[313] Interesting Indeed
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Looks like D. May is in the lead by a long-shot. That was a good move, but I'm surprised that the name was actually up for grabs in December... Must've been one of those loose ends that large corporations sometimes miss. Maybe Carl will be back on the commitee soon??? Shwew! wipes sweat off of brow TJ The future was yesterday... www.mp313.com ~~go here PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed
At 8:29 AM -0500 3/11/2002, Rob Theakston wrote: http://www.detnews.com/2002/entertainment/0203/08/a01-435700.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] heh ... the real question is after years of this kind of BS, will the name be worth anything? :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 8:29 AM -0500 3/11/2002, Rob Theakston wrote: http://www.detnews.com/2002/entertainment/0203/08/a01-435700.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] heh ... the real question is after years of this kind of BS, will the name be worth anything? Someone here who has any idea why he did this? You don't have to have a Phd. to know that this will piss off certain peopl at PCM and ends with a expensive law-suite. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Jongsma, K.J. wrote: At 8:29 AM -0500 3/11/2002, Rob Theakston wrote: http://www.detnews.com/2002/entertainment/0203/08/a01-435700.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] heh ... the real question is after years of this kind of BS, will the name be worth anything? Someone here who has any idea why he did this? You don't have to have a Phd. to know that this will piss off certain peopl at PCM and ends with a expensive law-suite. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you read the full article? The reason is clear enough whether true or false. May allegedly did it to prevent the sale of the festival to a foreign entity. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 10:27 AM -0500 3/11/02, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: Did you read the full article? The reason is clear enough whether true or false. May allegedly did it to prevent the sale of the festival to a foreign entity. And clearly, where most are concerned, Carol Marvin counts as a foreign entity. (laugh track, please) -m. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, marc christensen wrote: At 10:27 AM -0500 3/11/02, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: Did you read the full article? The reason is clear enough whether true or false. May allegedly did it to prevent the sale of the festival to a foreign entity. And clearly, where most are concerned, Carol Marvin counts as a foreign entity. (laugh track, please) -m. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
Festival History / 1980-2001 http://www.detroitjazzfest.com/ Takes place during the labor day WE. The Detroit Jazz Fest was conceived as an effective means to combat the challenges facing the city in the late 1970s. Its creators believed that this world-class cultural event would bring both people and positive media attention to downtown Detroit, which was suffering from dwindling populations, businesses and visitors. From its birth in 1980, the festival attracted hundreds of artists and hundreds of thousands of visitors to Hart Plaza, Detroit's beautiful riverfront park, each year. The combined effect of the outstanding programming, great family activities, unsurpassed educational offerings and exceptional setting resulted in an international reputation for excellence. In 1994 this legacy and all it meant to the area was endangered when its founder, Detroit Renaissance, refocused on its core mission of economic development. Special events like the jazz festival would no longer be a part of the southeast Michigan community life unless other organizations adopted them. Detroit's Renaissance president, Robert E. McCabe (also known as the Godfather of Detroit Jazz), approached Music Hall Center for the Performing Arts, a non-profit historical theatre in downtown Detroit, urging them to take on this massive, but rewarding project. The artistic tradition and significance to the community motivated the trustees to add the festival to Music Hall's annual line-up of theatre, dance, music, family and comedy presentations. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED],'313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:18:30 -0500 hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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point well taken. the name does make a difference to a small extent. although i think the difference might be, the jazz fest is something that grew the demf was beyond huge its first year. set up the turntables and they will come. call it derrcik may's detroit techno how-down. it doesn't matter too much. anyways, the point i was really getting at was that derrick owning the name doesn't give him any control over who or what happens at hart plaza every memorial day from now until its still a FREE and PUBLIC festival, put on by the city of DETROIT. On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, marc christensen wrote: Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest
at once, this kind of both misses the original point (about the loss of the montreaux name) and displays the difficulty of finding accurate info (especially on self-serving internet sites). the piece of info below sounds like it was written by a Detroit Renasissance emplyee, simperingly gushing over the magnamity of his boss, rather than waxing poetic over Gillespie or Miles or even Brubeck. Not coincidentally, I don't believe that Gillespie or Miles or Brubeck ever played ath the Detroit Jazz Fest. They all played at Montreaux. Same place, same weekend, different years. Which the detroitjazzfest site surprisingly doesn't mention. At all. Shame, shame, shame. You'd think it was run by a Carol Marvin history-bending leech, instead of the well-adjusted corporate hack McCabe. ah well. -marc At 4:28 PM + 3/11/02, xx xx wrote: Festival History / 1980-2001 http://www.detroitjazzfest.com/ Takes place during the labor day WE. The Detroit Jazz Fest was conceived as an effective means to combat the challenges facing the city in the late 1970s. Its creators believed that this world-class cultural event would bring both people and positive media attention to downtown Detroit, which was suffering from dwindling populations, businesses and visitors. From its birth in 1980, the festival attracted hundreds of artists and hundreds of thousands of visitors to Hart Plaza, Detroit's beautiful riverfront park, each year. The combined effect of the outstanding programming, great family activities, unsurpassed educational offerings and exceptional setting resulted in an international reputation for excellence. In 1994 this legacy and all it meant to the area was endangered when its founder, Detroit Renaissance, refocused on its core mission of economic development. Special events like the jazz festival would no longer be a part of the southeast Michigan community life unless other organizations adopted them. Detroit's Renaissance president, Robert E. McCabe (also known as the Godfather of Detroit Jazz), approached Music Hall Center for the Performing Arts, a non-profit historical theatre in downtown Detroit, urging them to take on this massive, but rewarding project. The artistic tradition and significance to the community motivated the trustees to add the festival to Music Hall's annual line-up of theatre, dance, music, family and comedy presentations. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED],'313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:18:30 -0500 hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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If you are involve in Jazz you know it's Montreux, not Montreaux. And Montreux is the name of this famous city in switzerland where the Montreux Jazz festival takes place every year since 1967, runs by Claude Nobs, ex AR at Warner. Makes sense to me that they removed the name Montreux for the Jazz festival in Detroit. From: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:39:30 -0800 at once, this kind of both misses the original point (about the loss of the montreaux name) and displays the difficulty of finding accurate info (especially on self-serving internet sites). the piece of info below sounds like it was written by a Detroit Renasissance emplyee, simperingly gushing over the magnamity of his boss, rather than waxing poetic over Gillespie or Miles or even Brubeck. Not coincidentally, I don't believe that Gillespie or Miles or Brubeck ever played ath the Detroit Jazz Fest. They all played at Montreaux. Same place, same weekend, different years. Which the detroitjazzfest site surprisingly doesn't mention. At all. Shame, shame, shame. You'd think it was run by a Carol Marvin history-bending leech, instead of the well-adjusted corporate hack McCabe. ah well. -marc At 4:28 PM + 3/11/02, xx xx wrote: Festival History / 1980-2001 http://www.detroitjazzfest.com/ Takes place during the labor day WE. The Detroit Jazz Fest was conceived as an effective means to combat the challenges facing the city in the late 1970s. Its creators believed that this world-class cultural event would bring both people and positive media attention to downtown Detroit, which was suffering from dwindling populations, businesses and visitors. From its birth in 1980, the festival attracted hundreds of artists and hundreds of thousands of visitors to Hart Plaza, Detroit's beautiful riverfront park, each year. The combined effect of the outstanding programming, great family activities, unsurpassed educational offerings and exceptional setting resulted in an international reputation for excellence. In 1994 this legacy and all it meant to the area was endangered when its founder, Detroit Renaissance, refocused on its core mission of economic development. Special events like the jazz festival would no longer be a part of the southeast Michigan community life unless other organizations adopted them. Detroit's Renaissance president, Robert E. McCabe (also known as the Godfather of Detroit Jazz), approached Music Hall Center for the Performing Arts, a non-profit historical theatre in downtown Detroit, urging them to take on this massive, but rewarding project. The artistic tradition and significance to the community motivated the trustees to add the festival to Music Hall's annual line-up of theatre, dance, music, family and comedy presentations. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED],Jongsma, K.J. [EMAIL PROTECTED],'313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:18:30 -0500 hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival
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The Montreaux Detroit Jazz Festival, I believe, is now called the Ford Detroit Jazz Festival. I went to the meeting for last years festival and it made me want to puke. Ford sponsorship was one of the main topics of the meeting, because the money givin to the jazz fest, compared to the demf, was no where near the same. I guess you can't sell Ford focuses to a jazz crowd. They had a t.v. special for the jazz fest last year and actually stopped the music while broadcasting, so the CEO of Ford could come on stage and promote there cars. This was around the time everybody was getting killed in their suv's, because of firestone tires. (I puke, again) I can honestly say that the jazz festival may not even happen in the years to come. Thanks Ford. If the Howdown had the draw that the demf does, there would be some points we could all count on: 1. Ford releases a new car called the Rodeo(smells like a steak and drives like a mechanical bull) 2. The Ceo of Ford would be walking around in a ten gallon hat 3. The festival would be called the FORD Detroit howdown 4. The festival would fold, because the sponsors would eventually move on to the next money maker. All I can be thankfull for is that I was able to perform at Montreux(when it was still montreux) and I was able to perform at the demf(when it was still the demf). ja hey when IS that jazz festival? I saw dizzy gillespy (sp?) there when I was a kid and would like to go back for some live jazz :) -Joe Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. and, BTW, let's not forget that teh way the freep article was written, May gets only six or seven words to give his framework for the suit. and any six or seven words that end and begin with the possibilty of the DEMF being bought by a foreign concern are gonna sound like the rantings of someone who's a little paranoid, or just into getting promotion. until you remember what happened to that other festival. you know. whatever its name is now -- i can't remember. cheers, -marc At 10:42 AM -0500 3/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name is rather inconsequential. the city of detroit owns hart plaza the city of detroit fronts the money for the festival (it is later paid back by the sponsors) the city will decide who gets the contract next year. this strikes me as a publicity stunt. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmmm... For one, I hate media and politics- they like to make a big deal out of BS. I hear people bitch about the leech Carol Marvin all the time, but she has a committee of well-respected Detroit artists working for her now, and it is my understanding that she is good to work with. Why would any one be working with her if they didn't like her to some extent? Second, if anyone should take over the name, what about Carl Craig? It was his idea in the first place. I was surprised to read the poll in which 82% thought Derrick May should take the name. What right does he have to take it? In reality, without Pop Culture Media, there would be no (financially capable) DEMF. Did you read the full article? The reason is clear enough whether true or false. May allegedly did it to prevent the sale of the festival to a foreign entity. If you read the full article, you would have noticed that the PCM president denied any rumor of selling it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ps. http://data.detnews.com/feedback/surveyletters.hbs?subject=Techno_tiff From: Catherine Eberhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Interesting Indeed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:09:58 -0500 Hmmm... For one, I hate media and politics- they like to make a big deal out of BS. I hear people bitch about the leech Carol Marvin all the time, but she has a committee of well-respected Detroit artists working for her now, and it is my understanding that she is good to work with. Why would any one be working with her if they didn't like her to some extent? Second, if anyone should take over the name, what about Carl Craig? It was his idea in the first place. I was surprised to read the poll in which 82% thought Derrick May should take the name. What right does he have to take it? In reality, without Pop Culture Media, there would be no (financially capable) DEMF. Did you read the full article? The reason is clear enough whether true or false. May allegedly did it to prevent the sale of the festival to a foreign entity. If you read the full article, you would have noticed that the PCM president denied any rumor of selling it. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, marc christensen wrote: Indeed, though *most* of what you've said is correct, the first point -- that the name is inconsequential -- is the only one under real question. let's not forget that the other big 3-day festival (jazz, you know, during whichever one of those labor day/memorial day weekends isn't in may and is in september, right?) built an *enormous* international reputation, and generated almost as much foreign tourism to detroit, and almost as many festival attendees, as the DEMF did in its first year. The Montreaux Detroit Jazz Festival. Used to be that I would even miss my own professional conference for it. The best jazz festival in north america by my estimation. Perfect comparison. and what is that festival called now? i can't remember anymore, now that it's not montreaux. i mean, i'm serious -- no one knows what the name is. but ask anyone connected to detroit's rather limited tourism industry (with the exception of the boileau dude, right?) and they'll tell you that the lack of the name hurt international tourism for the jazz fest. at least for the first two years. The Ford International Jazz Festival is the new name i THINK. And what is interesting with this festival is that FOR THE MOST PART it has maintained its integrity. No Kenny G. highliners...all straight ahead jazz or old school fusion. But this may be because jazz has a longer history than techno...and more people who are very very aware of what jazz is. If someone bought out the DEMF would this happen? Could be...but one argument is that it would be easier to transform the DEMF into some sort of festival that the heads wouldn't recognize, with techno's version of Kenny G. being the highliner. peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, xx xx wrote: If you are involve in Jazz you know it's Montreux, not Montreaux. Or if you're an excellent speller. I won the spelling bee in 7th grade but this was a bit ago. ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually, Ms. Marvin's 'in' with the city in getting the DEMF approved, was due in a great part for her 'marketing' skills in obtaining media and corporate sponsorships for the Montreux Detroit Jazz Festival. Perhaps this is a cycle?...just a suggestion ;) I agree that it is a shame how the jazzfest is now represented and believe that Derrick is perhaps trying to prevent the same from happening to us. The difference between the jazzfest and the DEMF would appear to be that there are a multitude of small independent businesses and labels that have kept electronic dance music from Detroit alive in the global environment and playing field and indeed made the DEMF a viable consideration in the first place. As long as we are not representing ourselves in any more than a creative capacity with the DEMF and not in the hardcore business aspect of itit is my contention that they will attempt to marginalize, market segment, brand, slice and dice it up any way they can (most likely...distastefully) to make a profit. I believe there WAS ALWAYS a happy medium in balancing the corporate $$ and marketing of this music to mutual success---with everybody winning---I'm just not sure whether one single person should be in charge of making those decisions for an entire community. Glad that Carol has a selection committee of our peers this year. She should, however, further engage a committee of the same types to approve business plans in a like democratic manner to keep us actively involved. This has always been my premise and concern. Carol should remain at the helm, as she 'actualized' this festival--more or less. But without engaging any of us in the business and marketing of the festival, disrespect will always loom ahead and be INHERENT from our simple lack of input/presence. I think perhaps this is what Derrick is correct in standing up for. The 'DEMF' name is far more representative of a community than it is a product to be bought and sold. Moreover, if Ms. Marvin was on her p's and q's the name would've already been registered. -humbly offered You'd think it was run by a Carol Marvin history-bending leech, instead of the well-adjusted corporate hack McCabe. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This is exactly correct, how it should be, but how can we go about doing this? As for me, I am clueless when it comes to altering corporate business into a democratic manner. There are alternate ways to go about doing this, besides what Derrick May is doing. laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/11/02 14:58 PM She should, however, further engage a committee of the same types to approve business plans in a like democratic manner to keep us actively involved. This has always been my premise and concern. Carol should remain at the helm, as she 'actualized' this festival--more or less. But without engaging any of us in the business and marketing of the festival, disrespect will always loom ahead and be INHERENT from our simple lack of input/presence. _ Join the worldÆs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Moreover, if Ms. Marvin was on her p's and q's the name would've already been registered. I guess I gave her too much credit, because registering the name would have been one of the first steps she should have taken, if your taking care of business properly... ~E - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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so could one copyright the acronym DEMF insteam of detroit electronic music festival or would the lawyers shred that in court? totally off topic, -Joe - Original Message - From: Erin Bate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@HYPERREAL.ORG Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [313] Interesting Indeed/ DetroitJazzFest Moreover, if Ms. Marvin was on her p's and q's the name would've already been registered. I guess I gave her too much credit, because registering the name would have been one of the first steps she should have taken, if your taking care of business properly... ~E - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
