(313) detroit flood on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.electronic
So ... I don't know if anyone else watches the netnews binary groups but ... more than one someone's been a busy bee. In the last couple weeks on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.electronic: 1. Nearly every Chain Reaction title 2. Nearly every Basic Channel title 3. Nearly every Eevo Lute title 4. Nearly every KMS CD 5. Sean Deason 'Allegory and Metaphor' 6. Shari Vari remix CD 7. Plastikman 'Closer' and 'Consumed', Concept compilation 8. Transmat compilation 9. Mayday Mix CD 10. Kooky Scientist 'Unpopular Science' 11. Movement CD 12. Most of the Drexciya catalog. I was pretty much amazed. Strictly as an observer, of course. I support artists by buying CDs and records, whenever possible. We could debate sharing mp3s but let's not.
Re: (313) detroit flood on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.electronic
On Jan 5, 2005, at 1:14 AM, Kent Williams wrote: So ... I don't know if anyone else watches the netnews binary groups but ... more than one someone's been a busy bee. In the last couple weeks on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.electronic: 1. Nearly every Chain Reaction title 2. Nearly every Basic Channel title 3. Nearly every Eevo Lute title 4. Nearly every KMS CD 5. Sean Deason 'Allegory and Metaphor' 6. Shari Vari remix CD 7. Plastikman 'Closer' and 'Consumed', Concept compilation 8. Transmat compilation 9. Mayday Mix CD 10. Kooky Scientist 'Unpopular Science' 11. Movement CD 12. Most of the Drexciya catalog. I was pretty much amazed. Strictly as an observer, of course. I support artists by buying CDs and records, whenever possible. We could debate sharing mp3s but let's not. So, let's discuss how many of these items are widely available on CD (amazon/tower/etc. in the US) or as legal/paid digital downloads. -- Ian
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Re: (313) detroit flood on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.electronic
On Jan 5, 2005, at 2:38, Ian wrote: So, let's discuss how many of these items are widely available on CD (amazon/tower/etc. in the US) or as legal/paid digital downloads. Indeed, where DO I find that Mayday mix CD? -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim -> mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) detroit flood on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.electronic
>3. Nearly every Eevo Lute title the records, not just the cd's? >I was pretty much amazed. Strictly as an observer, of course. I support artists by buying CDs and records, whenever possible. well i hope you grabbed the eevo lute ones because you'll have a heck of a time finding the original vinyl of most of those and very few (if any?) have been repressed...wish i'd caught the thread... not trying to start a discussion but i see nothing wrong with sharing mp3's of out-of-print/commercially unavailable releases...
(313) Q
since it's banging over the 100th time already thrugh my home over the last months (a re-discovery), i thought, maybe more people want to grab that kenny larkin' azimuth album again, to play loud loud loud that track called 'Q'
RE: (313) Q
*If* you can find it - which is not very easy, although not quite impossible (yet)! k -Original Message- From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 December 2004 14:10 To: 313 Subject: (313) Q since it's banging over the 100th time already thrugh my home over the last months (a re-discovery), i thought, maybe more people want to grab that kenny larkin' azimuth album again, to play loud loud loud that track called 'Q'
Re: (313) Q
i'd hazard a guess that the cd would be easier to find than the vinyl, and the cd is where you'll find Q. don't think it was on the vinyl. i lent this cd (one of the few things i've bought on cd esp. from that era) to a mate and now i've lost touchaargh robin... On 5 Jan 2005, at 14:34, Odeluga, Ken wrote: *If* you can find it - which is not very easy, although not quite impossible (yet)! k -Original Message- From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 December 2004 14:10 To: 313 Subject: (313) Q since it's banging over the 100th time already thrugh my home over the last months (a re-discovery), i thought, maybe more people want to grab that kenny larkin' azimuth album again, to play loud loud loud that track called 'Q'
RE: (313) Q
"Q" has always been my favorite track on that album. I've played it more than any other track in the years that I've owned that CD. -Original Message- From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:10 AM To: 313 Subject: (313) Q since it's banging over the 100th time already thrugh my home over the last months (a re-discovery), i thought, maybe more people want to grab that kenny larkin' azimuth album again, to play loud loud loud that track called 'Q' -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005
(313) techno tsunami benefit
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Re: (313) Q
Q isn't on the vinyl LP but it is on the 7" that came with it. I think it's a different mix than the one on the CD. You also get the track "Wondering" which is not on the CD. MEK robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ctric.com> To "Odeluga, Ken" 01/05/05 08:53 AM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc "Marsel // Nomorewords.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject Re: (313) Q i'd hazard a guess that the cd would be easier to find than the vinyl, and the cd is where you'll find Q. don't think it was on the vinyl. i lent this cd (one of the few things i've bought on cd esp. from that era) to a mate and now i've lost touchaargh robin... On 5 Jan 2005, at 14:34, Odeluga, Ken wrote: > *If* you can find it - which is not very easy, although not quite > impossible (yet)! > > k > > -Original Message- > From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 29 December 2004 14:10 > To: 313 > Subject: (313) Q > > > since it's banging over the 100th time already thrugh my home over the > last > months (a re-discovery), > i thought, maybe more people want to grab that kenny larkin' azimuth > album > again, to play loud loud loud > that track called 'Q' > >
RE: (313) Q
None of these items are particularly easy to find. A copy of the 2x12" LP *with* the complimentary 7" single which was originally included, must be all but impossible. The cd would appear to be the most likely option so I'll look out for that, especially given my new-found penchant for digitally dubbing things on to MD and marvelling at the clarity of the mix-downs ... Speaking of hard-to-find, there's a copy of Minimal Nation on ebay at the moment I'm not even bothering to look! k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 January 2005 15:09 To: robin Cc: 313; Odeluga, Ken; Marsel // Nomorewords.net Subject: Re: (313) Q Q isn't on the vinyl LP but it is on the 7" that came with it. I think it's a different mix than the one on the CD. You also get the track "Wondering" which is not on the CD. MEK robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ctric.com> To "Odeluga, Ken" 01/05/05 08:53 AM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc "Marsel // Nomorewords.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject Re: (313) Q i'd hazard a guess that the cd would be easier to find than the vinyl, and the cd is where you'll find Q. don't think it was on the vinyl. i lent this cd (one of the few things i've bought on cd esp. from that era) to a mate and now i've lost touchaargh robin... On 5 Jan 2005, at 14:34, Odeluga, Ken wrote: > *If* you can find it - which is not very easy, although not quite > impossible (yet)! > > k > > -Original Message- > From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 29 December 2004 14:10 > To: 313 > Subject: (313) Q > > > since it's banging over the 100th time already thrugh my home over the > last > months (a re-discovery), > i thought, maybe more people want to grab that kenny larkin' azimuth > album > again, to play loud loud loud > that track called 'Q' > >
(313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question
Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so far. Thanks -m
Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question
How does it look like :) - Original Message - From: "MikeD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:17 PM Subject: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so far. > > Thanks > > -m > >
(313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
I'm reading 'Energy Flash' by Simon Reynolds published by Picador (1998). In this book and more specific in chapter eight entitled 'The Future Sound Of Detroit' I read some 'interesting' viewpoints for discussion. Here's the entire last part of the chapter: KEEPING THE FAITH Jeff Mills belongs to a tradition of black scholar-musicians and autodidacts: Sun Ra, Anthony Braxton, Derrick May, DJ Spooky. Instead of inspiring thoughtless, sweaty fun, Mills believes dance music should be the vehicle for lofty intellectualism and weighty-verging-on-ponderous concepts. Let me be very very clear, he says, with the barest hint of annoyance. Underground Resistance wasnt militant, nor was it angry... Im not angry now... The music that I make now has absolutely nothing to do with colour. It has nothing to do with man/woman, East/West, up/down, but more [to do with] the mind. The mind has no colour... Theres this perception that if youre black and you make music, then you must be angry. Or you must be deep. Or you must be out to get money and women. Or you must be high when you made that record. Its one of the four. And the media does a really good job of staying within those four categories. But in these cases, its neither of those. To which you might respond, whats left? If you remove race, class, gender, sexuality, the body and the craving for intoxication from the picture, what exactly remains to fuel the music? Just the pure play of ideation. The result is music that appeals to a disinterested and disembodied consciousness. The formalism of minimal techno has some parallels with minimalism in the pictorial arts and in avant-classical composition; both have been critiqued as spiritualized evasions of political reality, as attempts to transcend the messy and profane realm of History and Materiality in the quest for the timeless and territorially unbounded. If the musical legacy of Derrick May and Jeff Mills is largely unimpeachable, the mentality they have fathered throughout the world of 'serious' techno is, I Believe, a largely pernicious influence. This anti-Dionysian mindset favours elegance over energy, serenity over passion, restraint over abandon. It's a value system shared by Detroit purists both within the Motor City and across the globe. In Detroit itself, artists like Alan Oldham, Stacey Pullen/Silent Phase, Kenny Larkin, Dan Curtin, Claude Young, Jay Denham, Marc Kinchen, Terence Dixon and John Beltran, uphold the tradition. Many of these producers were corralled on to a 1996 double CD compiled by Edie 'Flashin" Fowlkes, which he titled True People as a stinging rebuke to the rest of the world for daring to tamper with the Detroit blueprint. Detroit is living in denial. Techno has long since slipped out of its custodianship, the evolution-through-mutation of music has thrown up such mongrels as bleep-and-bass, Belgian hardcore, jungle, trance and gabba, all of which owe as much to other cities (the Bronx; Kingston, Jamaica; Dusseldorf; Sheffield; London; Chicago) as they do to Detroit. The ancestral lineage of Detroit has been contaminated by 'alien' genes; the music's been 'bastardized'. But lest we forget, illegitimate heirs tend to lead more interesting lives. If anything, the idea and ideal of Detroit is even stronger outside the city, thanks to British Detroit-purists. Leading lights in the realm of neo-Detroit abstract dance include the British labels Soma, Ferox, Ifach and Peacefrog, and producers like Peter Ford, Dave angel, Neil Landstrum, Funk DVoid, Ian OBrien (who titled a track Mad Mike Disease as a nod to the endemic influence of the UR/Red Planet maestro), The Surgeon, Russ Gabriel, Luke Slater, Adam Beyer and Mark Broom (whose alter ego Midnight Funk Association is named after the Electrifyin Mojos legendary Detroit radio show). It is a world where people talk not of labels but imprints, and funk is spelt phunk to give it an air of, er, phuturism. One of the most vocal of the Detroit-acolytes is tech-jazz artist Kirk deGiorgio. From early efforts like Dance Intellect to his late nineties As One output, deGiorgio has dedicated himself to the notion that Detroit techno is the successor to the synth-oriented jazz-funk of fusioneers like Herbie Hancock and George Duke. I never saw techno as anything else but a continuation of black music, he told Muzik magazine in 1997. I didnt think of it as any new kind of music. It was just that the technology and the sounds were different. This neo-conservative attitude the self-effacing notion that white musicians like deGiorgio himself have nothing to add to black music; the idea that music never really undergoes revolutions reminds me of nothing so much as the British blues-bore purists of the late sixties and early seventies. Actually, given that Detroit techno was a response to European electro-pop, we should really reverse the analogy: Atkins, Ma
Re: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
> Here's the entire last part of the chapter: Indeed, there it is...slow day at the office? ;) MEK
Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question
on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: > Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so far. > > Thanks > > -m > my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made In Detroit logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. sean
RE: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
I disagree with Simon Reynolds here; he's arguing that an individual is solely defined by their race, class, gender, sexuality and whether or not they're planning on getting wasted. Human beings just aren't that simple. If someone says to me, "I'm a gay white male with a lower middle-class background and I don't take drugs", I still know barely anything about them. Aside from "pure ideation", there are a hell of a lot of other factors that come together to define an individual, and these myriad factors also help to shape whatever cultural output (including music) that individual produces. If Reynolds was correct, music would be incredibly homogenous. Another person who shared my racial/class background, my sexuality and my penchant for Guinness would make music almost identical to mine. But for some mysterious reason, there are people I grew up with who have *identical* backgrounds to me but who produce and listen to completely different forms of music. Weird, eh? Brendan > -Original Message- > From: Simon Vrebos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 January 2005 15:44 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds > > > I'm reading 'Energy Flash' by Simon Reynolds published by > Picador (1998). In this book and more specific in chapter > eight entitled 'The Future Sound Of Detroit' I read some > 'interesting' viewpoints for discussion. Here's the entire > last part of the chapter: > > KEEPING THE FAITH > > Jeff Mills belongs to a tradition of black scholar-musicians > and autodidacts: Sun Ra, Anthony Braxton, Derrick May, DJ > Spooky. Instead of inspiring thoughtless, sweaty fun, Mills > believes dance music should be the vehicle for lofty > intellectualism and weighty-verging-on-ponderous concepts. > 'Let me be very very clear,' he says, with the barest hint of > annoyance. 'Underground Resistance wasn't militant, nor was > it angry... I'm not angry now... The music that I make now > has absolutely nothing to do with colour. It has nothing to > do with man/woman, East/West, up/down, but more [to do with] > "the mind". The mind has no colour... There's this perception > that if you're black and you make music, then you must be > angry. Or you must be "deep". Or you must be out to get money > and women. Or you must be high when you made that record. > It's one of the four. And the media does a really good job of > staying within those four categories. But in these cases, > it's neither of those.' > To which you might respond, what's left? If you remove race, > class, gender, sexuality, the body and the craving for > intoxication from the picture, what exactly remains to fuel > the music? Just the 'pure' play of ideation >
Re: (313) Q
> i'd hazard a guess that the cd would be easier to find than the vinyl, > and the cd is where you'll find Q. don't think it was on the vinyl. the cd comes up all the time on ebay and gemm and shouldn't really set you back more than £10 or £15, the vinyl on the other hand, as Ken said, is a bit trickier... > i lent this cd (one of the few things i've bought on cd esp. from that > era) to a mate and now i've lost touchaargh there's a moral here...never lend anyone any records or CDs. Even if they return them, their bound to be in worse nick that when you lent them, which can only lead to resentment (if that's not too much of an insight to my anal mindstate). Making compilations is much more fun anyway. Happy New Year to you all btw. D.
Re: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
On Jan 5, 2005, at 9:44 AM, Simon Vrebos wrote: I'm reading 'Energy Flash' by Simon Reynolds published by Picador (1998). In this book and more specific in chapter eight entitled 'The Future Sound Of Detroit' I read some 'interesting' viewpoints for discussion. simon's been drinking his bongwater again, ugh. Like this part he sez: European neo-Detroit techno-phunk is music that feels anal and inhibited, crippled by its fear of heterodoxy. Its ‘radicalism’ is defined by its refusals, by what it denies itself – I wish this book would just kind of expire -- like Simon's drug-addled half-arsed theories-of-the-week nearly always do when given time. I've never been a fan. peace -- Matt MacQueen http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
On 5 Jan 2005, at 15:57, Matt MacQueen wrote: European neo-Detroit techno-phunk is music that feels anal and inhibited, crippled by its fear of heterodoxy. Its ‘radicalism’ is defined by its refusals, by what it denies itself – I wish this book would just kind of expire -- like Simon's drug-addled half-arsed theories-of-the-week nearly always do when given time. I've never been a fan. He's never heard the Cabs recordings from 1976...tsk... Cheers Martin
Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question
On 5-jan-05, at 16:49, M : A : T : R : I : X wrote: on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so far. Thanks -m my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made In Detroit logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. I know that painting used on the front of the flyers is hanging at the Techno Exhibit Detroit Historical Museum. I have the flyer here but i can't see any being credited for it. KJ --- http://technotourist.org
Re: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
God, that's even worse than I remember. It's not only pretentious and poorly articulated, it's just plain wrong. I mean, most Detroit is about good plain fun, as opposed to a lot of the chin stroking madness these days (which I actually often like, but that's another discussion). It's as if he judged Detroit techno solely based on a poorly written blurb on the sleeve of one of Jeff Mills records (apologies, Jeff) - and even there, the FUN/funk of the Wizard and his eclectic sets certainly makes good for any failed attempts at conceptual art on Jeff's record labels. And not influenced by hiphop??? What an absurd notion. In Simpsons comic book guy voice: "Worst... music 'criticism'... ever..." ~David
Re: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
At 11:31 AM 1/5/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Simpsons comic book guy voice: "Worst... music 'criticism'... ever..." What's sad is how many of friends consider Reynolds (and guys like pitchfork) inspiration/hero/grand influence/whatever. Sorry, Ryan. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
Re: (313) Q
-- Original Message -- From: "Dan Bean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >there's a moral here...never lend anyone any records or CDs. Even if they return them, their bound to be in worse nick that when you lent them, which can only lead to resentment (if that's not too much of an insight to my anal mindstate). Making compilations is much more fun anyway. there are maybe 5 people i would lend a record to, and theyre all people i would trust with just about anything else in my life. i lent my Halloween III soundtrack (by john carpenter) to a friend of mine before we had a falling out. he started dating one of my exes, i had her go through his records to pull it out and give it back. tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
> -Original Message- > From: matt kane's brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 January 2005 16:33 > > At 11:31 AM 1/5/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >In Simpsons comic book guy voice: "Worst... music > 'criticism'... ever..." > > What's sad is how many of friends consider Reynolds (and guys like > pitchfork) inspiration/hero/grand influence/whatever. I think there's a place in the world for Simon Reynolds, but like most music journalists, he's essentially making a career out of sniping from the sidelines, and someone who does that for a living can only be seen as an inspiration by people who aspire to that sort of position. I have to admit, I often prefer to read opinions (on music as well as other subjects) that conflict with my own; even though I'd ideally prefer these opinions to be better articulated than Simon Reynolds' often are! Brendan
Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question
On 5-jan-05, at 16:49, M : A : T : R : I : X wrote: on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so far. Thanks -m my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made In Detroit logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. I know that painting used on the front of the flyers is hanging at the Techno Exhibit Detroit Historical Museum. I have the flyer here but i can't see any being credited for it. KJ --- http://technotourist.org
Re: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
We have discussed his "insights" at numerous points over the years. Basically, any music that doesn't fit his definition of "hardcore" (a somewhat malleable concept) is only fit for excision and derision. All I can say about his dis on Jeff Mills is, every time I drop a Mills track in a set, the floor jumps with the "pure play of ideation." Simon Reynolds: autodidact or pretentious twit? Maybe both. -- fh
Re: (313) Q
That "Q" track was on a 12" promo on warp (with 5 other tracks from the album). I sold it for 6 euro last month... Yes. I am insane. Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) Q
On Jan 5, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Maarten Baute wrote: That "Q" track was on a 12" promo on warp (with 5 other tracks from the album). I sold it for 6 euro last month... i can't remember what was on the bonus 7" that came with the Metaphor LP... anyone? I kept losing it.. hope i still have it tucked in there somewhere. -- Matt MacQueen http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) Q
On Jan 5, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Matt MacQueen wrote: On Jan 5, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Maarten Baute wrote: That "Q" track was on a 12" promo on warp (with 5 other tracks from the album). I sold it for 6 euro last month... i can't remember what was on the bonus 7" that came with the Metaphor LP... anyone? I kept losing it.. hope i still have it tucked in there somewhere. oops i meant Azimuth not Metaphor... doh. Hey, it's been, what.. 10 years?? that's pretty amazing it's held up so well. -- Matt MacQueen http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) Q
> i can't remember what was on the bonus 7" that came with the Metaphor > LP... anyone? I kept losing it.. hope i still have it tucked in there > somewhere. I am talking about this record: http://www.discogs.com/release/128251 It's a promo 12". Cheers, Maarten
(313) 2000 DEMF flyer
Jamie LaTondresse (sp?) designed the flyer and the majority of the marketing materials. He was working at C-Pop at the time. I know he has his own gallery of sorts somewhere in the Detroit area - not exactly sure what/where. The painting image used on some of the marketing materials was done by Tom Thewes (owner of C-Pop) Barbara > -- > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:17:28 -0600 (CST) > To: 313@hyperreal.org > From: MikeD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: DEMF 2000 FLyer question > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so far. > > Thanks > > -m > > -- > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:42:08 +0100 > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > From: "DJ Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > How does it look like :) > > - Original Message - > From: "MikeD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:17 PM > Subject: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > > Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to > me so far. > > > > Thanks > > > > -m > > > > > > -- > > Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:49:41 -0500 > To: MikeD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > From: "M : A : T : R : I : X" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: > > > Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to > me so far. > > > > Thanks > > > > -m > > > > my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made > In Detroit > logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. > > sean > > -- > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:30:09 +0100 > To: "M : A : T : R : I : X" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: kj at technotourist dot org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: 313 Mailinglist List <313@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 5-jan-05, at 16:49, M : A : T : R : I : X wrote: > > > on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: > > > >> Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so > >> far. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> -m > >> > > > > > > my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made In > > Detroit > > logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. > > I know that painting used on the front of the flyers is hanging at the > Techno Exhibit Detroit Historical Museum. I have the flyer here but i > can't see any being credited for it. > > KJ > --- > http://technotourist.org > > -- > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:40:20 +0100 > To: 313 Mailinglist List <313@hyperreal.org> > From: kj at technotourist dot org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 5-jan-05, at 16:49, M : A : T : R : I : X wrote: > > > on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: > > > >> Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so > >> far. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> -m > >> > > > > > > my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made In > > Detroit > > logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. > > I know that painting used on the front of the flyers is hanging at the > Techno Exhibit Detroit Historical Museum. I have the flyer here but i > can't see any being credited for it. > > KJ > --- > http://technotourist.org > >
Re: (313) 2000 DEMF flyer
The cpop (http://www.cpop.com) website doesn't work...? You can try this: http://www.jamielatendresse.com/design/cpop01.html Ken - Original Message - From: "Barbara Deyo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MikeD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313 List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: (313) 2000 DEMF flyer > Jamie LaTondresse (sp?) designed the flyer and the majority of the marketing > materials. He was working at C-Pop at the time. I know he has his own > gallery of sorts somewhere in the Detroit area - not exactly sure > what/where. The painting image used on some of the marketing materials was > done by Tom Thewes (owner of C-Pop) > > Barbara > > > -- > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:17:28 -0600 (CST) > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > From: MikeD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so far. > > > > Thanks > > > > -m > > > > -- > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:42:08 +0100 > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > From: "DJ Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > How does it look like :) > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "MikeD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:17 PM > > Subject: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > > > > Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to > > me so far. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -m > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:49:41 -0500 > > To: MikeD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > > From: "M : A : T : R : I : X" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: > > > > > Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to > > me so far. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -m > > > > > > > my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made > > In Detroit > > logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. > > > > sean > > > > -- > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:30:09 +0100 > > To: "M : A : T : R : I : X" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From: kj at technotourist dot org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: 313 Mailinglist List <313@hyperreal.org> > > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > On 5-jan-05, at 16:49, M : A : T : R : I : X wrote: > > > > > on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: > > > > > >> Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so > > >> far. > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> > > >> -m > > >> > > > > > > > > > my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made In > > > Detroit > > > logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. > > > > I know that painting used on the front of the flyers is hanging at the > > Techno Exhibit Detroit Historical Museum. I have the flyer here but i > > can't see any being credited for it. > > > > KJ > > --- > > http://technotourist.org > > > > -- > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:40:20 +0100 > > To: 313 Mailinglist List <313@hyperreal.org> > > From: kj at technotourist dot org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > On 5-jan-05, at 16:49, M : A : T : R : I : X wrote: > > > > > on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: > > > > > >> Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so > > >> far. > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> > > >> -m > > >> > > > > > > > > > my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made In > > > Detroit > > > logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. > > > > I know that painting used on the front of the flyers is hanging at the > > Techno Exhibit Detroit Historical Museum. I have the flyer here but i > > can't see any being credited for it. > > > > KJ > > --- > > http://technotourist.org > > > > > >
Re: (313) Q
"Wondering" and "Q (Right Brain Mix)" as I mentioned just a few hours ago MEK Matt MacQueen <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .com> To 313 <313@hyperreal.org>, Maarten 01/05/2005 11:42 Baute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> AM cc Subject Re: (313) Q On Jan 5, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Maarten Baute wrote: > That "Q" track was on a 12" promo on warp (with 5 other tracks from the > album). I sold it for 6 euro last month... i can't remember what was on the bonus 7" that came with the Metaphor LP... anyone? I kept losing it.. hope i still have it tucked in there somewhere. -- Matt MacQueen http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) 2000 DEMF flyer
hey! barbara's alive! On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Barbara Deyo wrote: > Jamie LaTondresse (sp?) designed the flyer and the majority of the marketing > materials. He was working at C-Pop at the time. I know he has his own > gallery of sorts somewhere in the Detroit area - not exactly sure > what/where. The painting image used on some of the marketing materials was > done by Tom Thewes (owner of C-Pop) > > Barbara > > > -- > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:17:28 -0600 (CST) > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > From: MikeD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so far. > > > > Thanks > > > > -m > > > > -- > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:42:08 +0100 > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > From: "DJ Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > How does it look like :) > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "MikeD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:17 PM > > Subject: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > > > > Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to > > me so far. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -m > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:49:41 -0500 > > To: MikeD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > > From: "M : A : T : R : I : X" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: > > > > > Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to > > me so far. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -m > > > > > > > my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made > > In Detroit > > logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. > > > > sean > > > > -- > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:30:09 +0100 > > To: "M : A : T : R : I : X" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From: kj at technotourist dot org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: 313 Mailinglist List <313@hyperreal.org> > > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > On 5-jan-05, at 16:49, M : A : T : R : I : X wrote: > > > > > on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: > > > > > >> Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so > > >> far. > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> > > >> -m > > >> > > > > > > > > > my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made In > > > Detroit > > > logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. > > > > I know that painting used on the front of the flyers is hanging at the > > Techno Exhibit Detroit Historical Museum. I have the flyer here but i > > can't see any being credited for it. > > > > KJ > > --- > > http://technotourist.org > > > > -- > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:40:20 +0100 > > To: 313 Mailinglist List <313@hyperreal.org> > > From: kj at technotourist dot org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2000 FLyer question > > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > On 5-jan-05, at 16:49, M : A : T : R : I : X wrote: > > > > > on 1/5/05 10:17 AM, MikeD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered these words: > > > > > >> Who designed the DEMF 2000 flyer? Google has not been nice to me so > > >> far. > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> > > >> -m > > >> > > > > > > > > > my guess would be Gary Arnette (the designer of the infamous Made In > > > Detroit > > > logo) he designed the DEMF logo as well. > > > > I know that painting used on the front of the flyers is hanging at the > > Techno Exhibit Detroit Historical Museum. I have the flyer here but i > > can't see any being credited for it. > > > > KJ > > --- > > http://technotourist.org > > > > > >
Re: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
I've not enough time to do a line-by-line consideration of what's been presented here, but *based solely on the short excerpt given here* and being what I consider to be an open-minded person, who nevertheless relishes an intellectual punch-up, I'd challenge anyone to defend most of what he says as more than sixth-form essay standard. It's a shame really, 'cause it's an important set of ideas which Reynolds addresses. I am interested in reading the book though - I'd happy if he demonstrates that we're all wrong and he's right, and perhaps he does indeed do that in the rest of the book. So. I'm not going to indulge in ad-hominem arguments - and I'd suggest that no one here should. For me, these are never acceptable, but in this case, they certainly don't appear to be even necessary. After all, his thesis should stand or fall on the soundness of his reasoning only right? Having said all that, one thing which I can resonate with is the need to cull excessive reverence toward any type of movement in music. To me, that's pretty superfluous too. k
RE: (313) Happy New Year 313
Yep all the best gang, let's keep the techno rolling in 2005. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 January 2005 14:17 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Happy New Year 313 All the best to everyone, here's to a very techno 2005! Martin -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/04 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 30/12/04
Re: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
On Jan 5, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Ken Odeluga wrote: Having said all that, one thing which I can resonate with is the need to cull excessive reverence toward any type of movement in music. To me, that's pretty superfluous too. I agree with that thought, but provided the author doesn't replace the excessive reverence with their own intellectual psycho-babble, unproven theories passed on as 'canon', and coin new hybrid genre names in every paragraph. I'd recommend keep a barf bag handy as you thumb through it, but hey, you might love it. IMHO that book takes itself stunningly too seriously, had the whole thing been some half-drunk bar conversation it might have been more entertaining to me, but as a real critical piece trying to stand on it's own? Not for me, thanks. peace -- Matt MacQueen http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
It can be interesting to read books about music (or any form of art for that matter), you can think up interestingn concepts, made up some really interesting concepts on why music is music or whatever, or have a good track because you sampled 2 goldfishes having sex in the end it all comes down to wether you like the song or not. No theory or whatever made me hate a track i used to like. So i never took these things that seriously. KJ --- http://technotourist.org On 5-jan-05, at 17:33, Brendan Nelson wrote: At 11:31 AM 1/5/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Simpsons comic book guy voice: "Worst... music 'criticism'... ever..." What's sad is how many of friends consider Reynolds (and guys like pitchfork) inspiration/hero/grand influence/whatever. I think there's a place in the world for Simon Reynolds, but like most music journalists, he's essentially making a career out of sniping from the sidelines, and someone who does that for a living can only be seen as an inspiration by people who aspire to that sort of position. I have to admit, I often prefer to read opinions (on music as well as other subjects) that conflict with my own; even though I'd ideally prefer these opinions to be better articulated than Simon Reynolds' often are!
Re: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
kj at technotourist dot org wrote: No theory or whatever made me hate a track i used to like. So i never took these things that seriously. I'd say a sign that a theory is interesting is if it makes you like tracks you used to hate. THAT's much more powerful, imo. In the end, though, it's important to remember that there'd be no theories without the art - but the converse is most certainly not true. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) Q
Actually i am sitting here looking at my 2x12" vinyl copy and it has Q on it, its on the same side as wires. it has always been one of my favoritesand i play it out alot.the 7" has the same track on the A and B side.but different mixes of the same tracki believe thats the wondering tracki cant find my 7" right now... michael www.renegaderhythms.com > > > > Q isn't on the vinyl LP but it is on the 7" that came with it. I think > it's a different mix than the one on the CD. You also get the track > "Wondering" which is not on the CD. > > MEK > > > > > robin > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ctric.com> To >"Odeluga, Ken" > 01/05/05 08:53 AM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc >"Marsel // Nomorewords.net" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "313" ><313@hyperreal.org> >Subject >Re: (313) Q > > > > > > > > > > > > i'd hazard a guess that the cd would be easier to find than the vinyl, > and the cd is where you'll find Q. don't think it was on the vinyl. > > i lent this cd (one of the few things i've bought on cd esp. from that > era) to a mate and now i've lost touchaargh > > robin... > > On 5 Jan 2005, at 14:34, Odeluga, Ken wrote: > > > *If* you can find it - which is not very easy, although not quite > > impossible (yet)! > > > > k > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 29 December 2004 14:10 > > To: 313 > > Subject: (313) Q > > > > > > since it's banging over the 100th time already thrugh my home over the > > last > > months (a re-discovery), > > i thought, maybe more people want to grab that kenny larkin' azimuth > > album > > again, to play loud loud loud > > that track called 'Q' > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: (313) Energy Flash by Simon Reynolds
Can't really go into detail about all the points everyone's made about the bit of Simon Reynolds' writing (there are too many), but I do think you're all being a bit harsh: 1. I don't think it's right to say that he's inarticulate - I devoured this reasonably long bit of writing very quickly. Despite the fact that I don't agree with parts of what he syas, it's an enjoyable read at the very least. 2. I don't think that he writes in a drug-addled manner. He clearly thinks that drugs are a very important factor in the music we like, which they are. I don't agree with the extent that he thinks music should be subservient to the expecations of users of certain drugs such as ecstasy, but the drugs members of an audience have taken certainly play a part, what;s more a good part on many occasions. 3. Some of his points about the 'guarding' of Detroit music certainly strike a chord, even if his targets are somewhat indiscriminate. 4. His take on minimalism is spot on in many ways. I like minimalism, whereas he doesn't really seem to, but his observations seem quite acute to me nonetheless. Just my two farthings...
