[AI] Accessible voting machine!
Friends, I do not think merely providing Braille on the EVMs buttons is the solution. Most blind voters will not be able to read Braille. The solution has to be more universal. Providing Braille notings on buttons is a cut and paste solution. We need to take the matter with the EVM manufacturers or the EC needs to understand the issue of access and then come up with a solution. I would like to take the matter up with the EC post the 8th of December. Anyone wanting to join me can connect with me off the list. Regards, George CEO Score Foundation 17/107, LGF, Vikramvihar, Lajpatnagar 4, New Delhi 110024 Ph: 91 11 26472581,91 11 46070396 Mob: 91 9810934040 Email: geo...@eyeway.org Website: www.scorefoundation.org.in/www.eyeway.org Skype: georgeabraham13 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine!
Hi George, What solution do you propose? We must have a solution before we go to the EC. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine!
Technology is not the only factor here. Yes, we need to explore possibilities with the technologies the EC uses but alongside there is a great need to sensitise and train the officers posted at the polling booths. As far as the technology is concerned, I believe the EC has to be involved with the process of creating access. All this would require initial dialogue with the Commission. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: 06 December 2013 05:49 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! Hi George, What solution do you propose? We must have a solution before we go to the EC. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin dia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine!
Can there be speech out put? That is, when we touch the buttons they should speak the simble so we know which is which. Then choosing our one, we can press the desired one. Preeti Preeti Monga Director Mobile: +91 9871701646 Landline: 011 22781446 E-mail: preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in Website: www.silver-linings.co.in ; www.silver-linings.org Our Services: Executive Search - Specializing in Head Hunting. Training Motivation; Stress Management; Soft Skill; Behavioral. Gifting Corporate ; Promotional; Events. End to end CSR Advisory; including demystifying workshops and counseling. Printing Solutions, Incentive Travel and Marketing Data Mining / Refining.. We assure high quality service marked with excellence and complete customer centricity, forming Synergies as we go along. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 5:49 AM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! Hi George, What solution do you propose? We must have a solution before we go to the EC. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine!
Ideally, we need to look at audio based solutions. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Preeti Monga Sent: 06 December 2013 09:58 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! Can there be speech out put? That is, when we touch the buttons they should speak the simble so we know which is which. Then choosing our one, we can press the desired one. Preeti Preeti Monga Director Mobile: +91 9871701646 Landline: 011 22781446 E-mail: preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in Website: www.silver-linings.co.in ; www.silver-linings.org Our Services: Executive Search - Specializing in Head Hunting. Training Motivation; Stress Management; Soft Skill; Behavioral. Gifting Corporate ; Promotional; Events. End to end CSR Advisory; including demystifying workshops and counseling. Printing Solutions, Incentive Travel and Marketing Data Mining / Refining.. We assure high quality service marked with excellence and complete customer centricity, forming Synergies as we go along. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 5:49 AM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! Hi George, What solution do you propose? We must have a solution before we go to the EC. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin d ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin dia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine!
it's true Gorge Sir, until & unless we know the list of candidates and their serial number then how will we come to know to which number we have to press the button, on EVM machine if the names are provided against the buttons it will take long time to read where there will be more candidates, for example in Timarpur constituance there were 12 candidates we can't waste our time reading near EVM machine the other people in the line will start shouting, so I request you to write to Election Commission to provide Braille list of candidates outside the Poling booth so that we can decide to which number we can press button. On 12/5/13, George Abraham wrote: > Friends, > > > > I do not think merely providing Braille on the EVMs buttons is the > solution. Most blind voters will not be able to read Braille. The solution > has to be more universal. Providing Braille notings on buttons is a cut and > paste solution. We need to take the matter with the EVM manufacturers or > the EC needs to understand the issue of access and then come up with a > solution. > > > > I would like to take the matter up with the EC post the 8th of December. > Anyone wanting to join me can connect with me off the list. > > > > Regards, > > > > George > > > > CEO > > Score Foundation > > 17/107, LGF, > > Vikramvihar, Lajpatnagar 4, > > New Delhi 110024 > > Ph: 91 11 26472581,91 11 46070396 > > Mob: 91 9810934040 > > Email: geo...@eyeway.org > > Website: www.scorefoundation.org.in/www.eyeway.org > > Skype: georgeabraham13 > > > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- vivekananda Ph-9868954833, skype: vivekkavya, FB: vivek doddamani. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine!
Dear George, I wont be able to join you but if you want any information from MP. I am always ready to provide, I am also raising this issue in Madhya Pradesh. Thank you Regards Sonu -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of George Abraham Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 10:32 AM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! Technology is not the only factor here. Yes, we need to explore possibilities with the technologies the EC uses but alongside there is a great need to sensitise and train the officers posted at the polling booths. As far as the technology is concerned, I believe the EC has to be involved with the process of creating access. All this would require initial dialogue with the Commission. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: 06 December 2013 05:49 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! Hi George, What solution do you propose? We must have a solution before we go to the EC. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin dia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine!
Hi George, I do not disagree with having an initial dialog with the EC but we need to be clear about what we need from them. On 12/6/13, CVM wrote: > Dear George, > > I wont be able to join you but if you want any information from MP. I am > always ready to provide, I am also raising this issue in Madhya Pradesh. > > Thank you > > Regards > > Sonu > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of George Abraham > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 10:32 AM > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! > > Technology is not the only factor here. Yes, we need to explore > possibilities with the technologies the EC uses but alongside there is a > great need to sensitise and train the officers posted at the polling > booths. As far as the technology is concerned, I believe the EC has to be > involved with the process of creating access. All this would require > initial dialogue with the Commission. > > -Original Message- > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf > Of Pranav Lal > Sent: 06 December 2013 05:49 > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning > the disabled.' > Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! > > Hi George, > > What solution do you propose? We must have a solution before we go to the > EC. > > Pranav > > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin > dia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of > the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its > veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind > ia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of > the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine!
Hi, I would love to join in this effort. Ofcourse it requires a lot of research, and more importantly discussion with authorities. More often than not it is not an issue of technology but an issue of communication or co-ordination. I have previously met with Chief Election Officer, Maharashtra EC though it was regarding a different topic (NRI Voting Rights) and would love to join this effort too. Best, Sagar +91 99 30 271732 intouchid: 2010-SAGAR007 <http://intch.me/2010-SAGAR007> "The evil of the world is made possible only by the sanction you give it." - John Galt in "Atlas Shrugged" On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Pranav Lal wrote: > Hi George, > > I do not disagree with having an initial dialog with the EC but we > need to be clear about what we need from them. > > On 12/6/13, CVM wrote: > > Dear George, > > > > I wont be able to join you but if you want any information from MP. I am > > always ready to provide, I am also raising this issue in Madhya Pradesh. > > > > Thank you > > > > Regards > > > > Sonu > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > > Of George Abraham > > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 10:32 AM > > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning > > the disabled.' > > Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! > > > > Technology is not the only factor here. Yes, we need to explore > > possibilities with the technologies the EC uses but alongside there is a > > great need to sensitise and train the officers posted at the polling > > booths. As far as the technology is concerned, I believe the EC has to be > > involved with the process of creating access. All this would require > > initial dialogue with the Commission. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On > Behalf > > Of Pranav Lal > > Sent: 06 December 2013 05:49 > > To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerning > > the disabled.' > > Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! > > > > Hi George, > > > > What solution do you propose? We must have a solution before we go to the > > EC. > > > > Pranav > > > > > > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility > of > > mobile phones / Tabs on: > > > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin > > dia.org.in > > > > > > Search for old postings at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > > with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > > please visit the list home page at > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > > > > Disclaimer: > > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of > > the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its > > veracity; > > > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the > mails > > sent through this mailing list.. > > > > > > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility > of > > mobile phones / Tabs on: > > > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind > > ia.org.in > > > > > > Search for old postings at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to > > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > > with the subject unsubscribe. > > > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > > please > > visit the list home page at > > > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > > > > Disclaimer: > > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of > > the > > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the > mails > > sent through this mailing list.. > > > > > > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility > of > > mobile phones / Tabs on: > > > http://mail.accessind
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Election commission provides the braille list. But it is the staff on duty that ignores it. most of the on duty election staff does not understand the importance of that particular paper and just throws it somewhere. When some VI demands the same, they have no answer. there is a need to sensetise the staff on duty. election commission has taken up most of the measures regarding the VI. - Original Message - From: "Vivekananda Doddamani." To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! it's true Gorge Sir, until & unless we know the list of candidates and their serial number then how will we come to know to which number we have to press the button, on EVM machine if the names are provided against the buttons it will take long time to read where there will be more candidates, for example in Timarpur constituance there were 12 candidates we can't waste our time reading near EVM machine the other people in the line will start shouting, so I request you to write to Election Commission to provide Braille list of candidates outside the Poling booth so that we can decide to which number we can press button. On 12/5/13, George Abraham wrote: Friends, I do not think merely providing Braille on the EVMs buttons is the solution. Most blind voters will not be able to read Braille. The solution has to be more universal. Providing Braille notings on buttons is a cut and paste solution. We need to take the matter with the EVM manufacturers or the EC needs to understand the issue of access and then come up with a solution. I would like to take the matter up with the EC post the 8th of December. Anyone wanting to join me can connect with me off the list. Regards, George CEO Score Foundation 17/107, LGF, Vikramvihar, Lajpatnagar 4, New Delhi 110024 Ph: 91 11 26472581,91 11 46070396 Mob: 91 9810934040 Email: geo...@eyeway.org Website: www.scorefoundation.org.in/www.eyeway.org Skype: georgeabraham13 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- vivekananda Ph-9868954833, skype: vivekkavya, FB: vivek doddamani. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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In election of 2013 when I used my franchise for the first time I faced the same problem. I've to seek help from one of the staff member. Brail is no solution. Audio feedback is the real solution. I guess there should be two steps while using our franchise. Firstly there should be 2 sets of buttons for every party, first button should read out the candidate name and his or her party and second button should be for registering our vote. A problem arises over here audio feedback may be audible for others and it defeats our right to maintain our choice secret, for that headphones or EVMs should be placed in enclose boots like we have for ATM. On 12/6/13, Pranav Lal wrote: > Hi George, > > I do not disagree with having an initial dialog with the EC but we > need to be clear about what we need from them. > > On 12/6/13, CVM wrote: >> Dear George, >> >> I wont be able to join you but if you want any information from MP. I am >> always ready to provide, I am also raising this issue in Madhya Pradesh. >> >> Thank you >> >> Regards >> >> Sonu >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of George Abraham >> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 10:32 AM >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning >> the disabled.' >> Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! >> >> Technology is not the only factor here. Yes, we need to explore >> possibilities with the technologies the EC uses but alongside there is a >> great need to sensitise and train the officers posted at the polling >> booths. As far as the technology is concerned, I believe the EC has to be >> involved with the process of creating access. All this would require >> initial dialogue with the Commission. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf >> Of Pranav Lal >> Sent: 06 December 2013 05:49 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning >> the disabled.' >> Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! >> >> Hi George, >> >> What solution do you propose? We must have a solution before we go to the >> EC. >> >> Pranav >> >> >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin >> dia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >> veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> >> >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind >> ia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> >> >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >>
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Audio solution will not only help vi but also those individuals who can not read or write. On 12/6/13, Arjun Malhotra wrote: > In election of 2013 when I used my franchise for the first time I > faced the same problem. I've to seek help from one of the staff > member. Brail is no solution. Audio feedback is the real solution. I > guess there should be two steps while using our franchise. Firstly > there should be 2 sets of buttons for every party, first button should > read out the candidate name and his or her party and second button > should be for registering our vote. A problem arises over here audio > feedback may be audible for others and it defeats our right to > maintain our choice secret, for that headphones or EVMs should be > placed in enclose boots like we have for ATM. > > On 12/6/13, Pranav Lal wrote: >> Hi George, >> >> I do not disagree with having an initial dialog with the EC but we >> need to be clear about what we need from them. >> >> On 12/6/13, CVM wrote: >>> Dear George, >>> >>> I wont be able to join you but if you want any information from MP. I am >>> always ready to provide, I am also raising this issue in Madhya Pradesh. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Sonu >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of George Abraham >>> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 10:32 AM >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled.' >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! >>> >>> Technology is not the only factor here. Yes, we need to explore >>> possibilities with the technologies the EC uses but alongside there is a >>> great need to sensitise and train the officers posted at the polling >>> booths. As far as the technology is concerned, I believe the EC has to >>> be >>> involved with the process of creating access. All this would require >>> initial dialogue with the Commission. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Pranav Lal >>> Sent: 06 December 2013 05:49 >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerning >>> the disabled.' >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! >>> >>> Hi George, >>> >>> What solution do you propose? We must have a solution before we go to >>> the >>> EC. >>> >>> Pranav >>> >>> >>> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>> of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin >>> dia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >>> the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >>> veracity; >>> >>> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >>> mails >>> sent through this mailing list.. >>> >>> >>> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>> of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind >>> ia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> &
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Now we are talking! Braille is more often than not seen as the way to include blind people into various situations. This is like "ramps" being the panacea for all disability access. The EC needs to conceptually understand disability and then think of designs. Our effort should be to sensitise and educate the EC so that the effort is not merely restricted to the EVMs but also the officers who man the booths. There would be technology modifications, man power training and polling booth designs, maybe modifications in the polling booth protocols and so on. We need to brainstorm involving the EC. They need to rethink process, a process that is universal. George -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Arjun Malhotra Sent: 06 December 2013 16:03 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! In election of 2013 when I used my franchise for the first time I faced the same problem. I've to seek help from one of the staff member. Brail is no solution. Audio feedback is the real solution. I guess there should be two steps while using our franchise. Firstly there should be 2 sets of buttons for every party, first button should read out the candidate name and his or her party and second button should be for registering our vote. A problem arises over here audio feedback may be audible for others and it defeats our right to maintain our choice secret, for that headphones or EVMs should be placed in enclose boots like we have for ATM. On 12/6/13, Pranav Lal wrote: > Hi George, > > I do not disagree with having an initial dialog with the EC but we > need to be clear about what we need from them. > > On 12/6/13, CVM wrote: >> Dear George, >> >> I wont be able to join you but if you want any information from MP. I >> am always ready to provide, I am also raising this issue in Madhya Pradesh. >> >> Thank you >> >> Regards >> >> Sonu >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of George Abraham >> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 10:32 AM >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! >> >> Technology is not the only factor here. Yes, we need to explore >> possibilities with the technologies the EC uses but alongside there >> is a great need to sensitise and train the officers posted at the >> polling booths. As far as the technology is concerned, I believe the >> EC has to be involved with the process of creating access. All this >> would require initial dialogue with the Commission. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On >> Behalf Of Pranav Lal >> Sent: 06 December 2013 05:49 >> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerning the disabled.' >> Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! >> >> Hi George, >> >> What solution do you propose? We must have a solution before we go to >> the EC. >> >> Pranav >> >> >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >> accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_ac >> cessin >> dia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.or >> g.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >> of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >> veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails sent through this mailing list.. >> >> >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >> accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_ac >> cessind >> ia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send
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But audio base solution may disclose the seecrecy. - Original Message - From: "George Abraham" To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled.'" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! Ideally, we need to look at audio based solutions. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Preeti Monga Sent: 06 December 2013 09:58 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! Can there be speech out put? That is, when we touch the buttons they should speak the simble so we know which is which. Then choosing our one, we can press the desired one. Preeti Preeti Monga Director Mobile: +91 9871701646 Landline: 011 22781446 E-mail: preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in Website: www.silver-linings.co.in ; www.silver-linings.org Our Services: Executive Search - Specializing in Head Hunting. Training -Motivation; Stress Management; Soft Skill; Behavioral. Gifting - Corporate ; Promotional; Events. End to end CSR Advisory; including demystifying workshops and counseling. Printing Solutions, Incentive Travel and Marketing Data Mining / Refining.. We assure high quality service marked with excellence and complete customer centricity, forming Synergies as we go along. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 5:49 AM To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Accessible voting machine! Hi George, What solution do you propose? We must have a solution before we go to the EC. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin d ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin dia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual,
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George, Ideally, you should have solutions working across multiple modalities. What does a deafblind person do? You need tactile which you already have and if necessary audio but I don't see how audio will work since as far as I know, electronic voting machines are standard products. They are not easy to customize since the makers have to be very very careful before changing anything. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
