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yep..i heard they massacre my mine's hypnotic tango on one track... Funny - they have a new album of electro-pop - just out here. Siobhan isn't on there - she's now an electro DJ in London. ;) On 20/04/2006, at 4:09 AM, Rob Theakston wrote: I'd be all about reuniting Bananarama for a closer.
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A new take on Bananarama's Cruel Summer especially for this year's festival Hot summer streets And the sewers are smoking I sit around Too minimal to handle, baby Trying to smile But the line-up is too minimal or ravey How could you leave me waiting No Detroit artists are playing What did they play Things I can't understand It's too minimal for comfort This trendiness has got right out of hand (chorus x 2) It's a cruel, cruel summer Leaving me here on my own It's a cruel, cruel summer Now DEMF is gone In 2005 Hart Plaza was crowded My friends are away And I'm on my own Too minimal to handle, baby It's too minimal to handle So I got to get up and go (chorus) Paxahau you're not the only one (chorus) (bridge x 2) In Hart Plaza in the summertime All I ever wanted was your love Come on and make it shine Juan Atkins can you open the heavens up above (chorus) Paxahau You're not the only one (chorus) (bridge x2) :_( MEK Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/20/2006 05:46:58 PM: Funny - they have a new album of electro-pop - just out here. Siobhan isn't on there - she's now an electro DJ in London. ;) On 20/04/2006, at 4:09 AM, Rob Theakston wrote: I'd be all about reuniting Bananarama for a closer.
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:::perk::: Oohhh, rino cerone, danilo vigorito, mark antonio, and marco passarani and the nature crew! I'd like that! On Apr 19, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: what about the italian techno guys? tom
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Funny - they have a new album of electro-pop - just out here. Siobhan isn't on there - she's now an electro DJ in London. ;) On 20/04/2006, at 4:09 AM, Rob Theakston wrote: I'd be all about reuniting Bananarama for a closer.
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You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... It is really easy to criticize an organization like Paxahau for their artistic choices, but I think it's missing a major point: Paxahau has survived in promotion for years -- and a mostly _respected_ player in the game -- by balancing art and commercialism. Now, they've taken on a job that could sink both their financial security and their reputation as promoters. Their job is to pack the Plaza. The way you do that is to book people who are famous to people who don't know that much about techno. Once they're there, they can learn a thing or two about real Detroit music. Some of them won't, but some people never learn anything. The 313 list is a collection of techno otaku. The perfect 313 list festival would likely attract people from the 313 list, their girlfriends and wingmen, and not many more people. That's not going to fill the plaza. I know a lot of people around my town who love dance music in the generic sense -- they know DJs, not producers, they can't identify famous tracks by title or artists. They're very excited about the festival, because of the names they recognize. They will go to see Richie, but once they're there, they will vote with their feet, and be wherever the music makes them feel good. The Detroit artists at the festival, who aren't Donald Glaude, or Richie Hawtin, etc should feel good about their chances with that crowd. And all those CelebriDJs on the schedule ought to know -- they better bring it, or they're going to be laughed out of town. Even kids who don't know who Ron Murphy is, who've never bought a 12, don't know Mike Banks from Mike Myers, who've never owned a turntable, know when a DJ is wack. I think it will be a brilliant festival weekend actually, and if you want to be a black t-shirt Debbie Downer about the whole deal, it's your right. Me, I'm going to be dancing like an idiot next to the kid in the tiger suit.
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On 4/19/06, Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... too bad for them if they dont like the chattering class. my job isnt to appease anyone, its to talk about things in an honest manner. if they dont like that, there must be a reason. honesty must frighten them. It is really easy to criticize an organization like Paxahau for their artistic choices, but I think it's missing a major point: Paxahau has survived in promotion for years -- and a mostly _respected_ player in the game -- by balancing art and commercialism. Now, they've taken on a job that could sink both their financial security and their reputation as promoters. look, if you go back to when they announced that paxahau was doing it, i expressed hope that they would be able to do a decent job and get some good results. then we got that lineup. and all positivity was drained from my feelings about them doing the festival. Their job is to pack the Plaza. The way you do that is to book people who are famous to people who don't know that much about techno. Once they're there, they can learn a thing or two about real Detroit music. Some of them won't, but some people never learn anything. there are ways to do this, and ways not to do it. the orb is an interesting and decently respectable choice. donald glaude isnt. richie hawtin, for as much hating on that dood as ive done, is even still alright. POTD isnt. The 313 list is a collection of techno otaku. The perfect 313 list festival would likely attract people from the 313 list, their girlfriends and wingmen, and not many more people. That's not going to fill the plaza. ive never expressed anything negative about past festival lineups, and there were plenty of people at those. i think almost every festival thus far has done a better job of having a balance of good stuff and stuff that will draw lots of people. this one is heavily weighted towards the drawing lots of people end. They will go to see Richie, but once they're there, they will vote with their feet, and be wherever the music makes them feel good. The Detroit artists at the festival, who aren't Donald Glaude, or Richie Hawtin, etc should feel good about their chances with that crowd. yeah right. come on now, you know as well as i that people who are excited about donald glaude or POTD are not going to be the people who even give someone like shake or aux 88 the time of day. its a fundamental difference in music. just because bad trance and house uses similar instruments and structures as good house and techno doesnt mean that theyre related. theyre not. hiphop and soul are much closer to detroit house and techno than doc martin or photek are. And all those CelebriDJs on the schedule ought to know -- they better bring it, or they're going to be laughed out of town. Even kids who don't know who Ron Murphy is, who've never bought a 12, don't know Mike Banks from Mike Myers, who've never owned a turntable, know when a DJ is wack. i absolutely disagree. ive witnessed morons at raves going nuts to any number of deejays who couldnt mix, couldnt select a decent track, couldnt do a damn thing! this is what happens when you deal with lowest common denominator music. and thats just what we're starting to see in this lineup. I think it will be a brilliant festival weekend actually, and if you want to be a black t-shirt Debbie Downer about the whole deal, it's your right. Me, I'm going to be dancing like an idiot next to the kid in the tiger suit. ill be there like always. ill pitch in my money and do my part to make sure that the festival is a success. my family and i (not even counting all the people who are in the large group of people you know we got with) spend a pretty ludicrous amount of money and time to go to this festival. but i will only be burned once. if i wanted to hear bad dance music, i could do that in pittsburgh just fine. i want to go to detroit for something special, not some LCD nonsense. tom
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this is way too sunny. i prefer to be a black t-shirt debbie downer. i do not have faith that the masses have good taste, they are generally followers...they take what you give em, the more popular it is the more they believe it's good. that beginning bit about ohh i talk to respected artists and they don't like it...hahaha thats so lame i dont even know how to respond to it. they can speak for themselves, no? and people can discuss the lineup all they want. if there's general dissatsifaction, and disappointment with paxahau, so be it. it's on them to redeem themselves in our eyes, if they care, and i dont think anyone would blame them if they don't...festivals aren't pleasant anyways, they are for the masses. most of us probably aren't the target audience, so who cares what we think anyways..except each other? no need to sugarcoat opinions here i'm just waiting for the rest of the lineup with high expectations and trying not to prejudge...judging the list so far aint pretty, but it's not worth much since i guess it's only 25% of the schedule or something. it is frustrating that people will write off the festival already, and that it's not attractive to foreign visitors thus far, but...we'll se -Original Message- From: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 19, 2006 10:07 AM To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... It is really easy to criticize an organization like Paxahau for their artistic choices, but I think it's missing a major point: Paxahau has survived in promotion for years -- and a mostly _respected_ player in the game -- by balancing art and commercialism. Now, they've taken on a job that could sink both their financial security and their reputation as promoters. Their job is to pack the Plaza. The way you do that is to book people who are famous to people who don't know that much about techno. Once they're there, they can learn a thing or two about real Detroit music. Some of them won't, but some people never learn anything. The 313 list is a collection of techno otaku. The perfect 313 list festival would likely attract people from the 313 list, their girlfriends and wingmen, and not many more people. That's not going to fill the plaza. I know a lot of people around my town who love dance music in the generic sense -- they know DJs, not producers, they can't identify famous tracks by title or artists. They're very excited about the festival, because of the names they recognize. They will go to see Richie, but once they're there, they will vote with their feet, and be wherever the music makes them feel good. The Detroit artists at the festival, who aren't Donald Glaude, or Richie Hawtin, etc should feel good about their chances with that crowd. And all those CelebriDJs on the schedule ought to know -- they better bring it, or they're going to be laughed out of town. Even kids who don't know who Ron Murphy is, who've never bought a 12, don't know Mike Banks from Mike Myers, who've never owned a turntable, know when a DJ is wack. I think it will be a brilliant festival weekend actually, and if you want to be a black t-shirt Debbie Downer about the whole deal, it's your right. Me, I'm going to be dancing like an idiot next to the kid in the tiger suit.
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am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup? i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:07, Kent Williams wrote: You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 4/19/06, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup? i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? tom
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On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? yeah we spend plenty of time yammering about dusty disco classics and krautrock and kraftwerk and funk and house, none of which is detroit techno either. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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JT: it is frustrating that people will write off the festival already, and that it's not attractive to foreign visitors thus far, but...we'll se I was about to comment (from the pov of a european who has been before and would like to go again) that the way the line-up has been announced and the nature of it so far is unlikely to draw the kind of people who'd normal stump up the 100s to come to Detroit for the festival. I like to think that the local artists and djs will be announced later but this delay is going to help even less in attracting overseas visitors. The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? matt kane: i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. Personally i don't really go in for sub-genres and that perhaps is the problem here. robin...
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On 4/19/06, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah we spend plenty of time yammering about dusty disco classics and krautrock and kraftwerk and funk and house, none of which is detroit techno either. in general its all connected through sampling or influence. it is 313 afterall, not 313 techno. and all those funk, house, disco, and krautrock jams are what made detroit techno and house possible, as discussed in listmember dan bean's recent article in WaxPoetics. this stuff is enough steps removed from detroit music that i wouldnt automatically assume people on this list would or wouldnt like it, just like any other random genre. tom
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On 19 Apr 2006, at 16:11, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? yeah we spend plenty of time yammering about dusty disco classics and krautrock and kraftwerk and funk and house, none of which is detroit techno either. I think a lot of us on here appreciate the whole spectrum of electronic music that Detroit techno has it's roots in too. (As well as the music from Detroit of course). robin...
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On 4/19/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? youd be suprised at how much that idea is railed against in forums like detroitluv or even this one, apparently. i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. tom
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can - check worms - check can opener - check I'm staying outta this one (mainly because I haven't slept all night and I might just be hallucinating what I just read) MEK Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Thomas D. Cox, Jr. 04/19/06 10:11 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? yeah we spend plenty of time yammering about dusty disco classics and krautrock and kraftwerk and funk and house, none of which is detroit techno either. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was about to comment (from the pov of a european who has been before and would like to go again) that the way the line-up has been announced and the nature of it so far is unlikely to draw the kind of people who'd normal stump up the 100s to come to Detroit for the festival. Yeah well im in the same boat, but having said that I spent about a grand all in coming over from the UK for the second festival and ended up spending most my time drunk in Greektown or somewhere chasing after some Texan girls from the hotel. To my credit I did find myself at an afterparty at one point which was great until I realised there was no bar and it was Adam X on the decks so I left, only to later discover that Drexciya played live about 20 minutes later (It was Alex's eyes only party)! So from a musical standpoint my jaunt to Detoit was an abject failure. From a getting it on with cute Texan chicks standpoint though it was worth every penny! I guess what im saying is if I ever stumped up the cash to go back it wouldn't neccesarily be for the line up as much as just to have a mad 3 days in Detroit again. Im sure there would always be enough good music going on at some point to satisfy my need for that.
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-LOL see you there matt!! actually i wanted to reply to JT but that was last week and i didnt want to open what appeared to be a dead thread, but now since kent gone and resuscitated it i think i will.. first of all i totally disagree with the sub-sub genre thing.for me the only real discriminator for music is whether i like it or not. its either good or bad. period. JT was talking about how a 2 hour set of non.stop minimal clicky house (whatever, call it what you want) would be boring.well, i agree! a 2 hour set of non.stop whatever would be boring, be it pure 313 techno or pure Chi.house!! that to me is called a crap dj, whether i like the music he represents or not. So it's either good or bad music and it's either good or bad djing. Genres and pidgeholing are created by the press and spin doctors, as we have often stated on this list. i also find it quite amusing (i often find hypocrisy amusing) that Daniel Bell gets the thumbs up while Richie Hawtin or trendy minimalists get totally shatted on. Where is the line folks? Why isn't Daniel Bell called a (gasp!) trendy minimalist? Have you heard his sets? there more german stuff on there than there is on the Kompakt distribution list! Have most of you even heard a set by Villalobos or Zip? There's more detroit stuff in there than i have heard at a derrick may gig and i'm talking out of personal experience. And last thing, where the hell do you think most of these trendy minimalists got their insipiration from? Yes that's right, Detroit and Chicago!! Ok, sorry for the rant, but the elitist attitude really gets under my skin and im tired of reading total BS. And please, do not consider me a champion of the trendy minimalist sound. I would find that somewhat limiting and insulting. I hate it when the deadhead-factor rears its ugly head on this list. (personal jab: Tom, i bet you would still complain even if they had Theo, Kenny, Carl Craig and Norm Tally playing for 48hrs non.stop) fab. CITYMORB MUSIC www.citymorb.net | [EMAIL PROTECTED] out now: CTM002 SMBP - Stars Falling ep. next release: CTM004 Vermont - The Santa Cruz Operation ep. - Original Message - From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup? i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:07, Kent Williams wrote: You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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HEAR HEAR - Original Message - From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? yeah we spend plenty of time yammering about dusty disco classics and krautrock and kraftwerk and funk and house, none of which is detroit techno either. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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Thanks, Tom, for carefully and civilly answering everything I said. Now there are two ways to look at what Paxahau is doing. I think my way might end up being more fun, but you have to be true to yourself. Everything you've said is completely reasonable -- I don't even disagree with you. As for being the 'chattering class' -- well we can hardly escape it. The 313 list is where I found out about some of my favorite music first, so to me the list matters. That may give me fewer cool points than people who got into it because they helped Juan Atkins with his algebra homework, but I don't want to front like I'm someone I'm not. I know that it upsets some musicians and DJs when they get called out here, but overall I'd say the 313 list has been a positive force in promoting Detroit music around the world. I don't want you to paste on a smiley face on and pull yourr punches. It's a mailing list, after all, and anyone who gets upset by what someone says on 313 probably needs to grow thicker skin. I just see no reason in the lineup not to go and have a great time. If it bothers you at least you can be one of those geezers that can say 'man, 2000 was so much cooler.'
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that is one of the most stupid things i have read on this list fab. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? youd be suprised at how much that idea is railed against in forums like detroitluv or even this one, apparently. i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. tom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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tom you'd be complain even if the new kids on the block were going to be at the festival and signing free autographs. to reproduce you with computer program would simply require a couple lines of profane code. Thomas D. Cox wrote: On 4/19/06, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup? i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? tom
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The Detroit-Berlin connection that goes back almost 20 years should go without saying on the 313 list. It might not be to your taste -- and face it, 90% of every techno subgenre is derivative crap. But it's not like there's no connection. On 4/19/06, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know?
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LOL, do you mean the bit about Paul's girlfriend, the cow and Carl Craig? I had to re-read that one a couple of times just to check... I'm staying outta this one (mainly because I haven't slept all night and I might just be hallucinating what I just read)
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please stop with the personal flames - it's getting old and boring to read either discuss the music or take it off list MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mi.netTo Thomas D. Cox, Jr. 04/19/06 10:37 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up tom you'd be complain even if the new kids on the block were going to be at the festival and signing free autographs. to reproduce you with computer program would simply require a couple lines of profane code. Thomas D. Cox wrote: On 4/19/06, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup? i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? tom
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Zoinks! goes back to sleep under office desk MEK Dan Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] o.uk To 313@hyperreal.org 04/19/06 10:41 AM cc Subject Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up LOL, do you mean the bit about Paul's girlfriend, the cow and Carl Craig? I had to re-read that one a couple of times just to check... I'm staying outta this one (mainly because I haven't slept all night and I might just be hallucinating what I just read)
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Well it's a great debate but, when I called to find out about the possibility of adding a renewed Detroit classic (Label) to any kind of of DEMF functions I was told pack it up it's too late already? My response..but you just announced 2-3weeks ago? How could that be? I figured they'd need more submissions? Clearly they took a head-start on things but without leaving any possibilities for Detroit's own? That list lacks... djBlkout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:46 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... too bad for them if they dont like the chattering class. my job isnt to appease anyone, its to talk about things in an honest manner. if they dont like that, there must be a reason. honesty must frighten them. It is really easy to criticize an organization like Paxahau for their artistic choices, but I think it's missing a major point: Paxahau has survived in promotion for years -- and a mostly _respected_ player in the game -- by balancing art and commercialism. Now, they've taken on a job that could sink both their financial security and their reputation as promoters. look, if you go back to when they announced that paxahau was doing it, i expressed hope that they would be able to do a decent job and get some good results. then we got that lineup. and all positivity was drained from my feelings about them doing the festival. Their job is to pack the Plaza. The way you do that is to book people who are famous to people who don't know that much about techno. Once they're there, they can learn a thing or two about real Detroit music. Some of them won't, but some people never learn anything. there are ways to do this, and ways not to do it. the orb is an interesting and decently respectable choice. donald glaude isnt. richie hawtin, for as much hating on that dood as ive done, is even still alright. POTD isnt. The 313 list is a collection of techno otaku. The perfect 313 list festival would likely attract people from the 313 list, their girlfriends and wingmen, and not many more people. That's not going to fill the plaza. ive never expressed anything negative about past festival lineups, and there were plenty of people at those. i think almost every festival thus far has done a better job of having a balance of good stuff and stuff that will draw lots of people. this one is heavily weighted towards the drawing lots of people end. They will go to see Richie, but once they're there, they will vote with their feet, and be wherever the music makes them feel good. The Detroit artists at the festival, who aren't Donald Glaude, or Richie Hawtin, etc should feel good about their chances with that crowd. yeah right. come on now, you know as well as i that people who are excited about donald glaude or POTD are not going to be the people who even give someone like shake or aux 88 the time of day. its a fundamental difference in music. just because bad trance and house uses similar instruments and structures as good house and techno doesnt mean that theyre related. theyre not. hiphop and soul are much closer to detroit house and techno than doc martin or photek are. And all those CelebriDJs on the schedule ought to know -- they better bring it, or they're going to be laughed out of town. Even kids who don't know who Ron Murphy is, who've never bought a 12, don't know Mike Banks from Mike Myers, who've never owned a turntable, know when a DJ is wack. i absolutely disagree. ive witnessed morons at raves going nuts to any number of deejays who couldnt mix, couldnt select a decent track, couldnt do a damn thing! this is what happens when you deal with lowest common denominator music. and thats just what we're starting to see in this lineup. I think it will be a brilliant festival weekend actually, and if you want to be a black t-shirt Debbie Downer about the whole deal, it's your right. Me, I'm going to be dancing like an idiot next to the kid in the tiger suit. ill be there like always. ill pitch in my money and do my part to make sure that the festival is a success. my family and i (not even counting all the people who are in the large group of people you know we got with) spend a pretty ludicrous amount of money and time to go to this festival. but i will only be burned once. if i wanted to hear bad dance music, i could do that in pittsburgh just fine. i want to go to detroit for something special, not some LCD nonsense. tom
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Thank you Tom! -Original Message- From: fab. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:35 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up that is one of the most stupid things i have read on this list fab. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? youd be suprised at how much that idea is railed against in forums like detroitluv or even this one, apparently. i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. tom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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first of all i totally disagree with the sub-sub genre thing.for me the only real discriminator for music is whether i like it or not. its either good or bad. period. well sure, but thats like saying nothing... JT was talking about how a 2 hour set of non.stop minimal clicky house (whatever, call it what you want) would be boring.well, i agree! a 2 hour set of non.stop whatever would be boring, be it pure 313 techno or pure Chi.house!! that to me is called a crap dj, whether i like the music he represents or not. well sure...but minimal clicky house is a much more compartmentalized genre than detroit techno or chi house...within detroit techno, there is minimal clicky detroit techno, bangin techno...etc etc...if every song is going to have clicks and static farts...it's going to be real boring if you dont particularly like clicks and static farts...this was my point about the specificity of sub-sub-genres Genres and pidgeholing are created by the press and spin doctors, as we have often stated on this list. not entirely. labels and artists pidgeon-hole themselves sometimes, for better or for worse. it's just the way of things...everything is a derivative of something else that was a derivative of something else, ad infinitum...but some things even more than others... i also find it quite amusing (i often find hypocrisy amusing) that Daniel Bell gets the thumbs up while Richie Hawtin or trendy minimalists get totally shatted on. Where is the line folks? Why isn't Daniel Bell called a (gasp!) trendy minimalist? Have you heard his sets? there more german stuff on there than there is on the Kompakt distribution list! uuhhh. i'll just use your reasoning here. i like what i hear from dan bell more than what i hear from richie hawtin, and his sets are more eclectic..at least the one recent set i have. maybe he does make trendy minimal music too, i dunno. i might like it anyways. i like some ark stuff that i've heard. i just don't like the disproportionate balance of the festival on this kind of stuff, which is a very specific sound. its just not very eclectic so far... Have most of you even heard a set by Villalobos or Zip? There's more detroit stuff in there than i have heard at a derrick may gig and i'm talking out of personal experience. yes, i agree. but villalobos isnt booked is he? that would be cool...i'm surprised he's not. And last thing, where the hell do you think most of these trendy minimalists got their insipiration from? Yes that's right, Detroit and Chicago!! who cares, if it doesnt sound good it doesnt sound good :P the pvssycat dolls probably cite prince as an inspiration, dont mean much Ok, sorry for the rant, but the elitist attitude really gets under my skin and im tired of reading total BS. And please, do not consider me a champion of the trendy minimalist sound. I would find that somewhat limiting and insulting. i think you may have missed my point...i dont mind trendy minimalist stuff at all (just because it's trendy, that is), i probably like some of it, disco and italo stuff is awfully trendy right now too and i like much of that as well. but when popularity/trendiness makes eclecticism suffer, it's troubling to me.
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Ok, it will be my final words... I agree with the ones who whant to hear some other things than Detroit music at Detroit festival...I think, have good music is the most important...in all the ways... But I seems to be logic, than a festival in Detroit brings mainly the Detroit related musics...and then some good music around...I fee its a bit strange than finaly, most of the Detroit artist will play in afterparty...in the Dark again...even for the celebration of their music...So it promises to have good after-parties ;-). And finaly...I think the the wise decision this year...was to cancel the festival and have more than a year to prepare THE next Detroit festival (2007)...quietly, correctly ...Paxahau, Kevin Saunderson and others had/have 2 months to prepare the previous festivals and this year too...so regarding that parameters they did a good job...but Can we imagine a festival prepared during a year...I hope to see that one day...in DETROIT... 6 months of promotions without any doubt on the fact than it will happen or not...One year to book the hotel rooms, to prepare the after-parties...organize travels with friends...A dream... Fabrice From: dbooker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'fab.' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Thomas D. Cox, Jr.' [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:14:31 -0400 Thank you Tom! -Original Message- From: fab. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:35 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up that is one of the most stupid things i have read on this list fab. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? youd be suprised at how much that idea is railed against in forums like detroitluv or even this one, apparently. i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. tom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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no! not at all. my trendy arse cannot wait for this! - Original Message - From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup?
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- Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. consider yourself lucky that you have the funds and time to go to berlin. i do not! so i will continue to welcome this trendy sh1t (as you would call it) that i love at a festival less than 3 hours from my home.
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- Original Message - From: J.T. it's just the way of things...everything is a derivative of something else that was a derivative of something else, ad infinitum... Spin Dr. Margulis: http://www.isepp.org/Pages/San%20Jose%2004-05/MargulisSaganSJ.html Symbiogenesis is a theory of evolution. It argues that symbiosis is a primary force of evolution, because acquisition and accumulation of random mutations or genetic drift are not sufficient to explain how new inherited variations occur. According to this theory, new cell organelles, new bodies, new organs and new species arise from symbiosis, in which independent organisms merge to form composites. To some degree, Darwin emphasized competition as the primary driving process of evolution, symbiogenesis emphasizes that co-operation can also be important to the process of evolution.
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And finaly...I think the the wise decision this year...was to cancel the festival and have more than a year to prepare THE next Detroit festival (2007)...quietly, correctly ... Amen to that Fabrice! That is EXACTLY what they should have done. The rush to produce this is showing up more and more each year. MEK
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- Original Message - From: skept consider yourself lucky that you have the funds and time to go to berlin. i do not! so i will continue to welcome this trendy sh1t (as you would call it) that i love at a festival less than 3 hours from my home. Coming soon to a rave near you.
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- Original Message - From: seek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Coming soon to a rave near you. any amount of making fun of me or whatever jaded comments you might have do not change my opinion.
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On Apr 19, 2006, at 13:58, seek wrote: Coming soon to a rave near you. man, would i love to be at a rave where i wasn't the only one playing techno :( -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight The rush to produce this is showing up more and more each year. Gimme an 'R'!!! Dude, are Rush going to be there too?! (Not surprised.) seek np: Bubbles + Alex Lifeson - 'Closer to the Heart'
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On 4/19/06, fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (personal jab: Tom, i bet you would still complain even if they had Theo, Kenny, Carl Craig and Norm Tally playing for 48hrs non.stop) if they were the only thing booked, yeah id complain! ive seen great sets over the years in genres such as hiphop, jazz, soul, reggae, electro, downtempo, etc. i am most passionate about the kind of stuff those guys in particular make and play, but i listen to all music. i want that diversity! i want to see dabrye playing before far freddy's drop playing before the detroit experiment playing before legowelt playing before theo. thats most along my idea of what the festival was and should continue to be! tom
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I'd be all about reuniting Bananarama for a closer.
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On 4/19/06, Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Detroit-Berlin connection that goes back almost 20 years should go without saying on the 313 list. It might not be to your taste -- and face it, 90% of every techno subgenre is derivative crap. But it's not like there's no connection. well, i dont hear the connection in this music like i do in other stuff from berlin. i mean, im a huge basic channel, soundhack, etc fan. i like the sleeparchive stuff too. you can hear it. this minimal stuff sounds more like progressive house, the music's crossover to john digweed cemented that in my mind. for example, deep dish used to have obvious connections to what happened in detroit and chicago. where they are now, there's no connection. and thats about where minimal stuff is these days, IMO. tom
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On 4/19/06, fabrice Lig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with the ones who whant to hear some other things than Detroit music at Detroit festival...I think, have good music is the most important...in all the ways... just to clarify, i have never said it should be strictly detroit music. i knew when paxahau took over that they would lean towards the trendy minimal stuff and the banging techno, thats what they do at their afterparties every year and in their other events. but man, i never would have thought we'd see ravey stuff and minimal to the exclusion of everything else worldwide. the bunker crew being there last year was easily one of the highlights of any of the festivals ive been to. there's nothing at all on that level here. i do want music from all over. where are the delsin guys? the rush hour guys? the clone guys? where is environ? danny wang and the balihu crew? man, im not even a fan but id even like it if they put some of the italo/cosmic stuff thats coming out from lindstrom and the like if it meant more variety. what about the italian techno guys? man, why isnt UR getting a label showcase? these are the questions i have, and i want answers! tom
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yep - totally agree the line-up as it stands right now is pretty thin - sure there's a few drum bass artists but how about some funk, soul, jazz, spoken word, ELECTROFUNK, experimental noise, etc. what we have is: Kompakt minimal Kompakt downtempo Kompakt ambient and some artists that tour so often in the US you could set your clocks to their performance dates I think, really, truly, so far - with what has been announced - they have gone half assed in either direction If they want to make the money - go for it - book Mylo, Moby, and MIA or Lady Sovereign. Seriously, make it a proper Pop fest like Coachella. Or, try to live up to the previous festivals' examples and get some high tech soul of all kinds. Paxahau is throwing a bigger Paxahau party - that's all it appears to be at this point. MEK Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To il.com 313@hyperreal.org cc 04/19/06 01:25 PM Subject Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (personal jab: Tom, i bet you would still complain even if they had Theo, Kenny, Carl Craig and Norm Tally playing for 48hrs non.stop) if they were the only thing booked, yeah id complain! ive seen great sets over the years in genres such as hiphop, jazz, soul, reggae, electro, downtempo, etc. i am most passionate about the kind of stuff those guys in particular make and play, but i listen to all music. i want that diversity! i want to see dabrye playing before far freddy's drop playing before the detroit experiment playing before legowelt playing before theo. thats most along my idea of what the festival was and should continue to be! tom
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On 4/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kompakt ambient one thing i do have to say is that i appreciate bringing in some more ambient kinda stuff. thats cool, and its something i cant have enough of. but there are other good people to bring too, like louis haiman and even some better german stuff like Gas and the like. tom
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- Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight the line-up as it stands right now is pretty thin - sure there's a few drum bass artists but how about some funk, soul, jazz, spoken word, ELECTROFUNK, experimental noise, etc. Too late to get in touch with these folks and book a few handfuls of their acts?: http://www.electronicpm.co.uk/epm__djs_performers.php Damn: they booked Donald, Doc and Josh; why not Tiesto? Same outfit: http://www.amonly.com/
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On 4/19/06, seek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too late to get in touch with these folks and book a few handfuls of their acts?: http://www.electronicpm.co.uk/epm__djs_performers.php sh*t, they could just book their whole roster and id be happy: Adam X, Alden Tyrell, Alexander Robotnick, Andrea Parker, Bass Junkie, Clandestine, Clone Records, Damon Wild, Dan Curtin, Detroit Grand Pubahs, Dexter, Dirt Crew, Disco D, Dj 3000, Dj Bone, Dj Dex, Dj Dijital, Dj Godfather, Dj Nasty, Dmx Krew, Duplex, Dynamix Ii, Ectomorph, Egyptian Lover, Exzakt, Fabrice Lig Aka Soul Designer, Fastgraph, Francisco, Freddy Fresh, Galaxy 2 Galaxy, Imatran Voima, International Deejay Gigolos, Jackal And Hyde, Kirk Degiorgio, Klakson, Los Hermanos, Marco Passarani, Mat101, Motor, Neil Landstrumm, Octave One, Oliver Way, Orlando Voorn, Phuture 303, Putsch 79, Raiders Of The Lost Arp, Random Noise Generation, Red Planet, Robert Hood, S2, Scan 7, Serge, Seymour Bits, Space Djz, Steffi, Suburban Knight, Tek Bros, The Hacker, Underground Resistance now THAT'S what a DEMF lineup should look like. to
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Damn: they booked Donald, Doc and Josh; why not Tiesto? or Bashful, Grumpy, or Sneezy. MEK
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louis already played...(and it was great!!!) as did rush hour and clone...(and serge from clone especially was great!!) maybe this is all jumping the gun and paxahau booked what they know best, and the most obvious clubby stuff first, and just wanted to get a preliminary lineup out there...aint over yet! i'm sure they're working very hard and i am not trying to undermine them or criticize them before they are even done...its just that the initial lineup makes me very cynical.. one thing i do have to say is that i appreciate bringing in some more ambient kinda stuff. thats cool, and its something i cant have enough of. but there are other good people to bring too, like louis haiman and even some better german stuff like Gas and the like. tom
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- Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. http://www.electronicpm.co.uk/epm__djs_performers.php sh*t, they could just book their whole roster and id be happy: Freddy Fresh === Fresh is the word!!! np: Accidentally Classic
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- Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. but there are other good people to bring too, like louis haiman = fwdthought focus area: make it so.
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thats what it already looked like, 80% of those peeps have played in the past...of course i'd love to see many again Adam X, Alden Tyrell, Alexander Robotnick, Andrea Parker, Bass Junkie, Clandestine, Clone Records, Damon Wild, Dan Curtin, Detroit Grand Pubahs, Dexter, Dirt Crew, Disco D, Dj 3000, Dj Bone, Dj Dex, Dj Dijital, Dj Godfather, Dj Nasty, Dmx Krew, Duplex, Dynamix Ii, Ectomorph, Egyptian Lover, Exzakt, Fabrice Lig Aka Soul Designer, Fastgraph, Francisco, Freddy Fresh, Galaxy 2 Galaxy, Imatran Voima, International Deejay Gigolos, Jackal And Hyde, Kirk Degiorgio, Klakson, Los Hermanos, Marco Passarani, Mat101, Motor, Neil Landstrumm, Octave One, Oliver Way, Orlando Voorn, Phuture 303, Putsch 79, Raiders Of The Lost Arp, Random Noise Generation, Red Planet, Robert Hood, S2, Scan 7, Serge, Seymour Bits, Space Djz, Steffi, Suburban Knight, Tek Bros, The Hacker, Underground Resistance now THAT'S what a DEMF lineup should look like. to
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- Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight Damn: they booked Donald, Doc and Josh; why not Tiesto? or Bashful, Grumpy, or Sneezy. and Dasher, and Dancer, and Comet, and Cupid, and Blitzen, and the Donner Party: they'll eat all of the hammy djs.
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- Original Message - From: J.T. maybe this is all jumping the gun and paxahau booked what they know best, and the most obvious clubby stuff first, and just wanted to get a preliminary lineup out there...aint over yet! Too late: the fat lady has sung: Well it's a great debate but, when I called to find out about the possibility of adding a renewed Detroit classic (Label) to any kind of of DEMF functions I was told pack it up it's too late already? My response..but you just announced 2-3weeks ago? How could that be?
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On 4/19/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats what it already looked like, 80% of those peeps have played in the past...of course i'd love to see many again i know it has, ive seen many of those guys the only times ive seen them at the festival. and i missed louis' set (was it 03?) unfortunately, but still the idea is that he has a whole label's worth of artists that he's supporting who that kind of ambient techno stuff. same with all those other labels. even if they didnt wanna repeat bookings (which obviously they dont mind THAT much since hawin is playing yet again!) there were other artists on those labels who could come over here and rock it. and i mean im just coming up with my suggestions off the top of my head, im sure a quick jaunt through my 12s would come up with many more names and organizations.. tom
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hmm yeah well we'll see... damon..maybe call them back and talk in a german accent... har har Too late: the fat lady has sung: Well it's a great debate but, when I called to find out about the possibility of adding a renewed Detroit classic (Label) to any kind of of DEMF functions I was told pack it up it's too late already? My response..but you just announced 2-3weeks ago? How could that be?
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I've made the long journey twice but I don't really feel any particular draw to this event to be honest- it kind of feels like they've picked some OK and some very not OK people to play and the Detroit to be announced people are tacked on as a necessity since the event is held in Detroit. I haven't got any any axe to grind at all with the promoters (I've only ever heard of them through the 313 list before and there have been an equal amount of I love em and I hate em accounts ass far as I remember- I'm just giving the viewpoint of somebody who loves music from Detroit (Techno and otherwise) and isn't really that attracted to this festival. I'd love to come over to see a few old friends but I can't see it happening. Jason On 19 Apr 2006, at 16:12, robin wrote: JT: it is frustrating that people will write off the festival already, and that it's not attractive to foreign visitors thus far, but...we'll se I was about to comment (from the pov of a european who has been before and would like to go again) that the way the line-up has been announced and the nature of it so far is unlikely to draw the kind of people who'd normal stump up the 100s to come to Detroit for the festival. I like to think that the local artists and djs will be announced later but this delay is going to help even less in attracting overseas visitors. The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? matt kane: i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. Personally i don't really go in for sub-genres and that perhaps is the problem here. robin...
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By the way Tom, with what you said about Detroit i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. shows how apparent it is that you grew up listening to only one aspect of the Detroit culture and that you very possibly have a limited knowledge of the full scope of Detroits music scene. I know of at least one Detroit DnB producer that is better than any London DnB I've ever heard. His names Ojibiwa, and he combines Motown and Jazz influences over the DnB. It's amazing. There's also amazing genres of Industrial by Blazaebla, minimal by N. Khotari, plus hundreds of hidden gems that have never gotten global coverage but are still a huge part of the culture... Stop trying to think that you know what Detroit should sound like. There's a lot more to the city than one type of sound. Thats what makes it Detroit. Pigeonholing it into one sound doesn't represent the city accurately. From: dbooker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 19/04/2006 17:14 To: 'fab.'; 'Thomas D. Cox, Jr.'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up Thank you Tom! -Original Message- From: fab. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:35 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up that is one of the most stupid things i have read on this list fab. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? youd be suprised at how much that idea is railed against in forums like detroitluv or even this one, apparently. i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. tom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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On 4/19/06, Svagr, Jodie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shows how apparent it is that you grew up listening to only one aspect of the Detroit culture and that you very possibly have a limited knowledge of the full scope of Detroits music scene. I know of at least one Detroit DnB producer that is better than any London DnB I've ever heard. His names Ojibiwa, and he combines Motown and Jazz influences over the DnB. It's amazing. im sure its the greatest thing since sliced bread. i think they should just have a jungle festival instead since thats what detroit's culture is all about. tom
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On Wed. 19 Apr 2006 at 2:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be all about reuniting Bananarama for a closer. Yeah! And then they get joined on-stage by unannounced guests New Order as they back Siobhan Fahey on her version of She's Lost Control. And then Kylie comes out and they all do Can't Get You Out Of My Blue Monday Head. Hey, a man can dream, can't he? :) - Greg **
