Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing “dream.”
A long while after the conversation ended. Are you my mother? > On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier <b...@glzr.info> wrote: > > Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him for > that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about the > matter. > > We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you. > You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have > shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit > or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination. > > Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how > blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is different. > In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own experiences elicit a > response, and whilst we can be more well read than in previous years thanks > to technology, there's still a lot to learn for anyone who has not grown up > with or been subject to this oppression. Humans are fickle and behaviour to > get people on board needs to be constructive. Short answer, it would have > been great if RA had of produced the piece in the way that has been > discussed! Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig deeper and read and > learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further! > > Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who has > some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even one > start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population. I live in > London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of all > backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our racial > issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other countries > and cities. Speaking of London, for those of you here, check these black > history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) - > http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/ > > Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine). Where's George M Smiley > these days? > > Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte. Hadn't heard of him > until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name. > > BG > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> wrote: >> If I am, I really don't mean to be. Guilty of poor communication. >> >> Conversation very confusing. >> >>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude. >>> >>> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR and >>> Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews. >>> >>> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not >>> arrogant enough to post the link again. >>> >>> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, you’re >>> all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you about >>> who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux. 😢 >>> >>> Denise >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> wrote: >>>> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as >>>> it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which >>>> opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am >>>> sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation. I do not have a >>>> neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation. >>>> >>>> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel >>>> very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened >>>> to what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was >>>> ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to >>>> appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the >>>> insult. I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a >>>> listener probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that >>>> I'm not disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I >>>> would be disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to >>>> be disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about >>>> it, leading to my ignorance. >>>> >>>> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise >>>> (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular >>>> email reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem >>>> happily provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and >>>> read more of what you have got to say about it. The music is something >>>> else in any case, but I accept that you probably know a lot better the >>>> motivations behind the music, and that you may be right. >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 12:15 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It took you this long to think of a response. 😲 >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 6, 2018, at 04:07, Steven Robertson <stev...@k-os.net> wrote: >>>>>> Denise >>>>>> >>>>>> I woke up this morning having had a dream where I hadn't really heard >>>>>> what James Stinson was saying to Andrew Duke, that it was about racism, >>>>>> and that Denise was right. The feeling was strong. Only 20 minutes later >>>>>> I'm writing this and I'm still half asleep, but I know this was playing >>>>>> on my mind since reading an article on the mostly unknown involvement of >>>>>> Scottish families in the slave trade, and how Glasgow and Edinburgh >>>>>> benefited, and honoured those families. It makes you feel sick. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not well read on history, but I also have read more recently about >>>>>> the practically unknown, hidden and widespread occupation of Scotland by >>>>>> the British army for many many years following the battle of Culloden. >>>>>> Following that were the highland clearances, ordered by land-owners in >>>>>> England. There's a monument to one of them, the Duke of Sutherland, >>>>>> twice an MP in the British Parliament, he later became the British >>>>>> ambassador in Paris. People demand that the statue be removed, or at >>>>>> least moved. In short, it says more about the British involvement in the >>>>>> slave trade at the time, but Scotland is shamed. Ports were not directly >>>>>> used, but they were used in some arrangement which was directly involved >>>>>> with the slave trade. I felt that we had nothing to do with that ugly >>>>>> business. I was born in Glasgow, and my ancestors there were all poor >>>>>> working class families. I think we should be taught this stuff in >>>>>> school. That's all white-washing and as a result we are mostly ignorant. >>>>>> I will apologise for my own ignorance, and appreciate that you may be >>>>>> right. I certainly woke with a strong feeling that you could be. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, at 7:23 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. >>>>>>> Read my original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, >>>>>>> you’re confused by your rage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Denise >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I >>>>>>>> feel that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >>>>>>>> >50% of the synonyms being a match. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Could I have used another word? Sure, there are many synonyms to >>>>>>>> choose from. I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral >>>>>>>> principles” is precisely what she’s guilty of: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761&hl=en-US&ei=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM&ins=false&q=unscrupulous&oq=uns&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1......0....1.......5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams >>>>>>>> <chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 >>>>>>>> List Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator >>>>>>>> Sceptre, let me say this: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the >>>>>>>> line. And in this particular case, patently absurd. Denise has >>>>>>>> strong opinions and you can argue about them all you want, but she is >>>>>>>> not unscrupulous. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To quote Inigo Montoya, "I do not think it means what you think it >>>>>>>> means." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Agreed, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out >>>>>>>> just as much as actual racist views/comments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Next subject? 🤓👊🏿 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com <ja...@iridite.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.....discussion about Dixon >>>>>>>> Avenue Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ANYWAY....let's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much >>>>>>>> love, massive respect, nuff said >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams <chaircrus...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. >>>>>>>> He's still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka >>>>>>>> MCs (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these >>>>>>>> days. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 >>>>>>>> years ago? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust <mar...@dustscience.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36,ja...@iridite.com wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him? He's always got a calm and >>>>>>>> > measured response in situations like this. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Proper LOL >>>>>> >>>> >> > -- > > -- > b...@bennglazier.com > WWW.BENNGLAZIER.COM
