RE: (313) Re : (313) Frankie Bones
but most of them don't go this far out of their way to self-promote in a nearly-fictional manner. pounded that nail in all the way Tristan I know DJs always fluff themselves up with I've played beside so-and-so (like they're good buddies) but to make the claims that FB does - well, it's fabrication of the truth and it's the reason that Joey Beltram was offended by FB's statements of If it weren't for me Joey Beltram wouldn't have been signed to RS. MEK
Re: (313) Re : (313) Frankie Bones
It sounds like what you're saying is that it's ok for him to shoot his mouth and fabricate additional influences that aren't owed to him because of everything he *has* done. MEK seek [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.net To 313@hyperreal.org 03/04/06 08:25 AM cc Subject Re: (313) Re : (313) Frankie Bones - Original Message - From: Tristan Watkins I mean, how many people outside of the mid-Atlantic would actually go see him if he were playing in your city tonight? How many people still follow his music? I honestly don't know because he's never mattered to me in either sense, but I'm happy to take an interest if I've been missing out all this time. The music he's released since his heyday in the 80s isn't on par with that stuff, and again, it's dance tracks: for mixing, mostly: not 'home listening'. The point here isn't about what he's done lately, but what he has done versus what some here claimed he'd not done. It's easy to say, Frankie shoots his mouth off and fills his own balloon, because he has/does, but he has also done tons more for electronic dance music culture than those on this list that are shooting off their mouths slagging him, combined x1000. Word. seek
Re: (313) Re : (313) Frankie Bones, r.i.p.
- Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight You should be his publicist. Give it a rest. seek It sounds like what you're saying is that it's ok for him to shoot his mouth and fabricate additional influences that aren't owed to him because of everything he *has* done. MEK
Re: (313) Re : (313) Frankie Bones (fwd)
I sent this the other day, but I dont think it ever went through. If it did and youre getting this twice, I apologize. I edited out the swearing i think that was the problem. --- I have a Frankie Bones story. It was like 1997 or 1998. I was working at Record Time then. He played a rave in Detroit and I went and it was like every 3rd record was the bomb, and the other 2 were not my thing. He came into RT the next day, and I asked him about some conga loop record he had played. He told me what it was, but after he left I had forgotten about it. A year or 2 later, I was booked to open for him at Motor. So, I emailed Sonic Groove and ordered some records a couple days before hoping he could bring the records to the gig for me. When he showed up, he looked at me, and said cool. I thought that was you. He handed me the records I ordered, and another one. It was a bootleg that said Happy song and dance, which I was told was an edit someone did years ago of an old Rare Earth tune..? Anyhow, I asked what it was, and he said it's that conga loop record you asked about in the dance room a few years back. That ones on the house. Ive never been so excited by his DJing. And as a producer, Ive never heard him do anything that wasnt complete recyled or even just samples of hit techno records (DBX, Hawtin, Advent, etc.) with him adding... well, nothing. Ive never really liked much of the NuGroove stuff that Ive heard, anyways, so I cant speak for that. Aside from Dangerous on the Dancefloor, I havent liked any of his productions, or if I would even call them productions. But I thought him bringing that record for me, some kid who he only THOUGHT he had met a couple years beforehand, and then not even charging me for it... I thought that was pretty darn cool, and Ive never had a bad thing to say about him since. Not to mention, since then, before I moved to NYC he even came out to see me a couple times when I played. And he even danced! He might be a loudmoth and extremely opinionated, but he's got ALOT of heart and hes pure class in my book. My $.02 derek. On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like what you're saying is that it's ok for him to shoot his mouth and fabricate additional influences that aren't owed to him because of everything he *has* done. MEK seek [EMAIL PROTECTED] t.net To 313@hyperreal.org 03/04/06 08:25 AM cc Subject Re: (313) Re : (313) Frankie Bones - Original Message - From: Tristan Watkins I mean, how many people outside of the mid-Atlantic would actually go see him if he were playing in your city tonight? How many people still follow his music? I honestly don't know because he's never mattered to me in either sense, but I'm happy to take an interest if I've been missing out all this time. The music he's released since his heyday in the 80s isn't on par with that stuff, and again, it's dance tracks: for mixing, mostly: not 'home listening'. The point here isn't about what he's done lately, but what he has done versus what some here claimed he'd not done. It's easy to say, Frankie shoots his mouth off and fills his own balloon, because he has/does, but he has also done tons more for electronic dance music culture than those on this list that are shooting off their mouths slagging him, combined x1000. Word. seek
Re: (313) Frankie Bones
I encourage everyone to go to Bones' website and read his bio http://www.frankiebones.com/index1.htm It starts out - Frankie Bones, quite simply, the most influential artist in American electronic dance music history. It gets funnier from there. See how he claims to be one of NYC's first dance music remixers in the mid 1980s. Which, if you give that statement a bit of thought, doesn't mean anything. He also claims to be the first travelling international DJ by the late 1980s. LOL - he claims to have broken Derrick May (and a few others) to the world via his Storm raves. The roots of post disco dance music and DJ culture can be directly linked to this man yeah right MEK Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] sia.co.uk To 313@hyperreal.org 03/03/06 06:54 PM cc Subject Please respond to (313) Frankie Bones [EMAIL PROTECTED] sia.co.uk I remember when I moved to Baltimore, and then D.C. around the turn of the century, I was suddenly surrounded by people who knew and cared about Frankie Bones, whereas almost no one had done in the midwest when I lived there, at least that I was aware of. As far as I can tell Frankie Bones was an insular God pushing insular music. For whatever that's worth it deserves the respect it has gained, but probably is also partly responsible for leaving most of the mid-Atlantic in that Buzz-bound quagmire of crap midling dance music that it has suffered in larger venues for an eternity. Beyond that, he hasn't made much of a mark on the rest of the world in the last 10-15 years unless I've missed it. To sing his praises is like yelling about how Donald Glaude was one of the most important DJs in Seattle in the early-mid '90s. No one would bother outside of those relatively small communities unless there was a larger perception of them. It's useful to remember the local instigators of change but it's useless to attribute more than that to what they did. Frankie Bones is a regional hero and certainly goes out of his way to attribute more than that to himself. For as long as I can remember him I've wondered what the big deal is. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 03/03/2006
(313) Re : (313) Frankie Bones
I feel like the more I argue in favor of Frankie Bones the more I look like I wish I was the next room mate. But when you say Frankie Bones is a regional hero and certainly goes out of his way to attribute more than that to himself. Do you mean the region called the US and Europe? I mean what it says on his website is rather funny, but look at any Dj's website/promo/Booking stats, and everyone has something over exxagerated, it's dance music for crying out loud. It's not a surgeon faking his resume. I think the Bones remarks, that is what he makes, are exxagerated, I believe I spelled that wrong, but I don't understand this regional hero bit. I come from the Midwest as well, and clearly you and I were going to different parties, as I saw him many times there, and in Canada. Wasn't he at Even Further? Any techno dj's from techno to hardcore all knew his name, and had respect for what he was doing. Like alot of Dj's in his time. And when I was going to parties in France, Spain, Portugal, and so on he was there, and people knew his name. I sound like the PR rep for damage control at Bones Central, but I could give a rats ass. It's just so ignorant of a thing to say, that you got me talking at 5 am. Good night. Steve
Re: (313) Frankie Bones
- Original Message - From: Tristan Watkins Beyond that, he hasn't made much of a mark on the rest of the world in the last 10-15 years unless I've missed it. To sing his praises is like yelling about how Donald Glaude was one of the most important DJs in Seattle in the early-mid '90s. No one would bother outside of those relatively small communities unless there was a larger perception of them. It's useful to remember the local instigators of change but it's useless to attribute more than that to what they did. Frankie Bones is a regional hero and certainly goes out of his way to attribute more than that to himself. For as long as I can remember him I've wondered what the big deal is. Frankie isn't a god, and his site definitely fluffs up his resume, but he certainly was an important figure in dance music in the 80s, well *before* raves. He made great tracks and remixes with Tommy Musto, and his own tracks - eg. the Bonesbreaks series - were in the crates of every dj worth their salt. And that's in the mid/late 80s, and not 'techno' tracks, either. He wasn't the most inventive music maker, but he lovingly wore his influences and inspirations on his sleeve, so to speak, and he made dance music for dance music djs: for mixing, not for 'home listening': for nightclub dancing (there weren't 'raves' yet, not at the time). Frankie's pushed the limits: he owned a record store, a label, his rights; he promoted huge parties, keeping the ball rolling in the dark daze of the early 90s. He dj-ed parties large and small: he was an ambassador for electronic dance music, and he *did* spin all around the US and Europe. Donald's a playboy, and content with being a 'star'. Nice guy, good dj, but not fair to compare with Frankie. Frankie's way more than just a dj and his importance to electronic dance music and dance music culture is far more widespread than than of Donald Glaude's, who is a decent, albeit flashy dj and a helluva nice guy. There's a scene in a tape from a dance music video series from 91/92 with some B'lyn kids at rave (can't recall the name of the vid series), talking about how if not for Frankie Bones' techno music and the Stormraves scene, they'd be jerks and bullies but because of his music, they'd learned be chill, and to enjoy dance music. And to dance. seek
RE: (313) Re : (313) Frankie Bones
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 March 2006 04:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re : (313) Frankie Bones I think the Bones remarks, that is what he makes, are exxagerated, I believe I spelled that wrong, but I don't understand this regional hero bit. I come from the Midwest as well, and clearly you and I were going to different parties, as I saw him many times there, and in Canada. Wasn't he at Even Further? Any techno dj's from techno to hardcore all knew his name, and had respect for what he was doing. Like alot of Dj's in his time. And when I was going to parties in France, Spain, Portugal, and so on he was there, and people knew his name. I sound like the PR rep for damage control at Bones Central, but I could give a rats ass. It's just so ignorant of a thing to say, that you got me talking at 5 am. Good night. OK. I definitely overshot the mark, and indeed, I must've 'missed it' when I said he hadn't made much of a mark on the rest of the world in the last 10-15 years (I don't recall ever seeing him play in the midwest, but then I never really travelled for my raving needs much). In fact, I think Frankie Vega probably played more in Iowa than Frankie Bones, but whatever, that's Iowa and not representative of the rest of the world, I know. So... Hands up. I was talking out of my arse. But I should clarify what I meant with the Frankie Bones is a regional hero and certainly goes out of his way to attribute more than that to himself comment. Frankie Bones is an absolute legend in New York like Donald Glaude is in Seattle or Scott Henry is in D.C., but beyond that his production and DJing have never mattered to me. I've just never seen what the big deal is. What I saw of him @ DEMF was not my thing. I've never been interested enough in his music to spend time checking all of his stuff out, but that's a normal response when you're not interested in what you have heard. He's just failed to make a mark on my world at every point I've encountered his mixing or production. I'm perfectly willing to grant that his regional importance is what it is. I know about how important the Storm raves were, how much he mattered to the early NYC techno scene and I know how important Sonic Groove was. I just fail to see that he's worth my time in any other way. There are plenty of touring DJs that I don't care about (like Donald Glaude and Scott Henry), but most of them don't go this far out of their way to self-promote in a nearly-fictional manner. If you only knew what he's written you would think he was quite simply, the most influential artist in American electronic dance music history, as Michael has already quoted. I respect what he's done for what it is but that's it as far as I'm concerned. He just doesn't interest me as an artist. I mean, how many people outside of the mid-Atlantic would actually go see him if he were playing in your city tonight? How many people still follow his music? I honestly don't know because he's never mattered to me in either sense, but I'm happy to take an interest if I've been missing out all this time. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 03/03/2006
RE: (313) Frankie Bones
-Original Message- From: seek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 March 2006 12:20 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Frankie Bones Frankie isn't a god, and his site definitely fluffs up his resume, but he certainly was an important figure in dance music in the 80s, well *before* raves. He made great tracks and remixes with Tommy Musto, and his own tracks - eg. the Bonesbreaks series - were in the crates of every dj worth their salt. And that's in the mid/late 80s, and not 'techno' tracks, either. I'm aware of some of that stuff but so far at least it's not been my thing. Fair enough if it was important at the time but it's never made an impression on me. Frankie's pushed the limits: he owned a record store, a label, his rights; he promoted huge parties, keeping the ball rolling in the dark daze of the early 90s. He dj-ed parties large and small: he was an ambassador for electronic dance music, and he *did* spin all around the US and Europe. Donald's a playboy, and content with being a 'star'. Nice guy, good dj, but not fair to compare with Frankie. Frankie's way more than just a dj and his importance to electronic dance music and dance music culture is far more widespread than than of Donald Glaude's, who is a decent, albeit flashy dj and a helluva nice guy. There's a scene in a tape from a dance music video series from 91/92 with some B'lyn kids at rave (can't recall the name of the vid series), talking about how if not for Frankie Bones' techno music and the Stormraves scene, they'd be jerks and bullies but because of his music, they'd learned be chill, and to enjoy dance music. And to dance. Perhaps Scott Henry is a better comparrison than Donald Glaude, and I'm not trying to say that Frankie Bones hasn't done more than both Scott Henry and Donald Glaude put together, but if you talk to people in D.C. they will say the same things about Scott Henry. I know you hadn't seen my last message when yours came through, and I take everything you're saying on board. I'm not trying to hate for no reason, I just don't see why he should matter to me as an artist. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.2/274 - Release Date: 03/03/2006
Re: (313) Frankie Bones
From my perspective as a young kid on the late 80s, early 90s rave scene in the UK. Frankie Bones was very much a name we respected and always looked out for. I admit his music hasnt exactly aged well, but tracks like his bones breaks stuff, the loony tunes stuff he did with Lenny Dee, your house is my house and stuff like that were definatly tunes we all owned and DJed with a lot. He put out a lot of stuff back then and when I first heard him DJ at a club called Sterns in 1990 he drew a very big crowd. So, just saying he certainly made an impact over in the UK back then.
Re: (313) Re : (313) Frankie Bones
- Original Message - From: Tristan Watkins I mean, how many people outside of the mid-Atlantic would actually go see him if he were playing in your city tonight? How many people still follow his music? I honestly don't know because he's never mattered to me in either sense, but I'm happy to take an interest if I've been missing out all this time. The music he's released since his heyday in the 80s isn't on par with that stuff, and again, it's dance tracks: for mixing, mostly: not 'home listening'. The point here isn't about what he's done lately, but what he has done versus what some here claimed he'd not done. It's easy to say, Frankie shoots his mouth off and fills his own balloon, because he has/does, but he has also done tons more for electronic dance music culture than those on this list that are shooting off their mouths slagging him, combined x1000. Word. seek
Re: (313) Frankie Bones' thugs in harmony
- Original Message - From: Tristan Watkins -Original Message- From: seek He made great tracks and remixes with Tommy Musto, and his own tracks - eg. the Bonesbreaks series - were in the crates of every dj worth their salt. And that's in the mid/late 80s, and not 'techno' tracks, either. I'm aware of some of that stuff but so far at least it's not been my thing. Fair enough if it was important at the time but it's never made an impression on me. The impression that it's made on you, you maybe unware of, but it's there. One doesn't get here without climbing the ladder he helped build: all electronic dance music is building upon, acting, reacting on what's gone before; the Bonesbreaks stuff's seminal: as stated, those 12s were in most djs' crates: staple mixers. Perhaps Scott Henry is a better comparrison than Donald Glaude, and I'm not trying to say that Frankie Bones hasn't done more than both Scott Henry and Donald Glaude put together, but if you talk to people in D.C. they will say the same things about Scott Henry. I know you hadn't seen my last message when yours came through, and I take everything you're saying on board. I'm not trying to hate for no reason, I just don't see why he should matter to me as an artist. At this point in Frankie's music making career, he probably shouldn't matter to you. If you want to really know dance music history and the history of the culture, you'll serve yourself well to know what's really up; if you're a versatile dj and interested in your roots, crate a few of the first Bonesbreaks. No one from DC's pumping Scott Henry here (yet), though I agree, he's a much better comparison than is Donald, given Scott's entrepreneurial endeavors and production work, as well as regional proximity to Frankie. seek
