Re: Everybody recommends me this
Bummer about the list being used for spam, huh. Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Feb 3, 2019, at 03:50, Lauren D. via 313 <313@hyperreal.org> wrote: > > It shows such a great results http://present.homeprowv.com > > > Lauren D. >
Re: Detroit visit
Definitely go to Submerge. Maybe that was already in your plans. Spectacles Dilla’s Donuts Anytime you visit Detroit is a wonderful time. Visit Belle Isle. Even in the cold. It’s beautiful. And then Detroit’s Metro Times and Real Detroit, both newspapers, have pretty good visitors guides on their websites - like for food and record stores. Marble Bar is often good for music. Have fun! Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Jan 31, 2019, at 16:57, Neal Reianlda wrote: > > Hi 313ers, > My partner and I will be in Detroit Feb 8th - 12th (crazy time to visit I > kno lol) anything cool to do/check out? I've never been before! any all > recommendations welcome :) > > cheers, > -Neal
Re: Dan Bell is playing in Detroit on Friday
The only time I’ve been to marble bar was when a man I was hanging out with was playing with his band called Johnny Ill Band. They opened for TOPS who were amazing. Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Dec 19, 2018, at 22:00, John Sokolowski wrote: > > Yes! I am in town this weekend and plan to attend as well. Excited. > > Caught Omar S play at the same spot in early fall. It was outside on the > patio. His bag was packed with Dance Mania, Jefferson Ave, Databass, The 2 > Live Crew, and similar Filthy Fabulous jams. > > On Dec 19, 2018, at 8:21 PM, "denisedalph...@gmail.com" > wrote: > >> At a pretty sweet spot called Marble Bar. AND Norm Talley. AND Mike Servito. >> I’m taking my youngest kid to a basketball game on Saturday. Hopefully I >> won’t feel too old lady tired the night before and will make it out to this >> party. I need to go out where I barely have to talk to anyone and can dance >> in a dark club to Dan Bell. >> >> >> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. >> ethnomusicologist >> schoolcraftwax.work
Dan Bell is playing in Detroit on Friday
At a pretty sweet spot called Marble Bar. AND Norm Talley. AND Mike Servito. I’m taking my youngest kid to a basketball game on Saturday. Hopefully I won’t feel too old lady tired the night before and will make it out to this party. I need to go out where I barely have to talk to anyone and can dance in a dark club to Dan Bell. Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work
Re: The Hydra
I love Octave One. A few years ago, Paxahau actually gave me a press pass and I got to stand on the stage behind Octave One watching them play. And filming it. They are geniuses. Obviously. Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Dec 13, 2018, at 17:45, Benn Glazier wrote: > > And don't forget Stingray. > > Yes, I have my ticket and as long as I'm over the flu, I'll be heading down > with a small group. > > > >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 22:35 Jason Brunton wrote: >> >> Anyone going to see big Millsy in London at the weekend? >> >> Octave One too :) >> >> Me, Rei Loci and Clyde (who did all the Iridite artwork) are going down in >> the train so it’s the Iridite Office Xmas night out, come and join us >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone > -- > > -- > b...@bennglazier.com > WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM
Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview
How is talking about Mike Banks off topic on a thread about Mike Banks? My contributions to this listserv are solid. You’re welcome. Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Dec 13, 2018, at 16:04, Arturo Lopez wrote: > > List Moderators need to come down quickly and without mercy on this kind of > bullshit with warning and bans, plenty of us way past annoyed at > uncontroversial threads being consistently hijacked. Keep it on topic, or > start your own thread, or take it private and far far away. > > Peace > -Arturo
Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview
It is my sincere hope that my words make some people on this list laugh. And don’t forget about all the lurkers. Their opinions might be smart, too. Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Dec 13, 2018, at 15:19, "ja...@iridite.com" wrote: > > It's not me that's Unsubbing Joe...it's others. And there's not a huge > amount of traffic on here and as Kent mentioned a few weeks ago, there's a > significant amount of new people on here who's first experience of the > hallowed 313 list is a couple of people bickering endlessly > > That's nothing like the sparky and knowledgeable chats I used to see on here > 15 years ago. > >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 20:16, Joe Marougi wrote: >> I don’t like it when she bullies others. They may be too polite to bite >> back but I’m not. >> >> I’ve received private messages from users in support of my replies. >> >> How about you ignore them? Its not like it happens that often, nor does it >> get in the way of other discussions. >> >> If she can use posts as segways into her self/white hate by directly or >> indirectly baiting us into false race-related angles then why can’t we >> respond? >> >> The Drexciya video thread was a classic example. >> >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM ja...@iridite.com >>> wrote: >>> Denise and Joe, is there no way you can keep your mutual animosity out of this arena? It's seriously off-putting. >>> > On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 17:37, Kent Sandvik wrote: > Threads like this with so much hatred have nothing to do with techno and > Detroit so most likely I will unsubscribe. --Kent > >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:27 AM Manish Miglani >> wrote: >> Please unsubscribe. >> >> >> Manish Miglani >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” Margaret >> Mead >> >>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:25 AM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my shit >>> was so strong. >>> >>> Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR >>> and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book. >>> >>> Love, >>> Denise >>> >>> >>> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. >>> ethnomusicologist >>> schoolcraftwax.work >>> On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi wrote: Her “heart?” You mean her “hate”. She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it. Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate. > On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust > wrote: > Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed > and manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). > Red Bull only exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last > time I looked. > > All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy > sports and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying > for advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy > “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that. > > There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy > when they have a 70% share of the market. > > My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and > “things”, they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not > cheap agencies either. > > I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who > do this on a weekly basis. > > https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU > > > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in > > arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a > > lot. So that’s good for Detroit. > > > > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and > > better questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. > > That’s good for Mike Banks and good for Detroit. > > > > > > > > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. > > ethnomusicologist > > schoolcraftwax.work >
Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview
It does stand for that. They changed the meaning of it because my shit was so strong. Joe, did you read my new article about Drexciya and Moodymann and UR and Theo Parrish? It’s in a book. Love, Denise Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:05, Joe Marougi wrote: > > Her “heart?” > > You mean her “hate”. > > She’s the biggest racist in this group and doesn’t even realize it. > > Her PhD probably stands for profound hate doctorate. > > >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 9:00 AM Martin Dust wrote: >> Red Bull don’t actually make anything, the drink itself is licensed and >> manufactured by the original Thai licenser (Chaleo Yoovidhya). Red Bull only >> exist to make money, somewhere around 6 Billion last time I looked. >> >> All their labour goes into the brand, that’s why they buy out edgy sports >> and events, they are after the front covers rather than paying for >> advertising. This also helps keep up the claim of being an edgy >> “non-marketed brand” - it cost a lot of money to do that. >> >> There target is always young kids, the next generation, pretty easy when >> they have a 70% share of the market. >> >> My experience of them is they collect people, creditability and “things”, >> they employ creative agencies to do the buying and not cheap agencies >> either. >> >> I’m surprised that Denise has any support in her heart for people who do >> this on a weekly basis. >> >> https://imgur.com/a/VfHYGjU >> >> > On 13 Dec 2018, at 16:58, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> > >> > Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in arranging >> > that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So that’s >> > good for Detroit. >> > >> > Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better >> > questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good >> > for Mike Banks and good for Detroit. >> > >> > >> > >> > Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. >> > ethnomusicologist >> > schoolcraftwax.work >>
Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview
Moodymann just played Paisley Park and red bull had a hand in arranging that. That’s good for Moodymann, who plays in Detroit a lot. So that’s good for Detroit. Mike Banks should have been treated with way more fanfare and better questions. But he gets to take that enormous, global stage. That’s good for Mike Banks and good for Detroit. Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:52, Benn Glazier wrote: > > Well there's no denying that the Red Bull logo is a license to print money > these days; it's also one to spend money. The focus is on the brand as > opposed to the product and their brand alignment is with anything that could > be deemed edgy, from skateboarding to space diving. > > I guess there's a couple of ways to look at it... their engagement can aid > with the promotion of artists, event and activities and it has the potential > to kick start artists careers due to the collaboration process and unlocking > doors. They've got their record label as well - no artists I'm familiar with, > to be honest. > > On the flipside, it's nothing more than brand positioning and posturing. > Sponsor activities that are deemed cool per se and people will buy our > drinks. They could walk away from RBMA at any time, or if they thought that > electronic country and western trance was the next big thing then they just > adjust their musical charter to follow what's popular or in turn lead and > drive what will be popular. Worth noting, RB dominate the category they play > in today and it would be hard to see anyone dislodging them from that mantle > any time soon. > > So yeah, they're a commercial outfit, they made the measly sum of about €6.5b > in revenue last year. To put that into perspective for a minute, that's > about one-fifth of what Coca-Cola did last year. Yes, they have their finger > in many sub-culture pies, but we all can view it whichever way we wish. > > Also, they could also not be doing any of this... and if Mike fucks with RB, > Moody fucks with RB, do you think RB actually care? With an oversimplified > view It will just drive more eyeballs to their youtube videos, which at the > end of the day is exactly what they want. > > BG > > > > >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 10:16 Martin Dust wrote: >> > What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering >> > the discourse of underground music and dance culture. >> >> First time I’ve heard called that. > -- > > -- > b...@bennglazier.com > WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM
Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview
Britain, France, Portugal, Spain; how big do you think your continent is. That’s like the whole entire thing right there. And then Germany and Italy and Poland got their whole entire weird thing goin on. Own that shit. Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Dec 13, 2018, at 11:51, Aidan O'Doherty wrote: > > Not fair to lump in the entire continent of Europe as being responsible for > slavery, just certain countries with their empire building. > >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 10:46 AM wrote: >> Mike Banks fucks with red bull. Kenny Dixon fucks with red bull. They’re a >> promoter. They have a permanent exhibit space in Detroit and this summer, >> Submerge had a house music exhibit there. >> >> This is no plug for red bull. They’ve never published any of my writing, but >> I’ve never submitted anything because in Mike Rubin’s piece about Drexciya >> last year, they let him write that slavery is America’s original sin, which >> is historically inaccurate; it’s Europe’s original sin. They would never >> print my writing because I would say things a lot harder. Like anti-cop shit >> and stuff. >> >> But red bull is everywhere. >> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. >> ethnomusicologist >> schoolcraftwax.work >> >> On Dec 13, 2018, at 05:16, Martin Dust wrote: >> What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering the discourse of underground music and dance culture. >>> >>> First time I’ve heard called that.
Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview
Like a promoter? Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Dec 13, 2018, at 06:08, Martin Dust wrote: > > Red Bull are NOT a promoter, they are masters of hypernormalisation that > purchase “cool", one look at their website will tell you that. It’s a least 3 > clicks before you see an actual product. They turn people into products. > > >> On 13 Dec 2018, at 10:46, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Mike Banks fucks with red bull. Kenny Dixon fucks with red bull. They’re a >> promoter. They have a permanent exhibit space in Detroit and this summer, >> Submerge had a house music exhibit there. >> >> This is no plug for red bull. They’ve never published any of my writing, but >> I’ve never submitted anything because in Mike Rubin’s piece about Drexciya >> last year, they let him write that slavery is America’s original sin, which >> is historically inaccurate; it’s Europe’s original sin. They would never >> print my writing because I would say things a lot harder. Like anti-cop shit >> and stuff. >> >> But red bull is everywhere. >> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. >> ethnomusicologist >> schoolcraftwax.work >> >> On Dec 13, 2018, at 05:16, Martin Dust wrote: >> What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering the discourse of underground music and dance culture. >>> >>> First time I’ve heard called that. >
Re: Mad Mike Tresor interview
Mike Banks fucks with red bull. Kenny Dixon fucks with red bull. They’re a promoter. They have a permanent exhibit space in Detroit and this summer, Submerge had a house music exhibit there. This is no plug for red bull. They’ve never published any of my writing, but I’ve never submitted anything because in Mike Rubin’s piece about Drexciya last year, they let him write that slavery is America’s original sin, which is historically inaccurate; it’s Europe’s original sin. They would never print my writing because I would say things a lot harder. Like anti-cop shit and stuff. But red bull is everywhere. Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work On Dec 13, 2018, at 05:16, Martin Dust wrote: >> What started it all? Red Bull simply wanted to develop a way of fostering >> the discourse of underground music and dance culture. > > First time I’ve heard called that.
Re: Year End List 2018
I never died. Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Dec 12, 2018, at 06:52, 3...@coke-smyth.net wrote: > > Denise, > > You're alive. Also check out the Mike Huckaby mix on the latest Tresor > compilation download. Rodent by Burial, and agreed. Footwork > > Still compiling.. > > C > > > >> On 2018-12-12 11:25, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> Everything that came out on Sound Signature. That’s my year end >> list. And KDJ’s releases this year. I like those. >> DENISE DALPHOND, PH.D. >> ETHNOMUSICOLOGIST >> SCHOOLCRAFTWAX.WORK [1] >>> On Dec 12, 2018, at 05:26, 3...@coke-smyth.net wrote: >>> Hi 313, >>> Oh,ffs >>> Year end lists anybody? >>> cheers >>> C >> Links: >> -- >> [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work/ >
Re: Year End List 2018
Everything that came out on Sound Signature. That’s my year end list. And KDJ’s releases this year. I like those. Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Dec 12, 2018, at 05:26, 3...@coke-smyth.net wrote: > > Hi 313, > > Oh,ffs > > Year end lists anybody? > > cheers > > C
Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing “dream.” A long while after the conversation ended. Are you my mother? > On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier wrote: > > Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him for > that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about the > matter. > > We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you. > You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have > shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit > or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination. > > Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how > blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is different. > In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own experiences elicit a > response, and whilst we can be more well read than in previous years thanks > to technology, there's still a lot to learn for anyone who has not grown up > with or been subject to this oppression. Humans are fickle and behaviour to > get people on board needs to be constructive. Short answer, it would have > been great if RA had of produced the piece in the way that has been > discussed! Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig deeper and read and > learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further! > > Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who has > some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even one > start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population. I live in > London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of all > backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our racial > issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other countries > and cities. Speaking of London, for those of you here, check these black > history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) - > http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/ > > Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine). Where's George M Smiley > these days? > > Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte. Hadn't heard of him > until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name. > > BG > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson wrote: >> If I am, I really don't mean to be. Guilty of poor communication. >> >> Conversation very confusing. >> >>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude. >>> >>> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR and >>> Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews. >>> >>> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not >>> arrogant enough to post the link again. >>> >>> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, you’re >>> all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you about >>> who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 😢 >>> >>> Denise >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson wrote: Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation. I do not have a neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation. The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult. I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it, leading to my ignorance. It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of what you have got to say about it. The music is something else in any case, but I accept that you probably know a lot better the motivations behind the music, and that you may be right. >
Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
“Provocative?” What is this 1988? Have you been watching Falcon Crest? > On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:12, Steven Robertson wrote: > > If I am, I really don't mean to be. Guilty of poor communication. > > Conversation very confusing. > >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude. >> >> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR and >> Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews. >> >> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not >> arrogant enough to post the link again. >> >> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, you’re >> all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you about >> who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 😢 >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> >>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson wrote: >>> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as >>> it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which >>> opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am >>> sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation. I do not have a >>> neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation. >>> >>> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel >>> very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to >>> what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was >>> ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to >>> appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult. >>> I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener >>> probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not >>> disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be >>> disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be >>> disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it, >>> leading to my ignorance. >>> >>> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise >>> (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email >>> reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily >>> provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of >>> what you have got to say about it. The music is something else in any case, >>> but I accept that you probably know a lot better the motivations behind the >>> music, and that you may be right. >>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: It took you this long to think of a response. 😲 > On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson wrote: > Denise > > I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard > what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, > and that Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later > I'm writing this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing > on my mind since reading an article on the mostly unknown involvement of > Scottish families in the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh > benefited, and honoured those families. It makes you feel sick. > > I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about > the practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland by > the British army for many many years following the battle of Culloden. > Following that were the highland clearances, ordered by land-owners in > England. There's a monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice > an MP in the British Parliament, he later became the British ambassador > in Paris. People demand that the statue be removed, or at least moved. In > short, it says more about the British involvement in the slave trade at > the time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were not directly used, but they > were used in some arrangement which was directly involved with the slave > trade. I felt that we had nothing to do with that ugly business. I was > born in Glasgow, and my ancestors there were all poor working class > families. I think we should be taught this stuff in school. That's all > white-washing and as a result we are mostly ignorant. I will apologise > for my own ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I certainly > woke with a strong feeling that you could be. > > Regards > > Steve > >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. >> Read my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, >> you’re confused by your rage. >> >> Denise
Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude. You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews. I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not arrogant enough to post the link again. Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, you’re all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you about who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 😢 Denise > On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson wrote: > > Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as it > happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which opened my > eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am sometimes > processing things well beyond a conversation. I do not have a neuro-typical > mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation. > > The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel very > strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to what > he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was ignorant. In > the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to appreciate the > sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult. I just didn't > see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener probably just suited > my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not disappointed if that were > the case, and I regret writing that I would be disappointed. I am not > personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be disappointed. It's fair enough. > I just don't really know enough about it, leading to my ignorance. > > It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise (though > it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email reader I > guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily provocative, > and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of what you have > got to say about it. The music is something else in any case, but I accept > that you probably know a lot better the motivations behind the music, and > that you may be right. > >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> It took you this long to think of a response. 😲 >> >>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson wrote: >>> Denise >>> >>> I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard what >>> James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, and that >>> Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later I'm writing >>> this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing on my mind >>> since reading an article on the mostly unknown involvement of Scottish >>> families in the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and >>> honoured those families. It makes you feel sick. >>> >>> I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about the >>> practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland by the >>> British army for many many years following the battle of Culloden. >>> Following that were the highland clearances, ordered by land-owners in >>> England. There's a monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice >>> an MP in the British Parliament, he later became the British ambassador in >>> Paris. People demand that the statue be removed, or at least moved. In >>> short, it says more about the British involvement in the slave trade at the >>> time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were not directly used, but they were >>> used in some arrangement which was directly involved with the slave trade. >>> I felt that we had nothing to do with that ugly business. I was born in >>> Glasgow, and my ancestors there were all poor working class families. I >>> think we should be taught this stuff in school. That's all white-washing >>> and as a result we are mostly ignorant. I will apologise for my own >>> ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I certainly woke with a >>> strong feeling that you could be. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Steve >>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. Read my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, you’re confused by your rage. Denise > On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi wrote: > Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel > that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of > the synonyms being a match. > > Could I have used another word? Sure, there are many synonyms to choose > from. I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral > principles” is precisely what she’s guilty of: > >
Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
It took you this long to think of a response. 😲 > On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson wrote: > > Denise > > I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard what > James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, and that > Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later I'm writing > this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing on my mind since > reading an article on the mostly unknown involvement of Scottish families in > the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh benefited, and honoured those > families. It makes you feel sick. > > I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about the > practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland by the > British army for many many years following the battle of Culloden. Following > that were the highland clearances, ordered by land-owners in England. There's > a monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland, twice an MP in the British > Parliament, he later became the British ambassador in Paris. People demand > that the statue be removed, or at least moved. In short, it says more about > the British involvement in the slave trade at the time, but Scotland is > shamed. Ports were not directly used, but they were used in some arrangement > which was directly involved with the slave trade. I felt that we had nothing > to do with that ugly business. I was born in Glasgow, and my ancestors there > were all poor working class families. I think we should be taught this stuff > in school. That's all white-washing and as a result we are mostly ignorant. I > will apologise for my own ignorance, and appreciate that you may be right. I > certainly woke with a strong feeling that you could be. > > Regards > > Steve > >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. Read my >> original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, you’re confused >> by your rage. >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi wrote: >>> Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel >>> that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of the >>> synonyms being a match. >>> >>> Could I have used another word? Sure, there are many synonyms to choose >>> from. I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral principles” >>> is precisely what she’s guilty of: >>> >>> https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761&hl=en-US&ei=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM&ins=false&q=unscrupulous&oq=uns&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1..01...5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams >>> wrote: >>> I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List >>> Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let >>> me say this: >>> >>> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line. >>> And in this particular case, patently absurd. Denise has strong opinions >>> and you can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous. >>> >>> To quote Inigo Montoya, "I do not think it means what you think it means." >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi wrote: >>> Agreed, >>> >>> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out just >>> as much as actual racist views/comments. >>> >>> Next subject? 🤓👊🏿 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com wrote: >>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue >>> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :) >>> >>> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love, >>> massive respect, nuff said >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams wrote: >>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's >>> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't >>> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days. >>> >>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 years >>> ago? >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust wrote: >>> >>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36,ja...@iridite.com wrote: >>> > >>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him? He's always got a calm and measured >>> > response in situations like this. >>> > >>> >>> Proper LOL >
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This one time I got a pen light from Cornelius Harris. > On Oct 25, 2018, at 04:29, Marsel van der Wielen > wrote: > > > hi there - > > I'm Marsel and since I'm 15 I trying to complete my Transmat record > collection - although since I yet didn't manage to 100% complete it, I > started a label - > and now we're doing a re-issue of MS-31 -> > https://www.delsinrecords.com/release/6196/indio/inca-ep - (although I now > see we still have track B2 wrong... :-/ > > also after 25 years I still didn't find out how to unsubscribe from this > list, but luckily there still pleny of those same other 40+ aged people who > didn't > > and of course I've got a print from both Alan Oldham and Abdul Qadim Haqq on > my wall - I also already purchased another cover of Abdul, but we don't have > a release yet - ideas welcome > oh, and for who didn't notice, Transmat just released three new releases this > summer - wasn't really impressed to be honest > and they also did finally a proper re-issue of MS008 > > further more I think all techno artists should stop performing along with > complete orchestras, > same as Derrick shouldn't have been in the studio with Dj Marcello and maybe > also not with Steve Hillage, > like Ashley Beedle shouldn't have remixed String Of Life, > maybe remixes should be forbidden anyways (i.e. Luciano remixing Model 500's > No UFO's) > and I never had, but now eagerly want a Red Planet t-shirt
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I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. Read my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, you’re confused by your rage. Denise > On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi wrote: > > Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel that > it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of the > synonyms being a match. > > Could I have used another word? Sure, there are many synonyms to choose > from. I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral principles” is > precisely what she’s guilty of: > > https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761&hl=en-US&ei=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM&ins=false&q=unscrupulous&oq=uns&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1..01...5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ > > > > >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams >> wrote: >> I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List >> Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let me >> say this: >> >> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line. >> And in this particular case, patently absurd. Denise has strong opinions >> and you can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous. >> >> To quote Inigo Montoya, "I do not think it means what you think it means." >> >> >>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi wrote: >>> Agreed, >>> >>> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out just >>> as much as actual racist views/comments. >>> >>> Next subject? 🤓👊🏿 >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com wrote: Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :) ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love, massive respect, nuff said Jason > On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams > wrote: > Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's > still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs > (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days. > > I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 > years ago? > >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust >> wrote: >> >> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote: >> > >> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him? He's always got a calm and >> > measured response in situations like this. >> > >> >> Proper LOL
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Denise’s opinions are widely shared around the world and are based on research. > On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:18, kent williams wrote: > > I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List > Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let me > say this: > > I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line. And > in this particular case, patently absurd. Denise has strong opinions and you > can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous. > > To quote Inigo Montoya, "I do not think it means what you think it means." > > >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi wrote: >> Agreed, >> >> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out just >> as much as actual racist views/comments. >> >> Next subject? 🤓👊🏿 >> >> >> >>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com wrote: >>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue >>> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :) >>> >>> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love, >>> massive respect, nuff said >>> >>> Jason >>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams wrote: Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days. I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 years ago? > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust > wrote: > > > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote: > > > > Where's Tom Cox when you need him? He's always got a calm and measured > > response in situations like this. > > > > Proper LOL
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What about people of color who are on this list? You don’t know how all this old man thinking could be making anyone feel. It’s not a white list! WTF > On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:58, Joe Marougi wrote: > > I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew racist > views like you do. > > Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been trying to > point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the team with > this approach. > > Couldn’t care less what you think of me. Grow the fuck up and be happy that > maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who Drexciya is and > maybe even bought a release or two. > > > > >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM wrote: >> Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s past >> contributions to this listserv. >> >> Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth? >> >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi wrote: >>> >>> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties. What the hell are you >>> talking about? >>> >>> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white >>> woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!? >>> >>> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things: >>> >>> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in a >>> certain way. Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it >>> was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem >>> with it. >>> >>> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead the >>> video. Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target >>> look and sound like her?? And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine. >>> >>> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and >>> hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you >>> have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it. >>> >>> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make >>> something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE >>> white people (their audience). >>> >>> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying to >>> make them out to be slave owners. Are you jelly that you didn’t make it?? >>> >>> The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview without >>> asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle. >>> >>> That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t >>> filet mignon. >>> >>> Pathetic. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond wrote: I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on! Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from the colonizer. Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all the way super duper is all about race and racism. And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the birthplace of imperialism and colonialism? A lot. Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and protecting and respecting the culture that made this music. Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask John Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans alike. Denise Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis wrote: > Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short > video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts > behind Drexciya. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8 > > includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as well!! > > > thanks, > > Jeffrey J Davis > > j...@jeffreyjdavis.com > > www.jeffreyjdavis.com > > 218.833.2847
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“The paradox of black cultural movements -- Techno, Hip Hop, Jazz, Blues etc -- is that it is dependent on the majority culture -- i.e. mostly white -- to support it, because they are the ones with the numbers money. Remaining true to that culture without diluting it is always a challenge, among all the other challenges to being an artist.” Artists can bow down to the white dollar or make revolutionary art, huh. Kenny Dixon seems to do both. White people are on our way out as a majority. So your old ways of thinking won’t hold true in even five years, and they don’t hold true for many people right now. Denise
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Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s past contributions to this listserv. Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth? Denise > On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi wrote: > > Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties. What the hell are you talking > about? > > That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white > woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!? > > Maybe you’re forgetting a few things: > > - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in a > certain way. Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it was > done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem with > it. > > - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead the > video. Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target look > and sound like her?? And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine. > > - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and > hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you > have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it. > > - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make > something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE white > people (their audience). > > - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying to > make them out to be slave owners. Are you jelly that you didn’t make it?? > > The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview without > asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle. > > That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t filet > mignon. > > Pathetic. > > > >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond >> wrote: >> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James Stinson >> still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that Andrew >> Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on! >> >> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the video, >> and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off putting. >> They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of brilliant, >> musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from the colonizer. >> >> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all the >> way super duper is all about race and racism. >> >> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the >> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism? A lot. >> >> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and >> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music. >> >> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask John >> Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans alike. >> >> >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. >> ethnomusicologist >> schoolcraftwax.work >> >> >>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis wrote: >>> Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short >>> video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts >>> behind Drexciya. >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8 >>> >>> includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as well!! >>> >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> Jeffrey J Davis >>> >>> j...@jeffreyjdavis.com >>> >>> www.jeffreyjdavis.com >>> >>> 218.833.2847
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It’s healthy to question our perspectives and good to acknowledge the ways that people with white skin do not suffer. Even if it feels awkward or uncomfortable sometimes, it’s that way for everyone, and it’s better than ignoring other peoples’ experiences. And we as techno fans have the luxury of answering to the great city of Detroit. Michigan is a racist place. So I think, what do my music idols experience at the grocery store or at the airport or the bank or from cops, probably some bullshit from white people that look like me. And then I get really embarrassed. And pissed off. And then I think of creative ways to fight back. You don’t have to do that as a techno fan, but you can. It’s an option. And it’s fun. Denise > On Oct 24, 2018, at 07:45, Ronny Pries (rktic) wrote: > > Hello new'- and old'sters. > > Was just wondering if I ever „properly" introduced myself here. Apart from > „Hi, I’m Ronny. I like Techno.“ > > The recent Drexciya thread, articles and thoughts made me think. You know, > I’m a caucasian, born and raised around Hamburg/Germany. Hence my personal > experience of being a victim of racism is about zero. Then again, being a > german, you’ve got to reflect about these things. Imho. > > Crap, this is awkward. I have no concept about what it feels like to be > historically oppressed because of the color of skin. Neither was I raised in > economical circumstances as close as those found in Detroit. The weight or > burden of that combination I can at best try to imagine or feel. This is a > tough topic for a cultural ‚bystander‘ wanting to approach it in the most > respectful way possible. > > What I do have a personal experience with: > Living with Angst or anxiety if you will. Being risen to function, showing > good manners on the surface. Avoid looking inside by any means. Getting a > good whack of post-WW2 parenting. > > For long I thought Techno mainly appealed to me because my parents didn’t get > it. But that’s not an emotional response, right. What I found in Techno was a > strong sense of place. Where I was allowed to breathe, think and feel. True > freedom. > > So, I’m aware that if I say „I kinda get it“ it’s still lacking cultural > background. Yet, where can one draw a line? And can anyone relate at all? > > Just thinking out loud > Ronny > > > >> Am 22.10.2018 um 03:08 schrieb Edward Thompson : >> >> 😂 >> >> >>> On Mon., 22 Oct. 2018, 10:51 am Aidan O'Doherty, >>> wrote: >>> Bloody hell, what's with all the traffic? You wait ages on a bus, then all >>> of a sudden loads of 313s arrive! >>> >>> Welcome aboard, Matt Deegan. This list has been a desert of discourse for a >>> very long time, until the last few days. >>> >>> My name is Aidan O'Doherty, from Dublin, Ireland. I am simply an electronic >>> music fan, an erstwhile record collector (used to have an extensive >>> collection, mostly sold) and hobbyist DJ who loves a lot of techno/house >>> music that has and still comes out of Detroit or is clearly inspired by the >>> city. >>> >>> I have been on this list for 18 or 19 years and have never unsubscribed >>> despite the serious drought in content over the last few years. >>> >>> I am usually a lurker, therefore not aiding with content, but did inspire a >>> poll years ago (top five Detroit tracks) that Delsin's Marsel van der >>> Wielen put on the NoMoreWords site (everyone's individual choices were kept >>> there), which is gone now, or rather, transformed. >>> >>> Most of the communications on the list are civil (not always in the past), >>> don't remember much in the way of racism, but my memory could be selective. >>> Denise, feel free to call me a potato-eating, alcoholic Paddy anytime you >>> want, I won't be offended, because it's all true. >>> >>> Glad to see names popping up again that I haven't heard from in ages. >>> >>> Yours in music, >>> Aidan >>> >>> >>> On Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:02 , wrote: Introductions. I’m Denise Dalphond. I wrote my dissertation on Detroit techno and house music in 2014 after spending three years doing research and conducting interviews with techno kings and queens in Detroit. I write about music and activism at schoolcraftwax.work. I’ve published a lot about Detroit electronic music. My CV is on my website. In 2006, I organized and led the Roots of Techno conference at Indiana University. Panelists were Theo Parrish, Terrence Parker, Rick Wilhite, Marcellus Pittman, Minx, Mike Clark, Cornelius Harris, and two rad people from the Detroit Historical Museum. The Archives of African American Music and Culture at Indiana University is where the video recordings of the conference are housed, as well as my research materials and interview recordings. I was co-founder if the Detroit Sound Conservancy with Carleton Gholz. Together, we hosted educational
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Introductions. I’m Denise Dalphond. I wrote my dissertation on Detroit techno and house music in 2014 after spending three years doing research and conducting interviews with techno kings and queens in Detroit. I write about music and activism at schoolcraftwax.work. I’ve published a lot about Detroit electronic music. My CV is on my website. In 2006, I organized and led the Roots of Techno conference at Indiana University. Panelists were Theo Parrish, Terrence Parker, Rick Wilhite, Marcellus Pittman, Minx, Mike Clark, Cornelius Harris, and two rad people from the Detroit Historical Museum. The Archives of African American Music and Culture at Indiana University is where the video recordings of the conference are housed, as well as my research materials and interview recordings. I was co-founder if the Detroit Sound Conservancy with Carleton Gholz. Together, we hosted educational tours of Submerge, created the Dan Sicko scholarship for new Detroit journalists, and made plans for cultural preservation in Detroit music culture. I often make sure no one is being racist, but that’s been near impossible on this listserv. They think I’ll stop. I don’t make music because my time is full with my three kids and everything else. I’m not a DJ because I would forget and start dancing and make the needle jump. I do want to play on a modular synth someday. Thanks for joining this listserv! Denise Dalphond > On Oct 20, 2018, at 07:38, Matt Deegan wrote: > > Hi, > > With that in mind I reckon I should introduce myself. > > My name is Matt Deegan and I'm an electronic music producer from the UK with > a focus on techno. I've been involved in music in various forms over the > years starting as a jazz double bassist and more recently moving to techno, > using analogue electronic gear to produce on. I specialise in improvised > electronic music trying hard to tastefully fuse elements of jazz into my > sound. > > I've become interested in the origins of techno and so started reading books > on and around the subject, and through that reading I found Hyperreal. I > think there is a large proportion of techno fans who have no idea where or > how it started, or are misinformed. I was definitely one of them, and, > although I still have a lot to learn, I now feel I have some grounding in how > it all began. I'm really interested in learning more and this feels like a > decent place to do it so. Any resources people can recommend will be greatly > appreciated! > > As I said I am interested in understanding the origins of the music, but at > the same time I am also interested in supporting musicians trying to push the > boundaries of the genre. I am a schooled jazz musician and composer and, > although I am passionate about the music, I'm still trying to wrap my head > around exactly why I love it so much. There is something fundamental within > it I can't quite put my finger on which intrigues me. Before I started > reading about techno's history I though my musical journey was unusual, but > have since realised it isn't as unusual as I thought. This realisation has > helped me focus my sound and produce the work I'm most proud of, which proves > to me understanding the history of the music is extremely important. > > I could probably ramble on all day on the subject, but I'll leave it there. > There are links below to my stuff if anyone is interested, otherwise I look > forward to your reading what you write. > > Best wishes, > Matt > > > I work under the pseudonym Epistrophe Smith, here's some links to my stuff... > Main site: www.epsmith.net > An online ambient music project using an algorithm to never be the same > twice: http://neverendingalbum.myl2mr.com > >> On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 1:15 AM kent williams wrote: >> For some reason we've had a bunch of new subscribers. I guess that is a >> challenge to us old timers to, uh, generate some compelling content.
Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
I really liked all that UR carhartt stuff. That was a pretty good idea. $$💸💰 > On Oct 19, 2018, at 13:44, David A. Powers wrote: > > Good for year, I moved to Detroit because I needed a job, and someone in > Detroit offered me a job. > Then I lost the job. Didn't have much money, it wasn't enough to renew my > lease, then I got evicted from my apartment, and the money ran out. > I was literally homeless and walking around the streets not having eaten for > a day at one point, when someone intervened and let me live in a basement in > the suburbs... Even being homeless, I'd manage to hold on to all my stuff, > keeping it in storage in Detroit. > > I managed to make a little bit of money through a couple temporary jobs and > found a place to live in Detroit again. > Immediately after that, my dad died of cancer and all my shit got stolen. > Literally everything I owned, clothes, music gear, all my vinyl records. > Only like a box of books and a few clothes and things I had at another > location survived. > And all my income dried up again. > > I would be dead if a friend had not extended their help to me at that point > so that I didn't end up on the street. > Also, if John Collins, hadn't reached out to me at one point, when I was very > suicidal, I might be dead. > > Don't fucking judge people when you don't know their stories. > People who are poor have tough lives no matter what their skin color. > I moved to Detroit so I wouldn't starve to death, because I needed a job > > Poor people don't get to choose what city to live in. > When times are tough and you are broke, you have to take whatever job you can > get. > > "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall > be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. > And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest > not the beam that is in thine own eye?" > > ~David > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:43 AM Denise Dalphond >> wrote: >> I've never lived in Detroit, unfortunately. I didn't want to gentrify. >> >> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. >> ethnomusicologist >> schoolcraftwax.work >> >> >>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:42 PM Denise Dalphond >>> wrote: >>> Mike Banks owns a museum. It's called Exhibit 3000. >>> >>> It's for education. So people don't get confused. >>> >>> >>> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. >>> ethnomusicologist >>> schoolcraftwax.work >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:39 PM David A. Powers wrote: Denise, I lived in the city, I talk to my friends in the city every week, and I played a gig there recently. I know exactly what's going on. First of all, Red Bull, really? They literally pimp out art and artists in order to sell shitty corporate drugs that are terrible for the human body. I'm glad that artists get paid even if it's by Red Bull, but seriously, screw them. Second, it's quite obvious that we are talking about literally TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. You are talking about museums. I'm talking about selling records and making money! I'm talking about this: http://submerge.com/ Do you honestly think that black artists in the US can live off of cultural recognition by the city of Detroit? How many Detroit techno records are selling in the Detroit area? UR has trouble paying the bills. Musicians need to make money. You can't make a living as a Detroit techno artist IN DETROIT. All the artists you mentioned got notoriety overseas before they got hometown recognition. Musicians need to work together to carry on the work that UR started, and part of this work is trying to find a way to sell records in the United States. This is hard work, and it involves all musicians and artists including the Detroit techno community. What people write about the music second hand is not so important as what musicians do to move the music forward in the present. Motown, UR, and Chicago's AACM are all examples of the kind of ethos I advocate. What matters is what we musicians do to help each other and build a better future together. Building a better future is what techno is all about. ~David > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 10:21 AM Denise Dalphond > wrote: > Detroiters of color definitely give a shit about techno. Your statement > is completely wrong and off base. All you have to do is visit the > instagram account of Underground Resistance. > > https://www.instagram.com/undergroundresistance313/?hl=en > > It is filled with Black and Brown faces. In Detroit. Often, DJs hosting > parties all over Detroit are Black and Brown people, and the crowds are > full of people of color. > > People are being duped with old ideas about clan mentality and who the > t
Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
I also write my ideas on schoolcraftwax.work There’s another essay about techno that came out a few years ago that I wrote in a book called African American Music: An Introduction. Detroiters and techno heads have read my writing and critiqued my writing at my request. I’m not working in a vacuum. > On Oct 19, 2018, at 07:29, Martin Dust wrote: > > >> On 19 Oct 2018, at 12:24, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I do not. Maybe you should read my article about Drexciya and UR and >> Moodymann in Black Lives Matter and Music: Protest, Intervention, >> Reflection. It just came out. >> >> Denise Dalphond >> > > Then there’s nothing to discuss if you can see it.
Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
Yr Rt. > On Oct 19, 2018, at 07:29, Martin Dust wrote: > > >> On 19 Oct 2018, at 12:24, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I do not. Maybe you should read my article about Drexciya and UR and >> Moodymann in Black Lives Matter and Music: Protest, Intervention, >> Reflection. It just came out. >> >> Denise Dalphond >> > > Then there’s nothing to discuss if you can see it.
Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
I do not. Maybe you should read my article about Drexciya and UR and Moodymann in Black Lives Matter and Music: Protest, Intervention, Reflection. It just came out. Denise Dalphond > On Oct 19, 2018, at 07:00, Martin Dust wrote: > > Yes it’s real, do you not see the logical fallacy in your argument? > >> On 19 Oct 2018, at 11:56, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Is this a real question? Dan Sicko was a actual Detroiter. >> >>> On Oct 19, 2018, at 05:43, Martin Dust wrote: >>> >>> Hi Denise, >>> >>> Do you feel the same about Dan Sicko’s book? >>> >>> m >
Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
Is this a real question? Dan Sicko was a actual Detroiter. > On Oct 19, 2018, at 05:43, Martin Dust wrote: > > Hi Denise, > > Do you feel the same about Dan Sicko’s book? > > m
Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
It’s weird to me that you’re justifying slavery because it occurs. This conversation is taking a fascinating turn. > On Oct 18, 2018, at 14:27, David A. Powers wrote: > > 1. Stealing by RA is terrible. Remember that along with the fact of black > innovators not getting credit, there is an even more common story of > exploitation in the music industry: musicians and creators who get ripped > off, whether it's theft by a manager, record labels stealing, or this current > example. This kind of exploitation goes on all the time, and I do believe > musicians, writers, and artists, need to work to take whatever steps they can > to stop such theft. Let me tell you, I lived in the D, if someone steals from > you there, they better be prepared to get their ass beat. I'm just saying... > > 2. It's racist to make assumptions about race and cultural background based > on someone's accent. > > 3. All civilized societies to this day, use slave labor in some forms. In the > global economy, slavery is simply pushed to the margins: slaves still work in > mines to get stuff that goes into our high tech gadgets. As long as > civilization uses slaves, there are going to be ideologies that justify the > exploitation. US racism is rooted in the history of slavery, but also in the > economic competition between north and south, and the fact that the > industrialized north didn't need slave labor because it had found a more > efficient way to exploit human labor. > > 4. The meaning of work, slavery, and exploitation is going to change in a > society run by machines. > > And #4 is why Drexciya and techno are relevant--we live in a society of > machines, and slave labor is embedded in the very machines we use to > communicate with each other and to create techno music. > > Drexciya's music reflects the experience of the people who made it, including > being black, growing up in Detroit, the history of US slavery and racism, > etc. But SLAVERY is not a "black issue" it's a human issue, which is explored > from a particular viewpoint rooted in a particular cultural experience. > > Music is not ABOUT ideas. Music is a living experience that cannot be put > into words. > If it could be put into words, then the music would actually be redundant! > If you want ideas, read a book. > The experience of listening to a Drexciya record is totally different than > talking about it. > Nothing you could say about a Drexciya record, would exhaust the potential > wealth of meanings and experience that the record contains. > Art is open ended, that's what makes it art and not propaganda... > > ~David > >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 12:52 PM Steven Robertson wrote: >> I'm all for positive discrimination. In order to achieve any sense of >> equality, it has to be done. It's the way to correct things. >> >> RA is a London-based website so far as I know. London is an international >> city whose residents are less racist than average. It seems that the most >> racist parts of the world are the parts with the least amount of diversity. >> This obviously because when you live and work with people from all over the >> world you see them as human beings. The narrator could be black, but from >> London. >> >> Not giving credit, clearly is unprofessional. The accent of the narrator, I >> don't think is a problem. I'd love to see and hear more talk of Detroit >> music from Detroiters, and for Drexciya specifically, well - an African >> accent could be perfect. >> >> I do wonder if race and racism entirely an artificial idea, that it is >> really down to a tribalism. It's something I think is often used to >> manipulate people in times of war (or conquest), and to sow division. Isn't >> race more a colonial idea, to justify the theft of land from its native >> people? These days we should know that we're all the same race, and that >> there are so many colours. Nobody is simply white or black. There is no >> black or white. Except, where positive discrimination is due. >> >> I'm lucky never to have experienced racial discrimination. I've rarely seen >> any racism, and certainly less as time goes by. However, things could >> change, but I'm thankful to live somewhere there is very little of this, >> with respect to people from many places. Things have been sliding backwards >> though, throughout Europe. Still, Europeans are not responsible for racism >> in the US. There are people that are responsible, and you'll find them in >> positions of power, using it as a tool, a method of control. IMHO. >> >> I'd be really disappointed if the music was _all_ about race and racism. I >> don't think that's a fair representation. >> >>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, at 5:25 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> We should hear the voice of a Black Detroiter narrating about Detroit >>> music. How often does that happen. That doesn’t communicate that the music >>> is only for people of color. White people are
Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
We should hear the voice of a Black Detroiter narrating about Detroit music. How often does that happen. That doesn’t communicate that the music is only for people of color. White people are never excluded from anything. And in 2018, unintentional? Please. Luis Manuel Garcia writes amazing pieces about intersectionality in club culture for RA. They have the information, they’re just choosing to be old grampas about it. > On Oct 18, 2018, at 11:56, Steven Robertson wrote: > > As a white person who grew up in Scotland, listening to Public Enemy, and > Paris, and reading the biography of Malcolm X, I don't exactly feel > comfortable making comment here. I think here there's clearly a lack of > sensitivity. It is likely to be unintentional, and in the case of the > unattributed source, they have at least corrected this soon after the issue > was raised publicly in the past few days. > > I appreciate that race and racism have a lot to do with the Drexciya story > and UR. However, I do feel that the assertion here that it is _all_ about > race and racism, should be challenged. There is a cultural context which is > certainly important to remember. It's worth remembering too those that were > lost in such terrible conditions on their way to America. I would argue that > the music is not all about race and racism. The music has a soul and that > soul is humanist, not racist. It's not racist towards white people from > Europe. Drexciya stands against slavery. We are all human beings. We are each > responsible to our own behaviour, and our shared futures. The music > transcends race and racism. We fight the power, and the slavers wherever they > may be. Drawing a line in the sand and saying that you don't belong here is > not quite what I think is intended by the music either. We are all belong to > the sea in some way. It's the strongest idea about it I feel. > >> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, at 4:14 PM, Andrew Duke wrote: >> Sigh. I am absolutely disgusted by RA's handling of this at time of >> publishing and since. Denise makes great points. Liz Copeland's interview >> with James Stinson is also used. I am tired and cranky and thus this post >> ain't eloquent. Someone just sent me this link (below) re RA that was >> published Oct 11, just a few days before the original--uncredited--Drexciya >> feature. The linked feature on RA is especially relevant re the mess they >> made this week and how the concerns of Denise and others were ignored and >> 313-moderator Kent's concerns "downvoted": >> https://telegra.ph/Precedent-Advisor-10-11 >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018, 11:12 AM Denise Dalphond, >> wrote: >> I told RA what I thought. They ignored me. That's what usually happens. >> >> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. >> ethnomusicologist >> schoolcraftwax.work >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:11 AM Callum MacGregor >> wrote: >> What about redubbing the audio with you narrating? Make a corrected >> version >> >> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018, 16:06 Denise Dalphond, wrote: >> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James Stinson >> still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that Andrew >> Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on! >> >> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the video, >> and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off putting. >> They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of brilliant, >> musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from the colonizer. >> >> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all the >> way super duper is all about race and racism. >> >> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the >> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism? A lot. >> >> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and >> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music. >> >> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask John >> Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans alike. >> >> >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D. >> ethnomusicologist >> schoolcraftwax.work >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis wrote: >> Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short >> video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts >> behind Drexciya. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8 >> >> includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as well!! >> >> >> thanks, >> >> Jeffrey J Davis >> >> j...@jeffreyjdavis.com >> >> www.jeffreyjdavis.com >> >> 218.833.2847 >
Re: New (Old) Mills & Banks release
It would be awesome if the musicians would get paid again when this kind of resale thing happens. They probably get tired of pirates. Denise Dalphond > On Aug 10, 2018, at 17:50, Joe Marougi wrote: > > Sorry I meant label color. Black vinyl. > >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:49 PM John Sokolowski >> wrote: >> Purple? There are colored wax SIDs? >> >> >> On Aug 10, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Joe Marougi wrote: >> >>> Speaking of stupid money, I have the SID releases in case anyone is >>> interested in offering me a fair price for them. Sold the Drexciya >>> (purple) one for $500 recently. >>> I promise not to tell the group who I sold them to and for how much 😇 >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:27 PM Mike Taylor wrote: I'm fairly certain that no copies of this are going to immediately wind up on discogs for stupid money. > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Patrick Wacher wrote: > In-store release only now only if I can wrangle a flight over there ;) > > https://thevinylfactory.com/news/unreleased-under-ground-resistance-jeff-mills-mike-banks/
Re: Female Producers
K. Hand did the same. There's definitely a lot to be said for not knowing a thing about a good DJ. Not having an image of their face or body. > On Aug 18, 2017, at 22:46, Danielle Scott wrote: > > Interestingly enough, I used a male centric name when I was dj'ing, as such > to take away from the fact that I am a woman. I felt that my gender had > nothing to do with the fact that I just wanted to make people dance. > > >> On Aug 18, 2017 4:30 PM, "Peter Bense" wrote: >> Have any of you ever attended those electronic music events events with >> exclusively female artists? >> >> I have. And in a lot of cases it seemed really awkward -- like the reason >> they were selected as performers was due to their sex/gender over their >> accomplishments as a performer/musician. (To say nothing of the male >> patrons weirdly 'gawking' over them, which is also super creepy. A separate >> issue unto itself.) >> >> So here we are listing out producers/djs, etc. and not discussing their >> works or what makes them good (maybe one or two have, but most replies >> haven't). >> >> That turns this into an ad-hoc roll call. Which again sort of reminds of >> those types of events I just mentioned. To what end? >> >> How about indicate what makes them interesting to mention here, aside from >> their sex/gender? That would seem like a more favorable way to approach >> this discussion, while crediting them appropriately. >> >>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Holly MacDonald-Korth >>> wrote: >>> Exactly. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: denisedalph...@gmail.com [mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 3:27 PM >>> To: christiaan76 >>> Cc: Peter Bense; Cole Evelev; Matthew Kane; kent williams; Aidan O'Doherty; >>> Marsel van der Wielen; list 313; Suzanne Heinrichs; 3...@coke-smyth.net >>> Subject: Re: Female Producers >>> >>> >>> >>> The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and >>> transphobia are done. I love this thread. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76 wrote: >>> >>> exactly. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense wrote: >>> >>> More generally: why is this gender thing so important? Can't we get over >>> it already.. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev wrote: >>> >>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing. >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>
Re: Female Producers
The only way gender will be gotten over is when sexism, homophobia, and transphobia are done. I love this thread. > On Aug 18, 2017, at 15:21, christiaan76 wrote: > > exactly. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:09, Peter Bense wrote: >> >> More generally: why is this gender thing so important? Can't we get over it >> already.. >> >>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Cole Evelev wrote: >>> Sorry about that. This is who I was referencing. >>> >>> https://www.discogs.com/Powder-H/release/9983256 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>
Re: Metroplex represses The Vision & Black Noise
Very nice! > On May 5, 2017, at 17:07, Patrick Wacher wrote: > > Looks like Metroplex have a few nice represses on the way... > The Vision - Spectral Nomad & Mike Grant's project Black Noise - Nature Of > The Beast > > Both great eps! > > https://www.residentadvisor.net/news.aspx?id=38914 > > Peace, > Patrick
Re: Techno dork moment
Dang, that's awesome! Never used Tidal before, but I'm going to check it out now for sure. > On Apr 13, 2016, at 14:39, jwan allen wrote: > > When you realize so much 313 content is available from your streaming > platform of choice, in this case Tidal, thus negating the need to > waste time and memory ripping and uploading. > > Cue awkwardness when co-workers ask why you're so happy! > > Juan & Mortitz, Moodymann (including the latest mix), Robert Hood, > Model 500, Drexciya and other favorite artists like Morgan Geist, > Daniel Wang, Maurice Fulton, etc. > > Note: I know streaming nets pesos per stream, but as I already stated, > I already own this material, so I'm just bugging out over convenience. > > Jwan > -- > Technoir Audio > http://www.technoiraudio.com > "dealing with your imperfect world"
Re: Another Mix Site
Arturo, this is excellent! I'm in the middle of the first mix right now. Great for my Saturday hanging out with my kids and their buddies. Thanks! Denise > On Nov 30, 2015, at 16:04, Arturo Lopez wrote: > > Hey 313ers, > > I've launched a site for a lot of the sorts of sounds some of you might be > interested in; if you are in the mood please check us out: > > http://www.art-and-artifice.com/ > > Just mixes, no B.S. > > First episode from me and #2 from the always fantastic Andrew Duke. I've got > more in the pipe and will be releasing new content down the line from myself > and some people you might know. If any of you 313 people are interested in > contributing we are always looking for more great sounds. > > Thanks! > -Arturo > > >
Re: Mid-Nineties Detroit techno...
DJ Bone had a good release (his first) in the 90s. Octave One -I'm a fan of anything and everything they do. And Moodymann's EPs that eventually became Silentintroduction, Dem Young Sconies is my favorite. David, I'm sure you're familiar with that last one, but I've got to include it because I freakin love it so much! Denise > On Aug 11, 2014, at 14:24, David Powers wrote: > > Mid-90's is a time period for that I'm not too familiar with. > > Anyone got recommendations for stuff along the lines of Frictional 001 > (Claude Young "Changing Factors")? > > ~David
Re: festival represent
Pizza!! Yes. Also, welcome to town. See you tomorrow. > On May 22, 2014, at 18:50, Fred Heutte wrote: > > Just hit the streets of the D. Going to this thingie tonight at the Red Bull > place > in Eastern Market -- Jerry Abstract (now in Portland, we had a good > time when Carlos Souffront came up from SF last month to do a gig) > and others... > > https://www.facebook.com/events/1434539443464848 > > Tomorrow, the Tigers but before that, the Detroit Sound Conservancy > at DPL. This looks really great, got a nice short piece in MT also: > > http://blogs.metrotimes.com/music-blahg/city-slang-detroit-sound-conservancys-sound- > conference-friday/ > > After that, see you everywhere . . . is it time for another 313 pizza > gathering? > > peace > > fh > 503.757-6222 >
Re: (313) KyleHall/RickWilhite/VinceWatson/Convextion/ERP/SteveRachmad/NeilLandstrumm/#2722
Cannot wait to listen. Looks fantastic. Denise > On Nov 15, 2013, at 22:57, "Andrew Duke In The Mix/Cognition Audioworks" > wrote: > > download/stream link follows tracklisting: > > Daniel Wang, Chicago Skyway, Kyle Hall, Rick Wilhite, > Vince Watson, Convextion & E.R.P., Steve Rachmad, Neil Landstrumm, > Kirk DeGiorgio, 313's own Chaircrusher, John Tejada, MGUN, Hakim Murphy, > Orlando Voorn, Colin Dale, Arthur Oskan, Mark Broom, Drivetrain, Tadd > Mullinix, > Different World, and more unreleased and forthcoming goodies: > > Andrew Duke In The Mix #2722 > > 01 Daniel Wang & Jules Etienne--Rondo Para Tercera Luna De Ypsilon; Y-3 10th > Anniversary comp (Y-3) > __ Trus'me ID (Prime Numbers) > 02 William Kouam Djoko--Behind Closed Doors; Deflourished (Rush Hour Voyage > Direct RH-VD011) > 03 Henkeman--Time To Go; Tropical Mindless (Batti Batti BB17) > 04 Vin Sol--It's House ft Tyree Cooper; It's House (Soo Wavey SWR007) > 05 Afrikan Sciences--04U; Theta Brain Wave Sync (Deepblak DBR-V018) > 06 Bell Boys--B Free ft Shaun J Wright; Hotel Garma (Discovery DCVRY06) > 07 R-Zone--If U Going Thru Hell Keep Going; R-Zone 07 (R-Zone 07) > 08 Reno Wurzbacher--The Love You Got (Sven Weisemann Closeness mix); The Love > You Got (Colombage 03) > 09 Chicago Skyway--Fall Down (unreleased) > 10 Boophases--432 Hz (Lowbard remix); 432 Hz (Passakaglia PK006) > 11 Phil Hooton--New Beginnings ft Queen Aminah; New Beginnings (Strictly Jazz > Unit Extensions SJUE001) > 12 Finest Wear--The Storm (Sumsuch remix); Distant Memories (Colour And Pitch > CAP002) > 13 Iron Curtis & Leaves pres SMPL--Hello Ada! (Youandewan version); Hello > Ada! (Black Key BKR008) > 14 Seb Wildwood--Feel; Feel (Church White 001) > 15 Klartraum--Map Of Truth (Vince Watson remix); Secret Moon Wax Edition Part > 2 (Lucidflow VLF004) > 16 Headless Ghost aka Ripperton--11; 77 (Tamed Musiq 006) > 17 Dorisburg--Smuts; Smuts/Studs (Bossmusik BOSS001) > 18 Tom Trago--The Elite; The Light Fantastic (Rush Hour RHM006-LP) > 19 David Gooday--Melancholy Mind; Meeting Of Minds Part 1 split with Mark > Archer (Laila Music) > 20 Drivetrain--Digital Toy Box; Data Courier comp (Soiree SRT156) > 21 Jay Riordan--Simplicity; Before We Get Old (Tone Kontrol TNKT004) > 22 Denis Clifford--The King Of Dreams (Jenifa Mayanja Mystical mix); Miracles > Of Matter: The Remix Project (Bumako BU-M024) > 23 Vil-N-X--Give Ya Luv Show Ya Luv (Deep Luv mix); Give Ya Luv Show Ya Luv > (Echovolt EvR001) > 24 Close--Wallflower (Kyle Hall dub); Wallflower remixes (K7) > 25 Hugo Slime--Sunshine Smoove (unreleased) > __ Pete Blas ID (Sound Designers Records) > 26 Dr.Nojoke--Rmx147 (Storlon remix); Cavern#05 (Cavern CVN005) > 27 Pursuit Grooves--Love Hard; Sound Warrior 002 split with Dakini9 and > Jenifa Mayanja (Sound Warrior SW002) > 28 Harry Light--Paradise Garage; Straight From The Heart (Pro-Tez P-T033) > 29 Maurizio Vitiello--Jupiters Are Crazy ft EMMA Project (Mark Archer remix); > Jupiters Are Crazy (Smile It Music 004) > 30 Orlando Voorn--Toon Moon ft K1000; Elevators (Murge MRG010) > 31 Sir Lord Comixx--Canvas (Colin Dale remix); Trading Places (Abstrakt Dance) > 32 OL-047--#31# (Roberto Clementi remix); Verde Bottiglia (Transition Lab > TRL001) > 33 Sam Russo--Wanderer (John Tejada remix); To The Brink (Air London AL012) > 34 Simoncino--Tape II; For My Father (Creme Organization CREME12-70) > 35 Tuff City Kids--Wendy (Girlfriend 44 PiaNO mix); Rob Tease (Delsin dsr-h7) > 36 Borai--Last Time Out; Last Time Out (Tasteful Nudes NUDES003) > 37 Repete--Psychological (remix); Psychological Music (069 Techno) > 38 Chaircrusher--Song Of September (unreleased) > 39 Boulder Love--T.T.T.; BL001 (Boulder Love BL001) > 40 Rick Wilhite--Magic Water (St Jean remix); In The Dark: Detroit Is Back > comp (Still Music CD011) > 41 JTC aka Tadd Mullinix--Valley Road (We Are 1) (DJ Qu remix); Valley Road > (We Are 1) (Spectral Sound SPC114) > 42 Sub Dealers--Mordsee (Different World remix); Mordsee (Sub Dealers 07) > 43 Rivet--Driftwood; Driftwood (Skudge PT009) > 44 Musumeci--Niji; Human Revolution (Engrave Ltd ELTD03) > 45 Maxson--Lo Fi Love (Arthur Oskan remix); Lo Fi Love (Darek DRK023) > 46 Snug--Engage (unreleased) > 47 MGUN--Extort; Some Tracks (Third Ear 3EEP-2013_10) > __Nagwoode ID (Deep Hype, Sugar Shack, Spins & Needles) > 48 Convextion--Verna; 100DSR/VAR3 comp (Delsin 100DSR/VAR3) > 49 Hakim Murphy--Nabodani (DJ Spider remix); Chiffre (Mindshift MS0093) > 50 Tripteo aka Darko Esser--Opuvar; Ugani/Opuvar (Deep Sound Channel DSC001) > 51 Philippe Petit--Air; Elements (Decision Making Theory DMT003) > 52 UZB--Crome (Mark Broom remix); Margen Position (Sleaze 084) > 53 Dimitri Pike--Ostbahnof (master tape); Berlin (Wildtek Virtual 09) > 54 Halvtrak--Face Two; Dust Under Bridges (Don't Be Afraid DBA013) > 55 Kirk Degiorgio--The Factory; Unreleased 1991-1992 (Indigo Aera) > 56 Tr One--Huguenot Burial Ground 1733; The Muscle, The Beets (Apartment > APT05) > 57 Neil Landstrumm--
Re: (313) movement represent
I hope to see more of you today!! I was out sick on Saturday and missed all the greatness. Mala, Adult., Minx, and Dan Bell were my highlights yesterday. Got to see Lori! Adult. played Sharevari and I actually liked it! Dan Bell melted everything and it was funky as hell. I plan to check out Dabrye today among others. And then Francois K of course! Get at me! Denise 812-606-1741 On May 26, 2013, at 16:30, John Sokolowski wrote: > Confirming Mr Earle is in the house. Last spotted getting down in the middle > of the floor at city club at 5am. > > TP and Dave Clarke were highlights yesterday for sure. Mo Reese was also > amazing at bookie's Friday night. > > May need a disco nap before going no way back at all... > > From: the...@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 12:59:43 -0700 > To: girly...@gmail.com; ph...@sunlightdata.com > CC: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) movement represent > > Fbk is likely lurking around, wearing an absoloop t shirt and wearing orange > :) > > Sent from my Windows Phone > From: Lori Polemenakos > Sent: 5/26/2013 3:42 PM > To: Fred Heutte > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) movement represent > > Dave Clarke had the set of the night, IMO. > > On Sunday, May 26, 2013, Fred Heutte wrote: > How y'all feeling out there? > > Met up with John Sokolowski yesterday and heard rumors that > Mr. Earle is in the house... > > Good sets yesterday from 16 Lolitas, KDJ, CC, Alton MIller. > Mr. Parker, playing the classics. But the difference > between me playing those classics (Nightcrawlers, No UFOs, > and on and on) is what makes Terrence so special. He was > on -fire- despite playing in a t-shirt in 50 degree weather. > > Dubstep has arrived at the festival (in its highly fragmented genre > state). Nuff said. > > The weather is actually very nice if on the coolish side, and there > was a great full moon rising over the Detroit River last night. > > See you on the plaza and at the parteez... because there's no > way back, at all... > > fh > 503.757-6222 >
Re: (313) what up Detroit
Fred, I completely agree. Put me on a whole new plane. My favorite thing. Denise On May 28, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Fred Heutte wrote: > They were superb -- and certainly not pretending to play with a > backup CD. They played about 10 compositions, most of them with > an arpeggio line to tie things together with slow and deep bass > themes and lots of light effects. "Ambient techno" would not do it > justice, really, the Wikipedia page says some have compared this to > musique concrete. Given the known problems of the underground > stage as a sonic space, it worked really well there but would have > been even better outside. > > fh > > > - >> Just saw Dopplereffekt Friday in Dallas and I can confirm it's the >> more ambient stuff, Infophysix style. Great show, though - but I >> suspect many people just don't know WHAT to expect when they play. It >> was very, very Detroit! >> >> On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Patrick Wacher wrote: >>> >>> From reports of other Doppler shows, they tend to play the atmospheric >>> tracks as > apposed to any of the Dataphysics material. >>> >>> Anyways, looking forward to hearing some reviews from their 313 performance. >>> >>> -- >>> Patrick Wacher >>> >>> On Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Williams Graham G wrote: >>> >>> That doesn't surprise me the last time I saw them play "Live" they used a >>> backing cd, > they mimicked playing a keyboard for some of the tracks. >>> >>> G >>> >>> On 27 May 2012, at 19:15, "Fred Heutte" wrote: >>> >>> The word I'm hearing is that Dopplereffekt got booed at a recent >>> show in NY. So this could be interesting, at least. I still play a >>> couple tracks from the Infophysix EP and they certainly had an >>> impact back in the day. >>> >>> So, see you at 8:30 and we'll have something to talk about! >>> >>> fh >>> >>> >>> - >>> >>> Pizza papolis 830. >>> >>> Awesome. >>> >>> On May 26, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Fred Heutte wrote: >>> >>> I always think of Plaka as the place to go at 6 am :) >>> >>> I'm kind of curious to see what Dopplereffekt will actually do -- >>> Underground stage at 7-8, otherwise I'm open. Denise, how >>> about just picking a time and place and let's go with it. >>> >>> fh >>> >>> >>> - >>> >>> I have not been to plaka in YEARS. What time? >>> >>> On May 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: >>> >>> I suggest Plaka. >>> >>> On May 26, 2012 11:42 AM, wrote: >>> 313 dinner Sunday sounds great. Where we meeting? >>> >>> On May 24, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Fred Heutte wrote: >>> >>> Back again and ready to take it all on, although it's going to be hot >>> this weekend and I'm planning to take things back from +4 to +1 >>> as a result : ) >>> >>> Not happy the Tigers aren't in town, but so it goes. >>> >>> 313 should do a dinner get-together or something... Sunday? >>> >>> cheers >>> >>> fh >>> >>> >> >
Re: (313) what up Detroit
I feel like a big huge dick. Enormous. But some things have come up and I won't be able to make the dinner. I'm sorry. My plans tonight include public enemy and tv bar. Denise On May 27, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Fred Heutte wrote: > The word I'm hearing is that Dopplereffekt got booed at a recent > show in NY. So this could be interesting, at least. I still play a > couple tracks from the Infophysix EP and they certainly had an > impact back in the day. > > So, see you at 8:30 and we'll have something to talk about! > > fh > > > - >> Pizza papolis 830. >> >> Awesome. >> >> On May 26, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Fred Heutte wrote: >> >>> I always think of Plaka as the place to go at 6 am :) >>> >>> I'm kind of curious to see what Dopplereffekt will actually do -- >>> Underground stage at 7-8, otherwise I'm open. Denise, how >>> about just picking a time and place and let's go with it. >>> >>> fh >>> >>> >>> - I have not been to plaka in YEARS. What time? On May 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > I suggest Plaka. > > On May 26, 2012 11:42 AM, wrote: > 313 dinner Sunday sounds great. Where we meeting? > > On May 24, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Fred Heutte wrote: > >> Back again and ready to take it all on, although it's going to be hot >> this weekend and I'm planning to take things back from +4 to +1 >> as a result : ) >> >> Not happy the Tigers aren't in town, but so it goes. >> >> 313 should do a dinner get-together or something... Sunday? >> >> cheers >> >> fh >> >>> >> >
Re: (313) what up Detroit
Pizza papolis 830. Awesome. On May 26, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Fred Heutte wrote: > I always think of Plaka as the place to go at 6 am :) > > I'm kind of curious to see what Dopplereffekt will actually do -- > Underground stage at 7-8, otherwise I'm open. Denise, how > about just picking a time and place and let's go with it. > > fh > > > - >> I have not been to plaka in YEARS. What time? >> >> On May 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: >> >>> I suggest Plaka. >>> >>> On May 26, 2012 11:42 AM, wrote: >>> 313 dinner Sunday sounds great. Where we meeting? >>> >>> On May 24, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Fred Heutte wrote: >>> Back again and ready to take it all on, although it's going to be hot this weekend and I'm planning to take things back from +4 to +1 as a result : ) Not happy the Tigers aren't in town, but so it goes. 313 should do a dinner get-together or something... Sunday? cheers fh >> >
Re: (313) what up Detroit
I could easily get down with that. Never been there. On May 26, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Alexandres Lugo wrote: > If you're gonna eat anything in Detroit this year, hit up Bucharest Grill on > Park an Elizabeth, next to Cliff Bells and adjacent to Park Bar. > > Their chicken and beef shawarmas are overtaking the ubiquitous coney dog as > Detroit's favorite snack. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 26, 2012, at 1:39 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I have not been to plaka in YEARS. What time? >> >> On May 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: >> >>> I suggest Plaka. >>> >>> On May 26, 2012 11:42 AM, wrote: >>> 313 dinner Sunday sounds great. Where we meeting? >>> >>> On May 24, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Fred Heutte wrote: >>> >>> > Back again and ready to take it all on, although it's going to be hot >>> > this weekend and I'm planning to take things back from +4 to +1 >>> > as a result : ) >>> > >>> > Not happy the Tigers aren't in town, but so it goes. >>> > >>> > 313 should do a dinner get-together or something... Sunday? >>> > >>> > cheers >>> > >>> > fh >>> > > =
Re: (313) what up Detroit
I have not been to plaka in YEARS. What time? On May 26, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > I suggest Plaka. > > On May 26, 2012 11:42 AM, wrote: > 313 dinner Sunday sounds great. Where we meeting? > > On May 24, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Fred Heutte wrote: > > > Back again and ready to take it all on, although it's going to be hot > > this weekend and I'm planning to take things back from +4 to +1 > > as a result : ) > > > > Not happy the Tigers aren't in town, but so it goes. > > > > 313 should do a dinner get-together or something... Sunday? > > > > cheers > > > > fh > >
Re: (313) what up Detroit
313 dinner Sunday sounds great. Where we meeting? On May 24, 2012, at 11:22 PM, Fred Heutte wrote: > Back again and ready to take it all on, although it's going to be hot > this weekend and I'm planning to take things back from +4 to +1 > as a result : ) > > Not happy the Tigers aren't in town, but so it goes. > > 313 should do a dinner get-together or something... Sunday? > > cheers > > fh >
