RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
On Fri, 30 May 2003 23:25:25 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: actually- read somewhere that mills only owns about 3000 records, a pathetic amount compared to most djs, professional or even amature. and good bad or otherwise, you certainlky can't claim that mills plays new music. Why is it pathetic? Some people heavily recycle their collections, rather they are tools and not collections, as with collections, one would generally keep. People like to have new records and don't have a thing for old ones and so forth. Does the amount of records one owns have a correlation to the quality of performance that DJ could give? You could also argue that he has the cream and none of the sh*t. I know that in my time of buying 'techno' and 'house' or dance music records, that I've sold about 0.25% of my records because the sound is 'tired' or I just didn't like it. -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net
Re: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
You could also argue that he has the cream and none of the sh*t. I know that in my time of buying 'techno' and 'house' or dance music records, that I've sold about 0.25% of my records because the sound is 'tired' or I just didn't like it. SO..on an assumption you have 3000 records (like jeff millls) you have sold 7 and a half records
Re: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
haha... don't be silly I'm sure in his lifetime he's had access to or owned 10's of thousands of records. Let's see no one could track id. the first part of the John Peel session and Jeff Mills has had numerous releases so far this year on various labels. 313 list members really cant criticize his DJ skills 9from listening to mixes posted here) then again that would explain the lack of understanding of loop based techno (it's too same sounding duh) on 5/30/03 10:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually- read somewhere that mills only owns about 3000 records, a pathetic amount compared to most djs, professional or even amature. and good bad or otherwise, you certainlky can't claim that mills plays new music.
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
This is pretty unjustified if not downright stupid by virtue of being patently untrue. k -Original Message- From: Jim Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) I made a post about mills and hawtin letting us down. Since then I have gotten 14 private emails from people who totally agree. Don¹t worry people you can agree in public, Jeff Mills wont shoot you through your email. :0 On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;)
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
What is untrue? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:58 AM To: Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) This is pretty unjustified if not downright stupid by virtue of being patently untrue. k -Original Message- From: Jim Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) I made a post about mills and hawtin letting us down. Since then I have gotten 14 private emails from people who totally agree. Don¹t worry people you can agree in public, Jeff Mills wont shoot you through your email. :0 On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;) # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
That he's got 30 records. And the suggestion that he doesn't buy records. I could care less (or in the uk, I *couldn't* care less) abt how good or bad his set was (he's good when I've seen him, maybe u guy weren't so lucky) but at least let's talk sense! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:31 AM To: Odeluga, Ken; Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) What is untrue? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:58 AM To: Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) This is pretty unjustified if not downright stupid by virtue of being patently untrue. k -Original Message- From: Jim Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) I made a post about mills and hawtin letting us down. Since then I have gotten 14 private emails from people who totally agree. Don¹t worry people you can agree in public, Jeff Mills wont shoot you through your email. :0 On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;) ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
I don't think it was suggested that he only has 30 records but that he only plays about 30 records - this is obviously untrue but I can see why Jim said it - he does have a repertoire of standards that are constantly in his box, more so than any other DJ. As I said yesterday, you are almost guaranteed to hear Step To Enchantment, The Bells, Strings Of Life, Alarms etc etc in every Mills set - the crux of this is whether you think this is a good thing or not. IMO they are all good records so fair play to him for playing them, though he has failed to inspire on occasion in previous years because it was getting a tad predictable - he has seemed to have redeemed himself recently by surprising us with snippets of disco, house and non-Detroit techno amongst his u sual fare. No-one ever criticised Frank Sinatra for singing the same old standards over and over again cos that's what people wanted to hear, and it is the same with Mills to a certain degree - people still whoop and cheer whenever The Bells is played, so why should he stop playing those old chestnuts? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 9:34 AM To: Robert Taylor; Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) That he's got 30 records. And the suggestion that he doesn't buy records. I could care less (or in the uk, I *couldn't* care less) abt how good or bad his set was (he's good when I've seen him, maybe u guy weren't so lucky) but at least let's talk sense! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:31 AM To: Odeluga, Ken; Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) What is untrue? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:58 AM To: Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) This is pretty unjustified if not downright stupid by virtue of being patently untrue. k -Original Message- From: Jim Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) I made a post about mills and hawtin letting us down. Since then I have gotten 14 private emails from people who totally agree. Don¹t worry people you can agree in public, Jeff Mills wont shoot you through your email. :0 On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;) ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ## # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
I agree, if a record is good why stop playing it. I get more annoyed with DJs who only play the latest records (and there's a lot of them), even if there hasn't been any really good records coming out at that time. Good record is a good record no meter how old is it or how often you hear it. Jernej www.soundoflj.com/octex -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30. maj 2003 12:49 To: Odeluga, Ken; Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) I don't think it was suggested that he only has 30 records but that he only plays about 30 records - this is obviously untrue but I can see why Jim said it - he does have a repertoire of standards that are constantly in his box, more so than any other DJ. As I said yesterday, you are almost guaranteed to hear Step To Enchantment, The Bells, Strings Of Life, Alarms etc etc in every Mills set - the crux of this is whether you think this is a good thing or not. IMO they are all good records so fair play to him for playing them, though he has failed to inspire on occasion in previous years because it was getting a tad predictable - he has seemed to have redeemed himself recently by surprising us with snippets of disco, house and non-Detroit techno amongst his u sual fare. No-one ever criticised Frank Sinatra for singing the same old standards over and over again cos that's what people wanted to hear, and it is the same with Mills to a certain degree - people still whoop and cheer whenever The Bells is played, so why should he stop playing those old chestnuts?
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
Listen to his set on Homelands, think it's great, fast, banging at the beginning but still funky with allot of energy! Thanks to Robin for posting it! In my eyes he is still in my top 3 of all time favorite dj's! People have heard dj's spin fantastic and always will remember that specific great set and if another set is not that great than it is suddenly a bad and predictable dj, I think that is not fair! It's not always the dj you know, also the state a person is in or the venue, the sunshine or the rain at some festival or just that special vibe that some parties have and some don't.. Just remember the good stuff and just enjoy your evening out, you may be surprised.. And if you don't, well there will be some other time, they are human Remco
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
Remco People have heard dj's spin fantastic and always will remember that specific great set and if another set is not that great than it is suddenly a bad and predictable dj, I think that is not fair! It's not always the dj you know, also the state a person is in or the venue, the sunshine or the rain at some festival or just that special vibe that some parties have and some don't.. Just remember the good stuff and just enjoy your evening out, you may be surprised.. And if you don't, well there will be some other time, they are human So refreshing - non-petulant, non-carping, reasonable comment! k
Re: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
I am getting pissed of to a bout people complaining know about mills, everybody on this list alway wanted to hear him do Wizzard set, so Mills plays a Wizzard set, for free, in front of thousands of people mixing like a true wizzard, at one point i saw him mixing in *2* records! He mixed so fast, well yeah then sometimes you get a bit of a trainwreck! Who cares if you can do what he does please show it to us and then start bitching about it! And about not seeing him in record stores, well that is just a really childish remark isn't it... On vrijdag, mei 30, 2003, at 05:34 America/Detroit, Odeluga, Ken wrote: That he's got 30 records. And the suggestion that he doesn't buy records. I could care less (or in the uk, I *couldn't* care less) abt how good or bad his set was (he's good when I've seen him, maybe u guy weren't so lucky) but at least let's talk sense! -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:31 AM To: Odeluga, Ken; Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) What is untrue? -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:58 AM To: Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) This is pretty unjustified if not downright stupid by virtue of being patently untrue. k -Original Message- From: Jim Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) I made a post about mills and hawtin letting us down. Since then I have gotten 14 private emails from people who totally agree. Don¹t worry people you can agree in public, Jeff Mills wont shoot you through your email. :0 On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;) ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ## [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
I don't think it was suggested that he only has 30 records but that he only plays about 30 records - this is obviously untrue but I can see why Jim said it - he does have a repertoire of standards that are constantly in his box, more so than any other DJ. i would argue that if he did not play some of these standards that people would b**ch about that also, so it a no win situation. No-one ever criticised Frank Sinatra for singing the same old standards over and over again cos that's what people wanted to hear, and it is the same with Mills to a certain degree - people still whoop and cheer whenever The Bells is played, so why should he stop playing those old chestnuts? nor neil young or the beach boys, but this is techno, and audiences expect something new and exciting everytime. also bands can improvise a song and make it different but still a simular song, dj's can not do this what is etched on the record is what is going to be played you can not vary it like a band can, which makes that interesting again and again. maybe jeff should do some remixes of his classics? change it up i do agree if jeff had not played the bells i may have been disapointed, but i also enjoyed his set. imo it was one of the better times i have seem him (3 times now) it was way better then the state theater show and covered more ground then the thanksgiving show. i wish he would get over driving the gains so much it distorts the sound. the state theater is a good example of this. distorted sound hurts my ears jeff! the set to me did feel kinda forced, like he was covering to much ground in the time he had. but there was a method to his madness. i still want to know what the old skool electro track he played before work da body was? anyone, anyone? looking at the list here. help me out. what made me not enjoy the his set was the hordes of fools that thought everybody could fit on the floor and kept bumping me, using my sholders as a hand plant to climb down the sets (not the stairs), and the drunk @$$'s who kept disturbing me when i was trying to listen to his set. -- -scotto lansing, mi. plaztikjezuz.com
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
-- Original Message -- From: Jernej Marusic [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree, if a record is good why stop playing it. I get more annoyed with DJs who only play the latest records (and there's a lot of them), even if there hasn't been any really good records coming out at that time. Good record is a good record no meter how old is it or how often you hear it. i agree so wholeheartedly with this that its insane. i keep trying to explain this to people. house music isnt afraid to keep playing old disco and classic house tunes, but techno people seem afraid to revisit their old records. when i play, i bring at least a couple classics with me like alleys of your mind and nude photo and tunes like that. tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
i strongly believe that as a dj it's important to both entertain and educate - if someone played just new tracks here in Minneapolis then the dance floor would be empty during their entire set. It's a hard crowd to please not because they know but because they don't! If you play here you need to slip in the old and familiar to get people going then you can start laying down some new sounds on them - but it'll take a good 6 months or longer before those new tracks become popular with clubbers - to the point where they hear it and recognize it and would put down their drinks to go dance to it. This is for house music - techno is even harder to play here imo. Variety is the spice of life anyway MEK Thomas D. Cox, Jr. To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: h.com Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) 05/30/03 12:01 PM Please respond to death -- Original Message -- From: Jernej Marusic [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree, if a record is good why stop playing it. I get more annoyed with DJs who only play the latest records (and there's a lot of them), even if there hasn't been any really good records coming out at that time. Good record is a good record no meter how old is it or how often you hear it. i agree so wholeheartedly with this that its insane. i keep trying to explain this to people. house music isnt afraid to keep playing old disco and classic house tunes, but techno people seem afraid to revisit their old records. when i play, i bring at least a couple classics with me like alleys of your mind and nude photo and tunes like that. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) i strongly believe that as a dj it's important to both entertain and educate - if someone played just new tracks here in Minneapolis then the dance floor would be empty during their entire set. It's a hard crowd to please not because they know but because they don't! If you play here you need to slip in the old and familiar to get people going then you can start laying down some new sounds on them - but it'll take a good 6 months or longer before those new tracks become popular with clubbers - to the point where they hear it and recognize it and would put down their drinks to go dance to it. This is for house music - techno is even harder to play here imo. I like playing mostly all new music. It's the best way to get the 'WTF was that???' factor. I usually throw in older stuff too, but I think a DJ should expose new music, or else people prolly won't hear it. Besides - new music has never been better (or older, in a timeless way, if ya know what I mean). Sometimes I get off on busting out a set from a specific period too, or a historical range. It's all fun, it can all rock a dancefloor, but personally, I get off the most on rocking new sh*t that no one's heard. Point being, let's not generalize about old and new, it all has its place and reflects personal preference more than anything else. Think about how excited everyone is getting about this Krikor thingy. That's what I'm talking aboot. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
-- Original Message -- From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] I like playing mostly all new music. It's the best way to get the 'WTF was that???' factor. I usually throw in older stuff too, but I think a DJ should expose new music, or else people prolly won't hear it. Besides - new music has never been better (or older, in a timeless way, if ya know what I mean). Sometimes I get off on busting out a set from a specific period too, or a historical range. It's all fun, it can all rock a dancefloor, but personally, I get off the most on rocking new sh*t that no one's heard. Point being, let's not generalize about old and new, it all has its place and reflects personal preference more than anything else. let me also point out that its easier to play good sets of all new music if youre diverse in the genres you play. if youre playing strictly new tunes from any single subgenre, theres probably not enough interesting stuff. if youre rocking some new house, new techno, and new broken beat, you have so many more good tunes to choose from. Think about how excited everyone is getting about this Krikor thingy. That's what I'm talking aboot. has any conclusion been reached about what that track is who did it and what label it came out on? i really want it. tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
well if you don't like it why see him? -Original Message- From: Jim Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 May 2003 15:39 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) I made a post about mills and hawtin letting us down. Since then I have gotten 14 private emails from people who totally agree. Don¹t worry people you can agree in public, Jeff Mills wont shoot you through your email. :0 On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;) --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03
Re: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;) my friend saw him in hardwax apparently..back in 99 i think fab
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
To be fair to Mills, he does seem to have made a bit more of an effort recently to diversify his sets (when performing in the UK at least). I have even heard him material as divers as Prodigy's Charly and K.O.T's Finally and other less Axis/PM orientated techno and house the last two or three times, amongst the usual Step To Enchantment/Alarms/The Bells fare he is notorious for trotting out time and time again. Ian - I don't think Detroit residents get a chance to hear Mills quite as much as us Europeans, so maybe they were expecting something extra special, considering the occasion. -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:15 PM To: Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) well if you don't like it why see him? -Original Message- From: Jim Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 May 2003 15:39 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) I made a post about mills and hawtin letting us down. Since then I have gotten 14 private emails from people who totally agree. Don¹t worry people you can agree in public, Jeff Mills wont shoot you through your email. :0 On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;) --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
Ian - I don't think Detroit residents get a chance to hear Mills quite as much as us Europeans, so maybe they were expecting something extra special, considering the occasion. ahh but that's what I thought he did? I mean SPW said the other day he did a true Wizard set and yeah I think that's what he delivered. I guess whatever Mills does he will always be judged on what he did or has done. yeah sure I have seen him play better but still if I died tomorrow I would be happy to know I saw Mills in Detorit close the festival, now tell me that ain't special even if your from Detroit. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Jim and co should not have an opinion but hey at least it wasn't as bad as Juan Atkins was :0) But even so he played wicked tracks but if you wanted to have a go for Train wrecking then Juan would win ever time :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 May 2003 17:22 To: ian cheshire; Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) To be fair to Mills, he does seem to have made a bit more of an effort recently to diversify his sets (when performing in the UK at least). I have even heard him material as divers as Prodigy's Charly and K.O.T's Finally and other less Axis/PM orientated techno and house the last two or three times, amongst the usual Step To Enchantment/Alarms/The Bells fare he is notorious for trotting out time and time again. Ian - I don't think Detroit residents get a chance to hear Mills quite as much as us Europeans, so maybe they were expecting something extra special, considering the occasion. -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:15 PM To: Jim Bishop; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) well if you don't like it why see him? -Original Message- From: Jim Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 May 2003 15:39 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) I made a post about mills and hawtin letting us down. Since then I have gotten 14 private emails from people who totally agree. Don¹t worry people you can agree in public, Jeff Mills wont shoot you through your email. :0 On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;) --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Jim and co should not have an opinion but hey at least it wasn't as bad as Juan Atkins was :0) But even so he played wicked tracks but if you wanted to have a go for Train wrecking then Juan would win ever time :) Do you mean Juan's set at the Music Institute tent? I thought it was relatively free of mismatched beats - in fact it was a great set. We only left because we were getting smashed between people rushing into watch the dance circles and people rushing toward the front of the tent. Right around the time he dropped that West End record - who was it? Taana Garner (Work that body)? MEK
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
ahhh you see a classic case of different ears Michael..well I was outside to the left by the river and all that stood with me kept looking at each ohter everytime he brought a track in...so again its up to the persons opinion but like I said he played wicked tracks but he train wreck alot, well to me he did ;0) but I still enjoyed it -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 May 2003 17:14 To: ian cheshire Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; Jim Bishop; Robert Taylor Subject: RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Jim and co should not have an opinion but hey at least it wasn't as bad as Juan Atkins was :0) But even so he played wicked tracks but if you wanted to have a go for Train wrecking then Juan would win ever time :) Do you mean Juan's set at the Music Institute tent? I thought it was relatively free of mismatched beats - in fact it was a great set. We only left because we were getting smashed between people rushing into watch the dance circles and people rushing toward the front of the tent. Right around the time he dropped that West End record - who was it? Taana Garner (Work that body)? MEK --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/03
Re: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
On donderdag, mei 29, 2003, at 10:39 America/Detroit, Jim Bishop wrote: I made a post about mills and hawtin letting us down. Since then I have gotten 14 private emails from people who totally agree. I just got 32478392763830119307483023470 private e-mails telling me that the new Dan Curtin on downLow is pure heaven! How about that... On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;) i liked this festival, it was about good music from detroit need more sleep now [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
I was one of the ones that agreed. Hey I'm as big a mills fan as they come,and even though I enjoyed his 909 stint and some of the records, I truly feel that he performed way below his standards that day. Jim's not trying to influence people who liked him to believe the same thing.He's just calling it like he sees it. As for hawtin, well I've never been a big fan of his , so my opinions on him are probably biased in a negative way. I also will go on record and say that I didn't enjoy the festival this year as much as the previous ones. J -Original Message- From: Jim Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:39 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) I made a post about mills and hawtin letting us down. Since then I have gotten 14 private emails from people who totally agree. Don¹t worry people you can agree in public, Jeff Mills wont shoot you through your email. :0 On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;)
RE: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies)
As for hawtin, well I've never been a big fan of his , so my opinions on him are probably biased in a negative way. Just out of curiosity- what biased you? I also will go on record and say that I didn't enjoy the festival this year as much as the previous ones. Are you talking about the quality of the festival alone or the quality of the weekend? There seems to almost an inverse equation to how good Hart Plaza is compared to how good the afterparties are. I for one had a pretty darn good time at Hart Plaza. Much better than last year, although still not nearly as good as 2000 or 2001. On the other hand, there certainly were no afterparties that matched last year's Control, Cannonball Run or KMS afterparties. Perhaps there is a universal limitation to how much good partying you can have in a weekend. J -Original Message- From: Jim Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:39 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mills and hawtin at movement (private replies) I made a post about mills and hawtin letting us down. Since then I have gotten 14 private emails from people who totally agree. Don¹t worry people you can agree in public, Jeff Mills wont shoot you through your email. :0 On a side note, has anyone ever seen jeff mills at a record store, you see many other dj's going shopping in various cities but does mills. If not then he damn well should, we heard his same 30 tracks enough already. ;)
