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It's no surprise to me. Those prog DJs desperately need fresh inspiration and are delving into electro, breaks, techno... It's good to see them expose someone like Carl, surely. The new Chris Fortier CD has some cool Lucas Rodenbush on there too. I am def not into prog, but I quite enjoyed Sasha's Involver CD. He's definitely moving into new space. But he has no charisma as a club DJ for me. sasha's changing his playlists again I see. carl craig mix of beanfield! http://www.progressive-sounds.com/features/Sasha-Fundacion-NYC.asp
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Taken from the text Sasha in turn has rebuilt Carl Craig's rework into something epically melodic, yet still cool as ice He should leave that track alone... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2005 13:19 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Sasha playing Detroit stuff! sasha's changing his playlists again I see. carl craig mix of beanfield! http://www.progressive-sounds.com/features/Sasha-Fundacion-NYC.asp _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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You see! This is what I was afraid of when my friend said that Detroit was trendy these days. It's not good You wrote: sasha's changing his playlists again I see. carl craig mix of beanfield! http://www.progressive-sounds.com/features/Sasha-Fundacion-NYC.asp _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Never mind Sasha - Mr Bond explain yourself!!! WTF are you doing hanging around at http://www.progressive-sounds.com thought you knew better than that and dont hit us with the someone sent me a link excuse Cheers BT --- Dan Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see! This is what I was afraid of when my friend said that Detroit was trendy these days. It's not good You wrote: sasha's changing his playlists again I see. carl craig mix of beanfield! http://www.progressive-sounds.com/features/Sasha-Fundacion-NYC.asp _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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'This one-of-a-kind custom designed controller, along with Ableton Live software and an Apple G5, enables Sasha to sample, loop, layer and re-edit live in the booth and has transformed his Djing' Is Sasha the Hawtin of the progressive movement.? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 27 mei 2005 14:48 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) Sasha playing Detroit stuff! You see! This is what I was afraid of when my friend said that Detroit was trendy these days. It's not good You wrote: sasha's changing his playlists again I see. carl craig mix of beanfield! http://www.progressive-sounds.com/features/Sasha-Fundacion-NYC.asp _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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This is what I was afraid of when my friend said that Detroit was trendy these days. aha, I see! hmm. not sure what I think. although I'm kind of interested to hear what he did with that carl craig mix. bet he made it horrible. one side of me thinks its a good thing, the other doesn't. arguing with myself again. this is not good. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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They've been playing Kompakt and Traum stuff for a while too. The new Fabric mix from Digweed is actually not bad except for the parts where he tries to scratch. At 08:47 AM 5/27/2005, Dan Bean wrote: You see! This is what I was afraid of when my friend said that Detroit was trendy these days. It's not good You wrote: sasha's changing his playlists again I see. carl craig mix of beanfield! http://www.progressive-sounds.com/features/Sasha-Fundacion-NYC.asp _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. -- /* Halley */ (Halley's comment.) matt kane's brain podcast | http://www.hydrogenproject.com | netradio | on-the-air [EMAIL PROTECTED] || AIM: mkbatwerk
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This one-of-a-kind custom designed controller mines gonna be way better than his. nah nah nah. : p and richie hawtins too for that matter. *boast* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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http://www.progressive-sounds.com it's my fave site BT ; ) nah, I just saw that sasha thing as a prome in a record shop. and then I got curious so I did a search on it. I had a feeling he was starting to play this sort of gear. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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They've been playing Kompakt and Traum I feel that kompakt stuff is different though, it was always poppy really. it's deffo your new trance music. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Who cares? Me, I find it interesting. Next question? I'm on a roll. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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hi! just wanted to add something to the discussion. any one of you using live might have come across this thread: Richie Hawtin and Live: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19984 check out the pictures and have a good laugh. sasha's setup in relation to plastikman's and surgeon's. cheers roman/berlin/germany - heading for Oststrand to check out the ubercoolisch 05' string collection... --- energylog - read the news - www.energylab.de - Original Message - From: Blaauw, Martijn de [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:00 PM Subject: RE: (313) Sasha playing Detroit stuff! 'This one-of-a-kind custom designed controller, along with Ableton Live software and an Apple G5, enables Sasha to sample, loop, layer and re-edit live in the booth and has transformed his Djing' Is Sasha the Hawtin of the progressive movement.? -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 27 mei 2005 14:48 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) Sasha playing Detroit stuff! You see! This is what I was afraid of when my friend said that Detroit was trendy these days. It's not good You wrote: sasha's changing his playlists again I see. carl craig mix of beanfield! http://www.progressive-sounds.com/features/Sasha-Fundacion-NYC.asp _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: 'This one-of-a-kind custom designed controller, along with Ableton Live software and an Apple G5, enables Sasha to sample, loop, layer and re-edit live in the booth and has transformed his Djing' Is Sasha the Hawtin of the progressive movement.? ***I think it's a case that Sasha's PR officer doesn't realize that ANYBODY with Ableton Live can sample, loop, layer, and re-edit live. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.0.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
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i don't care what he's playing now... The fact that he played 1000's of sets with music so bad, if my cat came in, with some of his set on his foot i'd make it sleep outside nearly every track id,track listing, rave website pays homage to this sad era in clubdom he uised to play good records once..then for a very very very long time he didnt... and now he plays one good record and i see his f***ing name come up again.. the bane of my life... p Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks wrote: Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: 'This one-of-a-kind custom designed controller, along with Ableton Live software and an Apple G5, enables Sasha to sample, loop, layer and re-edit live in the booth and has transformed his Djing' Is Sasha the Hawtin of the progressive movement.? ***I think it's a case that Sasha's PR officer doesn't realize that ANYBODY with Ableton Live can sample, loop, layer, and re-edit live. Andrew
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if my cat came in, with some of his set on his foot i'd make it sleep outside bwahahahahahahahahahahahah! I just fell off my chair laughing. I'm trying to picture your cat with some of sashas set on its foot. it's funny. p.s. sasha is my new favourite dj now. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Bring on the Sasha pin-ups! :) On 27-mei-2005, at 17:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if my cat came in, with some of his set on his foot i'd make it sleep outside bwahahahahahahahahahahahah! I just fell off my chair laughing. I'm trying to picture your cat with some of sashas set on its foot. it's funny. p.s. sasha is my new favourite dj now. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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track #2 - Adam Johnson - Four Squares well well well - I'm going to have to ask Mr. Johnson a few questions about this His tracks were picked for the Digweed Fabric mix as well as a Way Out West mix CD here's a theory - these guys will stop playing this stuff when it ceases to fill clubs in Ibiza I think they're mining for cool points either that or the sound of progressive house/trance is being influenced by techno again which is no bad thing really. If it's making crappy music somewhat listenable all the better. MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To 05/27/05 08:18 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject Re: (313) Sasha playing Detroit stuff! They've been playing Kompakt and Traum I feel that kompakt stuff is different though, it was always poppy really. it's deffo your new trance music. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Bring on the Sasha pin-ups! Yeah yeah yeah! I need one for my wall : ) Hope kevin saunderson books him for the festival next year, I'll deffo come then. I can see the headlines now Sasha: I've always like deep electronic music _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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here's a theory - these guys will stop playing this stuff when it ceases to fill clubs in Ibiza eh up, someone buy sherlock a pint, his brain is overheating. teehee. yeah, they only change their micro genre of dance music when they realise no ones interested. don't worry folks they'll be onto something else next year. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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You see! This is what I was afraid of when my friend said that Detroit was trendy these days. It's not good I would *love* it, when progressive dj's would start playing (proper) detroit techno. Then finally I would be able to hear some good music on the radio, wich would be a good thing. Or wouldn't it? Besides, most of these new red planet records, for instance, really sound like trance. And that new octave one record sounded pretty progressive to my ears. Wich is NOT a good thing, though. :-) Cheers, Maarten
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Interesting that Sasha - who has recently given up vinyl I hope he doesn't stop there... MEK ha! nice -- Matt MacQueen http://sonicsunset.com
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Interesting that Sasha - who has recently given up vinyl I hope he doesn't stop there... MEK ha! nice -- Matt MacQueen http://sonicsunset.com Well he gave up music quite a while ago, right ...
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Actually the Involver CD is OK, I understand what he is doing - from the point of view of someone boxed in by prog, quite good. I don't think he commands much charisma behind the decks though. Sometimes you have to check things out to see what the fuss is all about so you can diss more strategically (or, ahem, jump on the bandwagon) - like Coldplay (OK, nice songs, like Chris Martin's Jamelia collabo), Franz Ferdinand (what is the big deal?), Scissor Sisters (Army Of Lovers for 2004, hah!), Bridget Jones flicks (actually hilarious, excellent, finally shrugged off the misconception that Hugh Grant is the Judge Jules of thespians), etc, etc, etc. -- From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: (313) Sasha Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:49 PM Interesting that Sasha - who has recently given up vinyl I hope he doesn't stop there... MEK ha! nice -- Matt MacQueen http://sonicsunset.com Well he gave up music quite a while ago, right ...
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Interesting that Sasha - who has recently given up vinyl I hope he doesn't stop there... MEK
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Interesting that Sasha - who has recently given up vinyl - says part of inspiration for current Involver CD was experimentation by Richie Hawtin with Final Scratch. Also admires Jeff Mills and says he is one DJ he hopes never gives up vinyl as he is such a technically brilliant DJ. Mean to post reports on recent Mills tour and excellent Three Ages film showing enlightening QA in Melb, but been too stressed with work - will come soon. Alex, are you assigning things to laptop keys as well? I do notice myself though, sometimes there's never enough knobs or sliders... maybe just need to get a 2nd controller though, rather than waiting for someone to make some GIGANTO-HYPER-UNIT that has a zillion buttons and knobs. Personally, I wish I could just highlight a channel without using the mouse, so I could see which effects are on or off before I bring in a new clip on the channel. ~David -- Original Message - Subject: Re: (313) Sasha Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:44:14 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Martin DPersonally - I think it's all rubbish - as you can use any controller with plenty of nobs and sliders - you just have to stop wanting to change it into decks 1 and two because if that's all you are going to do, you may as well use decks. Nah, thats rubbish Martin. I have a box (UC33). Its not bad - it could be better. The more stuff I can assign, the more time I have to do edits on the fly. It's not ideal though. Here's how I set it up. Each channel has EQ3, Auto Filter and Ping Pong delay on. I want to have total hands on control over the effects so I dont have to be fiddling around on the computer - its far more spontaneous and allows you to 'sound' better. I need effects on each channel, so you can use effects in the mix. (raw drums for example). Not sure about the decks one and two bit. I want to have loops running on a couple of channels, with effects, then 2 channels with songs on, yeah like decks a little. Don't see where the problem is there? You certainly cant use recoreds for what I want to do... I just want a totally hands on interface - just as a dj mixer is. But I want it with all the features you use ableton for instead of decks - I still don't beleieve anyone makes one like this... Fiddling with your pc is just not spontaneous enough I dont think. People do seem to want to replicate what on screen to a controller, but when you've had hours of practice this simply doesn't matter. I've just got a new computer. Its sh*t. I dont think I'll ever be able to control it quick enough to do what I want to do - its way too fiddly. Hands on is better, much much better. So, I dont agree. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Hi Dave I don't have any information on Sasha's Ableton Controller, I can gladly say that he hasn't dj'd in Portland for almost 10 years now (YES!) and I certainly don't buy his records, so you'll have to get more info elsewhere, but I doubt that Sasha's controller, would be any better then Richie Hawtin's cutom doepfer controller. I doubt it too! Although I was reading some comments sasha made about this controller, and the things he was saying about how he wanted it to be were interesting. I don't think theres a really good ableton controller specifically for dj'ing on the market yet. do other people find this? I've looked at all the options, and to me, they're missing some fundamental stuff. Sasha said something along the lines of I want something that I can control the entire screen from, so I'm not having to hunch over a laptop while dj'ing etc.. blahblah well, me too. I want something with on each channel a slider, assignable knobs, some buttons, and preferably something you could use to control the effects per channel too. Also something with a crossfader as well. It seems simple! but no one makes one yet! maybe its a bit expensive to make. I really like the layout of his controller, at least when it comes to using Ableton. Now if Dopefer/Richie/Ableton would distribute it, as it's a one off. Yeah, it looks excellent - if only they made it commercially! not much use to us other wise! Thanks for the info Dave - much appreciated. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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I don't think theres a really good ableton controller specifically for dj'ing on the market yet. do other people find this? there is a *huge* gap in the market in this respect. i guess we'll know tomorrow what m-audio have done for sasha. i'm fairly certain it'll have two stereo outs and work via the firewire bus. (a la the new ozonic). still think we need to build our own rave generator tho alex :) robin...
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Personally - I think it's all rubbish - as you can use any controller with plenty of nobs and sliders - you just have to stop wanting to change it into decks 1 and two because if that's all you are going to do, you may as well use decks. People do seem to want to replicate what on screen to a controller, but when you've had hours of practice this simply doesn't matter. My two cents Martin On 3 Dec 2004, at 11:28, robin wrote: I don't think theres a really good ableton controller specifically for dj'ing on the market yet. do other people find this? there is a *huge* gap in the market in this respect. i guess we'll know tomorrow what m-audio have done for sasha. i'm fairly certain it'll have two stereo outs and work via the firewire bus. (a la the new ozonic). still think we need to build our own rave generator tho alex :) robin...
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there is a *huge* gap in the market in this respect. I keep thinking I'm missing something huge - like a feature within ableton or something, but I'm not - I'm relatively certain. It is strange that theres nothing really, especially as theres tons of dj equipment on the market, and its been a few years now - this isn't new technology. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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i see what you're saying martin and to a certain extent you're right. it'd be nice to get away from actually using the mouse etc though and just control from something that is mixer-like. it'd also be nice in terms of setup at gigs etc to have one thing that you plug into the laptop that does audio and control. a uc17/uc33/indigo dj for example in one unit you just throw in yer bag with the laptop when u gig. robin On 3 Dec 2004, at 11:32, Martin Dust wrote: Personally - I think it's all rubbish - as you can use any controller with plenty of nobs and sliders - you just have to stop wanting to change it into decks 1 and two because if that's all you are going to do, you may as well use decks. People do seem to want to replicate what on screen to a controller, but when you've had hours of practice this simply doesn't matter.
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Martin DPersonally - I think it's all rubbish - as you can use any controller with plenty of nobs and sliders - you just have to stop wanting to change it into decks 1 and two because if that's all you are going to do, you may as well use decks. Nah, thats rubbish Martin. I have a box (UC33). Its not bad - it could be better. The more stuff I can assign, the more time I have to do edits on the fly. It's not ideal though. Here's how I set it up. Each channel has EQ3, Auto Filter and Ping Pong delay on. I want to have total hands on control over the effects so I dont have to be fiddling around on the computer - its far more spontaneous and allows you to 'sound' better. I need effects on each channel, so you can use effects in the mix. (raw drums for example). Not sure about the decks one and two bit. I want to have loops running on a couple of channels, with effects, then 2 channels with songs on, yeah like decks a little. Don't see where the problem is there? You certainly cant use recoreds for what I want to do... I just want a totally hands on interface - just as a dj mixer is. But I want it with all the features you use ableton for instead of decks - I still don't beleieve anyone makes one like this... Fiddling with your pc is just not spontaneous enough I dont think. People do seem to want to replicate what on screen to a controller, but when you've had hours of practice this simply doesn't matter. I've just got a new computer. Its sh*t. I dont think I'll ever be able to control it quick enough to do what I want to do - its way too fiddly. Hands on is better, much much better. So, I dont agree. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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I like the freedom tho, and do have two controllers and when we have 4 machines going we can move around machines or play on the same laptop with the other controller. It would be nice but I fear the block build mentality of Cubase would sneak in and people would get really lazy and stop thinking, having said that - most people don't know what they want on their pizza let alone a controller. Alex, just get something with loads of nobs and sliders and colour code them up, I can do anything on mine that I could do on a DM600. Sound to me that all you are missing is punching tracks in and out - but this can be done with easy - Do you get someone to put your records on for you Alex? Most DJ's miss the point and just want what they've already had, the freedom is there, you just have to change... Martin On 3 Dec 2004, at 11:38, robin wrote: i see what you're saying martin and to a certain extent you're right. it'd be nice to get away from actually using the mouse etc though and just control from something that is mixer-like. it'd also be nice in terms of setup at gigs etc to have one thing that you plug into the laptop that does audio and control. a uc17/uc33/indigo dj for example in one unit you just throw in yer bag with the laptop when u gig. robin On 3 Dec 2004, at 11:32, Martin Dust wrote: Personally - I think it's all rubbish - as you can use any controller with plenty of nobs and sliders - you just have to stop wanting to change it into decks 1 and two because if that's all you are going to do, you may as well use decks. People do seem to want to replicate what on screen to a controller, but when you've had hours of practice this simply doesn't matter.
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and do have two controllers well, you see, for a start thats more than I have and offers more hands on control. most people don't know what they want on their pizza let alone a controller. I know EXACTLY. Been thinking about it for a long time. I even toyed with the idea of getting my dad to build me one, but I dont think I can afford it. Sound to me that all you are missing is punching tracks in and out - but this can be done with easy - Do you get someone to put your records on for you Alex? Punching tracks in and out, yeah I am missing that - I dont mind that one, but I'd do away with using the mouse for that too if I could. But the big one is the effects - and more assignable buttons per channel. I NEED MORE BUTTONS! Most DJ's miss the point and just want what they've already had, the freedom is there, you just have to change... Oh believe me. I been thinking lots about what I *could* do with this. might take a couple of years to get there what with having 2 jobs, a girlfriend and a close affinity to the odd pint or two after work. I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG - THAT'S THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT ; ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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I just want a totally hands on interface - just as a dj mixer is. But I want it with all the features you use ableton for instead of decks - I still don't beleieve anyone makes one like this... Fiddling with your pc is just not spontaneous enough I dont think. No you don't..ever taken the wrong record off? If you had everything linked and controlled you'd only need to forget one thing for it to go tits - less is, indeed, more. Martin
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No you don't..ever taken the wrong record off? Yeah! I see what you mean, but, I still dont agree Martin: No you don't Alex: Yes I do Martin : No you don't Alex: Yes I do etc. I think it just boils down to personal preference - and I want some super rave box with large gearstick, steering wheel dvd fondue set etc. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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I've just called your Dad Alex, someone needs to give you a clip round the ear mate *lol* On 3 Dec 2004, at 12:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No you don't..ever taken the wrong record off? Yeah! I see what you mean, but, I still dont agree Martin: No you don't Alex: Yes I do Martin : No you don't Alex: Yes I do etc. I think it just boils down to personal preference - and I want some super rave box with large gearstick, steering wheel dvd fondue set etc. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Sasha
Sound to me that all you are missing is punching tracks in and out - but this can be done with easy - Do you get someone to put your records on for you Alex? Punching tracks in and out, yeah I am missing that - I dont mind that one, but I'd do away with using the mouse for that too if I could. But the big one is the effects - and more assignable buttons per channel. I NEED MORE BUTTONS Get a couple of these then: http://www.faderfox.com/Faderfox-Homepage_english/faderfox- homepage_english.html Martin
Re: (313) Sasha
Alex, are you assigning things to laptop keys as well? I do notice myself though, sometimes there's never enough knobs or sliders... maybe just need to get a 2nd controller though, rather than waiting for someone to make some GIGANTO-HYPER-UNIT that has a zillion buttons and knobs. Personally, I wish I could just highlight a channel without using the mouse, so I could see which effects are on or off before I bring in a new clip on the channel. ~David -- Original Message - Subject: Re: (313) Sasha Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:44:14 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Martin DPersonally - I think it's all rubbish - as you can use any controller with plenty of nobs and sliders - you just have to stop wanting to change it into decks 1 and two because if that's all you are going to do, you may as well use decks. Nah, thats rubbish Martin. I have a box (UC33). Its not bad - it could be better. The more stuff I can assign, the more time I have to do edits on the fly. It's not ideal though. Here's how I set it up. Each channel has EQ3, Auto Filter and Ping Pong delay on. I want to have total hands on control over the effects so I dont have to be fiddling around on the computer - its far more spontaneous and allows you to 'sound' better. I need effects on each channel, so you can use effects in the mix. (raw drums for example). Not sure about the decks one and two bit. I want to have loops running on a couple of channels, with effects, then 2 channels with songs on, yeah like decks a little. Don't see where the problem is there? You certainly cant use recoreds for what I want to do... I just want a totally hands on interface - just as a dj mixer is. But I want it with all the features you use ableton for instead of decks - I still don't beleieve anyone makes one like this... Fiddling with your pc is just not spontaneous enough I dont think. People do seem to want to replicate what on screen to a controller, but when you've had hours of practice this simply doesn't matter. I've just got a new computer. Its sh*t. I dont think I'll ever be able to control it quick enough to do what I want to do - its way too fiddly. Hands on is better, much much better. So, I dont agree. : ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Sasha
Alex, are you assigning things to laptop keys as well? I am indeed David. Personally, I wish I could just highlight a channel without using the mouse, so I could see which effects are on or off before I bring in a new clip on the channel. You can! (I think - if I understand you correctly) you can assign it to the keys. I have my channels on the keyboard on the qwerty line... e.g. press Q and the channel is highlighted and you can see what effects are on or off. ta alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) Ableton control (was RE: (313) Sasha)
What I reckon would sort me out is one of those tablet PCs with the touch screens - particularly the ones that are made with heavy rubber padding around them to make them robust and resilient. That way you could just lay the screen part of the laptop flat out in front of you, and control it by touching the screen. In Ableton that would work really well, I reckon; just put your finger on one of the faders, move it up down, then grab the crossfader and wiggle it about. Because it doesn't use right mouse buttons I don't think there'd be any real problems with using it through a touch-screen interface. From the point of view of the audience, it wouldn't be a hell of a lot different from watching someone work a turntable; one of the big problems with laptop performances is that the screen is positioned like a barrier between the artist and the crowd. Lay the screen out flat in front of the artist and it might as well be a 1200 for all the audience care. The drawback is that you couldn't do more than one thing at once - if that got sorted, though, and you had the equivalent of four mouse pointers running at once, that'd be a pretty good way of controlling Ableton. Chuck away the mouse and all your MIDI peripherals and just use the screen itself as the virtual mixer... Brendan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2004 15:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Sasha Alex, are you assigning things to laptop keys as well? I am indeed David. Personally, I wish I could just highlight a channel without using the mouse, so I could see which effects are on or off before I bring in a new clip on the channel. You can! (I think - if I understand you correctly) you can assign it to the keys. I have my channels on the keyboard on the qwerty line... e.g. press Q and the channel is highlighted and you can see what effects are on or off. ta alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Ableton control (was RE: (313) Sasha)
We have one of these B (it's a converted pub quiz machine), it doesn't like sweaty fingertips for a start and Ableton's screen detail is way to small for it to handle it properly. Still it would be fun turning you with two of them. Martin On 3 Dec 2004, at 15:41, Brendan Nelson wrote: What I reckon would sort me out is one of those tablet PCs with the touch screens - particularly the ones that are made with heavy rubber padding around them to make them robust and resilient. That way you could just lay the screen part of the laptop flat out in front of you, and control it by touching the screen. In Ableton that would work really well, I reckon; just put your finger on one of the faders, move it up down, then grab the crossfader and wiggle it about. Because it doesn't use right mouse buttons I don't think there'd be any real problems with using it through a touch-screen interface. From the point of view of the audience, it wouldn't be a hell of a lot different from watching someone work a turntable; one of the big problems with laptop performances is that the screen is positioned like a barrier between the artist and the crowd. Lay the screen out flat in front of the artist and it might as well be a 1200 for all the audience care. The drawback is that you couldn't do more than one thing at once - if that got sorted, though, and you had the equivalent of four mouse pointers running at once, that'd be a pretty good way of controlling Ableton. Chuck away the mouse and all your MIDI peripherals and just use the screen itself as the virtual mixer...
Re: (313) Ableton control (was RE: (313) Sasha)
check out what these smart kids did over @ M.I.T. http://web.media.mit.edu/~jpatten/audiopad/ they use a projector and a few other bits and bobs to control software. bb® Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I reckon would sort me out is one of those tablet PCs with the touch screens - particularly the ones that are made with heavy rubber padding around them to make them robust and resilient. That way you could just lay the screen part of the laptop flat out in front of you, and control it by touching the screen. In Ableton that would work really well, I reckon; just put your finger on one of the faders, move it up down, then grab the crossfader and wiggle it about. Because it doesn't use right mouse buttons I don't think there'd be any real problems with using it through a touch-screen interface. From the point of view of the audience, it wouldn't be a hell of a lot different from watching someone work a turntable; one of the big problems with laptop performances is that the screen is positioned like a barrier between the artist and the crowd. Lay the screen out flat in front of the artist and it might as well be a 1200 for all the audience care. The drawback is that you couldn't do more than one thing at once - if that got sorted, though, and you had the equivalent of four mouse pointers running at once, that'd be a pretty good way of controlling Ableton. Chuck away the mouse and all your MIDI peripherals and just use the screen itself as the virtual mixer... Brendan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2004 15:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Sasha Alex, are you assigning things to laptop keys as well? I am indeed David. Personally, I wish I could just highlight a channel without using the mouse, so I could see which effects are on or off before I bring in a new clip on the channel. You can! (I think - if I understand you correctly) you can assign it to the keys. I have my channels on the keyboard on the qwerty line... e.g. press Q and the channel is highlighted and you can see what effects are on or off. ta alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. benny blanco® blancodisco / nyc http://blancodisco.com
RE: (313) Ableton control (was RE: (313) Sasha)
I had a play with one of the Fujitsu prototypes just before it came out, and when it detected your finger near the screen a mouse pointer would appear - I didn't get to try Ableton on it, but had assumed that that would help deal with its fairly small interface elements. A nice pair of white gloves would deal with the sweaty- fingertip issue too... :) Brendan -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2004 15:50 To: Brendan Nelson Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Ableton control (was RE: (313) Sasha) We have one of these B (it's a converted pub quiz machine), it doesn't like sweaty fingertips for a start and Ableton's screen detail is way to small for it to handle it properly. Still it would be fun turning you with two of them. Martin On 3 Dec 2004, at 15:41, Brendan Nelson wrote: What I reckon would sort me out is one of those tablet PCs with the touch screens - particularly the ones that are made with heavy rubber padding around them to make them robust and resilient. That way you could just lay the screen part of the laptop flat out in front of you, and control it by touching the screen. In Ableton that would work really well, I reckon; just put your finger on one of the faders, move it up down, then grab the crossfader and wiggle it about. Because it doesn't use right mouse buttons I don't think there'd be any real problems with using it through a touch-screen interface. From the point of view of the audience, it wouldn't be a hell of a lot different from watching someone work a turntable; one of the big problems with laptop performances is that the screen is positioned like a barrier between the artist and the crowd. Lay the screen out flat in front of the artist and it might as well be a 1200 for all the audience care. The drawback is that you couldn't do more than one thing at once - if that got sorted, though, and you had the equivalent of four mouse pointers running at once, that'd be a pretty good way of controlling Ableton. Chuck away the mouse and all your MIDI peripherals and just use the screen itself as the virtual mixer...
Re: (313) Ableton control (was RE: (313) Sasha)
http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php LEMUR is a handy and modular touchpanel based controller designed for audio and multimedia real-time applications. Our technology associates multitouch capabilities with visual display. On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:41:35 -, Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I reckon would sort me out is one of those tablet PCs with the touch screens - particularly the ones that are made with heavy rubber padding around them to make them robust and resilient. That way you could just lay the screen part of the laptop flat out in front of you, and control it by touching the screen. In Ableton that would work really well, I reckon; just put your finger on one of the faders, move it up down, then grab the crossfader and wiggle it about. Because it doesn't use right mouse buttons I don't think there'd be any real problems with using it through a touch-screen interface. From the point of view of the audience, it wouldn't be a hell of a lot different from watching someone work a turntable; one of the big problems with laptop performances is that the screen is positioned like a barrier between the artist and the crowd. Lay the screen out flat in front of the artist and it might as well be a 1200 for all the audience care. The drawback is that you couldn't do more than one thing at once - if that got sorted, though, and you had the equivalent of four mouse pointers running at once, that'd be a pretty good way of controlling Ableton. Chuck away the mouse and all your MIDI peripherals and just use the screen itself as the virtual mixer... Brendan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 December 2004 15:38 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Sasha Alex, are you assigning things to laptop keys as well? I am indeed David. Personally, I wish I could just highlight a channel without using the mouse, so I could see which effects are on or off before I bring in a new clip on the channel. You can! (I think - if I understand you correctly) you can assign it to the keys. I have my channels on the keyboard on the qwerty line... e.g. press Q and the channel is highlighted and you can see what effects are on or off. ta alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Ableton control (was RE: (313) Sasha)
A nice pair of white gloves would deal with the sweaty- fingertip issue too... :) Any excuse to get them white gloves on... ;)
Re: (313) Ableton control (was RE: (313) Sasha)
On 3 Dec 2004, at 15:56, Edward George wrote: http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php LEMUR is a handy and modular touchpanel based controller designed for audio and multimedia real-time applications. Our technology associates multitouch capabilities with visual display. This is no good, it doesn't do knobs? *LOL* martin
Re: (313) Ableton control (was RE: (313) Sasha)
On Fri Dec 3 15:52 , 'benny blanco®' [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: check out what these smart kids did over @ M.I.T. http://web.media.mit.edu/~jpatten/audiopad/ they use a projector and a few other bits and bobs to control software. I had a play with this over the Summer at Museum Ars Electronica in Linz. Having seen the article when it originally came out, I was totally geeked when I saw they had it there. I waited for about 15 minutes for some idiots to finish making crap on it only to find that I could only get crap out of it myself. Basically, as an arrangement tool, I thought it was a fairly unintuitive way to work, and I really couldn't see any advantage in it other than the presentation. That said, if I had control over what went into it in the first place, it could be a reasonably fun way to shake things up creatively. Tristan
(313) tablet Re: (313) Ableton control (was RE: (313) Sasha)
Brendan Nelson wrote: What I reckon would sort me out is one of those tablet PCs with the touch screens - particularly the ones that are made with heavy rubber padding around them to make them robust and resilient. That way you could just lay the screen part of the laptop flat out in front of you, and control it by touching the screen. In Ableton that would work really well, I reckon; just put your finger on one of the faders, move it up down, then grab the crossfader and wiggle it about. Because it doesn't use right mouse buttons I don't think there'd be any real problems with using it through a touch-screen interface. From the point of view of the audience, it wouldn't be a hell of a lot different from watching someone work a turntable; one of the big problems with laptop performances is that the screen is positioned like a barrier between the artist and the crowd. Lay the screen out flat in front of the artist and it might as well be a 1200 for all the audience care. The drawback is that you couldn't do more than one thing at once - if that got sorted, though, and you had the equivalent of four mouse pointers running at once, that'd be a pretty good way of controlling Ableton. Chuck away the mouse and all your MIDI peripherals and just use the screen itself as the virtual mixer... Brendan i brought xingu hill and szkieve to halifax recently and both of them used unique setups: xingu hill used a tablet PC as you describe above: sat right in front of the audience so that you could see him with the tablet in his lap moving the sound files around and tweaking; szkieve used 3 PDAs and that's it! andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com
Re: (313) Sasha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get this - Sasha has designed an ableton live controller. I've got a funny feeling it could be alright. I think personally alot of controllers on the market at the mo. are pretty average. But this is specifically designed for the dj, and the comments I've read about it make me think it's worth looking at. Apparently its not out yet. Does anyone know of any preview blurb on it anywhere? or which company is making it? Hi Alex, I don't have any information on Sasha's Ableton Controller, I can gladly say that he hasn't dj'd in Portland for almost 10 years now (YES!) and I certainly don't buy his records, so you'll have to get more info elsewhere, but I doubt that Sasha's controller, would be any better then Richie Hawtin's cutom doepfer controller. I really like the layout of his controller, at least when it comes to using Ableton. Now if Dopefer/Richie/Ableton would distribute it, as it's a one off. http://www.doepfer.de/controller_example_2.JPG Cheers, Dave
