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i don't buy the geography argument. new jersey and new york can be about as grim as it gets (harsh climate, decaying urban enviroenments, social ills) but they are both places known for uplifting soulful house. however, the biggest counterargument comes from australia -a land of blue skies, beaches and cute furry animals. it makes san fransisco seems chilly, wet and dark. yet, australia produces some hard-arsed dark music. first up the birthday party (a birthday party gig from the late 70s early 80s makes an adam x set seem like lounge music.) the industrial group spk (surgical penis clinic) from the early 80s rate an honourable mention. early severed heads material. the free party people, system corrupt, in sydney throw parties on secluded beaches (lady jane) that are the image of tropical paradise and yet play death metal. then there is the bloody fist label - the name says it all. james www.jbucknell.com sasha [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To 313@hyperreal.org 25/05/04 08:49 AM cc Subject (313) Detroit and Geography All this talk about where one is from has me thinking of something that has been nipping at me since I made the trek from East to West about 5 or 6 years ago; how the landscape has such an important effect on the impact of music. For those of you not familiar with the US, the Northeast, on the coast, in cities like Boston and NY (and Detroit) is very industrialized. Here on the West Coast, especially in the Bay Area (San Francisco - or should I say Pacifica, cause technically, I'm 5 miles south of the city?), the land is more open and people are generally more in touch with the environment around them. Some places, like LA, don't have a city center and seem like one endless suburb. So, the point is that the West Coast does not generally feel like an East Coast city. Anyways, upon moving from Boston to SF, I noticed that all the music I had previously been into, like UR, the more hard-hitting techno, etc, did not feel or sound the same to me. The impact was no longer there. Driving down the Pacific Coast Highway, and seeing the towering rocks and blue ocean and blasting UR's X101 makes no sense to me any longer. Hard to feel like a techno rebel with all this sunshine and blue skies around. Although I still can get into the jazzier UR stuff, I avoid the hard techno bin at the local shop now. House, funk, disco, environ, it all sounds better out here somehow. Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit techno, does not have a universal appeal on some level, but it's taken moving around to help me understand that music's appeal lies more than in just the art. The cultural milieu, and the environmental surroundings have an important impact as well. Anyone else experience this? - Sasha -Original Message- From: Ronny Pries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:02 AM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker) aw, i was looking forward to a discussion regarding the digital distribution topic and you keep ranting about districts :) on a sidenote, not everybody knows that jackson, mason, ann arbor or whatever are even close to detroit. the important thing is giving people who aren't firm with detroit and its surrounding (be my guest :) a rough idea where you're from. i'd understand if you rant about me writing i'd come from detroit (*cough*) but hey, those few miles more or less you guys deal with aren't really worth getting upset, right? ronny ForwardSourceID:NTD3AE
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big stupid question here, but is dark comedy a music album or comedy album? I have some older larkin tracks and they were weak IMO, but I'm going to give this new album a try since yall know a thing or 10 about music a comedy album with electronic music mixed in (ala bill hicks later albums) would be neat too -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: matrix313 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sasha [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography i do believe that most of the Narrcisist was recorded when Kenny was still back in Detroit. the new Dark Comedy does have a different feel, although I wouldn't just lay a geographical tag on it On Tue, 25 May 2004, matrix313 wrote: Interesting theory. so, in listening to the new Kenny Larkin album, we should take into consideration that he's been living in L.A. for the past 2 and a half years, and listen to it from a west coast point of view, to avoid comparing it to whats commonly considered Detroit Techno? check out Kenny's The Narcissist album, the worlds first Hollywood Techno® project! Look at that, I've created a new sub-genre category! :^) sean on 5/25/04 5:47 AM, robin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit techno, does not have a universal appeal on some level, but it's taken moving around to help me understand that music's appeal lies more than in just the art. The cultural milieu, and the environmental surroundings have an important impact as well. Anyone else experience this? yeah this is a variation of the 'what do you listen to in the summer' question but yeah living in Manchester (well Warrington, well actually Fearnhead, loly'know these are all 15 miles apart) means that it's raining all year round which for me is something in between house and techno :) when i visited Sydney, Australia i could totally see how i'd probably listen to less techno if i lived there (it's very nice weather-wise in case you couldn't guess)and this appears to be reflected in the music that is played in the clubs (that i was aware oftime for the Ozzies to chime in a prove me wrong :) ) robin...
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I think every geographical location has different elements that are tapped into by different people it's all in your perspective new jersey and new york can be about as grim as it gets (harsh climate, decaying urban enviroenments, social ills) but they are both places known for uplifting soulful house. I would postulate that this is largely due to the fact that it is grim with many social ills Everyone escapes into the soulful house for some shelter - hence the name of the club. however, the biggest counterargument comes from australia -a land of blue skies, beaches and cute furry animals. it makes san fransisco seems chilly, wet and dark. yet, australia produces some hard-arsed dark music. One word - alligators Australia is actually a pretty harsh climate too in places with some seriously nasty fauna and it seems from listening to several 313 members who live in the land of Oz that the boredom level can get high if you're in a small town so I can see where that adds to the harshness of some of the music that comes from there as far as California goes - try to fit John Tejada, Twerk, Sutekh, etc. into the sunny weather = happy music theory and you might have a hard time. California's got some properly messed up music - like glam/hair metal. ;) MEK
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I didn't suggest that the environment _absolutely_ shapes the music that is produced there, nor did I suggest that the environment _absolutely_ shapes one's listening experience either. Just an influence. I'm sure I can think of various successful artists/records in the SF area that are dark and edgy (goodness, I am giggling even writing that hee hee) and probably every person living in every bright, sunny cheery city and town can as well. Speaking of NY and NJ House, perhaps the fact that there is a huge black gay population there might have more to do with soulful house than the grim environment (or lack thereof - although the environs still shaped the sound a bit). Beyond that, NYC also has a very large contigent of kids suckled on people like Red Alert and a diverse downtown scene/record stores that appreciate the house sound. Also, as long as we're on the contrarian tip, I grew up in Queens. It was about as grim as a well-lit Walmart. I never saw a gun or anyone dying in the street. All of our lights worked. My neigbors said _Hello_ to me. Our house got robbed at least once every couple of yours, but hey, that's one of the fringe benefits of living in NYC - each time you get robbed, you add another lock to the door. Our front door looked like a Mr. T starter set after a while. I spent my summers in the woods of northern NJ. No grim there either. Yes, you can *surely* find poverty and social ills in NY and NJ, but it was nothing like what I saw in Detroit when I visited there in the mid-nineties. The core of the city was toast! That makes for a hell of a sonic background. Driving through town, the music I had heard for years and years made all the more sense to me. More than it did in NY, and more than it did in Boston. Also, as far as hard arsed music is concerned, I notice my age has something to do with it as well. There's only so much of that bang em over the head techno, balls to the face techno I can stomach. After years and years of listening and djing, I really appreciate a soulful groove, and often, a melancholy approach. Perhaps that's why I came back to Detroit techno after all these years. Not to imply that I'm not willing to explore wherever an artist takes me, but when I hear the bpms speed up on a new record I am hearing, I become a bit suspicious that it's a means to mask a lack of innovation. Not an absolutist argument of course, but that's sometimes how records pan out. It's like back in the hardcore days when the bpms went from 150 to 160 to 170 to hell - the music had nowhere to innovate, so it just got faster and harder. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 6:46 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography i don't buy the geography argument. new jersey and new york can be about as grim as it gets (harsh climate, decaying urban enviroenments, social ills) but they are both places known for uplifting soulful house. however, the biggest counterargument comes from australia -a land of blue skies, beaches and cute furry animals. it makes san fransisco seems chilly, wet and dark. yet, australia produces some hard-arsed dark music. first up the birthday party (a birthday party gig from the late 70s early 80s makes an adam x set seem like lounge music.) the industrial group spk (surgical penis clinic) from the early 80s rate an honourable mention. early severed heads material. the free party people, system corrupt, in sydney throw parties on secluded beaches (lady jane) that are the image of tropical paradise and yet play death metal. then there is the bloody fist label - the name says it all. james www.jbucknell.com sasha [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To 313@hyperreal.org 25/05/04 08:49 AM cc Subject (313) Detroit and Geography All this talk about where one is from has me
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography snip snip One word - alligators Hee hee... Australia is actually a pretty harsh climate too in places with some seriously nasty fauna and it seems from listening as far as California goes - try to fit John Tejada, Twerk, Sutekh, etc. into the sunny weather = happy music theory and you might have a hard time. California's got some properly messed up music - like glam/hair metal. ;) Goodness, you could do better n that - Dead Kennedys. Also, back to the East Coast, can the abundance of bar mitzvahs, that cultural broth of freshly minted manhood, and the deep urges for sexual gratification it brings, explain Gene Simmons of KISS? Another notch in the environmental impact borsch belt? ObDetroit: The Afromation album on Psychostasia is just lovely. Reggie Dokes is a prophet. Bless you, whoever it was that recommended it. MEK
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its just music On Tue, 25 May 2004, /0 wrote: big stupid question here, but is dark comedy a music album or comedy album? I have some older larkin tracks and they were weak IMO, but I'm going to give this new album a try since yall know a thing or 10 about music a comedy album with electronic music mixed in (ala bill hicks later albums) would be neat too -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: matrix313 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sasha [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography i do believe that most of the Narrcisist was recorded when Kenny was still back in Detroit. the new Dark Comedy does have a different feel, although I wouldn't just lay a geographical tag on it On Tue, 25 May 2004, matrix313 wrote: Interesting theory. so, in listening to the new Kenny Larkin album, we should take into consideration that he's been living in L.A. for the past 2 and a half years, and listen to it from a west coast point of view, to avoid comparing it to whats commonly considered Detroit Techno? check out Kenny's The Narcissist album, the worlds first Hollywood Techno® project! Look at that, I've created a new sub-genre category! :^) sean on 5/25/04 5:47 AM, robin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit techno, does not have a universal appeal on some level, but it's taken moving around to help me understand that music's appeal lies more than in just the art. The cultural milieu, and the environmental surroundings have an important impact as well. Anyone else experience this? yeah this is a variation of the 'what do you listen to in the summer' question but yeah living in Manchester (well Warrington, well actually Fearnhead, loly'know these are all 15 miles apart) means that it's raining all year round which for me is something in between house and techno :) when i visited Sydney, Australia i could totally see how i'd probably listen to less techno if i lived there (it's very nice weather-wise in case you couldn't guess)and this appears to be reflected in the music that is played in the clubs (that i was aware oftime for the Ozzies to chime in a prove me wrong :) ) robin...
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speaking of has anyone had an opportunity to see Kenny do his stand-up? MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] et To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: matrix313 [EMAIL PROTECTED], robin 05/26/04 11:44 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED], sasha [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography its just music On Tue, 25 May 2004, /0 wrote: big stupid question here, but is dark comedy a music album or comedy album? I have some older larkin tracks and they were weak IMO, but I'm going to give this new album a try since yall know a thing or 10 about music a comedy album with electronic music mixed in (ala bill hicks later albums) would be neat too -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: matrix313 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sasha [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography i do believe that most of the Narrcisist was recorded when Kenny was still back in Detroit. the new Dark Comedy does have a different feel, although I wouldn't just lay a geographical tag on it On Tue, 25 May 2004, matrix313 wrote: Interesting theory. so, in listening to the new Kenny Larkin album, we should take into consideration that he's been living in L.A. for the past 2 and a half years, and listen to it from a west coast point of view, to avoid comparing it to whats commonly considered Detroit Techno? check out Kenny's The Narcissist album, the worlds first Hollywood Techno® project! Look at that, I've created a new sub-genre category! :^) sean on 5/25/04 5:47 AM, robin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit techno, does not have a universal appeal on some level, but it's taken moving around to help me understand that music's appeal lies more than in just the art. The cultural milieu, and the environmental surroundings have an important impact as well. Anyone else experience this? yeah this is a variation of the 'what do you listen to in the summer' question but yeah living in Manchester (well Warrington, well actually Fearnhead, loly'know these are all 15 miles apart) means that it's raining all year round which for me is something in between house and techno :) when i visited Sydney, Australia i could totally see how i'd probably listen to less techno if i lived there (it's very nice weather-wise in case you couldn't guess)and this appears to be reflected in the music that is played in the clubs (that i was aware oftime for the Ozzies to chime in a prove me wrong :) ) robin...
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At 12:47 PM 5/26/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: speaking of has anyone had an opportunity to see Kenny do his stand-up? I met him once when I was in France. He thought my hand-rolled cigarette was a joint and kept making fun of me. He seemed to think it was pretty funny. I never heard him play that night. It was 6 AM, so I went home. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.mkb-dj.org Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Atlantek, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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LOL- I remember that ;). I managed to hear a few tracks before you escorted Amy to the bus. He was in great form. Good night, got to hear Kenny again. Quest -Original Message- From: matt kane's brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2004 02:54 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography At 12:47 PM 5/26/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: speaking of has anyone had an opportunity to see Kenny do his stand-up? I met him once when I was in France. He thought my hand-rolled cigarette was a joint and kept making fun of me. He seemed to think it was pretty funny. I never heard him play that night. It was 6 AM, so I went home. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.mkb-dj.org Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Atlantek, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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a comedy album with electronic music mixed in (ala bill hicks later albums) would be neat too how about Chris Morris's 'Blue Jam' LP on WARP? Now THAT is dark comedy...
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:45:59 +0100, James Bucknell wrote: I don't buy the geography argument. Neither do I. I live in LA, with one of the best climates in the world (OK OK, minus the smog bit), and I'm rockin' tha D all the time here. (Aside: I was probably the biggest Joy Division fan in the States back when they were extant, despite the fact that sometimes it doesn't rain here for months on end. I considered them uplifting, not doom n' gloom.) People don't become House-heads in San Francisco because of the change in climate from where they came from; it's because they're always surrounded by a bunch of [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Hippies once they get there ;) - Greg (whose [blonde] Kill The Hippies Punk roots are showing)
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i have. funny funnny guy. On Wed, 26 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: speaking of has anyone had an opportunity to see Kenny do his stand-up? MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] et To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: matrix313 [EMAIL PROTECTED], robin 05/26/04 11:44 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED], sasha [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography its just music On Tue, 25 May 2004, /0 wrote: big stupid question here, but is dark comedy a music album or comedy album? I have some older larkin tracks and they were weak IMO, but I'm going to give this new album a try since yall know a thing or 10 about music a comedy album with electronic music mixed in (ala bill hicks later albums) would be neat too -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: matrix313 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; sasha [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography i do believe that most of the Narrcisist was recorded when Kenny was still back in Detroit. the new Dark Comedy does have a different feel, although I wouldn't just lay a geographical tag on it On Tue, 25 May 2004, matrix313 wrote: Interesting theory. so, in listening to the new Kenny Larkin album, we should take into consideration that he's been living in L.A. for the past 2 and a half years, and listen to it from a west coast point of view, to avoid comparing it to whats commonly considered Detroit Techno? check out Kenny's The Narcissist album, the worlds first Hollywood Techno® project! Look at that, I've created a new sub-genre category! :^) sean on 5/25/04 5:47 AM, robin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit techno, does not have a universal appeal on some level, but it's taken moving around to help me understand that music's appeal lies more than in just the art. The cultural milieu, and the environmental surroundings have an important impact as well. Anyone else experience this? yeah this is a variation of the 'what do you listen to in the summer' question but yeah living in Manchester (well Warrington, well actually Fearnhead, loly'know these are all 15 miles apart) means that it's raining all year round which for me is something in between house and techno :) when i visited Sydney, Australia i could totally see how i'd probably listen to less techno if i lived there (it's very nice weather-wise in case you couldn't guess)and this appears to be reflected in the music that is played in the clubs (that i was aware oftime for the Ozzies to chime in a prove me wrong :) ) robin...
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there's going to be a duality anyplace you live- LA has that paradise, sunny, beautiful, poluted, third world, end of manifest destiny apocolypse thin going. SF has that hippie, homegrown, organic, foggy, rough ocean, wrath of nature vibe Detroit is all industrial, downtrodden, harsh, working class, salt-of-the-earth, overcoming, uplifting you can flip it however you want it On Wed, 26 May 2004, Greg Earle wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:45:59 +0100, James Bucknell wrote: I don't buy the geography argument. Neither do I. I live in LA, with one of the best climates in the world (OK OK, minus the smog bit), and I'm rockin' tha D all the time here. (Aside: I was probably the biggest Joy Division fan in the States back when they were extant, despite the fact that sometimes it doesn't rain here for months on end. I considered them uplifting, not doom n' gloom.) People don't become House-heads in San Francisco because of the change in climate from where they came from; it's because they're always surrounded by a bunch of [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Hippies once they get there ;) - Greg (whose [blonde] Kill The Hippies Punk roots are showing)
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yep - let us not forget that Blade Runner was supposed to be set in L.A. - maybe that's why Juan moved out there? MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] et To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 05/26/04 12:37 PMSubject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography there's going to be a duality anyplace you live- LA has that paradise, sunny, beautiful, poluted, third world, end of manifest destiny apocolypse thin going. SF has that hippie, homegrown, organic, foggy, rough ocean, wrath of nature vibe Detroit is all industrial, downtrodden, harsh, working class, salt-of-the-earth, overcoming, uplifting you can flip it however you want it On Wed, 26 May 2004, Greg Earle wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:45:59 +0100, James Bucknell wrote: I don't buy the geography argument. Neither do I. I live in LA, with one of the best climates in the world (OK OK, minus the smog bit), and I'm rockin' tha D all the time here. (Aside: I was probably the biggest Joy Division fan in the States back when they were extant, despite the fact that sometimes it doesn't rain here for months on end. I considered them uplifting, not doom n' gloom.) People don't become House-heads in San Francisco because of the change in climate from where they came from; it's because they're always surrounded by a bunch of [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Hippies once they get there ;) - Greg (whose [blonde] Kill The Hippies Punk roots are showing)
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Correction, it was meant to be set in imaginary city somewhere halfway in-between where LA and San Fran would meet in an advanced urban sprawl. Regards, Quest -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2004 04:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography yep - let us not forget that Blade Runner was supposed to be set in L.A. - maybe that's why Juan moved out there? MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] et To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 05/26/04 12:37 PMSubject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography there's going to be a duality anyplace you live- LA has that paradise, sunny, beautiful, poluted, third world, end of manifest destiny apocolypse thin going. SF has that hippie, homegrown, organic, foggy, rough ocean, wrath of nature vibe Detroit is all industrial, downtrodden, harsh, working class, salt-of-the-earth, overcoming, uplifting you can flip it however you want it On Wed, 26 May 2004, Greg Earle wrote: On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:45:59 +0100, James Bucknell wrote: I don't buy the geography argument. Neither do I. I live in LA, with one of the best climates in the world (OK OK, minus the smog bit), and I'm rockin' tha D all the time here. (Aside: I was probably the biggest Joy Division fan in the States back when they were extant, despite the fact that sometimes it doesn't rain here for months on end. I considered them uplifting, not doom n' gloom.) People don't become House-heads in San Francisco because of the change in climate from where they came from; it's because they're always surrounded by a bunch of [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Hippies once they get there ;) - Greg (whose [blonde] Kill The Hippies Punk roots are showing)
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All this talk about where one is from has me thinking of something that has been nipping at me since I made the trek from East to West about 5 or 6 years ago; how the landscape has such an important effect on the impact of music. For those of you not familiar with the US, the Northeast, on the coast, in cities like Boston and NY (and Detroit) is very industrialized. Here on the West Coast, especially in the Bay Area (San Francisco - or should I say Pacifica, cause technically, I'm 5 miles south of the city?), the land is more open and people are generally more in touch with the environment around them. Some places, like LA, don't have a city center and seem like one endless suburb. So, the point is that the West Coast does not generally feel like an East Coast city. Anyways, upon moving from Boston to SF, I noticed that all the music I had previously been into, like UR, the more hard-hitting techno, etc, did not feel or sound the same to me. The impact was no longer there. Driving down the Pacific Coast Highway, and seeing the towering rocks and blue ocean and blasting UR's X101 makes no sense to me any longer. Hard to feel like a techno rebel with all this sunshine and blue skies around. Although I still can get into the jazzier UR stuff, I avoid the hard techno bin at the local shop now. House, funk, disco, environ, it all sounds better out here somehow. Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit techno, does not have a universal appeal on some level, but it's taken moving around to help me understand that music's appeal lies more than in just the art. The cultural milieu, and the environmental surroundings have an important impact as well. Anyone else experience this? - Sasha -Original Message- From: Ronny Pries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:02 AM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker) aw, i was looking forward to a discussion regarding the digital distribution topic and you keep ranting about districts :) on a sidenote, not everybody knows that jackson, mason, ann arbor or whatever are even close to detroit. the important thing is giving people who aren't firm with detroit and its surrounding (be my guest :) a rough idea where you're from. i'd understand if you rant about me writing i'd come from detroit (*cough*) but hey, those few miles more or less you guys deal with aren't really worth getting upset, right? ronny
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Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit techno, does not have a universal appeal on some level, but it's taken moving around to help me understand that music's appeal lies more than in just the art. The cultural milieu, and the environmental surroundings have an important impact as well. Anyone else experience this? yeah this is a variation of the 'what do you listen to in the summer' question but yeah living in Manchester (well Warrington, well actually Fearnhead, loly'know these are all 15 miles apart) means that it's raining all year round which for me is something in between house and techno :) when i visited Sydney, Australia i could totally see how i'd probably listen to less techno if i lived there (it's very nice weather-wise in case you couldn't guess)and this appears to be reflected in the music that is played in the clubs (that i was aware oftime for the Ozzies to chime in a prove me wrong :) ) robin...
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Interesting theory. so, in listening to the new Kenny Larkin album, we should take into consideration that he's been living in L.A. for the past 2 and a half years, and listen to it from a west coast point of view, to avoid comparing it to whats commonly considered Detroit Techno? check out Kenny's The Narcissist album, the worlds first Hollywood Techno® project! Look at that, I've created a new sub-genre category! :^) sean on 5/25/04 5:47 AM, robin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit techno, does not have a universal appeal on some level, but it's taken moving around to help me understand that music's appeal lies more than in just the art. The cultural milieu, and the environmental surroundings have an important impact as well. Anyone else experience this? yeah this is a variation of the 'what do you listen to in the summer' question but yeah living in Manchester (well Warrington, well actually Fearnhead, loly'know these are all 15 miles apart) means that it's raining all year round which for me is something in between house and techno :) when i visited Sydney, Australia i could totally see how i'd probably listen to less techno if i lived there (it's very nice weather-wise in case you couldn't guess)and this appears to be reflected in the music that is played in the clubs (that i was aware oftime for the Ozzies to chime in a prove me wrong :) ) robin...
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So would that also mean that Mills, Young and their fellow emigrés don't make Detroit Techno? -Original Message- From: matrix313 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:40 AM To: robin; sasha Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography Interesting theory. so, in listening to the new Kenny Larkin album, we should take into consideration that he's been living in L.A. for the past 2 and a half years, and listen to it from a west coast point of view, to avoid comparing it to whats commonly considered Detroit Techno? check out Kenny's The Narcissist album, the worlds first Hollywood Techno® project! Look at that, I've created a new sub-genre category! :^) sean on 5/25/04 5:47 AM, robin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit techno, does not have a universal appeal on some level, but it's taken moving around to help me understand that music's appeal lies more than in just the art. The cultural milieu, and the environmental surroundings have an important impact as well. Anyone else experience this? yeah this is a variation of the 'what do you listen to in the summer' question but yeah living in Manchester (well Warrington, well actually Fearnhead, loly'know these are all 15 miles apart) means that it's raining all year round which for me is something in between house and techno :) when i visited Sydney, Australia i could totally see how i'd probably listen to less techno if i lived there (it's very nice weather-wise in case you couldn't guess)and this appears to be reflected in the music that is played in the clubs (that i was aware oftime for the Ozzies to chime in a prove me wrong :) ) robin... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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-- Original Message -- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] So would that also mean that Mills, Young and their fellow emigrés don't make Detroit Techno? in this jeff mills interview: http://www.xpander.nl/xpndr/specials_main.cfm? special=237startrow=1 he specifically states that he has a different setup in berlin than he does in chicago because it helps him utilize the mood of the city better than just a copy of his chicago studio. doesnt make it not detroit techno but i think its pretty obvious that to alot of artists their surroundings will have effect on their tunes. tom andythepooh.com
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yeah thats very interesting that interview and I never realised just how many DJ's/producers live in Berlin and since playing there and germany I woudl love a place in Hamburg or Berlin...but for now I have to do with Chelmsford... so not much hope for me then in Essex :) (sorry all non ukers maybe not understand that comment) -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 25/05/2004 16:07 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Detroit and Geography -- Original Message -- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] So would that also mean that Mills, Young and their fellow emigrés don't make Detroit Techno? in this jeff mills interview: http://www.xpander.nl/xpndr/specials_main.cfm? special=237startrow=1 he specifically states that he has a different setup in berlin than he does in chicago because it helps him utilize the mood of the city better than just a copy of his chicago studio. doesnt make it not detroit techno but i think its pretty obvious that to alot of artists their surroundings will have effect on their tunes. tom andythepooh.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah thats very interesting that interview and I never realised just how many DJ's/producers live in Berlin and since playing there and germany I woudl love a place in Hamburg or Berlin...but for now I have to do with Chelmsford... Dude, just move to Berlin. It's so cheap to live here it's stupid. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
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i have heard its so cheap,,,I may get a house there next year depending on gigs in Europe,etc as uk is just so expensive :( -Original Message- From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 25/05/2004 16:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit and Geography [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah thats very interesting that interview and I never realised just how many DJ's/producers live in Berlin and since playing there and germany I woudl love a place in Hamburg or Berlin...but for now I have to do with Chelmsford... Dude, just move to Berlin. It's so cheap to live here it's stupid. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
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i've certanly gotten more of a hip-hop and downtempo vibe going since moving from Detroit to LA. slower beats for slower days? On Tue, 25 May 2004, sasha wrote: All this talk about where one is from has me thinking of something that has been nipping at me since I made the trek from East to West about 5 or 6 years ago; how the landscape has such an important effect on the impact of music. For those of you not familiar with the US, the Northeast, on the coast, in cities like Boston and NY (and Detroit) is very industrialized. Here on the West Coast, especially in the Bay Area (San Francisco - or should I say Pacifica, cause technically, I'm 5 miles south of the city?), the land is more open and people are generally more in touch with the environment around them. Some places, like LA, don't have a city center and seem like one endless suburb. So, the point is that the West Coast does not generally feel like an East Coast city. Anyways, upon moving from Boston to SF, I noticed that all the music I had previously been into, like UR, the more hard-hitting techno, etc, did not feel or sound the same to me. The impact was no longer there. Driving down the Pacific Coast Highway, and seeing the towering rocks and blue ocean and blasting UR's X101 makes no sense to me any longer. Hard to feel like a techno rebel with all this sunshine and blue skies around. Although I still can get into the jazzier UR stuff, I avoid the hard techno bin at the local shop now. House, funk, disco, environ, it all sounds better out here somehow. Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit techno, does not have a universal appeal on some level, but it's taken moving around to help me understand that music's appeal lies more than in just the art. The cultural milieu, and the environmental surroundings have an important impact as well. Anyone else experience this? - Sasha -Original Message- From: Ronny Pries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:02 AM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) why lie on your bio (Tim Baker) aw, i was looking forward to a discussion regarding the digital distribution topic and you keep ranting about districts :) on a sidenote, not everybody knows that jackson, mason, ann arbor or whatever are even close to detroit. the important thing is giving people who aren't firm with detroit and its surrounding (be my guest :) a rough idea where you're from. i'd understand if you rant about me writing i'd come from detroit (*cough*) but hey, those few miles more or less you guys deal with aren't really worth getting upset, right? ronny
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i do believe that most of the Narrcisist was recorded when Kenny was still back in Detroit. the new Dark Comedy does have a different feel, although I wouldn't just lay a geographical tag on it On Tue, 25 May 2004, matrix313 wrote: Interesting theory. so, in listening to the new Kenny Larkin album, we should take into consideration that he's been living in L.A. for the past 2 and a half years, and listen to it from a west coast point of view, to avoid comparing it to whats commonly considered Detroit Techno? check out Kenny's The Narcissist album, the worlds first Hollywood Techno® project! Look at that, I've created a new sub-genre category! :^) sean on 5/25/04 5:47 AM, robin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit techno, does not have a universal appeal on some level, but it's taken moving around to help me understand that music's appeal lies more than in just the art. The cultural milieu, and the environmental surroundings have an important impact as well. Anyone else experience this? yeah this is a variation of the 'what do you listen to in the summer' question but yeah living in Manchester (well Warrington, well actually Fearnhead, loly'know these are all 15 miles apart) means that it's raining all year round which for me is something in between house and techno :) when i visited Sydney, Australia i could totally see how i'd probably listen to less techno if i lived there (it's very nice weather-wise in case you couldn't guess)and this appears to be reflected in the music that is played in the clubs (that i was aware oftime for the Ozzies to chime in a prove me wrong :) ) robin...
