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Agreed. I didn't think I would ever see people body surfing to Mills *shudder*. It seemed like there were less candy kids (although still more than I would care for...) and more frat boy/sketchy-red neck types (forgive the blatantly rude stereotyping...) Other than that, only postive things to say. I think they did a great job with the sound and production on the various stages. Much better set up than in the past. Only made it to one after party--the Speedy J et al and it did not dissapoint. Nice vibe and set up at St. Andrews. Props to Derrick and his crew for pulling off a great event on such short notice. I hope he recoops the money he put out. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:32:29 -0500 the Freep article on Tuesday had something like - it seemed like more of an excuse for kids to cut loose away from parental supervision - (I'm paraphrasing) I agreed wholeheartedly with the statement. MEK Carissa Tintinalli To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: mail.comSubject: Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing 05/28/03 03:05 PM I was at the Pontch as well for the second year in a row and it was WAY more out of control this year. Last year, there was a big Judo convention at Cobo and many of those attendees were in the hotel. Also, all of the National Guard (about 100) that were helping with border security at the time were staying there as well. So no matter where you went, you were surrounded by people who could kick your arse if you acted up. As for the crowd surfing and moshing, we were discussing this at the media tent on Monday. I don't remember seeing it quite that bad in previous years. Two of the people I was working with were from a local media relations firm and not familiar with the techno scene. The rest of us were explaining that we were just as stunned as that is NOT something electronic music fans are into. I blame it on local teenagers who only came down because there was something going on at Hart Plaza. _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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Responses to MEK -- (1) I thought technomoshpits would never happen. I was wrong :) (2) The Ponch was mostly OK from my POV, but I didn't venture above my 6th floor abode except once to visit some friends. The patio party was right below my window and fortunately I saw almost none of it since I only visited my room briefly between noon and 6 am :) However, it looked about as chee-zee as you'd expect, although some good people like 313er DJ Nova played. The hotel looked less trashed than last year overall. There were a couple idiots out in the hall around 2:30 Monday night/Tuesday morning banging on a door and making a big fuss, but no big deal. I usually stay at the old Best Western (currently Ambassador, soon to be rebranded as a Holiday Inn Express but the same management), and I'll probably just go back there again. There are some advantages with the Ponch but the rooms that look out up Washington Blvd from the Ambassador are my favorite view in the city of Detroit. And I want to watch the progress on bringing the Book Cadillac back to life, where I stayed on my first Detroit trip in 1983 :) fred
Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing
I was at the Pontch as well for the second year in a row and it was WAY more out of control this year. Last year, there was a big Judo convention at Cobo and many of those attendees were in the hotel. Also, all of the National Guard (about 100) that were helping with border security at the time were staying there as well. So no matter where you went, you were surrounded by people who could kick your arse if you acted up. As for the crowd surfing and moshing, we were discussing this at the media tent on Monday. I don't remember seeing it quite that bad in previous years. Two of the people I was working with were from a local media relations firm and not familiar with the techno scene. The rest of us were explaining that we were just as stunned as that is NOT something electronic music fans are into. I blame it on local teenagers who only came down because there was something going on at Hart Plaza. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:42:00 -0500 so the only low points for us were the attitudes and actions of a large number of people staying at the Pontchartrain. One couple apparently arrived well after their check-in time and lost their reservation - at which point the female of the couple proceeded to call the poor desk clerk every name in the book. We later saw her and her boyfriend fighting. The hallways were trashed, etc. I don't think the party on the terrace level helped in any way. Anyone go to that? The feeling in the hotel was more Miami/WMC than Detroit I thought. The two rooms on both sides of us were busted early Sunday morning and I think everyone was kicked out because it was really quiet after that. We heard several people (during the long elevator rides) saying they were being kicked out of the hotel. Hey Fred, you were staying there too - your thoughts? MEK p.s. so did a bus load of Pearl Jam fans make up portion of the crowd at the main stage? _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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the Freep article on Tuesday had something like - it seemed like more of an excuse for kids to cut loose away from parental supervision - (I'm paraphrasing) I agreed wholeheartedly with the statement. MEK Carissa Tintinalli To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: mail.comSubject: Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing 05/28/03 03:05 PM I was at the Pontch as well for the second year in a row and it was WAY more out of control this year. Last year, there was a big Judo convention at Cobo and many of those attendees were in the hotel. Also, all of the National Guard (about 100) that were helping with border security at the time were staying there as well. So no matter where you went, you were surrounded by people who could kick your arse if you acted up. As for the crowd surfing and moshing, we were discussing this at the media tent on Monday. I don't remember seeing it quite that bad in previous years. Two of the people I was working with were from a local media relations firm and not familiar with the techno scene. The rest of us were explaining that we were just as stunned as that is NOT something electronic music fans are into. I blame it on local teenagers who only came down because there was something going on at Hart Plaza. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:42:00 -0500 so the only low points for us were the attitudes and actions of a large number of people staying at the Pontchartrain. One couple apparently arrived well after their check-in time and lost their reservation - at which point the female of the couple proceeded to call the poor desk clerk every name in the book. We later saw her and her boyfriend fighting. The hallways were trashed, etc. I don't think the party on the terrace level helped in any way. Anyone go to that? The feeling in the hotel was more Miami/WMC than Detroit I thought. The two rooms on both sides of us were busted early Sunday morning and I think everyone was kicked out because it was really quiet after that. We heard several people (during the long elevator rides) saying they were being kicked out of the hotel. Hey Fred, you were staying there too - your thoughts? MEK p.s. so did a bus load of Pearl Jam fans make up portion of the crowd at the main stage? _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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here is the article, in case anyone wants to read it. http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/move27_20030527.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:32 PM To: Carissa Tintinalli Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing the Freep article on Tuesday had something like - it seemed like more of an excuse for kids to cut loose away from parental supervision - (I'm paraphrasing) I agreed wholeheartedly with the statement. MEK Carissa Tintinalli To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: mail.comSubject: Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing 05/28/03 03:05 PM I was at the Pontch as well for the second year in a row and it was WAY more out of control this year. Last year, there was a big Judo convention at Cobo and many of those attendees were in the hotel. Also, all of the National Guard (about 100) that were helping with border security at the time were staying there as well. So no matter where you went, you were surrounded by people who could kick your arse if you acted up. As for the crowd surfing and moshing, we were discussing this at the media tent on Monday. I don't remember seeing it quite that bad in previous years. Two of the people I was working with were from a local media relations firm and not familiar with the techno scene. The rest of us were explaining that we were just as stunned as that is NOT something electronic music fans are into. I blame it on local teenagers who only came down because there was something going on at Hart Plaza. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:42:00 -0500 so the only low points for us were the attitudes and actions of a large number of people staying at the Pontchartrain. One couple apparently arrived well after their check-in time and lost their reservation - at which point the female of the couple proceeded to call the poor desk clerk every name in the book. We later saw her and her boyfriend fighting. The hallways were trashed, etc. I don't think the party on the terrace level helped in any way. Anyone go to that? The feeling in the hotel was more Miami/WMC than Detroit I thought. The two rooms on both sides of us were busted early Sunday morning and I think everyone was kicked out because it was really quiet after that. We heard several people (during the long elevator rides) saying they were being kicked out of the hotel. Hey Fred, you were staying there too - your thoughts? MEK p.s. so did a bus load of Pearl Jam fans make up portion of the crowd at the main stage? _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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Ah - there it is Amid all the sublime sensations, however, you got the feeling that for many teenage festival-goers, the event has become less about music and dancing than about escaping from the parents to cut loose -- often to excess. Dennis Donohue [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' urance.com [EMAIL PROTECTED], Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/03 03:44 PMcc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing here is the article, in case anyone wants to read it. http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/move27_20030527.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:32 PM To: Carissa Tintinalli Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing the Freep article on Tuesday had something like - it seemed like more of an excuse for kids to cut loose away from parental supervision - (I'm paraphrasing) I agreed wholeheartedly with the statement. MEK Carissa Tintinalli To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: mail.comSubject: Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing 05/28/03 03:05 PM I was at the Pontch as well for the second year in a row and it was WAY more out of control this year. Last year, there was a big Judo convention at Cobo and many of those attendees were in the hotel. Also, all of the National Guard (about 100) that were helping with border security at the time were staying there as well. So no matter where you went, you were surrounded by people who could kick your arse if you acted up. As for the crowd surfing and moshing, we were discussing this at the media tent on Monday. I don't remember seeing it quite that bad in previous years. Two of the people I was working with were from a local media relations firm and not familiar with the techno scene. The rest of us were explaining that we were just as stunned as that is NOT something electronic music fans are into. I blame it on local teenagers who only came down because there was something going on at Hart Plaza. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:42:00 -0500 so the only low points for us were the attitudes and actions of a large number of people staying at the Pontchartrain. One couple apparently arrived well after their check-in time and lost their reservation - at which point the female of the couple proceeded to call the poor desk clerk every name in the book. We later saw her and her boyfriend fighting. The hallways were trashed, etc. I don't think the party on the terrace level helped in any way. Anyone go to that? The feeling in the hotel was more Miami/WMC than Detroit I thought. The two rooms on both sides of us were busted early Sunday morning and I think everyone was kicked out because it was really quiet after that. We heard several people (during the long elevator rides) saying they were being kicked out of the hotel. Hey Fred, you were staying there too - your thoughts? MEK p.s. so did a bus load of Pearl Jam fans make up portion of the crowd at the main stage? _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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this was prbably the least wastyed i've seen hart plaza since the first year. at least there were no massage trains over by the fountain. On Wed, 28 May 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah - there it is Amid all the sublime sensations, however, you got the feeling that for many teenage festival-goers, the event has become less about music and dancing than about escaping from the parents to cut loose -- often to excess. Dennis Donohue [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' urance.com [EMAIL PROTECTED], Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/03 03:44 PMcc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing here is the article, in case anyone wants to read it. http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/move27_20030527.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:32 PM To: Carissa Tintinalli Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing the Freep article on Tuesday had something like - it seemed like more of an excuse for kids to cut loose away from parental supervision - (I'm paraphrasing) I agreed wholeheartedly with the statement. MEK Carissa Tintinalli To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: mail.comSubject: Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing 05/28/03 03:05 PM I was at the Pontch as well for the second year in a row and it was WAY more out of control this year. Last year, there was a big Judo convention at Cobo and many of those attendees were in the hotel. Also, all of the National Guard (about 100) that were helping with border security at the time were staying there as well. So no matter where you went, you were surrounded by people who could kick your arse if you acted up. As for the crowd surfing and moshing, we were discussing this at the media tent on Monday. I don't remember seeing it quite that bad in previous years. Two of the people I was working with were from a local media relations firm and not familiar with the techno scene. The rest of us were explaining that we were just as stunned as that is NOT something electronic music fans are into. I blame it on local teenagers who only came down because there was something going on at Hart Plaza. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:42:00 -0500 so the only low points for us were the attitudes and actions of a large number of people staying at the Pontchartrain. One couple apparently arrived well after their check-in time and lost their reservation - at which point the female of the couple proceeded to call the poor desk clerk every name in the book. We later saw her and her boyfriend fighting. The hallways were trashed, etc. I don't think the party on the terrace level helped in any way. Anyone go to that? The feeling in the hotel was more Miami/WMC than Detroit I thought. The two rooms on both sides of us were busted early Sunday morning and I think everyone was kicked out because it was really quiet after that. We heard several people (during the long elevator rides) saying they were being kicked out of the hotel. Hey Fred, you were staying there too - your thoughts? MEK p.s. so did a bus load of Pearl Jam fans make up portion of the crowd at the main stage? _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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On the body surfing - we did notice that. It made the crowd seem very frat-boy-like. It seemed to be in full effect during the Jeff Mills set the last night. There were also really rude people coming through the crowd pushing their way through, not saying excuse me - and there was plenty of room where we were dancing. There was a guy with a little girl (his daughter maybe) of about 4-5 years old who almost got knocked over. Tall guys would just come up and stand right in front of you and then get attitude if you asked them politely to move 2 inches to the left or right so you could see (and again, there was plenty of room around). One guy did that to me and when I said 'hey dude you're blocking my view' he said 'well you can move' - so I looked at him kinda nasty and then he left. Some friends from Vancouver commented how rude the American crowd was. It wasn't the first time I'd heard that sadly. To be fair, there were many nice people too. One guy helped me climb up on something that was a bit too high for me to reach. :) I just wrote up something I'll post in a sec regarding the Pontch I totally agree w/ you on this. We thought it might be fun to see Digital Underground but the crowd there was so scary between that and the $10 entry fee we said forget it. We could hear the music from our room half the time it was decent the rest it was total cheesy club (imo). lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so the only low points for us were the attitudes and actions of a large number of people staying at the Pontchartrain. One couple apparently arrived well after their check-in time and lost their reservation - at which point the female of the couple proceeded to call the poor desk clerk every name in the book. We later saw her and her boyfriend fighting. The hallways were trashed, etc. I don't think the party on the terrace level helped in any way. Anyone go to that? The feeling in the hotel was more Miami/WMC than Detroit I thought. The two rooms on both sides of us were busted early Sunday morning and I think everyone was kicked out because it was really quiet after that. We heard several people (during the long elevator rides) saying they were being kicked out of the hotel. Hey Fred, you were staying there too - your thoughts? MEK p.s. so did a bus load of Pearl Jam fans make up portion of the crowd at the main stage?
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I noticed that the cops were regularly walking through the hippy area by the river and asking people to open their bags... this pretty much destroyed the usual scene for drug deals and pot smoke by the river... not to say that I didnt smell pot nearly every time I breathed in on monday, but by then I think people were ready to take chances. -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: RE: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing this was prbably the least wastyed i've seen hart plaza since the first year. at least there were no massage trains over by the fountain. On Wed, 28 May 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah - there it is Amid all the sublime sensations, however, you got the feeling that for many teenage festival-goers, the event has become less about music and dancing than about escaping from the parents to cut loose -- often to excess. Dennis Donohue [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' urance.com [EMAIL PROTECTED], Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/03 03:44 PMcc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing here is the article, in case anyone wants to read it. http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/move27_20030527.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:32 PM To: Carissa Tintinalli Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing the Freep article on Tuesday had something like - it seemed like more of an excuse for kids to cut loose away from parental supervision - (I'm paraphrasing) I agreed wholeheartedly with the statement. MEK Carissa Tintinalli To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: mail.comSubject: Re: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing 05/28/03 03:05 PM I was at the Pontch as well for the second year in a row and it was WAY more out of control this year. Last year, there was a big Judo convention at Cobo and many of those attendees were in the hotel. Also, all of the National Guard (about 100) that were helping with border security at the time were staying there as well. So no matter where you went, you were surrounded by people who could kick your arse if you acted up. As for the crowd surfing and moshing, we were discussing this at the media tent on Monday. I don't remember seeing it quite that bad in previous years. Two of the people I was working with were from a local media relations firm and not familiar with the techno scene. The rest of us were explaining that we were just as stunned as that is NOT something electronic music fans are into. I blame it on local teenagers who only came down because there was something going on at Hart Plaza. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:42:00 -0500 so the only low points for us were the attitudes and actions of a large number of people staying at the Pontchartrain. One couple apparently arrived well after their check-in time and lost their reservation - at which point the female of the couple proceeded to call the poor desk clerk every name in the book. We later saw her and her boyfriend fighting. The hallways were trashed, etc. I don't think the party on the terrace level helped in any way. Anyone go to that? The feeling in the hotel was more Miami/WMC than Detroit I thought. The two rooms on both sides of us were busted early Sunday morning and I think everyone was kicked out because it was really quiet after that. We heard several people (during the long elevator rides) saying they were being kicked out of the hotel. Hey Fred, you were staying there too - your thoughts? MEK p.s. so did a bus load of Pearl Jam fans make up portion of the crowd at the main stage? _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: RE: (313) Body Surfing and Moshing this was prbably the least wastyed i've seen hart plaza since the first year. at least there were no massage trains over by the fountain. Yeah. I had no idea about the body surfing, and only heard one passing comment about Pearl Jam. I think the wayward youth confined themselves to the main stage and the areas in between perhaps? Every year there's been tons of kids that didn't seem musically concerned in the periphery and non-musical center of the plaza. I spent almost all of my time on the High Tech Soul and Movement stages, and both had a great vibe from where I was sitting/standing. I spent very little time on the main stage and underground this year, so that could possibly account for the different perceptions??? Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-- Original Message -- From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] I spent almost all of my time on the High Tech Soul and Movement stages, and both had a great vibe from where I was sitting/standing. I spent very little time on the main stage and underground this year, so that could possibly account for the different perceptions??? the movement stage was the main stage. did you mean the music institute tent? that and the high tech soul stage were my favorites by far, though the movement stage had alot of good stuff as well, it just usually lost out to the other stages. i only caught one performance on the underground stage (midwest product) though i had planned on trying to catch ESG liquid liquid and ectomorph i had to pick and choose and they all lost. that stage was pretty cool though. also, i did catch some body surfing during the 3 chairs on sunday night, though not very much. there was a ton of annoying crap going on around the left speaker stack during mills' set which is where i was. i wanted to sock the jock types all e'd to the gills and dancing with no shirt on running into people. tom andythepooh.com
