Re: (313) brief survey
On 25 Sep 2008, at 20:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you all listening to right at this second? Please include format. (LP, CD, streaming mp3, podcast, etc) I'm liking a few of the recent RA podcasts. On now the Jerome Derradji mix. robin...
Re: (313) brief survey
I'm all over that Greg Wilson RA podcast. I was just listening to Maurice Fulton's El Diablo Social Club mix while driving to work it is superb ! http://www.eldiablos.co.uk/music.htm Kind regards, Gary Entertainment UK Ltd Auriol Drive | Greenford Park | Greenford | UB6 0DS x: 2946 | t: +44 (0)20 8833 2946 robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313 313@hyperreal.org org cc: Subject: Re: (313) brief survey 26/09/08 08:31 On 25 Sep 2008, at 20:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you all listening to right at this second? Please include format. (LP, CD, streaming mp3, podcast, etc) I'm liking a few of the recent RA podcasts. On now the Jerome Derradji mix. robin... ** Entertainment UK Limited Registered Office: 243 Blyth Road, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1DN. Registered in England Numbered 409775 This e-mail, and any attachments it may have, is only intended for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions or comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of the company. If you have received this e-mail in error, and any attachments it may have, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you for your co-operation. **
(313) Morgan Geist interview
He should take a break: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=960 robin...
Re: (313) brief survey
I'm all over that Greg Wilson RA podcast. Yeah, nice to see Greg playing some different tracks ;). This podcast is class. I was just listening to Maurice Fulton's El Diablo Social Club mix while driving to work it is superb ! http://www.eldiablos.co.uk/music.htm Nice to see the El Diablos people getting a mention on here too. robin...
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
robin wrote: He should take a break: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=96 Oh I don't know Robin, it's a good interview that reflects the times and where his head is at - much better than some pointless back-story PR BS. Here's another one from Mick Harris: http://www.oc-tv.net/scorn,mick-harris.htm Wonderful stuff m
Re: (313) brief survey
On 25 sep 2008, at 22:12, Martin Dust wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you all listening to right at this second? Please include format. (LP, CD, streaming mp3, podcast, etc) A dead 808... :( A 909 with some serious MIDI timing issues... also :-(
RE: (313) x-102
Not meaning to be confrontational Tom but would you really not play them out if they were indeed banging straight out of the 90s or cush like? Perhaps in fear of not fitting into this modern minimal tech house world [a debatable notion I perhaps, anyway?]. I'm curious :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:23 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) x-102 Anybody pick up the new 12s? oNe on tresor and one on Axis, they are new to me here in SF, CA, usa. I am having a hard time finding reviews of them and wonder if they are worth the money, are they playable in this modern minimal tech house world or are they banging straight out of the mid nineties? any help appreciated...
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
On 26 Sep 2008, at 10:02, Martin Dust wrote: robin wrote: He should take a break: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=96 Oh I don't know Robin, it's a good interview that reflects the times and where his head is at - much better than some pointless back- story PR BS. Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I've had a few months away from music personally as occasionally you feel the shine going but then I have a day job that isn't music and have that luxury. I just spent my spare time modifying VWs instead. robin...
Re: (313) Ghostly International
I love theses too, and the last Nation : http://www.discogs.com/release/1382022 - K* - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: (313) Ghostly International picked this one up couple of weeks ago killer release! http://www.discogs.com/release/1418372 especially track b1 ! more on the jack tip http://www.discogs.com/release/1237617 Arturo Lopez schreef: Has Ghostly/Spectral Sound put out anything interesting lately? They've dropped off my radar over the last few years, I was curious if anyone on here is still picking up their releases. The first few years of the label I thought the quality of music was quite good, I wonder if it has been sustained? I visited their website yesterday and found a new 4-remix 12 of Dog Days, which strikes me as completely unnecessary. Maybe Dear needs to put a new down payment on a house or something and needs to milk that one a little more? Have they gotten to that point where they assembly-line churn out product now or what? Thoughts? -Arturo
RE: (313) brief survey
Was last listening to 'Upon A Millenial Moment' from Wire To Wire, a while ago in the gym. Sorry, predictable, I know. iPod, 24-bit/48kHz Lossless file. Why? :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:04 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) brief survey What are you all listening to right at this second? Please include format. (LP, CD, streaming mp3, podcast, etc) Thanks! m50
RE: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Yeah I really enjoyed that interview with Geist. Ace hair cut as well. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:02 AM To: robin Cc: 313 Org Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview robin wrote: He should take a break: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature-read.aspx?id=96 Oh I don't know Robin, it's a good interview that reflects the times and where his head is at - much better than some pointless back-story PR BS. Here's another one from Mick Harris: http://www.oc-tv.net/scorn,mick-harris.htm Wonderful stuff m
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
I get a better feel for where he's coming from in this interview: http://trickydiscobristol.blogspot.com/2008/09/td-interviews-morgan-geist.html robin... On 26 Sep 2008, at 10:32, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Yeah I really enjoyed that interview with Geist. Ace hair cut as well.
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
that can only be a good thing if you like innovative music - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Innovative music is a skam anyway On 26 sep 2008, at 12:43, /0 wrote: that can only be a good thing if you like innovative music - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
RE: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Apparently we were only into it for a laugh anyway, so why miss it now? -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:51 AM To: /0 Cc: Martin Dust; robin; 313 Org Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Innovative music is a skam anyway On 26 sep 2008, at 12:43, /0 wrote: that can only be a good thing if you like innovative music - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
(313) Free Kenny Larkin
Free Track Here: http://www.rushhour.nl/kennylarkin m
RE: (313) Free Kenny Larkin
Cheers Martin. Chuckling at the 'puzzlement' caused by the 'I'm a comedian' statement. Like a man has to 'be' one thing all his life/at a time . -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:31 PM To: 313 Mailing List Subject: (313) Free Kenny Larkin Free Track Here: http://www.rushhour.nl/kennylarkin m
Re: (313) Free Kenny Larkin
ooh I thought he'd been banged up.. a la grooverider... Martin Dust wrote: Free Track Here: http://www.rushhour.nl/kennylarkin m -- Playing - 11th Sept - APT - New York - 18th Sept - Oslo - Detroit - 4th October - The Tube Bristol - 1st November - The Tube Bristol - 7th November - Body Hammer - Secret Location Placid on the t'interweb - http://www.acid-house.net Placid's Muzik Jamboree - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12854449841 Live on Future-music.co.uk every other Thursday - 8pm - 10pm
(313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE
There was a blizzard of bounces in my inbox this morning because of people sending rich text/html/multipart mime messages. Usually I email everyone individually to remind them to send messages plain text. Not up for it today. SET YOUR MAIL CLIENT TO PLAIN TEXT FOR 313 EMAILS. Don't know how? Google the name of your mail program and 'plain text.' Don't know what plain text means? Send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for an explanation.
Re: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE
I am recently guilty of this as well, thanks Kent for your patience and keeping this listserv running so smoothly! And this really made me laugh: Don't know what plain text means? Send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for an explanation. Humor is good :) -- Denise Dalphond Ph.D. Candidate Department of Folklore Ethnomusicology Indiana University www.denisedjsdetroit.blogspot.com
Re: (313) x-102
I have no use for DJs who try to 'fit in.' It's harder getting gigs if you don't 'fit in' but in the long run, why not find your own way? The simple answer to your question is 'no,' any X102 tracks aren't going to be at the same musical or emotional temperature as 'modern minimal tech house.' On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody pick up the new 12s? oNe on tresor and one on Axis, they are new to me here in SF, CA, usa. I am having a hard time finding reviews of them and wonder if they are worth the money, are they playable in this modern minimal tech house world or are they banging straight out of the mid nineties? any help appreciated...
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
the interview is fantastic. i hung out with him last december in his studio and we talked about a lot of this stuff...it helps to know that even while he talks about this stuff he is a hilarious goofball. i agree with 99% of it.. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently we were only into it for a laugh anyway, so why miss it now? -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:51 AM To: /0 Cc: Martin Dust; robin; 313 Org Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Innovative music is a skam anyway On 26 sep 2008, at 12:43, /0 wrote: that can only be a good thing if you like innovative music - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:03 AM Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
RE: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE
Kent, Just enable HTML, and save yourself the Heartache... :-) G -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2008 14:17 To: list 313 Subject: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE There was a blizzard of bounces in my inbox this morning because of people sending rich text/html/multipart mime messages. Usually I email everyone individually to remind them to send messages plain text. Not up for it today. SET YOUR MAIL CLIENT TO PLAIN TEXT FOR 313 EMAILS. Don't know how? Google the name of your mail program and 'plain text.' Don't know what plain text means? Send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for an explanation.
RE: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE
Putting up my e-mail list umbrella . -Original Message- From: Williams, Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:39 PM To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE Kent, Just enable HTML, and save yourself the Heartache... :-) G -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2008 14:17 To: list 313 Subject: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE There was a blizzard of bounces in my inbox this morning because of people sending rich text/html/multipart mime messages. Usually I email everyone individually to remind them to send messages plain text. Not up for it today. SET YOUR MAIL CLIENT TO PLAIN TEXT FOR 313 EMAILS. Don't know how? Google the name of your mail program and 'plain text.' Don't know what plain text means? Send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for an explanation.
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
That mother comment is priceless! On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the interview is fantastic. i hung out with him last december in his studio and we talked about a lot of this stuff...it helps to know that even while he talks about this stuff he is a hilarious goofball. i agree with 99% of it.. -- Technoir Audio http://www.technoiraudio.com dealing with your imperfect world
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
On 26 Sep 2008, at 15:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? I suspect this is especially annoying as MG has made his stuff available on iTunes. I mean you can't get any easier to buy than that. I can proudly say that as a fan I have every one of his records and have gladly paid for them. I'm of a different generation to the fans he talks about though. robin...
Re: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE
Not gonna happen, and the reasons why also available by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Williams, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, Just enable HTML, and save yourself the Heartache... :-)
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
His stuff is also on Beatport.com and Boomkat.com. Friends don't let friends use ITunes. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect this is especially annoying as MG has made his stuff available on iTunes. I mean you can't get any easier to buy than that.
RE: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE
Look like we'll have to wait till the next Moderator takes over... :-) G -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2008 16:18 To: Williams, Graham Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE Not gonna happen, and the reasons why also available by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Williams, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kent, Just enable HTML, and save yourself the Heartache... :-)
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
RE: (313) Morgan Geist interview
I think JT is on the right lines ... I appreciate this kind of discussion. And no way am I pessimistic about the music industry - certainly not about the music that we like. I feel some sort of resolutions or homestasis in this newly formed system of appreciating music [including paying for it!] is pretty near, although I'm loathe to pin my mast to the board about it yet Still too much uncertainty. -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Martin Dust; 313 Org; robin Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
His stuff is also on Beatport.com and Boomkat.com. Friends don't let friends use ITunes. Indeed. A good vendor: http://www.whatpeopleplay.com/ (the Word and Sound people) Apple have enough cash. (Wasn't my point really but not to worry). Actually for people who want to use digital files for djing iTunes is a bit of a pain to use (convert AAC+ to mp3 then use, I prefer wavs). I personally prefer to record the vinyl but there you go... We're veering into the same old same old arguments now though so I'll shut up. It's Friday! robin...
Re: (313) Ghostly International
I really dig the Michna album alot, i think its on another level... Can't stop listening to Osborne, especially the There song. Diggin the new Kate Simko too.
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Wait a second... how is it _not_ the fans fault for Geist not getting paid for his music when people download via P2P before it's even out? you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get it from A to B P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the files on them nobody is holding the fans at gun point and telling them that they MUST share the files with all of their friends they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist - especially the struggling independent artist people are looking to get something for nothing it is the fans fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions are hurting the musicians they claim to love it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling I can't hear you! you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians aren't getting paid for it it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give something in return that the musician can use most of the time, that something is financial funding if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't have it - in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires you should be content with having less music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone else continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a friend hurts Morgan Geist MEK JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
Re: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE
I'm going to back Kent 100% on this, for reasons clear to anyone who has ever moderated a high-traffic list. fh
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
This isn't the place to debate it, obviously, but the fact is that high-bitrate MP3s can't be distinguished from CDs in blind listening tests. You can argue that vinyl is superior to both those formats, but in the majority of listening situations the difference in sound between the formats is swamped by the quality of the playback equipment. And to your second point, as someone who has literally run out of room in my house for vinyl and CDs (and by 'literally' I mean literally literally, and it's not a small house), I am really happy with having my music on hard disk. It's searchable in a way my CDs and vinyl never will be. You have to be paranoid about backing it up, but it's a more manageable way to handle a large collection. And to the third point -- artist compensation -- with a few exceptions, few people make a good living out of music, and that was just as true 100 years ago as now. Technology has upset how musicians make their living over and over again. Some people adapt and do OK, and some people get bitter and complain. Musicians complaining about people not paying for their music shouldn't make the same mistake Software publishers and Major labels do -- every illicit copy does not represent a lost sale. Studies indicate the biggest downloaders are also the biggest spenders when it comes to music. And someone who hears your music, no matter the context, is more likely to purchase it than someone who has never heard it. Even before the bottom fell out of the dance vinyl market, DJs and producers made more money from playing out than vinyl sales. Now, when music is no longer made artificially scarce by being tied to a physical object, it remains true that a live performance is the only irreplaceable, unreproducable thing. It seems to me that isn't a completely bad thing, either. I don't say this to justify something-for-nothing deadbeats that never pay for music, just to point out that it's not a black and white thing. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old.
RE: (313) Morgan Geist interview/the same old
I agree with you on all of that Kent, except this bit: This isn't the place to debate it, obviously, but the fact is that high-bitrate MP3s can't be distinguished from CDs in blind listening tests. You can argue that vinyl is superior to both those formats, but in the majority of listening situations the difference in sound between the formats is swamped by the quality of the playback equipment. If you come to a club like the one we use and play mp3s, you will soon notice 'The Look' from people out there on the floor. It just becomes bloomin' obvious on a good system when you sling on lossy files. For it to not become obvious *everybody* would have to play mp3s - but then why bother when you can get better quality by using higher-bitrate, albeit having to invest in more storage capacity [I'm not mentioning vinyl, note! ;-)] * NB, I for one have no reluctance to not have this debate every time it comes up. The reason why it keeps coming up is that it's important to us - and I would add before someone picks me up on it, it's well on topic too, imo -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:09 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview This isn't the place to debate it, obviously, but the fact is that high-bitrate MP3s can't be distinguished from CDs in blind listening tests. You can argue that vinyl is superior to both those formats, but in the majority of listening situations the difference in sound between the formats is swamped by the quality of the playback equipment. And to your second point, as someone who has literally run out of room in my house for vinyl and CDs (and by 'literally' I mean literally literally, and it's not a small house), I am really happy with having my music on hard disk. It's searchable in a way my CDs and vinyl never will be. You have to be paranoid about backing it up, but it's a more manageable way to handle a large collection. And to the third point -- artist compensation -- with a few exceptions, few people make a good living out of music, and that was just as true 100 years ago as now. Technology has upset how musicians make their living over and over again. Some people adapt and do OK, and some people get bitter and complain. Musicians complaining about people not paying for their music shouldn't make the same mistake Software publishers and Major labels do -- every illicit copy does not represent a lost sale. Studies indicate the biggest downloaders are also the biggest spenders when it comes to music. And someone who hears your music, no matter the context, is more likely to purchase it than someone who has never heard it. Even before the bottom fell out of the dance vinyl market, DJs and producers made more money from playing out than vinyl sales. Now, when music is no longer made artificially scarce by being tied to a physical object, it remains true that a live performance is the only irreplaceable, unreproducable thing. It seems to me that isn't a completely bad thing, either. I don't say this to justify something-for-nothing deadbeats that never pay for music, just to point out that it's not a black and white thing. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old.
Re: (313) brief survey
Im listening to Louis Haiman's latest album life after people. Louis was cool enough to post it in its entirety on: http://infinitestatemachine.com/ Louis resides in San Diego and has tracks released on lables like Transmat, Aw-recordings, and his own fwdthought label. Exceptional album. Exceptional artist. On Thu, September 25, 2008 3:04 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you all listening to right at this second? Please include format. (LP, CD, streaming mp3, podcast, etc) Thanks! m50
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
You know, as much as I absolutely love Morgan Geist's music and respect him as an artist, I don't see him as a total victim in his anxiety stroll. A mutual friend of ours in Chicago told me about how he just wants to record music (not play shows) and how he's considering quitting music (same rant as the interview). Well, he says in his interview that Listening to music isn't an event anymore unless it's live. But he's not willing to play live. So, he thinks it's best for people to hear his music live (where they have to pay for the show!!) but he's not willing to give them that opportunity. The whole history of music up until the 20th century was based off of musicians playing for an audience. Only since the advent of recordings was selling a copy of a performance even and option. Ask any successful band or DJ and they will tell you that playing shows is the only viable option for supporting yourself off music right now. I don't think this is totally a bad thing. It should be an honor to play for people who enjoy your music (like Morgan says, he feels lucky that people pay attention to his music). Anyways, my point is Morgan Geist hasn't dropped a record in 11 years and doesn't want to play live- that's the root of his predicament. He has a great new record and *it's up to him* to make more music and play shows to get by financially. Or, as the original post said, take a break. He's a talented, blessed guy, I'm sorry to hear him sound so unhappy. On Sep 26, 2008, at 9:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
This is all true if you are looking at the problem and not the cause. But if you look at the roots of the problem, it is the same issue that has plagued the music business since it's inception. Intellectual property, what it is, and how you market it. That is the music business. Focusing on performance, saying shut up and perform and be a real worker, is an easy way to make irrelevant the last 120 years; I don't see that as a reasonable conclusion, it's purely pragmatic, and a rather outdated approach. It glazes over the intellectual property aspect which is fundamental. For example -- is writing worthless, then? If you can write music but can't perform it, you're just sh*t out of luck in that scenario. Because when music sales fail, when intellectual property can be so easily stolen and appropriated, it subverts other old-fashioned ways of making a living from music such as writing and publishing as well. I appreciate the pragmatic, and that simpler/old-fashioned is better sometimes, but that is not a progressive or entirely relevant position. And blaming the fans/sometimes-customers isn't really a helpful way of figuring out why the market is running into the problems it does. Convenience is impossible to compete with; when something is free, it's ridiculous to expect people to go pay for it anyway. We live in individualistic societies, doing the right thing does not drive markets. I sure wish it did. This is capitalism, and capitalism demands viable products, safeguards that protect that viability, etc (hence we have the RIAA desperately suing people). The internet as we know it may not exist for that much longer. That is the only conclusion I can come to. But I really don't have an answer. If I did I'd be rich and famous.
Re: (313) Ghostly International
Thanks for the suggestions! 2AM/FM: I picked up the first release and was very impressed. Everything that Mullinix puts out under various names has been just great. Dabrye/Cotton/etc. I love putting some of those records on when I'm playing at a house party, although I usually find the more crazy ones a bit harder to mix out of, you know? :) That jack-house stuff is quite fun, though, and I'm glad people are still pushing it here and there. Anyway I'll look up those suggestions, thanks again. -Arturo
Re: (313) new acid junkies -- Crane Dance EP
(Perhaps another obvious question, but... ) Why is there such a vibrant (at least from my perspective) dance music scene in the Netherlands? m50 At 2008.09.20 06:13, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: oh well it is all dutch anyways ;-) Now we are talking dutch techno, some quick eevolute news, comming out soon: East Island - Near Depth EP (next07) Digital only, old school techno/electro in classic eevolute style. All recorded about 10 years ago and recently found again in the Eevolute vaults. Comming out soon... again: 2000 and one - Neverending Cycle (eevo03r) Vinyl/digital, you asked for it, we re-mastered it and finally back on vinyl this highly anticipated classic eevolute record. Cheers! On 20 sep 2008, at 05:21, southernoutpost wrote: Hmp, for some reason I thought it was Acid Junkies. I humbly stand corrected! = Southern Outpost http://www.southernoutpost.com Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin Infiltrating your sound systems = On Sep 19, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah but Straight Trippin is a Terrace track ;-) On 19 sep 2008, at 02:53, Southern Outpost wrote: wow, that's a trip (pun intended ;) Haven't heard much from Acid Junkies since that incredible track years ago Straight Trippin' P. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:42 PM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a note on facebook from Stefan about this, and grabbed it immediately from Beatport, where it appears to be cheapest (in the US). You can probably do better in Europe with http://www.junodownload.com/ppps/products/ 1345664-02.htm Stefan's stuff as Florence, Sierra Romeo, etc is a little more contemplative and chill. Acid Junkies is straight up dirty jacking fun on Crane Dance. -- -- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com --
Re: (313) Free Kenny Larkin
On 9/26/08, Placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ooh I thought he'd been banged up.. a la grooverider... At first glance, that's what I caught, too...aw geez..what could Kenny have done? I'll gladly take free choons, tho m -- Play more things that make me dance around and less things that make me sit and look miserable in a plastic chair - Brian Eno Blind faith in bad leadership is not Patriotism.
Re: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE
stop requesting read receipts for list email - Original Message - From: Williams, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: RE: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE Kent, Just enable HTML, and save yourself the Heartache... :-) G -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2008 14:17 To: list 313 Subject: (313) PLEASE SEND PLAIN TEXT PLEASE There was a blizzard of bounces in my inbox this morning because of people sending rich text/html/multipart mime messages. Usually I email everyone individually to remind them to send messages plain text. Not up for it today. SET YOUR MAIL CLIENT TO PLAIN TEXT FOR 313 EMAILS. Don't know how? Google the name of your mail program and 'plain text.' Don't know what plain text means? Send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for an explanation.
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
It's a tough discussion, and I'm still wrestling with my opinions. On one hand, I respect anyone trying to make a living making music. It's a tough road (especially for electronic music), and having your property stolen (downloaded for free) when you need it to pay bills is a bitter pill to deal with. I want professional artists to be able to earn a living making good music. On the other hand though, It just naturally irks me how much money the top artists make, for doing something most of us have a lot of fun doing for free or very little compensation. That's easy for me to say, though, since no one is offering me thousands of dollars to go play records overseas for a few hours at a time (haha), I'm not running a successful label selling lots of music to people, and I'm not trying to earn a living through music. These aren't new issues, and I think these things obviously depend a lot on what vantage point you are viewing them from. On the rare occasions I've been paid for djing, it instantly felt different than when I'm just goofing off at some house party with other local djs. As soon as money was involved it just felt different. Maybe because I have a career that has nothing to do with music (I'm an Architect), I can have the luxury of keeping music in that 'pure' space where it's not about getting paid. -End Rant- Arturo
Re: (313) in Chicago
Hell ya! As a big fan of sonic sunset I'm excited to hear music from Siska. I'll probably be drinking next door at the Gingerman before the show (one of the few bars worth your time in that neighborhood). I live a few blocks from Smartbar so hopefully I'll check it out. Maybe I'll throw on my DEMF jacket for extra nerd points that night -Arturo yeah, that'll be nice. Any 313/312'ers that wanna hang, I'm down. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:38 AM, John Sokolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was just announced last week: At SmartBar: 10/16 - Convextion (live), Dave Siska, Chris Widman, Jeff Pietro, Merrick Brown Talk about a can't miss event!
RE: (313) Morgan Geist interview
This is a nice selection... I just listened to the samples through about 20 times last night, whatever you think about the album, there's a pretty strong vision there... http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/304896-01.htm -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:09 AM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview This isn't the place to debate it, obviously, but the fact is that high-bitrate MP3s can't be distinguished from CDs in blind listening tests. You can argue that vinyl is superior to both those formats, but in the majority of listening situations the difference in sound between the formats is swamped by the quality of the playback equipment. And to your second point, as someone who has literally run out of room in my house for vinyl and CDs (and by 'literally' I mean literally literally, and it's not a small house), I am really happy with having my music on hard disk. It's searchable in a way my CDs and vinyl never will be. You have to be paranoid about backing it up, but it's a more manageable way to handle a large collection. And to the third point -- artist compensation -- with a few exceptions, few people make a good living out of music, and that was just as true 100 years ago as now. Technology has upset how musicians make their living over and over again. Some people adapt and do OK, and some people get bitter and complain. Musicians complaining about people not paying for their music shouldn't make the same mistake Software publishers and Major labels do -- every illicit copy does not represent a lost sale. Studies indicate the biggest downloaders are also the biggest spenders when it comes to music. And someone who hears your music, no matter the context, is more likely to purchase it than someone who has never heard it. Even before the bottom fell out of the dance vinyl market, DJs and producers made more money from playing out than vinyl sales. Now, when music is no longer made artificially scarce by being tied to a physical object, it remains true that a live performance is the only irreplaceable, unreproducable thing. It seems to me that isn't a completely bad thing, either. I don't say this to justify something-for-nothing deadbeats that never pay for music, just to point out that it's not a black and white thing. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1694 - Release Date: 9/26/2008 6:55 PM
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Scorn has been one of my faves through the years and I've loved how much
the music has changed over time, yet the essence of it persists.
The sound in the video unfortunately was singular and one-dimensional.
You couldn't really hear the backing sounds, which is where his magic
lies. The video didn't even hint at the glories Mick Harris is capable
of bringing to the table.
Regardless, I love that the video included footage of the Swans from a
period when they were still respectable...
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Martin Dust wrote:
Here's another one from Mick Harris:
http://www.oc-tv.net/scorn,mick-harris.htm
Wonderful stuff
m
