Re: (313) Detroit 2007
These kind of pictures, reports, call it what you want is also a part of what we call 'bling bling' in 'gangsta' hip-hop. There is not any moment in this video where you'll see blood, peoples dying for real, it's all about what they show not what they really do. True hip-hop is totally out of this things, try to find a video clip of A Tribe Called Quest with guns... I'll pay you champagne. Then we'll listen some real old school hip-hop and have fun. On another side, I don't say it's all 'bling bling', Detroit is and will stay a 'hard city'. There is guns and peoples dying by use of them but where I live too, let me few hours and I can buy a Beretta or a Smith Wesson for 400/500 euros. In my opinion, guns and violence are everywhere, maybe overexposed in some cities where hip-hop is mediatised but this movie clip is no way hard to see, it's just near 'fun', it's easy to laugh/smile at some scenes. What is hard to see today is all these wars, seeing peoples dying over the world (Africa, Columbia, India, some parts of Russia), childrens in obligation to work since 5 or 6 years to survive, because authorities don't do anything to help them. Their guns are called dollars, euros, yens, ... The real killers of our world are not in the streets, they are behind a desktop manipulating laws and calling it justice. They drives also mercedes 500 but it's not crack and drugs paying them, it's us. Just my point. -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
Here is a movie clip of french hip-hop team 'IAM', it's far from their best productions in terms of sound and it's in french but the pictures are talking themselves and represent well what I'm trying to say in my previous reply. To see : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o34Y3vRnBRw Have a nice day ! -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
Boxed and bagged like a product, like most of these things, that's not a true picture of Detroit but the sad thing is, may will believe it to be. m On 11 Sep 2007, at 22:52, CJH wrote: WTF...to glorify violence like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=v0JsqTdfXWc
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
The main difference between this and that Detroit video is this does not glorify guns and violence. The images here are clearly anti war and hodge podge. There are plenty of people that try to use Detroit's reputation in the promotion of themselves...Even Mad Mike will do it...and he isn't a thug. I've got a video on myspace where he mildly pulls it. I bet if someone bought that D video in the end it just looks really sad how a the people of a city ended up like that. I watch this show on AE called The First 48, and all these thugs roll into the police station hard as nails, and by the time they are done being questioned they are crying like little babies. They don't realize how bad it is until they are in trouble for doing the same bad stuff. http://www.myspace.com/mistamuthafuka (in case you want to see the mad mike vid) jeff --- Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a movie clip of french hip-hop team 'IAM', it's far from their best productions in terms of sound and it's in french but the pictures are talking themselves and represent well what I'm trying to say in my previous reply. To see : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o34Y3vRnBRw Have a nice day ! -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
Yeah, it's from the Slices DVD , I play what he says in some of my radio shows. http://teknology.free.fr / look at the rss if you wish to download mixes. I think Mike is much more intelligent than any of these so called rappers. Mike, by his philosophy, actions, projects, way to do, have offered the prove that in place of taking guns and sell UR over the world, he have prefeared to read books (for example) and developp his own thinking to 'fight' (as said recently in another topic) and establish himself and his artists. On another side, these rappers, whatever their message are also musicians and a musician needs hours in the studio with complex equipment to record beats and sounds that can hit the top 50. So, those of them claiming being criminals are in definitive not so much good musicians since they spend much more time talking drugs/guns/sex/cars than making music. -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
RE: (313) Detroit 2007
I bet if someone bought that D video in the end it just looks really sad how a the people of a city ended up like that. I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that. No matter where you go here, there are those that, though they may not publicly glorify violence, they do think of it as a first or second option to solve disputes on any scale. I mean, I've seen a cheerleading coach get at it with a mom over some real simple ish and they were both intelligent, seemingly peaceful people before the altercation. That was just this week. In America this has been the way from the start though (ask the natives, wholesale slaughter gets it done). The issue I think is not the general acceptance of violence (heck, all of nature accepts it as a balancing force). I think it's as martin pointed out, the packaging and commoditization of violence as something to be sought after (if you want to be cool/hard/real/etc). War Stories are to todays pop culture what knowledge of self was to the golden era of hip-hop. A mistake? Probably not. Is there any way to reverse this from where we are now? I'm not really sure, but I'd love to hear some ideas. k
RE: (313) Detroit 2007
Good question, even if somewhat beyond the scope of this list. (I'd still like an answer too.) K -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 September 2007 15:22 To: Jeffrey Richards; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Detroit 2007 I bet if someone bought that D video in the end it just looks really sad how a the people of a city ended up like that. I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that. No matter where you go here, there are those that, though they may not publicly glorify violence, they do think of it as a first or second option to solve disputes on any scale. I mean, I've seen a cheerleading coach get at it with a mom over some real simple ish and they were both intelligent, seemingly peaceful people before the altercation. That was just this week. In America this has been the way from the start though (ask the natives, wholesale slaughter gets it done). The issue I think is not the general acceptance of violence (heck, all of nature accepts it as a balancing force). I think it's as martin pointed out, the packaging and commoditization of violence as something to be sought after (if you want to be cool/hard/real/etc). War Stories are to todays pop culture what knowledge of self was to the golden era of hip-hop. A mistake? Probably not. Is there any way to reverse this from where we are now? I'm not really sure, but I'd love to hear some ideas. k
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
For me, (commercial) Hip-Hop sold out for product endorsement and the man a long time ago. If they didn't work for the man they became the man. I've still never heard that 50 Cent album but like everyone else in the world I know he's been shot 9 times - for the life of me I can't figure out why people/artists would want to be known for the wrong thing, it only brings more trouble. It's like being the hard kid at school, everyone wants to have a pop at you. I also know that it's not as simply as that and I think any hopes of reversing out of this are lost, I'm not even sure what the dream is any more, a tacky house in Hollywood like you see on cribs? Like Shake said in his interview with Tom, these jokers put on their monkey suits, cause the sh1t and leave everyday people to deal with the aftermath. m On 13 Sep 2007, at 15:22, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: I bet if someone bought that D video in the end it just looks really sad how a the people of a city ended up like that. I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that. No matter where you go here, there are those that, though they may not publicly glorify violence, they do think of it as a first or second option to solve disputes on any scale. I mean, I've seen a cheerleading coach get at it with a mom over some real simple ish and they were both intelligent, seemingly peaceful people before the altercation. That was just this week. In America this has been the way from the start though (ask the natives, wholesale slaughter gets it done). The issue I think is not the general acceptance of violence (heck, all of nature accepts it as a balancing force). I think it's as martin pointed out, the packaging and commoditization of violence as something to be sought after (if you want to be cool/hard/real/etc). War Stories are to todays pop culture what knowledge of self was to the golden era of hip-hop. A mistake? Probably not. Is there any way to reverse this from where we are now? I'm not really sure, but I'd love to hear some ideas. k
RE: (313) Detroit 2007
Not just your country either - as usual we're rushing to do all that you do over there be it good or bad. -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 September 2007 15:22 I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
Sadly it's true. It seems to be younger and younger kids too. All the gang kids are 14/15 these days. Insanity. robin... On 13 Sep 2007, at 17:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just your country either - as usual we're rushing to do all that you do over there be it good or bad. -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 September 2007 15:22 I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that
RE: (313) Detroit 2007
Yeh my man from yard (Jamaica) says it's even more ridiculous down there now too. Kids with no fear of gun court just bustin to be raw. Shanking girls for their cellphones and the whole nine. I agree with martin though. When I think about it, I can't really see a way out aside from letting it run it's course. Like a virus. I still have faith in the youth though. There's still a good contingent out there that realize the danger and needlessness of that lifestyle and can clearly see that they're being led by the nose. The cool thing is, most kids have a problem with authority and the bigger and more predatory this industry becomes, the quicker you'll see that same teenaged angst turned against them... I hope. Gotta go listen to that microworld thing so I'll have something actually on topic to say. :) k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:57 PM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit 2007 Sadly it's true. It seems to be younger and younger kids too. All the gang kids are 14/15 these days. Insanity. robin... On 13 Sep 2007, at 17:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just your country either - as usual we're rushing to do all that you do over there be it good or bad. -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 September 2007 15:22 I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
Well...I find it quite easy to watch even though the topic is pretty tough. I am glad I grew up 60 miles to the north in Flint, but really the same stuff is going on there. This documentary seems to focus mostly on Detroit's underground Rap and Hip Hop stars as half the trailer is filled with them. East Side Chedda Boys and Al Nuke were the first ones I recognized. There are gunfights amongst Detroit rappers all the time. A couple of years before Proof shot that guy up, (and then got lit up himself) he got into it at Greektown Casino with Royce Da 5'9 with guns and all...Maybe a lot of problems could be solved if Detroit's scene came together instead of hating all the time. While this may be a documentary, a there seems to be a few dramatization scenes...which I am sure were put in place to shock its audience in to believing that the toughest thugs come from Detroit. You can watch a similar documentary from LA, Miami, Mexico City, and even Flint that would have all the same material with different names attached to it. Some of you overseas peeps may not understand the glorification of violence in the media, and I don't either...but it is something that is seen every day in the US no matter what the location. I think the Government needs to take steps to providing children in the US with outlets to channel creativity and energy to help keep them off the streets in Detroit and throughout all the major metropolitan areas in the country...the Boys and Girls club just isn't cutting it anymore. But most importantly, the these kids parents need to help their child move in the right direction. In general, I don't think the parenting in the last 25 years has been all that great, and that goes for all races. I didn't proofread this before sending it...hopfully it makes sense. Jeff --- diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The promo clip definitely isn't easy to watch. I wonder though ( to play devil's advocate) if the aim of the film makers is to glorify the violence, or tell the story of much of the population of Detroit.The scenes that look set up or the most difficult to see, but then again...are they supposed to be? I'd like to tie down some politicians and make them watch this. Then have them explain to me how they can decrease the education spending for Detroit. From what I understand, they aren't helping the situation...just making it worse. In the clip they do mention Project Life. They also give the perspective of women too.Many young girls DO turn to stripping because well...doesn't need to go explained. Just some thoughts on the matter... ya know, for the sake of discussion.;) d --- CJH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WTF...to glorify violence like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=v0JsqTdfXWc Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
The promo clip definitely isn't easy to watch. I wonder though ( to play devil's advocate) if the aim of the film makers is to glorify the violence, or tell the story of much of the population of Detroit.The scenes that look set up or the most difficult to see, but then again...are they supposed to be? I'd like to tie down some politicians and make them watch this. Then have them explain to me how they can decrease the education spending for Detroit. From what I understand, they aren't helping the situation...just making it worse. In the clip they do mention Project Life. They also give the perspective of women too.Many young girls DO turn to stripping because well...doesn't need to go explained. Just some thoughts on the matter... ya know, for the sake of discussion.;) d --- CJH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WTF...to glorify violence like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=v0JsqTdfXWc Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
