I totally agree. In fact expressions like "personal choice" in such an important issue clearly show that how far we have to go in terms of our understanding of certain basic requirements of the visually challenged in this country related to mobility. If such tendencies prevail among us, then one doesn't have to wonder about the ignorence of the general population.
Vetri. On 27/09/2011, mahendra <gal...@chello.at> wrote: > Vamshi, you expressed my opinion in best possible way. thanks. > > At 05:34 PM 9/27/2011, you wrote: >>But the important thing is to ask for a taller ladder to paint the >>remaining wall, and not to ask someone to paint the wall because of >>the limitation. That's the spirit required. Society doesn't help us >>because we are visually impaired. It helps us because we are trying >>hard to succeed despite the visual impairment. >> >> >>On 9/27/11, Shadab Husain <shadab...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Well, whether depending on a permanent sighted guide or using cane is >> > a matter of personal choice. I can sponsor for the preferred object >> > but I am afraid - roughly calling the other one a sign of cowardice or >> > foolishness might be improper. >> > >> > For taking help, I would like to mention an idea which was used in a >> > book for a totally different context. I am unable to furnish the >> > verbatim, so some tiny details or sentiments can be different. >> > >> > A painter was painstakingly employed to paint a wall. As he was short, >> > in spite of his great efforts he was unable to reach his hand at the >> > top. He earnestly requested the employer to provide him a ladder with >> > two more steps. The employer, looking at the gleaming wall and the >> > labour's earnestness, arranged a ladder for him so that he can apply >> > his measured brushes on the remaining wall. >> > >> > I feel that this is the kind of help we must aspire for. For some >> > people two more steps in a ladder could be taking a permanent guide >> > while for some it is going alone with cane occasionally taking >> > assistance from the by passers. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Shadab >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 9/26/11, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote: >> >> Once I was returning from Shillong to Delhi and had just disembarked >> >> from >> >> the coach at Guvahati airport. When a lady who was a co-passenger in >> >> the >> >> coach asked me as to how I managed alone while travelling. I told her >> >> that >> >> I >> >> plan my trips in advance and take care of every small detail plus >> >> there >> >> are >> >> still nice people like her in the World . When you need them, they turn >> >> up. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Vamshi. G" <gvamsh...@gmail.com> >> >> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:28 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >> >> >> >> >> Back on the subject. No further comments on English language please. >> >> >> >> I have some vision but very poor mobility, especially in new places. >> >> I always wondered how visually challenged people walk alone with the >> >> help of a white cane. But most of my doubts have been wiped off >> >> during my recent trip to Pune. >> >> >> >> I had been to Pune to meet my friends. We were 5 of us with >> >> different vision conditions. We didn't have a permanent sighted guide >> >> but asked for the same as and when required in different places like >> >> hotels, resorts, pubs, shopping centers, etc. We even played in a >> >> water resort without asking for anyone's help. There were some >> >> moments with slight risk, but no real dangers. >> >> >> >> >> >> And then came the final situation. I had my train back at 12 in the >> >> night. Raj, my friend at Pune, who himself is visually challenged, >> >> had to take me to the railway station from his home. We went to a >> >> hotel, had the dinner, then to the railway station, and finally to the >> >> right platform, all on our own, but not alone. Then I met a stranger >> >> with whom my ticket was booked by the agent, explained my problem to >> >> him and boarded the train with his help. >> >> >> >> I was surprised to see the help we were getting once we got out with >> >> this wonderful tool in our hand. We asked a person to help us cross >> >> the road to reach the station, he accompanied us all the way to the >> >> station. We asked the way to the desired platform, again we had >> >> someone taking us right to the over bridge. And as I said earlier, a >> >> total stranger helped me board the train and even gave his lower berth >> >> in exchange of my upper one. >> >> >> >> It was a real confidence booster for me. And it was only after this >> >> trip that I understood independent mobility doesn't mean moving alone, >> >> it means moving without a fixed sighted guide from beginning to the >> >> end. Now I am really motivated to use the white cane. But I believe >> >> in professional training. So, once I undergo some training in >> >> mobility, I will move on my own. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/26/11, jignesh thakur <jigneshthaku...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> sir, >> >>> I hope your understanding might good as your English. >> >>> Expressions are more important then any language. >> >>> He properly conveyed what he wanted. Now you should tell us whats your >> >>> problem? >> >>> Are you writing for only sake of insulting other? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> Exactly. >> >>>> English is nothing more than a medium of communication. >> >>>> >> >>>> On 26/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker <maheshspanic...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> Away from the subject, but we've discussed this before, AI is not a >> >>>>> platform for teaching and learning english. The important thing is >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> be able to convey the things, not so much about grammar and >> >>>>> spelling. >> >>>>> Not all on this list can be so proficient in the english language. >> >>>>> Not intented to be rude or insulting, but thought someone has to >> >>>>> state >> >>>>> it. >> >>>>> best, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 9/26/11, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> Forgive me if I'm being rude, but are you an English teacher? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 26/09/2011, Phen Varghese <phenvargh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> Dear, raj debbarman. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> When you type please check what you are typing. >> >>>>>>> There are a lot of mistakes. >> >>>>>>> Try to use MS word and spell check and copy it to your compose >> >>>>>>> mail. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> With regards, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Phen Varghese >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 9/26/11, Raj Debbarma <rdbbarma...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> i strongly belief that white cane should use by everyone of us. >> >>>>>>>> every time its not possible to walk with your companion. yes it >> >>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>> importent to take help of sighted esistence but it is more >> >>>>>>>> asential >> >>>>>>>> to cary white cane along. >> >>>>>>>> if i tell you about me; i prefer to use white cane when i walk >> >>>>>>>> alone >> >>>>>>>> specially in public places like railwaystation, road, govt >> >>>>>>>> offices >> >>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>> hospitals etc. >> >>>>>>>> ya, when i go for hang out and colledge i'm always with my >> >>>>>>>> friends. >> >>>>>>>> i never be alone in such places like shopping maul, movie hall, >> >>>>>>>> discos, night clubs and restaurants etc. >> >>>>>>>> it doesn't mean that they are not ready to come apart from these >> >>>>>>>> places. but in my personal work i prefer to do alone for my own >> >>>>>>>> setisfection. >> >>>>>>>> my family and my friends are so caring , they never want to live >> >>>>>>>> me >> >>>>>>>> alone at any point of time. sometimes i find so much >> >>>>>>>> difficultys >> >>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>> convince them. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> thank you.. >> >>>>>>>> regards >> >>>>>>>> raj debbarman. >> >>>>>>>> no: >> >>>>>>>> +919545810447 >> >>>>>>>> email: >> >>>>>>>> rdbbarma...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On 9/26/11, Asudani, Rajesh <rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Well said Vetri. >> >>>>>>>>> Walking without cane, unescorted, is surely folly. >> >>>>>>>>> However, using one's residual sight for mobility purposes >> >>>>>>>>> instead >> >>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>> wasting >> >>>>>>>>> it on reading and writing print as some folks do, is also a >> >>>>>>>>> sound >> >>>>>>>>> idea >> >>>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>> have given to a few who have made a good use of it. >> >>>>>>>>> But, for totally blind, apart from white cane, can echolocation >> >>>>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>>>> taught >> >>>>>>>>> and practiced as a supplemental mobility aid, as some folks in >> >>>>>>>>> US >> >>>>>>>>> claim >> >>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>> do? >> >>>>>>>>> Are they exceptions, or it can be cultivated as a technique? >> >>>>>>>>> Would have been interesting to grapple with all these issues >> >>>>>>>>> practically >> >>>>>>>>> at >> >>>>>>>>> AI convention, which I would regretfully miss. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Anyway, I don't push away sometimes even unrequired mobility >> >>>>>>>>> assistance >> >>>>>>>>> by >> >>>>>>>>> sighted, for who knows, lest they be repelled from assisting >> >>>>>>>>> anybody. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> >>>>>>>>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of >> >>>>>>>>> Adhimoolam >> >>>>>>>>> Vetrivel Murugan >> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:56 AM >> >>>>>>>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> But if you are looking for tips without white cane, then I am >> >>>>>>>>> afraid >> >>>>>>>>> that you are out of luck. Especially for someone with little or >> >>>>>>>>> no >> >>>>>>>>> vision, nothing can supstitute mobility aids like cane. If you >> >>>>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>>>> looking for tips with white cane, then that's a reasonable >> >>>>>>>>> expectation >> >>>>>>>>> and fokes here can provide tips to minimise the reliability on >> >>>>>>>>> escorts. I would also like to bring another misconception to the >> >>>>>>>>> forefront. Some fokes even among visually challenged consider >> >>>>>>>>> someone >> >>>>>>>>> walking around without cane being smart. I can say that there's >> >>>>>>>>> nothing smart about it and it's actually stupid and such >> >>>>>>>>> attitudes >> >>>>>>>>> put >> >>>>>>>>> himself or herself in danger. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Vetri. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On 24/09/2011, Renuka Warriar <eren...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, in spite of all the views expressed in this thread, I >> >>>>>>>>>> could >> >>>>>>>>>> not find any tips to manage without escort, except using the >> >>>>>>>>>> white >> >>>>>>>>>> cane, and that too is not well explained. >> >>>>>>>>>> Renuka. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/11, jignesh thakur <jigneshthaku...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> Friends, >> >>>>>>>>>>> First of all, I respect each views, and expect the same from >> >>>>>>>>>>> all. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Somebody rightly said that this topic is more important then >> >>>>>>>>>>> screen >> >>>>>>>>>>> readers. >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is social dignity? If I am given 2 choices of so called >> >>>>>>>>>>> social >> >>>>>>>>>>> dignity, and my independence, I would like to choose the >> >>>>>>>>>>> second >> >>>>>>>>>>> one. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Though I am not good enough as far as mobility is concern yet >> >>>>>>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>>> me >> >>>>>>>>>>> personal satisfaction matters most. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course while you go with white can people will ask >> >>>>>>>>>>> ridicules >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions, but I think it would happened more or less if you >> >>>>>>>>>>> would >> >>>>>>>>>>> go >> >>>>>>>>>>> with sighted escort. And one can reduce risk factor by >> >>>>>>>>>>> developing >> >>>>>>>>>>> good >> >>>>>>>>>>> mobility. >> >>>>>>>>>>> I have seen many visually impaired people who manage very well >> >>>>>>>>>>> without >> >>>>>>>>>>> sighted escort. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Above all, self satisfaction is really important. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Though it's tough to manage without escort but with confidence >> >>>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>>> possible. >> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to say that we should not use escort, its >> >>>>>>>>>>> necessary >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometime to have sighted person with you. But we should >> >>>>>>>>>>> honestly >> >>>>>>>>>>> try >> >>>>>>>>>>> to reduce sighted assistance as much as possible. >> >>>>>>>>>>> let me thanks rajesh sir for this topic on the list. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks... >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/23/11, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, I'm glad to see this thread. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think that this matters more than all other screen readers, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> assistive devices and all such other things. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Even I fail to comprehend how totally blind people are able >> >>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>> move >> >>>>>>>>>>>> on their own. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have always taken the help of sighted guides for moving >> >>>>>>>>>>>> around. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Many people also feel that those who require sighted >> >>>>>>>>>>>> assistance >> >>>>>>>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>>>>>>> more dependent on others than those who use white canes are. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I personally feel that it's better to take the help of a >> >>>>>>>>>>>> sighted >> >>>>>>>>>>>> guide >> >>>>>>>>>>>> instead of fumbling around just to prove that you are not >> >>>>>>>>>>>> dependent >> >>>>>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>>>> others. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, there are people who are truly independent and do >> >>>>>>>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>>>>>>> require much sighted assistance, but, like I said earlier, I >> >>>>>>>>>>>> really >> >>>>>>>>>>>> don't know how they actually manage it. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I feel that people, in general, have a very negative attitude >> >>>>>>>>>>>> towards >> >>>>>>>>>>>> those who use white canes. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying that they hate blind people, but there is a >> >>>>>>>>>>>> drastic >> >>>>>>>>>>>> change in their behavior. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> They start interfering unnecessarily in order to assist you, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> or >> >>>>>>>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>>>>>>> start asking ridiculous questions. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> All this also happens if you move around with a sighted >> >>>>>>>>>>>> guide, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> but >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe that it happens more if you use a white cane. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, this method also has its flaws, but what other >> >>>>>>>>>>>> option >> >>>>>>>>>>>> do >> >>>>>>>>>>>> we >> >>>>>>>>>>>> have? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/09/2011, Mahesh Panicker <maheshspanic...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The over emphasis placed on independent living is the result >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> disability rights movement, in its social model version, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> simply >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> accepting the liberal-modern notion of the individual as >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rational, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> free and independent. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We need to may be think further in lines of human >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> interdependence >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than any utopian notion of independent living, its a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> myth, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> only for the disabled, but also for the non-disabled. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When faced with a disadvantageous and dangerous environment, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> would >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather prefer an escort, than getting injured. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/23/11, Anirban Mukherjee <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> i entirely agree with what Himanshu sir has said. i work in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rural >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> area in pashchimbanga and day in and day out have to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> encounter >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulties like coliding with someone or with some object >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really hurt due particularly to the irresponsibility of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> persons >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> without visual impairment. the rail station where i usually >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> board >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> train from becomes almost inaccessible in the evenings >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> abundance of small shops where things of use are sold. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> times when i nearly fell to the railway tracks. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> moreover many people don't know how to use a pavement. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pavements >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger cities here are dangerous to say the least for even >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> person; for a visually challanged person it is almost a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightmare. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rural roads, there are no pavement or anything. so escort >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> becomes >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessity. but undoubtedly, moving alone is the most >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfying >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrespective of fumbling or no fumbling. but there is no >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> heroism >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> falling down and injuring oneself. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can enough philosophise regarding independence. but >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> under >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> present circumstance it is an illusive thing for us. hope >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> day >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> come when this topic itself will become redundant. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with thanks and regards, Anirban Mukherjee. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cell: 09433305139 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/23/11, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA <bsvermad...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if a word hold is objectionable, the word grip can be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> withit. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Raj Debbarma" <rdbbarma...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:58 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi sir, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i agree with all your point. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i don't find anything wrong to use cane specially in new >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surrounding >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and also belief nothing wrong to ask direction to find >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terms of holding hand, what i think there might be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cultural >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences reguarding this. but if you are caring cane >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatically represent your blindness twards the society >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of time if anyone hold your hand, i don't think anybody >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any sort of problem. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its raj, have a nice day ahead to all of you. cheers >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thank you.. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <vadhimoo...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is an interesting subject and here are my views: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First, It does not matter whether we fumble around to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ways >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. What matters is our ability to reach our >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destination >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without hurting our-self. In relation to that, who cares >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking when we fumble around to find our ways? Ones we >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adopt >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality, then words like social dignity will make very >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Second, I would like to draw the attention to the point >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jean >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made. There is a significant cultural difference in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terms >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holding >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone else's hand. I am sure that visually challenged >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> India will agree with the fact that we don't mind >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holding >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only in terms of sighted assistance, but also among >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually challenged. but among the blind people here in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> US >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a slight difference in terms of holding hands as if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holding >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hands is undesirable or something like that. So one has >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such cultural differences in this regard. My final point >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobility during conference. As Jean pointed out, we >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make use of the cane since it will be a new surrounding, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same time there is nothing wrong in asking for >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passing comment about my attitude towards others >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assistance: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide me by holding my hands or leave me alone. I am >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelegent >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to find my ways around. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vetri. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/09/2011, Anirban Mukherjee >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sparsha.anir...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually, escort becomes necessity at some times as far >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i'm >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned. but, i agree, that we must look for >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> self-reliance. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i would like to draw every body's attention is that the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajesh sir made regarding escort in the other thread is >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valid. it is insulting to say the least. there should >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discretion >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making my own choices for me. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/22/11, mahendra <gal...@chello.at> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Rajesh >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i only agree with your thurd point, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to think that escort is there, and we don't need >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobility >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted people can also put your life in to denjare, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for our life, and not totaly put responsibility on >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulders >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secondly because of dependence on sighted, social >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dignity >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compromised, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not because you have to fumble around, it shows >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At 09:21 AM 9/22/2011, you wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dear Srinivasu >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rightly said that low vision people don't face as much >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mobility as totally blind do. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is not impossible to manage without escort, I have >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>myself, travelling on Nagpur Roads in student days, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>travelling all alone in trains in UP, bringing my >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elder >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sister >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is herself blind with her kids from Lucknow to Nagpur, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My point is, without escort, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. The mobility is fraught with inherent risks, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2. More often than not, social dignity is compromised, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to fumble around. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Your freedom, particularly in new surroundings, is >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> greatly >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>curtailed. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As a result, one should opt for an escort, if one is >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afford, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and escort is available, except in situations where >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>privacy >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>utmost importance. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Srinivasu Chakravarthula >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 1:25 PM >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [AI] Tips to manage without escort? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi All, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Honestly, I got this curiosity with recent thread >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raised >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>by >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rajesh. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know, there area lot of members in the group, who >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> widely >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them traveling all alone. I even see people like Jean, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>help at the venues. I am curious how would people with >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> total >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>manage to be alone at conferences etc.Also, any of you >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>come >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tips >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>network with the people in the events.I don't consider >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answer >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the above, although I travel a lot, but I could >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think, this would be of any problem to people with low >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any tips would also help me to share with our students >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NAB. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks a lot, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-Srinivasu >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Best regards, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Srinivasu Chakravarthula >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.learnaccessibility.org >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VasuTweets >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Register for AccessIndia convention 2011(November >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12-13) >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Search for old postings at: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessin >> dia.org.in/ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe send a message to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with the subject unsubscribe. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To change your subscription to digest mode or make any >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>changes, please visit the list home page at >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/acces >> sindia_accessindia.org.in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>confidential and intended solely for the use of the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>entity to whom they are addressed. 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