Dear Members,
I will say two things require. 1 White cane.2 Confidence.
We should know the right tacnic to use the cane. It will make you walk
comfortably.
But new surroundings surely you should have confidence and you should not
feel shy to ask public help. It needs lot of patience.----- Original
Message -----
From: "Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan" <vadhimoo...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am afraid
that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or no
vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you are
looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable expectation
and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on
escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the
forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider someone
walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's
nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such attitudes put
himself or herself in danger.
Vetri.
On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar <eren...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I could
not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the white
cane, and that too is not well explained.
Renuka.
On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur <jigneshthaku...@gmail.com> wrote:
Friends,
First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from all.
Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then screen
readers.
What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called social
dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the second one.
Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet for me
personal satisfaction matters most.
Of course while you go with white can people will ask ridicules
questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you would go
with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by developing good
mobility.
I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well without
sighted escort.
Above all, self satisfaction is really important.
Though it’s tough to manage without escort but with confidence it is
possible.
I don’t want to say that we should not use escort, its necessary
sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should honestly try
to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible.
let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list.
Thanks…
On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
First of all, I'm glad to see this thread.
I think that this matters more than all other screen readers,
assistive devices and all such other things.
Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able to move
on their own.
I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving around.
Many people also feel that those who require sighted assistance are
more dependent on others than those who use white canes are.
I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a sighted guide
instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not dependent on
others.
Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do not
require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I really
don't know how they actually manage it.
I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude towards
those who use white canes.
I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a drastic
change in their behavior.
They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, or they
start asking ridiculous questions.
All this also happens if you move around with a sighted guide, but I
believe that it happens more if you use a white cane.
Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other option do we
have?
On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker <maheshspanic...@gmail.com> wrote:
The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result of the
disability rights movement, in its social model version, simply
accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as rational,
free and independent.
We need to may be think further in lines of human interdependence
rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a myth, not
only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled.
When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, I would
rather prefer an escort, than getting injured.
Best,
On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> wrote:
i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in a rural
area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to encounter
difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object which
really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of some persons
without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually board my
train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings because of the
abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. there were
times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks.
moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. pavements in
larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even a sighted
person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a nightmare. in
rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort becomes a
necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most satisfying thing
irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no heroism in
falling down and injuring oneself.
we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but under the
present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope one day will
come when this topic itself will become redundant.
with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee.
cell: 09433305139
On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA <bsvermad...@gmail.com> wrote:
if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be replace withit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raj Debbarma" <rdbbarma...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
hi sir,
i agree with all your point.
i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new surrounding
and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find our way.
in
terms of holding hand, what i think there might be cultural
differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane its
automatically represent your blindness twards the society that
point
of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody should
have
any sort of problem.
its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers
thank you..
On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan <vadhimoo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi all,
This is an interesting subject and here are my views:
First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to find our ways
or
not. What matters is our ability to reach our destination on time
without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares about
others
thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we adopt that
mentality, then words like social dignity will make very little
sense.
Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point that Jean
made. There is a significant cultural difference in terms of
holding
someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged people in
India will agree with the fact that we don't mind holding hands not
only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among friends who may
be
visually challenged. but among the blind people here in the US
there
is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if holding
others
hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has to be aware
of
such cultural differences in this regard. My final point is to do
with
mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we should
certainly
make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, but at the
same time there is nothing wrong in asking for directions. Just a
passing comment about my attitude towards others assistance: Either
guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am intelegent
enough
to find my ways around.
Vetri.
On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> wrote:
actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far as i'm
concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for self-reliance. but
what
i would like to draw every body's attention is that the point that
Mr
Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is absolutely
valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should be
discretion
of
making my own choices for me.
On 9/22/11, mahendra <gal...@chello.at> wrote:
Dear Rajesh
i only agree with your thurd point,
to think that escort is there, and we don't need mobility is very
much
wrong.
sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, we must take
responsibility
for our life, and not totaly put responsibility on the shoulders
of
others.
secondly because of dependence on sighted, social dignity is
compromised,
and not because you have to fumble around, it shows you are
trying
your
best.
At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote:
Dear Srinivasu
Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much problems
in
mobility as totally blind do.
It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have done it
myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, and even
travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my elder sister
who
is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, all by
myself.
My point is, without escort,
1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, sometimes of
life.
2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, as you
have
to fumble around.
3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is greatly
curtailed.
As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is able to
afford,
and escort is available, except in situations where privacy is of
utmost importance.
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Srinivasu Chakravarthula
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
Hi All,
Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread raised by
Rajesh.
I know, there area lot of members in the group, who widely travel
and
I
see
them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, who never
ask
for
help at the venues. I am curious how would people with total
blindness
can
manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you come
across
tips
to
network with the people in the events.I don't consider myself to
answer
any
of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could fairly see. So
I
don't
think, this would be of any problem to people with low vision.
Any tips would also help me to share with our students at NAB.
Thanks a lot,
-Srinivasu
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