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In a message dated 3/16/00 8:41:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << damn 2 mailing lists now with threads about name spelling..well this isn't as bad as the other...derek may from canada and derrick may from detroit heh go figure >> How about "Ritchie" Hawtin ? a.
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In a message dated 03/16/2000 9:28:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Okay, now who's messing around with names?... ;) .John. >> damn 2 mailing lists now with threads about name spelling..well this isn't as bad as the other...derek may from canada and derrick may from detroit heh go figure
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> > I'm Dave Clark. Spell his damn name with > > an 'e' like it's meant to be spelled. > > Once n for all, i'm not english, and I don't own bush. Okay, now who's messing around with names?... ;) .John. (who never wants to be known as "The Bushman" or "Bushy-tale" ever again...) (and no George W. jokes either, smart guys!)
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On 16 Mar 00, at 14:32, bart wolff wrote: > >Or Dave Clarke > > You mean d.d.d.d.d.d.d.d.d.d.d.d.dave clark :) I'm Dave Clark. Spell his damn name with an 'e' like it's meant to be spelled. Once n for all, i'm not english, and I don't own bush. :-) Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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Or Dave Clarke You mean d.d.d.d.d.d.d.d.d.d.d.d.dave clark :) B - Out __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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>Fuck art, let's dance. >Fuck dance, let's art. > >Take your pick, or have both (my preference). It's fascinating that this discussion is taking place just as Jeff Mills' gig here in Perth has been confirmed for April to take place in the State Art Gallery! So yeah Bill, we'll have both, literally ;-) Respect JasonB np: Curtis Mayfield - Give Me Your Love
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I would say we should push the boundaries as far as the boundaries will go >Maybe Jeff >>Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the >>likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about >>making so called experimental tunes when he should be >>knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we >>keep 'pushing the boundaries'? > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - Renegade Rhythms email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exploring the Inner Dimensions of Sound http://www.RenegadeRhythms.com Next Live Real Audio Broadcast: Wed March 8, 2000 --
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> And another thing - once you're famous, does that mean you don't have to > create danceable music anymore? It means you don't have to create danceable music if you don't want to. Witness Richie Hawtin - the Concept series and "Consumed", specifically. After years and years of being successful making people dance, he decided he wanted to try something different, and did so. Would have have been as successful in getting those records heard if he hadn't spent years making dance music? No. Was it his right as an artist to do those records? Of course. Carl Craig is another great example - after years of making *some* danceable stuff (Paperclip People, 69, etc), he decided to try something different, and did Innerzone Orchestra. Would that record have been as successful if Carl hadn't already been established? No. Would it still have been great music for an admittedly different audience? Yes. We don't own the artists whose work we enjoy; they have no responsibilities to us. It's "consumer beware". If "party kids" were dissapointed when they saw Carl perform as Paperclip People, perhaps they should have understood that he's not a one-dimensional guy before purchasing their ticket. A listen to his catalog besides just "Throw" or "The Floor" would have established that. I'm not trying to flame or preach, by the way, and I apologize if I come across that way. I just get irritated by the overwhelmingly closed mindset of so many in the "dance music" scene. Fuck art, let's dance. Fuck dance, let's art. Take your pick, or have both (my preference). Bill / dj marathon -- AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com now available:http://techno.ca/cognition/show598.htm always on:http://www.chromedecay.org
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In a message dated 3/9/00 2:40:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Saying Detroit is finished with techno makes no sense to me. SORRY I asked you to elaborate...it seems like a pretty big generalization and I think Jaguar is a great release for Rolando with many more to come from the city of Detroit by people like Dan Bell, Ritchie Hawtin, Anthony Shakir, The Planet-E crew, the Transmat Crew, Wild Planet...the list goes on and they have all been producing good music. >> I think what Alan is getting at is that the Detroit techno scene has stagnated, nobody is innovating anymore and there hasn't been a release in the past five years that stands up that well to the classic stuff done a long time ago, and also that most of the pre-eminent Detroit producers and musicians have moved past the early pure techno sound to a more hybridized thing (see Innerzone Orchestra, Model 500, etc.) You are right in your assertion that people are still making old school techno music in Detroit, but I think Alan is equally right in his that it is just more of the same. And compare current Transmat releases to old ones, compare Wild Planet, Shake, Hawtin, any modern Octave One or 430 West, etc. to Strings of Life, Night Drive, I Believe, Neurotic Behavior, any Red Planet or Galaxy 2 Galaxy, Minimal Nation, Just Another Chance, etc. It's not that people aren't making good music these days but it seems the music hasn't advanced like it did back when. I don't want to slight current producers, but I suppose I am. Also I would venture a guess that Alan notices the difference in quality and innovation much more than the rest of us, who were not fortunate enough to be intimately involved in the early days of the Detroit electronic revolution. I can only comment based on the records I hear, but people like Alan can comment based on the general vibe of the city and the musicians as well. Matt
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In a message dated 3/9/00 8:35:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, DJT1000 writes: << Sean, THANK YOU. Nice to to see somebody's got good common sense. Minimaltek, read this; I'm noticing points have to made with you several times before they sink in. >> Maybe I just disagree with you. Saying Detroit is finished with techno makes no sense to me. SORRY I asked you to elaborate...it seems like a pretty big generalization and I think Jaguar is a great release for Rolando with many more to come from the city of Detroit by people like Dan Bell, Ritchie Hawtin, Anthony Shakir, The Planet-E crew, the Transmat Crew, Wild Planet...the list goes on and they have all been producing good music. Alan, your opinions are your opinions if you just want to throw stuff on the list and insult people for asking you to go further with your ideas and clarify, be my guest---but interaction and conversation seems like a better platform. Unless you can't back your statements up...
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I have to agree. If you put enough pretty colors on a monster flyer. you could throw a giant 10,000 head techno only party (as long as you have one room full of ferngully 303 preset hell and kick drums over pop synth riff remixes), while trying to do a techno based format for big people clubs has been an utter pain in the ass. We lost our space for our club out here for bullshit reasons and had to cancel a show we had planned with Bone and T-1000 (our former night is now an esdjco overly typical suck ass disco house night). The most unfortunate thing about it all is that no one really wants to lose the money it cost to fly and house one of our detroit heros out here to play for 200 kids and lose your ass. The only draws that'll get you more than 1000 heads are May and Ritchie go figure. I've contemplated going the route of LA and get some corporate sponsors and throw a giant show with Mills but, the sad and hideous state of affairs would be that no one would show up unless I booked Dickweed and Terry Mullan (or other $4000+ Rave circuit players) to get anyone to show up. It sucks that the only way to hear the music you love is to be the jackass who loses his rent money. Fuck it I've moving to Australia. On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:04:35 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > < techno, although at the same time I do hope that techno DJs continue to > infiltrate the rave scene and bring their own sounds to those who will > listen--which is exactly why I play parties.>> > > The rave scene is what's keeping techno alive in the US, strangely enough. I > hardly ever get booked at clubs. All the clubs want to hear is commercial > Oakenfold bullshit or Eiffel 65 eurotrash pop (aside from Motor and Science > of course *wink*). The funny thing about these candy kids is that they *say* > they don't like techno until you light their asses up and rock some shit, > then they're all over you..."what kind of music is that ???" Then you leave > the room and they're right back on that happy hardcore cartoon shit...weird. > > Just my 02. > > a. ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 3/8/00 6:06:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > << Detroit is completely finished making good techno aside from "Jaguar". > >> > Would you care to explain?? Techno in detroit seems as alive as ever and by > no means finished.. It very much depends what you mean by "techno". I agree with Alan, most good techno is coming from elsewhere these days. I find myself playing more and more European stuff out, which was definitely never the case before. Having said that, there are still great records coming out of Detroit; its just that aside from "Jaguar" they're not "Techno" as such. KDJ, TP, etc are all still putting out great house records, there's some great electro, or high tech funk or whatever coming from UR and the Planet E output is all superb, but increasingly less dancefloor based. So, to throw it back, what good "techno" records have come out of Detroit in the last 12 months aside from Jaguar? Sean.
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Hello. On 8 Mar 00, at 21:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > now. Detroit is completely finished making good techno aside from > "Jaguar". ??? What's with this blanket statement? Do you really believe this? Aren't you from Detroit, anyway? I immensely respect your work and the work of artists from elsewhere than detroit, but... this comment blows my mind! Even if this -is- your opinion (something I really find hard to believe), a lot of people on this list don't think so and that's why we're all here right? Dave __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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In a message dated 3/8/00 6:06:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Detroit is completely finished making good techno aside from "Jaguar". >> Would you care to explain?? Techno in detroit seems as alive as ever and by no means finished..
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I like the supercompressed European house/techno thing that's happening right now. hell yes.
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<> Oliver Ho, Christian Smith, G-Flame, Joel Mull (his b-sides), Marco Carola, Chris McCormack, The new Hardgroove double-pack, etc. I like the supercompressed European house/techno thing that's happening right now. Detroit is completely finished making good techno aside from "Jaguar". <> The rave scene is what's keeping techno alive in the US, strangely enough. I hardly ever get booked at clubs. All the clubs want to hear is commercial Oakenfold bullshit or Eiffel 65 eurotrash pop (aside from Motor and Science of course *wink*). The funny thing about these candy kids is that they *say* they don't like techno until you light their asses up and rock some shit, then they're all over you..."what kind of music is that ???" Then you leave the room and they're right back on that happy hardcore cartoon shit...weird. Just my 02. a.
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Before I get going, I'd like to ask for any recommendations on the best tribal techno records/producers out there right now, things that are deep, dark, and danceable... Also, any heads out there in the Lansing or Mt Pleasant area??? If so email me privately, I'm unfortunately stuck around here, at least during the week, for the next couple of months. Finally, a shameless promo, anyone who would like to hear mixes of my live PA on the web (with all live keyboard playing), I've got different mixes on two sites: http://www.mmmsound.com/CyborgK http://www.mp3.com/CyborgK Now, in response to Shane's post, I'd like to say a couple of things: 1. If the "partykids" weren't into Carl's set, it's a real shame, but basically as far as I'm concerned it really reflects on their own immaturity and prejudices. I saw that set from on stage and I consider myself very lucky to have witnessed that performance up close. It was BEAUTIFUL music, if the kids can't understand that, does that mean that artists should create music that is less beautiful, less spiritual, easier to digest, so as not to lose contact with the partykids? I don't think that would improve the situation for anybody! 2. I don't think that the "Rave Scene" is necessarily a great place for techno, although at the same time I do hope that techno DJs continue to infiltrate the rave scene and bring their own sounds to those who will listen--which is exactly why I play parties. There is definitely some great, danceable techno, but techno has had other sides to it than just the dance side, since the beginning. Even sticking with dance music, there is a tradition of parties (private loft parties and such) that aren't necessarily raves, just think about the origins of house and techno in Chicago and Detroit. Techno wasn't created to be "rave" music, it wasn't created for e-babies who think that happy hardcore is the best and get their vibe spoiled by techno cus it's too dark for them. I love Detroit techno cus it's dark, nasty, sexy, mean, and at the same time has a spiritual, mystical quality; it's a vision of being reborn in the midst of decay. You drive through downtown Detroit at night with some good techno going, and you can feel this. It's heaven and hell at the same time, it's all the bs of real life and the ghetto, but maybe something that transcends all this bs at the same time. Out of the ashes we will rise, we will rise again. ----Original Message Follows From: "Shane from PLURkids" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass??? Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:23:17 PST When Carl Craig performed Paperclip People live for me in December, there were WAY too few people who were into it - and the Paperclip People material is generally much more digestible to the average partykid than much of the music we're talking about here. Just looking for my own education, Shane PLURkids Productions Info 734.913.9672 www.plurkids.com _ ___ o __)) ))_ )) __ __ _ )) ((_( ((_ (( (| ((_) (( (( [EMAIL PROTECTED] Live PA mixes available at: http://www.mmmsound.com/CyborgK http://www.mp3.com/CyborgK __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Joseph Ross Lynn IV wrote: >This is about art. Not stardom. >Jeff Mills is an artist. >his vision is his vision, and the reason he is so well known and respected is >because his vision resonates so strongly with so many of us. I think he is >trying to be true to himself, not get his face on MTV. I see your point but I also see dj mixing as a sport. Jeff Mills is like the Michael Jorden of techno. Anyone think about putting a techno dj competition together so we can see who's the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world? Just for fun of course. I'm sure people like Dave Clarke, Ben Sims and T1000 could put up a good challenge. stephen.
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Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? Are you on crack? ...i posted a nice thoughtful little piece on this earlier. now i realize i could have just said the above. ;PP
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Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? Are you on crack? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Joseph Ross Lynn IV wrote: > > Dance music isn't important unless its pushing boundaries. Dance music isn't important unless it makes people dance. Otto
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On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:44:23 -0800 (PST), Nick Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think a lot of this experimental stuff is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do they get away with that? Does that mean that once you're famous you don't have to try anymore? And another thing - once you're famous, does that mean you don't have to create danceable music anymore? The groove matters, and if these producer/dj names that WE all respect and love are not in some way also endeared to the younger generation, how can we expect them not to lose their way? Granted, the "scene" isn't what it used to be, but then we all knew that would occur - and since mainstream acceptance in the states seems to be some way off yet, shouldn't these artists continue to stay in touch with underground/rave culture? (Uh oh, now I've said it...) When Carl Craig performed Paperclip People live for me in December, there were WAY too few people who were into it - and the Paperclip People material is generally much more digestible to the average partykid than much of the music we're talking about here. Just looking for my own education, Shane PLURkids Productions Info 734.913.9672 www.plurkids.com _ ___ o __)) ))_ )) __ __ _ )) ((_( ((_ (( (| ((_) (( (( __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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As I've said twice already, I'm not having a go at Jeff's production or any forward thinking producers. Any TRUE forward thinking producers that is. I'm sure everyone realises how techno has previously taken flak because it's apparently easy to produce and that any joe can have a go. I'm not against progression and I'm not against Mills. I don't think he's as good as ppl give him credit for though. This is the molehill that this volcanic mountain sprang from. Who the heck is Ben Sims anyway??? I forget now;) I agree with you in that the future of music relies on innovation and breaking boundaries. Though, I think that there is a point where music is no longer music and it just becomes an racket (damn, I sound like my dad!!!). It must be a progressive 'breaking of boundaries' with constant references to the past and present otherwise it is not recognised as 'music'. I'm sure music in 1000 years will sound a lot different than music today (if it still exists), but you can't just jump there now. It cannot be created in such a way. Dj Pacific:) --- Tom Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jeff Mills gets a lot of respect for his > production > > though I don't think it's all that great. Maybe > Jeff > > Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by > the > > likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing > about > > making so called experimental tunes when he should > be > > knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must > we > > keep 'pushing the boundaries'? > > If every composer thought like that, there would be > no progression in > music at all. Pushing the boundaries is essential, > and these 'so > called experimental tunes' are vital to stop a scene > stagnating. Sure, > experimenting just for the sake of being > unconventional doesn't always > result in good music, but breaking the rules is how > every important > musical genre was created. > > And why on earth 'should' Jeff be 'knocking > dancefloor tunes > together'? There's a million other producers out > there that keep the > market flooded with dancefloor techno (Ben Sims > included). It seems > like you're dissing Mills for failing to fit in to > the scene which has > sprung up as a result of people taking some of the > basic ideas of some > of his past production and copying them. They, and > you, may have > missed the point. People are preoccupied with > emulating the specific > sound of the music, instead of being inspired by the > attitude/state of > mind that created it... > > :::: tom churchill : > : headspace recordings : > : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : > ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: > ::: t: 07976 898514 > __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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> Jeff Mills gets a lot of respect for his production > though I don't think it's all that great. Maybe Jeff > Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the > likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about > making so called experimental tunes when he should be > knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we > keep 'pushing the boundaries'? If every composer thought like that, there would be no progression in music at all. Pushing the boundaries is essential, and these 'so called experimental tunes' are vital to stop a scene stagnating. Sure, experimenting just for the sake of being unconventional doesn't always result in good music, but breaking the rules is how every important musical genre was created. And why on earth 'should' Jeff be 'knocking dancefloor tunes together'? There's a million other producers out there that keep the market flooded with dancefloor techno (Ben Sims included). It seems like you're dissing Mills for failing to fit in to the scene which has sprung up as a result of people taking some of the basic ideas of some of his past production and copying them. They, and you, may have missed the point. People are preoccupied with emulating the specific sound of the music, instead of being inspired by the attitude/state of mind that created it... :::: tom churchill : : headspace recordings : : http://www.headspacerecordings.co.uk : ::: e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: ::: t: 07976 898514
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In a message dated 3/8/00 10:35:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >Or Dave Clarke or Claude Young. > >a. >(who doesn't have a hip-hop past) But can work out the doubles like a motherf•cker!! >> Awww, shucks, anybody can do that. It's so easy I don't even do it anymore. =) a. (www.puresonikrecords.net)
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I believe Jeff Mills is a true visionary. This man is a philosopher. Try reading some in-depth interviews with the man to (try to) understand what is going on in his head. About two years ago I read a super-long, super-in-depht interview with Jeff in Magic Feet. It only made me respect the man even more. Everybody has his/her feelings about music. Wouldn't it just suck really hard if everybody liked the same? John -Original Message- From: Joseph Ross Lynn IV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 4:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass??? This is about art. Not stardom. Jeff Mills is an artist. his vision is his vision, and the reason he is so well known and respected is because his vision resonates so strongly with so many of us. I think he is trying to be true to himself, not get his face on MTV. Art is about a new perspective. Art that serves its function shows us a way of looking at things that we hadn't known before, or sometimes it defines what could previously only be hinted at. It is still his vision, but maybe it jusn't mesh as well with yours. Or maybe (gasp!) you might have to put a little effort and attention into his art in order to try to understand. J. > > I wasn't having a go at Mills. His skill and ingenuity > has had a huge influence on techno and dance music as > a whole. What I'm saying is, plenty of ppl have access > to production equipment these days and the dj/producer > is becoming more and more common. Anyone, can be > innovative, but the truely innovative producers today > aren't the ppl that are getting the respect. Mills has > been a lot better in the past. > > Concerning pushing the boundaries forward, I s'pose > music is about the feel, not necessarily technical > skill. It's more about the ingenuity of it's creator. > A lot of reviewers give tunes respect e.g. because > they've used a full orchestra instead of sampled > strings and stuff... which is good, but it doesn't > always work. I think a lot of this experimental stuff > is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually > push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big > names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw > together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do > they get away with that? Does that mean that once > you're famous you don't have to try anymore? > > Dj Pacific:) > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > -- Knecht
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This is about art. Not stardom. Jeff Mills is an artist. his vision is his vision, and the reason he is so well known and respected is because his vision resonates so strongly with so many of us. I think he is trying to be true to himself, not get his face on MTV. Art is about a new perspective. Art that serves its function shows us a way of looking at things that we hadn't known before, or sometimes it defines what could previously only be hinted at. It is still his vision, but maybe it jusn't mesh as well with yours. Or maybe (gasp!) you might have to put a little effort and attention into his art in order to try to understand. J. > > I wasn't having a go at Mills. His skill and ingenuity > has had a huge influence on techno and dance music as > a whole. What I'm saying is, plenty of ppl have access > to production equipment these days and the dj/producer > is becoming more and more common. Anyone, can be > innovative, but the truely innovative producers today > aren't the ppl that are getting the respect. Mills has > been a lot better in the past. > > Concerning pushing the boundaries forward, I s'pose > music is about the feel, not necessarily technical > skill. It's more about the ingenuity of it's creator. > A lot of reviewers give tunes respect e.g. because > they've used a full orchestra instead of sampled > strings and stuff... which is good, but it doesn't > always work. I think a lot of this experimental stuff > is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually > push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big > names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw > together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do > they get away with that? Does that mean that once > you're famous you don't have to try anymore? > > Dj Pacific:) > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > -- Knecht
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--- Joseph Ross Lynn IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Jeff's too busy messing about > > > making so called experimental tunes when he > should be > > > knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must > we > > > keep 'pushing the boundaries'? > > Dance music isn't important unless its pushing > boundaries. > > J. > > > > > 'Til they fall down? > > > > Where do you get off telling Jeff Mills what he > "should" be doing? > > > > Bill / dj marathon > > -- > > AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / > http://www.appnet.com > > > > now available: > http://techno.ca/cognition/show598.htm > > always on:http://www.chromedecay.org > > > > > -- > Knecht I wasn't having a go at Mills. His skill and ingenuity has had a huge influence on techno and dance music as a whole. What I'm saying is, plenty of ppl have access to production equipment these days and the dj/producer is becoming more and more common. Anyone, can be innovative, but the truely innovative producers today aren't the ppl that are getting the respect. Mills has been a lot better in the past. Concerning pushing the boundaries forward, I s'pose music is about the feel, not necessarily technical skill. It's more about the ingenuity of it's creator. A lot of reviewers give tunes respect e.g. because they've used a full orchestra instead of sampled strings and stuff... which is good, but it doesn't always work. I think a lot of this experimental stuff is a load of parp. Few 'experimental' tunes actually push the boundaries forward. However, a lot of big names are getting respect for stuff that I could throw together... (I'm not so good by the way...:). How do they get away with that? Does that mean that once you're famous you don't have to try anymore? Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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Or Dave Clarke or Claude Young. a. (who doesn't have a hip-hop past) But can work out the doubles like a motherf•cker!! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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> > > Jeff's too busy messing about > > making so called experimental tunes when he should be > > knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we > > keep 'pushing the boundaries'? Dance music isn't important unless its pushing boundaries. J. > > 'Til they fall down? > > Where do you get off telling Jeff Mills what he "should" be doing? > > Bill / dj marathon > -- > AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com > > now available:http://techno.ca/cognition/show598.htm > always on:http://www.chromedecay.org > -- Knecht
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> Jeff's too busy messing about > making so called experimental tunes when he should be > knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we > keep 'pushing the boundaries'? 'Til they fall down? Where do you get off telling Jeff Mills what he "should" be doing? Bill / dj marathon -- AppNet MidWest Interactive [formerly Sigma6] / http://www.appnet.com now available:http://techno.ca/cognition/show598.htm always on:http://www.chromedecay.org
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 3/8/00 8:16:23 AM, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << > >Clearly his hiphop past is reflected in his > >mixing. I saw him do stuff I've > never seen a dj >do before. > > You've obviously never heard of/seen Terrence Parker > or Jeff Mills then! > >> > > Or Dave Clarke or Claude Young. > > a. > (who doesn't have a hip-hop past) I hear ya, but Ben Sims is a good producer too. Being a good dj AND a good producer is kinda rare but increasingly important if you want to be recognised. Jeff Mills gets a lot of respect for his production though I don't think it's all that great. Maybe Jeff Mills used to be good but I feel he's surpassed by the likes of Claude Young. Jeff's too busy messing about making so called experimental tunes when he should be knocking dancefloor tunes together. How far must we keep 'pushing the boundaries'? Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
In a message dated 3/8/00 8:16:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >Clearly his hiphop past is reflected in his >mixing. I saw him do stuff I've never seen a dj >do before. You've obviously never heard of/seen Terrence Parker or Jeff Mills then! >> Or Dave Clarke or Claude Young. a. (who doesn't have a hip-hop past)
RE: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass (???) Never heard of????
Answer for workz 'Scuze me?' Never seen Terrence Parker or Jeff Mills then? Never heard of them? I have seen Jeff Mills on numerous occasions starting in about 1993. He is still one of my heroes and yes he's great behind the decks and yet I saw Ben Sims do some stuff I've never seen Jeff do before. That's not a negative thing. I would really suck if every dj did the same tricks. Maybe you are that fanatical about Jeff and Terrence that you can't stand the fact that there's a new league of dj's coming up. How many times have you seen Ben Sims mix then? I hope we are not going the way of the cleaning products; I hate comparative tests between dj's. Everybody is entitled to have his/her own opinion and everybody has his/her heroes. People like Jeff Mills are considered gods by some, but they are as human as you and I and they also make mistakes. It's their right to do so! John P.S. I once interviewed Jeff Mills (1996), but I didn't know it was him. After all I have never heard of him... ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 2:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass??? >Clearly his hiphop past is reflected in his >mixing. I saw him do stuff I've never seen a dj >do before. You've obviously never heard of/seen Terrence Parker or Jeff Mills then! talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass???
>Clearly his hiphop past is reflected in his >mixing. I saw him do stuff I've >never seen a dj >do before. You've obviously never heard of/seen Terrence Parker or Jeff Mills then! talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com
Re: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass!
Amen to that! Ben's an outstanding DJ - a real breath of fresh air. I saw him play a few months back and it was very apparent to me that I'd never seen anyone with a style like his. As John points out, he's very hip-hop influenced in the mix, but he's pretty subtle with it too - definitely one to watch and whilst I agree with John about the 'tracky' techno comedown, Sims certainly knows what buttons to push on the dancefloor with his productions. Nick Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Ben Sims kicks ass! Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:19:42 +0100 I saw Ben Sims play this Friday at the Silo in Belgium. Keep your eye on this guy. He is really brilliant behind the decks. Clearly his hiphop past is reflected in his mixing. I saw him do stuff I've never seen a dj do before. Really cool. Although I'm coming down a bit from this hard looped techno this was still exciting. His productions are more than everage as well, to say the least of it. Oh, btw, he's working on a new album right now. It should be released through Tresor later this year. John __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
