Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Then, why SC Commission and minority commission are always headed by one amongst them? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:19 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Cc: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow I think the topic is leading to something else. In my opinion I'm sorry but I would disagree with the statement that This office must be always headed by a person with disability itself. It's not about the person with disability or another, it's about attitude , skill and willingness to work While it's true PWD would aware of issues and solutions for people with disables, it is not correct in saying other folks cannot work for PWD. What if mainstream society think the PWD cannot think of mainstream hence no jobs among the mainstream? Views expressed here are my personal. Regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula | PayPal | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C On 04-Feb-2014, at 12:39, Misbah jnu.mis...@gmail.com wrote: One more caution, Just think about the office of Chief Commissioner for persons with disability. No one would have even aware with the power and functions of this watch-dog institution, until it got a person with disability as its head in 2010. Now we know how many landmark judgement this office has given. We saw a ray a hope whenever our any right and safeguard gets violated, we immediately rushed to CCPD. But in accordance to this draft NCPD can be headed by anyone, though always our philosophy of disability right movement has remain 'nothing about us, without us'. This office must be always headed by a person with disability itself for ever, if we really wish our well being and a prompt response from bureaucracy. Apart from it, as Ajay has mention the nature of power of this institution has also being significantly curtailed through changing the term of direction with recommendations. Best On 2/4/14, Misbah jnu.mis...@gmail.com wrote: After going through with this cabinet approve draft, I wish that it must be oppose with our full strength. apart from several loophols, it nullifies one of the fundamental right of a human wich is absence of any sortof discremenation against persons with disability. the drafters of this bill has even gone against the sole of our constitution by legitimising discremenation on the name of securing a legitimate means. I hope that we will fought and fought strongly. Best Misbah On 2/4/14, muruganandan.k send2...@gmail.com wrote: Dear activists fighting out for our rights and other friends, on reading the RPD draft fully, I strongly believe that the harms to be caused by the passing of this bill in its current form will be definitely far worse than the fruits it promises to bring. Its surely not a good idea to pass it on and then beg for amendments, and I sincerely request the protest-strategist and activists to consider all other possible alternates that would check its passing without at least minimum rectifications. the draft sounds too ridiculous to accept at manifold places. With no such differentiation being made so far between the totally blind and low vision, totally blind will be the most deprived of all as only those with virtually low vision will be preferred for employment even under the totally blind category. As far as I know, many states like Tamilnadu do not even have the category of low vision. all the persons with low vision are counted only as blind, and the doctors also certify everyone as 'Hundred Per Cent Blind'! in this condition, how the act (if it turns out to be) can be implemented? I also feel the reservation pattern is also not based on any logic. And the CCPD will no longer have the same powers, the really beneficial orders we have been getting from the Chief Commissioner so far will, no longer be possible to get, even if our Mr. Pincha sir like committed people are there in the office! finally, the PWD act 1995 at least is silent on many issues of serious concern, and the activists are able to at least approach the court and get the cases interpreted in our favour. But, with the present bill, I think it, in the name of including all the issues, has largely diluted the matters and offers grave loop-wholes for the bureaucracy to sideline, discriminate and neglect us as many in the list have explained. We have got our rights and provisions only through our own struggles, irrespective of the governments in power. Lets fight out this also! Really regret for not being able to join you all in the Darna being at another end of the country... but wish you all success, and we here in Tamilnadu and Puducherry will also do our bestfrom
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
I personally don't support that too. When we talk about inclusion, let's talk about real inclusion. It should not be just about PWD inclusion into main stream but skis vis-a-versa. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 04-Feb-2014, at 13:34, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Then, why SC Commission and minority commission are always headed by one amongst them? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:19 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Cc: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow I think the topic is leading to something else. In my opinion I'm sorry but I would disagree with the statement that This office must be always headed by a person with disability itself. It's not about the person with disability or another, it's about attitude , skill and willingness to work While it's true PWD would aware of issues and solutions for people with disables, it is not correct in saying other folks cannot work for PWD. What if mainstream society think the PWD cannot think of mainstream hence no jobs among the mainstream? Views expressed here are my personal. Regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula | PayPal | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C On 04-Feb-2014, at 12:39, Misbah jnu.mis...@gmail.com wrote: One more caution, Just think about the office of Chief Commissioner for persons with disability. No one would have even aware with the power and functions of this watch-dog institution, until it got a person with disability as its head in 2010. Now we know how many landmark judgement this office has given. We saw a ray a hope whenever our any right and safeguard gets violated, we immediately rushed to CCPD. But in accordance to this draft NCPD can be headed by anyone, though always our philosophy of disability right movement has remain 'nothing about us, without us'. This office must be always headed by a person with disability itself for ever, if we really wish our well being and a prompt response from bureaucracy. Apart from it, as Ajay has mention the nature of power of this institution has also being significantly curtailed through changing the term of direction with recommendations. Best On 2/4/14, Misbah jnu.mis...@gmail.com wrote: After going through with this cabinet approve draft, I wish that it must be oppose with our full strength. apart from several loophols, it nullifies one of the fundamental right of a human wich is absence of any sortof discremenation against persons with disability. the drafters of this bill has even gone against the sole of our constitution by legitimising discremenation on the name of securing a legitimate means. I hope that we will fought and fought strongly. Best Misbah On 2/4/14, muruganandan.k send2...@gmail.com wrote: Dear activists fighting out for our rights and other friends, on reading the RPD draft fully, I strongly believe that the harms to be caused by the passing of this bill in its current form will be definitely far worse than the fruits it promises to bring. Its surely not a good idea to pass it on and then beg for amendments, and I sincerely request the protest-strategist and activists to consider all other possible alternates that would check its passing without at least minimum rectifications. the draft sounds too ridiculous to accept at manifold places. With no such differentiation being made so far between the totally blind and low vision, totally blind will be the most deprived of all as only those with virtually low vision will be preferred for employment even under the totally blind category. As far as I know, many states like Tamilnadu do not even have the category of low vision. all the persons with low vision are counted only as blind, and the doctors also certify everyone as 'Hundred Per Cent Blind'! in this condition, how the act (if it turns out to be) can be implemented? I also feel the reservation pattern is also not based on any logic. And the CCPD will no longer have the same powers, the really beneficial orders we have been getting from the Chief Commissioner so far will, no longer be possible to get, even if our Mr. Pincha sir like committed people are there in the office! finally, the PWD act 1995 at least is silent on many issues of serious
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
The Chief Commissioner should be a person with disability, if we are looking for a non-disabled perspective also to make it really inclusive, then a non-disabled could also become one of the members. Although in an ideal world, the disabled and the non-disabled would recognize the humanness of the disabled or the non-disabled without getting it entangled in notions of ability or normality, the reality is far from being that ideal scenario. That is why the experiencial aspect really matters. On 2/4/14, li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org wrote: I personally don't support that too. When we talk about inclusion, let's talk about real inclusion. It should not be just about PWD inclusion into main stream but skis vis-a-versa. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 04-Feb-2014, at 13:34, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote: Then, why SC Commission and minority commission are always headed by one amongst them? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:19 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Cc: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow I think the topic is leading to something else. In my opinion I'm sorry but I would disagree with the statement that This office must be always headed by a person with disability itself. It's not about the person with disability or another, it's about attitude , skill and willingness to work While it's true PWD would aware of issues and solutions for people with disables, it is not correct in saying other folks cannot work for PWD. What if mainstream society think the PWD cannot think of mainstream hence no jobs among the mainstream? Views expressed here are my personal. Regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula | PayPal | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C On 04-Feb-2014, at 12:39, Misbah jnu.mis...@gmail.com wrote: One more caution, Just think about the office of Chief Commissioner for persons with disability. No one would have even aware with the power and functions of this watch-dog institution, until it got a person with disability as its head in 2010. Now we know how many landmark judgement this office has given. We saw a ray a hope whenever our any right and safeguard gets violated, we immediately rushed to CCPD. But in accordance to this draft NCPD can be headed by anyone, though always our philosophy of disability right movement has remain 'nothing about us, without us'. This office must be always headed by a person with disability itself for ever, if we really wish our well being and a prompt response from bureaucracy. Apart from it, as Ajay has mention the nature of power of this institution has also being significantly curtailed through changing the term of direction with recommendations. Best On 2/4/14, Misbah jnu.mis...@gmail.com wrote: After going through with this cabinet approve draft, I wish that it must be oppose with our full strength. apart from several loophols, it nullifies one of the fundamental right of a human wich is absence of any sortof discremenation against persons with disability. the drafters of this bill has even gone against the sole of our constitution by legitimising discremenation on the name of securing a legitimate means. I hope that we will fought and fought strongly. Best Misbah On 2/4/14, muruganandan.k send2...@gmail.com wrote: Dear activists fighting out for our rights and other friends, on reading the RPD draft fully, I strongly believe that the harms to be caused by the passing of this bill in its current form will be definitely far worse than the fruits it promises to bring. Its surely not a good idea to pass it on and then beg for amendments, and I sincerely request the protest-strategist and activists to consider all other possible alternates that would check its passing without at least minimum rectifications. the draft sounds too ridiculous to accept at manifold places. With no such differentiation being made so far between the totally blind and low vision, totally blind will be the most deprived of all as only those with virtually low vision will be preferred for employment even under the totally blind category. As far as I know, many states like Tamilnadu do not even have the category of low vision. all the persons with low vision are counted only
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo
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at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 22:17, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
iPhone On Feb 2, 2014, at 11:21 PM, Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote: If the bill is to be passed, then the proposed changes have to be included. The bill is not good for the disabled in the current form, and waiting for an amendment may not be the smartest idea. Remember the PWD Act hasn't had one meaningful amendment in more than 18 years. We need a solid legislation, and the efforts should be to make the government bring about the essential changes in the bill before it is passed. On 2/2/14, Shireen Irani shireen@gmail.com wrote: wouldn't that be more difficult?? just asking. because once u have things on paper, things can be very difficult to change. and then most of the officials involved will probably wash their hands off us claiming that we are only creating mennace. while it is true, that waiting for another 5 years is not a good idea, there's no harm in going on pushing till the endth hour. if things cant change, then the bill can be passed as is. my other worry is that they might turn around and say that all this should have been thought of, while making the bill itself. its probably not very smart to pass the bill, and then immediately fight for amendments. of course experts will know better, this is just of the top of my head. On 2/2/14, li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org wrote: Avinash. One thought: can we not get this bill passed and then push for amendment? I saw someone on this list asking Mr. Abidi that why did he not see the bill before putting efforts to get the bill tabled? I think it's also responsibility of everyone. Why did author of that email brought up the issues before? I agree with Kanchan that current drafted bill is better than the existing one. Yes, there are issues but friends, do you think if we miss this session, do we get the law soon? I sincerely feel we should now get it passed and then put in strong efforts to get the amendments. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 22:17, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious
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by our country, and I honestly don't think that we can change the system in the near future. In an ideal world, our voices would be heard and the necessary alterations would be incorporated in the existing bill. In the real world, though, the only thing that these protests will do is that they will prevent the bill from getting passed in this session. Notwithstanding some major flaws, this bill is definitely better than the 1995 Act, and I earnestly believe that we should make all possible efforts to get it passed in the coming session. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2014, at 11:21 PM, Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote: If the bill is to be passed, then the proposed changes have to be included. The bill is not good for the disabled in the current form, and waiting for an amendment may not be the smartest idea. Remember the PWD Act hasn't had one meaningful amendment in more than 18 years. We need a solid legislation, and the efforts should be to make the government bring about the essential changes in the bill before it is passed. On 2/2/14, Shireen Irani shireen@gmail.com wrote: wouldn't that be more difficult?? just asking. because once u have things on paper, things can be very difficult to change. and then most of the officials involved will probably wash their hands off us claiming that we are only creating mennace. while it is true, that waiting for another 5 years is not a good idea, there's no harm in going on pushing till the endth hour. if things cant change, then the bill can be passed as is. my other worry is that they might turn around and say that all this should have been thought of, while making the bill itself. its probably not very smart to pass the bill, and then immediately fight for amendments. of course experts will know better, this is just of the top of my head. On 2/2/14, li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org wrote: Avinash. One thought: can we not get this bill passed and then push for amendment? I saw someone on this list asking Mr. Abidi that why did he not see the bill before putting efforts to get the bill tabled? I think it's also responsibility of everyone. Why did author of that email brought up the issues before? I agree with Kanchan that current drafted bill is better than the existing one. Yes, there are issues but friends, do you think if we miss this session, do we get the law soon? I sincerely feel we should now get it passed and then put in strong efforts to get the amendments. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 22:17, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail
[AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Avinash. One thought: can we not get this bill passed and then push for amendment? I saw someone on this list asking Mr. Abidi that why did he not see the bill before putting efforts to get the bill tabled? I think it's also responsibility of everyone. Why did author of that email brought up the issues before? I agree with Kanchan that current drafted bill is better than the existing one. Yes, there are issues but friends, do you think if we miss this session, do we get the law soon? I sincerely feel we should now get it passed and then put in strong efforts to get the amendments. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 22:17, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Why don't we wish to follow parliamentary procedure where Bill should be debated discussed, and all 542 MPS should be able to voice their tongue? isn't the disability is a national issue? We are not in 1995, where Bill was passed without any discussion. When we already know the major drawbacks in the Bill better we get these shortcomings rectified before hand. As far as my experience of readership goes and my network alerts me, Standing committee doesn't lisson people like you and me who are either researchers or professionals... they have their own specialised team which is very rigid... Government has cheated us and its intention is very scary friends. On 2/2/14, li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org wrote: Avinash. One thought: can we not get this bill passed and then push for amendment? I saw someone on this list asking Mr. Abidi that why did he not see the bill before putting efforts to get the bill tabled? I think it's also responsibility of everyone. Why did author of that email brought up the issues before? I agree with Kanchan that current drafted bill is better than the existing one. Yes, there are issues but friends, do you think if we miss this session, do we get the law soon? I sincerely feel we should now get it passed and then put in strong efforts to get the amendments. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 22:17, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in
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wouldn't that be more difficult?? just asking. because once u have things on paper, things can be very difficult to change. and then most of the officials involved will probably wash their hands off us claiming that we are only creating mennace. while it is true, that waiting for another 5 years is not a good idea, there's no harm in going on pushing till the endth hour. if things cant change, then the bill can be passed as is. my other worry is that they might turn around and say that all this should have been thought of, while making the bill itself. its probably not very smart to pass the bill, and then immediately fight for amendments. of course experts will know better, this is just of the top of my head. On 2/2/14, li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org wrote: Avinash. One thought: can we not get this bill passed and then push for amendment? I saw someone on this list asking Mr. Abidi that why did he not see the bill before putting efforts to get the bill tabled? I think it's also responsibility of everyone. Why did author of that email brought up the issues before? I agree with Kanchan that current drafted bill is better than the existing one. Yes, there are issues but friends, do you think if we miss this session, do we get the law soon? I sincerely feel we should now get it passed and then put in strong efforts to get the amendments. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 22:17, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Hi Avinash, I agree that we are not in 1995 and 542 MPS should voice their thoughts. That said I doubt how many of them even know anything about disability. I'm not sure and I may be wrong but did we the disability sector educated those 542 MPS on the matter? When they don't even know D of disability and R of rights, what would they discuss? Perhaps, post the bill is passed, we should actively educated MPS and get the amendments done. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 23:07, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't we wish to follow parliamentary procedure where Bill should be debated discussed, and all 542 MPS should be able to voice their tongue? isn't the disability is a national issue? We are not in 1995, where Bill was passed without any discussion. When we already know the major drawbacks in the Bill better we get these shortcomings rectified before hand. As far as my experience of readership goes and my network alerts me, Standing committee doesn't lisson people like you and me who are either researchers or professionals... they have their own specialised team which is very rigid... Government has cheated us and its intention is very scary friends. On 2/2/14, li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org wrote: Avinash. One thought: can we not get this bill passed and then push for amendment? I saw someone on this list asking Mr. Abidi that why did he not see the bill before putting efforts to get the bill tabled? I think it's also responsibility of everyone. Why did author of that email brought up the issues before? I agree with Kanchan that current drafted bill is better than the existing one. Yes, there are issues but friends, do you think if we miss this session, do we get the law soon? I sincerely feel we should now get it passed and then put in strong efforts to get the amendments. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 22:17, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
If the bill is to be passed, then the proposed changes have to be included. The bill is not good for the disabled in the current form, and waiting for an amendment may not be the smartest idea. Remember the PWD Act hasn't had one meaningful amendment in more than 18 years. We need a solid legislation, and the efforts should be to make the government bring about the essential changes in the bill before it is passed. On 2/2/14, Shireen Irani shireen@gmail.com wrote: wouldn't that be more difficult?? just asking. because once u have things on paper, things can be very difficult to change. and then most of the officials involved will probably wash their hands off us claiming that we are only creating mennace. while it is true, that waiting for another 5 years is not a good idea, there's no harm in going on pushing till the endth hour. if things cant change, then the bill can be passed as is. my other worry is that they might turn around and say that all this should have been thought of, while making the bill itself. its probably not very smart to pass the bill, and then immediately fight for amendments. of course experts will know better, this is just of the top of my head. On 2/2/14, li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org wrote: Avinash. One thought: can we not get this bill passed and then push for amendment? I saw someone on this list asking Mr. Abidi that why did he not see the bill before putting efforts to get the bill tabled? I think it's also responsibility of everyone. Why did author of that email brought up the issues before? I agree with Kanchan that current drafted bill is better than the existing one. Yes, there are issues but friends, do you think if we miss this session, do we get the law soon? I sincerely feel we should now get it passed and then put in strong efforts to get the amendments. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 22:17, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law
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Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home
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Dear all, On amendment, I would just say that copyright bill was passed in late 1950s and it took us sixty long years to seek even one amendment for disableds that too after many right to read campaigns in many parts of the country. Even kanchan mam was personally involved in many of those campaigns. Therefore, the idea of having amendments later, does not seem to be well placed to me. Let me give few examples of how this bill should not be passed: 1. the proposed national commissions for persons with disabilities cannot give directions, whereas ccpd could. It can only give recommendations. 2. the definition for low vision and totally blind is very complocated and vague. it says that for totally blind the upper limit of having the benefit of reservation will be 6by 60. which means anybody who can see things upto six metres will be counted in totally blind category. And anybody who can see upto two metre and beyond will come under low vision. Now this beyond can be anything, it can be 8 metres or 16 metres. Now please understand that all those who can see upto six metres will be preferred in the category of totally blind, because they can see and still they will be considered as totally blind. Whereas, those who are really hundred percent blind will be marginalized by the employers. I'm sure that even kanchan mam would not want this bill to be passed in its present form. she also would want it to be sent to the standing committee. with regards Ajay Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Another point that I would like to bring to your attention is that chapter 2 of the proposed act: RIGHTS AND ENTITLEMENTS says that persons with disabilities will not be discriminated unless the discrimination is for the legitimate end. Now legitimate end can be anything. The government can say that employing persons with blindness may endanger the security of the passengers in railway, therefore, we cannot appoint them in railways as it is a legitimate end. Similarly, government can argue that hearing impaired cannot be given driving license, because they may cause problem to the public order. Guys there can be thousands of legitimate ends for the government that we cannot even think of at this point of time. On 2/3/14, Ajay Arora ajayaror...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, On amendment, I would just say that copyright bill was passed in late 1950s and it took us sixty long years to seek even one amendment for disableds that too after many right to read campaigns in many parts of the country. Even kanchan mam was personally involved in many of those campaigns. Therefore, the idea of having amendments later, does not seem to be well placed to me. Let me give few examples of how this bill should not be passed: 1.the proposed national commissions for persons with disabilities cannot give directions, whereas ccpd could. It can only give recommendations. 2. the definition for low vision and totally blind is very complocated and vague. it says that for totally blind the upper limit of having the benefit of reservation will be 6by 60. which means anybody who can see things upto six metres will be counted in totally blind category. And anybody who can see upto two metre and beyond will come under low vision. Now this beyond can be anything, it can be 8 metres or 16 metres. Now please understand that all those who can see upto six metres will be preferred in the category of totally blind, because they can see and still they will be considered as totally blind. Whereas, those who are really hundred percent blind will be marginalized by the employers. I'm sure that even kanchan mam would not want this bill to be passed in its present form. she also would want it to be sent to the standing committee. with regards Ajay -- Ajay Arora phd research scholar Centre for the Study of Law and Governance JNU Nelson Mandela Marg New Delhi India Contact Mobile +91-8826360111. email: ajayaror...@gmail.com Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Hi all, Finally, I couldn't refrain myself from keeping my point of view. I fully agree with Avinash and Ajay. In a system like our's, it is next to impossible to seek an amendment in near future. Even a lot of laws related to business and political interest take a grater amount of time to get amended then disability is not an exception. My best wishes to all those who are fighting on the roads and in dharnas to make themselves audable to the system. It is so easy for us to sit in frunt of a fancy computer and write an email but almost impossible to join them for this nobel cause. Being in a situation of low vision as well as blind, I have seen how blind are discriminated on various occasions. Though everybuddy has a fundamental right to keep his/ her point of view but It is necessary to keep a singal openion for the benefit of a larger community. We shouldn't forget that after elections, the situation will be worst. In the end, My best wishes will always with those people who are striving hard to get the things done. Thanks and regards. On 2/3/14, Ajay Arora ajayaror...@gmail.com wrote: Another point that I would like to bring to your attention is that chapter 2 of the proposed act: RIGHTS AND ENTITLEMENTS says that persons with disabilities will not be discriminated unless the discrimination is for the legitimate end. Now legitimate end can be anything. The government can say that employing persons with blindness may endanger the security of the passengers in railway, therefore, we cannot appoint them in railways as it is a legitimate end. Similarly, government can argue that hearing impaired cannot be given driving license, because they may cause problem to the public order. Guys there can be thousands of legitimate ends for the government that we cannot even think of at this point of time. On 2/3/14, Ajay Arora ajayaror...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, On amendment, I would just say that copyright bill was passed in late 1950s and it took us sixty long years to seek even one amendment for disableds that too after many right to read campaigns in many parts of the country. Even kanchan mam was personally involved in many of those campaigns. Therefore, the idea of having amendments later, does not seem to be well placed to me. Let me give few examples of how this bill should not be passed: 1. the proposed national commissions for persons with disabilities cannot give directions, whereas ccpd could. It can only give recommendations. 2. the definition for low vision and totally blind is very complocated and vague. it says that for totally blind the upper limit of having the benefit of reservation will be 6by 60. which means anybody who can see things upto six metres will be counted in totally blind category. And anybody who can see upto two metre and beyond will come under low vision. Now this beyond can be anything, it can be 8 metres or 16 metres. Now please understand that all those who can see upto six metres will be preferred in the category of totally blind, because they can see and still they will be considered as totally blind. Whereas, those who are really hundred percent blind will be marginalized by the employers. I'm sure that even kanchan mam would not want this bill to be passed in its present form. she also would want it to be sent to the standing committee. with regards Ajay -- Ajay Arora phd research scholar Centre for the Study of Law and Governance JNU Nelson Mandela Marg New Delhi India Contact Mobile +91-8826360111. email: ajayaror...@gmail.com Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-9584076767 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Friends, I am mentioning here few recent examples of blatant discrimination with blind people and specially 100% blind. Bangiya Gramin Vikash Bank, a regional rural bank of West Bengal recently notified vacancies for office assistance post of which overall 6 seats are reserved for PWD, but all these seats were reserved for OC category only. I filed a complaint with CCPD and had a conversation with Mr. Chief Commissioner, who assured me that his office will issue a direction to the bank for following the due reservation system thereby including VI and other categories to participate in the recruitment process. Now, I am apprehensive whether the proposed national commissions for persons with disabilities will be having such power to direct any employer to secure the seats for Visually Impaired? Another example of blatant discrimination with 100% blindness is the denial of Allahabad Bank in its last clerical recruitment where even after securing allotment from IBPS 100% blind are outrightly rejected from giving them job, saying that which law says that blindness means 100% blindness? We do not have any work for 100% blind. However, low vision candidates are selected by same bank in same recruitment. Completely unnerved by this unashamed discrimination, one of 100% blind candidates approached to CCPD with the hope of getting justice. Will this new bill eliminate any such possibility of hidden or barefaced discrimination with full blind or open new windows to rampant such discriminations? I think that it's high time for entire VI Community to standby with legitimate demands and should not compromise with few pieces of cheese which is being offered to lure us and silent our mouth. On 2/3/14, Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Finally, I couldn't refrain myself from keeping my point of view. I fully agree with Avinash and Ajay. In a system like our's, it is next to impossible to seek an amendment in near future. Even a lot of laws related to business and political interest take a grater amount of time to get amended then disability is not an exception. My best wishes to all those who are fighting on the roads and in dharnas to make themselves audable to the system. It is so easy for us to sit in frunt of a fancy computer and write an email but almost impossible to join them for this nobel cause. Being in a situation of low vision as well as blind, I have seen how blind are discriminated on various occasions. Though everybuddy has a fundamental right to keep his/ her point of view but It is necessary to keep a singal openion for the benefit of a larger community. We shouldn't forget that after elections, the situation will be worst. In the end, My best wishes will always with those people who are striving hard to get the things done. Thanks and regards. On 2/3/14, Ajay Arora ajayaror...@gmail.com wrote: Another point that I would like to bring to your attention is that chapter 2 of the proposed act: RIGHTS AND ENTITLEMENTS says that persons with disabilities will not be discriminated unless the discrimination is for the legitimate end. Now legitimate end can be anything. The government can say that employing persons with blindness may endanger the security of the passengers in railway, therefore, we cannot appoint them in railways as it is a legitimate end. Similarly, government can argue that hearing impaired cannot be given driving license, because they may cause problem to the public order. Guys there can be thousands of legitimate ends for the government that we cannot even think of at this point of time. On 2/3/14, Ajay Arora ajayaror...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, On amendment, I would just say that copyright bill was passed in late 1950s and it took us sixty long years to seek even one amendment for disableds that too after many right to read campaigns in many parts of the country. Even kanchan mam was personally involved in many of those campaigns. Therefore, the idea of having amendments later, does not seem to be well placed to me. Let me give few examples of how this bill should not be passed: 1. the proposed national commissions for persons with disabilities cannot give directions, whereas ccpd could. It can only give recommendations. 2. the definition for low vision and totally blind is very complocated and vague. it says that for totally blind the upper limit of having the benefit of reservation will be 6by 60. which means anybody who can see things upto six metres will be counted in totally blind category. And anybody who can see upto two metre and beyond will come under low vision. Now this beyond can be anything, it can be 8 metres or 16 metres. Now please understand that all those who can see upto six metres will be preferred in the category of totally blind, because they can see and still they will be considered as totally blind. Whereas, those who are really hundred percent blind will be
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well i don't understand disability much as i am new in the field. but i found all issues of avinash logical. they say durghatna se der bhali hai. thanks... On 2/3/14, Himanshu Sahu sahu.himanshu2...@gmail.com wrote: Friends, I am mentioning here few recent examples of blatant discrimination with blind people and specially 100% blind. Bangiya Gramin Vikash Bank, a regional rural bank of West Bengal recently notified vacancies for office assistance post of which overall 6 seats are reserved for PWD, but all these seats were reserved for OC category only. I filed a complaint with CCPD and had a conversation with Mr. Chief Commissioner, who assured me that his office will issue a direction to the bank for following the due reservation system thereby including VI and other categories to participate in the recruitment process. Now, I am apprehensive whether the proposed national commissions for persons with disabilities will be having such power to direct any employer to secure the seats for Visually Impaired? Another example of blatant discrimination with 100% blindness is the denial of Allahabad Bank in its last clerical recruitment where even after securing allotment from IBPS 100% blind are outrightly rejected from giving them job, saying that which law says that blindness means 100% blindness? We do not have any work for 100% blind. However, low vision candidates are selected by same bank in same recruitment. Completely unnerved by this unashamed discrimination, one of 100% blind candidates approached to CCPD with the hope of getting justice. Will this new bill eliminate any such possibility of hidden or barefaced discrimination with full blind or open new windows to rampant such discriminations? I think that it's high time for entire VI Community to standby with legitimate demands and should not compromise with few pieces of cheese which is being offered to lure us and silent our mouth. On 2/3/14, Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Finally, I couldn't refrain myself from keeping my point of view. I fully agree with Avinash and Ajay. In a system like our's, it is next to impossible to seek an amendment in near future. Even a lot of laws related to business and political interest take a grater amount of time to get amended then disability is not an exception. My best wishes to all those who are fighting on the roads and in dharnas to make themselves audable to the system. It is so easy for us to sit in frunt of a fancy computer and write an email but almost impossible to join them for this nobel cause. Being in a situation of low vision as well as blind, I have seen how blind are discriminated on various occasions. Though everybuddy has a fundamental right to keep his/ her point of view but It is necessary to keep a singal openion for the benefit of a larger community. We shouldn't forget that after elections, the situation will be worst. In the end, My best wishes will always with those people who are striving hard to get the things done. Thanks and regards. On 2/3/14, Ajay Arora ajayaror...@gmail.com wrote: Another point that I would like to bring to your attention is that chapter 2 of the proposed act: RIGHTS AND ENTITLEMENTS says that persons with disabilities will not be discriminated unless the discrimination is for the legitimate end. Now legitimate end can be anything. The government can say that employing persons with blindness may endanger the security of the passengers in railway, therefore, we cannot appoint them in railways as it is a legitimate end. Similarly, government can argue that hearing impaired cannot be given driving license, because they may cause problem to the public order. Guys there can be thousands of legitimate ends for the government that we cannot even think of at this point of time. On 2/3/14, Ajay Arora ajayaror...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, On amendment, I would just say that copyright bill was passed in late 1950s and it took us sixty long years to seek even one amendment for disableds that too after many right to read campaigns in many parts of the country. Even kanchan mam was personally involved in many of those campaigns. Therefore, the idea of having amendments later, does not seem to be well placed to me. Let me give few examples of how this bill should not be passed: 1. the proposed national commissions for persons with disabilities cannot give directions, whereas ccpd could. It can only give recommendations. 2. the definition for low vision and totally blind is very complocated and vague. it says that for totally blind the upper limit of having the benefit of reservation will be 6by 60. which means anybody who can see things upto six metres will be counted in totally blind category. And anybody who can see upto two metre and beyond will come under low vision. Now this beyond can be anything, it can be 8 metres or 16 metres. Now please
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Amendment task is very tuff in future next to imposible. You can make a sence after long 18 years of battle on road then we could force govt for making a new law. Which is half and discreminatary for VI and not acording to as per UNCRPD If this time we could not succeed then we have to wait for 20 years more for amendment. Come on on road today for snaching our rights and fight for justice. Thanks HS Negi - Original Message - From: Ajay Minocha ajayminoc...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Hi all, Finally, I couldn't refrain myself from keeping my point of view. I fully agree with Avinash and Ajay. In a system like our's, it is next to impossible to seek an amendment in near future. Even a lot of laws related to business and political interest take a grater amount of time to get amended then disability is not an exception. My best wishes to all those who are fighting on the roads and in dharnas to make themselves audable to the system. It is so easy for us to sit in frunt of a fancy computer and write an email but almost impossible to join them for this nobel cause. Being in a situation of low vision as well as blind, I have seen how blind are discriminated on various occasions. Though everybuddy has a fundamental right to keep his/ her point of view but It is necessary to keep a singal openion for the benefit of a larger community. We shouldn't forget that after elections, the situation will be worst. In the end, My best wishes will always with those people who are striving hard to get the things done. Thanks and regards. On 2/3/14, Ajay Arora ajayaror...@gmail.com wrote: Another point that I would like to bring to your attention is that chapter 2 of the proposed act: RIGHTS AND ENTITLEMENTS says that persons with disabilities will not be discriminated unless the discrimination is for the legitimate end. Now legitimate end can be anything. The government can say that employing persons with blindness may endanger the security of the passengers in railway, therefore, we cannot appoint them in railways as it is a legitimate end. Similarly, government can argue that hearing impaired cannot be given driving license, because they may cause problem to the public order. Guys there can be thousands of legitimate ends for the government that we cannot even think of at this point of time. On 2/3/14, Ajay Arora ajayaror...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, On amendment, I would just say that copyright bill was passed in late 1950s and it took us sixty long years to seek even one amendment for disableds that too after many right to read campaigns in many parts of the country. Even kanchan mam was personally involved in many of those campaigns. Therefore, the idea of having amendments later, does not seem to be well placed to me. Let me give few examples of how this bill should not be passed: 1. the proposed national commissions for persons with disabilities cannot give directions, whereas ccpd could. It can only give recommendations. 2. the definition for low vision and totally blind is very complocated and vague. it says that for totally blind the upper limit of having the benefit of reservation will be 6by 60. which means anybody who can see things upto six metres will be counted in totally blind category. And anybody who can see upto two metre and beyond will come under low vision. Now this beyond can be anything, it can be 8 metres or 16 metres. Now please understand that all those who can see upto six metres will be preferred in the category of totally blind, because they can see and still they will be considered as totally blind. Whereas, those who are really hundred percent blind will be marginalized by the employers. I'm sure that even kanchan mam would not want this bill to be passed in its present form. she also would want it to be sent to the standing committee. with regards Ajay -- Ajay Arora phd research scholar Centre for the Study of Law and Governance JNU Nelson Mandela Marg New Delhi India Contact Mobile +91-8826360111. email: ajayaror...@gmail.com Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Yes Ajay, I am also the same view. We are the victim specially totally VI. Thanks HS Negi - Original Message - From: Ajay Arora ajayaror...@gmail.com To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Another point that I would like to bring to your attention is that chapter 2 of the proposed act: RIGHTS AND ENTITLEMENTS says that persons with disabilities will not be discriminated unless the discrimination is for the legitimate end. Now legitimate end can be anything. The government can say that employing persons with blindness may endanger the security of the passengers in railway, therefore, we cannot appoint them in railways as it is a legitimate end. Similarly, government can argue that hearing impaired cannot be given driving license, because they may cause problem to the public order. Guys there can be thousands of legitimate ends for the government that we cannot even think of at this point of time. On 2/3/14, Ajay Arora ajayaror...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, On amendment, I would just say that copyright bill was passed in late 1950s and it took us sixty long years to seek even one amendment for disableds that too after many right to read campaigns in many parts of the country. Even kanchan mam was personally involved in many of those campaigns. Therefore, the idea of having amendments later, does not seem to be well placed to me. Let me give few examples of how this bill should not be passed: 1. the proposed national commissions for persons with disabilities cannot give directions, whereas ccpd could. It can only give recommendations. 2. the definition for low vision and totally blind is very complocated and vague. it says that for totally blind the upper limit of having the benefit of reservation will be 6by 60. which means anybody who can see things upto six metres will be counted in totally blind category. And anybody who can see upto two metre and beyond will come under low vision. Now this beyond can be anything, it can be 8 metres or 16 metres. Now please understand that all those who can see upto six metres will be preferred in the category of totally blind, because they can see and still they will be considered as totally blind. Whereas, those who are really hundred percent blind will be marginalized by the employers. I'm sure that even kanchan mam would not want this bill to be passed in its present form. she also would want it to be sent to the standing committee. with regards Ajay -- Ajay Arora phd research scholar Centre for the Study of Law and Governance JNU Nelson Mandela Marg New Delhi India Contact Mobile +91-8826360111. email: ajayaror...@gmail.com Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Time to meet up again! Register for AccessIndia Convention 2014: http://accessindia.org.in/harish/convention.htm Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Endorse what shireen has said... If we have waited for four years after committee formation, let us wait for one more and get the tings done now itself... -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shireen Irani Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 11:09 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow wouldn't that be more difficult?? just asking. because once u have things on paper, things can be very difficult to change. and then most of the officials involved will probably wash their hands off us claiming that we are only creating mennace. while it is true, that waiting for another 5 years is not a good idea, there's no harm in going on pushing till the endth hour. if things cant change, then the bill can be passed as is. my other worry is that they might turn around and say that all this should have been thought of, while making the bill itself. its probably not very smart to pass the bill, and then immediately fight for amendments. of course experts will know better, this is just of the top of my head. On 2/2/14, li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org wrote: Avinash. One thought: can we not get this bill passed and then push for amendment? I saw someone on this list asking Mr. Abidi that why did he not see the bill before putting efforts to get the bill tabled? I think it's also responsibility of everyone. Why did author of that email brought up the issues before? I agree with Kanchan that current drafted bill is better than the existing one. Yes, there are issues but friends, do you think if we miss this session, do we get the law soon? I sincerely feel we should now get it passed and then put in strong efforts to get the amendments. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 22:17, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind and come and join our protest tomorrow against the proposed blac law for persons with disabilities and against not fulfilling six lakhs post which are lying vacant in various departments and ministries of Central Government despite Supreme Court's landmark judgment on October 8 2013 after the long fight faught by NFB's General Secretary Scenior Advocate SK Rungta. If we are not able to unite this time future seems very bleak for all of us. Do come for yourselves do come for ensuring better future to our future generations. male/female/transgenders friends from DU, JNU, and those who are employed please take leave for this serious cause. and circulate among your networks. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
The previous bill was placed before the parliament on March 13, 1996 perhaps. It was the last day of the session with the Lok-Sabha election close around. This time the situation is almost the same. I am afraid, the MPs will give it a serious thought. Who cares for the disabled? We are spread all over the parlimentary constituencies. We can't influence the vote to any extent. With best Regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: +91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Endorse what shireen has said... If we have waited for four years after committee formation, let us wait for one more and get the tings done now itself... -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shireen Irani Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 11:09 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow wouldn't that be more difficult?? just asking. because once u have things on paper, things can be very difficult to change. and then most of the officials involved will probably wash their hands off us claiming that we are only creating mennace. while it is true, that waiting for another 5 years is not a good idea, there's no harm in going on pushing till the endth hour. if things cant change, then the bill can be passed as is. my other worry is that they might turn around and say that all this should have been thought of, while making the bill itself. its probably not very smart to pass the bill, and then immediately fight for amendments. of course experts will know better, this is just of the top of my head. On 2/2/14, li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org wrote: Avinash. One thought: can we not get this bill passed and then push for amendment? I saw someone on this list asking Mr. Abidi that why did he not see the bill before putting efforts to get the bill tabled? I think it's also responsibility of everyone. Why did author of that email brought up the issues before? I agree with Kanchan that current drafted bill is better than the existing one. Yes, there are issues but friends, do you think if we miss this session, do we get the law soon? I sincerely feel we should now get it passed and then put in strong efforts to get the amendments. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 22:17, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: 02 February 2014 18:56 To: jnuvision; accessindia; sayeverything Subject: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Dear Friends Venue: Official House of Minister in charge DOPT at Tuglaq Lane Date: 3/2/2014 Timing: 10:00 The next 3 days are very crucial for all of us, persons with disabilities and those who are associated with the persons with disabilities. Please make up your mind
Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow
Yes, Ameyo da... Let it be another charity doled out by MPs to the disabled lot, or at least it is what they think, me thinks... -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amiyo Biswas Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 11:30 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow The previous bill was placed before the parliament on March 13, 1996 perhaps. It was the last day of the session with the Lok-Sabha election close around. This time the situation is almost the same. I am afraid, the MPs will give it a serious thought. Who cares for the disabled? We are spread all over the parlimentary constituencies. We can't influence the vote to any extent. With best Regards, Amiyo Biswas Cell: +91-9433464329 - Original Message - From: Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow Endorse what shireen has said... If we have waited for four years after committee formation, let us wait for one more and get the tings done now itself... -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Shireen Irani Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 11:09 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Do join: Protest at the Official residence of DOPT Minister, V. Narayanaswamy tomorrow wouldn't that be more difficult?? just asking. because once u have things on paper, things can be very difficult to change. and then most of the officials involved will probably wash their hands off us claiming that we are only creating mennace. while it is true, that waiting for another 5 years is not a good idea, there's no harm in going on pushing till the endth hour. if things cant change, then the bill can be passed as is. my other worry is that they might turn around and say that all this should have been thought of, while making the bill itself. its probably not very smart to pass the bill, and then immediately fight for amendments. of course experts will know better, this is just of the top of my head. On 2/2/14, li...@srinivasu.org li...@srinivasu.org wrote: Avinash. One thought: can we not get this bill passed and then push for amendment? I saw someone on this list asking Mr. Abidi that why did he not see the bill before putting efforts to get the bill tabled? I think it's also responsibility of everyone. Why did author of that email brought up the issues before? I agree with Kanchan that current drafted bill is better than the existing one. Yes, there are issues but friends, do you think if we miss this session, do we get the law soon? I sincerely feel we should now get it passed and then put in strong efforts to get the amendments. Best regards, Srinivasu Chakravarthula Mobile: +91 990 081 0881 Website: http://www.srinivasu.org |http://sgaccessibility.com Follow me on Twitter:http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu Sr. Accessibility Lead at PayPal Founder at Sai Gagan Accessibility Solutions Hon. Joint Secretary at The National Association for the Blind, Karnataka Branch http://about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPhone 4S On 02-Feb-2014, at 22:17, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Its not eutopia mam. India have pledged to bring in its domestic law in conformity with the UNCRPD and this approved law has violated many of UNCRPD's fundamental principles. Better we mend this law within the time otherwise we have struggled enough to see implementation of PWD and this bill if gets passed in its current form, we particuarly blind will be the biggest loser. On 2/2/14, KanchanPamnani kanchanpamn...@gmail.com wrote: Avinash and others, This is not a black law. It is not the best law that we can get but it is not black as you paint it. Please understand that this law is better than we have to some extent and with the non-negotiables on the table it is better than we can imagine. Yes we wanted more and yes we were sure we would get more but I don't think we will get more if we wait another 5 years. The reality is that if we miss this session of Parliament then we will have to wait for another government, another minister, another committee but the same set of disabled and Disability leaders and the same bureaucracy and the same kind of Legislature. We did quite a lot with our old PWD and we can do a lot with the current draft along with the non-negotiables. Should we not strive for better or should we only look for utopia? Kanchan -Original Message
