(313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
LOL! You don't have to read it mate! Chill. There are bigger problems in this world aren't there? :) -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:40 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
Delete it then Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2008 12:40 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
The way gmail formats threads, though, one has to go through and delete each message individually. If people would follow *a simple and long-standing rule of netiquette* things would work more smoothly for everyone. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Delete it then Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2008 12:40 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
It's a matter of educating people about the rules of netiquette, mate. Also, I'm pretty chill. I wasn't SHOUTING was I? On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! You don't have to read it mate! Chill. There are bigger problems in this world aren't there? :) -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:40 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
I delete each mail individually too and it's no bother - anyway, who's to say when the sunject has changed enough to retitle? What if it changes back to the subject? Best to not mess with it. Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2008 13:04 To: Robert Taylor Cc: Odeluga, Ken; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) The way gmail formats threads, though, one has to go through and delete each message individually. If people would follow *a simple and long-standing rule of netiquette* things would work more smoothly for everyone. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Delete it then Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2008 12:40 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
F*** netiquette - what a sh!t word Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 September 2008 13:06 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) It's a matter of educating people about the rules of netiquette, mate. Also, I'm pretty chill. I wasn't SHOUTING was I? On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! You don't have to read it mate! Chill. There are bigger problems in this world aren't there? :) -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:40 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures
RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
Whatever. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:06 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) It's a matter of educating people about the rules of netiquette, mate. Also, I'm pretty chill. I wasn't SHOUTING was I? On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! You don't have to read it mate! Chill. There are bigger problems in this world aren't there? :) -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:40 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
You know what else is good netiquette? Not quoting the entire thread in every reply. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. -- matt kane's brain techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisusa.com aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg
(313) Was Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
C'mon guys just drop it. We get it. Move on. = Southern Outpost http://www.southernoutpost.com Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin Infiltrating your sound systems = On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know what else is good netiquette? Not quoting the entire thread in every reply. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. -- matt kane's brain techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com http://wzbc.org capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisusa.com aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg
Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview)
Bigger problems in the world than 'netiquette'?! Gedouttahere! - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: RE: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) LOL! You don't have to read it mate! Chill. There are bigger problems in this world aren't there? :) -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:40 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) I disagree. I don't have any interest in reading about podcast laws and regulations. The original post was about a specific detroit related thing that I wanted to keep track of for later, but now i have to read a new email that has nothing to do with the op every time somebody replies. A subject change would easily fix this, and it's just good netiquette. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal really - it's still related to the event, which was in itself pretty unusual, as the post below points out. -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) new zealand's podcast laws (was Re: Fw: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview) people on this list need to learn how to change the subject lines accordingly when the original intent of the post is lost. On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:55 AM, pauley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BBC do exactly the same thing for podcasts of previously recorded radio shows. A podcast is a download, not listened to live, it's not a performance licence that's required by Radio NZ. UR needs to be able to collect for the use of their material from the listener, from the downloader. And as RNZ aren't in the business of selling music, and UR aren't giving it away, all they can do is make available for downlaod the material that they own the copyright to, which is the chat, not the music. I think it's it's amazing he was interviewed at all by the state broadcaster...I can't see BBC1 giving him 30 minutes during any given day. essentially it's the listener who needs to This proves once again how NZ takes America's most trumped-up regulations and makes them worse. I know there are geeks in the house who will enjoy Peter Gutmann's classic story about NZ regulation in the 1990s of digital munitions, otherwise known as cryptographic keys, or, my life as a Kiwi arms courier. http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/courier.html http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/wass99.html fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy Mitchell Subject: Re: (313) Mad Mike interview Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:20:16 +1200 (NZST) They won't let you waiver - music is music to mcps/prs etc and they do close people down for it. This is a New Zealand site remember, so it's controlled by local organisation RIANZ not any American organisation. I'm guessing their fees are equally prohibitive though, because *no-one* offers podcasts or even streaming archived shows here unless they consist purely of talk. So I did some snooping and the local situation is this (turned out it was an organisation called Phonographic Performances New Zealand who control broadcast licenses here): PPNZ does not have an existing assignment to blanket licence podcasts at the present time. Any broadcaster seeking to make available music on demand is required to seek the permission of the individual copyright owners concerned. So it's more or less impossible to archive music radio online from here!Madness... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
