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amen. the sniping that came out of that thread has been going on for over a week now. d.
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everybody's got their name printed on their faces. what's the problem if someone starts reading aloud? not comfortable enough? /12 - Original Message - From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:48 AM Subject: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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The problem is that the continued existence on this list depends on a certain level of mutual respect. I don't know what got put in everybody's food, but people have been way too salty lately. This is supposed to be a mailing list about Detroit Techno, and as such it has historically been a positive force to promote the music. How many heard a few records that became crucial to them, and then found out there was an E-mail list that they could go to for discussion and education on that topic? How many people have formed lasting relationships based around techno because of this list? Would someone coming along in the past 2 weeks see any of that? When things get ugly, things are off course. I'm just this guy who volunteered to administer the list, but I'm a believer in preserving it as a place for positive, substantive discussion. If you've been reading for the past few weeks, you know I don't say anything as Mr. Admin until things cross a certain line. It isn't easy to judge when to step in, so I just do it when it feels like it has to be done. Believe me, judging from my private e-mail, there would be support for me being much more pro-active, and banning people. It shouldn't be like that. And, speaking to those of you who seem to think that they're doing people favors by 'telling it like it is' and 'keeping it real': you aint. Whatever valid points you have, whatever your opinions are, being salty and abusive just negates them. Anything real you have to say, you could say better without being bitches. Do y'all think for a minute you're unique individuals, whose brilliance and insight puts you above the normal rules of civil discourse? Nah, you're just haters, and I got tired of that crap in 1987 on Usenet News. A bunch of cranks working out their frustrations on the Internet. There's nothing unique about you -- you're just members of the bummer demographic. Figure out how to stop being thwarted, bitter people in real life and leave 313 the hell alone. On 9/5/06, v12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: everybody's got their name printed on their faces. what's the problem if someone starts reading aloud? not comfortable enough? /12 - Original Message - From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 12:48 AM Subject: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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On Sep 5, 2006, at 9:03 PM, v12 wrote: everybody's got their name printed on their faces. what's the problem if someone starts reading aloud? not comfortable enough? The problem is that we've all got the list archives available to us (here's a hint -- they go back to 1994, so you can imagine how fresh all these flame threads are), and with a little judicious application of regular expressions and copy and paste, we are all quite capable of completely reproducing these latest threads, without the slightest bit of conscious thought. Which is precisely how we've arrived at this point, it seems... So please, let's allow the old girl a little rest. restealthing, d.w.
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I think the important thing to remember (somewhat similar to what Kent said) is that all of this posting is archived and there may be a time in the future when we look back in hindsight at some of our posts (that maybe we shouldn't have posted) and wished we hadn't posted 'em. Personally, my big shouldn't-have-happened is when I was doing my syndicated radio/net show and got pissed off at Javier Drada because I felt I had premiered something on my show that he said he was premiering on his show. At the time I was pretty fired up about it, but soon after in hindsight I realized it was a pretty foolish thing to give a damn about though I think I kept this to myself and never made it public. So, Javier, if I never apologized for being an ass about that then, please consider this an apology. I think far too often, and not just on this list, on forums, and other forms of cyberspace, we don't a) think should I really bother to post this before posting and b) apologize for our hastiness after we post something we realize maybe we shouldn't have posted. Ditto for in outside-cyberspace life. Being married has made me realize that one of the most important things you can do is be the person to apologize first even when perhaps the other person should have been the one doing the first apologizing. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://cognitionaudioworks.com http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks
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too much zen, but thats ok.. to sum up. this isnt about namecalling as such. rude truth is handsomer than any of your pseudo-civilised politness.. u think you're that mature? no you arent,you're just old and tired.. even too tired to see the detail of the matter,comparing current affairs to some bs from the 80s.. they seem alike? they arent.. /12 - Original Message - From: Andrew Duke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 6:06 AM Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t I think the important thing to remember (somewhat similar to what Kent said) is that all of this posting is archived and there may be a time in the future when we look back in hindsight at some of our posts (that maybe we shouldn't have posted) and wished we hadn't posted 'em. Personally, my big shouldn't-have-happened is when I was doing my syndicated radio/net show and got pissed off at Javier Drada because I felt I had premiered something on my show that he said he was premiering on his show. At the time I was pretty fired up about it, but soon after in hindsight I realized it was a pretty foolish thing to give a damn about though I think I kept this to myself and never made it public. So, Javier, if I never apologized for being an ass about that then, please consider this an apology. I think far too often, and not just on this list, on forums, and other forms of cyberspace, we don't a) think should I really bother to post this before posting and b) apologize for our hastiness after we post something we realize maybe we shouldn't have posted. Ditto for in outside-cyberspace life. Being married has made me realize that one of the most important things you can do is be the person to apologize first even when perhaps the other person should have been the one doing the first apologizing. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://cognitionaudioworks.com http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks
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I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7 years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye Jason On 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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Yeah same here, i have had it with the constant name calling, insults and people who's only purpose is to stir up this list. To bad because i have always liked 313 because of its politeness compared to other mailinglists. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 6-sep-2006, at 9:49, Jason Brunton wrote: To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7 years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye Jason On 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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that's a terrible shame. we are losing some important people who are, in my opinion, vital to the quality of this list. if these people leave, then the list will further decline. thinks it's time that lurkers, like myself, should let their feelings be known. this list has, and still can, be a rewarding muscial source. don't know what's happened the last couple of weeks. it has to be just a blip. and they do seem to happen every couple of years . . . . . and usually involve richie hawtin or race. amazing that technology should cause such vitriol, but there you go. lets get things back on track! On 9/6/06, Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah same here, i have had it with the constant name calling, insults and people who's only purpose is to stir up this list. To bad because i have always liked 313 because of its politeness compared to other mailinglists. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 6-sep-2006, at 9:49, Jason Brunton wrote: To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7 years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye Jason On 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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I'll second that... -Original Message- From: Aidan O'Doherty that's a terrible shame. we are losing some important people who are, in my opinion, vital to the quality of this list. if these people leave, then the list will further decline. thinks it's time that lurkers, like myself, should let their feelings be known. this list has, and still can, be a rewarding muscial source. don't know what's happened the last couple of weeks. it has to be just a blip. and they do seem to happen every couple of years . . . . and usually involve richie hawtin or race. amazing that technology should cause such vitriol, but there you go. lets get things back on track! On 9/6/06, Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah same here, i have had it with the constant name calling, insults and people who's only purpose is to stir up this list. To bad because i have always liked 313 because of its politeness compared to other mailinglists. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 6-sep-2006, at 9:49, Jason Brunton wrote: To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7 years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye Jason On 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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Only recently you pointed me in the right direction on that Orlando V. 12...That's what this list is about for me, info an help, if people who share good info with the list leave then it's a bit pointless for other to be on here. I ask you to reconsider J? -Original Message- From: Jason Brunton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2006 08:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7 years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye Jason On 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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It's unfortunate that a few should occasionally spoil it for many. On the other hand, I would suggest a little perspective. Things are usually sedate, reasonable, and dare I say it, they can be on relatively rare occasions, a little boring round here. There is a happy medium - I'm not going to call it, but I'm sure there is one. You could even suggest that the solution, when this sort of things happens is *not* to unsubscribe, but rather to claim the list for one's own. Be the voice of reason or overwhelm those who sometimes go off at a negative tangent, with communications which have a positive tone. Ken -Original Message- From: Aidan O'Doherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2006 09:43 To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma Cc: Jason Brunton; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t that's a terrible shame. we are losing some important people who are, in my opinion, vital to the quality of this list. if these people leave, then the list will further decline. thinks it's time that lurkers, like myself, should let their feelings be known. this list has, and still can, be a rewarding muscial source. don't know what's happened the last couple of weeks. it has to be just a blip. and they do seem to happen every couple of years . . . . . and usually involve richie hawtin or race. amazing that technology should cause such vitriol, but there you go. lets get things back on track! On 9/6/06, Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah same here, i have had it with the constant name calling, insults and people who's only purpose is to stir up this list. To bad because i have always liked 313 because of its politeness compared to other mailinglists. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 6-sep-2006, at 9:49, Jason Brunton wrote: To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7 years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye Jason On 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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debate is all well and good, but character assassination is, obviously, uncalled for. then the debate goes out the window. becoming the voice of reason only matters if you have some clout on the list, so those whose opinions carry greater respect should speak up. On 9/6/06, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's unfortunate that a few should occasionally spoil it for many. On the other hand, I would suggest a little perspective. Things are usually sedate, reasonable, and dare I say it, they can be on relatively rare occasions, a little boring round here. There is a happy medium - I'm not going to call it, but I'm sure there is one. You could even suggest that the solution, when this sort of things happens is *not* to unsubscribe, but rather to claim the list for one's own. Be the voice of reason or overwhelm those who sometimes go off at a negative tangent, with communications which have a positive tone. Ken -Original Message- From: Aidan O'Doherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2006 09:43 To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma Cc: Jason Brunton; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t that's a terrible shame. we are losing some important people who are, in my opinion, vital to the quality of this list. if these people leave, then the list will further decline. thinks it's time that lurkers, like myself, should let their feelings be known. this list has, and still can, be a rewarding muscial source. don't know what's happened the last couple of weeks. it has to be just a blip. and they do seem to happen every couple of years . . . . . and usually involve richie hawtin or race. amazing that technology should cause such vitriol, but there you go. lets get things back on track! On 9/6/06, Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah same here, i have had it with the constant name calling, insults and people who's only purpose is to stir up this list. To bad because i have always liked 313 because of its politeness compared to other mailinglists. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 6-sep-2006, at 9:49, Jason Brunton wrote: To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7 years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye Jason On 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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On 9/6/06, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could even suggest that the solution, when this sort of things happens is *not* to unsubscribe, but rather to claim the list for one's own. Be the voice of reason or overwhelm those who sometimes go off at a negative tangent, with communications which have a positive tone. its funny that people give me grief because i post alot, but nothing is stopping any of them from posting all they want about anything. tom
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i wouldn't give you grief over posting a lot. without posts there would be no list. and i like the fact that you are opinionated and stick to your guns, and display passion in your beliefs. just don't understand how recent debates have become so personal; i just can't get my head around how these debates got out of control that led to such personal attacks. in the greater scheme of things, they don't seem to matter that much. aidan On 9/6/06, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/6/06, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could even suggest that the solution, when this sort of things happens is *not* to unsubscribe, but rather to claim the list for one's own. Be the voice of reason or overwhelm those who sometimes go off at a negative tangent, with communications which have a positive tone. its funny that people give me grief because i post alot, but nothing is stopping any of them from posting all they want about anything. tom
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i agree ken. i just joined a few weeks ago and this is practically all i've seen, but i'm not going to unsub yet because i haven't had a chance to learn and discuss what i came here for. i'd say, if people start sh!t like that and don't go away (and aren't removed from the list), then counter their posts with brand new topics about something interesting to you. hopefully this will drown out the bad with good and keep the good folks around. d. It's unfortunate that a few should occasionally spoil it for many. On the other hand, I would suggest a little perspective. Things are usually sedate, reasonable, and dare I say it, they can be on relatively rare occasions, a little boring round here. There is a happy medium - I'm not going to call it, but I'm sure there is one. You could even suggest that the solution, when this sort of things happens is *not* to unsubscribe, but rather to claim the list for one's own. Be the voice of reason or overwhelm those who sometimes go off at a negative tangent, with communications which have a positive tone. Ken -Original Message- From: Aidan O'Doherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2006 09:43 To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma Cc: Jason Brunton; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t that's a terrible shame. we are losing some important people who are, in my opinion, vital to the quality of this list. if these people leave, then the list will further decline. thinks it's time that lurkers, like myself, should let their feelings be known. this list has, and still can, be a rewarding muscial source. don't know what's happened the last couple of weeks. it has to be just a blip. and they do seem to happen every couple of years . . . . . and usually involve richie hawtin or race. amazing that technology should cause such vitriol, but there you go. lets get things back on track! On 9/6/06, Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah same here, i have had it with the constant name calling, insults and people who's only purpose is to stir up this list. To bad because i have always liked 313 because of its politeness compared to other mailinglists. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 6-sep-2006, at 9:49, Jason Brunton wrote: To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7 years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye Jason On 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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I didn't see the namecalling - as soon as it gets boring, I hit delete when I see the header - no problem - better than unsubscribing in a huff, esp if you only ever post to moan about the state of the list. If that's all you're there to do, see ya! -Original Message- From: chthonic streams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2006 13:20 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t i agree ken. i just joined a few weeks ago and this is practically all i've seen, but i'm not going to unsub yet because i haven't had a chance to learn and discuss what i came here for. i'd say, if people start sh!t like that and don't go away (and aren't removed from the list), then counter their posts with brand new topics about something interesting to you. hopefully this will drown out the bad with good and keep the good folks around. d. It's unfortunate that a few should occasionally spoil it for many. On the other hand, I would suggest a little perspective. Things are usually sedate, reasonable, and dare I say it, they can be on relatively rare occasions, a little boring round here. There is a happy medium - I'm not going to call it, but I'm sure there is one. You could even suggest that the solution, when this sort of things happens is *not* to unsubscribe, but rather to claim the list for one's own. Be the voice of reason or overwhelm those who sometimes go off at a negative tangent, with communications which have a positive tone. Ken -Original Message- From: Aidan O'Doherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2006 09:43 To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma Cc: Jason Brunton; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t that's a terrible shame. we are losing some important people who are, in my opinion, vital to the quality of this list. if these people leave, then the list will further decline. thinks it's time that lurkers, like myself, should let their feelings be known. this list has, and still can, be a rewarding muscial source. don't know what's happened the last couple of weeks. it has to be just a blip. and they do seem to happen every couple of years . . . . . and usually involve richie hawtin or race. amazing that technology should cause such vitriol, but there you go. lets get things back on track! On 9/6/06, Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah same here, i have had it with the constant name calling, insults and people who's only purpose is to stir up this list. To bad because i have always liked 313 because of its politeness compared to other mailinglists. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 6-sep-2006, at 9:49, Jason Brunton wrote: To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7 years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye Jason On 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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better than unsubscribing in a huff, esp if you only ever post to moan about the state of the list. If that's all you're there to do, see ya! Well said Rob, I've gotta 99 problems but this list aint one m
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Was I namecalling? I can't remember. Apologies if any of my messages had more noise than signal.
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Not directly related to the current discussion, but after 11 years or so, I'm un-subbing too. The signal to noise ratio has got out of hand lately and to be honest, there hasn't been a Detroit techno record that's got me excited much in the last couple of years anyway. I've kept an eye on the list for news on new stuff I should check out, but I have to sift through too much rubbish to find any of that info these days and I don't have the time for it. I haven't contributed much in the last few years anyway, but thanks to all the old-timers for our discussions back in the day - its been fun! Sean. -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2006 09:02 To: Jason Brunton Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t Yeah same here, i have had it with the constant name calling, insults and people who's only purpose is to stir up this list. To bad because i have always liked 313 because of its politeness compared to other mailinglists. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 6-sep-2006, at 9:49, Jason Brunton wrote: To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7 years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye Jason On 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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Relying on the header is insufficient. Frequently people will change the subject line. You must really set a filter on the In-Reply-To: header but unfortunately this list does not support that. On Sep 6, 2006, at 10:21, Robert Taylor wrote: I didn't see the namecalling - as soon as it gets boring, I hit delete when I see the header - no problem - better than unsubscribing in a huff, esp if you only ever post to moan about the state of the list. If that's all you're there to do, see ya! -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It doesn't take long to scan to see if it's worth your while reading - hell, I get up to 400 emails a day on work matters and not all are relevant - I've got quite skilled at skimming for relevance :) -Original Message- From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2006 13:35 To: Robert Taylor Cc: chthonic streams; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t Relying on the header is insufficient. Frequently people will change the subject line. You must really set a filter on the In-Reply-To: header but unfortunately this list does not support that. On Sep 6, 2006, at 10:21, Robert Taylor wrote: I didn't see the namecalling - as soon as it gets boring, I hit delete when I see the header - no problem - better than unsubscribing in a huff, esp if you only ever post to moan about the state of the list. If that's all you're there to do, see ya! -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t
This too shall pass... and then get brought back up again 6 months from now in another glorious war of flaming emails. ;-) MEK Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/06/2006 09:21:05 AM: I didn't see the namecalling - as soon as it gets boring, I hit delete when I see the header - no problem - better than unsubscribing in a huff, esp if you only ever post to moan about the state of the list. If that's all you're there to do, see ya! -Original Message- From: chthonic streams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2006 13:20 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t i agree ken. i just joined a few weeks ago and this is practically all i've seen, but i'm not going to unsub yet because i haven't had a chance to learn and discuss what i came here for. i'd say, if people start sh!t like that and don't go away (and aren't removed from the list), then counter their posts with brand new topics about something interesting to you. hopefully this will drown out the bad with good and keep the good folks around. d. It's unfortunate that a few should occasionally spoil it for many. On the other hand, I would suggest a little perspective. Things are usually sedate, reasonable, and dare I say it, they can be on relatively rare occasions, a little boring round here. There is a happy medium - I'm not going to call it, but I'm sure there is one. You could even suggest that the solution, when this sort of things happens is *not* to unsubscribe, but rather to claim the list for one's own. Be the voice of reason or overwhelm those who sometimes go off at a negative tangent, with communications which have a positive tone. Ken -Original Message- From: Aidan O'Doherty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2006 09:43 To: Klaas-Jan Jongsma Cc: Jason Brunton; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t that's a terrible shame. we are losing some important people who are, in my opinion, vital to the quality of this list. if these people leave, then the list will further decline. thinks it's time that lurkers, like myself, should let their feelings be known. this list has, and still can, be a rewarding muscial source. don't know what's happened the last couple of weeks. it has to be just a blip. and they do seem to happen every couple of years . . . . . and usually involve richie hawtin or race. amazing that technology should cause such vitriol, but there you go. lets get things back on track! On 9/6/06, Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah same here, i have had it with the constant name calling, insults and people who's only purpose is to stir up this list. To bad because i have always liked 313 because of its politeness compared to other mailinglists. KJ --- Eevo Lute Muzique http://www.eevolute.com On 6-sep-2006, at 9:49, Jason Brunton wrote: To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7 years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye Jason On 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Damn. Osselaer, Jason, KJ and Sean all in one day. These are 4 of the best people I've everhad the pleasure to meet. We've partied all over the world. I never would have met them if it hadn't been for this list.I hope you guys come back once the pissing match of 06has ended. From:"Sean Creen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:"Klaas-Jan Jongsma" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"Jason Brunton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"kent williams" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"list 313" 313@hyperreal.orgSubject:RE: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!tDate:Wed, 6 Sep 2006 14:32:18 +0100Not directly related to the current discussion, but after 11 years orso, I'm un-subbing too. The signal to noise ratio has got out of handlately and to be honest, there hasn't been a Detroit techno recordthat's got me excited much in the last couple of years anyway. I've keptan eye on the list for news on new stuff I should check out, but I haveto sift through too much rubbish to find any of that info these days andI don't have the time for it.I haven't contributed much in the last few years anyway, but thanks toall the old-timers for our discussions back in the day - its been fun!Sean.-Original Message-From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 06 September 2006 09:02To: Jason BruntonCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kent williams; list 313Subject: Re: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!tYeah same here, i have had it with the constant name calling, insultsand people who's only purpose is to stir up this list. To bad becausei have always liked 313 because of its politeness compared to othermailinglists.KJ---Eevo Lute Muziquehttp://www.eevolute.comOn 6-sep-2006, at 9:49, Jason Brunton wrote: To be honest John, me too- I'm taking a break after 7years- might come back in a few months to see if things have gotten any better but frankly I doubt it bye JasonOn 6 Sep 2006, at 08:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree Kent, but it will be too late for me. I'm outahere. If anyone needs to contact me you can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't send mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't used that mailbox in ages due to spam. Take care everybody, John - Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: woensdag, september 6, 2006 12:48 AM Aan: 'list 313' Onderwerp: (313) Namecalling is Bullsh!t ... and it should stop.
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Let's put it this way, you're not causing the problem, Dale. Others may want to check their own sh`t out, however. fh - Was I namecalling? I can't remember. Apologies if any of my messages had more noise than signal.
