Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[li...@srinivasu.org]

I completely agree. 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
Sent from my iPhone 5C

> On 07-Oct-2015, at 13:07, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The incidence narrated was sad indeed and railways could be more
> responsible in the matter.  The Rs. 500 fine is not a deterrent as  TC
> mostly never boards the coach.  But should we not have ourselves to
> blame as well?
> 
> Many of our friends (especially in Mumbai) don't purchase tickets.
> Also, when it suits us we tell nondisabled to travel in the coach
> (more than one person) which is not allowed.  So before we do anything
> else, let us clean our house.
> 
> With best wishes,
> 
> Ketan
> 
>> On 10/5/15, Zoher  wrote:
>> Hi Friends,
>> 
>> Yesterday a very bad incidence took place with me and my wife who is also
>> blind, in disabled coach of Pune Mumbai intercity express.
>> 
>> I and my wife boarded in the train from Pune, the coach was located near the
>> engine. After our occupying the seats many nondisabled peoples boarded in
>> the same compartment. Most of them were ladies. I messaged to the number
>> provided in this mailing list, the matter of Message is "Please vacate the
>> disabled coach of 12128 Pune Mumbai intercity exp as nondisabled people are
>> traveling". On Lonavala station a Police Man vacated the coach but 1 lady
>> was not ready to shift and the police told me I am helpless as I don't have
>> a lady constable with me. When train started the lady started abusing me and
>> told I will file a falls complain against you, that you tried to touch me
>> and intended to through me out of train. I did not reacted to the same as I
>> did not wanted to escalate the matter. After some time she captured some
>> photograph of me which I could not noticed due to my blindness. She was
>> saying hir relative is a police inspector and I will see you.
>> 
>> She was suppose to get down at Thane station but she did not got down and
>> she got down at Dadar. While getting down She again abused me and my wife,
>> she again came back with 1 man and he threatened me that come out I will
>> show you what are the consequences of complaining. Then he said I will show
>> you the law. And the train started. Then the remaining passengers told me
>> that she was looking very angry on you and you should not have done this
>> complain. You should have tolerance and questioned me, there are still many
>> nondisabled peoples are present in this bogy why don't you get them down? I
>> answered how I will come to know who is disabled and who is not? If I clean
>> a part of dirt then it is not my responsibility to clean all dirt. They only
>> told me that she has taken your photographs.
>> 
>> The lady who was preaching me not to complain was herself nondisabled.
>> 
>> Please give me your input regarding this matter. Was I wrong to give the
>> complain? Should I take threat seriously given by that lady and man?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[avinash shahi]

Last noon, I was discussing your case with my friends over the lunch.
One of them shared his enlightening experience which is worth-sharing
with the list. While travelling once from Dehradun he sensed majority
of passangers in the boggy were non-disabled ant didn't self-volunteer
to get down, he made noice alleging that his purse got stolen. The
GRP/RPF troops came inside and wielded lathis to disperse the
non-disabled from the boggy. Lets be innovative while dealing with
such problem.





On 10/7/15, Zoher <zos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have following questions.
> 1. who is aligible to travel in handicaped coach of train?
> 2. the rools to travel in hp coach of local and long distence train are
> same?
> 3. cenior citizens and pregnant ladies are allowed to travel in this coach?
> 4. can some 1 on the list provide the rool or cercular regarding the
> traveling in hp coach, as I could not find the same after googling it.
>
> Thanks to you all for giving your input on this issue.
> Bhaavya you are right disabled people always shout if nondisabled person
> board in the compartment, In my case there were not many disabled
> passengers. I can say this thing because when police come in the compartment
>
> nobody was there to support me.
> The police man should not have asked who have given the complain and should
>
> not ask for ticket number.
> The police should alsow have lady constable.
> Most of the time Passenger get down after the police comes but the daly
> commuters are very resistive.
> Only getting them down will not solve the problem but they should be
> peenalised by police. I asked the police but he replied I dont have that
> authority.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah...@gmail.com>
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways
>
>
>> Hi,
>> Such incidents of non-disabled people boarding the compartment for
>> PWDs is very frequent in my case. Recently, I have had to travel by
>> train often for certain classes from Bombay Central to Vile Parle.
>> Below are some of my personal observations and remarks:
>> * Non-disabled ladies are more likely to be the travellers in our
>> compartment than on-disabled men.
>> * Visually impaired people almost always become aware because senior
>> citizens and people with physical disabilities, for instance, do
>> almost always protest agains this and ask non-disabled passengers to
>> leave, by shouting in chorus 'Handicapped ka dabba hain' and similar
>> phrases. Their protests enlighten us about the boarding of
>> non-disabled people and visually impaired travellers too begin to
>> protest.
>> * Although the quantity and frequency of non-disabled people
>> continuously boarding the compartment of PWDs does sadden me, I am
>> often gladdened to observe that there are always protesters who
>> instruct and often fight (advocate rather) for their illegal boarding
>> and the nuisance they were creating. 'Fighting for rights' is very
>> well demonstrated by persons with different disabilities unitedly in
>> the many incidents I have witnessed.
>> Narrating some noteworthy incidents belo:
>> * Once, a non-disabled lady with her child (young the child was, but
>> not an infant) casually boarded the PWDS compartment. People (senior
>> citizens, my mother and a visually impaired person) asked her to
>> leave. She continuously argued that she had often travelled in the
>> PWDs department with her child without being censured, she had a young
>> child to travel with and she was unaware of any rule that disallowed
>> non-disabled people from boarding PWDS compartment. Despite her vague
>> arguments, legal protesters of the compartment patiently explained to
>> her, asked her to quickly move to the Ladies compartment at the next
>> station, explained her the eligibility criteria to board the PWDS
>> department, asked her to call the railways office to clarify the same
>> etc., yet, she persisted and remained in the compartment refusing to
>> leave. The incident finally concluded with an officer arriving at the
>> next station and us passing her to clarify her doubts about the same
>> with the officer, resulting in her departure from our PWDS
>> compartment, for good.
>> * Once, with a minorly disabled lady, an unreasonably large group of
>> ladies boarded the PWDS compartment, 6 or more ladies in all, till I
>> recall. Everyone in the compartment asked the group to leave because
>> such a lar

Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[Ketan Kothari]

Hi,

The incidence narrated was sad indeed and railways could be more
responsible in the matter.  The Rs. 500 fine is not a deterrent as  TC
mostly never boards the coach.  But should we not have ourselves to
blame as well?

Many of our friends (especially in Mumbai) don't purchase tickets.
Also, when it suits us we tell nondisabled to travel in the coach
(more than one person) which is not allowed.  So before we do anything
else, let us clean our house.

With best wishes,

Ketan

On 10/5/15, Zoher  wrote:
> Hi Friends,
>
> Yesterday a very bad incidence took place with me and my wife who is also
> blind, in disabled coach of Pune Mumbai intercity express.
>
> I and my wife boarded in the train from Pune, the coach was located near the
> engine. After our occupying the seats many nondisabled peoples boarded in
> the same compartment. Most of them were ladies. I messaged to the number
> provided in this mailing list, the matter of Message is "Please vacate the
> disabled coach of 12128 Pune Mumbai intercity exp as nondisabled people are
> traveling". On Lonavala station a Police Man vacated the coach but 1 lady
> was not ready to shift and the police told me I am helpless as I don't have
> a lady constable with me. When train started the lady started abusing me and
> told I will file a falls complain against you, that you tried to touch me
> and intended to through me out of train. I did not reacted to the same as I
> did not wanted to escalate the matter. After some time she captured some
> photograph of me which I could not noticed due to my blindness. She was
> saying hir relative is a police inspector and I will see you.
>
> She was suppose to get down at Thane station but she did not got down and
> she got down at Dadar. While getting down She again abused me and my wife,
> she again came back with 1 man and he threatened me that come out I will
> show you what are the consequences of complaining. Then he said I will show
> you the law. And the train started. Then the remaining passengers told me
> that she was looking very angry on you and you should not have done this
> complain. You should have tolerance and questioned me, there are still many
> nondisabled peoples are present in this bogy why don't you get them down? I
> answered how I will come to know who is disabled and who is not? If I clean
> a part of dirt then it is not my responsibility to clean all dirt. They only
> told me that she has taken your photographs.
>
> The lady who was preaching me not to complain was herself nondisabled.
>
> Please give me your input regarding this matter. Was I wrong to give the
> complain? Should I take threat seriously given by that lady and man?
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[Zoher]

Dear Avinash,
If I complain of robery then I have to file FIR and describe what was there 
in the purse, We cannot guaranty that the RPF will vacate the coach. they 
might be just concerned with the stealing and not vacating the coach.
- Original Message - 
From: "avinash shahi" <shahi88avin...@gmail.com>
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>

Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways



Last noon, I was discussing your case with my friends over the lunch.
One of them shared his enlightening experience which is worth-sharing
with the list. While travelling once from Dehradun he sensed majority
of passangers in the boggy were non-disabled ant didn't self-volunteer
to get down, he made noice alleging that his purse got stolen. The
GRP/RPF troops came inside and wielded lathis to disperse the
non-disabled from the boggy. Lets be innovative while dealing with
such problem.





On 10/7/15, Zoher <zos...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have following questions.
1. who is aligible to travel in handicaped coach of train?
2. the rools to travel in hp coach of local and long distence train are
same?
3. cenior citizens and pregnant ladies are allowed to travel in this 
coach?

4. can some 1 on the list provide the rool or cercular regarding the
traveling in hp coach, as I could not find the same after googling it.

Thanks to you all for giving your input on this issue.
Bhaavya you are right disabled people always shout if nondisabled person
board in the compartment, In my case there were not many disabled
passengers. I can say this thing because when police come in the 
compartment


nobody was there to support me.
The police man should not have asked who have given the complain and 
should


not ask for ticket number.
The police should alsow have lady constable.
Most of the time Passenger get down after the police comes but the daly
commuters are very resistive.
Only getting them down will not solve the problem but they should be
peenalised by police. I asked the police but he replied I dont have that
authority.
- Original Message -
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah...@gmail.com>
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways



Hi,
Such incidents of non-disabled people boarding the compartment for
PWDs is very frequent in my case. Recently, I have had to travel by
train often for certain classes from Bombay Central to Vile Parle.
Below are some of my personal observations and remarks:
* Non-disabled ladies are more likely to be the travellers in our
compartment than on-disabled men.
* Visually impaired people almost always become aware because senior
citizens and people with physical disabilities, for instance, do
almost always protest agains this and ask non-disabled passengers to
leave, by shouting in chorus 'Handicapped ka dabba hain' and similar
phrases. Their protests enlighten us about the boarding of
non-disabled people and visually impaired travellers too begin to
protest.
* Although the quantity and frequency of non-disabled people
continuously boarding the compartment of PWDs does sadden me, I am
often gladdened to observe that there are always protesters who
instruct and often fight (advocate rather) for their illegal boarding
and the nuisance they were creating. 'Fighting for rights' is very
well demonstrated by persons with different disabilities unitedly in
the many incidents I have witnessed.
Narrating some noteworthy incidents belo:
* Once, a non-disabled lady with her child (young the child was, but
not an infant) casually boarded the PWDS compartment. People (senior
citizens, my mother and a visually impaired person) asked her to
leave. She continuously argued that she had often travelled in the
PWDs department with her child without being censured, she had a young
child to travel with and she was unaware of any rule that disallowed
non-disabled people from boarding PWDS compartment. Despite her vague
arguments, legal protesters of the compartment patiently explained to
her, asked her to quickly move to the Ladies compartment at the next
station, explained her the eligibility criteria to board the PWDS
department, asked her to call the railways office to clarify the same
etc., yet, she persisted and remained in the compartment refusing to
leave. The incident finally concluded with an officer arriving at the
next station and us passing her to clarify her doubts about the same
with the officer, resulting in her departure from our PWDS
compartment, for good.
* Once, with a minorly disabled lady, an unreasonably large group of
ladies boarded the PWDS compartment, 6 or more ladies in all, till I
recall. Everyone in the comp

Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[Zoher]

I have following questions.
1. who is aligible to travel in handicaped coach of train?
2. the rools to travel in hp coach of local and long distence train are 
same?

3. cenior citizens and pregnant ladies are allowed to travel in this coach?
4. can some 1 on the list provide the rool or cercular regarding the 
traveling in hp coach, as I could not find the same after googling it.


Thanks to you all for giving your input on this issue.
Bhaavya you are right disabled people always shout if nondisabled person 
board in the compartment, In my case there were not many disabled 
passengers. I can say this thing because when police come in the compartment 
nobody was there to support me.
The police man should not have asked who have given the complain and should 
not ask for ticket number.

The police should alsow have lady constable.
Most of the time Passenger get down after the police comes but the daly 
commuters are very resistive.
Only getting them down will not solve the problem but they should be 
peenalised by police. I asked the police but he replied I dont have that 
authority.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah...@gmail.com>
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>

Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways



Hi,
Such incidents of non-disabled people boarding the compartment for
PWDs is very frequent in my case. Recently, I have had to travel by
train often for certain classes from Bombay Central to Vile Parle.
Below are some of my personal observations and remarks:
* Non-disabled ladies are more likely to be the travellers in our
compartment than on-disabled men.
* Visually impaired people almost always become aware because senior
citizens and people with physical disabilities, for instance, do
almost always protest agains this and ask non-disabled passengers to
leave, by shouting in chorus 'Handicapped ka dabba hain' and similar
phrases. Their protests enlighten us about the boarding of
non-disabled people and visually impaired travellers too begin to
protest.
* Although the quantity and frequency of non-disabled people
continuously boarding the compartment of PWDs does sadden me, I am
often gladdened to observe that there are always protesters who
instruct and often fight (advocate rather) for their illegal boarding
and the nuisance they were creating. 'Fighting for rights' is very
well demonstrated by persons with different disabilities unitedly in
the many incidents I have witnessed.
Narrating some noteworthy incidents belo:
* Once, a non-disabled lady with her child (young the child was, but
not an infant) casually boarded the PWDS compartment. People (senior
citizens, my mother and a visually impaired person) asked her to
leave. She continuously argued that she had often travelled in the
PWDs department with her child without being censured, she had a young
child to travel with and she was unaware of any rule that disallowed
non-disabled people from boarding PWDS compartment. Despite her vague
arguments, legal protesters of the compartment patiently explained to
her, asked her to quickly move to the Ladies compartment at the next
station, explained her the eligibility criteria to board the PWDS
department, asked her to call the railways office to clarify the same
etc., yet, she persisted and remained in the compartment refusing to
leave. The incident finally concluded with an officer arriving at the
next station and us passing her to clarify her doubts about the same
with the officer, resulting in her departure from our PWDS
compartment, for good.
* Once, with a minorly disabled lady, an unreasonably large group of
ladies boarded the PWDS compartment, 6 or more ladies in all, till I
recall. Everyone in the compartment asked the group to leave because
such a large group of escorts for one single disabled lady was not
permitted. A visually impaired man, who was incidentally standing
nearby, became aware of this right and rule violation and continued
the argument. One of the ladies in the group began shouting, and
subsequently abusing, to which the visually impaired man reciprocated
in the same language as well. Conclusively, the group had to depart
due to the excess amount of people in their opposition and due to the
heat ignited in the argument.
* In general, often groups of ladies or girls, school and college
students and other individuals, often simply illegally board the PWDS
department anticipating that their arrival will not be unwelcome.
Either they come with an argument prepared or with an intention to
retaliate back if they are censured, or simply take a chance to see if
they will be permitted to travel in the PWDs compartment.
* I didn't listen too carefully, but, a few days ago, on the Mumbai
railways, there was an announcement going on emphasizing that
non-disabled people were not

Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[Surya Prakash Sharma]

Hi,
if someone breaks the law, should police wait for someone to register
a complaint?

On 10/7/15, li...@srinivasu.org  wrote:
> I completely agree.
>
> Regards,
> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>
>> On 07-Oct-2015, at 13:07, Ketan Kothari  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The incidence narrated was sad indeed and railways could be more
>> responsible in the matter.  The Rs. 500 fine is not a deterrent as  TC
>> mostly never boards the coach.  But should we not have ourselves to
>> blame as well?
>>
>> Many of our friends (especially in Mumbai) don't purchase tickets.
>> Also, when it suits us we tell nondisabled to travel in the coach
>> (more than one person) which is not allowed.  So before we do anything
>> else, let us clean our house.
>>
>> With best wishes,
>>
>> Ketan
>>
>>> On 10/5/15, Zoher  wrote:
>>> Hi Friends,
>>>
>>> Yesterday a very bad incidence took place with me and my wife who is
>>> also
>>> blind, in disabled coach of Pune Mumbai intercity express.
>>>
>>> I and my wife boarded in the train from Pune, the coach was located near
>>> the
>>> engine. After our occupying the seats many nondisabled peoples boarded
>>> in
>>> the same compartment. Most of them were ladies. I messaged to the number
>>> provided in this mailing list, the matter of Message is "Please vacate
>>> the
>>> disabled coach of 12128 Pune Mumbai intercity exp as nondisabled people
>>> are
>>> traveling". On Lonavala station a Police Man vacated the coach but 1
>>> lady
>>> was not ready to shift and the police told me I am helpless as I don't
>>> have
>>> a lady constable with me. When train started the lady started abusing me
>>> and
>>> told I will file a falls complain against you, that you tried to touch
>>> me
>>> and intended to through me out of train. I did not reacted to the same as
>>> I
>>> did not wanted to escalate the matter. After some time she captured some
>>> photograph of me which I could not noticed due to my blindness. She was
>>> saying hir relative is a police inspector and I will see you.
>>>
>>> She was suppose to get down at Thane station but she did not got down
>>> and
>>> she got down at Dadar. While getting down She again abused me and my
>>> wife,
>>> she again came back with 1 man and he threatened me that come out I will
>>> show you what are the consequences of complaining. Then he said I will
>>> show
>>> you the law. And the train started. Then the remaining passengers told
>>> me
>>> that she was looking very angry on you and you should not have done this
>>> complain. You should have tolerance and questioned me, there are still
>>> many
>>> nondisabled peoples are present in this bogy why don't you get them down?
>>> I
>>> answered how I will come to know who is disabled and who is not? If I
>>> clean
>>> a part of dirt then it is not my responsibility to clean all dirt. They
>>> only
>>> told me that she has taken your photographs.
>>>
>>> The lady who was preaching me not to complain was herself nondisabled.
>>>
>>> Please give me your input regarding this matter. Was I wrong to give the
>>> complain? Should I take threat seriously given by that lady and man?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility
>>> of
>>> mobile phones / Tabs on:
>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in
>>>
>>>
>>> Search for old postings at:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/
>>>
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>>> please
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>>>
>>> Disclaimer:
>>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of
>>> the
>>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity;
>>>
>>> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the
>>> mails
>>> sent through this mailing list..
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ketan Kothari
>> Phone: [r] 24223281,
>> Cell: 9987550614
>> MSN ID: muktake...@hotmail.com
>> Skype ID: Ketan
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[Rohiet A. Patil]

Point to be noted sir! Smile!
But unfortunately, it's a fact in our country that disable people will not 
get heard unless they make a cry.


-Original Message- 
From: sampath raj rao

Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 8:24 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

If that's the case, will the cops wait till some passenger in the
first class boggy launches a complaint against a passenger with third
class ticket? then why should cops wait till a disabled passenger
complaints against a non-disabled in a disable compartment???
Can't they stop their entry as they restrict in the boggies of first
class and Ladies's ???
I haven't experienced such issues but have heard such cases before to...



On 10/6/15, Rohiet A. Patil <patil_ro...@dataone.in> wrote:

Hi!
The suggestion does not seems practical. Because, when the police will try
to vacate the coatch, at that time other passengers may ask them if there 
is


no complaint from anyone then what is the problem?

-Original Message-
From: Surya Prakash Sharma
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 8:49 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerningthe disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

Hi,
i've a suggestion in this regard to avoid direct confrontation with
the non-disabled passengers boarding in the coatch reserved for PWDs.
we should request the railways that in such cases when the railway
police acting on such complaints must not reveal that there was a
complaint from the coatch. they should pretend as if they were acting
suo moto.

On 10/5/15, vivek doddamani <vivekka...@gmail.com> wrote:

Friend, do not worry keep the message what you have sent to Indian
railways, the second thing is why did that lady get into disabled
coach, in this case what you have to do is switch recording button in
your mobile record whatever she is abusing you, do not worry nothing
will happen, empty vessals make more noise.

On 10/5/15, Amar Jain <amarjain2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Boss,

No wrong in giving complaint. If police inspector at all calls you,
first ask him for a copy of the complaint. Secondly, save that message
for some duration so that you can show that this is what you had done
and what is now happening is the consequence of your good deed.

One of the point to be carefully looked at in the complaint is the
time of incident which that lady reports. If it is after your
complaint, then god saves her wisdom. And ideally that lady shouldn't
have travelled at all in the disabled coach!

Next time, take a video yourself keeping the phone in the direction of
such person hoping that somehow we are able to capture the face
itself!

And no point taking it seriously right now, because you will only
bother yourself. But this is a stupid kind of reality I am seeing.

Regards,
--
Amar Jain.
Website: www.amarjain.com



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Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[Rohiet A. Patil]

Hi!
The suggestion does not seems practical. Because, when the police will try 
to vacate the coatch, at that time other passengers may ask them if there is 
no complaint from anyone then what is the problem?


-Original Message- 
From: Surya Prakash Sharma

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 8:49 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

Hi,
i've a suggestion in this regard to avoid direct confrontation with
the non-disabled passengers boarding in the coatch reserved for PWDs.
we should request the railways that in such cases when the railway
police acting on such complaints must not reveal that there was a
complaint from the coatch. they should pretend as if they were acting
suo moto.

On 10/5/15, vivek doddamani <vivekka...@gmail.com> wrote:

Friend, do not worry keep the message what you have sent to Indian
railways, the second thing is why did that lady get into disabled
coach, in this case what you have to do is switch recording button in
your mobile record whatever she is abusing you, do not worry nothing
will happen, empty vessals make more noise.

On 10/5/15, Amar Jain <amarjain2...@gmail.com> wrote:

Boss,

No wrong in giving complaint. If police inspector at all calls you,
first ask him for a copy of the complaint. Secondly, save that message
for some duration so that you can show that this is what you had done
and what is now happening is the consequence of your good deed.

One of the point to be carefully looked at in the complaint is the
time of incident which that lady reports. If it is after your
complaint, then god saves her wisdom. And ideally that lady shouldn't
have travelled at all in the disabled coach!

Next time, take a video yourself keeping the phone in the direction of
such person hoping that somehow we are able to capture the face
itself!

And no point taking it seriously right now, because you will only
bother yourself. But this is a stupid kind of reality I am seeing.

Regards,
--
Amar Jain.
Website: www.amarjain.com



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Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[sampath raj rao]

If that's the case, will the cops wait till some passenger in the
first class boggy launches a complaint against a passenger with third
class ticket? then why should cops wait till a disabled passenger
complaints against a non-disabled in a disable compartment???
Can't they stop their entry as they restrict in the boggies of first
class and Ladies's ???
I haven't experienced such issues but have heard such cases before to...



On 10/6/15, Rohiet A. Patil <patil_ro...@dataone.in> wrote:
> Hi!
> The suggestion does not seems practical. Because, when the police will try
> to vacate the coatch, at that time other passengers may ask them if there is
>
> no complaint from anyone then what is the problem?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Surya Prakash Sharma
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 8:49 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways
>
> Hi,
> i've a suggestion in this regard to avoid direct confrontation with
> the non-disabled passengers boarding in the coatch reserved for PWDs.
> we should request the railways that in such cases when the railway
> police acting on such complaints must not reveal that there was a
> complaint from the coatch. they should pretend as if they were acting
> suo moto.
>
> On 10/5/15, vivek doddamani <vivekka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Friend, do not worry keep the message what you have sent to Indian
>> railways, the second thing is why did that lady get into disabled
>> coach, in this case what you have to do is switch recording button in
>> your mobile record whatever she is abusing you, do not worry nothing
>> will happen, empty vessals make more noise.
>>
>> On 10/5/15, Amar Jain <amarjain2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Boss,
>>>
>>> No wrong in giving complaint. If police inspector at all calls you,
>>> first ask him for a copy of the complaint. Secondly, save that message
>>> for some duration so that you can show that this is what you had done
>>> and what is now happening is the consequence of your good deed.
>>>
>>> One of the point to be carefully looked at in the complaint is the
>>> time of incident which that lady reports. If it is after your
>>> complaint, then god saves her wisdom. And ideally that lady shouldn't
>>> have travelled at all in the disabled coach!
>>>
>>> Next time, take a video yourself keeping the phone in the direction of
>>> such person hoping that somehow we are able to capture the face
>>> itself!
>>>
>>> And no point taking it seriously right now, because you will only
>>> bother yourself. But this is a stupid kind of reality I am seeing.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --
>>> Amar Jain.
>>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> FB: vivek doddamani.  105, Lancer Road, Near Mall Road, Delhi-110054.
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Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[Bhavya shah]

Hi,
Such incidents of non-disabled people boarding the compartment for
PWDs is very frequent in my case. Recently, I have had to travel by
train often for certain classes from Bombay Central to Vile Parle.
Below are some of my personal observations and remarks:
* Non-disabled ladies are more likely to be the travellers in our
compartment than on-disabled men.
* Visually impaired people almost always become aware because senior
citizens and people with physical disabilities, for instance, do
almost always protest agains this and ask non-disabled passengers to
leave, by shouting in chorus 'Handicapped ka dabba hain' and similar
phrases. Their protests enlighten us about the boarding of
non-disabled people and visually impaired travellers too begin to
protest.
* Although the quantity and frequency of non-disabled people
continuously boarding the compartment of PWDs does sadden me, I am
often gladdened to observe that there are always protesters who
instruct and often fight (advocate rather) for their illegal boarding
and the nuisance they were creating. 'Fighting for rights' is very
well demonstrated by persons with different disabilities unitedly in
the many incidents I have witnessed.
Narrating some noteworthy incidents belo:
* Once, a non-disabled lady with her child (young the child was, but
not an infant) casually boarded the PWDS compartment. People (senior
citizens, my mother and a visually impaired person) asked her to
leave. She continuously argued that she had often travelled in the
PWDs department with her child without being censured, she had a young
child to travel with and she was unaware of any rule that disallowed
non-disabled people from boarding PWDS compartment. Despite her vague
arguments, legal protesters of the compartment patiently explained to
her, asked her to quickly move to the Ladies compartment at the next
station, explained her the eligibility criteria to board the PWDS
department, asked her to call the railways office to clarify the same
etc., yet, she persisted and remained in the compartment refusing to
leave. The incident finally concluded with an officer arriving at the
next station and us passing her to clarify her doubts about the same
with the officer, resulting in her departure from our PWDS
compartment, for good.
* Once, with a minorly disabled lady, an unreasonably large group of
ladies boarded the PWDS compartment, 6 or more ladies in all, till I
recall. Everyone in the compartment asked the group to leave because
such a large group of escorts for one single disabled lady was not
permitted. A visually impaired man, who was incidentally standing
nearby, became aware of this right and rule violation and continued
the argument. One of the ladies in the group began shouting, and
subsequently abusing, to which the visually impaired man reciprocated
in the same language as well. Conclusively, the group had to depart
due to the excess amount of people in their opposition and due to the
heat ignited in the argument.
* In general, often groups of ladies or girls, school and college
students and other individuals, often simply illegally board the PWDS
department anticipating that their arrival will not be unwelcome.
Either they come with an argument prepared or with an intention to
retaliate back if they are censured, or simply take a chance to see if
they will be permitted to travel in the PWDs compartment.
* I didn't listen too carefully, but, a few days ago, on the Mumbai
railways, there was an announcement going on emphasizing that
non-disabled people were not permitted to travel in the PWDs
compartment and violation would result in a fine (missed the amount of
the fine).
Thanks.

On 10/6/15, sampath raj rao <sampath.4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If that's the case, will the cops wait till some passenger in the
> first class boggy launches a complaint against a passenger with third
> class ticket? then why should cops wait till a disabled passenger
> complaints against a non-disabled in a disable compartment???
> Can't they stop their entry as they restrict in the boggies of first
> class and Ladies's ???
> I haven't experienced such issues but have heard such cases before to...
>
>
>
> On 10/6/15, Rohiet A. Patil <patil_ro...@dataone.in> wrote:
>> Hi!
>> The suggestion does not seems practical. Because, when the police will
>> try
>> to vacate the coatch, at that time other passengers may ask them if there
>> is
>>
>> no complaint from anyone then what is the problem?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Surya Prakash Sharma
>> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 8:49 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerningthe disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways
>>
>> Hi,
>> i've a suggestion in this regard to avoid direct confrontation with
>> the non-disabled passe

Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[Mahendra Galani]

Hi, i think you did the right thing.
i think you dont have to worry about her thret, she is not having no 
detailles from you, like number, addresse,

also, it is not so easy to go further in this matter from her side.
take care.



At 01:14 PM 10/5/2015 +0530, you wrote:

Hi Friends,

Yesterday a very bad incidence took place with me and my wife who is 
also blind, in disabled coach of Pune Mumbai intercity express.


I and my wife boarded in the train from Pune, the coach was located 
near the engine. After our occupying the seats many nondisabled 
peoples boarded in the same compartment. Most of them were ladies. I 
messaged to the number provided in this mailing list, the matter of 
Message is "Please vacate the disabled coach of 12128 Pune Mumbai 
intercity exp as nondisabled people are traveling". On Lonavala 
station a Police Man vacated the coach but 1 lady was not ready to 
shift and the police told me I am helpless as I don't have a lady 
constable with me. When train started the lady started abusing me 
and told I will file a falls complain against you, that you tried to 
touch me and intended to through me out of train. I did not reacted 
to the same as I did not wanted to escalate the matter. After some 
time she captured some photograph of me which I could not noticed 
due to my blindness. She was saying hir relative is a police 
inspector and I will see you.


She was suppose to get down at Thane station but she did not got 
down and she got down at Dadar. While getting down She again abused 
me and my wife, she again came back with 1 man and he threatened me 
that come out I will show you what are the consequences of 
complaining. Then he said I will show you the law. And the train 
started. Then the remaining passengers told me that she was looking 
very angry on you and you should not have done this complain. You 
should have tolerance and questioned me, there are still many 
nondisabled peoples are present in this bogy why don't you get them 
down? I answered how I will come to know who is disabled and who is 
not? If I clean a part of dirt then it is not my responsibility to 
clean all dirt. They only told me that she has taken your photographs.


The lady who was preaching me not to complain was herself nondisabled.

Please give me your input regarding this matter. Was I wrong to give 
the complain? Should I take threat seriously given by that lady and man?





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Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[Amar Jain]

Boss,

No wrong in giving complaint. If police inspector at all calls you,
first ask him for a copy of the complaint. Secondly, save that message
for some duration so that you can show that this is what you had done
and what is now happening is the consequence of your good deed.

One of the point to be carefully looked at in the complaint is the
time of incident which that lady reports. If it is after your
complaint, then god saves her wisdom. And ideally that lady shouldn't
have travelled at all in the disabled coach!

Next time, take a video yourself keeping the phone in the direction of
such person hoping that somehow we are able to capture the face
itself!

And no point taking it seriously right now, because you will only
bother yourself. But this is a stupid kind of reality I am seeing.

Regards,
-- 
Amar Jain.
Website: www.amarjain.com



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Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[vivek doddamani]

Friend, do not worry keep the message what you have sent to Indian
railways, the second thing is why did that lady get into disabled
coach, in this case what you have to do is switch recording button in
your mobile record whatever she is abusing you, do not worry nothing
will happen, empty vessals make more noise.

On 10/5/15, Amar Jain  wrote:
> Boss,
>
> No wrong in giving complaint. If police inspector at all calls you,
> first ask him for a copy of the complaint. Secondly, save that message
> for some duration so that you can show that this is what you had done
> and what is now happening is the consequence of your good deed.
>
> One of the point to be carefully looked at in the complaint is the
> time of incident which that lady reports. If it is after your
> complaint, then god saves her wisdom. And ideally that lady shouldn't
> have travelled at all in the disabled coach!
>
> Next time, take a video yourself keeping the phone in the direction of
> such person hoping that somehow we are able to capture the face
> itself!
>
> And no point taking it seriously right now, because you will only
> bother yourself. But this is a stupid kind of reality I am seeing.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Amar Jain.
> Website: www.amarjain.com
>
>
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Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[Surya Prakash Sharma]

Hi,
i've a suggestion in this regard to avoid direct confrontation with
the non-disabled passengers boarding in the coatch reserved for PWDs.
we should request the railways that in such cases when the railway
police acting on such complaints must not reveal that there was a
complaint from the coatch. they should pretend as if they were acting
suo moto.

On 10/5/15, vivek doddamani  wrote:
> Friend, do not worry keep the message what you have sent to Indian
> railways, the second thing is why did that lady get into disabled
> coach, in this case what you have to do is switch recording button in
> your mobile record whatever she is abusing you, do not worry nothing
> will happen, empty vessals make more noise.
>
> On 10/5/15, Amar Jain  wrote:
>> Boss,
>>
>> No wrong in giving complaint. If police inspector at all calls you,
>> first ask him for a copy of the complaint. Secondly, save that message
>> for some duration so that you can show that this is what you had done
>> and what is now happening is the consequence of your good deed.
>>
>> One of the point to be carefully looked at in the complaint is the
>> time of incident which that lady reports. If it is after your
>> complaint, then god saves her wisdom. And ideally that lady shouldn't
>> have travelled at all in the disabled coach!
>>
>> Next time, take a video yourself keeping the phone in the direction of
>> such person hoping that somehow we are able to capture the face
>> itself!
>>
>> And no point taking it seriously right now, because you will only
>> bother yourself. But this is a stupid kind of reality I am seeing.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Amar Jain.
>> Website: www.amarjain.com
>>
>>
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Lecturer, Political Science
Govt. College Kaladera
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Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

[Vijay Kumar]

Dear , unfortunate to note this happen , I have travelled a lot in
Mumbai locals and all trainsout bound or local have strict warning against
boarding disabled compartments by non disabled. So friend if some body
abuses you on a legitimate  complaint , do not worry and send an online
intimation to Mumbai and Railway police.

CA S Vijay Kumar 

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Subject: Re: [AI] A bad Incidence In Indian Railways

Friend, do not worry keep the message what you have sent to Indian railways,
the second thing is why did that lady get into disabled coach, in this case
what you have to do is switch recording button in your mobile record
whatever she is abusing you, do not worry nothing will happen, empty vessals
make more noise.

On 10/5/15, Amar Jain <amarjain2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Boss,
>
> No wrong in giving complaint. If police inspector at all calls you, 
> first ask him for a copy of the complaint. Secondly, save that message 
> for some duration so that you can show that this is what you had done 
> and what is now happening is the consequence of your good deed.
>
> One of the point to be carefully looked at in the complaint is the 
> time of incident which that lady reports. If it is after your 
> complaint, then god saves her wisdom. And ideally that lady shouldn't 
> have travelled at all in the disabled coach!
>
> Next time, take a video yourself keeping the phone in the direction of 
> such person hoping that somehow we are able to capture the face 
> itself!
>
> And no point taking it seriously right now, because you will only 
> bother yourself. But this is a stupid kind of reality I am seeing.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Amar Jain.
> Website: www.amarjain.com
>
>
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