Re: (313) plink plonk

2003-01-21 Thread Mark S . Krüx
And I've been after Stacey's:  Kosmic Messenger - Flash - Plink Plonk [PLK
26] forever

*Sigh*

m*
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From: Max Duley / ARCart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: (313) plink plonk


 yeah, as has been said it's Mr C's label.

 I've been after the Kenny Larkin remix of L.A. Synthesis' Agoraphobia on
 Plink Plonk for years



 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:36:41 -0600
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 From: ryan burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: plink plonk
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 who owns the lable plink plonk?
 any one have any coments on

 Underground Science Reflected  with the kenny larkin rmx.
 or the stacey pullen 12.  its under a different name though





Re: (313) Detroit Historical Exhibit

2003-01-21 Thread Roberto Ty
A traveling exhibit would be good, but they need a lot more input and
sponsorship. I don't know who they solicited goods from, but I would think
that perhaps opening it to more of the techno community could produce more
materials. Or it could pose more problems I suppose.


on 01/20/03 08:52 AM, Dave Pinter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From what I gathered from folks at the Roostertail fundraiser the exhibition
 is a work in progress. They hope to add more to it as more money and potential
 corporate sponsorship are secured. Didn't get to see the exhibit myself but
 the talk of sending it on the road is serious.
 
 -dave



Re: (313) Detroit Historical Exhibit

2003-01-21 Thread Roberto Ty
4th graders are smarter than that. I understand to simplify, but if a 12yr
old can be a DMC champion then I'm sure they'd get what was going on. Or do
what a lot of exhibits do, have a youth explanation in addition to a more
mature explanation.

on 01/20/03 12:03 PM, webmaster at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you guys seem to be forgetting that this exhibit was made so that  fourth
 graders  could understand it...
 the couldn't get too deep on them...
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 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:21 PM
 Subject: (313) Detroit Historical Exhibit
 
 
 So, regarding the Techno: Detroit's Gift to the World... what did
 everybody
 think?
 
 Seemed to be missing a ton of stuff... photographs? music to listen to? an
 actual explanation of how a DJ plays? examination of club culture? Motor?
 
 what say you all?
 
 
 
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RE: (313) plink plonk

2003-01-21 Thread Chau, Dang
its also on a compilation called Innovators Future Techno on Breakdown 
Records (http://www.discogs.com/release/31649) from a few years back. not sure 
if this may be easier to pick up?

cheers
Dang

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From: Max Duley / ARCart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 10:49 
To: 313
Subject: Re: (313) plink plonk


yeah, as has been said it's Mr C's label.

I've been after the Kenny Larkin remix of L.A. Synthesis' Agoraphobia on
Plink Plonk for years



Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:36:41 -0600
To: 313@hyperreal.org
From: ryan burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: plink plonk
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

who owns the lable plink plonk?
any one have any coments on

Underground Science Reflected  with the kenny larkin rmx.
or the stacey pullen 12.  its under a different name though



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Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger

2003-01-21 Thread Collin Chen
HI all,

Happy new year one and all Hope 2003 will be a better year for quality
techno!

 And I've been after Stacey's:  Kosmic Messenger - Flash - Plink Plonk [PLK
 26] forever

oo-- I thought the Kosmic Messenger singles on Plink Plonk was compiled on
the Elypsia Record Kosmic Messenger double album. I hope my memory serves me
right as i am getting old.

Your techno friend in Singapore,

Collin



Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger

2003-01-21 Thread Mark S . Krüx
 oo-- I thought the Kosmic Messenger singles on Plink Plonk was compiled
on
 the Elypsia Record Kosmic Messenger double album. I hope my memory serves
me
 right as i am getting old.

True enough...but that one hasn't been any easier to find;)

Peace,

m*

PS - Plink Plonk keeps saying they're going to re-release their back
catalogue...do it already damn it!



Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger

2003-01-21 Thread O.L. From The Basement
Yes, almost all of the singles; i.e. Eye To Eye, Flash, and Death
March, are included on the Elypsia 2x12. The only one missing is Sea 2
Sea (Mr. C Remix), which just might be a variation of Eye 2 Eye.
Elypsia was a super label. It is too bad it is no more. Scan 7's next album,
Vanishing Act, was suppose to have come out on Elypsia.

O.L.
- Original Message -
From: Collin Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mark S. Krüx [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger


 HI all,

 Happy new year one and all Hope 2003 will be a better year for quality
 techno!

  And I've been after Stacey's:  Kosmic Messenger - Flash - Plink Plonk
[PLK
  26] forever

 oo-- I thought the Kosmic Messenger singles on Plink Plonk was compiled
on
 the Elypsia Record Kosmic Messenger double album. I hope my memory serves
me
 right as i am getting old.

 Your techno friend in Singapore,

 Collin





(313) LA Synthesis Agarophobia (Kenny Larkin Rmx)

2003-01-21 Thread O.L. From The Basement
I deleted my e-mail too fast. Whoever was looking for this record, I think I
know where you can get a copy. Please e-mail me privately.

O.L.




(313) Richie Knows Marketing

2003-01-21 Thread Daryl Walsh

Richie Hawtin 'What's on Your iPod?' 
p. 50, Wired February 2003

[1] Akufen / Even White Horizons
[2] Nitzer Ebb / Murdereous
[3] Blonde Redhead / For the Damaged Mother
[4] Derrick May / Kaotic Harmony
[5] Rhythm  Sound / Distance 
[6] Erik Satie / Gnossiennes No. 1
[7] Carsten Jost / You Don't Need A Weatherman (Remix)
[8] Matthew Johnson / It Is What It Is 007
[9] Pantytec / Valentine
[10] Plastikman / Consumed





(313) 3 Chairs manager

2003-01-21 Thread Jesper Kling
Hello

I wonder if anyone knows who handles Kenny Dixon jr and Theo Parrish
bookings these days. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks

Jesper



Re: (313) Iridite

2003-01-21 Thread Jason Brunton
Hi there,
really glad you like the stuff- copies should be filtering their way
into shops about now in the Uk and mainland Europe- try
www.rubadub-records.com or www.courthouse.nl.  Anyone else having problems
should drop me a line and I'll see if there's anything I can do


Cheers

Jason Brunton
Iridite



 Yep you're rightno.3 is the best one yet..
 
 Got iridite 1  2  and think they are damn fine...
 
 Is 3 as good 
 
 Yep, I think it's the best one yet...
 
 is there a 4
 
 Not yet - see http://www.iridite.com for more info...
 
 Cheers,
 
 Tom
 
 



Re: (313) japanese electronic artists - nobukazu takemura

2003-01-21 Thread Jason Hogans
 i know that i'm crazy late, haven't checked my list mail in a few days:
nobukazu takemura. i love him. sorry if someone mentioned him already. throw
his name in google. he's got a tune, i believe its called sign, some ol'
double time-1/2 time-timbaland 3003-vocoded insanity. i first heard it
during his set @ demf 2001  it cracked my head. he does some ambient stuff,
some glitchy stuff... pretty diverse. here's a nice  busy (yet mellow?)
tune of his called cogwheel. peep.

http://www.thrilljockey.com/NobukazuTakemura-Cogwheel.mp3

tschuss!
:brownstudy





(313) Daphne Ophram, unsung pioneer

2003-01-21 Thread Brendan Nelson
Odd to think that an old English granny can be termed an unsung pioneer
of techno - but when you look at the life of the person who proposed
the creation of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop, and who did so much to
popularise electronic music since the 1960s (she wrote the theme song
for Dr Who, among other things), you can start to understand why...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2669735.stm

Brendan


RE: (313) Daphne Ophram, unsung pioneer

2003-01-21 Thread Robert Taylor
It was actually another old English granny who wrote Dr Who - Delia
Derbyshire.
I can't quite imagine these old ladies sitting around in tweed, twinsets and
pearls twiddling knobs and making strange noises, but it's an endearing
image.

-Original Message-
From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:17 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Daphne Ophram, unsung pioneer


Odd to think that an old English granny can be termed an unsung pioneer
of techno - but when you look at the life of the person who proposed
the creation of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop, and who did so much to
popularise electronic music since the 1960s (she wrote the theme song
for Dr Who, among other things), you can start to understand why...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2669735.stm

Brendan


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Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger

2003-01-21 Thread techno
I sold the Parasols coompilation, didnt really care for most of the stuff.
Perhaps Ksomic Messenger sounds a lot better on vynil.

I never cared much for the Shamen either.
Like all that bad early 90's UK dance/ rave msuic made for the UK Top 40
charts.



Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger

2003-01-21 Thread Alex Bates
Like bizarre inc?!

Their stuff is cool

ab


- Original Message -
From: techno [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger


 I sold the Parasols coompilation, didnt really care for most of the stuff.
 Perhaps Ksomic Messenger sounds a lot better on vynil.

 I never cared much for the Shamen either.
 Like all that bad early 90's UK dance/ rave msuic made for the UK Top 40
 charts.





Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger

2003-01-21 Thread P dircon
If anyones got their  technological  mini lp on blue chip...  There are some
seriously detroit influenced techno on there.. One of my favorite ep's  in
fact..

Quite unbelievable how they ended up as  altern 8

 Like bizarre inc?!
 
 Their stuff is cool
 
 ab
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: techno [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:03 PM
 Subject: Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger
 
 
 I sold the Parasols coompilation, didnt really care for most of the stuff.
 Perhaps Ksomic Messenger sounds a lot better on vynil.
 
 I never cared much for the Shamen either.
 Like all that bad early 90's UK dance/ rave msuic made for the UK Top 40
 charts.
 
 
 



RE: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger

2003-01-21 Thread Robert Taylor
Bizarre Inc are not Altern8.
Nexus 21 are Altern8's alter ego - they had some great Detroit -influenced
trax on Network
Bizarre Inc were from Essex and Altern9 were from Stafford.
Bizarre Inc are still producing as Chicken Lips methinks.
-Original Message-
From: P dircon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:57 PM
To: Alex Bates; 313 list
Subject: Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger


If anyones got their  technological  mini lp on blue chip...  There are some
seriously detroit influenced techno on there.. One of my favorite ep's  in
fact..

Quite unbelievable how they ended up as  altern 8

 Like bizarre inc?!
 
 Their stuff is cool
 
 ab
 
 
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 From: techno [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:03 PM
 Subject: Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger
 
 
 I sold the Parasols coompilation, didnt really care for most of the
stuff.
 Perhaps Ksomic Messenger sounds a lot better on vynil.
 
 I never cared much for the Shamen either.
 Like all that bad early 90's UK dance/ rave msuic made for the UK Top 40
 charts.
 
 
 


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RE: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger

2003-01-21 Thread Jongsma, K.J.


 I never cared much for the Shamen either.

I always liked Boss Drum from The Shamen a lot. I think i prefer The Shamen
above most of the stuff Mr. C. produced alone. Oh and Richie Hatwin's the
South of Detroit Instrumental mix of Ebeneezer Goode... yummie! banging
acid, not really a remix at all, more like a new track but it is great
anyway!


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(313) KOSMIK MESSENGER (was:RE: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread Wibo Lammerts

Hi all,

speaking of Kosmic Messenger... Did that track Concrete, that was part of
one those Trance Atlantic/Europe Express Compilations, ever got a full
release?

Thanx

W


RE: (313) KOSMIK MESSENGER (was:RE: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread Odeluga, Ken
Even more - what are the chances nowadays of picking up the Kosmic Messenger
LP (1995?, '96) nowadays? I saw it at least once ... snoozed, losed (sic).

-Original Message-
From: Wibo Lammerts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:27 PM
To: '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: (313) KOSMIK MESSENGER (was:RE: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic
Messenger)



Hi all,

speaking of Kosmic Messenger... Did that track Concrete, that was part of
one those Trance Atlantic/Europe Express Compilations, ever got a full
release?

Thanx

W



RE: (313) Daphne Ophram, unsung pioneer

2003-01-21 Thread iancheshire
I can't quite imagine these old ladies sitting around in tweed, twinsets 
andpearls twiddling knobs and making strange noises, but it's an endearing 
image. 

ermm depends on the image you create their Rob:)

S
-Original Message-
From:   Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   21 January 2003 12:24
To: 'Brendan Nelson' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org 
313@hyperreal.org
Subject:RE: (313) Daphne Ophram, unsung pioneer

It was actually another old English granny who wrote Dr Who - Delia
Derbyshire.
I can't quite imagine these old ladies sitting around in tweed, twinsets and
pearls twiddling knobs and making strange noises, but it's an endearing
image.

-Original Message-
From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:17 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Daphne Ophram, unsung pioneer


Odd to think that an old English granny can be termed an unsung pioneer
of techno - but when you look at the life of the person who proposed
the creation of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop, and who did so much to
popularise electronic music since the 1960s (she wrote the theme song
for Dr Who, among other things), you can start to understand why...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2669735.stm

Brendan


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Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger

2003-01-21 Thread P dircon
Bizarre inc were originally  dean meredith  and Mark Archer and
Gareth Hunting

Personality conflicts between  Meredith and Archer led to that group
fizzling out, with Archer going on to form the successful Altern 8

P


 Bizarre Inc are not Altern8.
 Nexus 21 are Altern8's alter ego - they had some great Detroit -influenced
 trax on Network
 Bizarre Inc were from Essex and Altern9 were from Stafford.
 Bizarre Inc are still producing as Chicken Lips methinks.
 -Original Message-
 From: P dircon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:57 PM
 To: Alex Bates; 313 list
 Subject: Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger
 
 
 If anyones got their  technological  mini lp on blue chip...  There are some
 seriously detroit influenced techno on there.. One of my favorite ep's  in
 fact..
 
 Quite unbelievable how they ended up as  altern 8
 
 Like bizarre inc?!
 
 Their stuff is cool
 
 ab
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: techno [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 313 Mailing List 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:03 PM
 Subject: Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger
 
 
 I sold the Parasols coompilation, didnt really care for most of the
 stuff.
 Perhaps Ksomic Messenger sounds a lot better on vynil.
 
 I never cared much for the Shamen either.
 Like all that bad early 90's UK dance/ rave msuic made for the UK Top 40
 charts.
 
 
 
 
 
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(313) Octave One at fabric

2003-01-21 Thread Tom Robbins/Magic Feet
I just got a mail through announcing that Octave One will play live in the
main room at fabric, London on Sat 1st Feb from 2-3am. Apparently they have
a new album called 'The Theory Of Everything' coming up and will be
previewing material from it on the night. Also, Fabric have Francois K (6hrs
set), The Youngsters live and 313's own Fabrice Lig this Saturday, I think.
I went to the club for the first time (!) on Friday and was very impressed:
great sound system and a really good space. I know some people on the list
aren't that keen on the place but I can imagine Octave One will go right off
there.

TOM



Re: (313) japanese electronic artists - nobukazu takemura

2003-01-21 Thread Data General
did anyone mention kaito yet?


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Jason Hogans wrote:

  i know that i'm crazy late, haven't checked my list mail in a few days:
 nobukazu takemura. i love him. sorry if someone mentioned him already. throw
 his name in google. he's got a tune, i believe its called sign, some ol'
 double time-1/2 time-timbaland 3003-vocoded insanity. i first heard it
 during his set @ demf 2001  it cracked my head. he does some ambient stuff,
 some glitchy stuff... pretty diverse. here's a nice  busy (yet mellow?)
 tune of his called cogwheel. peep.

 http://www.thrilljockey.com/NobukazuTakemura-Cogwheel.mp3

 tschuss!
 :brownstudy







RE: (313) Octave One at fabric

2003-01-21 Thread Robert Taylor
Pullen is also playing on the night.
There will definitely be some 313 peeps down on both nights.
People aren't keen on the place because of the crowd rather than the club
itself.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 3:03 PM
To: 313 mailing list
Subject: (313) Octave One at fabric


I just got a mail through announcing that Octave One will play live in the
main room at fabric, London on Sat 1st Feb from 2-3am. Apparently they have
a new album called 'The Theory Of Everything' coming up and will be
previewing material from it on the night. Also, Fabric have Francois K (6hrs
set), The Youngsters live and 313's own Fabrice Lig this Saturday, I think.
I went to the club for the first time (!) on Friday and was very impressed:
great sound system and a really good space. I know some people on the list
aren't that keen on the place but I can imagine Octave One will go right off
there.

TOM


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(313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread stewart
 Bizarre inc were originally  dean meredith  and Mark Archer and
 Gareth Hunting
 
 Personality conflicts between  Meredith and Archer led to that group
 fizzling out, with Archer going on to form the successful Altern 8

Who of course was also one half of Nexus 21 along with Chris Peat, one of the 
purest Detroit Techno outfits outside of Detroit in the late eighties/early 
nineties. Who remembers Still Life(keeps Moving) or thier Progressive Logic EP? 
They also released an LP on Network that I've never been able to track down. In 
fact now that I think about it I seem to remember seeing Anthony Shakir 
creditied on my copy of Progressive Logic. Who would have thought they would 
end up wearing boiler suits and face masks with big 8s on thier chest?

Although does anyone remeber the very first Altern 8 ep on Network?? It had 8 
tracks with names like 'techno city' and was really good, deep minimal bleepy 
UK techno.

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Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread P dircon
Yeah  I got that it was silver I think...'overload'

Move my body  was my favorite.. It had that 'log' noise in it which I
loved...

I got the nexus 21 stuff  but don't remember an lp on network  there was
only the remixes of sti life  iirc

p

 Bizarre inc were originally  dean meredith  and Mark Archer and
 Gareth Hunting
 
 Personality conflicts between  Meredith and Archer led to that group
 fizzling out, with Archer going on to form the successful Altern 8
 
 Who of course was also one half of Nexus 21 along with Chris Peat, one of the
 purest Detroit Techno outfits outside of Detroit in the late eighties/early
 nineties. Who remembers Still Life(keeps Moving) or thier Progressive Logic
 EP? They also released an LP on Network that I've never been able to track
 down. In fact now that I think about it I seem to remember seeing Anthony
 Shakir creditied on my copy of Progressive Logic. Who would have thought they
 would end up wearing boiler suits and face masks with big 8s on thier chest?
 
 Although does anyone remeber the very first Altern 8 ep on Network?? It had 8
 tracks with names like 'techno city' and was really good, deep minimal bleepy
 UK techno.
 
 Stewart
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread Sakari Karipuro
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 21 Jan 2003 about following:

 Who of course was also one half of Nexus 21 along with Chris Peat,  
 one of the purest Detroit Techno outfits outside of Detroit in the 
 late eighties/early nineties. Who remembers Still Life(keeps Moving) 

thats one really nice track!

 Although does anyone remeber the very first Altern 8 ep on Network?? 
 It had 8 tracks with names like 'techno city' and was really good, 

i've been trying to find it for years, but i have not been able to find 
it from local second hand stores or such; it's the only a8 release 
i don't have :)

sakke
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http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html


Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread alex . bond

Although does anyone remeber the very first Altern 8 ep on Network?? It
had 8 tracks with names like 'techno city' and was really good, deep
minimal bleepy UK techno.

Yeah, I do. and I thought it was great at the time too. They were from
Stoke On Trent weren't they? I think at least one of them is still
there..

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Re: (313) 3 Chairs manager

2003-01-21 Thread jurren baars


From: Jesper Kling

I wonder if anyone knows who handles Kenny Dixon jr and Theo Parrish
bookings these days. Any help is appreciated.


that's yin sight media.
go to http://www.3chairs.net and click 'contact information'

though yin sight was run by the late laura gavoor if i'm not mistaken, so 
things might have changed.


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Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread Gerald
There was a 12 on RS also with Logical Progression, and Techno City on
the b-side.

G

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Bizarre inc were originally  dean meredith  and Mark Archer and
  Gareth Hunting
 
  Personality conflicts between  Meredith and Archer led to that group
  fizzling out, with Archer going on to form the successful Altern 8
 
 Who of course was also one half of Nexus 21 along with Chris Peat, one of the 
 purest Detroit Techno outfits outside of Detroit in the late eighties/early 
 nineties. Who remembers Still Life(keeps Moving) or thier Progressive Logic 
 EP? They also released an LP on Network that I've never been able to track 
 down. In fact now that I think about it I seem to remember seeing Anthony 
 Shakir creditied on my copy of Progressive Logic. Who would have thought they 
 would end up wearing boiler suits and face masks with big 8s on thier chest?
 
 Although does anyone remeber the very first Altern 8 ep on Network?? It had 8 
 tracks with names like 'techno city' and was really good, deep minimal bleepy 
 UK techno.
 
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Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread P dircon
Oh yeah  there was a 3 track ep  with  self hypnosis  (mr whippy
mix...always made me smile)  and a promo 12 with the original version of
self hypnosis..which is a massive tune  fierce bassline

 There was a 12 on RS also with Logical Progression, and Techno City on
 the b-side.
 
 G
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Bizarre inc were originally  dean meredith  and Mark Archer and
 Gareth Hunting
 
 Personality conflicts between  Meredith and Archer led to that group
 fizzling out, with Archer going on to form the successful Altern 8
 
 Who of course was also one half of Nexus 21 along with Chris Peat, one of the
 purest Detroit Techno outfits outside of Detroit in the late eighties/early
 nineties. Who remembers Still Life(keeps Moving) or thier Progressive Logic
 EP? They also released an LP on Network that I've never been able to track
 down. In fact now that I think about it I seem to remember seeing Anthony
 Shakir creditied on my copy of Progressive Logic. Who would have thought they
 would end up wearing boiler suits and face masks with big 8s on thier chest?
 
 Although does anyone remeber the very first Altern 8 ep on Network?? It had 8
 tracks with names like 'techno city' and was really good, deep minimal bleepy
 UK techno.
 
 Stewart
 
 
 
 
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Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread stewart
Oh yeah  there was a 3 track ep  with  self hypnosis  (mr whippy mix...always 
made me smile)  and a promo 12 with the original version of self 
hypnosis..which is a massive tune  fierce bassline

Thats the 12 I have. Its also got the track 'Real Love' that sounds like 
Rhythim is Rhythim but with a female vocal over it. Does anybody know if Peat 
and Archer ever went back to producing techno after Altern 8?? What are they 
doing now?

Stewart


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RE: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread Robert Taylor
One of them (I can't remember which) did that hiphouse imitation Slo
Moshun's Bell Of New York (if I remember correctly - it was distributed in
the UK shrinkwrapped and complete with import stickers, along with a
misleading press release to hoodwink the UK press into thinking it was from
NJ), but that was several years ago.
I read recently that Altern8 are still touring at Back To The Old
Skool-type gatherings, still clad in masks and anoraks.

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Subject: Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)


Oh yeah  there was a 3 track ep  with  self hypnosis  (mr whippy
mix...always made me smile)  and a promo 12 with the original version of
self hypnosis..which is a massive tune  fierce bassline

Thats the 12 I have. Its also got the track 'Real Love' that sounds like
Rhythim is Rhythim but with a female vocal over it. Does anybody know if
Peat and Archer ever went back to producing techno after Altern 8?? What are
they doing now?

Stewart


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RE: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread Brendan Nelson
Are you sure that Slo Moshun record wasn't by Ashley Beedle? (I'm trying
to regain the trainspotter-points I lost to you over Dr Who :)

It's an odd coincidence - I was browsing a US record shop's catalogue
today, and they had that record listed as a US release. The scam has yet
to wear off, apparently!

Brendan

| -Original Message-
| From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 21 January 2003 17:03
| To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: RE: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)
| 
| 
| One of them (I can't remember which) did that hiphouse imitation Slo
| Moshun's Bell Of New York (if I remember correctly - it was 
| distributed in
| the UK shrinkwrapped and complete with import stickers, along with a
| misleading press release to hoodwink the UK press into 
| thinking it was from
| NJ), but that was several years ago.
| I read recently that Altern8 are still touring at Back To The Old
| Skool-type gatherings, still clad in masks and anoraks.
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:57 PM
| To: 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)
| 
| 
| Oh yeah  there was a 3 track ep  with  self hypnosis  (mr whippy
| mix...always made me smile)  and a promo 12 with the 
| original version of
| self hypnosis..which is a massive tune  fierce bassline
| 
| Thats the 12 I have. Its also got the track 'Real Love' that 
| sounds like
| Rhythim is Rhythim but with a female vocal over it. Does 
| anybody know if
| Peat and Archer ever went back to producing techno after 
| Altern 8?? What are
| they doing now?
| 
| Stewart
| 
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RE: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread Robert Taylor
Just had a quick look on the Net via Google and it was Mark Archer and Danny
Taurus - maybe Beedle remixed it?
Altern8 were also involved with CM Connection on Network (what a label,
eh?): 
http://music.hyperreal.org/library/discogs/altern8/

-Original Message-
From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:03 PM
To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)


Are you sure that Slo Moshun record wasn't by Ashley Beedle? (I'm trying
to regain the trainspotter-points I lost to you over Dr Who :)

It's an odd coincidence - I was browsing a US record shop's catalogue
today, and they had that record listed as a US release. The scam has yet
to wear off, apparently!

Brendan

| -Original Message-
| From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: 21 January 2003 17:03
| To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: RE: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)
| 
| 
| One of them (I can't remember which) did that hiphouse imitation Slo
| Moshun's Bell Of New York (if I remember correctly - it was 
| distributed in
| the UK shrinkwrapped and complete with import stickers, along with a
| misleading press release to hoodwink the UK press into 
| thinking it was from
| NJ), but that was several years ago.
| I read recently that Altern8 are still touring at Back To The Old
| Skool-type gatherings, still clad in masks and anoraks.
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:57 PM
| To: 313@hyperreal.org
| Subject: Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)
| 
| 
| Oh yeah  there was a 3 track ep  with  self hypnosis  (mr whippy
| mix...always made me smile)  and a promo 12 with the 
| original version of
| self hypnosis..which is a massive tune  fierce bassline
| 
| Thats the 12 I have. Its also got the track 'Real Love' that 
| sounds like
| Rhythim is Rhythim but with a female vocal over it. Does 
| anybody know if
| Peat and Archer ever went back to producing techno after 
| Altern 8?? What are
| they doing now?
| 
| Stewart
| 
| 
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Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread Paul Hudson
Funnily enough I actually saw them playing 'live' (standing behind big
cardboard 8's with a few dancers on stage) last summer in my home town of
Chorley (back of beyond Lancashire Market town).  Chorley never has any sort
of events of any description so it was somewhat of a surprise to see them
playing to say the least.

No new tunes, just all their old well know stuff.

ph.


 Oh yeah  there was a 3 track ep  with  self hypnosis  (mr whippy
mix...always made me smile)  and a promo 12 with the original version of
self hypnosis..which is a massive tune  fierce bassline

 Thats the 12 I have. Its also got the track 'Real Love' that sounds like
Rhythim is Rhythim but with a female vocal over it. Does anybody know if
Peat and Archer ever went back to producing techno after Altern 8?? What are
they doing now?

 Stewart


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RE: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread Robert Taylor
It wasn't at Brian Potter's Phoenix club was it? ;-)

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)


Funnily enough I actually saw them playing 'live' (standing behind big
cardboard 8's with a few dancers on stage) last summer in my home town of
Chorley (back of beyond Lancashire Market town).  Chorley never has any sort
of events of any description so it was somewhat of a surprise to see them
playing to say the least.

No new tunes, just all their old well know stuff.

ph.


 Oh yeah  there was a 3 track ep  with  self hypnosis  (mr whippy
mix...always made me smile)  and a promo 12 with the original version of
self hypnosis..which is a massive tune  fierce bassline

 Thats the 12 I have. Its also got the track 'Real Love' that sounds like
Rhythim is Rhythim but with a female vocal over it. Does anybody know if
Peat and Archer ever went back to producing techno after Altern 8?? What are
they doing now?

 Stewart


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RE: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)

2003-01-21 Thread Robert Taylor
Oops - that was supposed to be off-list - sorry

-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:24 PM
To: 'Paul Hudson'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)


It wasn't at Brian Potter's Phoenix club was it? ;-)

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Altern 8 was (plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger)


Funnily enough I actually saw them playing 'live' (standing behind big
cardboard 8's with a few dancers on stage) last summer in my home town of
Chorley (back of beyond Lancashire Market town).  Chorley never has any sort
of events of any description so it was somewhat of a surprise to see them
playing to say the least.

No new tunes, just all their old well know stuff.

ph.


 Oh yeah  there was a 3 track ep  with  self hypnosis  (mr whippy
mix...always made me smile)  and a promo 12 with the original version of
self hypnosis..which is a massive tune  fierce bassline

 Thats the 12 I have. Its also got the track 'Real Love' that sounds like
Rhythim is Rhythim but with a female vocal over it. Does anybody know if
Peat and Archer ever went back to producing techno after Altern 8?? What are
they doing now?

 Stewart


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(313) playlist WNUR Chicago - 17 January 2003

2003-01-21 Thread Matthew MacQueen
Clinically Inclined
17 January 2003
9:30pm - 12:30am CST
live stream www.wnur.org during showtime / 89.3 FM in Chicago


9:30 - 10:30pm   M. MacQueen

rhythm  sound - trace (rhythm  sound)
future beat alliance - cyberactive - disconnected (delsin)
the detroit experiment - space break - the way we make music (ropeadope)
rhianna - word love [4 hero remix] (DROW 01)
titonton duvante - curvaceous (amalgama)
genre - won (surplus)
ardvarck - troubleman (zephon's mom)
iridite productions feat. elijah - ice to go - better by design (iridite)
dennis desantis - leisure - spaces/leisure (headspace)


10:30 - 11:45pm   bleep techno!  tag team retrospective

l.f.o. - we are back (warp) '91
steve poindexter - computer madness (muzique) '89
f.u.s.e - phase 1 (plus 8) '90
neal howard - to be or not to be? (bad boy bill rmx) (future sound) '88
nightmares on wax - dextrous (warp) '89
rhythmatic - frequency (perfect beat mix) (network) '90
808 state - 80808 - utd. state 90 (tommy boy) '89
tricky disco - tricky disco - (warp) '90
nexus 21 - self hypnosis (mr whippy rmx) (network) '90
l.f.o. - nurture (warp) '91
juan atkins - techno music - techno! the new dance sound of detroit (10 
records) '88
unique 3 - the theme (10 records) '89
sweet exorcist - let you go (plastex) '91
tuff little unit - join the future (warp) '91
fade ii black - the calling (fragile) '90
shake - my name is binky (metroplex) '93
model 500 - wanderer (transmat) '90
lil louis - how i feel (dance mania) '87
db-x - bleep (accelerate) '93
heychild - heychild's theme - bio preview (network) '90
future sound of london - pulse state - accelerator (jumpin  pumpin) '92
altern 8 - objective - overload ep (network) '90
coco steel  lovebomb - feel it - (warp) '92
r-tyme - illusion - m.i. mix [mayday mix] - (transmat) '89
sweet exorcist - testone (warp) '90

11:45pm - 12:30am   Dr. Siska

matthew herbert - 5 days - other mistakes (soundslike)
isolee - raum einz (playhouse)
monojunk - a... (trope)
deepchord - 10 (deepchord)
theorem - cinder (th)
? - ? (ferrispark 7)
bango - mystical adventure (fragile)
j.m. silk - music is the key [basement key] (ram's horn) '85

---
peace


(313) audio.nl website?

2003-01-21 Thread Jason Hogans
i heard static one  liked it a lot (late again?).
the closest i came to a site is their catalog on forced exposure.
 random google blurbs.
maybe one of you knows something i don't?
you can hit me in private:
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RE: (313) Octave One at fabric

2003-01-21 Thread seth redmond

tits, and I've just spent all my money on Love tickets...




I just got a mail through announcing that Octave One will play live in the

main room at fabric,









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Re: (313) plink plonk - Ksomic Messenger

2003-01-21 Thread techno
on 1/21/03 8:17 AM, Jongsma, K.J. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh and Richie Hatwin's the
 South of Detroit Instrumental mix of Ebeneezer Goode... yummie! banging
 acid, not really a remix at all, more like a new track but it is great
 anyway!

That's the only way you can save that track.

on 1/21/03 7:17 AM, Alex Bates at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Like bizarre inc?!
 
 Their stuff is cool
 
 ab

Playing With Knives and that white label they had out in 1990 with the Go Go
Go chant is quality UK techno/ rave.
Of  course everyone from The Prodigy to Njoi had quality tracks out around
1990-1991.

on 1/21/03 7:18 AM, Brendan Nelson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you think that music like that only came from the UK?

I was talking about more pop oriented stuff like Sunscream, Opus 3.
Of course the UK is responsible for some of the worst dance music ever made.
i.e. progressive house, paul okenflod, sasha  digweed ect.. ect...



Re: (313) Altern 8

2003-01-21 Thread techno
on 1/21/03 11:03 AM, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I read recently that Altern8 are still touring at Back To The Old
 Skool-type gatherings, still clad in masks and anoraks.

Yeah their milking Altern 8 for everything it's worth.
The 'back to the oldchool' events are kinda like what you see with 80's club
nights which are still very popular, people just go to be nostalgic
and not take the music too seriously.

on 1/21/03 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Thats the 12 I have. Its also got the track 'Real Love' that sounds like
 Rhythim is Rhythim but with a female vocal over it. Does anybody know if Peat
 and Archer ever went back to producing techno after Altern 8?? What are they
 doing now?
 
 Stewart

I remember reading 'Stings Of Life' was a massive rave tune with the
hardcore scene back in 92.
Altern 8 did a collaboration with Inner City (after Nexus 21, Still Life)
but I forget the name of the track.
Kevin Saunderson was very much into the hard core/ break beat sound.

on 1/21/03 10:46 AM, P dircon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh yeah  there was a 3 track ep  with  self hypnosis  (mr whippy
 mix...always made me smile)  and a promo 12 with the original version of
 self hypnosis..which is a massive tune  fierce bassline

That's the one where the bassline devours the mix so there is a drop off in
the high and mid range?
 
 There was a 12 on RS also with Logical Progression, and Techno City on
 the b-side.
 
 G

They also had a bleep record under the name Cyclone.



Re: (313) Altern 8

2003-01-21 Thread Sakari Karipuro
techno wrote on Tue, 21 Jan 2003 about following:

 I remember reading 'Stings Of Life' was a massive rave tune with the
 hardcore scene back in 92.

probably because Altern 8 did sort of remix of it.. it was called 
E-vapor-8. 

 Altern 8 did a collaboration with Inner City (after Nexus 21, Still Life)
 but I forget the name of the track.

Let it reign.


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Re: (313) Altern 8

2003-01-21 Thread techno
on 1/21/03 2:08 PM, Sakari Karipuro at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 probably because Altern 8 did sort of remix of it.. it was called
 E-vapor-8. 


Nah 'Strings Of Life' had a comeback of sorts 1992 with the ravers, I would
think this is the reason why they sampled it.
They sampled a lot of Chicago and Detroit classics (Armando's World Unknown
in Armageddon) 

 Altern8 held a rave in the car park at 2.30 am on the 15th of September
1991. An interview with Altern8 was recorded which was
available on vinyl as limited edition, together with Frequency.

I bought this record when it first came out, you hear all the whistles and
pandemonium in the background.

I had an Altern 8 interview in some old Brit dance mag where they show them
playing at a club in Germany, all the German ravers were wearing the
old Warp T-shirts.

Remember the first +8 T-shirts?
It was the red and black +8 logo on a white T-shirt that shrank in the wash.