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Yeah I'll happily stand by what I said below. I don't say it from any high brow point of view though. I bowed out of the ultra analysis of this thread saying it's not good to overthink these things. You feel what you feel. I'm simply saying that people will like what is fed them by record companies. There's not a lot controversial in that. It's what happens. robin... I can't tell who said the part about kids listening to music because it's expected of them, but that's about one of the stuppidest things I have ever heard in my life. And if you don't know by now when something is put on heavy rotation, even if you hate it, most people start to except it out of habit, then you are really in the dark. AND it's quite possible people like poppy crap. Not because they are forced to. I hate this ideology, that you aren't true or can't really enjoy music unless you understand the intelligence behind it. That's something I don't like about this list, SOME people truly really enjoy the music they are discussing in here, and then there are ALOT of people that have to disect it, analyze it, or diss a mass public for mood changes in buying. Or some one who loves Crazy Frog is less of a music less lover then some one that has Carl Craig's complete anthology, white labels included. I mean it's like insulting the people who buy records from non english speaking countries of American and English artists, because they can't understand the lyrics, but are buying the music for the beat or the sound. They just love the sound. They don't know why one artist is one way or the other. I actually don't listen to the radio too much, but I don't think people, or youth who do are mindless or do it because they are putting in their hours because it's what expected from them. Geez, relax. Steve Please forward this to the 313 for me, whenever I try to post, the list rejects my post, but I still am able to get the posts from everyone else. Probably because once I said Juan Atkins is a cry baby. Not my exact words, but, well please post this for me. Later -Original Message- From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:02:30 + Subject: Re: (313) DJ Mag Poll Now if you're asking why people like them - I have no clue. Bad taste? Sadly most people listen to music because it's what they are expected to do when they are young. This leads to a large portion of the music buying public just buying what's pushed on them via radio/mtv/etc. Rather than looking for stuff they might actually like more. I have to learn to be less cynical don't I? robin...
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On Thu, November 3, 2005 11:54 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jazzreworks - The New MPS Sessions - great compilation of jazz fusion tracks (George Duke, Hans Koller, Kenny Clarke, etc) remixed by loads of different people so how are those other mixes? do you like that moonstarr jam? tom
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the fall '50,000 fall fans can't be wrong' c2 'the album formally known as..' the slits 'cut' cti 'electronic ambient remixes 12'
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On Nov 3, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: and some cure disintegration. such a great album.
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When I was in NY about 3 years ago I went to Armani and bought a top (which I've never worn as it's elasticine which I loathe) and a Frankie Knuckles CD they had and I commented to the girl I was surprised house should be played or even fostered in such a store when hip-hop might be more their demographic and she said they were not meant to play hip-hop as it scared some older customers, hmmm! I agree whole-heartedly! The club music pumping at the clothing store is really obnoxious, and it is a real turn-off. I did have a better experience at a small Brooklyn furniture store the other weekend. Walked in and they were playing Kraftwerk. I thought, I don't care what this place sells, I'm going to look at everything in here and enjoy my shopping experience. (Not that this has anything to do with the DJ Mag Poll) Adam I find it really difficult to buy clothes or shoes these days because the music most of these shops pump out is utterly appalling. I wish they would at least turn the volume down. As it is, I usually turn around and head for the exit after about 30secs
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My sister only listens to trance as she finds it stimulating when she works - she has never really been to clubs. Her music knowledge is limited. But she is about to get a PHD. If she hears something by Richie Hawtin she likes it too - she just doesn't discriminate. It's more complicated - people like what they like. On 2 Nov 2005, at 11:02, robin wrote: Now if you're asking why people like them - I have no clue. Bad taste? Sadly most people listen to music because it's what they are expected to do when they are young. This leads to a large portion of the music buying public just buying what's pushed on them via radio/mtv/etc. Rather than looking for stuff they might actually like more. Eh? So are you saying people buy stuff they know is rubbish :) M
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still, does anyone care? each to their own innit. as long as I've got music to listen to I like, couldn't really give two f**ks what everyone else wants to listen to. hehehe two f**cks what are you listening to? i bet it sucks Me, I am listening to the awesome new Echo The Bunnymen CD, Siberia, Natalie Merchant's best of, Annie's DJ-Kicks and Miri Ben Ari's The Hip Hop Violinist on Kanye's GOOD imprint... and lots of Philip Glass as I heard him last week. ;) You guys?
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still, does anyone care? each to their own innit. as long as I've got music to listen to I like, couldn't really give two f**ks what everyone else wants to listen to. hehehe two f**cks what are you listening to? i bet it sucks Me, I am listening to the awesome new Echo The Bunnymen CD, Siberia, Natalie Merchant's best of, Annie's DJ-Kicks and Miri Ben Ari's The Hip Hop Violinist on Kanye's GOOD imprint... and lots of Philip Glass as I heard him last week. ;) You guys?
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On Thu, November 3, 2005 11:34 pm, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Me, I am listening to the awesome new Echo The Bunnymen CD, Siberia, Natalie Merchant's best of, Annie's DJ-Kicks and Miri Ben Ari's The Hip Hop Violinist on Kanye's GOOD imprint... and lots of Philip Glass as I heard him last week. ;) You guys? ive been rocking some rhythm and sound, aril brikha deeparture in time, danger doom, new boards of canada, some dieselboy jungle mixes from 95, some soul edits by my man schubert, and some cure disintegration. tommm
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On Thu, November 3, 2005 11:34 pm, Cyclone Wehner wrote: You guys? Boards of Canada, Fat Freddy's Drop, John Arnold, Black Dog, and Boozoo Bajou. Record Time was good to me today. -- Ian
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mostly browsing various samples from Juno.co.uk also Jazzreworks - The New MPS Sessions - great compilation of jazz fusion tracks (George Duke, Hans Koller, Kenny Clarke, etc) remixed by loads of different people Diesler - Diggin It Something Rotten (TruThoughts) Seu Jorge - Carolina DKD - Future Rage LP Konono No. 1 Chocolate Genius - Black Yankee Rock Sa-Ra - The Second Time Around/Thrilla MEK
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The Orb: Okie Dokie 2xLP (Kompakt). Sweet. Very Fehlmann. jeff
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My vote is that they make bad sounding music, and if you look at the world today and in the past , most of the world really likes bad sounding music... Dave I reckon that just about hits the nail on the head nicely dave. still, does anyone care? each to their own innit. as long as I've got music to listen to I like, couldn't really give two f**ks what everyone else wants to listen to. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Now if you're asking why people like them - I have no clue. Bad taste? Sadly most people listen to music because it's what they are expected to do when they are young. This leads to a large portion of the music buying public just buying what's pushed on them via radio/mtv/etc. Rather than looking for stuff they might actually like more. I have to learn to be less cynical don't I? robin...
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On 2 Nov 2005, at 11:02, robin wrote: Now if you're asking why people like them - I have no clue. Bad taste? Sadly most people listen to music because it's what they are expected to do when they are young. This leads to a large portion of the music buying public just buying what's pushed on them via radio/mtv/etc. Rather than looking for stuff they might actually like more. Eh? So are you saying people buy stuff they know is rubbish :) M
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I can agree only partially with that Alex. Because music that's seen as 'popular' gets used for ads, documentaries, in shops, restaurants... While I couldn't give two f**ks either what everyone else _wants_ to listen to, it has an influence on what I'm being _made_ to listen to, whether I want to or not. I find it really difficult to buy clothes or shoes these days because the music most of these shops pump out is utterly appalling. I wish they would at least turn the volume down. As it is, I usually turn around and head for the exit after about 30secs They lose my custom - but I need a pair of new jeans dammit! Record shops should sell more clothes, not just t-shirts! ; ) Anya On 2 Nov 2005, at 10:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote is that they make bad sounding music, and if you look at the world today and in the past , most of the world really likes bad sounding music... Dave I reckon that just about hits the nail on the head nicely dave. still, does anyone care? each to their own innit. as long as I've got music to listen to I like, couldn't really give two f**ks what everyone else wants to listen to.
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still, does anyone care? each to their own innit. as long as I've got music to listen to I like, couldn't really give two f**ks what everyone else wants to listen to. hehehe two f**cks what are you listening to? i bet it sucks np lukie eargoggle stuff...still holding the crown for best doppplereffekt inspired stuff
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I can agree only partially with that Alex. Because music that's seen as 'popular' gets used for ads, documentaries, in shops, restaurants... While I couldn't give two f**ks either what everyone else _wants_ to listen to, it has an influence on what I'm being _made_ to listen to, whether I want to or not. AHA ANYA! COME ON DOWN - IT'S YOUR LUCKY DAY. You are truly blessed - for today I launch my *NEW* ACME MUSIC SHIELD. It's only 9.99 and requires partial assembly, however a lady of your calibre will be able to deal with this no problem. In general, it puts you in a daze, so that you don't even notice the music that is playing in your current enviroment. Just add rizla and gods finest and roll away - hey presto, your head will be so far up your arse that you'll be concentrating on putting one foot in front of the other and won't notice the woes of shop music. THOROUGH ROAD TESTING FOR LAST 15 YEARS BY ACME CHIEF PRODUCT DEVELOPER, MR TERRY SKIP-RAT PROVES THIS WORKS - OR YOUR MONEY BACK Form an orderly Q folks, this is gonna be a hot one. Yours, Mr D.Ozy ACME INC _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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what are you listening to? the sound of photocopiers whirring. I'm gonna make a herbert inspired lp with only a photocopier and a ream of paper. and sell it as electronica, I'll make a fortune. WATCHA GOTTA SAY ABOUT THEN? anyway, shouldn't you be in bed insomnia boy? ; ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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I agree whole-heartedly! The club music pumping at the clothing store is really obnoxious, and it is a real turn-off. I did have a better experience at a small Brooklyn furniture store the other weekend. Walked in and they were playing Kraftwerk. I thought, I don't care what this place sells, I'm going to look at everything in here and enjoy my shopping experience. (Not that this has anything to do with the DJ Mag Poll) Adam I find it really difficult to buy clothes or shoes these days because the music most of these shops pump out is utterly appalling. I wish they would at least turn the volume down. As it is, I usually turn around and head for the exit after about 30secs
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I used to watch a lot of crap real tv shows... Ive always known its rubbish but ive watched till i got bored. Now i watch few of them but its too late : all teh TVs that have spreaded this stuff had really big audience with these shows. Its the same with music people listen to crap till they are bored. But the un-educated crowd is renewing and the educated crowd sounds like old grandfather telling you how it was half a centuray ago (Abraham Simpson). Too late ! -- Benoît. Martin Dust a écrit : On 2 Nov 2005, at 11:02, robin wrote: Now if you're asking why people like them - I have no clue. Bad taste? Sadly most people listen to music because it's what they are expected to do when they are young. This leads to a large portion of the music buying public just buying what's pushed on them via radio/mtv/etc. Rather than looking for stuff they might actually like more. Eh? So are you saying people buy stuff they know is rubbish :) M
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hawtin being #12 probably had something to do with the emails minus.com (and plastikman.com? (and paxahau.com?))sent out asking everyone to help fight the fight against bad music by voting for hawtin and magda. I didn't vote for anyone, but I'm there in spirit -Joe From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/31 Mon PM 08:13:57 EST To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) DJ Mag Poll Another year, another DJ Mag poll! I am glad to see Tiesto knocked off and Paul Van Dyk on top - his music is not my taste, but I've always felt that he's sincere and principled. Is Hawtin at # 12 not a triumph for good music? No love for Detroit in there overall, but that ain't nuthin' new!
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Magda only just made it into the list by the skin of her tea-th. Arf arf. N -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 November 2005 14:28 To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) DJ Mag Poll hawtin being #12 probably had something to do with the emails minus.com (and plastikman.com? (and paxahau.com?))sent out asking everyone to help fight the fight against bad music by voting for hawtin and magda. I didn't vote for anyone, but I'm there in spirit -Joe From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/31 Mon PM 08:13:57 EST To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) DJ Mag Poll Another year, another DJ Mag poll! I am glad to see Tiesto knocked off and Paul Van Dyk on top - his music is not my taste, but I've always felt that he's sincere and principled. Is Hawtin at # 12 not a triumph for good music? No love for Detroit in there overall, but that ain't nuthin' new! __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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Why do you all think guys like Tiesto and Van Dyke are so popular? P www.peterlasell.net --- Nik Stoltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Magda only just made it into the list by the skin of her tea-th. Arf arf. N -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 November 2005 14:28 To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) DJ Mag Poll hawtin being #12 probably had something to do with the emails minus.com (and plastikman.com? (and paxahau.com?))sent out asking everyone to help fight the fight against bad music by voting for hawtin and magda. I didn't vote for anyone, but I'm there in spirit -Joe From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/31 Mon PM 08:13:57 EST To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) DJ Mag Poll Another year, another DJ Mag poll! I am glad to see Tiesto knocked off and Paul Van Dyk on top - his music is not my taste, but I've always felt that he's sincere and principled. Is Hawtin at # 12 not a triumph for good music? No love for Detroit in there overall, but that ain't nuthin' new! __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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true the #12 thing is probably due somewhat to the emails, but asking for votes for themselves is not really what that it said On Nov 1, 2005, at 6:27 AM, /0 wrote: hawtin being #12 probably had something to do with the emails minus.com (and plastikman.com? (and paxahau.com?))sent out asking everyone to help fight the fight against bad music by voting for hawtin and magda. I didn't vote for anyone, but I'm there in spirit -Joe From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/31 Mon PM 08:13:57 EST To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) DJ Mag Poll Another year, another DJ Mag poll! I am glad to see Tiesto knocked off and Paul Van Dyk on top - his music is not my taste, but I've always felt that he's sincere and principled. Is Hawtin at # 12 not a triumph for good music? No love for Detroit in there overall, but that ain't nuthin' new!
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My vote is that they make bad sounding music, and if you look at the world today and in the past , most of the world really likes bad sounding music... Dave P. Lasell wrote: Why do you all think guys like Tiesto and Van Dyke are so popular? P www.peterlasell.net --- Nik Stoltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Magda only just made it into the list by the skin of her tea-th. Arf arf. N
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Because they sell themselves like crazy and because they know people. They're willing to work with anybody and everybody who will propel their career and expose themselves to more people. I know a guy who has been voted in the alternative newspaper best club DJ in town for, I think, 3 years running. The guy can't mix two beats to save his life and he's never worked with vinyl - CDs only. How does he do it? He's got a massive mailing list and promotes himself, is seen at every rock show (he spins rock/pop music mostly), etc. I know he loves the music he plays but the way he gets voted is by being ubiquitous and playing to the crowd. It doesn't hurt that his dad is a used car salesman and he's learned a few tricks in personality from working the sales room himself. He exudes confidence and he can sell himself. He plays weddings, parties, etc. Where ever he can when ever he can. Check Tiesto's bio (I went to his webpage because I didn't know sh!t about him) Born in Holland, Tiësto became a DJ because he 'liked to share music with other people. When I was younger, I'd listen to a radio show called the Soul Show, and to Ben Liebrand's mix show, where he would remix and cut up different tracks, and I just thought - I wanna do this!' Starting out with a mobile show around the country, he progressed to student parties, and then to three nights a week in a club, learning and perfecting his craft. so he was playing three times a week and played student parties - how many of us would want to spin the type of music they want to hear @ student parties? I'm sure during his stints with his mobile DJ job and doing the student parties he learned what they wanted to hear pretty quickly. Also, he learned that making music himself and controlling the output (he started a label) he could raise his profile. He probably met some people through a gig and got a radio show and kept pushing it further from there. According to discogs - in 1998 alone - his label put out four mix CDs. That's a huge amount. Seems that's the way so many of these guys push their profile too. It's not their own music - they go into a studio (or do it in their own) and assemble a mix in ProTools. Then they license the tracks and bam! Their name is slapped on front of the CD as mixed by and they get a bigger profile. More money, more gigs, more clout. But what did they do? They worked the system. That is until they have to actually play live (*cough*oakenfold*cough*) and they suck and people stop liking them. They know they aren't going to be popular forever so they license their own tracks to just about anybody who wants it (BIG $$$) and that spreads their name around. Pretty soon their songs are huge just because people have heard them enough times. It plays into the Top 40 radio phenomenon - play a small selection of songs enough times and people will like them and request them even though they might have just heard them less than 4 hours ago. Now if you're asking why people like them - I have no clue. Bad taste? MEK P. Lasell [EMAIL PROTECTED] omTo 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org 11/01/05 01:36 PM cc Subject RE: (313) DJ Mag Poll Why do you all think guys like Tiesto and Van Dyke are so popular? P www.peterlasell.net --- Nik Stoltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Magda only just made it into the list by the skin of her tea-th. Arf arf. N -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 November 2005 14:28 To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) DJ Mag Poll hawtin being #12 probably had something to do with the emails minus.com (and plastikman.com? (and paxahau.com?))sent out asking everyone to help fight the fight against bad music by voting for hawtin and magda. I didn't vote for anyone, but I'm there in spirit -Joe From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/31 Mon PM 08:13:57 EST To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) DJ Mag Poll Another year, another DJ Mag poll! I am glad to see
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I have to express some respect for Van Dyk, regardless of music. He didn't come from a privileged background as some European superstar DJs like Judge Jules but an industrial city in communist East Germany - and without a father who from what I can tell had no role in his life. He left for the West with his mum and the family dog and little else. He's politically engaged. I've interviewed him several times and I think he's genuine. I'd rather see him at the top than some others of the superstar ilk... Some nice people like - believe in - terrible music, it happens! Because they sell themselves like crazy and because they know people. They're willing to work with anybody and everybody who will propel their career and expose themselves to more people. I know a guy who has been voted in the alternative newspaper best club DJ in town for, I think, 3 years running. The guy can't mix two beats to save his life and he's never worked with vinyl - CDs only. How does he do it? He's got a massive mailing list and promotes himself, is seen at every rock show (he spins rock/pop music mostly), etc. I know he loves the music he plays but the way he gets voted is by being ubiquitous and playing to the crowd. It doesn't hurt that his dad is a used car salesman and he's learned a few tricks in personality from working the sales room himself. He exudes confidence and he can sell himself. He plays weddings, parties, etc. Where ever he can when ever he can. Check Tiesto's bio (I went to his webpage because I didn't know sh!t about him) Born in Holland, Tiësto became a DJ because he 'liked to share music with other people. When I was younger, I'd listen to a radio show called the Soul Show, and to Ben Liebrand's mix show, where he would remix and cut up different tracks, and I just thought - I wanna do this!' Starting out with a mobile show around the country, he progressed to student parties, and then to three nights a week in a club, learning and perfecting his craft. so he was playing three times a week and played student parties - how many of us would want to spin the type of music they want to hear @ student parties? I'm sure during his stints with his mobile DJ job and doing the student parties he learned what they wanted to hear pretty quickly. Also, he learned that making music himself and controlling the output (he started a label) he could raise his profile. He probably met some people through a gig and got a radio show and kept pushing it further from there. According to discogs - in 1998 alone - his label put out four mix CDs. That's a huge amount. Seems that's the way so many of these guys push their profile too. It's not their own music - they go into a studio (or do it in their own) and assemble a mix in ProTools. Then they license the tracks and bam! Their name is slapped on front of the CD as mixed by and they get a bigger profile. More money, more gigs, more clout. But what did they do? They worked the system. That is until they have to actually play live (*cough*oakenfold*cough*) and they suck and people stop liking them. They know they aren't going to be popular forever so they license their own tracks to just about anybody who wants it (BIG $$$) and that spreads their name around. Pretty soon their songs are huge just because people have heard them enough times. It plays into the Top 40 radio phenomenon - play a small selection of songs enough times and people will like them and request them even though they might have just heard them less than 4 hours ago. Now if you're asking why people like them - I have no clue. Bad taste? MEK P. Lasell [EMAIL PROTECTED] omTo 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org 11/01/05 01:36 PM cc Subject RE: (313) DJ Mag Poll Why do you all think guys like Tiesto and Van Dyke are so popular? P www.peterlasell.net --- Nik Stoltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Magda only just made it into the list by the skin of her tea-th. Arf arf. N -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 November 2005 14:28 To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) DJ Mag Poll hawtin being #12 probably had something to do with the emails minus.com (and plastikman.com? (and paxahau.com?))sent out asking everyone to help fight the fight against bad music by voting for hawtin and magda. I didn't vote for anyone, but I'm there in spirit -Joe From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/10/31 Mon PM 08:13:57 EST To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) DJ Mag Poll Another year, another DJ Mag poll! I am glad to see Tiesto knocked off and Paul Van Dyk
