(313) I'm Bored
Long, intense weekend, not all fun: hung out in the emergency room for 8 hours watching my father go nuts, went swimming with my clothes on for the second time in a week, thanks to my 11 year old nephew, (fun...yes! I've still got it at 37!) Dinner party: friends sitting on your floor making absolutely no sense is the biggest blessing. So, getting the new week on track... UFO: ESG Boys Keep Swinging: David Bowie Spellbound: Siouxsie and The Banshees I'm Bored: Iggy Pop Lucky Number: Lene Lovich Ultravox: White China Shattered: Rolling Stones Jazz Man: Carol King (UR) Galaxy to Galaxy and Octave One discs on the way from Submerge Ok, just wanted to emote into a vast black hole/ corner of cyberspace. Peace Louis
Re: (313) The more things change
Robin, Yup count me in for the afternoon Techno Golden Oldies dance party in the recreation room at the convalescent home. San Diego report: Nothing happens here. Some promoters: Merge Life/ Kava Lounge, DJs: Tyler Brunnel and dirtyradio.net, Austin Speed (artist), myself, all seem to come from a classic house/ techno aesthetic. I'm sure there are more of us..but we all have a great habit of not connecting with one another, so a cohesive scene is never actualized...but it is slowly changing... Easy to freak out the yougins with 'Washing Machine' or 'It What It Is' or 'G Force'...anyone remember that Fuse track: 'Technotropik'?...first few minutes are bitchin' before it kind of moves into that lush 'Pacific State' territory. Anywho. The point: A lot of kids, yes, are more apt to name a superstar DJ than an actual producer, but when you drop some of the classics on them, they freak, and you get to be the wise elder/ hero. Back in the 80's and 90's: You had a lot of music that really made you sit up, take notice and ask What the hell is THAT! or even want to make you rush home to listen (again) to a new record you just bought. I rarely have that happen these days, in spite of some incredible/ inspiring music that is being produced. To Phils question: The context that I hear a lot of original House and Techno are in more lounge atmospheres, where the dance floor, though active, is not the focal point. (80 to 130 BPM) Has the DEMF raised any awareness to real/ buttkicking electronic nutiness? Nope. None that I can decipher out here in San Diego. I really like the pulse/ take on electronic music that Los Angeles' KCRW has taken. They web-cast/ archive. Lots of really great music, and I tune 'em in for their electronic programs. Look 'em up. They have been my saviours for the past 6 years since I have been living in the SD/ LA area. Best, Louis -Original Message- From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 2, 2005 7:04 AM To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) The more things change Not sure why I didn't see this originally. All of the below questions are questions I ask a lot. In the UK techno and house are pretty niche things nowadays, especially when talking about detroit. To a certain extent this is partially my perception of things. Like a lot of us I'm in my 30s now and probably out of touch with what the kids are listening to in clubs, if they are indeed going to clubs or whether they listen to dance music at all. I think maybe this list isn't the place to look for answers to this. From a personal point of view the stuff I've always liked is the slower type of techno you mention below, never really dug the more banging end of things. Anyone else or am I just an old f*rt? :) robin... I?m trying to get an understanding of techno in ?05 and if it?s any different from how it?s always been, i.e. relatively marginal. It seems that the scene is quite healthy, with lots of good new music, but it also seems that it?s never going to grow beyond it?s current niche 'market', if you like. I know that once people hear proper techno house, they dig it, but I?m curious to know how where it?s being heard enjoyed and if it?s audience has changed at all in the last 20 years. Do you think that there is a greater awareness and appreciation of 313 techno over the past 5 or 6 years, i.e. post-DEMF / Movement? If you?re a label or shop owner - are you selling more records CDs? If you?re a radio or club DJ - do you play much techno and what kind of response or feedback to you get? I have noticed that there are quite a lot of new releases with relatively slow tempos, under 125 BPM or thereabouts. Does this make a difference to where and when you play these records, given the fact that they?re clearly not ?peak time? records for most club dancefloors? Innerested to hear what peeps have found. Thanx. Sorry for the lousy formatting. philski
(313) DEC/ White Elephants
Ryan, White Elephants Yes, I have never even come accross a copy of the original Soundtrack 313 in my record hunting. It is one of those rare things that you would just love to see, put your hands on and geek out. (I settled for the Peacefrog release, Excerpts.) You know what is another elusive disk to come by? Texture by Tony Drake. (I ultimately found one for about $75). Best, Louis -Original Message- From: Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 28, 2005 1:18 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) DEC - Original Message - From: Lance @ Inaudible [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you dont have his Soundtrack 313 album. According to Neil, He himself doesn't even have a copy of Soundtrack 313! How he managed that one, I have no idea. It's such a hard release to come by nowadays, too (unless you're willing to pay big money for it)
Re: (313) UR live at the LimeLight
-Forwarded Message- From: fwdthought [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 25, 2005 10:20 AM To: Wojtek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) UR live at the LimeLight Hthis is a super interesting relic. This was a legendary show if i'm not mistaking from around 1992...? If I am correct the lineup would have been: Jeff Mills: DJ, Mad Mike: Electronics, Rob Hood: MC. (Which I find a little annoying, but that was the common rave use of the MC back in the day...) Very cool either way. Thank you. Louis -Original Message- From: Wojtek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 24, 2005 4:13 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) UR live at the LimeLight http://basiclanguage.net/download/live%20at%20limelight.mp3 Is this with Mills as DJ or it already with Alan Oldham?
(313) Interstellar Fugitives/ Japan
The gold worth finding is the gold worth mining! I have never found the music that I love easy to come by. We can all appreciate the thrill of the hunt. Peace.
(313) Tardis, Ayro and John Arnold
Alex, Yup. These cats are a MUST see. Live, electronic, bionic, ultra-phonic. They bring a great, spontaneous, party vibe to their shows. I had the pleasure of seeing them in Detroit, where they rule, of course. Yes, they are out and about in Europe so for all of the 313 ers out there, track 'em down. Peace.
(313) Kraftwerk in LA
Overall a great well rounded show. Some very inspired moments: 'Man Machine' at the opening of the show, the 'Tour de France' montage and 'Autobahn' were all stellar. Show was in the middle of the Hollywood Hills, nature, trees etc, beautiful, clear night. A very mellow and respectful crowd, lots of little kids, families etc. My first time seeing Kraftwerk. You know, some things you just have to see. I can't tell if I feel obliged to say 'it was a good show', y'know the way your kinda obliged to like 'Revenge of The Sith' just because it's 'Star Wars' and you invested 30 years of your life! Well, y'know, it's Kraftwerk...whadyaa gonna do? Technically impressive, some live, warm elements could be detected, some very inspired moments. Overall: B+ Peace from So Cal.
(313) Jean Luc Ponty
Oh Yeah! Individual Choice for me his best work. The title track, for sure some proto-Detroit electronic brain candy. Check it out.
(313) Fw: DEQ
-Forwarded Message- From: fwdthought [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 1, 2005 12:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DEQ A few people inquired about DEQ. I just got mine online from the Submerge e-store. Pick it up if you can. Nice, tasteful, production. Kinda gives you a window on the Detroit community as a whole. Interviews with Ron Hardy and Mike Banks. Most importantthe cd sampler, is excellent, of course. Brownstudy and Keven Reynolds are my favorite tracks. Submerge also has sound samples of each of the 14 songs. So, whaddya waiting for?... Best.
(313) guide to k.hand
Tresor II- Berlin Detroit- a compilation from the early 90's- had my favorite all time K.Hand track (cd only). Mystery. That classic, hard 909 kick, tweeky acid line contrasted by a beatiful pad wash. Much greater props are due K.Hand.
(313) PROPAGANDA
Alright! You know any talk of Propaganda and ZTT in general will bring me out of the woodwork. What can I say. The one true Propaganda album A Secret Wish is a huge influence on me. Murder of Love happens to be my favorite. Dream Within A Dream still- way ahead of it's time. ZTT had a way of crafting albums: engineering, sequencing, production, packaging. Detroit's early aesthetic ran parallel/ similar to this, in my opinion. Can any native Detroit artist vouch for this influence? (Kind of a Nouveu Urbane influence, y'know, 1980s UK, Face Magazine etc..) Claudia Brucken, the original singer for Propaganda is still active. She has two new projects out on her new label: There(there). One is a collaboration with Paul Humphreys from OMD, a 5 track ep called: One/Two: Item. The second, another collaboration (...a wet dream for you real ZTT geeks...) with Andrew Poppy called Another Language. The latter is simply fantastic. Andrew Poppy on piano with Claudia on vocals. Torch song type arrangements of a very ecclectic song list: Frank Black, Elvis Costello, Kate Bush, among others. ZTT appears to be helping with distribution of both projects as I purchased my copies directly from their website. Also, if you are not familiar with Andrew Poppy, do yourself a favor and check him out. Find his stuff from 20 years ago and you will simply find yourself here in 2005 looking 20 years ahead(!?) Late night milk and cookies must be kicking in... OH! Cyclone, I am still working on a package of goodies for you. I know it has taken me 6 months, but I do have a number disks that I will post out to you by the end of the month. Best regards, Louis
(313) MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND 05
Okeh- So, no Movement this year. What is the word in Detroit for Memorial Day Weekend? My estimation is that for the last three years, the parties that occured during the festival weekend, were events unto themselves, No? I bet most of our best memories, experiences occured during these parties. Do you think these parties will still be going on? Should we all converge on Detroit- festival or no festival, if only to give a collective middle finger to all the naysayers. Louis
(313) ROLANDO DRAMA
You know, I'd keep that press release drama in check. (Yeah, it kinda makes one salivate for the salacious details...) I'm sure there is a lot more to it, but, y'know, it seems UR needs to operate in this manner. We've seen it a number of times before, when a soldier blows up in such a big way, they almost have to leave the camp... and graduate from being a soldier to being an ambassador...y'know, cause they are reaching such a large variety of people. This is a very good thing, in my opinion. Did we hear less from Rob Hood, Jeff Mills or Alan Oldham? No, they went on to bigger things, matured as artists, and have converted many more people than they would have in the context of a group, and turned that many more people onto UR. Rolando will do the same. He'll always be a part of UR. The cycle continues...
(313) definitive detroit track?
Yes, 'At Les' is a serious classic. If I were to make a 10 track mix CD, demonstrating what electronic music and Detroit Techno in specific was... 'At Les' would be on that diskbut hold onwhat if you could ONLY choose ONE track to demonstrate your love of Detroit Techno and it's all consuming power?what would that be? Yes, I know there are SO many...but, you can only choose one... By default, would you be compelled to choose 'Strings of Life' as it has arguably become kind of the Detroit Techno ambassador to the world? Or...how deep are you willing to go?...at the risk of alienating a potential convert... For me, I'd be handing out copies of 'It Is What It Is' like a priest giving out holy communion to all those wanting to be saved. (No Catholic jokes please.) Ok, ok..I know I said only one...but I'd have to sneak in 'Jupiter Jazz' ...and those that could handle 'G force' would get that upside they hedz! On second thought, yeah- nevermind- this is fruitless- as I stare at my wall of CDs and mix disks- just too much good stuff to haggle over. Forget I even said anything. Let's just exchange holiday greetings for the next few days instead. Best. Louis
(313) going to 11
UR- Jupiter Jazz/ G Force D-May- It Is What It Is (..and I yam what I yam...) M- fingers- Never No More Lonely M- Jefferson- Stay In The Life Maurizio- M4 or was it 5? Maybe M7? Hendrix- Third Stone From The Sun/ If 6 was 9 K Larkin- Corbomite Manuever R Hood- Home K Hand- Mystery ...and it goes on and on and on and on and on, and it's gonna be alright
(313) EU VS US FU
Blah blah blah F all djs. Make your own g damn tracks. There. problem solved. Promoters and djs here and abroad can boycott the f out of each other if anyone gives a rat's ass. Y'all better watch it or the actual people that PRODUCE the f'n music to begin with will boycott YOU. (COZ YOU AIN'T RESPECTIN' THE MUSIC FIRST!) he he he. Arguably, if you were not doing it at the infancy of what has become dj culture and the golden age of electronic music, (by the early nineties on my watch...) Why and what are you doing it for? How much do you really love music? Back to the music please. Much respect, Louis.
(313) TECHNO FILMS
Friends, I think many can agree that Bladerunner tops the list as the best Techno Film. For me, because of the human elements of the film. It is a very realistic story, people trying to make sense of their realities and not being sure of what exactly is real. Love that. AI- Artificial Intelligence...almost. The movie should have ended with that robot kid at the bottom of that backyard swimming pool, after he almost drowns his brother. It makes a better short film. All that nonsense in the 2nd half of the movie, total Spielberg...cute, friendly robots, garish color... etc...eeech! How about Soylent Green? Pretty f'n scary predictions. Read the book, see the movie, see current events. (For that matter: The Omega Man and the original Planet of The Apes. Charlton Heston was on this socio-political kick in the late 60's and early 70's when these films were made.) Oh! the original Rollerball, with James Caan. Great vision on what/ how corporations will run our lives in the future. Peace, Louis
(313) De la Guarda
De la Guarda is hot. I saw this in NYC about 5 years ago. It has been a long running off broadway production for sometime now. Originated in Argentina. It is more an avante garde dance/ theatrical piece. So, it is abstract enough for you to inject any story line and metaphors you like. Lots of audience participation, in a sense that the action is happening all around/ above you. It has always had a strong tie to club culture/ tribalism. The original soundtrack had strong electronic elements, live drumming/ tribal percussion etc. More recently to inject some new blood into the production, they have been using live DJs to provide the soundtrack. Yes, D. May worked it in August of last year, I believe. I've heard nothing but great things about this infusion. You know D. May with his improvisational/ musical knowledge and prowess, was most likely the best of all the pairings. It's an intense show. A must see before it goes away. I'm sure there is a website. Peace
(313) De la Guarda
Oh! an another thing Lots of info on the web about 'em, but Google 'em up... Australian website has video. Check it out and imaginee how intense it would be with your favorite DJ in the mix... delaguarda.com.au
(313) Mo' Geo
My last thought on Techno Geography... We're all on individual paths. Far and away and back again, all in search of the perfect grooves, real and imagined. So go for it, or let it come to you. Wherever you may be. I liked Thomas' direction...new thread on Chicago House...Trax 20 year collection...and other Chicago house labels...let's move on that bit...Let's give some love to Chicago! Best, Louis
(313) Techno Geography
Friends, I think all of this talk on geography and how it affects our productivity/ involvement/ opportunities as producers, djs, artists, fans etc. is a key topic. It matters, and it does not matter. First, I must quote The Pet Shop Boys... ...there's a lot of opportunities, if there are'nt you can make them... I've been very tempted to move to Detroit. However, after questioning my motivations, I see that by doing so, I am only chasing myths and ghosts of what I think a Detroit experience should be. I can say that the few times I have visited, I have been completely blown away: the sincere people, Detroit's love of ALL music, Detroit's freakishness...and of course all of the incredible artists that populate that city, in their varied mediums, not just techno music. I'm talking photgrapy, advertising, graphic design, political thought, journalism. Detroit Rock City! Godamn it! I really think you are born into it and must have it in your blood and veins. I am happy with the idea that it CANNOT be transplated by a simple change of geography. (Apply to your dream city/ situation of choice) Great teachers want their disciples to spread the word, set up their own churches, communes, record labels, clubs, 'zines...etc. Detoit is the teacher. I guess it depends on what you are doing. I have found that more easy going evirons fuel my creativity, as a producer. I can riff and ramble on this a lot more. My head hurts right now. Peace, Louis
Re: FW: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 6, 2004 8:31 AM To: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: FW: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? How much will one pay for records? Depends. Lately, I have been on the hunt for music that has more so been HAUNTING ME FOR YEARS! Stuff that was very influential on me from the late 80s/ early 90s/ golden age: Scala, Helen Sharpe, Untouchables, Shades of Rhythm, J-dee...hmmm...stuff from artists that kind of fell by the wayside, but nonetheless...I was listening. SO, I'll shell out top dollar for stuff like this: $25 for a 12 or $75 for a cd. There was a very rare collaboration between D-may and C-craig on ebay. Never released, sounded interesting. 12 going for $75. So, I guess I am more so looking for rarities, collectables. Peace! yeah, as I've mentioned before, one of the local shops here has a fairly good relationship with Watts distribution Watts had a warehouse full of records and CDs that they had lost inventory on and they were tired of paying rent on the storage space so they sold the whole entire warehouse to the local shop here in Minneapolis The shop has been putting the records - brand new and most still sealed - out for sale for ridiculous prices $2 for 12 to maybe $11 for a double or triple vinyl. The big finds have been Claude Young's Acid Wash Conflict on 7th City - sealed for $3 Dan Bell's Elevate Special Projects 1 - the original ltd to 500 release - for $2! the record was brand new never played Paul W. Teebrooke - OW002 and Nova 12 brand new for $3 each Sterac - Secret Life Remixes Pt.1 Most of the Tons of Tones 12 on Urban Sound of Amsterdam quite a number of early Detroit house/techno records (Happy Records, Santonio Echols, etc.) there's a been a few more but can't recall everything MEK It's good when shops 'discover' a lost batch of original pressings which sometimes happens - Piccadilly di this recently with the Mowax stuff - and I checked with the label, they really were original. If they were bootlegs they were damn fine ones, original art, little postcard, cardboard sleeves and mega loud pressing (esp for 1996.) I had not heard 'Ravers Suck Our Sound' before I gotr this so I was grateful. This also happened with Roy Davis Junior's 'Gabriel' thing a few years ago too. Anyone else with such tales?
