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H'm oh!really ?interesting... I've supported them for a while now, but never get the chance to receive pre release material from them, and I have HARD times to find their releases other here. Later I second this, people who receive material MUST post info and/or comments Later BTW : where is Mercenary ??? show up man! From: JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:26:11 -0500 How come certain trends on 313 are so easy to follow while others are just ignored, why I ask this is because I know that there are more people on this list that get packages from Submerge or stumbled on certain pre-released material but it is hardly ever discussed. I think one person shared their views on the new V-Max and zero shared anything on the new KMS. What's up, I think it is our duty and responsibility to discuss this material!!! Why do you think we get advanced copies? So that we can spread the word and prepare and let people know that, hey this stuff is gonna be out soon and you know what it is pretty dope, and you know what else you should go out and pick yourself up a copy or hound down your local record shop cause we need to support the UNDERGROUND, what's up folks? Is it me or is there something wrong here? j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com Home of Detroit Influence Reflections Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Well, Javier...I can kida shed a bit of light on this. As I do agree with you on the whole discussion of pre-released material, there was a slight debate about a year ago on here concerning people boasting about the white labels that they obtain from wherever and such. And after that debate went down, I never really heard too much about the discussion of white labels and such. Another point... for some of us, its rather hard to be unbiased. Look at it this way, I cant really justify going off about a new Ectomorph record, because im somewhat affiliated with Star 67. Same thing with Dale Lawrence not really being the one to bring up the Electro Deluxe record on Plus 8. Or, Bill VanLoo showing excitement over the Designer Music Vol 2. Now, I realize all 3 of these are out now, but Im just thinking of recent situations where maybe some of these listees had a hard time with holding back from bringing it up in here. Now, as for people who get records because they work at a magazine or something, thats a different story. These people should DEFINANTLY make their voices heard. I dunno, just bringing up a point hat may have been overlooked. *shrugg* derek. From: JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:26:11 -0500 How come certain trends on 313 are so easy to follow while others are just ignored, why I ask this is because I know that there are more people on this list that get packages from Submerge or stumbled on certain pre-released material but it is hardly ever discussed. I think one person shared their views on the new V-Max and zero shared anything on the new KMS. What's up, I think it is our duty and responsibility to discuss this material!!! Why do you think we get advanced copies? So that we can spread the word and prepare and let people know that, hey this stuff is gonna be out soon and you know what it is pretty dope, and you know what else you should go out and pick yourself up a copy or hound down your local record shop cause we need to support the UNDERGROUND, what's up folks? Is it me or is there something wrong here? j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com
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Derek wrote: Now, as for people who get records because they work at a magazine or something, thats a different story. These people should DEFINANTLY make their voices heard. I totally agree. Now just give me God's phone number and I'll aks him to make every day twice as long and He also should abolish the human need to sleep and relax. I'm 1m83 and weigh 54kilo's. Just a little bit more work and stress and I'll be able to take off in a gust of wind! All of this to say that I very much would like to do reviews on the (few) records I receive, but I simply don't have the time for it. Some of the guys on the list are full-time journalists for music magazines and that's a different story. For me it's a hobby (and 'no' I'm not in it for the money, I don't care). I usually come home from work around 8pm. By the time I have finished eating and checking my mail it's already pretty late. It's quite frustrating this time problem. Does anybody have similar experiences? Oh, BTW, this Axis 20, is it already available in Europe (Belgium)? John P.S. How the hell do you manage to get packages from Submerge? That would be a dream come true! From: JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:26:11 -0500 How come certain trends on 313 are so easy to follow while others are just ignored, why I ask this is because I know that there are more people on this list that get packages from Submerge or stumbled on certain pre-released material but it is hardly ever discussed. I think one person shared their views on the new V-Max and zero shared anything on the new KMS. What's up, I think it is our duty and responsibility to discuss this material!!! Why do you think we get advanced copies? So that we can spread the word and prepare and let people know that, hey this stuff is gonna be out soon and you know what it is pretty dope, and you know what else you should go out and pick yourself up a copy or hound down your local record shop cause we need to support the UNDERGROUND, what's up folks? Is it me or is there something wrong here? j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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All of this to say that I very much would like to do reviews on the (few) records I receive, but I simply don't have the time for it. Some of the guys on the list are full-time journalists for music magazines and that's a different story. Not sure about that, Johno. I'm a full-time journo (not to mention a parent and school governor) and I still have to work some nights as well to get everything done. There's loads of writing I would like to do - for free mags and sites, plus stuff I'd like to try and get stuff into newspapers etc - but there just ain't enough hours in the day. Also, a lot of what I receive is non-313 techno/electronic music and I'm wary of clogging this list with comments about off-topic material. That all said, the point made is a good one I will endeavour to post comments on 313-related promos I receive more in future. TOM MF P.S. How the hell do you manage to get packages from Submerge? That would be a dream come true! I got an unsolicited package from Submerge once, containing three records (one was Chaos Dot Dot Dash on Metroplex, can't remember the others offhand). I wrote about them in Magic Feet, sent ol' Mike a copy as ever. Then, nothing. Ever again. Damn.
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Please don't take this topic the wrong way, not everyone that supports someone is going to get pre-released material, but those who do need to inform people, why because not everyone hangs out the clubs not everyone gets to listen to the big or descent underground people play. I for one am not into the club scene, I have not been to an event in 4 years. I got tired of the environment, so I would rather listen to the dope beats in my home, in my car or at work. There used to be a pretty heavy pre-release update on 313 and many other lists, but for sometime now all of that has disappeared. I happen to come across certain material here and there but I do not get everything, and whatever I do get I forward it to people who push the records. I collect CD's not vinyl, but whatever vinyl I do get I forward to the local DJ's that are pushing the sound. But before anything I make sure that people are made aware of these releases by every means possible. One day in talking to Larry Heard, I asked him about something pertaining to the Chicago House scene and he said that in the beginning people would go to the clubs and check out the new records being played and then people would run to their local record shop and buy the material, this is how he got into spinning. Anyway the important point that he made was that in the very beginning DJ's were very enthusiastic about letting people know what they were playing. After a while DJ's got greedy, and guess what happened, they started covering the labels of the records because they did not want other DJ's to steal their sound, mind you that these are big names we are talking about here. So you know what happened next, take a guess, this behavior had a major impact on the record business, and the local record shops because people got greedy and everyone got screwed, so much for educating the masses, huh. So the moral of the story his stop hiding your white labels and promos and insight on new material, if you really believe in this music, then do everything in your power to spread the vibes. That is all I was trying to point out. Not who is getting what material, cause that is not what it's about. and another point be careful of the media if you don't know who owns what and what underlies certain records being pushed so much on a commercial and supposed underground (Hidden Commercial Companies. There is allot of money at play here, as Mike Banks put it, MUSIC FOR THOSE WHO KNOW.Think About it, investigate and see for yourself, (Not you in particular, this message is for everyone, especially the New Jacks) j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com Original Message Follows From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:06:12 GMT H'm oh!really ?interesting... I've supported them for a while now, but never get the chance to receive pre release material from them, and I have HARD times to find their releases other here. Later I second this, people who receive material MUST post info and/or comments Later BTW : where is Mercenary ??? show up man! From: JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:26:11 -0500 How come certain trends on 313 are so easy to follow while others are just ignored, why I ask this is because I know that there are more people on this list that get packages from Submerge or stumbled on certain pre-released material but it is hardly ever discussed. I think one person shared their views on the new V-Max and zero shared anything on the new KMS. What's up, I think it is our duty and responsibility to discuss this material!!! Why do you think we get advanced copies? So that we can spread the word and prepare and let people know that, hey this stuff is gonna be out soon and you know what it is pretty dope, and you know what else you should go out and pick yourself up a copy or hound down your local record shop cause we need to support the UNDERGROUND, what's up folks? Is it me or is there something wrong here? j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com Home of Detroit Influence Reflections Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http
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AND as far as getting pre releases...you just have to some how get on to the label's press/pr list. most labels have a list of mags and agents they send pre releases/white labels too. sometimes that list is full and they'll say no, but if you can PROVE you should be on that list, they you can get on it. the hard part is just calling every label and getting your name on there and giving the same speech over and over.NOW everybody dont go doin that to get free records and spoilin it for ppl. d From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:50:03 +0200 Derek wrote: Now, as for people who get records because they work at a magazine or something, thats a different story. These people should DEFINANTLY make their voices heard. I totally agree. Now just give me God's phone number and I'll aks him to make every day twice as long and He also should abolish the human need to sleep and relax. I'm 1m83 and weigh 54kilo's. Just a little bit more work and stress and I'll be able to take off in a gust of wind! All of this to say that I very much would like to do reviews on the (few) records I receive, but I simply don't have the time for it. Some of the guys on the list are full-time journalists for music magazines and that's a different story. For me it's a hobby (and 'no' I'm not in it for the money, I don't care). I usually come home from work around 8pm. By the time I have finished eating and checking my mail it's already pretty late. It's quite frustrating this time problem. Does anybody have similar experiences? Oh, BTW, this Axis 20, is it already available in Europe (Belgium)? John P.S. How the hell do you manage to get packages from Submerge? That would be a dream come true! From: JavierDrada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:26:11 -0500 How come certain trends on 313 are so easy to follow while others are just ignored, why I ask this is because I know that there are more people on this list that get packages from Submerge or stumbled on certain pre-released material but it is hardly ever discussed. I think one person shared their views on the new V-Max and zero shared anything on the new KMS. What's up, I think it is our duty and responsibility to discuss this material!!! Why do you think we get advanced copies? So that we can spread the word and prepare and let people know that, hey this stuff is gonna be out soon and you know what it is pretty dope, and you know what else you should go out and pick yourself up a copy or hound down your local record shop cause we need to support the UNDERGROUND, what's up folks? Is it me or is there something wrong here? j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Hi Diana, I hear you sister! Getting reviews published is hell esp. when you're only writing them as part of your hobby. The staff writers always go first. So if you do ten reviews, about two get in. And, oh yes, I know the syndrome of people promising you promo's and never sending them. Even after sending the published interview you did with them and reviews on their releases you bought in the store, they still don't care. I hate that. Why don't they just say 'Sorry, I don't have any more promotional copies to spare'. I would never be mad for that, but now you just keep on running to the mailbox hoping that there will be some cool stuff in there. If we were in this for the money or profit we would have long given up right? Keep writing! John ugh.reviews.when i decided to concentrate on school (novel idea eh?)and work 2 jobs, i went to just writing reviews for on-lines.ive been reviewing strictly now for about 2 years for 2 of em. i would say my one big complaint for reviews is getting the material from the people and then finding a place to post it. whenever i see people i always say 'send me your record,so i can review and get it out there' and maybe only a few do send it to me (after taking my info) and once i do get it, i then have to have shop it around and find a place/mag for it to be posted because 1.the editor has to feel someone cares enough to read the review 2.some one else might already be reviewing it. I also always listen to the full piece of material (i dont assume the whole cd sounds like track one,so i dont stop there),which takes time.For me, writing reviews is also like putting your head freely on the chopping block and giving the public the ax. Though i always try and be positive, some sort of informed critism is always needed-which i hate doing-and will always piss some one off. so...now that ive done that semi-off topic tangent,any support lists for music journos? ;0) diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The fact of the matter is that no one is really making any money, Let's talk about the Underground for a minute, The Artist, the labels, the journalist not one of them makes a dime compared to the big Corporate Headz that found a new market and and exploited the crap out of it. I hope you are aware that there are many so called Underground Labels and magazines that are not Underground, they are owned by big corporate Labels, they control the main market and brainwash people to believe a load of crap, they tie in good artist to screwed up contracts and exploit, EXPLOIT, EXPLOIT!! and some of us ignorant fools who love the music but have no idea about what is going on underneath, are buying into all of their BS Wake Up and break free Rememeber Ken Ishi, poor victim.Corporate Sony Do you think his stuff is still as good as it used to be, cause I don't, remember Juan Atkins, that RS release, thats not Juan, why? Corporate stole the soul. The fact is there is NO money in music journalism, j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Brother hang in there, there is purpose and hope and willI have been doing this for 11 years, few people know my name, let alone my face, I always kept it incognito, I do it for what I believe in and the respect from the artist and DJ's is more than enough pay for me. The memories and feelings can never be replaced by the $$. j.d. Original Message Follows From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] Re: [ur-records] Question??? Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 04:27:21 +0900 The fact of the matter is that no one is really making any money, Let's talk about the Underground for a minute, The Artist, the labels, the journalist not one of them makes a dime compared to the big Corporate Headz that found a new market and and exploited the crap out of it. I hope you are aware that there are many so called Underground Labels and magazines that are not Underground, they are owned by big corporate Labels, they control the main market and brainwash people to believe a load of crap, they tie in good artist to screwed up contracts and exploit, EXPLOIT, EXPLOIT!! and some of us ignorant fools who love the music but have no idea about what is going on underneath, are buying into all of their BS Wake Up and break free I think we come from the same place. I have been doing this for five years and believe me I know what goes on but put it this way, a DJ or producer who breaks through will find respect, even if he gets riped off. But who respects journalists? Not even the best ones get respect!! Magazines in Australia are not like those in the UK, the market is smaller and there is less money for publishers. Cheers Cyclone Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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The fact is there is NO money in music journalism, j.d. id have to agree here too. Though, there is a way to make money off of journalism...but not enough to fully live on a decent scale unless you are senior editor or something of higher stature..and even then its not a glamorous life. The mags that pay are often very tongue and cheek and BIG and SHINY and are worried about kissing the ass of the 15 minute wonder. I have to give credit however to Hobey Ecklin for bringing some sort of knowledge to Mixer America. I read some articles in some of these bigger magazines and its just sugar and gloss, Hobey at least points to where its due. ive looked into starting my own publication many times just because ive gotten sick of waiting for editors...but alot of money is needed to do so, its something that has to build over time a dream of mine that will probably never really become real fruit. Though its in a coma right now, Massive Magazine-its rise and departure to coma status-is a really good look at how a magazine went from the copier machine and staples to glossy cover and still kept its integrity (beers,gun,trashy women and all)despite money difficulties. Matt Bonde would be a good commentator here (though hes stepped down as lead editor now). there are journalists whose material ive read and it seems they are in it because its a paying gig and they get to be cool. I remember reading an interview with stacey pullen and i actually think thats when i became disgusted with glossy mags-this one in particular. BUT there are the editors that are keeping it all in good check, like Hobey and writers like Dan, in the glossies. i digress a bit here though because writers gotta eat too, and though it seems like some are doing the sell out track in article form-we're doing the best with what we have to work with while meeting alot of ppl's needs-including the editor's, the artist,the label and ours (ours coming last). Lastly i will say over the last five or six years I have probably dished out much much much more for research material (records/phone calls),film and travel expenses for reviews and articles than i have made off of articles (includes CDs,records and entrance fee), but i NEVER have had a moment of regret, its all paid off in the end. choi bellas diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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Re: The fact of the matter is that no one is really making any money, Let's talk about the Underground for a minute, The Artist, the labels, the journalist not one of them makes a dime compared to the big Corporate Headz that found a new market and and exploited the crap out of it. The fact is there is NO money in music journalism, I write for an online magazine, I'm strictly volunteer. I make NO money doing this. Not a single penny. I just love music and want the people to hear the music I hear. Most of the time I have to go out and buy the records/CDs myself which gets rather expensive. And since I'm the only writer on staff that is concerned about underground dance music (it's primarily a indie-pop site) I have to do all the hussling to get anything to come my way. It's hard hard work and week after week I burn out completely. There's time I don't even want to look at a computer or try to think of new ways to say 'deep', 'hard', or 'soulful'. If you want to go to www.toastmag.com and check out Circuit Breaker and support the journos out there busting their butts for the music they love. Fred I hope you are aware that there are many so called Underground Labels and magazines that are not Underground, they are owned by big corporate Labels, they control the main market and brainwash people to believe a load of crap, they tie in good artist to screwed up contracts and exploit, EXPLOIT, EXPLOIT!! and some of us ignorant fools who love the music but have no idea about what is going on underneath, are buying into all of their BS Wake Up and break free Rememeber Ken Ishi, poor victim.Corporate Sony Do you think his stuff is still as good as it used to be, cause I don't, remember Juan Atkins, that RS release, thats not Juan, why? Corporate stole the soul. The fact is there is NO money in music journalism, j.d. http://www.undergroundcommittee.com 504.837.4783 tel 504.553.5628 tel 504.553.5627 fax Keepin' it real, keepin' it UNDERGROUND..Underground Committee.com Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
