Re: MAGIC017 - Placid Angles "First Blue Sky" LP - SoundCloud
Just got around to hearing this album for the first time. John Beltram really nailed it om this one. On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 2:21 AM Aidan O'Doherty wrote: > Listen to MAGIC017 - Placid Angles "First Blue Sky" LP by Magicwire #np on > #SoundCloud > https://soundcloud.com/magicwire/magic017-placid-angles-first-blue-sky-lp >
RE: the noise level on this list
You’re doing a “great” job at moderating this list… From: kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 June 2020 21:54 To: Kevin Kennedy Cc: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: the noise level on this list As it happens, the only real power in this world is to pass judgement on what is considered valid things to post on the 313 list. I have considered briefs from both sides and I rule in favor of you posting whatever the f*ck you want. On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:45 PM Kevin Kennedy mailto:the...@gmail.com> > wrote: Fred, I am both problem and solution. I've gotten to a point where I won't even post my own work up here,or share the works of my contemporaries... mainly because I'm always afraid it won't be 'Detroit' enough. To have a judgement free forum, silence is necessary. I'm not quite ready to shut up. On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:40 PM Fred Heutte mailto:ph...@sunlightdata.com> > wrote: The noise level and disrespect on this list are unbearable. Check yourselves and consider: are you part of the problem or are you part of the solution? peace fh --- It was always about the music: Is it hot or is it not? -- Electrifying Mojo
Re: the noise level on this list
MY only real power. On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM kent williams wrote: > As it happens, the only real power in this world is to pass judgement on > what is considered valid things to post on the 313 list. > > I have considered briefs from both sides and I rule in favor of you > posting whatever the f*ck you want. > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:45 PM Kevin Kennedy wrote: > >> Fred, I am both problem and solution. >> >> I've gotten to a point where I won't even post my own work up here,or >> share the works of my contemporaries... mainly because I'm always afraid it >> won't be 'Detroit' enough. >> >> To have a judgement free forum, silence is necessary. >> >> I'm not quite ready to shut up. >> >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:40 PM Fred Heutte wrote: >> >>> The noise level and disrespect on this list are unbearable. Check >>> yourselves and consider: are you part of the problem or are you >>> part of the solution? >>> >>> peace >>> >>> fh >>> >>> --- >>> >>> It was always about the music: >>> Is it hot or is it not? >>> -- Electrifying Mojo >>> >>>
Re: the noise level on this list
As it happens, the only real power in this world is to pass judgement on what is considered valid things to post on the 313 list. I have considered briefs from both sides and I rule in favor of you posting whatever the f*ck you want. On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:45 PM Kevin Kennedy wrote: > Fred, I am both problem and solution. > > I've gotten to a point where I won't even post my own work up here,or > share the works of my contemporaries... mainly because I'm always afraid it > won't be 'Detroit' enough. > > To have a judgement free forum, silence is necessary. > > I'm not quite ready to shut up. > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:40 PM Fred Heutte wrote: > >> The noise level and disrespect on this list are unbearable. Check >> yourselves and consider: are you part of the problem or are you >> part of the solution? >> >> peace >> >> fh >> >> --- >> >> It was always about the music: >> Is it hot or is it not? >> -- Electrifying Mojo >> >>
Serious Discussion--SciFi and AfroFuturism in techno
Can we have a serious discussion about the direction of the music? One thing I've noticed over the years is that it appears that many of the SciFi and AfroFuturist themes that I associate with Detroit techno have gradually disappeared from the music over the years. Why do you think this is? Has the meaning of techno changed in some ways? Is this a response to the fact that we are living in dystopian times and people have given up on the future? (If I'm wrong PLEASE tell me where I can find recent music along these lines, because I love it.) ~David
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
From the discussions that we had in 95 to now. We’ve come a long way in many respects and gone backwards in so many others. I’ve got my own children to tend to. Thanks, I’m out. Unsubscribe. R1. BENN GLAZIER b...@bennglazier.com (mailto:b...@bennglazier.com) / BENNGLAZIER.COM (http://bennglazier.com/) / @BENNGLAZIER (http://www.twitter.com/bennglazier) / +44 (0) 7714 300018 > > On Jun 26, 2020 at 6:47 pm, (mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond (mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > > > At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know > > where we are right here. > > > > > > > > > > Denise > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net > > (mailto:3...@coke-smyth.net)> wrote: > > > > > Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the > > > basis of being a female black academic. > > > > > > Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. > > > > > > $0.02 > > > > > > B-) > > > > > > On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: > > > > You said it well. > > > > > > > > Denise deserves respect and attention.I've made myself clear in > > > the > > > > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even > > > > posting that on-list. > > > > > > > > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me > > > > directly, I'll read and respond. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy > > (mailto:the...@gmail.com)> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention > > > >> when I can. > > > >> > > > >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > > > >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information > > > >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and > > > >> some we're not. > > > >> > > > >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > > > >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be > > > >> one of a noble and humble nature.Most people don't have the time > > > >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and > > > >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. > > > >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are > > > >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. > > > >> > > > >> That said, I LOVEDr. Denise, and you all should know that she > > > >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also > > > >> her life's work.If many had as much passion and persistence to > > > >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. > > > >> > > > >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel.It's > > > >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out > > > >> things I don't like.I've recently done an interview with Peter > > > >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I > > > >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. > > > >> > > > >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more > > > >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a > > > >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential.We > > > >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, > > > >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to > > > >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they > > > >> share are in some way not. > > > >> > > > >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > > > >> understand one another.We have to come together like buttcheeks > > > >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a > > > >> daily basis.We're all here on this list for the music first-But > > > we > > > >> can also learn from each other. > > > >> > > > >> I sincerely hope all of you are well.FBK out. > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > > > >> mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > > > >> > > > >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good > > > >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of > > > >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > > > >> > > > >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make > > >
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
You know what? Same here. I know announcing your departure is wack but in my case I wanted to since I’ve been pretty combative towards her majesty. So in case folks here don’t like me or my replies, wanted to let them know I won’t be around any more to interrupt your experience. Have fun with the list On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:47 AM Rob Taylor wrote: > I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond > wrote: > >> At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know >> where we are right here. >> >> Denise >> >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >> >>> Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the >>> basis of being a female black academic. >>> >>> Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. >>> >>> $0.02 >>> >>> B-) >>> >>> On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: >>> > You said it well. >>> > >>> > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the >>> > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even >>> > posting that on-list. >>> > >>> > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me >>> > directly, I'll read and respond. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention >>> >> when I can. >>> >> >>> >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that >>> >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information >>> >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and >>> >> some we're not. >>> >> >>> >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways >>> >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be >>> >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time >>> >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and >>> >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. >>> >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are >>> >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. >>> >> >>> >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she >>> >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also >>> >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to >>> >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. >>> >> >>> >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's >>> >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out >>> >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter >>> >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I >>> >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. >>> >> >>> >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more >>> >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a >>> >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We >>> >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, >>> >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to >>> >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they >>> >> share are in some way not. >>> >> >>> >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to >>> >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks >>> >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a >>> >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we >>> >> can also learn from each other. >>> >> >>> >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. >>> >> >>> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good >>> >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of >>> >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. >>> >> >>> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make >>> >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. >>> >> >>> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never >>> >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list >>> >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with >>> >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not >>> >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally >>> >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. >>> >> >>> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the >>> >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, >>> >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. >>> >> >>> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship >>> >> dealing with black music, and no one
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: > At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know > where we are right here. > > Denise > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > >> Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the >> basis of being a female black academic. >> >> Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. >> >> $0.02 >> >> B-) >> >> On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: >> > You said it well. >> > >> > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the >> > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even >> > posting that on-list. >> > >> > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me >> > directly, I'll read and respond. >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention >> >> when I can. >> >> >> >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that >> >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information >> >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and >> >> some we're not. >> >> >> >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways >> >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be >> >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time >> >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and >> >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. >> >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are >> >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. >> >> >> >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she >> >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also >> >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to >> >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. >> >> >> >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's >> >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out >> >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter >> >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I >> >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. >> >> >> >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more >> >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a >> >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We >> >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, >> >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to >> >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they >> >> share are in some way not. >> >> >> >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to >> >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks >> >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a >> >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we >> >> can also learn from each other. >> >> >> >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. >> >> >> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good >> >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of >> >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. >> >> >> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make >> >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. >> >> >> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never >> >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list >> >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with >> >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not >> >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally >> >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. >> >> >> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the >> >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, >> >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. >> >> >> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship >> >> dealing with black music, and no one should. >> >> >> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it >> >> about you, not about the music or the people. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >> >> Allgxxd >> >> >> >> I hear you essay >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >> >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >> >>> >> >>> -- Forwarded message - >> >>> From: DANIEL BEAN >> >>>
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know where we are right here. Denise On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the > basis of being a female black academic. > > Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. > > $0.02 > > B-) > > On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: > > You said it well. > > > > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the > > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even > > posting that on-list. > > > > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me > > directly, I'll read and respond. > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy > > wrote: > > > >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention > >> when I can. > >> > >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information > >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and > >> some we're not. > >> > >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be > >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time > >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and > >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. > >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are > >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. > >> > >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she > >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also > >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to > >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. > >> > >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's > >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out > >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter > >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I > >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. > >> > >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more > >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a > >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We > >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, > >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to > >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they > >> share are in some way not. > >> > >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks > >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a > >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we > >> can also learn from each other. > >> > >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > >> wrote: > >> > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > >> > >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good > >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of > >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > >> > >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make > >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. > >> > >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never > >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list > >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with > >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not > >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally > >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. > >> > >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the > >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, > >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. > >> > >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship > >> dealing with black music, and no one should. > >> > >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it > >> about you, not about the music or the people. > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > >> Allgxxd > >> > >> I hear you essay > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: > >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. > >>> > >>> -- Forwarded message - > >>> From: DANIEL BEAN > >>> Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) > >>> To: Denise Dalphond > >>> > >>> Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow > >> ignore > >>> race in
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
The Associated Press now capitalizes the B in Black, so proper grammar would be Black female scholar. However, I’m white. I’m more welcome here because I’m smarter and prettier. Denise Dalphond On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the > basis of being a female black academic. > > Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. > > $0.02 > > B-) > > On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: > > You said it well. > > > > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the > > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even > > posting that on-list. > > > > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me > > directly, I'll read and respond. > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy > > wrote: > > > >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention > >> when I can. > >> > >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information > >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and > >> some we're not. > >> > >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be > >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time > >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and > >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. > >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are > >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. > >> > >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she > >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also > >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to > >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. > >> > >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's > >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out > >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter > >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I > >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. > >> > >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more > >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a > >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We > >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, > >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to > >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they > >> share are in some way not. > >> > >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks > >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a > >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we > >> can also learn from each other. > >> > >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > >> wrote: > >> > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > >> > >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good > >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of > >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > >> > >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make > >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. > >> > >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never > >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list > >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with > >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not > >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally > >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. > >> > >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the > >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, > >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. > >> > >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship > >> dealing with black music, and no one should. > >> > >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it > >> about you, not about the music or the people. > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > >> Allgxxd > >> > >> I hear you essay > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: > >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. > >>> > >>> -- Forwarded message - > >>> From: DANIEL BEAN > >>> Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM > >>> Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) > >>> To: Denise Dalphond > >>> >
Re: the noise level on this list
Kevin, in my opinion, you of all people should post your music here. Only an insecure hater would have a problem with that. Your music fits in just fine with the harder side of Detroit techno--Mills, Hood, Denham, etc... ~David On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 6:45 PM Kevin Kennedy wrote: > Fred, I am both problem and solution. > > I've gotten to a point where I won't even post my own work up here,or > share the works of my contemporaries... mainly because I'm always afraid it > won't be 'Detroit' enough. > > To have a judgement free forum, silence is necessary. > > I'm not quite ready to shut up. > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:40 PM Fred Heutte wrote: > >> The noise level and disrespect on this list are unbearable. Check >> yourselves and consider: are you part of the problem or are you >> part of the solution? >> >> peace >> >> fh >> >> --- >> >> It was always about the music: >> Is it hot or is it not? >> -- Electrifying Mojo >> >>
Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the basis of being a female black academic. Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. $0.02 B-) On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: You said it well. Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even posting that on-list. I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me directly, I'll read and respond. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy wrote: I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention when I can. For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and some we're not. Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I realized that denigrating people can be messy. DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more person to understand better the history of this music and have a better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they share are in some way not. I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we can also learn from each other. I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams wrote: On the one hand, Denise has valid points. On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without making other people want to leave the 313 list. I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification' uncomfortable. I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, but regular list members only see what's on the list. No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing with black music, and no one should. But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about you, not about the music or the people. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: Allgxxd I hear you essay Cheers On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. -- Forwarded message - From: DANIEL BEAN Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) To: Denise Dalphond Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is ludicrous, especially at the moment. On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond wrote: Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it professionally. So, s. Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. And why didn’t you get
Re: the noise level on this list
Gabba on. interesting times.. peace C On 2020-06-26 00:44, Kevin Kennedy wrote: Fred, I am both problem and solution. I've gotten to a point where I won't even post my own work up here,or share the works of my contemporaries... mainly because I'm always afraid it won't be 'Detroit' enough. To have a judgement free forum, silence is necessary. I'm not quite ready to shut up. On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:40 PM Fred Heutte wrote: The noise level and disrespect on this list are unbearable. Check yourselves and consider: are you part of the problem or are you part of the solution? peace fh --- It was always about the music: Is it hot or is it not? -- Electrifying Mojo
Kevin Saunderson in Billboard
https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/dance/9408240/kevin-saunderson-dance-music-scene-failing-black-artists-interview
