Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Jeff Grann via 4D_Tech]

StackOverflow is great for pure, direct technical questions, but it doesn’t 
allow for general discussions.

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> On Jul 19, 2018, at 10:58 AM, Andy Mercer via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
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> We could also join the rest of the world and move to StackOverflow.
> 
> Andy Mercer

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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Andy Mercer via 4D_Tech]

We could also join the rest of the world and move to StackOverflow.


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It’s a good way to query the history too.

Paul

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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Paul Lovejoy via 4D_Tech]

It’s a good way to query the history too. 

Paul 

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RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech]

I use the nabble web interface to read and post.
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

Hi Tim, if anyone complains to me again I’m happy to share the information in 
this email with all of the relevant contact information. At the moment, I’m not 
so interested in getting any more involved with someone else’s NUG 
communication difficulties—I was just trying to help a newbie. Yet, I am 
curious as to why some members were banned. Yes, as this thread heated up some 
well-known 4D developers reached out to me privately since they had no public 
voice. Is that something I can ask you about? 

Thanks,

Robert

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2018, at 11:34 AM, Timothy Penner  wrote:
> 
> Robert,
> 
> The official email address of the list admin is 4d_tech-ow...@lists.4d.com 
> (it’s a group).
> 
> The official email address to post to the list is 4D_Tech@lists.4d.com (if 
> messages are sent elsewhere they will not show up on the list).
> 
> The official email address to subscribe to the list is 
> 4d_tech-subscr...@lists.4d.com (the FAQ is wrong and needs to be updated).
> The official email address to unsubscribe from the list is 
> 4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com
> The official website that can be used for signing up is 
> https://lists.4d.com/mailman/listinfo/4d_tech
> The official website that can be used for modifying your account is 
> https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
> 
> With that being said, please send the relevant information about the problem 
> to 4d_tech-ow...@lists.4d.com
> 
> The relevant information needed in order to investigate the situation is:
> - the email address of the person posting (so we can check their subscription)
> - a copy of the sent item they tried to post (please forward the sent item as 
> an attachment so we can check the headers)
> 
> -Tim PENNER
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RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech]

Robert,

The official email address of the list admin is 4d_tech-ow...@lists.4d.com 
(it’s a group).

The official email address to post to the list is 4D_Tech@lists.4d.com (if 
messages are sent elsewhere they will not show up on the list).

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https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech

With that being said, please send the relevant information about the problem to 
4d_tech-ow...@lists.4d.com

The relevant information needed in order to investigate the situation is:
- the email address of the person posting (so we can check their subscription)
- a copy of the sent item they tried to post (please forward the sent item as 
an attachment so we can check the headers)

-Tim PENNER



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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

please ignore me if the point has already been made,
but they did register their email addresses before posting, right?
one can't simply post to 4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
without first joining the list.

2018/07/17 10:34、Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> のメール：
“Never able to post” means no post was ever visible on the NUG….



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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[John Baughman via 4D_Tech]

Looking back at your post am I correct that the post that did not make it was 
Hello World? If so I am not surprised at all. Perhaps they have an automated 
filter and Hello World is flagged. 

Why not try sending something useful like introducing one’s self as a list 
newbie.

If that still doesn’t make it I would call my sales rep.

John Baughman
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> On Jul 16, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Julio, same here, the very first I’m hearing of it too!  If you look at my 
> original post, I simply say that “I take it [based on the circumstances] that 
> the list is… censored” this was a surprise to me too. Yes, perhaps I used a 
> few words that were too strong but sometimes that’s helpful to draw attention 
> to something. Sorry, I’m not one to walk on egg shells. Also, I inquired, in 
> that same message, who’s in charge so that issues like this can be directed 
> to that person that I called the “gatekeeper”. This was not a complaint, this 
> was an observation.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2018, at 4:08 AM, Julio Carneiro via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> And, as others have said here, this is the first time I see complains on 
>> censorship on this NUG.
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

Hi Julio, same here, the very first I’m hearing of it too!  If you look at my 
original post, I simply say that “I take it [based on the circumstances] that 
the list is… censored” this was a surprise to me too. Yes, perhaps I used a few 
words that were too strong but sometimes that’s helpful to draw attention to 
something. Sorry, I’m not one to walk on egg shells. Also, I inquired, in that 
same message, who’s in charge so that issues like this can be directed to that 
person that I called the “gatekeeper”. This was not a complaint, this was an 
observation.

Thanks,

Robert

> On Jul 16, 2018, at 4:08 AM, Julio Carneiro via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
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> And, as others have said here, this is the first time I see complains on 
> censorship on this NUG.

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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

Okay… let’s all take a deep breath. WOW! “Never able to post” means no post was 
ever visible on the NUG…. Yes, they tried more than once. No one from 4D 
declared anything, nor was that expected—those that censor typically do not 
inform those being restricted. Yes, assistance was requested. Yes, from all of 
the evidence present there appears to be only one conclusion. So, how do you 
get help on the list when communication has seemingly been disallowed?  

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 11:09 PM, JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> “They were never able to post”... what does that even mean? Taken literally l 
> am assuming that they sent a message to the list and never saw their post on 
> the list. Did they try more than once. Did someone from 4D tell them they had 
> been censored? Did they ask for assistance? Based on your message I don’t 
> think any of this occurred. 
> 
> Someone tried to post and failed. Then they, including you, took one huge 
> leap to censorship. 
> 
> Instead of posting an unsubstantiated assumption why not help them get on the 
> list.
> 
> Unless you personally observed what you are assuming happened, it is very 
> possible they told you they tried but in fact did not. 
> 
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Christopher Wyatt PhD via 4D_Tech]

Like so many dead apps, the website is gone, too. It’s not a big deal, as
we have data exported. One thing I was able to do, which also gives me that
dev’s schema to compare to similar apps.

It wasn’t a bad app for nature watching. Just not a significant Mac market.

The question is if I try to create a similar app for personal use or just
stick to spreadsheets. On Windows, I’d create a database in a heartbeat. On
Mac not so many choices.

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 2:06 PM Charles Miller via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> As long as you have source for the app, you can upgrade. If you do not have
> source it is a little more problematic but can be done.
>
> You can contact me off list if you wish cjmillerinformed-solutions.com
>
> Regards
>
> Chuck
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> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:41 AM, Christopher Wyatt PhD via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
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> > I attempted to join the other listservs on the 4D site. Assume they are
> > dead. It is difficult to locate current reviews, media, etc.
> >
> > My goal was to see if an older nature app (Wingz) in 4D might be
> > salvageable. At least the data. Not a great many options on the Mac,
> > especially if net access not a given.
> >
> > The lack of forum and list activity concerns me. I last used 4D 2004.
> >
> > - CSW
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:34 AM Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I tried to turn on a few young developers to 4D and suggested they join
> > > the list. They were never able to post. I take it the list is highly
> > > censored based on the feedback I’ve received. I didn’t know the bar was
> > > that high. So, who’s the gatekeeper...?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Robert
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Charles Miller via 4D_Tech]

As long as you have source for the app, you can upgrade. If you do not have
source it is a little more problematic but can be done.

You can contact me off list if you wish cjmillerinformed-solutions.com

Regards

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> I attempted to join the other listservs on the 4D site. Assume they are
> dead. It is difficult to locate current reviews, media, etc.
>
> My goal was to see if an older nature app (Wingz) in 4D might be
> salvageable. At least the data. Not a great many options on the Mac,
> especially if net access not a given.
>
> The lack of forum and list activity concerns me. I last used 4D 2004.
>
> - CSW
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:34 AM Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> > I tried to turn on a few young developers to 4D and suggested they join
> > the list. They were never able to post. I take it the list is highly
> > censored based on the feedback I’ve received. I didn’t know the bar was
> > that high. So, who’s the gatekeeper...?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Robert
> >
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

> My goal was to see if an older nature app (Wingz) in 4D might be
> salvageable. At least the data. Not a great many options on the Mac,
> especially if net access not a given.

> The lack of forum and list activity concerns me. I last used 4D 2004.

from my understanding and experience - moving to a newer version of 4D
from a database circa 2004 is doable, and might not even be difficult,
but a lot of that will depend on (old) source system.




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>> I tried to turn on a few young developers to 4D and suggested they join
>> the list. They were never able to post. I take it the list is highly
>> censored based on the feedback I’ve received. I didn’t know the bar was
>> that high. So, who’s the gatekeeper...?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Robert
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Christopher Wyatt PhD via 4D_Tech]

I attempted to join the other listservs on the 4D site. Assume they are
dead. It is difficult to locate current reviews, media, etc.

My goal was to see if an older nature app (Wingz) in 4D might be
salvageable. At least the data. Not a great many options on the Mac,
especially if net access not a given.

The lack of forum and list activity concerns me. I last used 4D 2004.

- CSW

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> I tried to turn on a few young developers to 4D and suggested they join
> the list. They were never able to post. I take it the list is highly
> censored based on the feedback I’ve received. I didn’t know the bar was
> that high. So, who’s the gatekeeper...?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Christopher Wyatt PhD via 4D_Tech]

I’m trying to convince myself to return to 4D vs FileMaker or coding in
Swift. Xojo is a no, after adding in the plug-ins I’d be likely to use.
Curiously, Panorama is promising.

Just hobby things for myself. But I actually liked 4D and its power. Plus I
could share interpreted databases with my wife.

4D has faded, but so have most dedicated databases. Sad.

- CSW

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 10:09 PM Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech <
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> Hi David,
>
> Yes, I thought 4D was running the list too. Yes, I’m quite sure it’s not a
> technical glitch since I heard it from multiple users. Anyway, it doesn’t
> bother me but I thought 4D would want new developers to join in on the fun.
> Thanks for your contribution and yes all points duly noted.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 15, 2018, at 4:44 PM, David Adams via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
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> > * This list is run by 4D.
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RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

I really hate auto-correct.
I swear I correct it more then it corrects me...
Bug = Nug

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:39:53 -0400, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech wrote:
> do not know that address was copied from the info link in the 4D bug 
> signature.
> 
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:16:06 +, Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 
> 4D_Tech wrote:
>> I think this is the right one: 4d_tech-j...@lists.4d.com, isn't it?
>> 
>> Regards 
>> Lutz
>> 
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Chip Scheide via
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>>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:58 PM
>>> To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>>> Cc: Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Who’s the Gestapo?
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RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

do not know that address was copied from the info link in the 4D bug 
signature.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:16:06 +, Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 
4D_Tech wrote:
> I think this is the right one: 4d_tech-j...@lists.4d.com, isn't it?
> 
> Regards 
> Lutz
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Chip Scheide via
>> 4D_Tech
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:58 PM
>> To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>> Cc: Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org>
>> Subject: Re: Who’s the Gestapo?
>> 
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RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Steve,

 I also use Outlook and typically see all my posts.  However the times when I 
have not is because I did not send them as "text" but instead as "html".  
Outlook by default won't send it as "text" so you really should change it to 
that before sending.

Just a thought...


Steve


-Original Message-
From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Steve Makohin 
via 4D_Tech
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:05 AM
To: '4D iNug Technical' <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Cc: Steve Makohin 
Subject: RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

I post to this list from Outlook. I have no idea why, by my original post 
doesn't *seem* to appear in the list. In other words, I don't get an email from 
the list showing my original post. Curious. I can't explain it. (Not a problem 
for me)

This *might* give someone the impression that they're being censored, or that 
there's a technical problem that prevents their posts from showing up on the 
list.

However, I do get replies from the list, indicating my original post did make 
it to the list, even though I didn't see it.

-Steve Makohin
 Water's Edge Software

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RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech]

Below you can find a link to the list options: 
https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech
There you are able to adjust e.g. the setting:
> Receive your own posts to the list?
> Ordinarily, you will get a copy of every message you post to the list. If 
> you don't want to receive this copy, set this option to No.

May be you changed that in the past.

Regards
Lutz

> I post to this list from Outlook. I have no idea why, by my original post 
> doesn't
> *seem* to appear in the list. In other words, I don't get an email from the 
> list showing
> my original post. Curious. I can't explain it. (Not a problem for me)
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Julio Carneiro via 4D_Tech]

Yes Steve, that is a feature of most mail clients & lists, your own posts are 
not sent back to you, which makes sense. Your posts are on your “sent” list and 
do not appear on the incoming flow.

You do not get a confirmation back, not on 4D list and almost any list I 
participate on.
But you do get an error back if you post to the list using an unknown email. I 
guess most people here have more than one email address, and use one 
specifically for the list (my case). If I post to the NUG using an incorrect 
email I do get a message back from the NUG server telling me so.

And, as others have said here, this is the first time I see complains on 
censorship on this NUG.

julio

> On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:05 AM, Steve Makohin via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I post to this list from Outlook. I have no idea why, by my original post 
> doesn't *seem* to appear in the list. In other words, I don't get an email 
> from the list showing my original post. Curious. I can't explain it. (Not a 
> problem for me)
> 
> This *might* give someone the impression that they're being censored, or that 
> there's a technical problem that prevents their posts from showing up on the 
> list.
> 
> However, I do get replies from the list, indicating my original post did make 
> it to the list, even though I didn't see it.
> 
> -Steve Makohin
> Water's Edge Software
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RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Steve Makohin via 4D_Tech]

I post to this list from Outlook. I have no idea why, by my original post 
doesn't *seem* to appear in the list. In other words, I don't get an email from 
the list showing my original post. Curious. I can't explain it. (Not a problem 
for me)

This *might* give someone the impression that they're being censored, or that 
there's a technical problem that prevents their posts from showing up on the 
list.

However, I do get replies from the list, indicating my original post did make 
it to the list, even though I didn't see it.

-Steve Makohin
 Water's Edge Software

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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[John Baughman via 4D_Tech]

“They were never able to post”... what does that even mean? Taken literally l 
am assuming that they sent a message to the list and never saw their post on 
the list. Did they try more than once. Did someone from 4D tell them they had 
been censored? Did they ask for assistance? Based on your message I don’t think 
any of this occurred. 

Someone tried to post and failed. Then they, including you, took one huge leap 
to censorship. 

Instead of posting an unsubstantiated assumption why not help them get on the 
list.

Unless you personally observed what you are assuming happened, it is very 
possible they told you they tried but in fact did not. 

John Baughman
Kailua, Hawaii
john...@hawaii.rr.com

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi David, 
> 
> Yes, I thought 4D was running the list too. Yes, I’m quite sure it’s not a 
> technical glitch since I heard it from multiple users. Anyway, it doesn’t 
> bother me but I thought 4D would want new developers to join in on the fun. 
> Thanks for your contribution and yes all points duly noted. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 15, 2018, at 4:44 PM, David Adams via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> * This list is run by 4D.
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech]

I know I got bounced for swearing once!!

Regards,

Wayne




On 16 July 2018 at 12:08, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> Yes, I thought 4D was running the list too. Yes, I’m quite sure it’s not a 
> technical glitch since I heard it from multiple users. Anyway, it doesn’t 
> bother me but I thought 4D would want new developers to join in on the fun. 
> Thanks for your contribution and yes all points duly noted.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 15, 2018, at 4:44 PM, David Adams via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
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>> * This list is run by 4D.
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

Hi David, 

Yes, I thought 4D was running the list too. Yes, I’m quite sure it’s not a 
technical glitch since I heard it from multiple users. Anyway, it doesn’t 
bother me but I thought 4D would want new developers to join in on the fun. 
Thanks for your contribution and yes all points duly noted. 

Thanks,

Robert

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 4:44 PM, David Adams via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> * This list is run by 4D.

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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[David Adams via 4D_Tech]

Robert:

* This list is run by 4D.

* I've never heard that about the censoring, and it hasn't happened to me.
Which it probably would have, if it were happening at all. Are you 100%
certain that there's not technical glitch on your people' side?

* I'd suggest *not* comparing people to the Gestapo in general but, in
particular, when they're old enough that their parents can remember the
Gestapo.

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 2:34 PM Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech <
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> I tried to turn on a few young developers to 4D and suggested they join
> the list. They were never able to post. I take it the list is highly
> censored based on the feedback I’ve received. I didn’t know the bar was
> that high. So, who’s the gatekeeper...?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

Hello World!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2018, at 6:22 AM, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
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> and ... What did they post that got them blocked?
> 
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 at 05:34, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech <
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>> I tried to turn on a few young developers to 4D and suggested they join
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>> censored based on the feedback I’ve received. I didn’t know the bar was
>> that high. So, who’s the gatekeeper...?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Robert
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Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

[Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech]

and ... What did they post that got them blocked?

On Sat, 14 Jul 2018 at 05:34, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech <
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> I tried to turn on a few young developers to 4D and suggested they join
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> that high. So, who’s the gatekeeper...?
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