some buttons, or twisting a knob? whatever happened to what a few guys, ONLY IN DETROIT, did 12 years ago, like PLAY THE DRUMS, or LEARN THE GUITAR? That's what techno music is about, RAW SKILL. anything that makes it easier for someone to express tehmselves creatively, like say a computer, is a CRUTCH. it's BULLSHIT. it should be MOCKED. How can some foolish upstart who's not even from detroit, some moron canadian, possibly think he can start calling himself a so-called tecno dj when he uses a COMPUTER? I for one, am shocked an appalled! who's up for a turntable jam session! come to my house in belleville, only in detroit! back and proud, jeff mills - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
IMO- music is all about getting the ideas in your head to a medium from which other people can enjoy it. computers and musical instruments, electronic or acoustic, facilitate this process. -Joe negative-saucer -- R17 is not a fixed velocity, but it is clearly far too fast. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject Detroit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:37 AM Subject: RE: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere Mr. Woolums has taken the words RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH! How advanced is a piece of equipment that can finally do today what certain Detroit Djs could do 12 years ago? Where is the progress in TALENT? All this does is make it easier for djs who lack the ability to do it by hand. Instead of raising the bar, they lowering it and trying to step over. word! I totally agree! computers are totally ruinging electronic music! I mean, where's the TALENT in pushing some buttons, or twisting a knob? whatever happened to what a few guys, ONLY IN DETROIT, did 12 years ago, like PLAY THE DRUMS, or LEARN THE GUITAR? That's what techno music is about, RAW SKILL. anything that makes it easier for someone to express tehmselves creatively, like say a computer, is a CRUTCH. it's BULLSHIT. it should be MOCKED. How can some foolish upstart who's not even from detroit, some moron canadian, possibly think he can start calling himself a so-called tecno dj when he uses a COMPUTER? I for one, am shocked an appalled! who's up for a turntable jam session! come to my house in belleville, only in detroit! back and proud, jeff mills - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Techno for funerals
autchere:anvil vapre as one: from reflectios on reflection track remixed by plaid plastikman:consumed (except 8,9,10) rhythim is rhythim:icon kerri chandler:rain(not so techno, but for funural) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
I totally agree! computers are totally ruinging electronic music! I mean, where's the TALENT in pushing some buttons, or twisting a knob? whatever happened to what a few guys, ONLY IN DETROIT, did 12 years ago, like PLAY THE DRUMS, or LEARN THE GUITAR? im sorry to tell you but electronic music is about that everything is controled or made by some kind of computer, synthsizer or sampler. im not on hawtin side about mixing 1450 tracks in 60 minutes with computer, but please guitar, drums, what is next...banjo. How can some foolish upstart who's not even from detroit, some moron canadian, possibly think he can start calling himself a so-called tecno dj when he uses a COMPUTER? I for one, am shocked an appalled! am i hearing this right or you just said that anybody who is not from detriot cant be a dj, techno dj. i always tought that techno is about pushing the limits, making something new, be the first in upgrading the music. in mixing im on your side, turntables is my first choice, but choose your words. b. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] music institute/sound signature parties
On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 04:43:34PM +1000, Jason Martin wrote: hey all, its been a while! I've put up a few modest pages on the music institute and sound signature/track mode parties (among other things) from this year's DEMF at http://www.suenomartino.net for anyone who may be interested... any incorrect info etc, pls drop me a line.. Great site Jason!! Nice to see your pics online and the amount of great information! Cheers, Hans -- Hans Veneman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://technotourist.org http://www.TV-99-AD.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] santos rodriguez
I believe this EP is produced by Arthur Smith who also produces under the moniker of Grain Morgan Reno. Although he strongly denies it, the B sides of the EP bear a very similar resemblance to the 3rd Grain EP on Fatcat. www.bleep43.co.uk - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [313] santos rodriguez - Original Message - From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: [313] santos rodriguez Little question: is this guy producing under some aliases? Because cosmic id 001 is the only relase from santos rodriguez i´ve heard from (and I like it a lot). Great question. I've been dieing to know this for a while too. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info http://www.metatrackstudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] santos rodriguez
I want to know who Santos Rodriguez is too! For a while I thought it was bicknell, but I'm not so sure now - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [313] santos rodriguez - Original Message - From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: [313] santos rodriguez Little question: is this guy producing under some aliases? Because cosmic id 001 is the only relase from santos rodriguez i´ve heard from (and I like it a lot). Great question. I've been dieing to know this for a while too. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info http://www.metatrackstudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RV: [313] santos rodriguez
santos is actually Grain...He works in Big Apple Reocrds in Croydon, UK with John Kennedy from the Lost Recordings crew. Very nice guy..also known as Grain of the richie Haw3tin Decks FX etc and also known as Morgan Reno. How do I knwo this well there good friends of mine. Please can you post this to help others. Thanks -Original Message- From: daweed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2001 10:30 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] santos rodriguez I want to know who Santos Rodriguez is too! For a while I thought it was bicknell, but I'm not so sure now - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [313] santos rodriguez - Original Message - From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: [313] santos rodriguez Little question: is this guy producing under some aliases? Because cosmic id 001 is the only relase from santos rodriguez i´ve heard from (and I like it a lot). Great question. I've been dieing to know this for a while too. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info http://www.metatrackstudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] santos rodriguez
yeah, that makes sense - Original Message - From: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [313] santos rodriguez I believe this EP is produced by Arthur Smith who also produces under the moniker of Grain Morgan Reno. Although he strongly denies it, the B sides of the EP bear a very similar resemblance to the 3rd Grain EP on Fatcat. www.bleep43.co.uk - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [313] santos rodriguez - Original Message - From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: [313] santos rodriguez Little question: is this guy producing under some aliases? Because cosmic id 001 is the only relase from santos rodriguez i´ve heard from (and I like it a lot). Great question. I've been dieing to know this for a while too. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info http://www.metatrackstudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] juan atkins interview
I think this is a nice quote from this interview with Juan: --- So can you elaborate a little bit about the controversy surrounding your appearance at the DEMF? God and Mother Nature worked it out the way it should have been. The hailstorm and the rain and lightning and thunder that came about three quarters of the way through my set was justification, so to speak. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marsel wrote: http://www.cdnow.com/juanatkins_int2001/from=rex:x:cdn:1019juanf -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
Geez wake up people it is is still the man who programs the machine! It's not the machine who makes the music!!! I am not even trying to take this response seriously, what a limited vision... KJ I totally agree! computers are totally ruinging electronic music! I mean, where's the TALENT in pushing some buttons, or twisting a knob? whatever happened to what a few guys, ONLY IN DETROIT, did 12 years ago, like PLAY THE DRUMS, or LEARN THE GUITAR? That's what techno music is about, RAW SKILL. anything that makes it easier for someone to express tehmselves creatively, like say a computer, is a CRUTCH. it's BULLSHIT. it should be MOCKED. How can some foolish upstart who's not even from detroit, some moron canadian, possibly think he can start calling himself a so-called tecno dj when he uses a COMPUTER? I for one, am shocked an appalled! who's up for a turntable jam session! come to my house in belleville, only in detroit! back and proud, jeff mills - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz
As One Planetary Folklore 4Hero Two Pages Ian O Brien Gigantic Days are the first three that immediately come to mind for me. all are highly worth checking out -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:38 AM To: '313' Subject: [313] techno/jazz Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live instrumentation and and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare groove' listening side... Two notable pieces are Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? Thanks Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] techno/jazz
Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live instrumentation and and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare groove' listening side... Two notable pieces are Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? Thanks Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz
I reckon that Kirk Degiorgio bettered the Planetary Folklore album (on Mo Wax) with In with arps and moogs and things...(?) on Clear. But both sound like authentic jazz. Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 22/10/2001 01:49:10 PM To: 'Rob Theakston' [EMAIL PROTECTED], '313' 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: RE: [313] techno/jazz Cheers... Got the latter twobtw 4Hero have a new CD similar to Two Pagesplus a cover version of 'expansions' by Lonnie Liston Smith...not had a chance to chase that up yet tho. But I feel it falls into the jazzy drum and bass arena. Is Plantary Folklore Kirk Delgardo (sp?) So hard to find anything on Mo'wax. Rav -Original Message- From: Rob Theakston [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:47 PM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; '313' Subject: RE: [313] techno/jazz As One Planetary Folklore 4HeroTwo Pages Ian O Brien Gigantic Days are the first three that immediately come to mind for me. all are highly worth checking out -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:38 AM To: '313' Subject: [313] techno/jazz Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live instrumentation and and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare groove' listening side... Two notable pieces are Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? Thanks Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] KMS album
Does anyone know anything about a KMS compilation from 1988 (I think) with Rhythm is Rhythm's 'Beyond the dance' as the last track but including other tracks by MK, Art Forest. Does anyone have an opinion of it? Thanks -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] techno/jazz
I think you would enjoy the Herbie Hancock album which I haven't heard of yet but everyone seems enamoured with. LTJ Bukem has remixed a single from that album. You may like Bukem's stuff generally as he shares the same kind of cultural sensibilities, with that jazz/tech/house hybrid. Bukem is working on a remix album of Journey Inwards with some of his own heroes - though no names are being given out, my guess is that artists from Detroit, Chicago and the jazz world will be involved in that. He is also launching a new deep house label Deep Rooted, so maybe look out for those issues. I think it will be interesting. Also Dave Angel's roots are heavily steeped in jazz, so maybe his artist albums. I know his next one was gonna feature live musicians but I haven't heard anything more about this. Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live instrumentation and and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare groove' listening side... Two notable pieces are Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? Thanks Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz
Cheers... Got the latter twobtw 4Hero have a new CD similar to Two Pagesplus a cover version of 'expansions' by Lonnie Liston Smith...not had a chance to chase that up yet tho. But I feel it falls into the jazzy drum and bass arena. Is Plantary Folklore Kirk Delgardo (sp?) So hard to find anything on Mo'wax. Rav -Original Message- From: Rob Theakston [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:47 PM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; '313' Subject: RE: [313] techno/jazz As OnePlanetary Folklore 4Hero Two Pages Ian O Brien Gigantic Days are the first three that immediately come to mind for me. all are highly worth checking out -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:38 AM To: '313' Subject: [313] techno/jazz Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live instrumentation and and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare groove' listening side... Two notable pieces are Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? Thanks Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] KMS album
Oh yeah ... TECHNO ONE Seems like it was pretty decent, kind of like the B-sides to the Virgin Techno! comp. I'll dig it up at home for a track listing. -d At 6:25 AM -0700 10/22/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know anything about a KMS compilation from 1988 (I think) with Rhythm is Rhythm's 'Beyond the dance' as the last track but including other tracks by MK, Art Forest. Does anyone have an opinion of it? Thanks -- Warning : The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your computer. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the Providian Financial corporate e-mail system and is subject to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. == - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] techno/jazz
The new Ian O'Brien album, A History of Things to Come (Peacefrog) gets my current vote for gorgeous, spicey 'future jazz' stuff in this vein. But he throws in versions of Jaco Pastorius' Teentown, and Pat Methany's A Midsummer Western Night's Dream to provide some nice historical context. Also features Kiwi Nathan Haines (flute), and Domu (drum programmer extraordinaire). On a housier tip, don't miss Aqua Bassino's Beats n' Bobs, on F Comm, recently out. Wes On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Mann, Ravinder [CCS] wrote: Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live instrumentation and and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare groove' listening side... Two notable pieces are Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? Thanks Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] techno/jazz
Oh and of course Laurent Garnier's Unreasonable Behavior - but Man With The Red Face is maybe too obvious? There is supposed to be another track he has like that, which started off as a live track. St Germain also, though that's more traditional jazz. Again very obvious. Cheers... Got the latter twobtw 4Hero have a new CD similar to Two Pagesplus a cover version of 'expansions' by Lonnie Liston Smith...not had a chance to chase that up yet tho. But I feel it falls into the jazzy drum and bass arena. Is Plantary Folklore Kirk Delgardo (sp?) So hard to find anything on Mo'wax. Rav -Original Message- From: Rob Theakston [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:47 PM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; '313' Subject: RE: [313] techno/jazz As One Planetary Folklore 4Hero Two Pages Ian O Brien Gigantic Days are the first three that immediately come to mind for me. all are highly worth checking out -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:38 AM To: '313' Subject: [313] techno/jazz Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live instrumentation and and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare groove' listening side... Two notable pieces are Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? Thanks Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz
also try Jan Jalinek's Loop-Finding-Jazz-Records not live instrumentation, but a cut up of older jazz records from the 60's and 70's. sure he didn't play these instruments himself and used a computer and sampler to meld the samples together, ... -Original Message- From: Rob Theakston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:47 AM To: Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; '313' Subject: RE: [313] techno/jazz As One Planetary Folklore 4Hero Two Pages Ian O Brien Gigantic Days are the first three that immediately come to mind for me. all are highly worth checking out -Original Message- From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:38 AM To: '313' Subject: [313] techno/jazz Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live instrumentation and and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare groove' listening side... Two notable pieces are Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? Thanks Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RV: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
I am not from detroit and I am a techno dj, also a producer. btw, a drum machine or a synth IS a computer, in case you didn't know - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject Detroit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: RE: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere Mr. Woolums has taken the words RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH! How advanced is a piece of equipment that can finally do today what certain Detroit Djs could do 12 years ago? Where is the progress in TALENT? All this does is make it easier for djs who lack the ability to do it by hand. Instead of raising the bar, they lowering it and trying to step over. word! I totally agree! computers are totally ruinging electronic music! I mean, where's the TALENT in pushing some buttons, or twisting a knob? whatever happened to what a few guys, ONLY IN DETROIT, did 12 years ago, like PLAY THE DRUMS, or LEARN THE GUITAR? That's what techno music is about, RAW SKILL. anything that makes it easier for someone to express tehmselves creatively, like say a computer, is a CRUTCH. it's BULLSHIT. it should be MOCKED. How can some foolish upstart who's not even from detroit, some moron canadian, possibly think he can start calling himself a so-called tecno dj when he uses a COMPUTER? I for one, am shocked an appalled! who's up for a turntable jam session! come to my house in belleville, only in detroit! back and proud, jeff mills - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz
Thanks for the feedbacklet me just add in Ian Simmonds - Last States of Nature on !K7 to Innerzone Orchestra - Programmed and Stacey Pullen -Today is the Tommorow CDs i mentioned earlier for an idea of type of sound Im trying find. Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Cleveland OH : Carpark/Tomlab Show 10/23 :
Headroom Digital, Carpark Records, Audiodregs, and Tomlab Present: Inkblott : Texas : http://www.tomlab.de/tom9/index.html Jon Sheffield : Missouri : http://www.tomlab.de/tom12/index.html Takagi Masakatsu : Japan : http://homepage.mac.com/utono/ @ the Asterisk Gallery in Cleveland (Tremont) OH 2393 Professor Street. 10/23...9pm...$7 Greg Malcolm T w i n e///S o u n d ¤ http://www.twinesound.com :: http://www.heftyrecords.com http://www.komplott.com :: http://www.bip-hop.com http://www.headroomdigital.com ¤ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Metro Area 4
record of the year? no. that still goes to Metro Area 3. but this one is close, very close. it's just as good. should be out by now. look for it. if you haven't had the chance to hear any of the material on the environ label, i strongly urge you to do so. Morgan Geist and company can do no wrong. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Groovetech site
Anyone else having difficulty with accessing the site this morning? I'm getting a 'cannot find server' page. -dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] technology (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:37:15 -0700 From: MARC DOUGLAS CHRISTENSEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] technology Kent- would you forward my reply to the list? my last several posts haven't gone through. thanks, -marc the inestimable Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well real Detroit techno was over before it started in some respects. Kind of like the Velvet Underground -- by the time anyone paid attention it was long since gone. mostly true -- by the time it drew critical attention -- hell, even by the time of the music institute, the youth scene -- the under-21 scene that was the audience for the sound --- had changed so much that an affinity for techno (or progressive house, or whatever) seemed almost a throwback. but Techno stopped being 'TECHNO' when it spread beyond a very exclusive scene that only really involved a few hundred people in and around Detroit. CORRECTION: Given that techno wasn't applied to the sound until '88, when it was applied specifically in order to market the sound abroad, you *should* say that Techno only *began* being techno by turning away from the scene that produced it. (it used to be known as a whole raft of things, but the most common i remember from high school circa '83-'87 was detroit house) as for the few hundred people estimate -- it's higher, but certainly not arguably larger than 20,000, unless you add in Chicago's scene and its audience for Detroit product. And even my highball figure of 20,000 (over seven years of adversity, with the sound trapped in two midwestern cities) certainly can't compare to the DEMF attendance. history, folks, history. -marc PS I've got to get off web-based terminal emulation programs. my emails *never* make it to the list! l - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Re: Metro Area 4
Well... speakin for myself, I like Daniel Wang's stuff much more. He can do no wrong for me personally, although he tends to be a crazy guy! I'm gonna do an interview wit him soon for capsite.net and I'll put sum crazy photos of him in it as well. Did you hear the track on his CD with the theramin? : ) Any comments on his releases? Karl Dr. Nutcracker http://www.capsite.net record of the year? no. that still goes to Metro Area 3. but this one is close, very close. it's just as good. should be out by now. look for it. if you haven't had the chance to hear any of the material on the environ label, i strongly urge you to do so. Morgan Geist and company can do no wrong. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: Metro Area 4
Well... speakin for myself, I like Daniel Wang's stuff much more. He can do no wrong for me personally, although he tends to be a crazy guy! I'm gonna do an interview wit him soon for capsite.net and I'll put sum crazy photos of him in it as well. Did you hear the track on his CD with the theramin? : ) Any comments on his releases? I only have one of his records - I think it was his last one on Environ. Liked it in the shop, but I obviously flicked through too quickthought it was a bit dull and slightly naff when I listened to it properly at home. Shades of Jean Michel Jarre I remember thinking. I love Morgan Geist's stuff though. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] santos rodriguez
I can see the similarities between it and his stuff on Fat Cat. I wouldn't have said it was Bicknell though. Thanks. Does he have anything new out? Last I saw was a remix of Emiliana Torrini. Scott Mc - Original Message - From: daweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: RV: [313] santos rodriguez santos is actually Grain...He works in Big Apple Reocrds in Croydon, UK with John Kennedy from the Lost Recordings crew. Very nice guy..also known as Grain of the richie Haw3tin Decks FX etc and also known as Morgan Reno. How do I knwo this well there good friends of mine. Please can you post this to help others. Thanks -Original Message- From: daweed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2001 10:30 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] santos rodriguez I want to know who Santos Rodriguez is too! For a while I thought it was bicknell, but I'm not so sure now - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [313] santos rodriguez - Original Message - From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: [313] santos rodriguez Little question: is this guy producing under some aliases? Because cosmic id 001 is the only relase from santos rodriguez i´ve heard from (and I like it a lot). Great question. I've been dieing to know this for a while too. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info http://www.metatrackstudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Model 500 - Ocean to Ocean(Transmat)
definately the wanderer is the other track, and i personally like that one the best. all around it is great, and it available on Transmat Classics, so you don't have to pay an insane amount of money for a original on e-bay.. jeff -Original Message- From: Sakari Karipuro [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:20 AM To: allnight Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Model 500 - Ocean to Ocean(Transmat) allnight wrote on Fri, 19 Oct 2001 about following: hi list members. can anyone make coments in this record? i know only infoworld from it. r the other trax like it? how would u describe it? i can't remember any other tracks from the ep than Ocean to Ocean (vocal mix), which is so beautiful track that you should buy few extra copies :) yeah, there is instrumental of Ocean to Ocean, and infoworld, and one other track.. maybe it was wanderer or something. i have 12 somewhere in my shelf, but didn't find it with quick glance through. just buy it. it's excellent. sakke -- The number of Unix installations has grown to 10, with more expected. --The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June, 1972 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Hallowe'en (D in Toronto)
Woodwork squeaks ...some welcome guests from Detroit will soon be gracing us with their presence. Carl Craig at Roxy Blue, + Todd Mullinix and Matthew Dear at this one: Hallowe'en approaches and Technot is back...and this is a big one! A collaboration with Wabi and The Music Gallery, we present a Hallowe'en event in a rarely-visited artists' studio, with an amazing musical lineup that includes 2 special guests from Detroit (TADD MULLINIX, MATTHEW DEAR), Tomas Yirku's hip-hop project (G.I. JOE KILLAZ), as well as DJ sets from Technot residents UTILITY and OVALROASTER and the WABI COLLECTIVE. Friday, October 26 10pm - ? 411 Front St. E. [at Cherry St.] $10 advance or with costume.. more at door.. 19+ live: Tadd Mullinix [ghostly international . detroit] G.I. Joe Killaz [substractif . toronto] dj: Matthew Dear [spectral recordings . detroit] Technot residents Wabi residents visuals: missing persons advance tickets: penguin..metropolis..rotate..delphic..odyssey..alter ego..the music gallery www.wabi.org? N.B. - your advance ticket will also get you into the music gallery's ROBERT NORMANDEAU performance earlier the same evening for only $5 [regular ticket price $20]!?? recently signed to aphex twin's rephlex label, robert normandeau is a montreal-based musician whose set-up for his performance includes an astounding 18-speaker surround-sound amplification system. this performance is going to be a trip! robert normandeau: friday..october..26. intro 7:15pm.. show 8pm.. robert gill theatre. 214 College St. 3rd floor [st. george entrance] www.musicgallery.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] melbourne australia : 313ish event
just a quick mention: trying something different - a warehouse party with deep dubby techno, and pure dub more info @ URL HEADSPACE dub/tech party http://koan.net/headspace/ (sat 17th november) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] TITONTON FABRICE LIG 12
Hello folks! Go and get this amazing and beautiful 12 of these two masters of melodic techno! The new 7th City is unbelievable nice! Titonton Fabrice Lig - Sensual / 7th City 012 YES! Cheers, Arne Arne Weinberg GROUND ZERO Rec. / STARBABY Rec. / PROPAGANDA Rec. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Gettin' Wiggy Wit' It
kinda weird. i picked it up, it's got the La La Land single and a kinda hard-housey type track that i play. the techno tracks are a little weird: this is definitely something that you should listen to first before buying. Mike From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Gettin' Wiggy Wit' It Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:56:54 +1000 What is the vibe on the new Green Velvet album? I like all his stuff though I always think of Caj as a singles artist, just because his singles are so good. The single La La land is brilliant. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] TITONTON FABRICE LIG 12
i agree. the nwe Titonton/Fabrice Lig on 7th City and Nairobi definitely have to be the best classic-sounding records of the year. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arne Weinberg) To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] TITONTON FABRICE LIG 12 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:31:30 +0200 Hello folks! Go and get this amazing and beautiful 12 of these two masters of melodic techno! The new 7th City is unbelievable nice! Titonton Fabrice Lig - Sensual / 7th City 012 YES! Cheers, Arne Arne Weinberg GROUND ZERO Rec. / STARBABY Rec. / PROPAGANDA Rec. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: Metro Area 4
Well... speakin for myself, I like Daniel Wang's stuff much more. He can do no wrong for me personally, although he tends to be a crazy guy! I'm gonna do an interview wit him soon for capsite.net and I'll put sum crazy photos of him in it as well. Did you hear the track on his CD with the theramin? : ) Any comments on his releases? i love the wang! haha the only thing that bugs me is the recurring carribean cruise-ship jazz feelings in his music. hey check this new swedish label, Plej! kinda metrofunk (hey otto :P) kinda micro-house or whatchever its called. http://www.plej.se has mp3's from their first release :) jt _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] technology
wasn't that party thrown by woody mcbride? i have heard numerous times that party was one of the best in the MW...kinda makes we wanna live in the old times... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:59 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: [313] technology he is dropping is own version of Get Ur Freak On but it's still cool nonetheless. his supposed lack of humor is a common misconception, it seems. he once opened a set in minneapolis with the entirety of Stairway To Heaven - and i mean the whole damn song. the party was called Stairway To Headphones, hence the song. rich went on typically late in the evening, i think right after josh wink. so picture several hours of techno interrrupted by a very long Led Zeppelin song. damn that was funny. people had no idea what to do. At 7:26 PM +1000 10/19/01, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Well dude is dropping Missy Elliott into his sets too now, I read in Jockey Slut. Guess this means I get a reprieve from techno purists who scoff at my RB CDs now. Thanks Rich! ;) Now I dare Richie to drop Jay-Z or Bubba Sparxxx. ;) all i have to say is who else has ventured out into the land of experimantation like hawtin has on the closer to the edit CD?? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] fuel to the fire
Why is it that seemingly innocuous inquiries sent to this list invariably lead to embittered polemics? I remember when this particular strain began with a simple question on my part as to the general opinions circulating on Mr. Hawtin's newest creation. Then came the inevitable Richie bashing. What is it about the gent that stirs such negative emotion? Is it that he's white or not a Detroit native or that he has gained a relatively large following outside of the techno underground thanks to numerous publications? I personally love the guy; his work touches me in a profound manner. By this I don't necessarily mean his work has changed my outlook on life, but his particular brand of techno (which I believe to be very singular) appeals to that creative, imaginative, and (dare I say) intellectual side of my being. And this doesn't even take into regard the satisfaction my rhythmic nature finds in Richie's bare bones approach to the essential beat. His work reinforces my love of techno, dammit! Anyway, without digressing extravagantly, I think the argument centered around the progression of technology as it relates to the creative process has been steered the wrong way. Too many purists IMO. Where does techno fit if technology is to be shunned and feared? (Yes, I'm well aware that the whole of this list doesn't fear technology as a primitive would fear fire.) It's all about how the technology is used and especially how the material goods of our time are directed towards an end goal of individual expression as it relates to current cultural trends and mindsets (both local and global). Art should reflect the present and not be regarded separately, for the key to its purpose lies in the questions, ruminations, ponderances, and affirmations that result from it. Plus, don't forget that technology's goal is to make life easier for us, to facilitate the tasks that we may needlessly exert our limit energies towards accomplishing. If a new piece of equipment opens doors to a whole new slate of artists who heretofore haven't possessed the means or ability (or desire or time . . .) to express themselves, all the better. The innovators will be singled out and recognized, that is a guarantee. Besides, imitation comes before innovation. I don't know my thoughts are at all cohesive or if I'm rambling, but I'm trying to cram multiple thoughts into this lunch break of mine. Time to get back to work. (I can't wait to see what kind of an acerbic response I'll get to this.) Rusty aka DJ MaybeIhavenocluewhatI'mtalkingabout _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Gettin' Wiggy Wit' It
Weird is Green Velvet's middle name, well, actually it's Alan, but ya know what I mean. ;) He is calling it techno punk. There are a lot of retro sounds in there which I kinda like. Genedefekt is electro. GAT (Great American Tragedy) is a heavy metal, punk and techno. La La Land has just been added to Triple J here (Aussie Radio One aka alternative station that occasionally adds token hip-hop and dance tracks just to acknowledge their existence), which is strange but good. kinda weird. i picked it up, it's got the La La Land single and a kinda hard-housey type track that i play. the techno tracks are a little weird: this is definitely something that you should listen to first before buying. Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] technology
If I remember correctly Stairway to Headphones is a release by Wink and McBride on the Head in the Clouds label. It was also released on a 2 x 12 of remixes of Basketball Heroes called BasketBall Heroes vs. Stairway to Headphones on McBride's Communique label. So the party by the same name would probably have been thrown by McBride. I vaguely remember hearing about it as I was living in Cleveland at the time (around 95, I think). But I don't remember hearing anything about the party back then. At 09:51 AM 10/22/2001 -0700, FC3 Richards wrote: wasn't that party thrown by woody mcbride? i have heard numerous times that party was one of the best in the MW...kinda makes we wanna live in the old times... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 9:59 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: [313] technology he is dropping is own version of Get Ur Freak On but it's still cool nonetheless. his supposed lack of humor is a common misconception, it seems. he once opened a set in minneapolis with the entirety of Stairway To Heaven - and i mean the whole damn song. the party was called Stairway To Headphones, hence the song. rich went on typically late in the evening, i think right after josh wink. so picture several hours of techno interrrupted by a very long Led Zeppelin song. damn that was funny. people had no idea what to do. At 7:26 PM +1000 10/19/01, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Well dude is dropping Missy Elliott into his sets too now, I read in Jockey Slut. Guess this means I get a reprieve from techno purists who scoff at my RB CDs now. Thanks Rich! ;) Now I dare Richie to drop Jay-Z or Bubba Sparxxx. ;) all i have to say is who else has ventured out into the land of experimantation like hawtin has on the closer to the edit CD?? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] techno/jazz
Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late... Ian O'Brien Desert Scores (Peacefrog) Kirk Degiorgio presents As One - Contours/Another Revolution (Ubiquity) check the Stacy Pullen mix Kirk Degiorgio presents As One - Nairobi (Ubuiquity) Carl Graig mix Check out just about anything on Compost records as well You might also enjoy Flanger. MEK From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] techno/jazz Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:25:16 +1000 I think you would enjoy the Herbie Hancock album which I haven't heard of yet but everyone seems enamoured with. LTJ Bukem has remixed a single from that album. You may like Bukem's stuff generally as he shares the same kind of cultural sensibilities, with that jazz/tech/house hybrid. Bukem is working on a remix album of Journey Inwards with some of his own heroes - though no names are being given out, my guess is that artists from Detroit, Chicago and the jazz world will be involved in that. He is also launching a new deep house label Deep Rooted, so maybe look out for those issues. I think it will be interesting. Also Dave Angel's roots are heavily steeped in jazz, so maybe his artist albums. I know his next one was gonna feature live musicians but I haven't heard anything more about this. Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live instrumentation and and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare groove' listening side... Two notable pieces are Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? Thanks Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Groovetech/BetaLounge
No, but I can't get into Beta Lounge for two days now. I NEED to record the Isolee set for my upcoming trip! Anyone else having problems with Beta Lounge? MEK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Groovetech site Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:06:12 -0400 Anyone else having difficulty with accessing the site this morning? I'm getting a 'cannot find server' page. -dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Groovetech/BetaLounge
yeah... i've been trying to get in all morning! -Original Message- From: M Elliot-Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Groovetech/BetaLounge No, but I can't get into Beta Lounge for two days now. I NEED to record the Isolee set for my upcoming trip! Anyone else having problems with Beta Lounge? MEK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Groovetech site Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:06:12 -0400 Anyone else having difficulty with accessing the site this morning? I'm getting a 'cannot find server' page. -dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I totally agree! computers are totally ruinging electronic music! I mean, where's the TALENT in pushing some buttons, or twisting a knob? whatever happened to what a few guys, ONLY IN DETROIT, did 12 years ago, like PLAY THE DRUMS, or LEARN THE GUITAR? the funny thing about this statement is that most of the innovators from this time period in Detroit and Chicago that still have any musical standing today were playing traditional instruments before they started making dance music. It is funny that no matter how much technology we get, you still cannot get around the fact that you have to write good music. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Gettin' Wiggy Wit' It
Quoting Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Weird is Green Velvet's middle name, well, actually it's Alan, but ya know what I mean. ;) He is calling it techno punk. 'techno punk' wow that's a revivalist term I haven't heard since The Prodigy, Atari Teenage Riots and the movie 'Hackers'. He's already been there, his schtick is running thin. There are a lot of retro sounds in there which I kinda like. That makes two. Felix Da Housecat beat him to it with 'Silver Screen Shower Scene'. But then again everyone's been slamming the Germans for producing 80's inspired glam-tech for ever (Internation Gigolo DJ's anyone?) that is until now. La La Land is boring, to me it is the techno equivalent of D12's 'Purple Pills', another scholock production sensationalizing drug use. I can't comment about the production because I would probably really like the track if he droned on about something other than drugs. There's gotta be a million interesting stories to tell out there, that involve drugs (ie. Noosa Heads 'Mushrooms', Green Velvet 'Flash'). La La Land isn't one of them. Though I'm sure Mr. Velvet could tell us a fair number. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] techno/jazz --- jazz/techno
get also : v/a ''check one - compiled and mixed by kirk degiorgio'' (xtreme) and maybe some of these : gregory fleckner quintet ''monkey boots'' (clear) stasis ''from the old to the new'' (peacefrog) max brennan ''alien to whom'' (sublime) transporter and conjoint projects on source records from germany uriel ''under compulsion'' (beau monde) can someone recommend me some albums by jazz musicians that are in the jazz/techno vein, something that influenced kirk, craig, ian o'brien, stacy thanks bye, robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] fuel to the fire : was hawtin hawtin everywhere
I have to agree with you. It seems whenever a new technology is introduced, the status quo immediately feels threatened by it and does everything in its power to slag it--methodically. The funny part is that usually the bigger the stir about something new, the more you can count on it becoming an accepted new medium for creation. It happens in both the audio and visual arts. A simple example would be the camera. When the camera first came around the painters of the world united and screamed Blashpemy! That 'device' is doing all the work! All they do is press the button and the image is recorded!... Now how many people on this list believe that the camera does all of the work in the creative process of photography? Those painters were fools... Back to recent modern times. How many people here use drum machines? How many of our favorite songs use drum machines? Would our music not exist without the drum machine? But when they were first developed the 'real' musicians, who had been doing it 'the correct way' since 'back in the day' screamed Blashpemy! That 'device' is doing all the work! Just press the button and the beats just come pouring out of it! Where is the creativity in that? Is it the device, or what you do with it? Next on the electronic musical timeline: The Sampler. Oh no! Here is a piece of equipment that all you do is press record, and it allows you to replay whatever it was that you recorded, spread out across your keyboard-- including other people's music. Hell, you don't even have to program beats anymore. In fact, even the users of the drum machine, who's rhythm devices had just recently gained acceptance as a justified creative musical instrument were screaming, Blashpemy! That 'device' is doing all the work! Just press that button and it plays back whatever they recorded from somewhere else! Now, eventually everyone realized that while the P.Diddy's chose to capitalize on the misuse of the technology, the majority of sampler users were keeping it real, and expanding their creative realm the old fashioned way, through inspiration. Except, maybe by now it was 10% inspiration to 90% perspiration, compared to the old 1%-- terrible odds huh? After the sampler what happened? A sh|tload of PC's started appearing in everyone's home and software based music creation avenues soon followed. You could get a program that did almost anything, simulated analog keyboards, simulated digital keyboards, simulated drum machines, and *gasp* samplers even. This wave is very recent over the past few years, but do you think it was a smooth evolution? Absolutely not. Who screamed the loudest? Come on, fill in the blank right here ___. That's right, the owners of the samplers and drum machines. After all, they had just invested all their hard-earned money-- thousands and thousands of dollars-- into their gear, and now any kid with a home computer could jump on hotline and have a complete musical studio set up inside their PC within hours? They had just recently --finally-- been recognized as the true innovators and then the next wave comes along and threatens their livelihood. Blashpemy! That 'device' is doing all the work! Just press that button and the computer writes the entire arrangement from start to finish! Where is the creative process in that!? This is a cycle that will never end. It is human nature. The irony here is that this music was inspired by technology-- in fact, they called it Techno, and for a reason-- yet, when a new technology is developed to further the music, the former Techno 'pioneers' seem to be the first to try and hold it back, but not
Re: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
It's not just you. The excessive use of caps was a hint, but signing off as Mills gave it away. Kevin --- Fixer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it just me, or does it seem everyone who responded to Chris missed the seemingly obvious sarcasm in his post? I totally agree! computers are totally ruinging electronic music! I mean, where's the TALENT in pushing some buttons, or twisting a knob? whatever happened to what a few guys, ONLY IN DETROIT, did 12 years ago, like PLAY THE DRUMS, or LEARN THE GUITAR? -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] techno/jazz
Monday, October 22, 2001, 7:37:50 AM, a knob was tweaked and out came: MRC Two notable pieces are MRC Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and MRC Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra MRC Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? You might want to check out some records on Eviron . . . Daniel Wang, Metro Area, et cetera. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
is it just me, or does it seem everyone who responded to Chris missed the seemingly obvious sarcasm in his post? I totally agree! computers are totally ruinging electronic music! I mean, where's the TALENT in pushing some buttons, or twisting a knob? whatever happened to what a few guys, ONLY IN DETROIT, did 12 years ago, like PLAY THE DRUMS, or LEARN THE GUITAR? -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
haha. the dual identity of this thread is now OVER ! -Original Message- From: Fixer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:10 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere is it just me, or does it seem everyone who responded to Chris missed the seemingly obvious sarcasm in his post? I totally agree! computers are totally ruinging electronic music! I mean, where's the TALENT in pushing some buttons, or twisting a knob? whatever happened to what a few guys, ONLY IN DETROIT, did 12 years ago, like PLAY THE DRUMS, or LEARN THE GUITAR? -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz --- jazz/techno
howdee. ornette coleman-the shape of jazz to come. eric dolphy-out to lunch. most of the stuff that was out on blue note in the years 1960-1966 were fab! pharoe sanders-all his stuff. charles mingus-mingus X5 , all the stuff he got on the candid label. Lonnie Liston Smith- idon`t recall the album name -but it was sampled like hell. herbie hancock- sextant- a ground breaking album!!! innovative with electronic geer. if u want some more just ask. y -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:59 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] techno/jazz --- jazz/techno get also : v/a ''check one - compiled and mixed by kirk degiorgio'' (xtreme) and maybe some of these : gregory fleckner quintet ''monkey boots'' (clear) stasis ''from the old to the new'' (peacefrog) max brennan ''alien to whom'' (sublime) transporter and conjoint projects on source records from germany uriel ''under compulsion'' (beau monde) can someone recommend me some albums by jazz musicians that are in the jazz/techno vein, something that influenced kirk, craig, ian o'brien, stacy thanks bye, robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] 313] TITONTON FABRICE LIG 12
it was quite sure that Lig and titonton will deliver the goods on the 7th city. also worth cheking are : john tejada-timebomb-7th city. john tejada`s remix in sheep 025 also is fine. STARBABY 004- is a good one too. y - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually it was spelt tekno punk in Jockey Slut. That may make a difference. Funny you should mention Felix! Those albums pretty much would have been recorded at the same time. I am not sure if La La Land is actually sensationalising drug use, it's much more ambiguous, to my ears. It mixes well with Purple Pills though. 'techno punk' wow that's a revivalist term I haven't heard since The Prodigy, Atari Teenage Riots and the movie 'Hackers'. He's already been there, his schtick is running thin. There are a lot of retro sounds in there which I kinda like. That makes two. Felix Da Housecat beat him to it with 'Silver Screen Shower Scene'. But then again everyone's been slamming the Germans for producing 80's inspired glam-tech for ever (Internation Gigolo DJ's anyone?) that is until now. La La Land is boring, to me it is the techno equivalent of D12's 'Purple Pills', another scholock production sensationalizing drug use. I can't comment about the production because I would probably really like the track if he droned on about something other than drugs. There's gotta be a million interesting stories to tell out there, that involve drugs (ie. Noosa Heads 'Mushrooms', Green Velvet 'Flash'). La La Land isn't one of them. Though I'm sure Mr. Velvet could tell us a fair number. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: [313] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] everywhere
- Original Message - From: Berislav [EMAIL PROTECTED] but please guitar, drums, what is next...banjo. sorry already been done kent williams samples a banjo in one of his tunes. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz
wow i am so bored at work gonna try add some more techno jazz things. *nu era-broken techno ep-archive (made by marc mac from 4 hero) one of the best tunes for me. *nubian mindz-forgotten parts-archive (great stuff too). *i.o. (patrick pulsinger)-libre(i think its the name since i am at work not home) - mo`wax EXcurSION great remixes from mark broom,stasis but the record is a bit defunked. *DOMU DRESSED -TO ILL/SNAKE EYES- 2000 black- great jazz from dego`s label. *PAUL,DANIEL -REGULUS-mermaid- from sonar kollektiv (not so much techno but worth it!). *daniel wang- environ 13- very fine tune. *morgan geist-the new metamorphic- worth cheking too. Y. -Original Message- From: M Elliot-Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:57 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] techno/jazz Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late... Ian O'Brien Desert Scores (Peacefrog) Kirk Degiorgio presents As One - Contours/Another Revolution (Ubiquity) check the Stacy Pullen mix Kirk Degiorgio presents As One - Nairobi (Ubuiquity) Carl Graig mix Check out just about anything on Compost records as well You might also enjoy Flanger. MEK From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] techno/jazz Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:25:16 +1000 I think you would enjoy the Herbie Hancock album which I haven't heard of yet but everyone seems enamoured with. LTJ Bukem has remixed a single from that album. You may like Bukem's stuff generally as he shares the same kind of cultural sensibilities, with that jazz/tech/house hybrid. Bukem is working on a remix album of Journey Inwards with some of his own heroes - though no names are being given out, my guess is that artists from Detroit, Chicago and the jazz world will be involved in that. He is also launching a new deep house label Deep Rooted, so maybe look out for those issues. I think it will be interesting. Also Dave Angel's roots are heavily steeped in jazz, so maybe his artist albums. I know his next one was gonna feature live musicians but I haven't heard anything more about this. Im wanting to hear more jazz infused techno as of late...mixing live instrumentation and and techno machine driven patterns and effects. Maybe is appeals to my 'rare groove' listening side... Two notable pieces are Today is the Tommorow - Stacey Pullen and Programmed - Innerzone Orchestra Both these have heavy techno influences...can anyone point me the direction of similar materail in techno ? Thanks Rav - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] fuel to the fire : was hawtin hawtin everywhere
|do you really think the people that |embrace the new tools, are simply trying to recreate |what the people with the old tools were doing 12, to |20 years ago? Absolutely not. If that were the |case, just go buy a drum set, or learn to play the |guitar, or even buy an 808 or 909 drum machine... |A 303 perhaps? I think the majority *are* trying to recreate something, particularly where electronic music is concerned. Why buy that 808/303/etc. when there's Rebirth/Reaktor/Reason? Analog Modeling Synths? Emulators for everything? You're right about people resisting new technologies, but I think it's largely a reaction to how these new technologies are perceived. In each case I think the hype reaches a point where a new innovation is elevated beyond the status of cool new instrument, to *a replacement for some other instrument*. In each case that other instrument is irreplaceable. If you want to create *original* trap-set breakbeats the only thing *to* do is learn to play drums; a drum machine or sampler just isn't the same. But, ( this is important, thanks for bearing with me) the flipside to this is that a drum machine and sampler can do things no live drummer could manage. So, yeah; let's see what these new toys can do, progress is great, but in our enthusiasm we shouldn't disrespect people by suggesting that they are somehow rendered obsolete in the process. We've only come this far by following in their footsteps... __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] techno/jazz --- jazz/techno
Lonnie Liston Smith- idon`t recall the album name -but it was sampled like hell. was it spinning wheel? bye rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] techno/jazz --- jazz/techno
its -Expansions- one hell of a record. y -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:50 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] techno/jazz --- jazz/techno Lonnie Liston Smith- idon`t recall the album name -but it was sampled like hell. was it spinning wheel? bye rob - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
