Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

[Himanshu Sahu]

Another aspect of this whole discussion regarding independent mobility
or of taking help of escort lead us to the question of time
management.
I come to my ofice on bike with my brother wihch takes around fourty minutes.
sometimes I have also come fully independently by bus and walking to
the office from the bus stand.  the whole exercise consumes around 90
minutes out of which 60-70 minutes in bus and rest for heading to
office managing full packed crowd on pavements.
One suggestion may be forwarded to come earlier but what to do if we
have scarcity of time?

On 9/28/11, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> Dear Vamshi
> Would you please elaborate on your statement written in the context of
> escort:
>
> "But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the
> remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of the
> limitation.  That's the spirit"
>
> Do you intend to communicate that a blind person should go out independently
> taking sighted assistance here and there, but not insist on a fixed escort?
> I know it can be done and I have done it, but, my point is it is  a highly
> personal choice whether one wants a fixed escort or occasional help.
> Same person may go for both the options at different times, depending on a
> host of factors like situation, place, and one's own disposition at the time
> and so on.
> Nobody has a right to look down upon a totally blind person opting for a
> fixed escort.
> By totally blind, I mean a person who is not able to do a thing visually.
> In your Pune trip, as far as I know, you had some persons who could see
> quite well, and as you yourself said, you are also able to see a bit.
> Still, you people had to take sighted assistance quite a number of times.
> Can you be always sure you will get it whenever you require?
> So, escort for mobility is surely a reasonable choice, provided it satisfies
> my triple test of availability/affordability/privacy propounded  earlier.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>
> But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the
> remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of
> the limitation.  That's the spirit required.  Society doesn't help us
> because we are visually impaired.  It helps us because we are trying
> hard to succeed despite the visual impairment.
>
>
> On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain  wrote:
>> Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is
>> a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object
>> but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or
>> foolishness might be improper.
>>
>> For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a
>> book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the
>> verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different.
>>
>> A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short,
>> in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the
>> top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with
>> two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the
>> labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply
>> his measured brushes on the remaining wall.
>>
>> I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some
>> people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide
>> while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking
>> assistance from the by passers.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Shadab
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/26/11, George Abraham  wrote:
>>> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from
>>> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the
>>> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her
>>> that
>>> I
>>> plan my trips in advance  and take care of every small detail plus there
>>> are
>>> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn
>>> up.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Vamshi. G" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>>
>>>
>>> Back on the subject.  No further comments on English language please.
>>>
>>> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places.
>>> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the
>>> help of a white cane.  But most of my doubts have been wiped off
>>> during my recent trip to Pune.
>>>
>>> I had been to Pune to meet my  friends.  We were 5 of us with
>>> different vision conditions.  We didn't have a permanent sighted guide
>>> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like
>>> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc.  W

Re: [AI] EnAble India Spelling Tool 2.0 Release Announcement!!

[suman damera]

Dear All,

EnAble India Spelling Tool request form URL has been changed, here is
the new URL:

http://www.enable-india.org/new/index.php?option=com_smartformer&Itemid=178

Alternative method:

1.  Go to EnAble India website. www.enable-india.org
2.  click on ‘training’ link and then click on ‘spelling tool request form’ 
link
3.  That’s it.


Thanks.

__
Regards
Suman
■Software Engineer - Testing■
■Enable India to empower people with disabilities■
■Main Office: #12 (Ground Floor), KHB Colony, Brahma Kumari
RoadKoramangala 8th Block, Bangalore 560 095■
■Phone:  4282 3636 /98453 13919■
■Email:   su...@enable-india.org■
■Web: www.enable-india.org



On 9/23/11, suman damera  wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> As per the users demand, EnAble India Spelling Tool 2.0 has been
> released successfully!!
>
> Procedure to obtain Spelling Tool 2.0:
>
> Remote candidates:  can directly fill on line Spelling Tool request
> form from EnAble India website. Here is the link
>
> http://www.enable-india.org/new/index.php?option=com_smartformer&Itemid=174
>
> Candidates who want to collect the cd in person can request for it in
> EI main office
>
> Introduction to Spelling Tool
>
>
> Spelling Tool is free and handy tool for all persons with visual
> impairment as well as physical impairment to improve their English
> skills. It is developed by EnAble India for those who want to enhance
> spelling skills. There are too many spellings in the English language.
> The tool enables users to practice basic words, common words, commonly
> confused words, and professional words which are critical for writing
> English in a professional environment. The tool is not a replacement
> for reading the dictionary or for learning spellings through other
> sources such as normal reading and writing.
>
> Persons especially with vision impairment (eg: non Braille users or
> Braille users who used non standard contractions) have to be careful
> about their spellings. The tendency is to write the spelling based on
> hearing its pronunciation which can cause errors.
>
> This tool hence hopes to provide awareness to such users regarding
> their level of English spellings and enables them to practice many
> words of the English language.
>
>
>
>
>
> What’s new in Spelling Tool 2.0:
>
>
> Learning mode for the words has been included.
> User will be able to do the revision on his/her weak spellings due to
> a special feature in the learning mode. You can go to the categories
> list and select the option -> ‘revision exercises for your weak
> spellings’.
> Independent TTS (IBM via Voice TTS) has been used for the dictation of
> words. Now the tool is free from JAWS scripts installation.
> Physically disable candidates also can use the tool because it’s not
> JAWS dependent
> Tool supports NVDA screen reader as well
> 4 new categories (around 260 new words) have been added. New category
> names mentioned are below:
>
>
> Work Related Words
> Common words used in office
> Professional vocabulary
> Words related to career
>
> Please refer release notes to know more about Spelling Tool 2.0
>
> Introduction to EnAble India
>
>
> Enable India is a non-profit organization working tirelessly since its
> inception from 1999 towards the economic independence and dignity of
> persons with disabilities. We cater to the needs of all kinds of
> disabilities like visually impaired, hearing impaired, physically
> disabled, mental retardation, mental illness and more across India.
> Our major thrust areas are employment, pre-employment services, and
> work place solutions, supplemental education, consulting and enabling
> other institutions working for the disabled.
>
> Thanks.
>
> __
>
> Regards
>
> Suman
>
> ■Software Engineer - Testing■
>
> ■Enable India to empower people with disabilities■
>
> ■Main Office: #12 (Ground Floor), KHB Colony, Brahma Kumari
> RoadKoramangala 8th Block, Bangalore 560 095■
>
> ■Phone:  4282 3636 /98453 13919■
>
> ■Email:   su...@enable-india.org■
>
> ■Web: www.enable-india.org
>


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Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort?

[Himanshu Sahu]

Generally, I always keep folding cane with me. I use the service of
escort for boarding me into bus and manage on my own inside and the
time of getting down. Generally, someone would be standing from my
family on prior information which I give them by cellphone and if not,
do not face much difficulty to locate Rickshaw from stand. But it
entirely depends on the distance of Rickshaw stand from bus stand
since big busses do not stop at the nearest stand of my house.
In a nutshell, on daily basis, I use escort, both permanent and
temporary, and folding cane also as per my convenient. Keeping cane
with us becomes essential when go out.


On 9/27/11, Jean Parker  wrote:
> vamshi:
>
> This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent mobility.
> It does not mean going everywhere by yourself.
>
> Jean
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Re: [AI] Regarding audio recordings of Retina India Convention

[Rishi Kewalramani]

Thanks a tonne Vamshi,
Looking forward to a positive response,
Loving regards,
Rishi.
- Original Message - 
From: "Vamshi. G" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding audio recordings of Retina India Convention



Hi Rishi,

I will enquire and let you know.

On 9/27/11, Rishi Kewalramani  wrote:

Dear Access India friends,

I was among the first ones to register for the Retina India Convention 
and

was really looking forward to it.
But unfortunately I developed a high viral fever as I arrived at Delhi on
the 23rd of September. And after visiting the doctor, I was advised to
return back to Bangalore immediately for my treatment and medication. So 
I
flew back on the 23rd itself and hence, sadly enough, couldn't make it 
for

the Retina India Convention.
I'm feeling a little better now and was just wonderingif I could 
avail
of the audio recordings of the convention, if it was recorded, to hear 
all

the important talks by those eminent speakers.
If someone has recorded  those talks, can they be shared by uploading 
them

on sendspace?
Sincerely,
Rishi
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Re: [AI] using a white cane

[Phen Varghese]

Dear Jean,

I would also like to have that document.
Can you send it to my mail?
You can send it as a attached file to my mail.

With regards,

Phen Varghese

On 9/27/11, Jean Parker  wrote:
> Dear All:
>
> In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it is
> apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal training in
> use of the white cane.  I am thinking of those who have posted who have
> become blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness
> rehabilitation training has not been available.
>
> Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and
> adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation
> center.  But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane is
> used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique.
>
> There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web
> site called "The Care and Feeding of the White Cane."  It is written for
> conditions that would be found in developed countries but is very applicable
> to our conditions in India.  It is on their web site as a series of
> documents by topic.  I do not think it is downloadable as a whole document.
> However, if enough people would find it helpful I am willing to piece it
> together in word and make it available as a printable document.  I could
> also make notations about variations in described techniques that would
> apply to our conditions.
>
> Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for
> people who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life perhaps
> it would be helpful.  Even though I have been a cane traveler for many years
> I always get something out of it every time I read it.  As a printed
> document it would also be available to reluctant family members and friends
> who really don't know how blind people manage independent travel.
>
> I would like to know if this document is something people would find of
> benefit?
>
> Jean
>
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Re: [AI] request for railway time table

[Asudani, Rajesh]

www.indianrail.gov.in
is largely accessible.
One can go to train schedule and key in the train Number, or can go to train 
between stations and find required trains.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:11 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] request for railway time table


Hello
Copying below a posting which failed to make to the list.
Harish Kotian


Quoting:


- Original Message -
From: m.chandrashekar
To: mahesh
Cc: sayeverything group
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:57 PM
Subject: request for railway time table

hello friends, i am looking for railway time table book, containing all india 
train numbers and details. it is not possible from the railway websight 
because, our screan reader may not support there. anybody scanned that printed 
book? or can i get from any library? please guide me in this regard.
with best regards
m.chandru


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[AI] about a i convention

[Kotian, H P]

Hello All

Pasting below a posting which did not get to the list.

Certainly, it is a good idea to travel long distance in a group to attend the 
convention.
Harish Kotian.

Quoting:

- Original Message -
From: m.chandrashekar
To: sayeverything group
Cc: linkingle...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:55 AM
Subject: about a i convention

hello friends, is there anybody planning to attend a i convention holding in 
trivendrum from bengaluru? please contact me off the list. so that we can plan 
together. if we go by group, it is more useful.
with best regards
m.chandru


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[AI] request for railway time table

[Kotian, H P]

Hello
Copying below a posting which failed to make to the list.
Harish Kotian


Quoting:


- Original Message -
From: m.chandrashekar
To: mahesh
Cc: sayeverything group
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:57 PM
Subject: request for railway time table

hello friends, i am looking for railway time table book, containing all india 
train numbers and details. it is not possible from the railway websight 
because, our screan reader may not support there. anybody scanned that printed 
book? or can i get from any library? please guide me in this regard.
with best regards
m.chandru


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Re: [AI] using a white cane

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Yes, Jean, please.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Balaram
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:46 AM
To: Jean Parker; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] using a white cane

Dear Jean,
please please come up with a word document so all of the white cane
users as well as the one who wish to use it can be benefited.
I don't think, attachment is permitted in this list and if so, please
provide  a link or post it to those who needs it in their Personal Email
IDS.

You can write to me if you please in my personal ID that is,
chess.bala...@gmail.com

Regards,

P. Balaraman.






On 9/27/2011 9:59 AM, Jean Parker wrote:
> Dear All:
>
> In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it is 
> apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal training in 
> use of the white cane.  I am thinking of those who have posted who have 
> become blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness 
> rehabilitation training has not been available.
>
> Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and 
> adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation 
> center.  But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane is 
> used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique.
>
> There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web site 
> called "The Care and Feeding of the White Cane."  It is written for 
> conditions that would be found in developed countries but is very applicable 
> to our conditions in India.  It is on their web site as a series of documents 
> by topic.  I do not think it is downloadable as a whole document.  However, 
> if enough people would find it helpful I am willing to piece it together in 
> word and make it available as a printable document.  I could also make 
> notations about variations in described techniques that would apply to our 
> conditions.
>
> Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for people 
> who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life perhaps it would 
> be helpful.  Even though I have been a cane traveler for many years I always 
> get something out of it every time I read it.  As a printed document it would 
> also be available to reluctant family members and friends who really don't 
> know how blind people manage independent travel.
>
> I would like to know if this document is something people would find of 
> benefit?
>
> Jean
>
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Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Dear Vamshi
Would you please elaborate on your statement written in the context of escort:

"But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the remaining 
wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of the limitation.  
That's the spirit"

Do you intend to communicate that a blind person should go out independently 
taking sighted assistance here and there, but not insist on a fixed escort?
I know it can be done and I have done it, but, my point is it is  a highly 
personal choice whether one wants a fixed escort or occasional help.
Same person may go for both the options at different times, depending on a host 
of factors like situation, place, and one's own disposition at the time and so 
on.
Nobody has a right to look down upon a totally blind person opting for a fixed 
escort.
By totally blind, I mean a person who is not able to do a thing visually.
In your Pune trip, as far as I know, you had some persons who could see quite 
well, and as you yourself said, you are also able to see a bit.
Still, you people had to take sighted assistance quite a number of times.
Can you be always sure you will get it whenever you require?
So, escort for mobility is surely a reasonable choice, provided it satisfies my 
triple test of availability/affordability/privacy propounded  earlier.



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vamshi. G
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:05 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the
remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of
the limitation.  That's the spirit required.  Society doesn't help us
because we are visually impaired.  It helps us because we are trying
hard to succeed despite the visual impairment.


On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain  wrote:
> Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is
> a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object
> but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or
> foolishness might be improper.
>
> For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a
> book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the
> verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different.
>
> A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short,
> in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the
> top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with
> two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the
> labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply
> his measured brushes on the remaining wall.
>
> I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some
> people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide
> while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking
> assistance from the by passers.
>
> Regards
>
> Shadab
>
>
>
>
> On 9/26/11, George Abraham  wrote:
>> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from
>> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the
>> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her that
>> I
>> plan my trips in advance  and take care of every small detail plus there
>> are
>> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn
>> up.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Vamshi. G" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>
>>
>> Back on the subject.  No further comments on English language please.
>>
>> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places.
>> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the
>> help of a white cane.  But most of my doubts have been wiped off
>> during my recent trip to Pune.
>>
>> I had been to Pune to meet my  friends.  We were 5 of us with
>> different vision conditions.  We didn't have a permanent sighted guide
>> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like
>> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc.  We even played in a
>> water resort without asking for anyone's help.  There were some
>> moments with slight risk, but no real dangers.
>>
>>
>> And then came the final situation.  I had my train back at 12 in the
>> night.  Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged,
>> had to take me to the railway station from his home.  We went to a
>> hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the
>> right platform, all on our own, but not alone.  Then I met a stranger
>> with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to
>> him and boarded the train with his help.
>>
>> I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with
>> this wonderful tool in our hand.

Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Absolutely well said, Shadab.

We cannot insist with or without escort.
I am still of the opinion that if escort is available, affordable without any 
privacy concerns, one who is totally blind must opt for her or him.



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shadab Husain
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:47 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is
a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object
but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or
foolishness might be improper.

For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a
book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the
verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different.

A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short,
in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the
top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with
two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the
labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply
his measured brushes on the remaining wall.

I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some
people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide
while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking
assistance from the by passers.

Regards

Shadab




On 9/26/11, George Abraham  wrote:
> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from
> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the
> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her that I
> plan my trips in advance  and take care of every small detail plus there are
> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn up.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vamshi. G" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>
>
> Back on the subject.  No further comments on English language please.
>
> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places.
> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the
> help of a white cane.  But most of my doubts have been wiped off
> during my recent trip to Pune.
>
> I had been to Pune to meet my  friends.  We were 5 of us with
> different vision conditions.  We didn't have a permanent sighted guide
> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like
> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc.  We even played in a
> water resort without asking for anyone's help.  There were some
> moments with slight risk, but no real dangers.
>
>
> And then came the final situation.  I had my train back at 12 in the
> night.  Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged,
> had to take me to the railway station from his home.  We went to a
> hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the
> right platform, all on our own, but not alone.  Then I met a stranger
> with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to
> him and boarded the train with his help.
>
> I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with
> this wonderful tool in our hand.  We asked a person to help us cross
> the road to reach the station, he accompanied us all the way to the
> station.  We asked the way to the desired platform, again we had
> someone taking us right to the over bridge.  And as I said earlier, a
> total stranger helped me board the train and even gave his lower berth
> in exchange of my upper one.
>
> It was a real confidence booster for me.  And it was only after this
> trip that I understood independent mobility doesn't mean moving alone,
> it means moving without a fixed sighted guide from beginning to the
> end.  Now I am really motivated to use the white cane.  But I believe
> in professional training.  So, once I undergo some training in
> mobility, I will move on my own.
>
>
>
> On 9/26/11, jignesh thakur  wrote:
>> sir,
>> I hope your understanding might good as your English.
>> Expressions are more important then any language.
>> He properly conveyed what he wanted. Now you should tell us whats your
>> problem?
>> Are you writing for only sake of insulting other?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
>>> Exactly.
>>> English is nothing more than a medium of communication.
>>>
>>> On 26/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker  wrote:
 Away from the subject, but we've discussed this before, AI is not a
 platform for teaching and learning english. The important thing is to
 be able to convey the things, not so much about grammar and spelling.
 Not all on this list can be so proficient in the english language.
 Not intented to be rude or insulting, but thought s

Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort?

[Ajay Minocha]

oh sure sir
you are the only visually impaired person that I know in faridabad
of course I will come to your place
regards

On 9/27/11, yusuf  wrote:
> Hi Ajay
> You can learn in one day
> how to move cane
> if you interested then you can come to me on Sunday.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ajay Minocha" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort?
>
>
>> Hi members
>> I am 75% visually chalanged
>> I have not used cane yet
>> but now thinking to use it because of the motivation that I get from
>> people like you
>> and it's benifits
>> when I walk on road if I ask somebody to help me in crossing the road
>> they think that I am trying to pretend  that's why I have decided to
>> have cane with me
>> because I wear my spectacles instead of gogles
>> so what tips do you like to shair with me regarding the first use of cane?
>> regards
>>
>> On 9/27/11, jayant garg  wrote:
>>> Hello friends
>>> I like to raise one more thing to this topic which I think is missing so
>>> far
>>> from our discussion that mobility is greatly dependent on the conditions
>>> where we live in . I am 100% visually challenged and I have to travel
>>> around
>>> 40 km daily from barnala where I live to sangrur where I work and from
>>> bus
>>> stand I have to walk aroung 1km to reach my office . I have no formal
>>> training in mobility and to great extent I don't know how to use cane but
>>> the point I trying to make is delhi or Mumbai are 100 times more bigger
>>> cities than barnala or sangrur and in small cities the condition of roads
>>>
>>> is
>>> very ugly thereare many pits in the road and other than this the roads
>>> are
>>> not smooth and the cane stucks sometimes and if u r going in a motion
>>> than u
>>> most probably in front of cane and it is not a desirable situation when I
>>> was in Chandigarh which is a bigger city than barnala or sangrur where
>>> the
>>> traffic is more compared to barnala or sangrur I won't face such kind of
>>> problems as the roads are more smoother and one more thing that I walk
>>> through the main bazazar and the main road  even in these places the
>>> situation is not good when I started to go in the office for the first
>>> month
>>> or so I was not able to locate the location of the pits or holes but now
>>> I
>>> am able to find those by my cane as I have come to know about location of
>>> these holes and pits the cane is very useful even if u don't know how to
>>> use
>>> this as it lets the other people know that u have some kind of problem
>>> aand
>>> they start to travel more carefully when they are near u regarding taking
>>> help from people I never shy away from this when ever I think it
>>> necessary
>>> there are all kind of people in this world some of them are ready to help
>>>
>>> us
>>> and they r enough for me to walk around where ever I want to go . Having
>>> confidence in your's ability is must and never take risk and never shy
>>> away
>>> from taking help of others when ever u r in need if one does not offer u
>>> help and don't hesitate asking other . to have a sighted escort is a
>>> desirable situation but some of us are not able to afford it  and self
>>> independence is also desirable regarding struggling in some places it
>>> happens and you have to accept it and you have to live with it it does
>>> not
>>> matter what any one else is thinking what matters is that I am able to
>>> feed
>>> my family on my own .
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11 AM
>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>> Subject: [AI] tips to manage without escort?
>>>
>>> vamshi:
>>>
>>> This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent
>>> mobility.
>>> It does not mean going everywhere by yourself.
>>>
>>> Jean
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Re: [AI] using a white cane

[Ajay Minocha]

Hi jean Mam
please do the need full thing as soon as posible
I will be quriously waiting for that
regards

On 9/28/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA  wrote:
> how will your mail reach to those blind people, who are living in rural
> area.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jean Parker" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:29 PM
> Subject: [AI] using a white cane
>
>
>> Dear All:
>>
>> In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it
>> is apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal
>> training in use of the white cane.  I am thinking of those who have posted
>>
>> who have become blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness
>>
>> rehabilitation training has not been available.
>>
>> Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and
>> adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation
>> center.  But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane
>> is used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique.
>>
>> There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web
>> site called "The Care and Feeding of the White Cane."  It is written for
>> conditions that would be found in developed countries but is very
>> applicable to our conditions in India.  It is on their web site as a
>> series of documents by topic.  I do not think it is downloadable as a
>> whole document.  However, if enough people would find it helpful I am
>> willing to piece it together in word and make it available as a printable
>> document.  I could also make notations about variations in described
>> techniques that would apply to our conditions.
>>
>> Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for
>> people who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life
>> perhaps it would be helpful.  Even though I have been a cane traveler for
>> many years I always get something out of it every time I read it.  As a
>> printed document it would also be available to reluctant family members
>> and friends who really don't know how blind people manage independent
>> travel.
>>
>> I would like to know if this document is something people would find of
>> benefit?
>>
>> Jean
>>
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Re: [AI] using a white cane

[George Abraham]

Hi Jean,

A great idea. It would really be nice  if you could put that document 
together and share  it with us.  We can serialise the content into small 
audio modules and share the same on the Eyeway radio shows.

Best,

George
- Original Message - 
From: "Jean Parker" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:29 PM
Subject: [AI] using a white cane


Dear All:

In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it is 
apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal training in 
use of the white cane.  I am thinking of those who have posted who have 
become blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness 
rehabilitation training has not been available.

Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and 
adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation 
center.  But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane is 
used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique.

There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web 
site called "The Care and Feeding of the White Cane."  It is written for 
conditions that would be found in developed countries but is very applicable 
to our conditions in India.  It is on their web site as a series of 
documents by topic.  I do not think it is downloadable as a whole document. 
However, if enough people would find it helpful I am willing to piece it 
together in word and make it available as a printable document.  I could 
also make notations about variations in described techniques that would 
apply to our conditions.

Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for 
people who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life perhaps 
it would be helpful.  Even though I have been a cane traveler for many years 
I always get something out of it every time I read it.  As a printed 
document it would also be available to reluctant family members and friends 
who really don't know how blind people manage independent travel.

I would like to know if this document is something people would find of 
benefit?

Jean

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[AI] FW: New cane for vusually impaired.

[bsvs...@gmail.com]

-Original message-
From: bsvs...@gmail.com
Sent:  28/09/2011, 7:44  am
To: accessin...@accessindia.org
Cc: vinayraj@rediffmail.com
Subject: New cane for vusually impaired.


Dear friends i was following your discursion about mobility walking tips etc. 
At the same time i red the article about new cane which guides us very 
well.click the link below and it may be of useful to us. 
http://mobiletoi.timesofindia.com/mobile.aspx?article=yes&pageid=19§id=edid=&edlabel=TOIBG&mydateHid=28-09-2011&pubname=Times+of+India+-+Bangalore&edname=&articleid=Ar01903&publabel=TOI


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Re: [AI] using a white cane

[BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA]

how will your mail reach to those blind people, who are living in rural 
area.


- Original Message - 
From: "Jean Parker" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:29 PM
Subject: [AI] using a white cane



Dear All:

In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it 
is apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal 
training in use of the white cane.  I am thinking of those who have posted 
who have become blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness 
rehabilitation training has not been available.


Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and 
adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation 
center.  But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane 
is used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique.


There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web 
site called "The Care and Feeding of the White Cane."  It is written for 
conditions that would be found in developed countries but is very 
applicable to our conditions in India.  It is on their web site as a 
series of documents by topic.  I do not think it is downloadable as a 
whole document.  However, if enough people would find it helpful I am 
willing to piece it together in word and make it available as a printable 
document.  I could also make notations about variations in described 
techniques that would apply to our conditions.


Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for 
people who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life 
perhaps it would be helpful.  Even though I have been a cane traveler for 
many years I always get something out of it every time I read it.  As a 
printed document it would also be available to reluctant family members 
and friends who really don't know how blind people manage independent 
travel.


I would like to know if this document is something people would find of 
benefit?


Jean

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[AI] My conversation with Professor Hema Murty.

[Balaram]

Dear all,
You would have noticed a few days back an Email from Sinoj regarding the 
TTS launched recently.
You would have also noticed my views regarding the TTS not only in this 
platform but also in accessindia.
The TTS project is headed by Professor Hema Murthy who heads the 
computer department in IIT chennai.
She has given me all the assurance to improve the quality of the 
Malayalam TTS when she spoke to me over the phone yesterday and I plan 
to be in constant touch with her.
What we have to do is to give feedback to professor Hema for the further 
improvement of the software.
What I have noticed during my two month stint with CDAC and the training 
experience which I had is, Most of the trainees don't come up with 
creative criticism or feedback.
When interviewed by CDAC officials, most of the trainees expressed 
satisfaction about the TTS.
Indeed, we are satisfied and grateful  for those who come up with such 
initiatives.
But, this shouldn't give false belief to those who are responsible  to 
the extend that, whatever they do is good and fine.
What I mean is, we have to point out the bugs and shortcomings of the 
products they make without any fear.
At the same time, we must make sure that, we don't go overboard with our 
negative criticisms.
Huge amount of money is involved in these kinds of projects and We must 
make use of the platforms like Keralavision and accessindia and so on to 
express ourselves hence becoming a part of these kinds of initiatives.
I know, things can't be changed overnight and we will have to struggle 
and strive for our goals relentlessly.

If we are not ready to do this, we will only get what others give us.
Let's hope that, projects like the TTS and the OCR will see light and in 
a good way!

Regards,

P. balaraman.




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Re: [AI] using a white cane

[Balaram]

Dear Jean,
please please come up with a word document so all of the white cane 
users as well as the one who wish to use it can be benefited.
I don't think, attachment is permitted in this list and if so, please 
provide  a link or post it to those who needs it in their Personal Email 
IDS.


You can write to me if you please in my personal ID that is,
chess.bala...@gmail.com

Regards,

P. Balaraman.






On 9/27/2011 9:59 AM, Jean Parker wrote:

Dear All:

In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it is 
apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal training in 
use of the white cane.  I am thinking of those who have posted who have become 
blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness rehabilitation 
training has not been available.

Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and 
adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation 
center.  But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane is 
used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique.

There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web site called 
"The Care and Feeding of the White Cane."  It is written for conditions that 
would be found in developed countries but is very applicable to our conditions in India.  
It is on their web site as a series of documents by topic.  I do not think it is 
downloadable as a whole document.  However, if enough people would find it helpful I am 
willing to piece it together in word and make it available as a printable document.  I 
could also make notations about variations in described techniques that would apply to 
our conditions.

Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for people 
who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life perhaps it would 
be helpful.  Even though I have been a cane traveler for many years I always 
get something out of it every time I read it.  As a printed document it would 
also be available to reluctant family members and friends who really don't know 
how blind people manage independent travel.

I would like to know if this document is something people would find of benefit?

Jean

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Re: [AI] Legal Implications While Starting A New Internet Radio Channel

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From: "Dr. Yogesh Sharma" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:51 PM
To: ; ; "Voice 
Vision. " 

Subject: [AI] Legal Implications While Starting A New Internet Radio Channel

Hello friends, inspired by some Pakistani friends, some of my Indian V I 
friends are also planning to start a new internet radio channel of their 
own. They want to run this channel on a purely non comercial basis, and 
hence do not plan to include any advertisements or political news in their 
brodcasts. They simply wish to run it in order to gain first hand 
experience in the field of internet brodcasting. Apparently, the main 
focus of their brodcasts would be Music of various types. But they want to 
know whether there are still any legal implications for this purpose? I 
mean, do they still have to take some prior  permission from the 
government? Please clarify.Regards.Yogesh.


Ps. While I am composing this mail, my JAWS has suddenly st

opped working. So please excuse me for any  spellin or formatting errors. 
Thanks.

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Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

[Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan]

I totally agree. In fact expressions like "personal choice" in such an
important issue clearly show that how far we have to go in terms of
our understanding of certain basic requirements of the visually
challenged in this country related to mobility. If such tendencies
prevail among us, then one doesn't have to wonder about the ignorence
of the general population.

Vetri.

On 27/09/2011, mahendra  wrote:
> Vamshi, you expressed my opinion in best possible way. thanks.
>
> At 05:34 PM 9/27/2011, you wrote:
>>But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the
>>remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of
>>the limitation.  That's the spirit required.  Society doesn't help us
>>because we are visually impaired.  It helps us because we are trying
>>hard to succeed despite the visual impairment.
>>
>>
>>On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain  wrote:
>> > Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is
>> > a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object
>> > but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or
>> > foolishness might be improper.
>> >
>> > For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a
>> > book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the
>> > verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different.
>> >
>> > A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short,
>> > in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the
>> > top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with
>> > two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the
>> > labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply
>> > his measured brushes on the remaining wall.
>> >
>> > I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some
>> > people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide
>> > while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking
>> > assistance from the by passers.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Shadab
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/26/11, George Abraham  wrote:
>> >> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked
>> >> from
>> >> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in
>> >> the
>> >> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her
>> >> that
>> >> I
>> >> plan my trips in advance  and take care of every small detail plus
>> >> there
>> >> are
>> >> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn
>> >> up.
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Vamshi. G" 
>> >> To: 
>> >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Back on the subject.  No further comments on English language please.
>> >>
>> >> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places.
>> >> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the
>> >> help of a white cane.  But most of my doubts have been wiped off
>> >> during my recent trip to Pune.
>> >>
>> >> I had been to Pune to meet my  friends.  We were 5 of us with
>> >> different vision conditions.  We didn't have a permanent sighted guide
>> >> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like
>> >> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc.  We even played in a
>> >> water resort without asking for anyone's help.  There were some
>> >> moments with slight risk, but no real dangers.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> And then came the final situation.  I had my train back at 12 in the
>> >> night.  Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged,
>> >> had to take me to the railway station from his home.  We went to a
>> >> hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the
>> >> right platform, all on our own, but not alone.  Then I met a stranger
>> >> with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to
>> >> him and boarded the train with his help.
>> >>
>> >> I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with
>> >> this wonderful tool in our hand.  We asked a person to help us cross
>> >> the road to reach the station, he accompanied us all the way to the
>> >> station.  We asked the way to the desired platform, again we had
>> >> someone taking us right to the over bridge.  And as I said earlier, a
>> >> total stranger helped me board the train and even gave his lower berth
>> >> in exchange of my upper one.
>> >>
>> >> It was a real confidence booster for me.  And it was only after this
>> >> trip that I understood independent mobility doesn't mean moving alone,
>> >> it means moving without a fixed sighted guide from beginning to the
>> >> end.  Now I am really motivated to use the white cane.  But I believe
>> >> in professional training.  So, once I undergo some training in
>> >> mobility, I will move on my own.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 9/26/11, jignesh thakur  wr

Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort?

[yusuf]

Hi Ajay
You can learn in one day
how to move cane
if you interested then you can come to me on Sunday.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ajay Minocha" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort?



Hi members
I am 75% visually chalanged
I have not used cane yet
but now thinking to use it because of the motivation that I get from
people like you
and it's benifits
when I walk on road if I ask somebody to help me in crossing the road
they think that I am trying to pretend  that's why I have decided to
have cane with me
because I wear my spectacles instead of gogles
so what tips do you like to shair with me regarding the first use of cane?
regards

On 9/27/11, jayant garg  wrote:

Hello friends
I like to raise one more thing to this topic which I think is missing so 
far

from our discussion that mobility is greatly dependent on the conditions
where we live in . I am 100% visually challenged and I have to travel 
around
40 km daily from barnala where I live to sangrur where I work and from 
bus

stand I have to walk aroung 1km to reach my office . I have no formal
training in mobility and to great extent I don't know how to use cane but
the point I trying to make is delhi or Mumbai are 100 times more bigger
cities than barnala or sangrur and in small cities the condition of roads 
is
very ugly thereare many pits in the road and other than this the roads 
are
not smooth and the cane stucks sometimes and if u r going in a motion 
than u

most probably in front of cane and it is not a desirable situation when I
was in Chandigarh which is a bigger city than barnala or sangrur where 
the

traffic is more compared to barnala or sangrur I won't face such kind of
problems as the roads are more smoother and one more thing that I walk
through the main bazazar and the main road  even in these places the
situation is not good when I started to go in the office for the first 
month
or so I was not able to locate the location of the pits or holes but now 
I

am able to find those by my cane as I have come to know about location of
these holes and pits the cane is very useful even if u don't know how to 
use
this as it lets the other people know that u have some kind of problem 
aand

they start to travel more carefully when they are near u regarding taking
help from people I never shy away from this when ever I think it 
necessary
there are all kind of people in this world some of them are ready to help 
us

and they r enough for me to walk around where ever I want to go . Having
confidence in your's ability is must and never take risk and never shy 
away

from taking help of others when ever u r in need if one does not offer u
help and don't hesitate asking other . to have a sighted escort is a
desirable situation but some of us are not able to afford it  and self
independence is also desirable regarding struggling in some places it
happens and you have to accept it and you have to live with it it does 
not
matter what any one else is thinking what matters is that I am able to 
feed

my family on my own .

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] tips to manage without escort?

vamshi:

This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent 
mobility.

It does not mean going everywhere by yourself.

Jean
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Re: [AI] using a white cane

[Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan]

I think that's a great idea and things specific conditions and not
covered by the document can always be discussed later. It's really
unfortunate that formal mobility training in general and usage of cane
in particular has not been known to a considerable percentage of
members on the list. Perhaps it's an indication of general status of
the visually challenged people in India? Organizations in India need
to think about this alarming issue very seriously.

Vetri.

On 27/09/2011, Amrit Pal  wrote:
> Of course, it would be very nice.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jean Parker" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:29 PM
> Subject: [AI] using a white cane
>
>
>> Dear All:
>>
>> In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it
>> is apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal
>> training in use of the white cane.  I am thinking of those who have posted
>>
>> who have become blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness
>>
>> rehabilitation training has not been available.
>>
>> Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and
>> adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation
>> center.  But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane
>> is used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique.
>>
>> There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web
>> site called "The Care and Feeding of the White Cane."  It is written for
>> conditions that would be found in developed countries but is very
>> applicable to our conditions in India.  It is on their web site as a
>> series of documents by topic.  I do not think it is downloadable as a
>> whole document.  However, if enough people would find it helpful I am
>> willing to piece it together in word and make it available as a printable
>> document.  I could also make notations about variations in described
>> techniques that would apply to our conditions.
>>
>> Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for
>> people who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life
>> perhaps it would be helpful.  Even though I have been a cane traveler for
>> many years I always get something out of it every time I read it.  As a
>> printed document it would also be available to reluctant family members
>> and friends who really don't know how blind people manage independent
>> travel.
>>
>> I would like to know if this document is something people would find of
>> benefit?
>>
>> Jean
>>
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Re: [AI] Voice-Mail Activation in Skype

[RAJ VASWANI]

Hello there,

Thanks a lot!

I'm done!
- Original Message - 
From: "VIJAY KUMAR P.V.S." 

To: "B. R. Nautial" ; 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Voice-Mail Activation in Skype



Hi:



1. Go to



www.skype.com



2. Now activate links list view, then press V till you get the link 
Voicemail and pres enter on it to go to this page.




3. now again activate the links list view and press S till you reach Set 
up voice mail and hit enter on it.




4. Now you will be prompted for your skype name and password to sign in.



5. After login with your skype Id, press enter on activate voice mail link 
and you are done.




With warm regards

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"Man needs his difficulties because they are necessary to enjoy success." 
A.P.J. Abdul Kalam



- Original Message - 
From: "B. R. Nautial" 

To: "Access India" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:42 AM
Subject: [AI] Voice-Mail Activation in Skype



Hello Friends
Have a nice day to all of you
Kindly let me know the procedure of activating of Voice-mail feature in 
Skype.


With Regards
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[AI] Using White Cane

[Shyam M. Sayanekar]

Indeed a very fruitful discussion is going on regarding the different aspects 
of mobility. The problems faced by the blind in developed countries are quite 
different from those faced in India. The science of using white cane may be 
saying any thing, but every blind user has his own technique of using it, and 
what suits one person may not suit another person. further, even the chois of 
the type of cane also varies from person to person. However, the document, 
which Jean Parker is thinking of is certainly welcome. It will make several 
notions clear.  
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[AI] Legal Implications While Starting A New Internet Radio Channel

[Dr. Yogesh Sharma]

Hello friends, inspired by some Pakistani friends, some of my Indian V I 
friends are also planning to start a new internet radio channel of their own. 
They want to run this channel on a purely non comercial basis, and hence do not 
plan to include any advertisements or political news in their brodcasts. They 
simply wish to run it in order to gain first hand experience in the field of 
internet brodcasting. Apparently, the main focus of their brodcasts would be 
Music of various types. But they want to know whether there are still any legal 
implications for this purpose? I mean, do they still have to take some prior  
permission from the government? Please clarify.Regards.Yogesh.

Ps. While I am composing this mail, my JAWS has suddenly st

opped working. So please excuse me for any  spellin or formatting errors. 
Thanks.
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Re: [AI] using a white cane

[Amrit Pal]

Of course, it would be very nice.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jean Parker" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:29 PM
Subject: [AI] using a white cane



Dear All:

In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it 
is apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal 
training in use of the white cane.  I am thinking of those who have posted 
who have become blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness 
rehabilitation training has not been available.


Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and 
adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation 
center.  But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane 
is used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique.


There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web 
site called "The Care and Feeding of the White Cane."  It is written for 
conditions that would be found in developed countries but is very 
applicable to our conditions in India.  It is on their web site as a 
series of documents by topic.  I do not think it is downloadable as a 
whole document.  However, if enough people would find it helpful I am 
willing to piece it together in word and make it available as a printable 
document.  I could also make notations about variations in described 
techniques that would apply to our conditions.


Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for 
people who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life 
perhaps it would be helpful.  Even though I have been a cane traveler for 
many years I always get something out of it every time I read it.  As a 
printed document it would also be available to reluctant family members 
and friends who really don't know how blind people manage independent 
travel.


I would like to know if this document is something people would find of 
benefit?


Jean

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Re: [AI] using a white cane

[Shreedhar TS.]

Hi Mr. Jean, I am following this thread from the beginning, One of the
best discussion I have seen here. Your comments can change the
thinking of a VI childs/adults' parents. The document which you are
planning to put will be of much help. Please go ahead with it. It will
be helpful for many.

Thanks with expectation,

On 9/27/11, payal  wrote:
> Hi Jean,
>
> I've been following your mails on this topic very intently, but have not
> commented so far as most of my sentiments have  more or less been expressed
> by others. These have been clear, comprehensive and yes, very helpful. Being
> an adult having faced vision loss, mobility has been the biggest and most
> frustrating adjustment to make. Added to which I grapple with a partial
> hearing loss which makes many techniques to be used on the noisy, busy
> streets quite a challenge. Balance, audibility, following instructions and
> asking for public help is quite a daunting task.
>
> I think anything you could put up here would definitely help, not just us,
> but as you said, the families that are helping a young child with blindness,
> or an adult, the right step will be taken in the right way.
>
> Any tips for a person with more than one disability like me? I have, though,
> had some training a couple of years ago, but haven't really utilized my
> aquired skills to its fullest.
>
> Thanks again for the information.
>
> Payal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:29 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: [AI] using a white cane
>
> Dear All:
>
> In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it is
> apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal training in
> use of the white cane.  I am thinking of those who have posted who have
> become blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness
> rehabilitation training has not been available.
>
> Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and
> adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation
> center.  But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane is
> used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique.
>
> There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web
> site called "The Care and Feeding of the White Cane."  It is written for
> conditions that would be found in developed countries but is very applicable
> to our conditions in India.  It is on their web site as a series of
> documents by topic.  I do not think it is downloadable as a whole document.
> However, if enough people would find it helpful I am willing to piece it
> together in word and make it available as a printable document.  I could
> also make notations about variations in described techniques that would
> apply to our conditions.
>
> Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for
> people who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life perhaps
> it would be helpful.  Even though I have been a cane traveler for many years
> I always get something out of it every time I read it.  As a printed
> document it would also be available to reluctant family members and friends
> who really don't know how blind people manage independent travel.
>
> I would like to know if this document is something people would find of
> benefit?
>
> Jean
>
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Re: [AI] using a white cane

[payal]

Hi Jean,

I've been following your mails on this topic very intently, but have not
commented so far as most of my sentiments have  more or less been expressed
by others. These have been clear, comprehensive and yes, very helpful. Being
an adult having faced vision loss, mobility has been the biggest and most
frustrating adjustment to make. Added to which I grapple with a partial
hearing loss which makes many techniques to be used on the noisy, busy
streets quite a challenge. Balance, audibility, following instructions and
asking for public help is quite a daunting task.

I think anything you could put up here would definitely help, not just us,
but as you said, the families that are helping a young child with blindness,
or an adult, the right step will be taken in the right way.

Any tips for a person with more than one disability like me? I have, though,
had some training a couple of years ago, but haven't really utilized my
aquired skills to its fullest.

Thanks again for the information.

Payal

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:29 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] using a white cane

Dear All:

In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it is
apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal training in
use of the white cane.  I am thinking of those who have posted who have
become blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness
rehabilitation training has not been available.  

Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and
adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation
center.  But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane is
used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique.  

There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web
site called "The Care and Feeding of the White Cane."  It is written for
conditions that would be found in developed countries but is very applicable
to our conditions in India.  It is on their web site as a series of
documents by topic.  I do not think it is downloadable as a whole document.
However, if enough people would find it helpful I am willing to piece it
together in word and make it available as a printable document.  I could
also make notations about variations in described techniques that would
apply to our conditions.  

Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for
people who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life perhaps
it would be helpful.  Even though I have been a cane traveler for many years
I always get something out of it every time I read it.  As a printed
document it would also be available to reluctant family members and friends
who really don't know how blind people manage independent travel.

I would like to know if this document is something people would find of
benefit?

Jean
  
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Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

[mahendra]

Vamshi, you expressed my opinion in best possible way. thanks.

At 05:34 PM 9/27/2011, you wrote:

But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the
remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of
the limitation.  That's the spirit required.  Society doesn't help us
because we are visually impaired.  It helps us because we are trying
hard to succeed despite the visual impairment.


On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain  wrote:
> Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is
> a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object
> but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or
> foolishness might be improper.
>
> For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a
> book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the
> verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different.
>
> A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short,
> in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the
> top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with
> two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the
> labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply
> his measured brushes on the remaining wall.
>
> I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some
> people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide
> while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking
> assistance from the by passers.
>
> Regards
>
> Shadab
>
>
>
>
> On 9/26/11, George Abraham  wrote:
>> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from
>> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the
>> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her that
>> I
>> plan my trips in advance  and take care of every small detail plus there
>> are
>> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn
>> up.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Vamshi. G" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>
>>
>> Back on the subject.  No further comments on English language please.
>>
>> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places.
>> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the
>> help of a white cane.  But most of my doubts have been wiped off
>> during my recent trip to Pune.
>>
>> I had been to Pune to meet my  friends.  We were 5 of us with
>> different vision conditions.  We didn't have a permanent sighted guide
>> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like
>> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc.  We even played in a
>> water resort without asking for anyone's help.  There were some
>> moments with slight risk, but no real dangers.
>>
>>
>> And then came the final situation.  I had my train back at 12 in the
>> night.  Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged,
>> had to take me to the railway station from his home.  We went to a
>> hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the
>> right platform, all on our own, but not alone.  Then I met a stranger
>> with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to
>> him and boarded the train with his help.
>>
>> I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with
>> this wonderful tool in our hand.  We asked a person to help us cross
>> the road to reach the station, he accompanied us all the way to the
>> station.  We asked the way to the desired platform, again we had
>> someone taking us right to the over bridge.  And as I said earlier, a
>> total stranger helped me board the train and even gave his lower berth
>> in exchange of my upper one.
>>
>> It was a real confidence booster for me.  And it was only after this
>> trip that I understood independent mobility doesn't mean moving alone,
>> it means moving without a fixed sighted guide from beginning to the
>> end.  Now I am really motivated to use the white cane.  But I believe
>> in professional training.  So, once I undergo some training in
>> mobility, I will move on my own.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/26/11, jignesh thakur  wrote:
>>> sir,
>>> I hope your understanding might good as your English.
>>> Expressions are more important then any language.
>>> He properly conveyed what he wanted. Now you should tell us whats your
>>> problem?
>>> Are you writing for only sake of insulting other?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
 Exactly.
 English is nothing more than a medium of communication.

 On 26/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker  wrote:
> Away from the subject, but we've discussed this before, AI is not a
> platform for teaching and learning english. The important thing is to
> be able to convey the things, not so much about grammar and spelling.
> Not all on this list can be so pro

Re: [AI] Regarding audio recordings of Retina India Convention

[Swati Sinha]

If the audio recording is available, even I am interested in having that.
Please send me the link too.

- Original Message - 
From: "Vamshi. G" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Regarding audio recordings of Retina India Convention



Hi Rishi,

I will enquire and let you know.

On 9/27/11, Rishi Kewalramani  wrote:

Dear Access India friends,

I was among the first ones to register for the Retina India Convention 
and

was really looking forward to it.
But unfortunately I developed a high viral fever as I arrived at Delhi on
the 23rd of September. And after visiting the doctor, I was advised to
return back to Bangalore immediately for my treatment and medication. So 
I
flew back on the 23rd itself and hence, sadly enough, couldn't make it 
for

the Retina India Convention.
I'm feeling a little better now and was just wonderingif I could 
avail
of the audio recordings of the convention, if it was recorded, to hear 
all

the important talks by those eminent speakers.
If someone has recorded  those talks, can they be shared by uploading 
them

on sendspace?
Sincerely,
Rishi
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[AI] using a white cane

[Jean Parker]

Dear All:

In reading the many postings about mobility, sighted guides and canes, it is 
apparent that many people on this list have never had any formal training in 
use of the white cane.  I am thinking of those who have posted who have become 
blind in adulthood or are from rural areas where blindness rehabilitation 
training has not been available.  

Of course there is no substitute for a structured program in rehab and 
adjustment to blindness as would be received from a formal rehabilitation 
center.  But there are documents that clearly articulate how a white cane is 
used and give detailed steps for learning, or improving cane technique.  

There is one such document on the National Federation of the Blind's web site 
called "The Care and Feeding of the White Cane."  It is written for conditions 
that would be found in developed countries but is very applicable to our 
conditions in India.  It is on their web site as a series of documents by 
topic.  I do not think it is downloadable as a whole document.  However, if 
enough people would find it helpful I am willing to piece it together in word 
and make it available as a printable document.  I could also make notations 
about variations in described techniques that would apply to our conditions.  

Again, this would not substitute for formal mobility training, but for people 
who have lost their vision and just need to get on with life perhaps it would 
be helpful.  Even though I have been a cane traveler for many years I always 
get something out of it every time I read it.  As a printed document it would 
also be available to reluctant family members and friends who really don't know 
how blind people manage independent travel.

I would like to know if this document is something people would find of benefit?

Jean
  
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Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

[Vamshi. G]

But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the
remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of
the limitation.  That's the spirit required.  Society doesn't help us
because we are visually impaired.  It helps us because we are trying
hard to succeed despite the visual impairment.


On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain  wrote:
> Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is
> a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object
> but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or
> foolishness might be improper.
>
> For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a
> book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the
> verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different.
>
> A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short,
> in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the
> top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with
> two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the
> labour’s earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply
> his measured brushes on the remaining wall.
>
> I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some
> people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide
> while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking
> assistance from the by passers.
>
> Regards
>
> Shadab
>
>
>
>
> On 9/26/11, George Abraham  wrote:
>> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from
>> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the
>> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her that
>> I
>> plan my trips in advance  and take care of every small detail plus there
>> are
>> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn
>> up.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Vamshi. G" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>>
>>
>> Back on the subject.  No further comments on English language please.
>>
>> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places.
>> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the
>> help of a white cane.  But most of my doubts have been wiped off
>> during my recent trip to Pune.
>>
>> I had been to Pune to meet my  friends.  We were 5 of us with
>> different vision conditions.  We didn't have a permanent sighted guide
>> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like
>> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc.  We even played in a
>> water resort without asking for anyone’s help.  There were some
>> moments with slight risk, but no real dangers.
>>
>>
>> And then came the final situation.  I had my train back at 12 in the
>> night.  Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged,
>> had to take me to the railway station from his home.  We went to a
>> hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the
>> right platform, all on our own, but not alone.  Then I met a stranger
>> with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to
>> him and boarded the train with his help.
>>
>> I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with
>> this wonderful tool in our hand.  We asked a person to help us cross
>> the road to reach the station, he accompanied us all the way to the
>> station.  We asked the way to the desired platform, again we had
>> someone taking us right to the over bridge.  And as I said earlier, a
>> total stranger helped me board the train and even gave his lower berth
>> in exchange of my upper one.
>>
>> It was a real confidence booster for me.  And it was only after this
>> trip that I understood independent mobility doesn’t mean moving alone,
>> it means moving without a fixed sighted guide from beginning to the
>> end.  Now I am really motivated to use the white cane.  But I believe
>> in professional training.  So, once I undergo some training in
>> mobility, I will move on my own.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/26/11, jignesh thakur  wrote:
>>> sir,
>>> I hope your understanding might good as your English.
>>> Expressions are more important then any language.
>>> He properly conveyed what he wanted. Now you should tell us whats your
>>> problem?
>>> Are you writing for only sake of insulting other?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
 Exactly.
 English is nothing more than a medium of communication.

 On 26/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker  wrote:
> Away from the subject, but we've discussed this before, AI is not a
> platform for teaching and learning english. The important thing is to
> be able to convey the things, not so much about grammar and spelling.
> Not all on this list can be so proficient in the english language.
> Not intented to be rude or insulting, but thought someone has

Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?

[Shadab Husain]

Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is
a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object
but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or
foolishness might be improper.

For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a
book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the
verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different.

A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short,
in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the
top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with
two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the
labour’s earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply
his measured brushes on the remaining wall.

I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some
people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide
while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking
assistance from the by passers.

Regards

Shadab




On 9/26/11, George Abraham  wrote:
> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked from
> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in the
> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her that I
> plan my trips in advance  and take care of every small detail plus there are
> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn up.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vamshi. G" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort?
>
>
> Back on the subject.  No further comments on English language please.
>
> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places.
> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the
> help of a white cane.  But most of my doubts have been wiped off
> during my recent trip to Pune.
>
> I had been to Pune to meet my  friends.  We were 5 of us with
> different vision conditions.  We didn't have a permanent sighted guide
> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like
> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc.  We even played in a
> water resort without asking for anyone’s help.  There were some
> moments with slight risk, but no real dangers.
>
>
> And then came the final situation.  I had my train back at 12 in the
> night.  Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged,
> had to take me to the railway station from his home.  We went to a
> hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the
> right platform, all on our own, but not alone.  Then I met a stranger
> with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to
> him and boarded the train with his help.
>
> I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with
> this wonderful tool in our hand.  We asked a person to help us cross
> the road to reach the station, he accompanied us all the way to the
> station.  We asked the way to the desired platform, again we had
> someone taking us right to the over bridge.  And as I said earlier, a
> total stranger helped me board the train and even gave his lower berth
> in exchange of my upper one.
>
> It was a real confidence booster for me.  And it was only after this
> trip that I understood independent mobility doesn’t mean moving alone,
> it means moving without a fixed sighted guide from beginning to the
> end.  Now I am really motivated to use the white cane.  But I believe
> in professional training.  So, once I undergo some training in
> mobility, I will move on my own.
>
>
>
> On 9/26/11, jignesh thakur  wrote:
>> sir,
>> I hope your understanding might good as your English.
>> Expressions are more important then any language.
>> He properly conveyed what he wanted. Now you should tell us whats your
>> problem?
>> Are you writing for only sake of insulting other?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
>>> Exactly.
>>> English is nothing more than a medium of communication.
>>>
>>> On 26/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker  wrote:
 Away from the subject, but we've discussed this before, AI is not a
 platform for teaching and learning english. The important thing is to
 be able to convey the things, not so much about grammar and spelling.
 Not all on this list can be so proficient in the english language.
 Not intented to be rude or insulting, but thought someone has to state
 it.
 best,

 On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
> Forgive me if I'm being rude, but are you an English teacher?
>
> On 26/09/2011, Phen Varghese  wrote:
>> Dear, raj debbarman.
>>
>> When you type please check what you are typing.
>> There are a lot of mistakes.
>> Try to use MS word and spell check and copy it to your compose mail.
>>
>> With regards,
>>
>> Phen Varghese
>>
>> On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma  

Re: [AI] Regarding audio recordings of Retina India Convention

[Vamshi. G]

Hi Rishi,

I will enquire and let you know.

On 9/27/11, Rishi Kewalramani  wrote:
> Dear Access India friends,
>
> I was among the first ones to register for the Retina India Convention and
> was really looking forward to it.
> But unfortunately I developed a high viral fever as I arrived at Delhi on
> the 23rd of September. And after visiting the doctor, I was advised to
> return back to Bangalore immediately for my treatment and medication. So I
> flew back on the 23rd itself and hence, sadly enough, couldn't make it for
> the Retina India Convention.
> I'm feeling a little better now and was just wonderingif I could avail
> of the audio recordings of the convention, if it was recorded, to hear all
> the important talks by those eminent speakers.
> If someone has recorded  those talks, can they be shared by uploading them
> on sendspace?
> Sincerely,
> Rishi
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> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm
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Re: [AI] Things To Be Taken Care Of While Trying An Online Recharge

[Rohiet A. Patil]

Thanks for such a nice info.
- Original Message - 
From: "Vishnu Ramchandani" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:25 AM
Subject: [AI] Things To Be Taken Care Of While Trying An Online Recharge



Things To Be Taken Care Of While Trying An Online Recharge
By Srikapardhi

Online Recharge - The Service that makes many people to have a curve on
their face while on the other side this word itself irritates some
people leaving bad experiences.

Today we just wanted to share some tips for our beloved readers who are
willing to try an online recharge as well as for those who are facing
problems while making payment through Online Gateway, credit or Debit
cards as we have received many Comments and Problems in our previous
reviews on Online Recharge Portals.

First of all Why an Online Recharge?

1.The first and the foremost thing is convenience-Anytime Any Where.

2.The next is Time saving, we can sit and do it just at our place-Home
or office, some services even support recharge through a Mobile
Application and Payment.

3.Some Operators may provide special Talk Time and Offers if an Online
Recharge is done through their site.

Which Operators are providing an online Recharge Service?

Starting from Government owned Network BSNL almost all Operators are
providing online Recharge facilities except Uninor. But we are sure that
very soon Uninor also comes up with an Online Recharge Portal. But each
operator differs in their service and style of providing the service.
These Online Recharge service provided by the respective operators are a
free service while some Online Recharge portals charge a minimal fees
for the service. This depends on your selection.

Things you should be taken care of before trying an Online Recharge.

1.Never ever try Online Recharges for the first time with High Recharge
Values, if anything goes wrong you will be messed up again so have a
trail recharge with lesser amounts available.

2.Even though all the Browsers support secure payment Gateway always use
Internet Explorer (mostly preferred) and the next preferred is Mozilla
Firefox followed by Opera because there needed some redirection and
scripts that need action between web pages from payment gateway to
recharge portal redirection which the latest or beta browsers have no
enhanced support inbuilt.

3.Always use an Antivirus/Spyware program and ensure that your system is
Virus/spyware free before you make any online payment, also make sure
that there are no active Key loggers in your system because they may
track the username and passwords which you keystroke into the portal.

4) Never dare to try any online Recharge on Public or Share computers
unless you take the whole responsibility and aware of the circumstances.

5) Never Press F5 or Refresh your page while you are in the middle of a
transaction, this makes your entire transaction which is a pipelined
process to go wrong or fail.

6) Be sure to check if the connection is secure or not by observing the
address link (usually a lock symbol) else you may be landed on a
phishing page.

7) Ensure that you have a good Working Internet Connectivity at the time
of recharge, sometimes you can feel your ISP is be down with slow page
loading experiences, avoid recharges during those times.

8 ) Always note down the transaction details, so that they come in handy
in case of failed transactions.

9) And the last thing is proceed only if everything is under your
control.

Just some more points:

No Online recharge Service provider or portal will cheat their "Valuable
Customers" with failed recharge transactions wantedly because there is
no individual who is sitting at the system and processing your Recharge
Payment Requests 24X7 and decide to make your Recharges successful or
fail.

It's all a Computer operated process that does automatically from the
website side, but there will be human people who give support for your
failed transactions. So, leave the belief that it is the website
cheating customers. We have used many Online Recharge Portals and now
once again our experience confirms that No System is neither 100%
Perfect nor bad. It depends on the steps and measures you follow. Also
everything should be good from the payment side too for you recharge to
be successful.

If there is any failed transaction (Power failure or any other problem
with payment) there will an alternate backup channel both from the bank
side as well as from the Website's side so that they get information
regarding the failed transactions separately.

This process usually takes about 3-7 days as the backup channel data is
not always available with the Recharge Portal. They take this data in
failed groups and this takes time. Also for the Refund of your money
even though the Recharge portal reverts the amount within 3-4 days it
takes time for your bank to give a statement for the refund as all the
refunds will have another channel working for them.

And we are sorry to say that under some worst situations 

Re: [AI] Things To Be Taken Care Of While Trying An Online Recharge

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On 9/26/11, Surya Prakash Sharma  wrote:
> very informative indeed. one thing i would like to know how to ensure
> whether our computer is free from key loggers.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Vishnu Ramchandani" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:25 AM
> Subject: [AI] Things To Be Taken Care Of While Trying An Online Recharge
>
>
>> Things To Be Taken Care Of While Trying An Online Recharge
>> By Srikapardhi
>>
>> Online Recharge - The Service that makes many people to have a curve on
>> their face while on the other side this word itself irri

Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort?

[harish]

Hello
You can consider using the folding cane. It may help get over the initial 
inhibition using a cane.


Harish
- Original Message - 
From: "Vamshi. G" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort?



Hi Ajay,

I am in the same situation as you are in.  Some vision and wearing 
glasses.

One of my friends told me to start using a white cane when we have
some vision as it becomes that easy to get used to it.  The biggest
challenge is to get rid of the initial inhibitions.  Once you can do
it, it will be good.





On 9/27/11, Ajay Minocha  wrote:

Hi members
I am 75% visually chalanged
I have not used cane yet
but now thinking to use it because of the motivation that I get from
people like you
and it's benifits
when I walk on road if I ask somebody to help me in crossing the road
they think that I am trying to pretend  that's why I have decided to
have cane with me
because I wear my spectacles instead of gogles
so what tips do you like to shair with me regarding the first use of 
cane?

regards

On 9/27/11, jayant garg  wrote:

Hello friends
I like to raise one more thing to this topic which I think is missing so
far
from our discussion that mobility is greatly dependent on the conditions
where we live in . I am 100% visually challenged and I have to travel
around
40 km daily from barnala where I live to sangrur where I work and from 
bus

stand I have to walk aroung 1km to reach my office . I have no formal
training in mobility and to great extent I don't know how to use cane 
but

the point I trying to make is delhi or Mumbai are 100 times more bigger
cities than barnala or sangrur and in small cities the condition of 
roads

is
very ugly thereare many pits in the road and other than this the roads 
are
not smooth and the cane stucks sometimes and if u r going in a motion 
than

u
most probably in front of cane and it is not a desirable situation when 
I
was in Chandigarh which is a bigger city than barnala or sangrur where 
the

traffic is more compared to barnala or sangrur I won't face such kind of
problems as the roads are more smoother and one more thing that I walk
through the main bazazar and the main road  even in these places the
situation is not good when I started to go in the office for the first
month
or so I was not able to locate the location of the pits or holes but now 
I
am able to find those by my cane as I have come to know about location 
of

these holes and pits the cane is very useful even if u don't know how to
use
this as it lets the other people know that u have some kind of problem
aand
they start to travel more carefully when they are near u regarding 
taking
help from people I never shy away from this when ever I think it 
necessary
there are all kind of people in this world some of them are ready to 
help

us
and they r enough for me to walk around where ever I want to go . Having
confidence in your's ability is must and never take risk and never shy
away
from taking help of others when ever u r in need if one does not offer u
help and don't hesitate asking other . to have a sighted escort is a
desirable situation but some of us are not able to afford it  and self
independence is also desirable regarding struggling in some places it
happens and you have to accept it and you have to live with it it does 
not

matter what any one else is thinking what matters is that I am able to
feed
my family on my own .

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] tips to manage without escort?

vamshi:

This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent
mobility.
It does not mean going everywhere by yourself.

Jean
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Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

[Amar Jain]

I tried all 3, the enter, space bar, and left click.
None of them works. Using Jaws 13 second public beta. At that time, IRCTC 
site was not at all opening.
-Original Message- 
From: Viraj Kafle

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:09 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

The calendar table does open, but somewhere at the bottom of the page.
Press space bar on the read only field which should turn the forms
mode on, and again if it does not turn off automaticaly. Then search
for the letter combinations such as su or mo and you should find the
table.

Bye the way, what exactly are you facing with the IRCTC?

On 9/27/11, Amar Jain  wrote:

Dear All,
Since I had to book a train ticket for my father urgently and the best
website of IRCTC was not opening and Indianrail’s own portal is still not
functioning for online booking, I used Yatra.
Everything went well till I didn’t reach on date picker, which is a read
only edit box, and even after hitting enter you don’t get any other link /
table from where you can select the date. Just like RBI website.
To my understanding there is no way out to deal with it, but I would like 
to

be prooved wrong.
Shall be obliged if experts can tell me a way out. As I have to look for
hotels now.
I wish we could have some accessible mobile application to do this task of
booking. But all of them are in Java unfortunately.
Regards
Amar Jain.
Web: www.amarjain.com
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Re: [AI] Rail Reservation

[BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA]

please take note, they will provide occomodation in disabled coach if you 
opt for handicapped quota. in disabled coach, general people and disabled 
people with general ticket will also board in disabled coach.



- Original Message - 
From: "Deepak Kumar Singla" 

To: "Saravanan" ; 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Rail Reservation



hi
for the first two questions:
1. yes, we can avail handicapped quota for the reservation of tickets.
2. yes, the concession is also available for the escort.


Deepak Singla

- Original Message - 
From: "Saravanan" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:05 PM
Subject: [AI] Rail Reservation



Hello Friends,

I am Saravanan from Bangalore.
I am having a doubt regarding Railway Reservation.
1) We are having Blind concession for getting Railway tickets. Is there 
any quoto available for booking reservation.

(Does we also can book railway tickets on handicapped quoto)
2) Is it possible to book tickets for our escorts under our concession & 
quoto ?

3) Is it possible to tahe a child along with un on reserved compartments
with out tabing tickets ? if so, up to how much age we can
take child along with us ?

Pls. clarify my doubts

Thanks in advance
Saravanan.k
+91 9916512402



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Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort?

[Vamshi. G]

Hi Ajay,

I am in the same situation as you are in.  Some vision and wearing glasses.
One of my friends told me to start using a white cane when we have
some vision as it becomes that easy to get used to it.  The biggest
challenge is to get rid of the initial inhibitions.  Once you can do
it, it will be good.





On 9/27/11, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
> Hi members
> I am 75% visually chalanged
> I have not used cane yet
> but now thinking to use it because of the motivation that I get from
> people like you
> and it's benifits
> when I walk on road if I ask somebody to help me in crossing the road
> they think that I am trying to pretend  that's why I have decided to
> have cane with me
> because I wear my spectacles instead of gogles
> so what tips do you like to shair with me regarding the first use of cane?
> regards
>
> On 9/27/11, jayant garg  wrote:
>> Hello friends
>> I like to raise one more thing to this topic which I think is missing so
>> far
>> from our discussion that mobility is greatly dependent on the conditions
>> where we live in . I am 100% visually challenged and I have to travel
>> around
>> 40 km daily from barnala where I live to sangrur where I work and from bus
>> stand I have to walk aroung 1km to reach my office . I have no formal
>> training in mobility and to great extent I don't know how to use cane but
>> the point I trying to make is delhi or Mumbai are 100 times more bigger
>> cities than barnala or sangrur and in small cities the condition of roads
>> is
>> very ugly thereare many pits in the road and other than this the roads are
>> not smooth and the cane stucks sometimes and if u r going in a motion than
>> u
>> most probably in front of cane and it is not a desirable situation when I
>> was in Chandigarh which is a bigger city than barnala or sangrur where the
>> traffic is more compared to barnala or sangrur I won't face such kind of
>> problems as the roads are more smoother and one more thing that I walk
>> through the main bazazar and the main road  even in these places the
>> situation is not good when I started to go in the office for the first
>> month
>> or so I was not able to locate the location of the pits or holes but now I
>> am able to find those by my cane as I have come to know about location of
>> these holes and pits the cane is very useful even if u don't know how to
>> use
>> this as it lets the other people know that u have some kind of problem
>> aand
>> they start to travel more carefully when they are near u regarding taking
>> help from people I never shy away from this when ever I think it necessary
>> there are all kind of people in this world some of them are ready to help
>> us
>> and they r enough for me to walk around where ever I want to go . Having
>> confidence in your's ability is must and never take risk and never shy
>> away
>> from taking help of others when ever u r in need if one does not offer u
>> help and don't hesitate asking other . to have a sighted escort is a
>> desirable situation but some of us are not able to afford it  and self
>> independence is also desirable regarding struggling in some places it
>> happens and you have to accept it and you have to live with it it does not
>> matter what any one else is thinking what matters is that I am able to
>> feed
>> my family on my own .
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11 AM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: [AI] tips to manage without escort?
>>
>> vamshi:
>>
>> This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent
>> mobility.
>> It does not mean going everywhere by yourself.
>>
>> Jean
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[AI] Moderator:piracy

[Kotian, H P]

Dear Austin

If a member  makes a posting abetting piracy, strict action is being taken.

You would have observe, these messages are made by different people and in 
different point of time. usually  they are new members.

I am afraid, I don't have power to make laws and more so, members are spread 
across the geographical borders. I am no supra constitutional body .

On part of members, an only request is that, please don't react or comment in 
any way. We shall do what need to be done.

Yours
Harish Kotian
Moderator.
AccessIndia.

Quoting:

From: austin pinto 

To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] piracy
ear listers and moderaters we have enough insidences of cracks and piracy 
discussed on the list its high time now that a strickt law made for the 
breachers of the list guidelines i would like to suggest a law
1 if a person discusses piracy for the first time a mild worning must b given 
and if it is done again by the same person then that person must b permemently 
be removed from the list with no chance to resubscribe hopeing that my 
suggestion will b considered thanks


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Re: [AI] Date picker on Yatra.com?

[Viraj Kafle]

The calendar table does open, but somewhere at the bottom of the page.
Press space bar on the read only field which should turn the forms
mode on, and again if it does not turn off automaticaly. Then search
for the letter combinations such as su or mo and you should find the
table.

Bye the way, what exactly are you facing with the IRCTC?

On 9/27/11, Amar Jain  wrote:
> Dear All,
> Since I had to book a train ticket for my father urgently and the best
> website of IRCTC was not opening and Indianrail’s own portal is still not
> functioning for online booking, I used Yatra.
> Everything went well till I didn’t reach on date picker, which is a read
> only edit box, and even after hitting enter you don’t get any other link /
> table from where you can select the date. Just like RBI website.
> To my understanding there is no way out to deal with it, but I would like to
> be prooved wrong.
> Shall be obliged if experts can tell me a way out. As I have to look for
> hotels now.
> I wish we could have some accessible mobile application to do this task of
> booking. But all of them are in Java unfortunately.
> Regards
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[AI] Yatra.com users: accessibility campaign for Yatra.

[Amar Jain]

All those who are using Yatra.com, are requested to create a new topic on their 
forum as a new idea, and mention that the site should be made accessible for 
people with blindness.
I have already done it, but the more demand we raise, the more understanding 
will come from their side.
Shall you need any assistance, do let me know off the list using the contact 
information below.
Amar Jain.
Mobile: +91-9892622230.
E-mail: amarjain2...@gmail.com
Look forward for active participation.
No traffic on the list on this please.
Thanks
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[AI] Detail keystrokes for reading power point documents.

[dinesh gujar senior manager pnb jaipur]

Dear List Members,

May I have a detailed keystrokes for reading power point documents from 
learned members on my personal email id

dkg@gmail.com
With thanks and regards,
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Re: [AI] tips to manage without escort?

[Ajay Minocha]

Hi members
I am 75% visually chalanged
I have not used cane yet
but now thinking to use it because of the motivation that I get from
people like you
and it's benifits
when I walk on road if I ask somebody to help me in crossing the road
they think that I am trying to pretend  that's why I have decided to
have cane with me
because I wear my spectacles instead of gogles
so what tips do you like to shair with me regarding the first use of cane?
regards

On 9/27/11, jayant garg  wrote:
> Hello friends
> I like to raise one more thing to this topic which I think is missing so far
> from our discussion that mobility is greatly dependent on the conditions
> where we live in . I am 100% visually challenged and I have to travel around
> 40 km daily from barnala where I live to sangrur where I work and from bus
> stand I have to walk aroung 1km to reach my office . I have no formal
> training in mobility and to great extent I don't know how to use cane but
> the point I trying to make is delhi or Mumbai are 100 times more bigger
> cities than barnala or sangrur and in small cities the condition of roads is
> very ugly thereare many pits in the road and other than this the roads are
> not smooth and the cane stucks sometimes and if u r going in a motion than u
> most probably in front of cane and it is not a desirable situation when I
> was in Chandigarh which is a bigger city than barnala or sangrur where the
> traffic is more compared to barnala or sangrur I won't face such kind of
> problems as the roads are more smoother and one more thing that I walk
> through the main bazazar and the main road  even in these places the
> situation is not good when I started to go in the office for the first month
> or so I was not able to locate the location of the pits or holes but now I
> am able to find those by my cane as I have come to know about location of
> these holes and pits the cane is very useful even if u don't know how to use
> this as it lets the other people know that u have some kind of problem aand
> they start to travel more carefully when they are near u regarding taking
> help from people I never shy away from this when ever I think it necessary
> there are all kind of people in this world some of them are ready to help us
> and they r enough for me to walk around where ever I want to go . Having
> confidence in your's ability is must and never take risk and never shy away
> from taking help of others when ever u r in need if one does not offer u
> help and don't hesitate asking other . to have a sighted escort is a
> desirable situation but some of us are not able to afford it  and self
> independence is also desirable regarding struggling in some places it
> happens and you have to accept it and you have to live with it it does not
> matter what any one else is thinking what matters is that I am able to feed
> my family on my own .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:11 AM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: [AI] tips to manage without escort?
>
> vamshi:
>
> This is a great story and is exactly what is meant by independent mobility.
> It does not mean going everywhere by yourself.
>
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Re: [AI] piracy

[austin pinto]

dear listers and moderaters we have enough insidences of cracks and
piracy discussed on the list its high time now that a strickt law made
for the breachers of the list guidelines i would like to suggest a law
1 if a person discusses piracy for the first time a mild worning must
b given and if it is done again by the same person then that person
must b permemently be removed from the list with no chance to
resubscribe
hopeing that my suggestion will b considered thanks

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Re: [AI] Facilities & Offers

[Srinivasu Chakravarthula]

Dear Saravanan:
Ithink, you have recently joined the list and ifso, a warm welcome.

Various issues are discussed in this forum and you can also see the archives
of this mailing list at
http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/

There would be several opportunities across the country / world and on
different topics. It would be good, if you specify the kind of information
you are lookingfor.

Thanks,
-Srinivasu

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Saravanan  wrote:

> Hai Friends,
>
> I am Saravanan from Bangalore.
> We are residing in different areas.
> We don't know the things happen in
> other areas until it is announced by
> others. So, I request you all to
> inform the facilities, oppurtunities &
> offers that you know in access india mail
> as soon as possible (Expecially regarding & for VI). This information will
> help the persons who are
> in need of them.
>
> Regards
> Saravanan.K
> +91 9916512402
>
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[AI] Moderator: jaws 12 with crack

[Kotian, H P]

All

Yet another head rolling. It is amptly clear, that any piracy abetting messages 
are pulled up severely. Then why folks don't adhere to it and run themselves to 
trouble.
This thread is closed for all traffic.

Harish Kotian
Moderator.


From: "pankaj Kakkar" 
Subject: [AI] jaws 12 with crack



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[AI] Facilities & Offers

[Saravanan]

Hai Friends,

I am Saravanan from Bangalore.
We are residing in different areas.
We don't know the things happen in
other areas until it is announced by
others. So, I request you all to
inform the facilities, oppurtunities &
offers that you know in access india mail
as soon as possible (Expecially regarding & for VI). 
This information will help the persons who are

in need of them.

Regards
Saravanan.K
+91 9916512402


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Re: [AI] Rail Reservation

[Asudani, Rajesh]

A child under five if accompanied by an adult, does not need any ticket in 
Indian railways.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Saravanan
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:05 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Rail Reservation

Hello Friends,

I am Saravanan from Bangalore.
I am having a doubt regarding Railway Reservation.
1) We are having Blind concession for getting Railway tickets. Is there any
quoto available for booking reservation.
(Does we also can book railway tickets on handicapped quoto)
2) Is it possible to book tickets for our escorts under our concession &
quoto ?
3) Is it possible to tahe a child along with un on reserved compartments
with out tabing tickets ? if so, up to how much age we can
take child along with us ?

Pls. clarify my doubts

Thanks in advance
Saravanan.k
+91 9916512402



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Re: [AI] jaws 12 with crack

[Phen Varghese]

Dear sir,

Do not speak about piracy softwares in the list.
There is a rule in the list that we should not discus about these
pirated softwares.
So keep in mind or other vise the moderator will take action against you.
You sent to someone who you know.
Piracy is not allowed in this list.

Phen Varghese

On 9/27/11, pankaj Kakkar  wrote:
> hi everyone, i need jaws 12 with crack if anyone hv jaws 12 please send me
> my emailid is pankajkakka...@gmail.com
> Skype id is: pankaj.kakkar5
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Re: [AI] Rail Reservation

[Deepak Kumar Singla]

hi
for the first two questions:
1. yes, we can avail handicapped quota for the reservation of tickets.
2. yes, the concession is also available for the escort.


Deepak Singla

- Original Message - 
From: "Saravanan" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:05 PM
Subject: [AI] Rail Reservation



Hello Friends,

I am Saravanan from Bangalore.
I am having a doubt regarding Railway Reservation.
1) We are having Blind concession for getting Railway tickets. Is there 
any quoto available for booking reservation.

(Does we also can book railway tickets on handicapped quoto)
2) Is it possible to book tickets for our escorts under our concession & 
quoto ?

3) Is it possible to tahe a child along with un on reserved compartments
with out tabing tickets ? if so, up to how much age we can
take child along with us ?

Pls. clarify my doubts

Thanks in advance
Saravanan.k
+91 9916512402



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[AI] jaws 12 with crack

[pankaj Kakkar]

hi everyone, i need jaws 12 with crack if anyone hv jaws 12 please send me my 
emailid is pankajkakka...@gmail.com
Skype id is: pankaj.kakkar5
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[AI] Learning Java

[Saravanan]

Hello Friends,

I am Saravanan from bangalore.
Is it possible for a VI to Learn Complete Java.
If so, Is it possible to learn thru correspondance or e-learning ?
Pls provide me the different possiblities for a VI to learn Java.

Thanks in Advance
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[AI] Rail Reservation

[Saravanan]

Hello Friends,

I am Saravanan from Bangalore.
I am having a doubt regarding Railway Reservation.
1) We are having Blind concession for getting Railway tickets. Is there any 
quoto available for booking reservation.

(Does we also can book railway tickets on handicapped quoto)
2) Is it possible to book tickets for our escorts under our concession & 
quoto ?

3) Is it possible to tahe a child along with un on reserved compartments
with out tabing tickets ? if so, up to how much age we can
take child along with us ?

Pls. clarify my doubts

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Re: [AI] Voice-Mail Activation in Skype

[VIJAY KUMAR P.V.S.]

Hi friends,



How to retrieve the voice mails or to listen to these with latest version of 
Skype? Please help me in this regard.




With warm regards

VIJAY

"Man needs his difficulties because they are necessary to enjoy success." 
A.P.J. Abdul Kalam



- Original Message - 
From: "yogesh dubey" 

To: "accessindia" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:20 AM
Subject: [AI] Voice-Mail Activation in Skype



just visit
http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/features/allfeatures/voicemail/
and click on setup voice mail link. after that login with your skype
id. and click on "Activate my voicemail now" link.
now you are done.
--
regards
yogesh
Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in 
harmony.

skipe yogesh-dubey
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Re: [AI] request new tts's cd from professor of IITM & access OCR on the web.

[Srinivasu Chakravarthula]

Here is the link from where one may download TTS for Indian languages. Seems
the files are being updated from time-to-time. Please visit
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tts-indianlang/files/
Thanks,
-Srinivasu

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Amar Jain  wrote:

> Bit of google will take you to sourceforge page, where all 6 softwares for
> windows are available.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:49 PM
>
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] request new tts's cd from professor of IITM & access OCR
> on the web.
>
> I just received the reply from them and besides postal address, they
> promissed to make them available on the internet. So Let's try to
> utilize this platform and provide meaningful feedback so that the
> developers may be able to work on it further.
>
> Vetri.
>
> On 26/09/2011, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>
>> Please tell me frankly, did 2005 software accomplish anything?
>> Is this software worth the trouble?
>> I don't want to demean any efforts, just asking practical utility of TTS
>> and
>> OCR.
>> OCR, they say would only work by recognizing image at a time and sending
>> the
>> results online and so on.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> accessindia-bounces@**accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-bounces@**accessindia.org.in]
>> On Behalf Of Amar Jain
>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:52 AM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] request new tts's cd from professor of IITM & access OCR
>> on the web.
>>
>> Dear Nirmal Sir,
>> I didn't understand what madam is trying to convey. To my understanding,
>> more users we have, more bugs will be explored. So, we will pave the way
>> for
>> an outstanding product in future. The only down side is that she will be
>> the
>> single person to handle thousands of emails everyday, which is a genuine
>> problem. Last time in 2005 it was much better where they did have online
>> form to request the CD.
>> If more than this is hidden in this sentence, then please do explain me
>> for
>> my own knowledge.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Nirmal Verma
>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 10:48 PM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] request new tts's cd from professor of IITM & access OCR
>> on the web.
>>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> I see no harm in putting it online on some website but as per my
>> conversation professor hema felt that putting it online may bring in some
>> sort of changes in the quality of the product which no one of us would
>> like
>> to see.  so if you want to use it just mail her for a copy. she is open to
>> giving it to more and more persons so that the development team have more
>> data on its usages which will enhance its quality.
>>
>> Nirmal Verma
>> India Lead, Bookshare
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Amar Jain 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  All: You may send an email to Prof. Hema of IITM (forgot the last name)
>>> for
>>> getting the delivery of the TTS with NVDA cd at your doorstep.
>>> h...@cse.iitm.ac.in
>>> Access the OCR services in Hindi and Punjabi on: http://www.tdil-dc.in
>>> As a matter of courtesy, once you get the CD, kindly upload the whole CD
>>> so
>>> we all can also check it. I will be sending a request in first week of
>>> October as I have to shift the flat.
>>> If anyone of you have to say on privacy of email address of this
>>> professor,
>>> then kindly contact Press Information Buro, Mumbai as they are the one
>>> who
>>> published her email ID.
>>> Disclaimer: This information is provided to you just for your own
>>> knowledge, so I undertake no responsibility either for our users, or for
>>> professor if she unfortunately receives an unwanted email which I am sure
>>> none of us would do.
>>> Amar Jain.
>>> Web: www.amarjain.com
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[AI] (no subject)

[Milan Mittal]

-- 
Thanks and regards,
Milan Mittal
Mobile - +919910043004
Email ID - milan.mit...@yahoo.com
Skype - milan.mittal

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[AI] (no subject)

[Milan Mittal]

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