You know what? Same here. I know announcing your departure is wack but in my case I wanted to since I’ve been pretty combative towards her majesty. So in case folks here don’t like me or my replies, wanted to let them know I won’t be around any more to interrupt your experience.
Have fun with the list 🍻 On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:47 AM Rob Taylor <barringtonphelo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know >> where we are right here. >> >> Denise >> >> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >> >>> Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the >>> basis of being a female black academic. >>> >>> Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. >>> >>> $0.02 >>> >>> B-) >>> >>> On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: >>> > You said it well. >>> > >>> > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the >>> > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even >>> > posting that on-list. >>> > >>> > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me >>> > directly, I'll read and respond. >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy <the...@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention >>> >> when I can. >>> >> >>> >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that >>> >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information >>> >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and >>> >> some we're not. >>> >> >>> >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways >>> >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be >>> >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time >>> >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and >>> >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. >>> >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are >>> >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. >>> >> >>> >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she >>> >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also >>> >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to >>> >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. >>> >> >>> >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's >>> >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out >>> >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter >>> >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I >>> >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. >>> >> >>> >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more >>> >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a >>> >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We >>> >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, >>> >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to >>> >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they >>> >> share are in some way not. >>> >> >>> >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to >>> >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks >>> >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a >>> >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we >>> >> can also learn from each other. >>> >> >>> >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams >>> >> <chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. >>> >> >>> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good >>> >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of >>> >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. >>> >> >>> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make >>> >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. >>> >> >>> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never >>> >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list >>> >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with >>> >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not >>> >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally >>> >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. >>> >> >>> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the >>> >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, >>> >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. >>> >> >>> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship >>> >> dealing with black music, and no one should. >>> >> >>> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it >>> >> about you, not about the music or the people. >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >>> >> Allgxxd >>> >> >>> >> I hear you essay >>> >> >>> >> Cheers >>> >> >>> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >>> >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> >>> From: DANIEL BEAN <danbean....@gmail.com> >>> >>> Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >>> >>> To: Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow >>> >> ignore >>> >>> race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) >>> >> is >>> >>> ludicrous, especially at the moment. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond >>> >>> <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. >>> >> Did >>> >>>> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart >>> >> of >>> >>>> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. >>> >>>> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help >>> >> her >>> >>>> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it >>> >>>> professionally. So, shhhh. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what >>> >> is >>> >>>> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Denise Dalphond >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd <sjoerdvell...@gmail.com> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump >>> >> on? >>> >>>> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common >>> >>>> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow >>> >> division >>> >>>> between people by this racebaiting. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black >>> >> or >>> >>>> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the >>> >>>> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of >>> >>>> life. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the >>> >>>> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time >>> >> and >>> >>>> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move >>> >> forward >>> >>>> in time, the more I realize that the future about this >>> >> technological >>> >>>> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the >>> >> origins >>> >>>> of Techno in the Motorcity. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond >>> >>>> <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What >>> >> do >>> >>>> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the >>> >> Dancecult >>> >>>> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Denise >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke >>> >>>> <andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Dweller Electronics >>> >>>> >>> >>>> writings from a black perspective >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, >>> >>>> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We >>> >> have >>> >>>> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find >>> >> more >>> >>>> relevant work. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” >>> >> and >>> >>>> “Audio/Visual”. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >>> >>> ethnomusicologist >>> >>> schoolcraftwax.work [1] [1] >>> >>> >>> >>> Links: >>> >>> ------ >>> >>> [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work >>> > >>> > -- >>> > FBK >>> > >>> > Absoloop/Orange 82 >>> > >>> > >>> > Links: >>> > ------ >>> > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work >>> >>> -- >> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >> ethnomusicologist >> schoolcraftwax.work >> >
