Re: [AI] making U K English as default

2011-09-24 Thread Sheik mohammedali

Hi srijith, just follow these steps to do so:
go to start\programs\microsoft office 2003\microsoft offfice language 
settings
there you will be shown the available/installed languages.  here you have to 
choose an option "Choose the language that defines default behavior in 
Microsoft Office applications" and set your desired language and say OK 
that's it. 



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Re: [AI] Webvisum

2011-09-24 Thread shilpi singh
hello sir  first install mozela firefax 3.5 in your system then open
your webvism account then go to download section there you will get
something like online installation press enter on it then your webvism
installation will begine. make sure that you are using webvism and
mozela with jaws11 because jaws11 is compatable or you can use NVDA
also. how to use: whenever while creating new account  on any website
when captcha will display on your screen there simply you  press
application and click on coppey then by tab key find edit box where
you will have to paste simply paste there. that's it. warm regards if
you fial to understand please let me know.

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Re: [AI] Outlook express for windows7

2011-09-24 Thread kishanlal
 You should go through the Microsoft out look express i am using the same
sir.

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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Praful Vyas
Sent: 25 September 2011 11:23
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Outlook express for windows7

Dear Friends,

I need outlook express for windows 7.
If it is not competible, Please inform me witch email client is competible.
Praful Vyas.
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Re: [AI] Outlook express for windows7

2011-09-24 Thread Sheik mohammedali
outlook express is no longer available in windows  7.   in addition to that, 
you can use windows live or mozilla thunder bird. 



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[AI] LCA

2011-09-24 Thread Rahul Bajaj
Hello everyone,

As I have stated before, I have Leber's congenital amaurosis (LCA).
So, does anyone else here have this particular disease?
I'm just curious.
Do let me know if you have this disease.

Cheers,
Rahul

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[AI] Outlook express for windows7

2011-09-24 Thread Praful Vyas
Dear Friends,

I need outlook express for windows 7.
If it is not competible, Please inform me witch email client is competible.
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Re: [AI] Mobility

2011-09-24 Thread Rahul Bajaj
Haha, this is interesting.

On 25/09/2011, Sathiyaprakash Ramdoss  wrote:
>  Extremely sorry folks. I am certainly not intending to steal the
> thunder of this interesting thread. However, as a token of my
> gratitude for the effective English communication skills that I've
> learned from   Shadab Ji's blog, I am just  giving a thesaurus meaning
> for the word  "Cruising" on behalf.
>  "cruising"  refers to traveling on a constant speed, without any
> hurry. We can also say something like   cruising towards victory,
> cruising towards hope etc.. Sorry for the unnecessary interruption,
> please carry-on folks. Thank You.
>
>  Sincerely Yours,
>
> Sathiyaprakash.
>
> On 9/23/11, Phen Varghese  wrote:
>> Then tell the meaning of that word which you were meaning I have no
>> time to look into it.
>>
>>
>> On 9/23/11, Shadab Husain  wrote:
>>> Had you checked the dictionary before writing this, it would have been
>>> better. Anyways, please do it now. Regards. Shadab
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/23/11, Phen Varghese  wrote:
 Dear Shadab,

 Please make sure about what you are writing in your mail.
 It is crossing not CRUISING.


 On 9/23/11, Shadab Husain  wrote:
> congratulations. Am CRUISING TOWARDS DELHI ALONE...IN TRAIN. GOD KNOWS
> WHAT IS IN STORE FOR ME! CHEERS. Shadab
>
> On 9/23/11, Shona Man  wrote:
>> Hi friends I want to make you aware in special circumstances even when
>> u have sighted person with you! Some time what happens the person
>> assisting you become busy staring something else' say for e.g the
>> shops, sighnboard etc that he remains fail to make you hit by any
>> other object, therefore its better idea to have cane with you. Friends
>> I am happy to breathe in this beautiful world today because yesterday
>> I could escape my demise! a road exedent occurred to me when I was
>> crossing the road with one of my sighted friend, when infront of vishv
>> vidhyalia metro station we were crossing the road all of the sudden a
>> bike with speed of neer about 40km/s hit us badly and we were thrown
>> parallel to the direction of the bike. Fortunately no vehicle was
>> coming behind the bike otherwise we would have been over run by
>> another vehicle. I remained senseless for a minute, then I realised
>> that my body is all right except few injuries. I am taking treatment.
>> So specially please take care while  crossing the road, because
>> sometime drivers of rushing vehicle don't know that the person is
>> blind.
>>
>> On 9/23/11, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>>> No, no, Bhavani Bhai, I am not so fortunate, at times have not even
>>> been
>>> allowed an escort, let alone a female one!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of BHAWANI
>>> SHANKAR
>>> VERMA
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:39 PM
>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Mobility
>>>
>>> ofcourse sir, hope to see you with a female escort whenever we meet!
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Mobility
>>>
>>>
 Well, Amar, why a "Man" only?
 A girl/lady would serve the purpose equally well,  or perhaps
 better.
 Smile!!
 It only shows our paternalistic linguistic bias.


 -Original Message-
 From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
 [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amar
 Jain
 Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:26 PM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] Mobility

 Rahul,
 My personal view is that you should appoint a man who can act as a
 driver
 and as assistant both.
 Regards
 -Original Message-
 From: Rahul Bajaj
 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:55 PM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 Subject: Re: [AI] Mobility

 Hi all,

 First of all, thank you for your valuable views.
 Even I mostly take the help of sighted guides, but it sometimes
 becomes difficult to find a sighted guide for going everywhere.
 Have you appointed a person specifically for assisting you, or do
 you
 take the help of family members and friends?

 On 21/09/2011, yusuf  wrote:
> Hi Friend
> I use white cane everywhere
> but, if somebody is ready to go with me
> then I take sighted assistance.
> and I don't wait for sighted assistance.
> - Original Message -
> From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 

[AI] making U K English as default

2011-09-24 Thread SREEJITH K
hello friends I have a problem
in my computer I am working with office 2003 full installation.
number of times I changed the default english from U S to U K and
saved in the language option in tools menu and also the language
option during spell check
but it is skipping to U S english.
how can it solve?
a step by step guidance is expecting.
regards
sreejith K
skype sreejithmathil

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Re: [AI] powerpoint question

2011-09-24 Thread Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan
No. The first slide is always labeled as title slide and it will not
be possible to rename it. The first slide is actually intented to show
the title of your presentation and henceforth there are only two
fields, the title field and the sub-title field.

Vetri.

On 24/09/2011, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA  wrote:
> hello! my question is how to rename the slide. i want to rename slide1 as
> startup, is it possible or not.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] powerpoint question
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Each slide has a title field and a body field. In order to recognize
>> slides by title, label the title field accordingly. If you mean by
>> that question "reorganization of your slides, then that's another
>> matter and requires different step.
>>
>> Vetri.
>>
>> On 23/09/2011, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA  wrote:
>>> hello accessindia!
>>>
>>> i have a power point presentation, has contained 55 sslides. they are
>>> arranged as slide 1, slide 2, slide 3, so on. i want to rename all the
>>> slides according to their content. please provide me solution, as i am
>>> using
>>> office 2003.
>>>
>>> thanks.
>>>
>>> bhawani
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[AI] FW: [Blindmath] Version 0.0.10 of SVGDraw01 is now available for download

2011-09-24 Thread Pranav Lal


-Original Message-
From: blindmath-boun...@nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-boun...@nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Richard Baldwin
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:13 AM
To: BlindMath Mailing List; accessibleim...@freelists.org
Subject: [Blindmath] Version 0.0.10 of SVGDraw01 is now available for
download

Version 0.0.10  of my drawing program for blind students is now posted at:
http://www.austincc.edu/baldwin/SWT-SVG/SVGDraw01.zip and is available for
immediate download.

This version differs from the previous version in two major respects:

1. Addition of clipping capability
The Mod menu now contains a "Clip" action. This action allows you to use one
shape to determine what portion of a second shape actually gets drawn. The
capability is useful for a variety of purposes, one of the most important of
which is to draw circular and elliptical arcs.

2. New packaging
Beginning with this version, I am also trying out a new packaging scheme.
With this scheme, anyone having access to a computer with a Windows
operating system, version XP or later, 32-bit or 64-bit hardware, can run
the SVGDraw01 program from any folder on the disk and even run the program
from a USB flash drive.


Perform the following two steps to run the program
1. Extract all of the material from the zip file into an empty folder being
careful to preserve the directory tree structure.
2. Execute the file named RunSVGDraw01.bat.

Unlike previous versions of the program, it is not necessary for you to have
Java installed on your computer to run the program.

When the program starts, you will land on Home Base from which you can
select any of the actions provided by the menus. Instructions for opening
the Instructions document are printed on Home Base.

Alternatively, you can simply open the file named Instructions.htm in your
browser and read the instructions without running the program.

This is my first time using this packaging scheme. If you encounter any
problems, please let me know.

bald...@dickbaldwin.com

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http://www.DickBaldwin.com

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Re: [AI] powerpoint question

2011-09-24 Thread BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA
hello! my question is how to rename the slide. i want to rename slide1 as 
startup, is it possible or not.


- Original Message - 
From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] powerpoint question



Hi,

Each slide has a title field and a body field. In order to recognize
slides by title, label the title field accordingly. If you mean by
that question "reorganization of your slides, then that's another
matter and requires different step.

Vetri.

On 23/09/2011, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA  wrote:

hello accessindia!

i have a power point presentation, has contained 55 sslides. they are
arranged as slide 1, slide 2, slide 3, so on. i want to rename all the
slides according to their content. please provide me solution, as i am 
using

office 2003.

thanks.

bhawani
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[AI] Webvisum

2011-09-24 Thread Ketan Kothari
Hi friends,

I have opened an account.  How do I activagte the webvisum?  How do I use it?  
How and when do I need to disable it?  Thank you.

Ketan
Ketan Kothari
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Cell: 9987550614
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Re: [AI] Firefox 6

2011-09-24 Thread Ketan Kothari
I have firefox 5.  How do I upgrade it?  How do I use webvisum?  Do I need 
to download it?  Please help.



- Original Message - 
From: "inamuddin" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Firefox 6


yes it is accessible and webvisum is working too, if you upgrade webvisum. 
With regards from Inamuddin/charlsdarwin1
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From: "Ketan Kothari" 

To: "access india" 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 5:48 AM
Subject: [AI] Firefox 6



Dear Friends,

Is firefox 6 accessible with JAWS 11?  Is webvism working?  Where do I 
get it from?  Thank you.

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Re: [AI] Firefox 6

2011-09-24 Thread inamuddin
yes it is accessible and webvisum is working too, if you upgrade webvisum. 
With regards from Inamuddin/charlsdarwin1
- Original Message - 
From: "Ketan Kothari" 

To: "access india" 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 5:48 AM
Subject: [AI] Firefox 6



Dear Friends,

Is firefox 6 accessible with JAWS 11?  Is webvism working?  Where do I get 
it from?  Thank you.

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[AI] Firefox 6

2011-09-24 Thread Ketan Kothari
Dear Friends,

Is firefox 6 accessible with JAWS 11?  Is webvism working?  Where do I get it 
from?  Thank you.
Ketan Kothari
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Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.

2011-09-24 Thread B. R. Nautial

Hello Sir
If you need Bhagvat Geeta "Hindi version" in audio format, you can contact 
me offline

With Regards
B. R. Nautial
- Original Message - 
From: "RAJ VASWANI" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



Hello all,

I'd like to know that isn't it available originally in Sanskrit and its 
translation in Hindi in Audio format?

If yes, then how and from where can I get the same?

Kindly try to reply at the earliest.

Thanks and regards,
- Original Message - 
From: "Deepak Kumar Singla" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



And, it is also available in audio format...

It was produced by Sri Sathya Sai Organisation and was aired some years 
back on the radio service called radio sai global harmony. the shlokas 
are first chanted in the original sanskrit and then you can hear their 
meaning in english.


i think it can still be downloadable from their site at www.radiosai.org


or DVDs / CDs can be bought from the Sri Sathya Sai Books Trust, 
Puttaparthi.


- Original Message - 
From: "RAJ VASWANI" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



Hello there,

I've heard sometime back that Shrimad Bhagwad Gita is available in 32 
volumes in Braille with AICB Rohini Delhi.
- Original Message - 
From: "shilpi singh" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



@friend, i have seen bible  and quran in braille but i don't think so
bhagvat geeta is available in braille in across the country. warm
regards

On 9/24/11, Amiyo Biswas  wrote:

Hello,

Is Bhagavat Geeta available in Braille? I need this information for 
another

friend of mine.

Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
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Re: [AI] how to chat through gmail account

2011-09-24 Thread Ketan Kothari

The messenger is called AIM but is developed by AOL.
- Original Message - 
From: "Shona Man" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] how to chat through gmail account


Hi, can you tell me that how will be used this AOL messanger? Is it AIM or 
AOL?


On 9/24/11, Ketan Kothari  wrote:

Hi,

Even better, you can install AIM (AOL Messenger) and you can not only 
chat
on Google talk but even MSN, Facebook, Yahoo and so on.  The current 
version

is 7.5 and it does not require any JAWS script as of JAWS 11 and above.

Ketan
- Original Message -
From: "shilpi singh" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] how to chat through gmail account



hello friend you can install google talk with jaws skript and start
chatting.

On 9/24/11, uday yadav  wrote:

hi I am Uday Yadav..how shuld i chat through gmail account and how do i
know
that the person is online as my  jaws does not support it also how do i
go
to the persons name whom i want to chat
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Re: [AI] how to chat through gmail account

2011-09-24 Thread Shona Man
Hi, can you tell me that how will be used this AOL messanger? Is it AIM or AOL?

On 9/24/11, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Even better, you can install AIM (AOL Messenger) and you can not only chat
> on Google talk but even MSN, Facebook, Yahoo and so on.  The current version
> is 7.5 and it does not require any JAWS script as of JAWS 11 and above.
>
> Ketan
> - Original Message -
> From: "shilpi singh" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] how to chat through gmail account
>
>
>> hello friend you can install google talk with jaws skript and start
>> chatting.
>>
>> On 9/24/11, uday yadav  wrote:
>>> hi I am Uday Yadav..how shuld i chat through gmail account and how do i
>>> know
>>> that the person is online as my  jaws does not support it also how do i
>>> go
>>> to the persons name whom i want to chat
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Re: [AI] DJS exam announced

2011-09-24 Thread Shona Man
Ok nice to hear that there are 5 seats reserved for us!
I want to say Mr Rahul that I also was appeared in last exam(DJS) held
on 14th of Febrary 2009, I also faced the same problem, I got the
scribe who was hindi primary teacher, I immediatly raised an objection
and with in 10 minutes the coordinator replaced my scribe who was very
good reader. However I couldn't manage to score 55% in prilims. As you
rightly pointed out that we should give in advance the application in
this regard to the registrar of the highcourt. If we decide then we
can go all together if you are in Delhi?

On 9/23/11, Sinoj  wrote:
> There are 5 posts reserved for VI.  For more
> http://talkingnet.blogspot.com/2011/09/delhi-judicial-service-exam-2011-by.html
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shona Man" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 3:53 PM
> Subject: [AI] DJS exam announced
>
>
> Hi friends, as you might be aware that Delhi highcourt has announced
> the scheme of the examination for delhi judicial services of which
> prilimnary exam will be held on 18th of december. There are 6 seats
> reserved for PH quota. But I don't know how many are earmarked for
> blind/lowvision? If any one has information then please share. One
> another thing is that the candidates who are eligible to appear in
> this exam may share material and tips for preparation, because it is
> very good opportunity to show our tallent and to become a judicial
> magistrate. I think there is no judge from our community.
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Re: [AI] Guidelines for barrier free environment

2011-09-24 Thread m.chandrashekar
hello friends, in my opinion, government has to build beautiful footpath for 
easy walking for all the people. it is the duty of government to create easy 
walking area along the roads for disabled. we can take this matter in to 
court for justice collectively. in india, most of the roads are either under 
repair, or under construction work. we cannot walk on the road, but it is 
the duty of the government to keep the footpath in good condition always. 
then only we can think about safe and independent mobility with the help of 
white cane.

with best regards
m.chandru
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From: "Eyeway Helpdesk" 

To: "Access India" 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:09 PM
Subject: [AI] Guidelines for barrier free environment



Hi all,

Greetings from Eyeway Helpdesk!

One of our caller asked us if there are some guidelines in place to make 
the hospitals accessible to persons with disabilities.


We could find the Guidelines and Space Standards for  Barrier Free Built 
Environment for Disabled and Elderly Persons, issued in 1998 by  Central 
Public Works Department, Ministry of Urban Affairs & Employment, 
Government of India. 
(www.urbanindia.nic.in/writereaddata/GuideLines%20of%20Schemes/92.pdf).


Are there any updates to these guidelines? and, are there any 
international guidelines in place?



Thanks,
With best regards,
Satguru Rathi | Helpdesk Executive
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loss
C/o Score Foundation, 17/107 L.G.F., Vikram Vihar, Lajpat Nagar - 4, New 
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Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

2011-09-24 Thread Rahul Bajaj
BTW, what is echolocation?
How does it work?


On 24/09/2011, Madhu Singhal  wrote:
> Dear Members,
> I will say two things require. 1 White cane.2 Confidence.
> We should know the right tacnic to use the cane. It will make you walk
> comfortably.
> But new surroundings surely you should have confidence and you should not
> feel shy to ask public help. It needs lot of patience.- Original
> Message -
> From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>
>
> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid
> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no
> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are
> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation
> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on
> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the
> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone
> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's
> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put
> himself or herself in danger.
>
> Vetri.
>
> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar  wrote:
>> Sorry,  in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could
>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white
>> cane, and that too is not well explained.
>> Renuka.
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur  wrote:
>>> Friends,
>>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all.
>>>  Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen
>>> readers.
>>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social
>>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one.
>>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern  yet for me
>>> personal satisfaction matters most.
>>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules
>>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go
>>> with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good
>>> mobility.
>>> I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without
>>> sighted escort.
>>> Above all, self satisfaction is really important.
>>> Though it’s tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is
>>> possible.
>>> I don’t want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary
>>> sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try
>>> to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible.
>>> let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list.
>>> Thanks…
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
 Hi all,

 First of all, I'm glad to see this thread.
 I think that this matters more than all other screen readers,
 assistive devices and all such other things.

 Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move
 on their own.
 I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around.
  Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are
 more dependent on others than those who use white canes are.

 I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide
 instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on
 others.
  Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not
 require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really
 don't know how they actually manage it.

 I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards
 those who use white canes.
 I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic
 change in their behavior.
 They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they
 start asking ridiculous questions.
 All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I
 believe that it happens more if you use a white cane.
 Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we
 have?

 On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker  wrote:
> The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the
> disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply
> accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational,
> free and independent.
> We need to  may be think further in lines of human interdependence
> rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not
> only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled.
> When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would
> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured.
> Best,
>
> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee  wrote:
>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural
>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter
>> difficulties like coliding with someone or

Re: [AI] Mobility

2011-09-24 Thread Sathiyaprakash Ramdoss
 Extremely sorry folks. I am certainly not intending to steal the
thunder of this interesting thread. However, as a token of my
gratitude for the effective English communication skills that I've
learned from   Shadab Ji's blog, I am just  giving a thesaurus meaning
for the word  "Cruising" on behalf.
 "cruising"  refers to traveling on a constant speed, without any
hurry. We can also say something like   cruising towards victory,
cruising towards hope etc.. Sorry for the unnecessary interruption,
please carry-on folks. Thank You.

 Sincerely Yours,

Sathiyaprakash.

On 9/23/11, Phen Varghese  wrote:
> Then tell the meaning of that word which you were meaning I have no
> time to look into it.
>
>
> On 9/23/11, Shadab Husain  wrote:
>> Had you checked the dictionary before writing this, it would have been
>> better. Anyways, please do it now. Regards. Shadab
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/23/11, Phen Varghese  wrote:
>>> Dear Shadab,
>>>
>>> Please make sure about what you are writing in your mail.
>>> It is crossing not CRUISING.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/23/11, Shadab Husain  wrote:
 congratulations. Am CRUISING TOWARDS DELHI ALONE...IN TRAIN. GOD KNOWS
 WHAT IS IN STORE FOR ME! CHEERS. Shadab

 On 9/23/11, Shona Man  wrote:
> Hi friends I want to make you aware in special circumstances even when
> u have sighted person with you! Some time what happens the person
> assisting you become busy staring something else' say for e.g the
> shops, sighnboard etc that he remains fail to make you hit by any
> other object, therefore its better idea to have cane with you. Friends
> I am happy to breathe in this beautiful world today because yesterday
> I could escape my demise! a road exedent occurred to me when I was
> crossing the road with one of my sighted friend, when infront of vishv
> vidhyalia metro station we were crossing the road all of the sudden a
> bike with speed of neer about 40km/s hit us badly and we were thrown
> parallel to the direction of the bike. Fortunately no vehicle was
> coming behind the bike otherwise we would have been over run by
> another vehicle. I remained senseless for a minute, then I realised
> that my body is all right except few injuries. I am taking treatment.
> So specially please take care while  crossing the road, because
> sometime drivers of rushing vehicle don't know that the person is
> blind.
>
> On 9/23/11, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>> No, no, Bhavani Bhai, I am not so fortunate, at times have not even
>> been
>> allowed an escort, let alone a female one!
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of BHAWANI
>> SHANKAR
>> VERMA
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:39 PM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Mobility
>>
>> ofcourse sir, hope to see you with a female escort whenever we meet!
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Mobility
>>
>>
>>> Well, Amar, why a "Man" only?
>>> A girl/lady would serve the purpose equally well,  or perhaps better.
>>> Smile!!
>>> It only shows our paternalistic linguistic bias.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amar
>>> Jain
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:26 PM
>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Mobility
>>>
>>> Rahul,
>>> My personal view is that you should appoint a man who can act as a
>>> driver
>>> and as assistant both.
>>> Regards
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rahul Bajaj
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:55 PM
>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Mobility
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> First of all, thank you for your valuable views.
>>> Even I mostly take the help of sighted guides, but it sometimes
>>> becomes difficult to find a sighted guide for going everywhere.
>>> Have you appointed a person specifically for assisting you, or do you
>>> take the help of family members and friends?
>>>
>>> On 21/09/2011, yusuf  wrote:
 Hi Friend
 I use white cane everywhere
 but, if somebody is ready to go with me
 then I take sighted assistance.
 and I don't wait for sighted assistance.
 - Original Message -
 From: "BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA" 
 To: 
 Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 7:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Mobility


> white cane.
> if sighted assistance available, then opt for sighted assistance.
>>>

[AI] Fwd: Facinating:- 32-hour-old is youngest eye donor

2011-09-24 Thread Wahid Raza
Hi all,
hope all are doing fine
pasting below article which get from another listt.
Regards
Wahid

-- Forwarded message --

Facinating:- 32-hour-old is youngest eye donor

Mumbai: When their newborn daughter met an untimely death a mere 32
hours after birth, bereaved Kandivli couple Hetal and Dhimant Shah
took a pledge -- they would take all their sorrow and turn it into the
most precious gift: the gift of vision. They decided that their
beloved infant would live on in the eyes of others, who would think of
her every time they enjoyed the wondrous beauties of the world. With
no hesitation in their minds, the couple decided to donate their
infant's eyes, making her the youngest ever eye donor in the city, and
perhaps in the world.

The infant's death came as a big blow to the Shah family, who had been
waiting with bated breath for her birth. The family's euphoria,
however, was cruelly nipped in the bud, when she was diagnosed with a
heart ailment within hours of her birth.

"She had to be put on ventilator support immediately, as her condition
was critical," said Dr Dilip Raichura of the Raichura maternity
hospital in Kandivli.

When the family learnt that their newborn might be snatched from them
soon, they decided to preserve and perpetuate at least one part of
their bundle of joy. "My father has always encouraged and supported
eye donation. When my uncle Ramesh passed away, we had also donated
his eyes. So we decided that my daughter's eyes too would be donated.
She would live on, not only in our memory, but in the eyes of others,"
said the donor's father Dhimant, who works as a chartered accountant
with a private firm.



The donor's mother Hetal Shah (24) said, "My daughter has brought back
the gleam of recognition in the eyes of no less than six people.
Perhaps she was sent to this world to serve this very purpose. God
sent her here to perform thus selfless act. She has lived for only 32
hours, but in the short life span, she has made me proud."

According to Raichura, who runs the Netradan Jagruti Centre in
Kandivli, the deceased newborn is perhaps the youngest eye donor in
the country. "The parents have done something truly admirable. Other
parents should take inspiration from them and start pledging their
eyes, and instructing their kids to do the same. A single cornea can
give the blessing of eyesight to three individuals. Thus the infant's
eyes will illuminate the lives of six recipients," he said.

In the past few years, Raichura has encouraged over 400 people to
donate their eyes. "In the city of Navsari in Gujarat, people have
made the greatest number of eye donations in the nation," said
Raichura.

Dhimant's father Vijay, who is actively involved in the eye donation
awareness drive spearheaded by Raichura, said, "Superstitions and
religious beliefs hold back people from donating eyes. But we firmly
believe that by granting vision to others, she is doing work for the
welfare of others, even in death."

Expert speak
Renowned ophthalmologist Dr T P Lahane, head of the ophthalmology
department at JJ hospital, said, "She is the youngest donor; before
this, I had heard of a nine-month-old child's eyes being donated. It
is a beautiful, selfless gesture on the part of the family members.
Such acts should be encouraged."

First couple donates eyes
On September 8 this year, on the occasion of National Eye Donation
Day, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his wife Gursharan Kaur took a
pledge to donate their eyes. The couple said in a joint statement: "We
are aware that there are innumerable cornea-blind patients in our
country, for whom the gift of sight will be a priceless one. We hope
that people across the country will rise to the occasion and support
the National Program for Control of Blindness and help their fellow
brethren."

They also lauded the National Eye Bank and corneal transplantation
teams across the country for their efforts to bring back the gleam of
vision in the eyes of those in need.

284 million
The total number of visually impaired people in the world, according
to the World Health Organisation.

4.6 million
The number of sightless people in India

1/4th
The world's total visually impaired population is Indian

39 million
The number of blind people in the world

245 million
The number of people afflicted with low vision

1919
The BSNL/MTNL toll-free nation-wide number you can call to be
connected to the nearest eye bank.

--

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Re: [AI] computer teacher

2011-09-24 Thread anil joshi
hello! You can contact to neeraj manglik (mo. 9650364469) in gajiabad.
I think some of our list member als
o knows him.

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> hi folks
>
> As requested earlier also that am looking for computer teacher for my
> son who can give home tutions . he has little knowledge of jaws and
> basics little bit clear . although I got response from the group
> members who are ready to teach him but they were outstation , which
> seems little difficult to me for execution as for online understanding
> he is too young . I request someone who lives nearby as i am putting
> in Indirapuram .Looking for help in this matter from group members
> Thanks and regards
>
> "Love is the only solution to all the problems of life."
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Re: [AI] how to chat through gmail account

2011-09-24 Thread Ketan Kothari

Hi,

Even better, you can install AIM (AOL Messenger) and you can not only chat 
on Google talk but even MSN, Facebook, Yahoo and so on.  The current version 
is 7.5 and it does not require any JAWS script as of JAWS 11 and above.


Ketan
- Original Message - 
From: "shilpi singh" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] how to chat through gmail account


hello friend you can install google talk with jaws skript and start 
chatting.


On 9/24/11, uday yadav  wrote:
hi I am Uday Yadav..how shuld i chat through gmail account and how do i 
know
that the person is online as my  jaws does not support it also how do i 
go

to the persons name whom i want to chat
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Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.

2011-09-24 Thread RAJ VASWANI

Hello all,

I'd like to know that isn't it available originally in Sanskrit and its 
translation in Hindi in Audio format?

If yes, then how and from where can I get the same?

Kindly try to reply at the earliest.

Thanks and regards,
- Original Message - 
From: "Deepak Kumar Singla" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



And, it is also available in audio format...

It was produced by Sri Sathya Sai Organisation and was aired some years 
back on the radio service called radio sai global harmony. the shlokas are 
first chanted in the original sanskrit and then you can hear their meaning 
in english.


i think it can still be downloadable from their site at www.radiosai.org


or DVDs / CDs can be bought from the Sri Sathya Sai Books Trust, 
Puttaparthi.


- Original Message - 
From: "RAJ VASWANI" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



Hello there,

I've heard sometime back that Shrimad Bhagwad Gita is available in 32 
volumes in Braille with AICB Rohini Delhi.
- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



@friend, i have seen bible  and quran in braille but i don't think so
bhagvat geeta is available in braille in across the country. warm
regards

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Hello,

Is Bhagavat Geeta available in Braille? I need this information for 
another

friend of mine.

Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: 91-9433464329
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Re: [AI] how to chat through gmail account

2011-09-24 Thread shilpi singh
hello friend you can install google talk with jaws skript and start chatting.

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> that the person is online as my  jaws does not support it also how do i go
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[AI] The visually impaired visionary who lives life to the fullest

2011-09-24 Thread Prashant Naik
The visually impaired visionary who lives life to the fullest
Source - 
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/interview_the-visually-impaired-visionary-who-lives-life-to-the-fullest_1589221
Published: Monday, September 19, 2011, 21:08 IST
By Daniel Pinto | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA

Heinrich Wagner is a visually impaired man, one who has brazenly
performed numerous feats that would reduce most 'normal' human beings
to quivering, cowering messes. Apart from participating in several
endurance-testing marathons, the Capetonian has broken two land speed
records, sky-dived from a height of 10,000 feet and bungee-jumped from
one of the highest bridges in the world. Apart from cycling solo for
39km, Wagner has completed the 2011 ABSA Cape Epic (regarded as the
Tour de France of mountain biking). Wagner took part in the Hong Kong
Iron Man in 2006, completing 180km on a tandem bicycle in extreme
weather conditions. He also tried his hand, successfully, at
mountaineering and rafting. Oh, and he played in the 1998 blind
cricket World Cup, which his side won.

DNA's Daniel Pinto spoke to this indefatigable and unvanquished
individual who is also a sought-after motivational speaker and was in
Mumbai last week to address a gathering of top business executives.
Excerpts:

It’s natural for people to dwell on things they can’t change and
attribute their failures to it. What made you different?
I was born blind. For 25 years I was cross with god, the universe.
Eighteen years ago I set sail on a 28-day journey from Cape Town to
Rio [de Janeiro] with two blind mates and a hearing-impaired skipper.
It was there that I experienced this big, beautiful world and realised
that I was so small in the universe. It was then that I decided to
live a full life and stop feeling sorry for myself and blaming the
world for the fact that I couldn’t see.

What made you go in for adrenaline-pumping, physically challenging sports?
It started out with me wanting to show the world, but then it came
full circle after it became an option to market the abilities of
differently abled people.

I founded an organisation, VisionTree, in 2004 and all the adventurous
activities I tackle are to fund it. After I completed a race on a
tandem, the organisation was able to put six blind girls through six
months of computer training. And the adrenaline rush, of course, is
probably the closest I get to the sensation of sight.

How do you deal with the concerns of family and friends about your
physical well being?
I respect them very much. I care for them, which is why when I’m about
to face danger, I surround myself with professionals and people in the
know, like terrain experts. When I broke the land speed record for the
second time (after Wagner became the first South African to break a
world land speed record in 2005, he went on to break the world blind
land speed record by averaging a speed of 322.5kph in 2009), I
consulted a professional racer in the UK and drove a Mercedes SL65 AMG
which is a safe car.

Adventure sports will always be risky. The element of risk adds to the
adventure. My family has always been very supportive. When I broke the
land speed record, it was two weeks before my wedding, and my wife was
there at the event. So you can imagine!

When it comes to making judgments and decisions, a lot depends on
visual input. What system have you developed to aid you in your
endeavours?
Most of it comes from feeling. I’m good at picking things up through
my senses. I’ve used my gut feeling. And, of course, I make mistakes,
but that’s why I travel. If you travel across different countries and
experience different cultures, it expands your point of view and your
frames of reference.

How was your last visit to India?
The last time I was in your country it was for the 1998 blind cricket
World Cup in Delhi. I was playing for South Africa and there was huge
support from the local crowd because we were up against Pakistan in
the final.

Are you a spiritual person?
Yes, very much so. I think I am guided by my spirit. I believe in my
instinct. I try to be in balance with my spiritual side. I spend time
thinking about where I am at and I consider my opportunities.

Tell us about your autobiographical show ‘Bat Magic’ that you perform
at art festivals.
The main driving force behind the show, which started in 2003, was to
show the lighter side of living in darkness. The show managed to put
across humour. It was very well received and when corporate
presentations came along I was able to reuse material. Incidentally,
the festival we launched the in 2003 was the place where I met my wife
Melindi.

As a man who has risen above circumstance, how would you define success?
To use a quote, success is a progressive realisation of a worthwhile
dream. Success is a vastly individual thing. But what's important is
you have to live the ideal and it will become a reality.

You have accomplished several things that are, in an understatement,
astounding. What achievement are you prou

[AI] required information mobile handset information talks supported except nokia

2011-09-24 Thread Rachel Singh
Hello AI respected members:

Before introducing myself, I  would like to know which are the mobile handsets 
which support talks except nokia? If incase it has been asked earlier then 
would request to send the information of the list. I am also looking for books 
for UGC net preparation.

regards,
Rachel, from Delhi.
Working with an NGO. Loves to travel by air, helping people, reading books 
pertaining to medical and healthcare.
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Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.

2011-09-24 Thread Deepak Kumar Singla

And, it is also available in audio format...

It was produced by Sri Sathya Sai Organisation and was aired some years back 
on the radio service called radio sai global harmony. the shlokas are first 
chanted in the original sanskrit and then you can hear their meaning in 
english.


i think it can still be downloadable from their site at www.radiosai.org


or DVDs / CDs can be bought from the Sri Sathya Sai Books Trust, 
Puttaparthi.


- Original Message - 
From: "RAJ VASWANI" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



Hello there,

I've heard sometime back that Shrimad Bhagwad Gita is available in 32 
volumes in Braille with AICB Rohini Delhi.
- Original Message - 
From: "shilpi singh" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



@friend, i have seen bible  and quran in braille but i don't think so
bhagvat geeta is available in braille in across the country. warm
regards

On 9/24/11, Amiyo Biswas  wrote:

Hello,

Is Bhagavat Geeta available in Braille? I need this information for 
another

friend of mine.

Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: 91-9433464329
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Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.

2011-09-24 Thread Deepak Kumar Singla

i think it is still available at NIVH Dehradun Braille press..

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Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.


I saw it in the braille press of dehra dun long ago. I do not know about it 
today.


Sent by emoze push mail


-
From: "shilpi singh" 
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.
Date: 24th September 2011 3:54 pm

@friend, i have seen bible  and quran in braille but i don't think so
bhagvat geeta is available in braille in across the country. warm
regards

On 9/24/11, Amiyo Biswas  wrote:

Hello,

Is Bhagavat Geeta available in Braille? I need this information for 
another

friend of mine.

Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: 91-9433464329
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Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.

2011-09-24 Thread B. R. Nautial

Yes, may be available in Braille press, dehradun.
please contact
Manager, Braill Press, NIVH, Dehradun.
Phone: 0135-2526040
0135-2526041
0135-2526042
0135-2526043
With Regards
B. R. Nautial
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Subject: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



Hello,

Is Bhagavat Geeta available in Braille? I need this information for 
another friend of mine.


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Re: [AI] Urgent: Has Tata photon blocked sendspace?

2011-09-24 Thread mukesh jain
Hello,
With great inconvenience, I reiterate my comments given on the
captioned subject. The reason being that from last two days after
sending my said comments even me too facing the same problem. Don’t
know the reason but it seems that service provider might have blocked
this site as I have checked that if there is any temporary suspention
made by my antivirus or blocked by firewall but this does not seems to
be the case. So I do request the users of this site specially photon
to let me know whether they are facing the same problem.

Response awaited.


On 9/23/11, mukesh jain  wrote:
> at list for photon i am able to download the files with no problem.
> don't know whether this is the problem with free user of sendspace as
> i am the premium user of the site.
>
>
> On 9/23/11, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> I have been trying to log onto sendspace for downloading various files
>> for
>> past 2/3 days unsuccessfully.  As I press the link, I see the URL address
>> and after awhile I get the message "Internet Explorer cannot display the
>> webpage" and so on.  I checked with Photon people but they don't even
>> know
>> the name "sendspace".  But has it been blocked in India or at least by
>> Photon?  Do help please.
>>
>> Thank you
>> Ketan Kothari
>> Phone: [r] 24223281,
>> Cell: 9987550614
>> MSN ID: muktake...@hotmail.com
>> Skype ID: Ketan
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> --
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> master you. Let them teach you patience, sweetness, insight. "
>
> Helen Keller
>


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Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

2011-09-24 Thread Madhu Singhal

Dear Members,
I will say two things require. 1 White cane.2 Confidence.
We should know the right tacnic to use the cane. It will make you walk 
comfortably.
But new surroundings surely you should have confidence and you should not 
feel shy to ask public help. It needs lot of patience.- Original 
Message - 
From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?


But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid
that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no
vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are
looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation
and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on
escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the
forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone
walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's
nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put
himself or herself in danger.

Vetri.

On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar  wrote:

Sorry,  in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could
not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white
cane, and that too is not well explained.
Renuka.


On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur  wrote:

Friends,
First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all.
 Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen
readers.
What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social
dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one.
Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern  yet for me
personal satisfaction matters most.
Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules
questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go
with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good
mobility.
I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without
sighted escort.
Above all, self satisfaction is really important.
Though it’s tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is
possible.
I don’t want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary
sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try
to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible.
let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list.
Thanks…


On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:

Hi all,

First of all, I'm glad to see this thread.
I think that this matters more than all other screen readers,
assistive devices and all such other things.

Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move
on their own.
I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around.
 Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are
more dependent on others than those who use white canes are.

I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide
instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on
others.
 Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not
require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really
don't know how they actually manage it.

I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards
those who use white canes.
I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic
change in their behavior.
They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they
start asking ridiculous questions.
All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I
believe that it happens more if you use a white cane.
Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we
have?

On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker  wrote:

The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the
disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply
accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational,
free and independent.
We need to  may be think further in lines of human interdependence
rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not
only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled.
When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would
rather prefer an escort, than getting injured.
Best,

On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee  wrote:

i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural
area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter
difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which
really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons
without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my
train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the
abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were
times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks.

moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in
larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighte

Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.

2011-09-24 Thread RAJ VASWANI

Hello there,

I've heard sometime back that Shrimad Bhagwad Gita is available in 32 
volumes in Braille with AICB Rohini Delhi.
- Original Message - 
From: "shilpi singh" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



@friend, i have seen bible  and quran in braille but i don't think so
bhagvat geeta is available in braille in across the country. warm
regards

On 9/24/11, Amiyo Biswas  wrote:

Hello,

Is Bhagavat Geeta available in Braille? I need this information for 
another

friend of mine.

Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
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[AI] how to chat through gmail account

2011-09-24 Thread uday yadav
hi I am Uday Yadav..how shuld i chat through gmail account and how do i know
that the person is online as my  jaws does not support it also how do i go
to the persons name whom i want to chat
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Re: [AI] About Complaining against a BSNL Service.

2011-09-24 Thread BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA
you should first lodge a written complaint to your circle general manager, 
CGM, bsnl. if they don't listen, then you may proceed to department of 
telecommunication, DOT, 15 ashoka road, sanchar bhawan, new delhi.


thanks.

- Original Message - 
From: "Amiyo Biswas" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:14 PM
Subject: [AI] About Complaining against a BSNL Service.



Hello,

Some days back I got an offer from IndiaGames, a private service working 
with BSNL. It's actually a site for online games. the web address is

http://bsnl1.indiagames.com/


The representative told me that I can listen to music and watch video 
also. However, there is nothing like this. I never used it as the games 
are not accessible. there is no question of song of movie.


I unsubscribed it online several times. I called them over phone. Still 
they are deducting Rs.218 every month. Since I have ECS arrangement with 
BSNL. the amount is being deducted automatically. I have a pdf copy of the 
web page where my unsubscribing was confirmed.


I want to lodge a complain against the company so that my last two months' 
payment is refunded. Please suggest what I should do.


Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
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Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.

2011-09-24 Thread BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA

yes, it is available in AICB, NIVH and may be in NAB braille press, mumbai.

- Original Message - 
From: "Amiyo Biswas" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.



Hello,

Is Bhagavat Geeta available in Braille? I need this information for 
another friend of mine.


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Re: [AI] About Complaining against a BSNL Service.

2011-09-24 Thread mahendra

Hi Amiyoda

go to consumer court, you will be best served there.


At 11:44 AM 9/24/2011, you wrote:

Hello,

Some days back I got an offer from IndiaGames, a private service 
working with BSNL. It's actually a site for online games. the web address is

http://bsnl1.indiagames.com/


The representative told me that I can listen to music and watch 
video also. However, there is nothing like this. I never used it as 
the games are not accessible. there is no question of song of movie.


I unsubscribed it online several times. I called them over phone. 
Still they are deducting Rs.218 every month. Since I have ECS 
arrangement with BSNL. the amount is being deducted automatically. I 
have a pdf copy of the web page where my unsubscribing was confirmed.


I want to lodge a complain against the company so that my last two 
months' payment is refunded. Please suggest what I should do.


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Amiyo Biswas
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Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.

2011-09-24 Thread ashikhirani
I saw it in the braille press of dehra dun long ago. I do not know about it 
today. 

Sent by emoze push mail


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From:   "shilpi singh" 
Subject:Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.
Date:   24th September 2011 3:54 pm

@friend, i have seen bible  and quran in braille but i don't think so
bhagvat geeta is available in braille in across the country. warm
regards

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>
> Is Bhagavat Geeta available in Braille? I need this information for another
> friend of mine.
>
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Re: [AI] hi Friends!

2011-09-24 Thread Krishnan

hi smitha,
warm welcome to this group. please contact with kerala federation of the 
blind head office tvm on 0471 2304831 or 9447151421.
- Original Message - 
From: "Smitha VB" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 1:36 PM
Subject: [AI] hi Friends!



Hi,

Smitha here. I’m new to the forum.  I lost my vision three years ago as a 
result of a  complication developed during my second delivery.  It 
happened just three  months  after my open defense of the PHD PROGRAMME. I’m 
a biotechnologist and my research area is cancer biology.  Presently 
working as assistant professor,  in the department of biotechnology, 
university of Calicut, kerala. I’m  basically from kochi, kerala, happily 
married  and blessed with two kids. Regarding my hobbies, I used to enjoy 
many a things  , but the loss of vision now restrict be to my most 
favourite one’s among the lot,  Books and music.  llooking forward to the 
facilities  and friendship provided by the forum.




Thanks and regards,

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Re: [AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.

2011-09-24 Thread shilpi singh
@friend, i have seen bible  and quran in braille but i don't think so
bhagvat geeta is available in braille in across the country. warm
regards

On 9/24/11, Amiyo Biswas  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is Bhagavat Geeta available in Braille? I need this information for another
> friend of mine.
>
> Best regards,
> Amiyo Biswas
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[AI] About Complaining against a BSNL Service.

2011-09-24 Thread Amiyo Biswas
Hello,

Some days back I got an offer from IndiaGames, a private service working with 
BSNL. It's actually a site for online games. the web address is 
http://bsnl1.indiagames.com/


The representative told me that I can listen to music and watch video also. 
However, there is nothing like this. I never used it as the games are not 
accessible. there is no question of song of movie.

I unsubscribed it online several times. I called them over phone. Still they 
are deducting Rs.218 every month. Since I have ECS arrangement with BSNL. the 
amount is being deducted automatically. I have a pdf copy of the web page where 
my unsubscribing was confirmed.

I want to lodge a complain against the company so that my last two months' 
payment is refunded. Please suggest what I should do.

Best regards,
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[AI] Bhagavat Geeta in Braille.

2011-09-24 Thread Amiyo Biswas
Hello,

Is Bhagavat Geeta available in Braille? I need this information for another 
friend of mine.

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Re: [AI] tips

2011-09-24 Thread Jean Parker
You are welcome.  We are all here to exchange ideas and learn from each 
other.


Jean

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From: "Renuka Warriar" 

To: "Jean Parker" ; 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] tips



Thank you Jean for your tips.  This is what I wanted.  Thanks a lot again.


On 9/24/11, Jean Parker  wrote:

Tips on the end of canes that is.
For many years I have used a tip called a "rolling ball."  It is 
different
than the mushroom or marshmallow tips that some people have because the 
ball
is larger in diameter and hollow.  The end of the cane is kept on the 
ground

and the ball rolls back and forth in front of you as you walk.  The
advantages of this tip are that it doesn't get stuck as much as a 
straight

tip and because it is hollow it gives the acoustic information that is
missing in both the straight tips and some of the larger solid tips. 
This

tip has worked very well for me for over 20 years I am sure it could be
fabricated in India for much less money than I pay for mine that I get 
from

Canada.
More cane tips or rather, tips for using canes:
It is essential that the movement of your cane covers the entire width of
your body.  You must ensure that your cane has touched the ground in all 
the
places where you intend to put your feet thus avoiding holes or 
compensating
for uneven ground.  If you are right-handed for example, you would hold 
your
cane in your right hand but your hand would be in the center of your 
body,

not to the side.  In this way you will be sure to touch everything.  When
you encounter an obsticle, you would move your cane first to explore 
where

you want to put your feet before actually stepping there.
Whether or not your cane should remain on the ground or hit the ground 
with
more of a tapping action is debatable.  I leave mine on the ground 
because I
get more information that way and minimize the chance of missing 
something
important.  Feeling subtle changes in the ground or floor with my cane 
first

gives me information about where I am.
The length of a cane is also important.  Most canes in India are to short
for maximum effectiveness and present a safety problem.  So the cane can 
be

used at its full length so you have time to stop or change course if
necessary.  This avoids the problem of coming up on a flight of steps for
example and not having enough time to react in time to line up properly 
on
the steps.  Although having a longer cane is necessary, it is also 
necessary

to shorten the length by moving your hand down below the handle to
accomodate our traffic situation and overcrowding found in India and many
developing countries.  This is just situational management and practice 
to

know how far in front of you the tip of your cane should be in different
situations.
There are a million strategies like this that people use every day to 
keep

themselves independent and safe.  We could have entire discussions and
debates on how to ask questions, using compass directions, listening for
information, dealing with the public, keeping bags and belongings from
getting stolen, traveling on trains and buses, handling money, etc.

Jean

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Re: [AI] tips

2011-09-24 Thread Renuka Warriar
Thank you Jean for your tips.  This is what I wanted.  Thanks a lot again.


On 9/24/11, Jean Parker  wrote:
> Tips on the end of canes that is.
> For many years I have used a tip called a "rolling ball."  It is different
> than the mushroom or marshmallow tips that some people have because the ball
> is larger in diameter and hollow.  The end of the cane is kept on the ground
> and the ball rolls back and forth in front of you as you walk.  The
> advantages of this tip are that it doesn't get stuck as much as a straight
> tip and because it is hollow it gives the acoustic information that is
> missing in both the straight tips and some of the larger solid tips.  This
> tip has worked very well for me for over 20 years I am sure it could be
> fabricated in India for much less money than I pay for mine that I get from
> Canada.
> More cane tips or rather, tips for using canes:
> It is essential that the movement of your cane covers the entire width of
> your body.  You must ensure that your cane has touched the ground in all the
> places where you intend to put your feet thus avoiding holes or compensating
> for uneven ground.  If you are right-handed for example, you would hold your
> cane in your right hand but your hand would be in the center of your body,
> not to the side.  In this way you will be sure to touch everything.  When
> you encounter an obsticle, you would move your cane first to explore where
> you want to put your feet before actually stepping there.
> Whether or not your cane should remain on the ground or hit the ground with
> more of a tapping action is debatable.  I leave mine on the ground because I
> get more information that way and minimize the chance of missing something
> important.  Feeling subtle changes in the ground or floor with my cane first
> gives me information about where I am.
> The length of a cane is also important.  Most canes in India are to short
> for maximum effectiveness and present a safety problem.  So the cane can be
> used at its full length so you have time to stop or change course if
> necessary.  This avoids the problem of coming up on a flight of steps for
> example and not having enough time to react in time to line up properly on
> the steps.  Although having a longer cane is necessary, it is also necessary
> to shorten the length by moving your hand down below the handle to
> accomodate our traffic situation and overcrowding found in India and many
> developing countries.  This is just situational management and practice to
> know how far in front of you the tip of your cane should be in different
> situations.
> There are a million strategies like this that people use every day to keep
> themselves independent and safe.  We could have entire discussions and
> debates on how to ask questions, using compass directions, listening for
> information, dealing with the public, keeping bags and belongings from
> getting stolen, traveling on trains and buses, handling money, etc.
>
> Jean
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Re: [AI] hi Friends!

2011-09-24 Thread Renuka Warriar
Welcome Smitha to this enchanting group of visually challenged
including experts of various field.  Surely you will benefit a lot
from this group.  Please explain how you manage to take classes to
such a subject which needs a lot of visual explanation?
Renuka.

On 9/24/11, Phen Varghese  wrote:
> Dear Maddam,
>
> If you are using JAWS or any other screen reading softwares you can
> log into internet and if you want to read books you can go to
> gutenberg.org
> If you want to listen to songs then you can go to youtube.com
> If you don't no these sites and if you don't no how to use the
> computer then you can go to an NGO named RCG SRVC for the next batch.
> It is situated in Infopark Kakkanad PO Cochi Kerala.
> There they will teach you basic computer MS office and internet and
> they will give you classes based on Mobility,personality development
> and communicative English.
> If you want to contact them then their number is, 04842415080
>
> On 9/24/11, Smitha VB  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Smitha here. I’m new to the forum.  I lost my vision three years ago as a
>> result of a  complication developed during my second delivery.  It
>> happened
>> just three  months  after my open defense of the PHD PROGRAMME. I’m a
>> biotechnologist and my research area is cancer biology.  Presently working
>> as assistant professor,  in the department of biotechnology, university of
>> Calicut, kerala. I’m  basically from kochi, kerala, happily married  and
>> blessed with two kids. Regarding my hobbies, I used to enjoy many a things
>> , but the loss of vision now restrict be to my most favourite one’s among
>> the lot,  Books and music.  llooking forward to the facilities  and
>> friendship provided by the forum.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>>
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Re: [AI] hi Friends!

2011-09-24 Thread Phen Varghese
Dear Maddam,

If you are using JAWS or any other screen reading softwares you can
log into internet and if you want to read books you can go to
gutenberg.org
If you want to listen to songs then you can go to youtube.com
If you don't no these sites and if you don't no how to use the
computer then you can go to an NGO named RCG SRVC for the next batch.
It is situated in Infopark Kakkanad PO Cochi Kerala.
There they will teach you basic computer MS office and internet and
they will give you classes based on Mobility,personality development
and communicative English.
If you want to contact them then their number is, 04842415080

On 9/24/11, Smitha VB  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Smitha here. I’m new to the forum.  I lost my vision three years ago as a
> result of a  complication developed during my second delivery.  It happened
> just three  months  after my open defense of the PHD PROGRAMME. I’m a
> biotechnologist and my research area is cancer biology.  Presently working
> as assistant professor,  in the department of biotechnology, university of
> Calicut, kerala. I’m  basically from kochi, kerala, happily married  and
> blessed with two kids. Regarding my hobbies, I used to enjoy many a things
> , but the loss of vision now restrict be to my most favourite one’s among
> the lot,  Books and music.  llooking forward to the facilities  and
> friendship provided by the forum.
>
>
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> Smitha.
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Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

2011-09-24 Thread mahendra
well you can not go on, what people may say or 
ask questions, one should ignore them.
 if you go alone with your cane they may say, 
why dont you get some one to go with you, and if 
you go with escort, that we are so poor, that we 
can't go alone, let alone do anything els in life.




At 07:04 AM 9/24/2011, you wrote:

Friends,
First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all.
 Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen readers.
What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social
dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one.
Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern  yet for me
personal satisfaction matters most.
Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules
questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go
with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good
mobility.
I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without
sighted escort.
Above all, self satisfaction is really important.
Though it’s tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is possible.
I don’t want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary
sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try
to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible.
let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list.
Thanks…


On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> First of all, I'm glad to see this thread.
> I think that this matters more than all other screen readers,
> assistive devices and all such other things.
>
> Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move
> on their own.
> I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around.
>  Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are
> more dependent on others than those who use white canes are.
>
> I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide
> instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on
> others.
>  Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not
> require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really
> don't know how they actually manage it.
>
> I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards
> those who use white canes.
> I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic
> change in their behavior.
> They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they
> start asking ridiculous questions.
> All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I
> believe that it happens more if you use a white cane.
> Of course, this method also has its flaws, 
but what other option do we have?

>
> On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker  wrote:
>> The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the
>> disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply
>> accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational,
>> free and independent.
>> We need to  may be think further in lines of human interdependence
>> rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not
>> only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled.
>> When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would
>> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured.
>> Best,
>>
>> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee  wrote:
>>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural
>>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter
>>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which
>>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons
>>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my
>>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the
>>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were
>>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks.
>>>
>>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in
>>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted
>>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in
>>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a
>>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing
>>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in
>>> falling down and injuring oneself.
>>>
>>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the
>>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will
>>> come when this topic itself will become redundant.
>>>
>>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee.
>>> cell: 09433305139
>>>
>>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA  wrote:
 if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit.

 - Original Message -
 From: "Raj Debbarma" 
 To: 
 Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escor

[AI] tips

2011-09-24 Thread Jean Parker
Tips on the end of canes that is. 
For many years I have used a tip called a "rolling ball."  It is different than 
the mushroom or marshmallow tips that some people have because the ball is 
larger in diameter and hollow.  The end of the cane is kept on the ground and 
the ball rolls back and forth in front of you as you walk.  The advantages of 
this tip are that it doesn't get stuck as much as a straight tip and because it 
is hollow it gives the acoustic information that is missing in both the 
straight tips and some of the larger solid tips.  This tip has worked very well 
for me for over 20 years I am sure it could be fabricated in India for much 
less money than I pay for mine that I get from Canada.
More cane tips or rather, tips for using canes:
It is essential that the movement of your cane covers the entire width of your 
body.  You must ensure that your cane has touched the ground in all the places 
where you intend to put your feet thus avoiding holes or compensating for 
uneven ground.  If you are right-handed for example, you would hold your cane 
in your right hand but your hand would be in the center of your body, not to 
the side.  In this way you will be sure to touch everything.  When you 
encounter an obsticle, you would move your cane first to explore where you want 
to put your feet before actually stepping there.  
Whether or not your cane should remain on the ground or hit the ground with 
more of a tapping action is debatable.  I leave mine on the ground because I 
get more information that way and minimize the chance of missing something 
important.  Feeling subtle changes in the ground or floor with my cane first 
gives me information about where I am.  
The length of a cane is also important.  Most canes in India are to short for 
maximum effectiveness and present a safety problem.  So the cane can be used at 
its full length so you have time to stop or change course if necessary.  This 
avoids the problem of coming up on a flight of steps for example and not having 
enough time to react in time to line up properly on the steps.  Although having 
a longer cane is necessary, it is also necessary to shorten the length by 
moving your hand down below the handle to accomodate our traffic situation and 
overcrowding found in India and many developing countries.  This is just 
situational management and practice to know how far in front of you the tip of 
your cane should be in different situations.  
There are a million strategies like this that people use every day to keep 
themselves independent and safe.  We could have entire discussions and debates 
on how to ask questions, using compass directions, listening for information, 
dealing with the public, keeping bags and belongings from getting stolen, 
traveling on trains and buses, handling money, etc.  

Jean
 
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Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

2011-09-24 Thread Renuka Warriar
On 9/24/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan  wrote:
> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid
> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no
> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are
> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation
> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on
> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the
> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone
> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's
> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put
> himself or herself in danger.
>
> Vetri.
>
> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar  wrote:
>> Sorry,  in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could
>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white
>> cane, and that too is not well explained.
>> Renuka.
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur  wrote:
>>> Friends,
>>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all.
>>>  Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen
>>> readers.
>>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social
>>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one.
>>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern  yet for me
>>> personal satisfaction matters most.
>>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules
>>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go
>>> with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good
>>> mobility.
>>> I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without
>>> sighted escort.
>>> Above all, self satisfaction is really important.
>>> Though it’s tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is
>>> possible.
>>> I don’t want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary
>>> sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try
>>> to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible.
>>> let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list.
>>> Thanks…
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
 Hi all,

 First of all, I'm glad to see this thread.
 I think that this matters more than all other screen readers,
 assistive devices and all such other things.

 Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move
 on their own.
 I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around.
  Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are
 more dependent on others than those who use white canes are.

 I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide
 instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on
 others.
  Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not
 require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really
 don't know how they actually manage it.

 I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards
 those who use white canes.
 I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic
 change in their behavior.
 They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they
 start asking ridiculous questions.
 All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I
 believe that it happens more if you use a white cane.
 Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we
 have?

 On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker  wrote:
> The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the
> disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply
> accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational,
> free and independent.
> We need to  may be think further in lines of human interdependence
> rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not
> only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled.
> When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would
> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured.
> Best,
>
> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee  wrote:
>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural
>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter
>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which
>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons
>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my
>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the
>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were
>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks.
>>
>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in
>> larger cities here are dangerous to say