RE: [313] hard house?
warning, this thread is moving farther and farther away from Detroit and techno so you may want to stop here unless you want to toss around theories about how this present hard/progressive house sound -- best illustrated by the recent blasphemous rape of Green Velvet's Flash -- is going to work out... I think a lot of them are turning to what's being called hard house because it doesn't have as much of the clichéd (aka cheese) stuff that makes so many people dis trance. In other words, it's a safer sound, a sort of compromise between trance and Relief-style hard house. If you're thinking those remixes are Relief-style house you need to hear more Relief releases. I'd like to see them fit an early Paul Johnson, Gemini, or Cajmere w/Dajae into their sets. Then I want to hear them do it without Pro-Tools! Ya, you guys busted me. I haven't heard many Relief records and am basing my statements purely on my ever-handy yet often inaccurate schemas. Assuming that Fred's below-listed schema is much more in tune with the traditional sound of hard house than my ill-applied analogy to Green Velvet -- I think that the popular hard house (stuff on Groovaliscious, Tripoli Trax, etc.) just took the big 909 bass kick and maybe a handclap here or there, added the old sound of the Hoover and put it all into a echo box and threw in some chorus to beef up the sound so it sounds BIG and echoey to fill big commercial clubs with silly drink specials. The sense of danger and sheer F_R_E_A_K is all but gone... -- I'm going to make the argument that a lot of the trance guys are moving to this style of hard house with a Euro-tweaked, trance-like accessible gloss strictly as a conservative way to avoid the increasing trance backlash. It's no coincidence that tracks such as Flash are being integrated into their aesthetic via compromising remixes and also that producers such as Timo Maas are so popular at the moment: In a way, these guys are playing it conservative with Euro-hard house until this trance trend subsides so that they don't fall victim to backlash. I may get flamed to death for saying this, but I think progressive house/hard house is probably the dullest music out there. It has no esoteric qualities and takes no risks (as cheesy as progressive trance may be, it at least get eccentric, though often for the worse). Yet the fact that this recent UK hard house sound being championed by the likes of Tall Paul and his other generic followers is so intentionally conservative/bland/non-esoteric makes it perfect for populist audiences. Top off a set of it with whatever that particular week's anthem is, and you've got a set all the clubbers go home happy with. ***note*** I know this is off-topic, but off-topic topics seem to be the more interesting topics this week; it's no coincidence everyone's going off on tangents. P.S. Why the hell did Green Velvet ever let Timo Maas of all people remix his trademark track? No offense to the guy -- I love his music -- but I don't think he could have picked a better artist to alienate himself from all the purists.
Re: [313] hard house alanis style
speaking of hardhousehas angel alanis put out any good hard house lately? i guess its not 313 related but uhhit is midwest ;) -v _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] hard house alanis style
It's been at least a year or two since I've heard or seen any hard house from Angel Alanis. Most of his recent releases have been underground dub house tracks, I'd venture to say that's the niche he's busy carving his name into for now. Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com speaking of hardhousehas angel alanis put out any good hard house lately? i guess its not 313 related but uhhit is midwest ;) -v
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Check this Angel set out... http://www.bassdrop.com/angel/angel.ram bottom of page Fred From: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] hard house alanis style Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:32:34 -0500 It's been at least a year or two since I've heard or seen any hard house from Angel Alanis. Most of his recent releases have been underground dub house tracks, I'd venture to say that's the niche he's busy carving his name into for now. Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com speaking of hardhousehas angel alanis put out any good hard house lately? i guess its not 313 related but uhhit is midwest ;) -v - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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in feb or mar he produced a wierd psyhadelic trance record. i have to admit it was OK...heard it on satellite records web page. jeff -Original Message- From: Matthew L. Thompson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 5:33 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] hard house alanis style It's been at least a year or two since I've heard or seen any hard house from Angel Alanis. Most of his recent releases have been underground dub house tracks, I'd venture to say that's the niche he's busy carving his name into for now. Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com speaking of hardhousehas angel alanis put out any good hard house lately? i guess its not 313 related but uhhit is midwest ;) -v - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] hard house?
-Original Message- From: Kyle J Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:59 PM Subject: [313] hard house? since it has been brought up lately. . is there a general consensus on what hard house consists of? i've heard it used to describe a traditionally 'housey' type sound, but more dark or sinister, something along the lines of what magda and derek plaslaiko spin, and what frankie bones seems to be spinning lately. then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. can someone help me with my genres please. . . piece. kyle The consensus a few months ago was that both terms exist, and maybe more than that. Truth is, nobody knows what it is, and everyone thinks they do. I think it's Relief vs. Cajual, for instance. Think Lester Fitzpatrick of faster Paul Johnson without the ghetto samples. My favorite hard house song as I understand the term is DJ Elin's Mad Cow. It's kinda like saying hard techno to someone, but probably even more confusing. It could mean a lot of things depending on where you are and what you know. Hard House is definitely confusing though... when in doubt, remember, it's just a label. When that label becomes so confusing that there is no consensus on what it means, you may want to chose another way to describe what you're talking about, or qualify what you're saying. Tristan _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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I personally have only heard the term used to describe the uk high nrg sound you mention. -Original Message- From: Kyle J Dupuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2000 03:59 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] hard house? since it has been brought up lately. . is there a general consensus on what hard house consists of? i've heard it used to describe a traditionally 'housey' type sound, but more dark or sinister, something along the lines of what magda and derek plaslaiko spin, and what frankie bones seems to be spinning lately. then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. can someone help me with my genres please. . . piece. kyle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Indeed it seems that there is a difference between the US approach of Hard House. Here in Europe Hard House is fast uptempo cheesy trance-like music, not really a 313 topic at all. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I personally have only heard the term used to describe the uk high nrg sound you mention. -Original Message- From: Kyle J Dupuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2000 03:59 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] hard house? since it has been brought up lately. . is there a general consensus on what hard house consists of? i've heard it used to describe a traditionally 'housey' type sound, but more dark or sinister, something along the lines of what magda and derek plaslaiko spin, and what frankie bones seems to be spinning lately. then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. can someone help me with my genres please. . . piece. kyle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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it depends on what country you are in...perfect example of hard house in the US is Bad Boy Bill...progressive and trance would be UK hard House...just to make it easy jeff -Original Message- From: Kyle J Dupuy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 7:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] hard house? since it has been brought up lately. . is there a general consensus on what hard house consists of? i've heard it used to describe a traditionally 'housey' type sound, but more dark or sinister, something along the lines of what magda and derek plaslaiko spin, and what frankie bones seems to be spinning lately. then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. can someone help me with my genres please. . . piece. kyle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So If an American asks me if I like Hard House, instead of looking at him in disgust (whick is what I would normally do being from uk and knowing only UK hard house), I will simply say I have never heard it. -Original Message- From: FC3 Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2000 15:41 To: 'Kyle J Dupuy' Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: [313] hard house? it depends on what country you are in...perfect example of hard house in the US is Bad Boy Bill...progressive and trance would be UK hard House...just to make it easy jeff -Original Message- From:Kyle J Dupuy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Tuesday, October 03, 2000 7:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] hard house? since it has been brought up lately. . is there a general consensus on what hard house consists of? i've heard it used to describe a traditionally 'housey' type sound, but more dark or sinister, something along the lines of what magda and derek plaslaiko spin, and what frankie bones seems to be spinning lately. then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. can someone help me with my genres please. . . piece. kyle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] hard house?
That's what happened to me, when I picked up a Hard-House Tape in the UK expecting to find dark sinister house bordering on Techno and ending up with a tape mixed by Tony De Vit (RIP). Totally disgusted. JayCee -Original Message- From: Lawton David [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 12:49 PM To: 'FC3 Richards'; 'Kyle J Dupuy' Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject:RE: [313] hard house? So If an American asks me if I like Hard House, instead of looking at him in disgust (whick is what I would normally do being from uk and knowing only UK hard house), I will simply say I have never heard it. -Original Message- From: FC3 Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2000 15:41 To: 'Kyle J Dupuy' Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: [313] hard house? it depends on what country you are in...perfect example of hard house in the US is Bad Boy Bill...progressive and trance would be UK hard House...just to make it easy jeff -Original Message- From:Kyle J Dupuy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Tuesday, October 03, 2000 7:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] hard house? since it has been brought up lately. . is there a general consensus on what hard house consists of? i've heard it used to describe a traditionally 'housey' type sound, but more dark or sinister, something along the lines of what magda and derek plaslaiko spin, and what frankie bones seems to be spinning lately. then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. can someone help me with my genres please. . . piece. kyle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I used to play some hard house in 04-95. I referred to it as NY Hard house because every producer was from there. Old DJ Duke, Van Helton. I also considered old Laid Bake Luke and crew to fit in there... You know, really really basic boring house with a distorted kick drum, but a little different than all this tracky crap coming out now... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - Original Message - From: Lawton David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 2:22 AM Subject: RE: [313] hard house? I personally have only heard the term used to describe the uk high nrg sound you mention. -Original Message- From: Kyle J Dupuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2000 03:59 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] hard house? since it has been brought up lately. . is there a general consensus on what hard house consists of? i've heard it used to describe a traditionally 'housey' type sound, but more dark or sinister, something along the lines of what magda and derek plaslaiko spin, and what frankie bones seems to be spinning lately. then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. can someone help me with my genres please. . . piece. kyle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. I'm just wondering if the record label HartHouse wasn't in some way responsible (intentionally or not) for the common use of hard house to describe trance in Europe. Or have I taken too much cold medicine? -- There4IM
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Hard house used to be kind of underground house meets techno meets progressive and yes very dark. For an example of what Hard House used to be, check Flying Rhino records and artists like Venom and Bus. However, hard house has recently become a word used for what was previously known as NuNRG 'cept it's slightly more commercial (Nukleuz Records). This is one of the reasons why I stopped playing goa and hard house. I was only really looking for detroit anyway, but I want to try everything at least once:) l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- Kyle J Dupuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since it has been brought up lately. . is there a general consensus on what hard house consists of? i've heard it used to describe a traditionally 'housey' type sound, but more dark or sinister, something along the lines of what magda and derek plaslaiko spin, and what frankie bones seems to be spinning lately. then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. can someone help me with my genres please. . . piece. kyle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
RE: [313] hard house?
Wow where have I been? I'm such an ignorant yankee. Indeed it seems that there is a difference between the US approach of Hard House. Here in Europe Hard House is fast uptempo cheesy trance-like music, not really a 313 topic at all. [EMAIL PROTECTED] I personally have only heard the term used to describe the uk high nrg sound you mention. -Original Message- From: Kyle J Dupuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2000 03:59 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] hard house? since it has been brought up lately. . is there a general consensus on what hard house consists of? i've heard it used to describe a traditionally 'housey' type sound, but more dark or sinister, something along the lines of what magda and derek plaslaiko spin, and what frankie bones seems to be spinning lately. then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. can someone help me with my genres please. . . piece. kyle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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i actually prefer the uk house over the domestic stuff. that domestic stuff gets old after 16 beats. mike d.
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This may be weird irony, but I was just thinking about this very topic after seeing some headline on the cover of some UK mag and now as I tread through the new Tall Paul mix (it's for work, not pleasure...) For example, all the Timo Maas remixes of Green Velvet's Flash have been getting tons of play on all the new progressive house/trance mixes that have come out the past few months (Tall Paul, Dave Ralph, Scott Henry, Gatecrasher, Deep Dish, etc). The original version of Flash fits my original schema of hard house as we define it here in America. Yet these Timo Maas remixes seem to be ultra-trendy with all the progressive house/trance DJs; they have all the gloss and tweaking of trance but without the synths or breakdowns. I can't define what is and what isn't hard house, since it's an ambiguous term, but I do believe that a lot of these trance guys are coming to their senses a bit and getting tired of all the formulaic trance that has flooded the market for the past 2-3 years. I think a lot of them are turning to what's being called hard house because it doesn't have as much of the clichéd (aka cheese) stuff that makes so many people dis trance. In other words, it's a safer sound, a sort of compromise between trance and Relief-style hard house. -Original Message- From: Kyle J Dupuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] hard house? since it has been brought up lately. . is there a general consensus on what hard house consists of? i've heard it used to describe a traditionally 'housey' type sound, but more dark or sinister, something along the lines of what magda and derek plaslaiko spin, and what frankie bones seems to be spinning lately. then i've also heard the term applied to a completely different kind of sound, namely that uk, high nrg, trancey type sound. can someone help me with my genres please. . . piece. kyle - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I can't define what is and what isn't hard house, since it's an ambiguous term, but I do believe that a lot of these trance guys are coming to their senses a bit and getting tired of all the formulaic trance that has flooded the market for the past 2-3 years. I think a lot of them are turning to what's being called hard house because it doesn't have as much of the clich?d (aka cheese) stuff that makes so many people dis trance. In other words, it's a safer sound, a sort of compromise between trance and Relief-style hard house. from what i understand, UK hard house is a completely different entity from US hard house. UK hard house is basically harder progressive house, whereas US hardhouse is bad boy bill, richard humpty vission, dj bam-bam, dj irene, some dj funk, etc. glyn
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Hugh G. Blaze wrote: Wow where have I been? I'm such an ignorant yankee. not to vancouver, apparently. we're supposedly the UK hard-house/Nu-NRG capital of north america-- not that that's really anything to be bragging about... *shudder* glyn
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Ahhh, don't forget LA-based Matt Johnson, and also DJ Trajic and Alex Peace. :) I don't know if tha D ever took to the hard house sound much at all, but not so long ago it was really big in Chicago. I don't hear much new hard house coming out anymore, although from what I've seen, what's left of it seems to be coming out of LA/SoCal, so I'm guessing it still must remain fairly popular our there. I'll agree with whoever it was (earlier in this thread) that pointed out that you can identify hard house by what basically consists of a housy-looped track and a deep distorted bass beat. I don't find that hard house contains much of the melodies or ambience you'll find built into techno, but many of the songs from both genres blend in together well. Unfortuantely, I think the mostly loopy/repetitive nature of hard house tends to burn most people out on it after a while. The better DJ's that spin it will mix into a track and then get right back out of it and into another, it's not something you'd want to listen to over and over again for 7 or 8 straight minutes. Even though it doesn't seem to be as popular anymore, it's not dead... I spoke with Alex Peace a while back and he said that he and Bam Bam (Eric Cea) were trying to take it in the direction of a more minimal sound... I haven't really heard anything that might be considered the result of this yet, but time will tell I suppose. Matt E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://magicmattkelly.tripod.com Although Bill hasn't played Hard House for the past couple of years, I'm sure you can include DJ Irene, DJ Bam Bam, Kevin Irving and Mark V Poogie Bear to the list of people who helped promote that sound. BTW, can anyone explain why this genre is so popular in Souther California? To me Hard House sounds like Hardcore. Ciao, Joel
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This may be weird irony, but I was just thinking about this very topic after seeing some headline on the cover of some UK mag and now as I tread through the new Tall Paul mix (it's for work, not pleasure...) Suuure. keep on telling yourself that! ;) I can't define what is and what isn't hard house, since it's an ambiguous term, but I do believe that a lot of these trance guys are coming to their senses a bit and getting tired of all the formulaic trance that has flooded the market for the past 2-3 years. I think a lot of them are turning to what's being called hard house because it doesn't have as much of the clichéd (aka cheese) stuff that makes so many people dis trance. In other words, it's a safer sound, a sort of compromise between trance and Relief-style hard house. First, please do not insult one of my favorite labels by comparing it to trance music in the UK. Second, it doesn't matter what horrible music those DJ's hide under. Bad music is bad music, you can't hide from that fact, jak! Peace, Kyeo NP: Stars. Fingers Inc. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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you guys are an absolute wealth of information on hard house : how fortunate am i to drink from such a veritable fountain! - Original Message - From: Dr. Nick Riviera [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 8:13 AM Subject: RE: [313] hard house? This may be weird irony, but I was just thinking about this very topic after seeing some headline on the cover of some UK mag and now as I tread through the new Tall Paul mix (it's for work, not pleasure...) Suuure. keep on telling yourself that! ;) I can't define what is and what isn't hard house, since it's an ambiguous term, but I do believe that a lot of these trance guys are coming to their senses a bit and getting tired of all the formulaic trance that has flooded the market for the past 2-3 years. I think a lot of them are turning to what's being called hard house because it doesn't have as much of the clichéd (aka cheese) stuff that makes so many people dis trance. In other words, it's a safer sound, a sort of compromise between trance and Relief-style hard house. First, please do not insult one of my favorite labels by comparing it to trance music in the UK. Second, it doesn't matter what horrible music those DJ's hide under. Bad music is bad music, you can't hide from that fact, jak! Peace, Kyeo NP: Stars. Fingers Inc. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Hard House... (?!?!?!?)
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok. recently I have been getting into the UK hard house stuff. lisa lashes, tom harding, judge jules(more trancy), fergi..stuff like that. any1 know any good websites? or just know any info on this stuff? any US dj's spin this?? mike d. ummm... maybe there is a Hard house mailing list... I've been there, done that in my goa days. Everyone is into hard house around here... Lisa Lashes is coming to our local club Ikon and Diva shortly. Previous guests to Ikon have been Jason Donovan, S Club 7 and the Galaxy FM crew. They all kinda interconnect in my mind... Err, yeah and Julesy rocks yeah, err... bangin' as they say... I think.. hm. Hey, you wanna come to Gatecrasher with me?. I'd like to take this chance to warn you away from the commercialist dj's. John 00 Fleming is okay I spose... sheesh, what am I saying?!?!?!?!?!??!?! Nick (Dj Pacific:) Ps. You're joking right? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/
