Re: (313) feelin' jaded
hmm . I find Techno the most exciting dance music that I listen too . but I don't know that many people who listen or even know much about Techno, not even assuming that I do. I play Techno to people at any given opportunity, and also talk about it as much as possible. This is pretty much the same as it has always been since I started dj'ing in New Zealand ten years ago. People are still learning, people still have never heard the music. // Kevin Sauderson is playing in Wellington this weekend coming. Sadly I can't make it. But most everyone I know from around the country is going to go, sort-of, don't know that many kids anymore. My friends are putting on the party though, so I'm always interested to find out how it goes down .. and also how many young people go along. Kids are so wary nowadays .. when you tell them a Dj is great. Cause every dj they ever saw was the best in the world. However in the instance of people like Kevin there is a real interesting and strong history which I think makes the music so dynamic. In the greater sense I'm not sure a lot of the younger audience are aware of the artistic wealth culture behind the music. They are not completely accustomed to appreciating Dj's in this way. Dj's commonly are party tools or big nights out. It takes people a while to realize that they really do like the music and have an interest in the culture beyond the small hours of the morning while juiced up. a friend of mine, a bob dylan fanatic, believes that people will still be listening to mr zimmerman in 300 years, can the same be said for atkins, may et al? I think the evolution of Techno is more akin to Jazz than say Bob Dylan. While an artist like Dylan, filled a social poet role in culture .. people like Atkins and May are pioneers before their time. Techno music reaches into a social void and creates a context for communication in a society where the conventional rules have been abused. I strongly believe that Techno music that creates discussion and supports experimental ideas will last extensively into a future where hard-dance and disco will never survive. Like Jazz, Techno will be a language for the natural intelligence. I become jaded when I relate what the music is now to what it was when I was say 22. I get very excited when I think about what the music will be when I am 65. My interest in the music, politics and culture has only grown stronger. My desire to stay up all night, dance, get boosted is waning. My skills to access, understand and provide music and culture to people are better than ever before. .simon in ireland, it is music that most people grow out of, unless they are a dj/producer, as priorities change - it's looked upon with disdain, as juvenile pap. even my girlfriend, who loves this music, is starting to find it monotonous and grating. on the rare occasions when a babysitter is available and we venture out, there is a sense of unease as we usually seem to be around a decade older than the rest of club crowd in dublin. --
RE: (313) feelin' jaded
you see it can happen, god on them and you for going to check em out ...its up to us to educate the kids so if kids aren't getting into the style then we are to blame... yea .. i've had this discussion with several people in NZ. ... and the process that you have to allow for a culture to develop. please have a read hear about my thoughts several years ago on the subject . https://www.obscure.co.nz/culture/cultural_trash In the article I refer to the generation hand on of dj's. Understanding some of this has gone a long way towards how I treat the scene. Back when I was 16 there was only one promoter and about 5 dj's in my hometown. I went to all the parties and they were on about every six weeks .. By the time I was 19, I was production crew for NZ biggest outdoor event. When we did this party ' no one had ever attempted to gather the dance scene together all at once. It was an awakening moment for the NZ dancefloor when 5000 people turned up to dance for two days. Since then . and that was 8 years ago . the scene got kind'a steroid driven and there are so many dj's events .. styles blah blah blah .. // I meet kids today who are fresh on the scene and they don't even realize that we put on big parties years ago .. they think dance music was invented with hardhouse. hmm. the point I guess I want to make is that . I felt jaded for years because I put so much energy in and saw so little back ... However nowadays I realize that I did everything I should have .. I planted a seed I put all my best intentions and ideas into all the events people I came across. Good music, good cultures grow. They are not promoted, advertised or delivered. They develop and evolve in real situations with real people .. and they exceed changes in trends, style and fashion. This is only the beginning for Techno . . the music the ideas the identity is not a fast food consumer one . .. globally there is a greater more passive interest in the music that younger people will seek out as they develop their own identities. To many thoughts not enough to explain .. trust the music. .simon -- .
Re: (313) feelin' jaded
With the earlier discussion about educating younger techno fans, i found it odd that no one brought up something that seemed to work in the past all around the Midwestern US. http://www.ele-mental.org/ele_ment/think/original/think.html My introduction to the Columbus crew occurred about the same time they published the original Think pamphlet, in 1995 or so. It's not flawless, and it requires a slightly curious mind (to read at a club, at least). But I think a lot of good was done, and I recall seeing lots of kids using their glowsticks to illuminate the pages of this small pamphlet near the smart drink stands at Michigan and Ohio parties in the 90s. More importantly the ele-mentals got it. There were fresh ideas and projects informed by history. Where the heck is Ed Luna these days anyway? If you don't know him, search 313 archives for some great background. Might be fun to see Think re-printed and scattered at parties where it is needed most. -- ian
Re: (313) feelin' jaded
-- Original Message -- From: Aidan O'Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] there has been a lot of discussion recently about how to get the younger (american) generation to listen to techno and that the majority of this list are over 25 (myself included). yeah, well i wouldnt say i was feeling jaded, just old. however, an interesting experience happened to me this weekend that made me feel motivated and warm inside. i was working at the record store on saturday when this kid came in the shop. he was asking about detroit house records. this is enough to arouse suspicion in my since no one does this usually, i have to force it upon them before they realise that its the bomb. so this guy is telling me about how he heard the 3 chairs play at movement last year and at the pontiac festival this year, and starts explaining to me who they were. i was like yo, i know who they are, you dont have to tell me. and he just kept on going, telling me about his friend who makes ambient techno and who also spins detroit house and techno, blah blah blah. so he tells me that he's spinning in the suburban pittsburgh community of brentwood that night, and that he and his friend would be playing the good stuff. i was pretty doubtful, but me and jwan decided to go out. it turns out that they both have pretty great records, even some harder to find stuff like the quadrant EP on r+s. they had few really questionable selections, and good knowledge of all different kinds of stuff. they were dropping some salsoul disco records, some prince, etc. their deejaying was not bad, but not excellent either. reguardless, brentwood is a crappy white trash type community, not known for any amount of culture. no one at the club (really corny club nonetheless) was really getting into it, but they werent leaving either. they explained to me that they were only 20, but had been buying records here and there for 4 years and had been playing them at all their friends' house parties, even though their friends didnt care. and you could totally tell that they had studied all their records very well, they knew them inside and out. theyve lived essentially in isolation in the burbs and developed a really good taste in music with almost no local influence. it was wild. anyway, theyre really cool kids and we should be helping them get some recognition locally. it just made me feel really good that even in a culturally devoid place like the suburbs of pgh, kids can pick up good music and really run with it. tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) feelin' jaded
you see it can happen, god on them and you for going to check em out...its up to us to educate the kids so if kids aren't getting into the style then we are to blame... -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 10/11/2004 5:11 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: Re: (313) feelin' jaded -- Original Message -- From: Aidan O'Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] there has been a lot of discussion recently about how to get the younger (american) generation to listen to techno and that the majority of this list are over 25 (myself included). yeah, well i wouldnt say i was feeling jaded, just old. however, an interesting experience happened to me this weekend that made me feel motivated and warm inside. i was working at the record store on saturday when this kid came in the shop. he was asking about detroit house records. this is enough to arouse suspicion in my since no one does this usually, i have to force it upon them before they realise that its the bomb. so this guy is telling me about how he heard the 3 chairs play at movement last year and at the pontiac festival this year, and starts explaining to me who they were. i was like yo, i know who they are, you dont have to tell me. and he just kept on going, telling me about his friend who makes ambient techno and who also spins detroit house and techno, blah blah blah. so he tells me that he's spinning in the suburban pittsburgh community of brentwood that night, and that he and his friend would be playing the good stuff. i was pretty doubtful, but me and jwan decided to go out. it turns out that they both have pretty great records, even some harder to find stuff like the quadrant EP on r+s. they had few really questionable selections, and good knowledge of all different kinds of stuff. they were dropping some salsoul disco records, some prince, etc. their deejaying was not bad, but not excellent either. reguardless, brentwood is a crappy white trash type community, not known for any amount of culture. no one at the club (really corny club nonetheless) was really getting into it, but they werent leaving either. they explained to me that they were only 20, but had been buying records here and there for 4 years and had been playing them at all their friends' house parties, even though their friends didnt care. and you could totally tell that they had studied all their records very well, they knew them inside and out. theyve lived essentially in isolation in the burbs and developed a really good taste in music with almost no local influence. it was wild. anyway, theyre really cool kids and we should be helping them get some recognition locally. it just made me feel really good that even in a culturally devoid place like the suburbs of pgh, kids can pick up good music and really run with it. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) feelin' jaded
wow - that is a great little bit of real life there. They probably feel about the same as Juan, Eddie, Derrick and Kevin did. puts a smile on my face to know that they aren't giving up on it just because their peers aren't understanding what they're doing. Chancesa are they are going to be people to watch... MEK To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: bcc: Subject:Re: (313) feelin' jaded Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/2004 12:11 AST Please respond to death font size=-1/font -- Original Message -- From: Aidan O'Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] there has been a lot of discussion recently about how to get the younger (american) generation to listen to techno and that the majority of this list are over 25 (myself included). yeah, well i wouldnt say i was feeling jaded, just old. however, an interesting experience happened to me this weekend that made me feel motivated and warm inside. i was working at the record store on saturday when this kid came in the shop. he was asking about detroit house records. this is enough to arouse suspicion in my since no one does this usually, i have to force it upon them before they realise that its the bomb. so this guy is telling me about how he heard the 3 chairs play at movement last year and at the pontiac festival this year, and starts explaining to me who they were. i was like yo, i know who they are, you dont have to tell me. and he just kept on going, telling me about his friend who makes ambient techno and who also spins detroit house and techno, blah blah blah. so he tells me that he's spinning in the suburban pittsburgh community of brentwood that night, and that he and his friend would be playing the good stuff. i was pretty doubtful, but me and jwan decided to go out. it turns out that they both have pretty great records, even some harder to find stuff like the quadrant EP on r+s. they had few really questionable selections, and good knowledge of all different kinds of stuff. they were dropping some salsoul disco records, some prince, etc. their deejaying was not bad, but not excellent either. reguardless, brentwood is a crappy white trash type community, not known for any amount of culture. no one at the club (really corny club nonetheless) was really getting into it, but they werent leaving either. they explained to me that they were only 20, but had been buying records here and there for 4 years and had been playing them at all their friends' house parties, even though their friends didnt care. and you could totally tell that they had studied all their records very well, they knew them inside and out. theyve lived essentially in isolation in the burbs and developed a really good taste in music with almost no local influence. it was wild. anyway, theyre really cool kids and we should be helping them get some recognition locally. it just made me feel really good that even in a culturally devoid place like the suburbs of pgh, kids can pick up good music and really run with it. tom andythepooh.com
