I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention
when I can.
For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that
happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information
about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and
some we're not.
Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways
incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be
one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time
in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and
take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject.
Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are
curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded.
That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she
'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also
her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to
rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do.
Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's
taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out
things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter
Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I
realized that denigrating people can be messy.
DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more
person to understand better the history of this music and have a
better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We
must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should,
and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to
find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they
share are in some way not.
I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to
understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks
instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a
daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we
can also learn from each other.
I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams
<chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote:
On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good
for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of
black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
without making other people want to leave the 313 list.
I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never
banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list
is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with
people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not
the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally
attacked without justification' uncomfortable.
I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the
time with complaints about other list members. Those are private,
but regular list members only see what's on the list.
No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship
dealing with black music, and no one should.
But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it
about you, not about the music or the people.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
Allgxxd
I hear you essay
Cheers
On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
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From: DANIEL BEAN <danbean....@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
To: Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com>
Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow
ignore
race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter)
is
ludicrous, especially at the moment.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond
<denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense.
Did
you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart
of
Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that.
That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help
her
with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it
professionally. So, shhhh.
Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what
is
changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself.
And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it?
Denise Dalphond
On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd <sjoerdvell...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump
on?
For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common
ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow
division
between people by this racebaiting.
I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black
or
White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the
message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of
life.
Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the
subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time
and
effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move
forward
in time, the more I realize that the future about this
technological
dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the
origins
of Techno in the Motorcity.
On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond
<denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What
do
they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the
Dancecult
website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/
Denise
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke
<andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dweller Electronics
writings from a black perspective
Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles,
interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We
have
compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find
more
relevant work.
It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading”
and
“Audio/Visual”.
https://dwellerforever.blog/library
--
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work [1] [1]
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