I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know > where we are right here. > > Denise > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: > >> Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the >> basis of being a female black academic. >> >> Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. >> >> $0.02 >> >> B-) >> >> On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: >> > You said it well. >> > >> > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in the >> > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even >> > posting that on-list. >> > >> > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me >> > directly, I'll read and respond. >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy <the...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention >> >> when I can. >> >> >> >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that >> >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information >> >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and >> >> some we're not. >> >> >> >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways >> >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be >> >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time >> >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and >> >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. >> >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are >> >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. >> >> >> >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she >> >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also >> >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to >> >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. >> >> >> >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's >> >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out >> >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter >> >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I >> >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. >> >> >> >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more >> >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a >> >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We >> >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, >> >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to >> >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they >> >> share are in some way not. >> >> >> >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to >> >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks >> >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a >> >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But we >> >> can also learn from each other. >> >> >> >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams >> >> <chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. >> >> >> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good >> >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of >> >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. >> >> >> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make >> >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. >> >> >> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never >> >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list >> >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with >> >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And not >> >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally >> >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. >> >> >> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the >> >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, >> >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. >> >> >> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship >> >> dealing with black music, and no one should. >> >> >> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it >> >> about you, not about the music or the people. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote: >> >> Allgxxd >> >> >> >> I hear you essay >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: >> >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. >> >>> >> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> >>> From: DANIEL BEAN <danbean....@gmail.com> >> >>> Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) >> >>> To: Denise Dalphond <denisedalph...@gmail.com> >> >>> >> >>> Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow >> >> ignore >> >>> race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) >> >> is >> >>> ludicrous, especially at the moment. >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond >> >>> <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. >> >> Did >> >>>> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart >> >> of >> >>>> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. >> >>>> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help >> >> her >> >>>> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it >> >>>> professionally. So, shhhh. >> >>>> >> >>>> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what >> >> is >> >>>> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. >> >>>> >> >>>> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? >> >>>> >> >>>> Denise Dalphond >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd <sjoerdvell...@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump >> >> on? >> >>>> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common >> >>>> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow >> >> division >> >>>> between people by this racebaiting. >> >>>> >> >>>> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black >> >> or >> >>>> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the >> >>>> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of >> >>>> life. >> >>>> >> >>>> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the >> >>>> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time >> >> and >> >>>> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move >> >> forward >> >>>> in time, the more I realize that the future about this >> >> technological >> >>>> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the >> >> origins >> >>>> of Techno in the Motorcity. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond >> >>>> <denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What >> >> do >> >>>> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the >> >> Dancecult >> >>>> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >> >>>> >> >>>> Denise >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke >> >>>> <andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Dweller Electronics >> >>>> >> >>>> writings from a black perspective >> >>>> >> >>>> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, >> >>>> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We >> >> have >> >>>> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find >> >> more >> >>>> relevant work. >> >>>> >> >>>> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” >> >> and >> >>>> “Audio/Visual”. >> >>>> >> >>>> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >> >>> -- >> >>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >> >>> ethnomusicologist >> >>> schoolcraftwax.work [1] [1] >> >>> >> >>> Links: >> >>> ------ >> >>> [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work >> > >> > -- >> > FBK >> > >> > Absoloop/Orange 82 >> > >> > >> > Links: >> > ------ >> > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work >> >> -- > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > ethnomusicologist > schoolcraftwax.work >
