From the discussions that we had in 95 to now. We’ve come a long way in many respects and gone backwards in so many others.
I’ve got my own children to tend to. Thanks, I’m out. Unsubscribe. R1. ---- BENN GLAZIER [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) / BENNGLAZIER.COM (http://bennglazier.com/) / @BENNGLAZIER (http://www.twitter.com/bennglazier) / +44 (0) 7714 300018 > > On Jun 26, 2020 at 6:47 pm, <Rob Taylor > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond <[email protected] > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > > > At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know > > where we are right here. > > > > > > > > > > Denise > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <[email protected] > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > > Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the > > > basis of being a female black academic. > > > > > > Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers. > > > > > > $0.02 > > > > > > B-) > > > > > > On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote: > > > > You said it well. > > > > > > > > Denise deserves respect and attention. I've made myself clear in > > > the > > > > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even > > > > posting that on-list. > > > > > > > > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me > > > > directly, I'll read and respond. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy <[email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected])> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention > > > >> when I can. > > > >> > > > >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that > > > >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information > > > >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and > > > >> some we're not. > > > >> > > > >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways > > > >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be > > > >> one of a noble and humble nature. Most people don't have the time > > > >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and > > > >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject. > > > >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are > > > >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded. > > > >> > > > >> That said, I LOVE Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she > > > >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also > > > >> her life's work. If many had as much passion and persistence to > > > >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do. > > > >> > > > >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel. It's > > > >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out > > > >> things I don't like. I've recently done an interview with Peter > > > >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I > > > >> realized that denigrating people can be messy. > > > >> > > > >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more > > > >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a > > > >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential. We > > > >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should, > > > >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to > > > >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they > > > >> share are in some way not. > > > >> > > > >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to > > > >> understand one another. We have to come together like buttcheeks > > > >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a > > > >> daily basis. We're all here on this list for the music first-But > > > we > > > >> can also learn from each other. > > > >> > > > >> I sincerely hope all of you are well. FBK out. > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams > > > >> <[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points. > > > >> > > > >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good > > > >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of > > > >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion. > > > >> > > > >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make > > > >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list. > > > >> > > > >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never > > > >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list > > > >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with > > > >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable. And > > > not > > > >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally > > > >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable. > > > >> > > > >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the > > > >> time with complaints about other list members. Those are private, > > > >> but regular list members only see what's on the list. > > > >> > > > >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship > > > >> dealing with black music, and no one should. > > > >> > > > >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it > > > >> about you, not about the music or the people. > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <[email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > >> Allgxxd > > > >> > > > >> I hear you essay > > > >> > > > >> Cheers > > > >> > > > >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote: > > > >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list. > > > >>> > > > >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > > >>> From: DANIEL BEAN <[email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected])> > > > >>> Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM > > > >>> Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed) > > > >>> To: Denise Dalphond <[email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected])> > > > >>> > > > >>> Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow > > > >> ignore > > > >>> race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) > > > >> is > > > >>> ludicrous, especially at the moment. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond > > > >>> <[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])> > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. > > > >> Did > > > >>>> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart > > > >> of > > > >>>> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. > > > >>>> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help > > > >> her > > > >>>> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it > > > >>>> professionally. So, shhhh. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what > > > >> is > > > >>>> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Denise Dalphond > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd <[email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected])> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump > > > >> on? > > > >>>> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common > > > >>>> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow > > > >> division > > > >>>> between people by this racebaiting. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black > > > >> or > > > >>>> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the > > > >>>> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of > > > >>>> life. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the > > > >>>> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time > > > >> and > > > >>>> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move > > > >> forward > > > >>>> in time, the more I realize that the future about this > > > >> technological > > > >>>> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the > > > >> origins > > > >>>> of Techno in the Motorcity. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond > > > >>>> <[email protected] (mailto:[email protected])> > > > wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What > > > >> do > > > >>>> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the > > > >> Dancecult > > > >>>> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Denise > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke > > > >>>> <[email protected] > > > (mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dweller Electronics > > > >>>> > > > >>>> writings from a black perspective > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, > > > >>>> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We > > > >> have > > > >>>> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find > > > >> more > > > >>>> relevant work. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” > > > >> and > > > >>>> “Audio/Visual”. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> https://dwellerforever.blog/library > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > > > >>> ethnomusicologist > > > >>> schoolcraftwax.work (http://schoolcraftwax.work) [1] [1] > > > >>> > > > >>> Links: > > > >>> ------ > > > >>> [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work > > > > > > > > -- > > > > FBK > > > > > > > > Absoloop/Orange 82 > > > > > > > > > > > > Links: > > > > ------ > > > > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work > > > > > -- > > > > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. > > ethnomusicologist > > schoolcraftwax.work (http://schoolcraftwax.work)
