Re: (313) juan and kraftwerk (was Re: (313) 313 - T)
Frank Glazer wrote: On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Thor Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To play devil's advocate, that doesn't prove that if Kraftwerk had never existed, Detroit techno would not have existed. That was exactly my point. If you ask me, it proves that Detroit techno would have existed even if Kraftwerk had not existed, because Juan said he was already doing techno before hearing kraftwerk! ...and Juan and Juan had obviously been hearing things which were influenced by Kraftwerk, whether he knew it or not, so...?
Re: (313) juan and kraftwerk (was Re: (313) 313 - T)
Frank Glazer wrote: all i'm saying, and all i've ever said, is that juan atkins was making techno before he heard kraftwerk. why is that so hard to understand? It isn't. What makes it illogical is the notion that he somehow escaped the influence, whether or not he had heard the band.
Re: (313) Movement Pics
Frank Glazer wrote: says a lot about dubstep if you ask me. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't know, but its good to see some old fogies down with the dubstep : ) Rav Interesting - what does dubstep have to do with anything? Unless they cracked into it when I wasn't listening (entirely possible, btw, as I didn't see the entire set) jeff
RE: (313) Movement Pics
52 in September - still buying what I can afford to buy on an ex-GM worker 's (now part-time college prof) pension. Thank God for working wives!!! :-) jeff -- Original message -- From: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. true true 2. groovy old fogies in the house, hollaar ! hollar ! -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2008 14:03 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Movement Pics 1. Maybe he just liked the T-Shirt? 2. there are 2 kinds of fogies -- those that stopped buying new music once they had a kid and bought a house, and those of us who are addicted to hearing new music. We, the latter fogies, manage to stay hep and groovy. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:53 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't know, but its good to see some old fogies down with the dubstep : ) Rav To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
Re: (313) Movement Pics
I spaced his Skull Disco T and was just thiking about the set they played. My bad. jeff -- Original message -- From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. Maybe he just liked the T-Shirt? 2. there are 2 kinds of fogies -- those that stopped buying new music once they had a kid and bought a house, and those of us who are addicted to hearing new music. We, the latter fogies, manage to stay hep and groovy. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:53 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't know, but its good to see some old fogies down with the dubstep : ) Rav
RE: (313) Movement Pics
I'm fine with all you chilluns - just stay the f^%$ of of my lawn, and for God's sake, get rid of those troll dolls and pacifiers. -- Original message -- From: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] easy pops : ) about 10 years behind you. Likewise I cant afford to buy too much. Last techno I bought was B12 - Last Days of Silence, good to see the UK coming with releases this strong. off topic bit, keeping up with the youngers with some of the techy dubstep 2562, Pinch Berlin dubby dubstep Scuba and d/ling grime mixes Rav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2008 15:13 To: Mann, Ravinder; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Movement Pics 52 in September - still buying what I can afford to buy on an ex-GM worker 's (now part-time college prof) pension. Thank God for working wives!!! :-) jeff -- Original message -- From: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. true true 2. groovy old fogies in the house, hollaar ! hollar ! -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 May 2008 14:03 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Movement Pics 1. Maybe he just liked the T-Shirt? 2. there are 2 kinds of fogies -- those that stopped buying new music once they had a kid and bought a house, and those of us who are addicted to hearing new music. We, the latter fogies, manage to stay hep and groovy. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:53 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't know, but its good to see some old fogies down with the dubstep : ) Rav To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
Re: (313) Movement Pics
Michael Kuszynski wrote: i say a pretty sane looking guy in his forties standing in the lawn in front of the hawtin close out on sunday, and was curious what the deal was. kind of looked like ned flanders but not weird. 'twarn't me. I'm in my fifties and I can still kick Ned's can. Nothing against Richie, but with C2 a few feet down the way, the Hawtin tent is not the lawn I'd be guarding. jeff
Re: (313) Movement Pics
Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what do you mean you wondered what the deal was??? Bouncers don't let in non-beautiful people without some interesting reason. Those bouncers (and prettier people) all have dads and grandads - or did, at some point. And a lawn can be anywhere a disoriented, post-fifty techno fan decides it to be. jeff
Re: (313) Movement has competition...
robin wrote: Lat time I asked this Tom Cox was the youngest. My challenge was that we were all over 25. I think I may have been right. How about the 'over 50s'? j
Re: (313) Movement Pics
Yup - he is 1/3 of Nospectacle ( http://nospectacle.com/ ), 2/3 of which appear in the pic from Resident Advisor. Thomas Ainslie wrote: That looks like Chris McNamara (of Thinkbox?) on the left. He was my animation professor in college. Awesome guy. http://www.thinkbox.ca/ On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am going to regret asking this, because i should probably know, but does anybody know who the fogies are in this pic: http://www.residentadvisor.net/photo-view.aspx?set=3869i=dsc09817.jpg
Re: (313) Festival IX
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly! Can't really picture penguins smashing each other's teeth out with big sticks- Let's see a polar bear hang tight with his main squeeze's fertilized egg between his feet all frackin' winter in the arctic with nothing to eat! I've always though sports would be MUCH more interesting if, for example, the Miami Dolphins *were* actually dolphins, the Lions lions, etc. To compound the fun, when Lions play Dolphins, they would have to be underwater and equipped with breathing gear, etc. jeff
Re: (313) Movement has competition...
Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's this bizarre phenomenon that seems to be happening in the youth culture in the US that the death throes of the rave scene circa 2000 are being replayed over and over again with complete disregard for the contemporary adult electronic music industry. the music focuses primarily on hard house and hardcore. What universe are you from where this kind of this actually went away for a while? Really. They were handing out flyers for this one years ago at DEMF. Not *quite* as obscure as MEMF, but W(E)TF? http://wemf.com/ jeff
Re: (313) movement stage sound system reviews
Personally, I thought the Red Bull/Myspace stage (riverfront) kicked the biggest share of tail this time out. The Pioneer stage was also really, really nice - Andy Toth's set was quite memorable there for me. When there wasn't a monkey blowing out the bass signals at the Beatport tent (rarely was that the case when I walked over there), the sound was good. I avoided most of the few artists I was interested in hearing on that side of Hart Plaza simply because they couldn't be HEARD. I liked Guillaume and the Coatu Dumonts' set. Hauling up those bottoms and lining the top of the underground stage was a good idea; it opened up some of the highs and cleared out some of the 'basement mud.' Main stage was fine as long as the bass wasn't pushed too hard/signal overcompressed/ over whatever the f*^ one does to blow the entire mids and most of the highs out of range (maybe they heard them in Windsor?). I can do boom-boom as well as the next person, but way too often it was just a complete waste of what, by all appearances, was some fine technology. Mind you, nothing came close to that wonderful Funktion One setup at the riverfront last year, but everything else was definitely raised a notch. The canopies (vs. the tents) were good ideas too. Let's talk numbers. What I noticed is that there were more people EARLY on Saturday than I've ever seen...and less people mid-day and into the evening on all three nights (not that I stayed all 3). Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looked like a low turnout to me. And, to be honest, despite some nice sets, it wasn't the most memorable fest. I always go. I hope I always will (?) jeff Michael Kuszynski wrote: what did you all think of the stages. i thought, unfortunately, the real detroit underground stage had weak sound, and the main stage had great broad range. the hawtin tent was really crisp and rich, but i actually thought the stuff coming out of the pioneer pacha stage might have been great too, though i did not venture into it to listen to performances.
Re: (313) Electro Recommends?
Howzabout the new Datassette LP on Ai? jeff -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone recommend some newish forward thinking Electro? Getting tired of stuff that either sounds like it's stuck back in '84, Robert Smith rocker wannabes, or is really just nu-school Big Beat breaks in disguise. MEK
Re: (313) 313 - T
look, i have nothing but love for kraftwerk. much of their oeuvre is quite good, and i've been a fan since, i dunno, 1985. but i just think their importance is overrated. like i said, nobody can deny their influence, but i really believe that american disco, funk and electro and dare i say synthpop as a conglomeration was more important to the detroit techno sound than the individual effect of kraftwerk. i don't think that's too hard to understand, or agree with. i mean, really, when it comes down to it, the biggest influence on the B3 is consistently listed as mojo, and kraftwerk was just one of many MANY things that he played, right??? It's pretty hard to envision WHAT Mojo would have played had there been no Kraftwerk and the bands THEN-influenced by them. And as soon as you raised that electro flag in the above paragraph, it really derailed your pitch. I don't know too many variations of electro which don't somehow hearken back in that direction. Good Lord - can anyone imagine the Nu Dance Show without 50 versions of Egyptian Lover/Tour de France (or even Egyptian Lover without Kraftwerk in the wings)? jeff
Re: (313) 313 - T
like i said, nobody can deny their influence, but i really believe that american disco, funk and electro and dare i say synthpop as a conglomeration was more important to the detroit techno sound than the individual effect of kraftwerk. Additionally, while the mentions of funk and disco are relevant, the 'conglomeration of synth-pop' you cite above can be argued as having largely evolved from kraftwerkian tendrils. We might have had some form of YMO as a factor, but even they cite the well known cyclists as formative - and besides, they still don't have the recognition factor of Kraftwerk. jeff
Re: (313) strings of life ...groan....
Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: Marvin is a better name for a robot... And, in fact, MARVIN is the name of the robot who talks to you when you phone in an unemployment claim in Michigan - or at least, it used to be. Maybe he's moonlighting as a conductor...although he should have his hands full with the day job in Michigan right now. jeff
Re: (313) demf interactive map
Matt Chester wrote: that's very handy, thanks for sharing :) so where are the good places to eat on here? any recommendations anyone? (for places that are walking distance downtown, we won't have a car unfortunately...) Find someone with a car! Try Thang Long in Madison Heights for a$$kicking Viet. jeff
Re: (313) Another Level - ContaKT
*Which* ones are the ceylons again? And where's Starbuck? jeff Martin Dust wrote: You know how I've been defending Richie a bit, well christ knows what the techno gods are going to make of this: http://www.contakt-events.com/ But it made me laugh thinking about everyone kicking off. hard-core techno crew to the roof, dirty protest required m
Re: (313) John Foxx Influence On 313
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was certainly a guy who caught my attention at the time and I went on liking for time afterward. I liked The Garden LP best I think. When I first saw Gary Newman on Top Of The Pops I thought hey, he looks like he's trying to rip off that other guy from a few weeks back's style ;-) The legend has it that Numan *taught* Foxx to play synth. jeff
Re: (313) John Foxx Influence On 313
I think Numan has identified Foxx as an influence, ironically. Foxx was leading Ultravox before Gary appeared on the scene. I'll try to dig up the source, but I believe Numan had the lead on synth work and actually tutored Foxx in that light. Ultravox wasn't nearly as synth-laden in the early days (it becomes more predominant in Systems of Romance), and ironically, both Ultravox and Foxx become much more synthesized AFTER Foxx left Ultravox and Ure took his place. Billy Currie seemed much more in the spotlight after Use stepped in. jeff
Re: (313) John Foxx Influence On 313
Yup - at least I'm clear that I read details about it back when it was happening. I was moonlighting as a records store clerk in charge of ordering imports in the mid-late 70s/early 80s and I kept up on everything of that nature back then. I also had a friend who dated the Warners record rep who met Numan (traveling then with his mum and dad - they all had tea and cookies together after a Detroit show!)and talked with him about it. Let me dig a bit after finishing up some leftover student-interaction from last night (first class of the mew term) and I'll see if I can pry up something. It seems like I have found something of a confession by Foxx online somewhere. I believe Numan taught Foxx how to use a certain kind of synth. I know Billy Currie actually handled the synths in Ultravox! and he played in Numan's band after Foxx left. jeff I think Numan has identified Foxx as an influence, ironically. Foxx was leading Ultravox before Gary appeared on the scene. I'll try to dig up the source, but I believe Numan had the lead on synth work and actually tutored Foxx in that light. Ultravox wasn't nearly as synth-laden in the early days (it becomes more predominant in Systems of Romance), and ironically, both Ultravox and Foxx become much more synthesized AFTER Foxx left Ultravox and Ure took his place. Billy Currie seemed much more in the spotlight after Use stepped in. You sure about that Jeff? Ultravox released stuff in 77 with synths, a year before Numan. m
Re: (313) John Foxx Influence On 313
Let us not forget that neither Numan nor Foxx (in their respective main bands) came out of the gate tooled for synth-pop. The connection to which I refer may be simply that Numan pushed Foxx towards a Prophet 5 - who, in turn, goaded Billy Currie into buying one. I do believe Numan showed Foxx how to program it. I'll find someone I know offlist who is as ancient as I am and kept track of such nonsense... jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, the beauty of 313! These replies are really interesting, I'd connected these 2 guys for years but thought that was just in my head (and that they were roughly contemporary). But the below and Cyclone's post about Numan (sorry for earlier spelling!) citing Foxx as an influence show something more substantial. Not sure how to square the 2 though - as Cyclone mentions he was fronting Ultravox before Numan came on the scene? Just been off to check Discogs and Cars was 1979, Ha Ha Ha '77. I thought the gap was bigger. Maybe John was a fast learner ;-) From: theREALmxyzptlk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 May 2008 12:14 The legend has it that Numan *taught* Foxx to play synth
Re: (313) John Foxx Influence On 313
Nice interview here: http://www.toazted.com/playinterview/1592/Dave-Clarke-interviews-John-Foxx-interview-part-1.html
Re: (313) John Foxx Influence On 313
I know he was all over The Pleasure Principle and I'm pretty sure he's in cars. He can't be missed if he is! jeff Nice one Jeff, doesn't Billy appear in the Cars video? I don't remember seeing any credits for him tho and I have all the early TA/GN releases. m
Re: (313) John Foxx Influence On 313
Martin Dust wrote: On 7 May 2008, at 13:24, theREALmxyzptlk wrote: I know he was all over The Pleasure Principle and I'm pretty sure he's in cars. He can't be missed if he is! I'm sure he only played on two tracks...let me pull the cover... m I should have been clearer - I believe he did the tour for the record. Not sure how many tracks he was on. jeff
Re: (313) John Foxx Influence On 313
I saw him right around this time (the same 'tea and cookies with mum' tour) which provided some fun technology blunders. Numan had this whole maybe I'm an alien disassociated, disaffected stage presence going on, and he'd just incorporated two electronic space-car looking bots (rather like the robot vacs we see today with capstan drives - they back up when resistance is felt)to roll all over the stage as he did Cars. While he was struggling to stay in mystery-space persona, the cars spent time getting stuck on either ends of the stage of the as one of the wheels of each would slide off the lip of the stage or get stuck elsewhere. Numan sauntered intensely to one side of the stage and clandestinely booted one of them back into motion...soon after the other got stuck. It was a hoot watching him spend the duration of the song in his 'Machman' pose while trying desperately to keep his props working - especially when they both got stuck simultaneously at opposite side of the stage. He cracked a brief wtf? smile. He was really a kid when all of this was happening in his career. It must have been a whirlwind. I'm not sure what my friend expected when he met him, but he was really shocked at how young (with parents, etc) Numan seemed offstage compared to his cyborgish onstage mask. jeff I know he was all over The Pleasure Principle and I'm pretty sure he's in cars. He can't be missed if he is! I'm sure he only played on two tracks...let me pull the cover... m I should have been clearer - I believe he did the tour for the record. Not sure how many tracks he was on. jeff
Re: (313) John Foxx Influence On 313
I loved all that stuff, Replicas and Pleasure Principle remain in my top twenty - massive influence. It was great. That was a really exciting period to be living near a city where bands played and working at a store/influencing the stock in the late 70s/early 80s. As for touring with his mam and dad, well his mam still runs the fan club and his dad does the post run once a week :) Back then it was such a surprise. The exposure I had to punk/new wave, etc. often happened at Detroit bars like 'Bookies Club 870.' Detroit has a rich 'punk' history, and Bookies is a huge part of it. Gay bar through the weekdays, punk bar on weekends and most nights - it was in an infamous strip on 6 mile that became a fairly wild culture clash (just the sights)on punk nights. All that to say that Numan's onstage persona fit very much into the whole scene back then, but his offstage demeanor seemed, well, radically different. It was like Wendy O Williams becoming a nun (not simply wearing a habit ;-) or something. Speaking of Wendy (God rest her soul), she actually reached down the front of my pants (I had one a one-piece jumpsuit thing from work. It fit there. Trust me) as part of a Plasmatics show at Bookies. I was the envy of my male friends. jeff
Re: (313) Re: speaking of electro Convextion...
Very solid compilation on Arne Weinberg's imprint. He's selling copies through discogs (where I got mine)... jeff I love it ! And i'm so glad to hear a new Derek Carr track, sooo much emotions in it. I wish i could see him live on a top of a mountain with a sunset and the caress of this warm breeze on my cheeks. - K* ...features a new track in that vein: http://www.rubadub.co.uk/?node_id=1.3id=22307 Andrew
Re: (313) 2of2 re: sharing music vs. DJ ego re: Hypersampling (was re: RA100podcast)
to me, its close to ripping people off you remove a piece of audio from its context, and you've divested the creator from the sound with almost 100% efficiency I see the point - but there are whole schools of art which purposely divest an object from its context to recontextualize it/present it in entirely different ways as a whole other work of art, often 'commenting' on the source via the new context. The difference I can see is that your Lichtensteins and Warhols - as well as all manner of audio sampling which lends itself to trainspotting - use enough of the borrowed text to comment/wink inside of the new frame. What emerges from Hawtin's process is not the same kind of art; we don't recognize the sources, so those references from the first context are gone until we look on the liner notes, for the most part. It seems to me like Hawtin is immersed in the philosophy/concept/possibilities inherent in what he is doing less than exactly how it functions when it lands. As long as he's clear about his sources, he can't be accurately labeled a plagiarizer. The notion of it is interesting in a poststructural kinda way, regardless of the mix. dux
Re: (313) Swamp Pop
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who's Fats Domino? Is he from Berlin? Jason He's from Blueberry Hill. jeff
Re: (313) Reference track
A friend's father (a sound engineer) used to say Orbital II (Brown) is the bomb for checking a system. jeff
Re: (313) Convextion and Echospace @ Fabric
Personally, I see them as related, but different animals. I saw Mr. Modell at DEMF years back and it was stellar. The poor sound is one thing, but it doesn't lead me to turn away from the style. YMMV, of course. Off to work... jeff Imo, it's not so much BC mark II as much as 'BC, AD' [if you catch my drift] with the emphasis more on 'dead' than 'domini'. The pair are so obviously influenced by BC, you'd hope but they'd also learn about the subtlety in almost subliminal changes of atmosphere which you get with BC tracks and which keeps them sparkling for several minutes at a time. So far [again, imo] they've singularly failed to. And if you fail in subtlety, the faults of that style become glaringly obvious and it simply doesn't work anymore.
Re: (313) Online ecord stores
A-men. For a while after I first retired from GM (and hadn't appropriately adjusted my outgo with my income), I ordered several boxes from Hardwax and a few from Clone and RH, but as I have to make do on blazing the college adjunct trail these days, I can rarely afford anything I have to import. I look at the new releases on their sites and drool. More than anything, I subsist on pay-for downloads from Bleep (when something lands there I want), sometimes Beatport, or even Boomkat. Cool or not, I want to listen and slsk just doesn't cover the economic bases for the artists. I live just outside of the D, and it's tough getting Detroity things HERE for Pete's sake. You can't blame the artists for shipping the wax where it fetches the bacon, but it's a sad state when one has to import the music made around the corner. The real b*tch for me about FE is playing the guessing game concerning whether or not they'll have any of the latest holy grail. So many times after I have bit the bullet and imported, I've seen them offer whatever it is I sold my soul to have mailed from across the pond. The next time I gamble on them, I find all copies went abroad. I've gone back and forth on hoarding vinyl (well, not really *hoarding*...), and while I'd much rather own a RECORD than a file, these days I don't have much choice and I'm thankful when I can find someone who sells what I want digitally. jeff i want so badly to support rush hour, hardwax and clone, but their shipping and total cost per record is just...
Re: (313) Online ecord stores
FE is fine if what you want is in stock. Speaking as someone who'd like to keep on *current* things domestic and abroad musically, it's not so hot. It won't do to wait on them to get in much of anything that's limited, and it's a crap shoot waiting to see if they'll get the records in which create a buzz here. Usually it's a losing bet. On the other hand, they'll often roll out a huge back-catalogue of a label which wasn't that hot last year. It depends on what you want. They are efficient and fast if you specify you want backorders skipped and shipping asap, but as far as keeping *consistently* current on things (save mostly the 'trendy' ends of techno, the Soul Jazz catalogue, and the odd gem here and there) - and especially as Tom mentioned, the Detroity stuff - you're better off elsewhere. I use a mail order service (PBE) which is run out of NY. No online site with interactive samples, etc, but excellent and faster service with a more varied stock (including imports). jeff forced exposure. great experience every time. email them to make sure what you want is available, especially if it is slighty more uncommon.
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD Octex vid
By the way Jernej, I finally downloaded and watched your Emergon video/track - very nice stuff indeed. For those who haven't seen it, check the avi here: http://www.octex.si/video.html jeff
(313) Re: Octex vid
Thanks yet again. For the record, I've *always* enjoyed your stuff - mixes, live shows, and those Tehnika discs. jeff Actually I have another video, that I did some time ago, for some DVD compilation, that unfortunately hasent been released yet and it seams that it won't happen any time soon... You can watch/download it here: http://www.octex.si/video/octex-remories.avi
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
Indeed. I remember when the fracas over those splits first started - mine are still in slimlines. Most of the old tin-box CD packages run the same risk of splitting from the inside out. jeff -- Original message -- From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just pulled the metal can down off my shelf to rip it, and my copy has a nasty circular scratch in it, and the fricken CD is actually cracked from the center outwards about an inch. Maybe I should send the CD and the frickin metal can case back to Hardwax and ask for another. On the other hand, the silver paint is coming off my Porter Ricks can and it's starting to rust. I was going to ask if anyone had mp3s but miraculously it seems to be ripping OK If you haven't destroyed your Chain Reactions CDs yet -- take them out of the cans and put them in a less brutal sleeve!
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
The plastic of the disc will not expand and contract like the metal stub on which it rests in the case; over time, as it gets warm and expands, the discs crack from the center outward . jeff -- Original message -- From: Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] as i'm not the owner of any chain reaction tin case CDs i'm a bit out of the loop. what was it about the design of those cases that wreaked havoc upon the discs?
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
That could well be the case, but I burned cdrs from my copies right after I got them and played those, especially when traveling. When I heard people had cracked discs, I checked my own and three of them were cracked. None of them were even opened more than a few times. Chain Reaction figured it out and moved to the uglier 'soft covers' eventually. And I can't find a few of the CDs I have sitting in stacks of slimlines. The notion of a CD banging around on bare metal as packaging always seemed just this side of the legendary Durutti Column LP that used sandpaper for the jacket. Interesting aesthetically, but a tad shy on the function meter (unless you hate Vini Reilly) jeff Not that it's either here nor there, but I don't think that at normal temps, the difference between the expansion rate of stamp metal and whatever plastic they make CDs from differs that much. I think it's as much the fact that a plastic CD case's spindle-holder is made of plastic that bows in when you push on the CD, then pops back out so that a little lip on each tine of the spindle-thingie keeps the CD in place. There is little or no outward force on the hole in the CD.
Re: (313) TJ Kong / Slam
back in 1975-1976, there was actually an Arp *store*... back then I fancied myself the next Emerson Dude, You were STILL into ELP by '75?!? They were so last week after Brain Salad Surgery... jeff
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
J.C. wrote: On 10 April 2008, theREALmxyzptlk wrote: What's nearly as pathetic are the idiots who turn it into a vinyl vs. digital culture war or simply think it's a hoot. One wonders how they might feel if someone helped himself to their belongings. If that's what being 'hipster' is all about, the 'scene' deserves to collapse. I've had records stolen at gigs. Friends have had entire record bags stolen at gigs. It is definitely not a vinyl vs. digital culture war. My remarks were made after reading the first post and then directly perusing the comments made *on the page the post linked*. The early comments are definitely about said culture war. jeff
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, from what i gathered, he deserved it because he is a hipster minimal musician that performs with a laptop and was too busy dancing. I'm still confused about those who insist on pinning the phrase 'hipster' on someone else while the former are obviously insisting they represent true 'hip.' The fact that someone got ripped off is lost in the posing. I guess it's okay to vandalize as long as the victim isn't cool. jeff
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
I think if you feel that strongly you should stay on the list and fight your cause. Maybe - but some fights aren't worth waging. For instance, if one or both sides seem overzealously (religiously) entrenched and unyielding in position, and there's no clean exit strategy in sight, it may be time to withdraw and realize that the weapons of mass destruction only exist in the minds of those riding the wave of division. jeff
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
Nick Parish wrote: April 09, 2008 Matthew Dear's hard drive stolen mid-performance... People - they ain't no good (Nick Cave). What's nearly as pathetic are the idiots who turn it into a vinyl vs. digital culture war or simply think it's a hoot. One wonders how they might feel if someone helped himself to their belongings. If that's what being 'hipster' is all about, the 'scene' deserves to collapse. jeff
Re: (313) Booooooo!!!!!
What's nearly as pathetic are the idiots who turn it into a vinyl vs. digital culture war or simply think it's a hoot. i think its a hoot. a whole harddrive? wow that must be so hard to replace. i feel so bad for him. not. Dramatic irony is always the best kind.
(313) well, it LOOKS interesting...
...I figure it will generate an argument. ;-) http://theworld.org/taxonomy_by_date/2/20080331
Re: (313) well, it LOOKS interesting...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tenori-on it's much easier for the audience to see the connection of what you're doing to the music no need for overhead projection more visual display options smaller - hand held puts you back in front of the audience instead of looking down at a panel overcomes that laptop head down not looking at audience situation and who doesn't like a Light Bright? I'd like to hear how flexible that sound palette is; what I've heard is nice, but seems pretty limited. That may be because nobody has opened one up properly in my hearing.
Re: (313) Detroit synth-pop bands pre-house days?
Andy Kellman wrote: Figures on a Beach, courtesy of Dearborn's own Back Porch Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48SWnIJ17Dk (A few resources mention Detroit, but the group did seem a bit more... er... Wonderland than Northland.) Just a quick update; homeboy Chris Ewen (one-time sidekick of Stephin Merritt, whom you may know from Magnetic Fields) is *still* churning out some pretty authentic synth pop as Future Bible Heroes, although now he's in beantown. I used to play in bands with Chris and we still keep in touch. jeff
Re: (313) Detroit synth-pop bands pre-house days?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering that Figures pretty much moved to Boston in the mid-80's, they were more or less considered a Boston band despite their truer Michigan origin. the kooky scientist Tis true indeed, but they'd already charted (in a small way) with Swimming before they 'abandoned ship.' They were already on board with what turned out to be a disastrous relationship with NY DJ Ivan Ivan while still in town, and the buzz grew steadily from their origins as Razor 1922. I still recall one of their last gigs warming up for Ultravox in some bowling alley type venue. jeff
Re: (313) relax re: demf
k A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell. Hauling someone up on perjury charges for trying to keep a private matter private is BS -- it's the same as Clinton's impeachment. Gentlemen usually don't fire those who investigate them (ruining careers) and help waste 9 million badly needed city dollars to cover the mess either... Concisely, I wasn't a fly on the wall and am therefore not privy to the actuals, but from what I CAN see, the analogy above needs some work. jeff
Re: (313) Josh Wink @ Movment 08
F i've always thought it would be entertaining, as a dj, to play just one record back to back to back for sixty minutes. I have a friend (Dean) who did just this - it was back in the 80s and he was spinning before a Dead Or Alive (;-) show in downtown Pontiac (Detroit 'burb). He bought an old Joe Tex 7 (I Gotcha) and played it and it alone (varying the speed, etc) until the power was cut to the DJ booth (inconveniently located up a steep ladder). According to Dean, Pete Burns personally flipped him off. I can't recall all of the story, but there was some semi-reasonable justification for it. Funny nonetheless - and if you knew Dean, you'd know that it's very probably true. jeff
Re: (313) things to do in detroit during the festival (except the festival)
Inn Season deserves a hearty second - it's been around forever, and they really do an amazing job. It's been there so long that I can't really remember for sure in which decade I discovered it - but I think it was the late 70s. Not vegetarian, but I would add Thang Long in Madison Heights (on John R , maybe 1/4 miles south of 12 mile on the west side of the street in an older strip mall) as an essential visit if you like Vietnamese. I do, I've eaten in many Viet restaurants, and I'd say it's the best Viet I've eaten - BIG push on fersh herbs! jeff In Royal Oak, off Main Street: Inn Season (500 E Fourth). Mostly very, very good.
Re: (313) things to do in detroit during the festival (except the festival)
Record Time -- My favorite store was in Hamtramck because it's on a nice little High Street, but I think it's closed, and only the Ferndale and Roseville stores remain. Make that the Roseville store; Ferndale is scheduled to close real soon and if it's on schedule still, will not be there by fest-time. jeff
Re: (313) things to do in detroit during the festival (except the festival)
Matt Kane's Brain wrote: Were I going to the festival, I would go here: http://travelerstuba.com/ NOW we're talking techno. http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tips/getAttraction.php?tip_AttractionNo==663 http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tips/getAttraction.php?tip_AttractionNo==10093 http://www.roadsideamerica.com/pet/betty.html http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tips/getAttraction.php?tip_AttractionNo==657
Re: (313) things to do in detroit during the festival (except the festival)
diana potts wrote: Agreed. If you want to venture out of the city- Xedos (if it's still around) is a good place to chill. Unfortunately, Xhedos is another casualty. It's still there and is pretty much the same space (a nice coffee shop), but it's now AJ's. jeff
Re: (313) This appears to be completely revolutionary unless I'm missing
but i would guess that someone with a beard like that ... It's ALL in the beard. The software is just a trompe l'oeil. I can simulate bird calls and produce uncomplicated melodies on household appliances with mine, but it's just a shade beyond scruff. the best part is that i find this stuff technically fascinating, but artistically bankrupt. The hands of the artist will determine the value of the tool. And the beard. jeff
Re: (313) Kraftwerk US shows in April
Thats a shame, they are a great live act (for a bunch of guys that stand still before their terminals for the whole performance), In the 70s and 80s, they used to sit! jeff
Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
darnistle wrote: Did Akufen actually play the festival? Yes. Underground. jeff
Re: (313) First DEMF line-up
...to an almost empty main stage - it was bliss. jeff -- Original message -- From: jwan allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] note: dan had some technical problems and didn't perform until day 3. So basic channel played for 3 hours in the warm detroit sun on the main stage. Good times, good times!
Re: (313) First DEMF line-up
By the way, Bill and Julian Schnabel are doing a FREE set tonight on the campus of the U of M in Ann Arbor; the details are on my home computer or I'd post them. If there's interest, I can do so in a few hours when I get done teaching class. jeff (surfing while the students write!) -- Original message -- From: J.C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14 March 2008, Nik Stoltzman wrote: I think that Bill Van Loo set is amazing. I burnt a copy of it to CD and still listen to it from time to time. The opening 5 minutes are some of the most beautiful electronic sounds I have heard. Always makes me melancholy, but in a good way. Deep. You used to be able to download it on his chromedecay site - if it is still there, I highly recommend it. It's still there: http://www.chromedecay.org/downloads/cdigital001/ -- San Francisco Bay Guardian's Readers Choice Award Winner: Best Radio DJ: http://www.sfbg.com/promo/pollpositions.php AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of KZSU Radio or Stanford University. (or words to that effect.)
Re: (313) First DEMF line-up
Well, I knew it started with w J. I'm old - I can't be expected to have a functional mind. jeff -- Original message -- From: Bill VanLoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jeff! It's actually Joshua Schnable, not Julien Schnable :) Here are the details on tonight's show: http://www.chromedecay.org/blog/2008/03/03/friday-march-14-2008-bill-van-loo-j-s chnable-at-sync08/ Thanks also to all those who posted kind words about my set from the first DEMF. It was an amazing experience, and I'm re-listening to my own set now, which I haven't done in a LONG time. Bill On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, Bill and Julian Schnabel are doing a FREE set tonight on the campus of the U of M in Ann Arbor; the details are on my home computer or I'd post them. If there's interest, I can do so in a few hours when I get done teaching class. jeff (surfing while the students write!) -- Original message -- From: J.C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 14 March 2008, Nik Stoltzman wrote: I think that Bill Van Loo set is amazing. I burnt a copy of it to CD and still listen to it from time to time. The opening 5 minutes are some of the most beautiful electronic sounds I have heard. Always makes me melancholy, but in a good way. Deep. You used to be able to download it on his chromedecay site - if it is still there, I highly recommend it. It's still there: http://www.chromedecay.org/downloads/cdigital001/ -- San Francisco Bay Guardian's Readers Choice Award Winner: Best Radio DJ: http://www.sfbg.com/promo/pollpositions.php AIM: jckzsu (or kzsudj during my show.) Opinions are my own only, and do not necessarily represent those of KZSU Radio or Stanford University. (or words to that effect.) -- http://www.billvanloo.com || http://www.chromedecay.org
Re: (313) lineups? Re: (313) demf 2008
darnistle wrote: I sorta remember seeing him scheduled but I never heard his set, despite going to the area several times. Then again, the sound quality is so murky in the underground area, I might not have realized it was him playing. No - you'd have known it from a ways off. They had the stage set up so as soon as people came off the entry ramp and turned right, they faced it. It seems like there's a little less bounce on the sound down on the floor when it's positioned like that. (still horrible, nonetheless - although Deepchord sounded good down there!0 jeff
Re: (313) Is This A New Theo Film?
JT Stewart wrote: keepin it real is on the way out, now it's time to keep it faux fo'sho Hey - I'm just trying to *keep* something! jeff
Re: (313) Glasgow
Everyone: Thanks! jeff
(313) Glasgow
Asking for a friend: What/where is there anything club-wise to encounter in Glasgow? Thanks! jeff
Re: (313) RE: Smallfish closing
It closes at the end of January, and there's been quite a sale on for the past month or two. Mike Oliver is an email pal of mine. A pity - great shop. It's folding not because of costs, but time factors and career paths. jeff Odeluga, Ken wrote: Hello Leonard. Actually I thought the shop closed several months ago. The label has indeed continued online since then and appears to be at least keeping it's head above the water. --- Hi all, I read last night that Smallfish record shop in London is closing this month (the label will continue).
Re: (313) New edict from RIAA
In effect, the RIAA is generating a more sophisticated piracy with every step they take. Dramatic irony is the best kind. jeff Well the BPI (UK's RIAA) already shut sites down for hosting mixes. I agree with Tom, if this does go ahead then the music industry as we know it is finished. For better or for worse. All the established big artists are now signing promotion deals (Madonna, Prince) and the recorded music becomes a loss-leader. It's interesting watching this though I have to admit. I don't rely on music to make a living, and I'm not even sure it affects the music that I like that heavily anyway. That's being affected in a whole host of other ways at this point.
Re: (313) moebius documentary
Could you be a bit more specific concerning the title, please? Thanks. jeff pauley wrote: Howdy. I saw a Moebius doco (2006) a few days ago, soundtrack by Ralf Hutter. Pretty amazing stuff. Does anyone know if it: s released, can be bouvght etc?
Re: (313) Bleep43 - Fri 21/9 w/ Surgeon, Legowelt, NWAQ and more.
Correction - B1. Nice combo of atmospherics with an electro tinge. j theREALmxyzptlk wrote: Emile Facey wrote: Whos Planet 43 then Paul? ;) Those are some nice tracks on that new Ai, Emile. B2 is my fave.
Re: (313) Bleep43 - Fri 21/9 w/ Surgeon, Legowelt, NWAQ and more.
Emile Facey wrote: Whos Planet 43 then Paul? ;) Those are some nice tracks on that new Ai, Emile. B2 is my fave. jeff
Re: (313) Such stuff as dreams are made of
Water is very important when you're making beer, but as far I know you can make techno with tapwater. Use the water to make the beer, THEN use the beer to make techno. j
(313) OT, but...
LOTS of free and great acts in the D this weekend. Select the date on the upper left to show the daily menu: http://detroitjazzfest.com/performances.html
(313) somewhat OT, but...
The new Blamstrain record is available as a free download. And Juho tosses in some techno licks every now and then. The Prince remix is fun, too. Heresie: http://www.blamstrain.com jeff
Re: (313) OT But...
Martin Dust wrote: It makes me smile and it is Friday... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=86Ok0B9EvZg m Quite OT as well, but funny. Kanye Mid-West ;-) (Bonnie Prince Billy Oldham is the sidekick) http://www.kanyewest.com/?content=video_cant_tell_alt
Re: (313) Shake at the City Fest...
Fantastic performance Shake, Thanks! ..I'll second that. Great selections and tight as a drum. jeff
Re: (313) 120 Years of Electronic Music
Anton Banks (www.antonbanks.com) wrote: I don't know if this has been posted already. It looked pretty interesting. http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/ Cool. I used to have one of these and I always wanted to know more about it. http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/clavioline/index.html
Re: (313) italoboyz - victor cassanova (mothership records)
I wonder which school will receive this 'large percentage' of the proceeds? Just a guess - isn't there a Max Fisher school of that sort? jeff
Re: (313) Carl Craig heads-up
on a more local (Detroit) tip, it looks like Carl has something at the Cityfest (used to be Tatsefest?) either on or close to July 4th. jeff Nik Stoltzman wrote: Wotcha. Just thought I'd stick my head above the parapet to say that on next week's Gilles Peterson show, he will be airing a live session from Carl Craig doing an Innerzone Orchestra style set. Not sure of the details at the moment, but it should definitely be worth checking out. Check here for more info: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/gillespeterson/ Cheers, N
Re: (313) Shake
shake looked confused and should not have tried playing with the onboard effects if he didn't know how. Let the hating begin! Looks like it's already started. I'm wondering how you know he was confused and not frustrated by the well documented effects of MS on his motor skills. From where I was standing, it looked to me like he was bumming because of a few timing slips. jeff
Re: (313) Shake
jwan allen wrote: Sarcasm from Greek σαρκασμός (sarkasmos), 'mockery, sarcasm' is sneering, jesting, or mocking at a person, situation or thing. It actually breaks down into 'flesh-biting'. I was a Greek major in a former matriculation. ;-) jeff
Re: (313) Shake
Thanks for posting that. Likewise to Tom who said something similar (maybe offlist). I know you're lurking, Tony. You do something beyond slick mechanics; it's a gift and it's yours. jeff Terry Hall wrote: Regarding Shake's performance - I think it just shows that really solid tracks and an extremely personable DJ are important performance skills. I was standing 2' from him and we were all having a great time. His irreverent style and ability to emanate a good vibe seemed more important to the performance than technical wizardy without feeling. That was my take-away, something I'm going to remember next time I start stressing over a missed transition that everyone will forget about the next day. Thank you Shake, someone who remembers how to party! -peace, T63
Re: (313) Al Qaeda don't take no Trance
There used to be a lot of laws in Britain about bear-baiting. I wonder if any of those can be applied to Tiesto baiting. jeff You're right Kent. Still, there's nothing like a bit of Tiesto baiting to brighten up the day. Honestly this is shooting fish in a barrel. And frankly if there wasn't a Tiesto we'd have to create one. In order for us to be 'those who know,' there has to be a 'them that don't know sh*t' so Tiesto is doing us a valuable service.
Re: (313) Movement 2007 - Saturday reflections
The best use of that system was Higher Intelligence Agency, followed by RS. Bobby Bird's set was made for that system. Von Oswald took some time checking it out as they began and it showed. After that it seemed like whomever was tweaking it forgot it wasn't mono after they got hypnotized by the too much %$#@ bass knob. In many cases the system was better than what was coming through it. I walked by that oral doing aural scene as well (one the rim (tee-hee) of the main stage, unless there were more - but I have to say that one thing the admission price DID do was cut the troll doll/pacifier presence this year tremendously (even from last year). It has been far worse in the past than it was this year! Nice meeting you upstairs at the Submerge art show, btw. ;-) jeff Patrick Wacher wrote: I have to second you on the sound at the Pyramid stage, it was incredible.. i got trapped in it's sonic boom for hours listening to the sweet sweet sound sof Rhythm and Sound (paraphrasing the MC there ;) Mark and Moritz were pulling out the gems all night, but I have to say, the bass on the Burial Mix tracks towards the end of their session were gut wrenching. My overall first impression of the festival isn't too positive, even though the music was great on the various stages at times (Model 500 - WOW, Kenny Larkin, Shake are always bringing it!), the majority of the crowd left a lot to be desired. A young guy and a girl right next to me in the pit at Model 500 were feeling the rush of their chems, and she proceeded to get down, unzip the dude an well you can only imagine the rest. I guess i'm just not used to going to big festivals anymore, but I've had enough of glowsticks and baby pacifiers to last me a lifetime. Big up the gurner massive. P.
Re: (313) Al Qaeda don't take no Trance
Robert Taylor wrote: Is it too much to hope for a Tiesto beheading? Now now. (admittedly, I *was* thinking something similar when I saw that ;-).
Re: (313) Al Qaeda don't take no Trance
The sound of one high-hat clapping. jeff Martin Dust wrote: On 29 May 2007, at 18:21, theREALmxyzptlk wrote: Robert Taylor wrote: Is it too much to hope for a Tiesto beheading? Now now. (admittedly, I *was* thinking something similar when I saw that ;-). Wouldn't really want to wish that on anyone but I was wondering what sound his empty head would make as it left his body... ;) m
Re: (313) Al Qaeda don't take no Trance
...except for tea-time. ;-) jeff (should not be near electrical objects for a while) Yes you do, we're never serious! Hey just making sure, you never know with you british ppl :) Er, I wasn't serious, KJ
(313) Sans Soleil
Just a heads up - Mr. Trommer has a new/free/downloadable release at Thinner, which I am just now grabbing myself. http://thinner.cc/releases.php?r=thn094
Re: (313) thx1138 inspired by the film
Great stuff indeed. Moves in a few directions - if it isn't 313 enough for you, give it a few tracks... jeff pauley wrote: Were there any thoughts about this free release here? Didn't see much comment, but was wondering what the 'concensus' was, if any. Listening to it now, a very nice, thoughtfull composition. Bravo!!!
(313) DJ Skurge
Just a tardy 'second' to the recommendation for this one. Great mixing, killer track selection - classic U.R. and Bridgette/Submariner had it on my doorstep in less than 36 hours from ordering with her typical friendly demeanor. Spot-on call on this one. jeff
Re: (313) theo p - sound sculptures
i'm also shocked to never have heard a peep about the Ai sidelabel RUR on here -- first release limited to 100 copies, can only be had direct, is $45...and is supposedly by juan atkins (officially is anonymous/untitled)...hrmpmhpmph i wonder if i'll ever get to hear it. i wonder if anybody on here has? Hmmm...I wouldn't have guessed it was Juan. Here's the discogs listing: http://www.discogs.com/release/908696 Good record - not worth the $45 imo. I got the feeling that people might have been a trifle underwhelmed, given the price tag. The 2nd of the series should be dropping very soon.
Re: (313) OT - another Richie clone
Ah - the old 'extended devil-lock'. Quite the rage back then and Mr. Oakey might have even been a bit late on the bus with that one. What needs to be appreciated is how much of a PITA it is having to deal with it in your eyes/face all of the time (and it was part of the look to have it hanging over one eye). Somewhere in my closet is a skeleton from around 1980 with shaved temples, a devil-lock and a 'tail' (I was a teenage - well, 20-something - punk-clubber). 6-7 years later, people thought it was cute to extend the 'tail' fashion to children. Looks like the extended devil-lock may have been in some kind of dormant-viral stage, waiting to erupt upon what was probably the generation of children with tails. Fashion can be brutal. j The both nicked it off Phil Oakey to start with anyway ;) http://www.ex-rental.com/blindyouth/NMELeague002.jpg - OK list, I don't who this guy is (and pls, don't tell me), but if copying someone else's music style isn't enough crap, what can you say about someone who also copies his hairstyle http://www.rraurl.com/cena/texto.php?id=3564
(313) odd that I should have to ask this...
..but as a Metro Detroit suburbanite, I don't know what to recommend in terms of clean/walking distance hotels for DEMF (I have friends who are asking). The wise thing, it seems to me, would be to ask people who have stayed in a few. So...what say ye? (other than the RenCen, which is obvious) Thanks. jeff
Re: (313) DJs in restaurants
Jeffrey Richards wrote: DJ HMC surely would make Outback Steakhouse a much better place! Yeah...but so would a wrecking ball. ;-) jeff
Re: (313) New KDJ Is Available
My KDJ is en route, but I will handily second the Patrice Scott. jeff that KDJ is teh bomb, and so is that patrice scott. i need to get this #2 of his asap. only recently got #1 and im still loving it!
Re: (313) Thank You Liz Copeland + Clark Warner
kent williams wrote: So what's up with this? Are they moving? Did she get canceled? What will Liz do now? Another inquiring mind here - ditto on Rob's laudations. j
(313) Stewart Walker: Druid Hills ep
Just out of curiosity (not attempting to engineer conflict), I'd like to hear what people think of the release in the subject line - preferably those who have had the opportunity the hear the ENTIRE track or record, as I find that these tracks need to open up to be heard (as opposed to 30 second clips) and the 2nd track on the B widens things out a bit stylistically (or does it?). Somewhere close to the heart of my question is a probe at techno sub-genre categories (how much minimal is minimal?) and also the question of what makes a 'good track' or a 'not good' track before we even get to technology? We all 'know' one when we hear one, but play it to someone with alien references outside the genre-familiarity circle and your mileage will vary. I chose the Walker because I think it's a good entry point. Or not. jeff
Re: (313) Stewart Walker: Druid Hills ep
this stuff wasnt created in a vacuum, it originally involved making songs to fit in deejay sets with other music like disco, new wave, electro, italo, etc. i dont think songs in those genres are hard to understand outside of people intimately familiar with the genre, and a good techno or house song isnt going to be, either. Play it for a typical country music fan. Let me know how it goes. ;-)
Re: (313) Stewart Walker: Druid Hills ep
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 3/28/07, theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Play it for a typical country music fan. Let me know how it goes. ;-) --- but what is a typical country music fan? nowadays country music is more bad pop than country. i see people at school all the time who listen to modern country, mainstream hiphop, and trance and dont even think twice about it. disco soul and funk were all and still are pop music. hardcore jazz, classical, or whatever might not like it, but those people are hardcore for a reason ;) --- I agree with all of that (especially the state of modern 'country'), but you know full well what I meant and it isn't sort of listener who really doesn't care whether they are playing Bob Seeger or Tiesto. What I am trying to get at is genre rejection, i.e., lots of people aren't going to forgive something because it doesn't fit their preconceived notion(s) about how music should sound/function. And those inside the genre hear the nuances that provide the foil of variation for repetition. The latter is often what ears outside of the loop hear. I can't tell you how often I have played what I consider to be good TECHNO material to people who will reject it outright, regardless of how many clear 'pop structures' are present. Sure - people can be found who will be open to hear new things in any crowd - there are exceptions. I'm not as confident as you in some universal/transcendent notion of what makes a song good - or rather, I'm not confident enough to anoint my own ears as 'the' normative standardmakers. And nobody really took on the Walker record. jeff
Re: (313) could change laptop performances
noodling around with mapping midi nonsense has nothing to do with performing music. Eh - neither does hooking up cables, tuning strings or any number of things which are analagous with any instrument.
