Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Monica Eyeway]

As Maharashtra state boards gears towards inclusive education‬
<https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/inclusiveeducation?source=feed_text&story_id=1262886023738622>
by
giving an option to the blind students to record‬
<https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/record?source=feed_text&story_id=1262886023738622>
their
exam answers on a tape recorder, we need to understand the feasibility of
the medium.
Here is what Mr. George Abraham has to say on this initiative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw3GMTtj96E&index=8&list=PLESYmf8nC0EM0s32ooiBF38G5COsstJLx



On 21 January 2016 at 14:34, Parimala Bhat  wrote:

> you are right
> - Original Message - From: "pankaj Singh kushwaha" <
> justicewith...@gmail.com>
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled." 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
>
> Dear friends, this is very interesting discussion on th method of
>> answering in CBSE board. initially, I support this move, but  in long
>> run it would harm rather than helping people with blindness.  as many
>> persons have discussed that if somebody is speaking slow, some on
>> having different kind of pronunciation and so on and  s forth. even,
>> this move revolutiohnized people with blindness to be good speaker
>> rather than be good writer. good speaker is not bad thing, but in long
>> run it will destroy our capacity to write. for in my case, I can
>> dictate better rather than  writing. similarly in cighted  people they
>> can  writer better rather than dictating. therefore,  we the people
>> with blind should support to  develop the writing tendency. secondly,
>> the  writing devices like laptop, tab and  eetc are easily available
>> to most of the  students. if it is not available than  out educational
>> institutes  should work for the availability of  devices, because it
>> will not  take only exam but  it will empower them for ever. thirdly,
>> the self writing facilitate us to  express our actual wil rather than
>> dicating thing. some thing, we are so afraid  about the writer thing
>> or what he will think.  fourthly, the  idea of recording may be
>> radical move in the view of  CBSE, but it will change  mode of
>> evaluation. some blind students would get marks, because of ghis or
>> her voice but some  would get low marks, because eof  his her voice.
>> fifthly, because of dictation and recording the spelling study would
>> become too weak. even, some time, people with blindness are not able
>> to differentiate between week and weak, because of  they are prone ot
>> speak than writing. if they provide braille writing instrument, that
>> is  qualify for welcome, because it gives ground level reality and
>> maximum use of capacity. here writing speed does matter but braille as
>> mode of exam must available along with other any method. thanks
>> On 1/12/16, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>>
>>> Times of India:
>>>
>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
>>> Abhishek Choudhari
>>>  | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
>>> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
>>> additional supplement.
>>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
>>> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This
>>> new
>>> rule
>>> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
>>> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>>>
>>> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
>>> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they
>>> can
>>> get a feel
>>> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
>>> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For
>>> all
>>> special
>>> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
>>> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks,
>>> facility
>>> of
>>> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc.
>>> Students
>>> suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and hearing,
>>> physical
>>> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
>>> these examination concessions. Parents who have children with 

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Parimala Bhat]

you are right
- Original Message - 
From: "pankaj Singh kushwaha" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled." 

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers



Dear friends, this is very interesting discussion on th method of
answering in CBSE board. initially, I support this move, but  in long
run it would harm rather than helping people with blindness.  as many
persons have discussed that if somebody is speaking slow, some on
having different kind of pronunciation and so on and  s forth. even,
this move revolutiohnized people with blindness to be good speaker
rather than be good writer. good speaker is not bad thing, but in long
run it will destroy our capacity to write. for in my case, I can
dictate better rather than  writing. similarly in cighted  people they
can  writer better rather than dictating. therefore,  we the people
with blind should support to  develop the writing tendency. secondly,
the  writing devices like laptop, tab and  eetc are easily available
to most of the  students. if it is not available than  out educational
institutes  should work for the availability of  devices, because it
will not  take only exam but  it will empower them for ever. thirdly,
the self writing facilitate us to  express our actual wil rather than
dicating thing. some thing, we are so afraid  about the writer thing
or what he will think.  fourthly, the  idea of recording may be
radical move in the view of  CBSE, but it will change  mode of
evaluation. some blind students would get marks, because of ghis or
her voice but some  would get low marks, because eof  his her voice.
fifthly, because of dictation and recording the spelling study would
become too weak. even, some time, people with blindness are not able
to differentiate between week and weak, because of  they are prone ot
speak than writing. if they provide braille writing instrument, that
is  qualify for welcome, because it gives ground level reality and
maximum use of capacity. here writing speed does matter but braille as
mode of exam must available along with other any method. thanks
On 1/12/16, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:

Times of India:

Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
Abhishek Choudhari
 | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
additional supplement.
Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This 
new

rule
is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.

Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they 
can

get a feel
of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For 
all

special
needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, 
facility

of
talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc. 
Students

suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and hearing,
physical
disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special 
needs

have
been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office 
for

details.

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राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
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बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
नागपुर Nagpur

0712 2806846

President
VIBEWA
Co-Moderator
VIB-India

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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[pankaj Singh kushwaha]

Dear friends, this is very interesting discussion on th method of
answering in CBSE board. initially, I support this move, but  in long
run it would harm rather than helping people with blindness.  as many
persons have discussed that if somebody is speaking slow, some on
having different kind of pronunciation and so on and  s forth. even,
this move revolutiohnized people with blindness to be good speaker
rather than be good writer. good speaker is not bad thing, but in long
run it will destroy our capacity to write. for in my case, I can
dictate better rather than  writing. similarly in cighted  people they
can  writer better rather than dictating. therefore,  we the people
with blind should support to  develop the writing tendency. secondly,
the  writing devices like laptop, tab and  eetc are easily available
to most of the  students. if it is not available than  out educational
institutes  should work for the availability of  devices, because it
will not  take only exam but  it will empower them for ever. thirdly,
the self writing facilitate us to  express our actual wil rather than
dicating thing. some thing, we are so afraid  about the writer thing
or what he will think.  fourthly, the  idea of recording may be
radical move in the view of  CBSE, but it will change  mode of
evaluation. some blind students would get marks, because of ghis or
her voice but some  would get low marks, because eof  his her voice.
fifthly, because of dictation and recording the spelling study would
become too weak. even, some time, people with blindness are not able
to differentiate between week and weak, because of  they are prone ot
speak than writing. if they provide braille writing instrument, that
is  qualify for welcome, because it gives ground level reality and
maximum use of capacity. here writing speed does matter but braille as
mode of exam must available along with other any method. thanks
On 1/12/16, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> Times of India:
>
> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
> Abhishek Choudhari
>  | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
> additional supplement.
> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This new
> rule
> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>
> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can
> get a feel
> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all
> special
> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, facility
> of
> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc. Students
> suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and hearing,
> physical
> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
> these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special needs
> have
> been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for
> details.
>
> सादर / With thanks & Regards
> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
> नागपुर Nagpur
>
> 0712 2806846
>
> President
> VIBEWA
> Co-Moderator
> VIB-India
>
> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and
> laughter.
>
>
> 
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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Avichal Bhatnagar]

I feel that recording should be an option, but only visually impaired
teachers should be given the task of correction.
Or else, the sighted examiners should first undergo training to
develop listening skills.

On 1/17/16, Pranav Lal  wrote:
> Saurabh,
>
>  I use speech-recognition regularly and this solution will not work.
> Speech-recognition is not 100% accurate. Nor is typing for that matter but
> it is easier to correct errors made while typing than errors made during
> speech-recognition. Yes, you could have a transcription service but that is
> something you need to take up with the various examining boards.
>
> Pranav
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Saurabh Gupta
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 1:58 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled. 
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am wondering and thinking that this problem could be easily with services
> which combine Speech to text and text to speech. It would work for English
> and some of the languages. And might not be very accurate but never the less
> would be able to server the purpose.
>
> I am an Android developer myself and have been working on app where one can
> upload the audio file or submit audio file url to get transcribed file back
> , translate transcriptions thus received to any language of choice, use text
> to speech to re-read this transcriptions. Ans since now it is text to
> speech, navigation becomes lot easier as app can control move by word, by
> paragraph, by sentences.
>
> If this solution could work I can definitely tailor made to suit the exam
> requirements. Looking forward to feedback from everyone on this forum if it
> works.
>
>
> Regards
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, P. Subramani 
> wrote:
>
>> you are absolutely right on this,  I never meant to  condemn others
>> viewpoints,  my viewpoint is why not have choices and let the
>> individual have the choice
>> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
>> Mob:  9738150192
>> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
>> - Original Message - From: "George Abraham"
>> 
>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerningthe disabled.'" 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:34 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>>
>> There are different views on any subject. All may not agree with what
>> is
>>> written on the list. They are free to express their views. Even the
>>> well settled persons also have thoughts that they are welcome to
>>> share. Such discussions give us perspectives.
>>>
>>> What one takes away from a discussion depends on how one looks at life.
>>> All the so called well placed people in this country have also
>>> struggled and faced up to challenges. What largely singles them out
>>> is their attitude and approach and willingness to adapt and innovate.
>>> Let us not condemn or look down on them.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of P. Subramani
>>> Sent: 14 January 2016 12:12
>>> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>>> accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>> I don't understand the big fuss created on this topic, obviously
>>> computer-users will not resort to recording answers, most will
>>> definitely use scribes and only a few individuals as a last  option
>>> may opt for recording,  it should be individual's choice having
>>> varous options are by no means a bad thing
>>> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
>>> Mob:  9738150192
>>> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
>>> - Original Message - From: "Vedprakash" <
>>> vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerningthe disabled.'" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>>
>>> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
>>>> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
>>>> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people
>>>> pronounce the same word differently due to regional considerations.
>>>> Secondly, when we record an a

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Pranav Lal]

Saurabh,

 I use speech-recognition regularly and this solution will not work. 
Speech-recognition is not 100% accurate. Nor is typing for that matter but it 
is easier to correct errors made while typing than errors made during 
speech-recognition. Yes, you could have a transcription service but that is 
something you need to take up with the various examining boards.

Pranav

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Saurabh Gupta
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 1:58 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

Hi Guys,

I am wondering and thinking that this problem could be easily with services 
which combine Speech to text and text to speech. It would work for English and 
some of the languages. And might not be very accurate but never the less would 
be able to server the purpose.

I am an Android developer myself and have been working on app where one can 
upload the audio file or submit audio file url to get transcribed file back , 
translate transcriptions thus received to any language of choice, use text to 
speech to re-read this transcriptions. Ans since now it is text to speech, 
navigation becomes lot easier as app can control move by word, by paragraph, by 
sentences.

If this solution could work I can definitely tailor made to suit the exam 
requirements. Looking forward to feedback from everyone on this forum if it 
works.


Regards

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, P. Subramani 
wrote:

> you are absolutely right on this,  I never meant to  condemn others 
> viewpoints,  my viewpoint is why not have choices and let the 
> individual have the choice
> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
> Mob:  9738150192
> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
> - Original Message - From: "George Abraham" 
> 
> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerningthe disabled.'" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:34 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
>
> There are different views on any subject. All may not agree with what 
> is
>> written on the list. They are free to express their views. Even the 
>> well settled persons also have thoughts that they are welcome to 
>> share. Such discussions give us perspectives.
>>
>> What one takes away from a discussion depends on how one looks at life.
>> All the so called well placed people in this country have also 
>> struggled and faced up to challenges. What largely singles them out 
>> is their attitude and approach and willingness to adapt and innovate. 
>> Let us not condemn or look down on them.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf Of P. Subramani
>> Sent: 14 January 2016 12:12
>> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
>> accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>> I don't understand the big fuss created on this topic, obviously 
>> computer-users will not resort to recording answers, most will 
>> definitely use scribes and only a few individuals as a last  option 
>> may opt for recording,  it should be individual's choice having 
>> varous options are by no means a bad thing
>> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
>> Mob:  9738150192
>> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
>> ----- Original Message - From: "Vedprakash" < 
>> vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com>
>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerningthe disabled.'" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>>
>> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
>>> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
>>> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people 
>>> pronounce the same word differently due to regional considerations.
>>> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the 
>>> process of thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or 
>>> you have to speak flawlessly and continuously.
>>> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may 
>>> disturb the recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
>>> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
>>> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> B

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Joel Vergis]

Dear friends,
Any method used to administer exams for persons with special needs has
prose and cons. Recording answers on a tape recorder enables a
candidate to express his/her ideas better and would avoid errors
involved  while attending the exam with a writer. On the other hand
the candidate would require the help of a reader to read out the
questions. This is required in case visually impaired persons. This
limitation can be overcome with the use of screen reading softwares. I
welcome the minister's proposal of awarding concessions to people with
special needs while appearing for exams, however I would like to raise
my objections to two points.
1. Liberal evaluation and 2. grace marks.
These two can be avoided by preparing separate question papers or by
providing for separate questions in the same question paper provided
to rest of the students.

Thanks and regards,
Joel Vergis
Christ's Ambassador
Jawaharlal Nehru University
New Delhi

On 1/16/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
> Hi Saurab,
> I have explored few services where audio file can be translated to Text,
> however, as you pointed out that, the solution may not be accurate,
> just wondering if it can be used for something important like Exams?
> in exams, accuracy is the main concern, even if the blind use Scribes!
>
> On 1/15/16, puneet soni  wrote:
>> yes, I am also not in favour of recording system. exam should be
>> accessible. writing method is good.
>>
>> On 1/14/16, Saurabh Gupta  wrote:
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>> I am wondering and thinking that this problem could be easily with
>>> services
>>> which combine Speech to text and text to speech. It would work for
>>> English
>>> and some of the languages. And might not be very accurate but never the
>>> less would be able to server the purpose.
>>>
>>> I am an Android developer myself and have been working on app where one
>>> can
>>> upload the audio file or submit audio file url to get transcribed file
>>> back
>>> , translate transcriptions thus received to any language of choice, use
>>> text to speech to re-read this transcriptions. Ans since now it is text
>>> to
>>> speech, navigation becomes lot easier as app can control move by word, by
>>> paragraph, by sentences.
>>>
>>> If this solution could work I can definitely tailor made to suit the exam
>>> requirements. Looking forward to feedback from everyone on this forum if
>>> it
>>> works.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, P. Subramani 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> you are absolutely right on this,  I never meant to  condemn others
>>>> viewpoints,  my viewpoint is why not have choices and let the individual
>>>> have the choice
>>>> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
>>>> Mob:  9738150192
>>>> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
>>>> - Original Message - From: "George Abraham" 
>>>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerningthe disabled.'" 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:34 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are different views on any subject. All may not agree with what is
>>>>> written on the list. They are free to express their views. Even the
>>>>> well
>>>>> settled persons also have thoughts that they are welcome to share. Such
>>>>> discussions give us perspectives.
>>>>>
>>>>> What one takes away from a discussion depends on how one looks at life.
>>>>> All the so called well placed people in this country have also
>>>>> struggled
>>>>> and faced up to challenges. What largely singles them out is their
>>>>> attitude
>>>>> and approach and willingness to adapt and innovate. Let us not condemn
>>>>> or
>>>>> look down on them.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>>> Behalf Of P. Subramani
>>>>> Sent: 14 January 2016 12:12
>>>>> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>>>>> accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand the big fuss created on this topic, obviously

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Vidhya Y]

Hi Saurab,
I have explored few services where audio file can be translated to Text,
however, as you pointed out that, the solution may not be accurate,
just wondering if it can be used for something important like Exams?
in exams, accuracy is the main concern, even if the blind use Scribes!

On 1/15/16, puneet soni  wrote:
> yes, I am also not in favour of recording system. exam should be
> accessible. writing method is good.
>
> On 1/14/16, Saurabh Gupta  wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I am wondering and thinking that this problem could be easily with
>> services
>> which combine Speech to text and text to speech. It would work for English
>> and some of the languages. And might not be very accurate but never the
>> less would be able to server the purpose.
>>
>> I am an Android developer myself and have been working on app where one
>> can
>> upload the audio file or submit audio file url to get transcribed file
>> back
>> , translate transcriptions thus received to any language of choice, use
>> text to speech to re-read this transcriptions. Ans since now it is text to
>> speech, navigation becomes lot easier as app can control move by word, by
>> paragraph, by sentences.
>>
>> If this solution could work I can definitely tailor made to suit the exam
>> requirements. Looking forward to feedback from everyone on this forum if
>> it
>> works.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, P. Subramani 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> you are absolutely right on this,  I never meant to  condemn others
>>> viewpoints,  my viewpoint is why not have choices and let the individual
>>> have the choice
>>> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
>>> Mob:  9738150192
>>> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
>>> - Original Message - From: "George Abraham" 
>>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerningthe disabled.'" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:34 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>>
>>> There are different views on any subject. All may not agree with what is
>>>> written on the list. They are free to express their views. Even the well
>>>> settled persons also have thoughts that they are welcome to share. Such
>>>> discussions give us perspectives.
>>>>
>>>> What one takes away from a discussion depends on how one looks at life.
>>>> All the so called well placed people in this country have also struggled
>>>> and faced up to challenges. What largely singles them out is their
>>>> attitude
>>>> and approach and willingness to adapt and innovate. Let us not condemn
>>>> or
>>>> look down on them.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf Of P. Subramani
>>>> Sent: 14 January 2016 12:12
>>>> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>>>> accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand the big fuss created on this topic, obviously
>>>> computer-users will not resort to recording answers, most will
>>>> definitely
>>>> use scribes and only a few individuals as a last  option may opt for
>>>> recording,  it should be individual's choice having varous options are
>>>> by
>>>> no
>>>> means a bad thing
>>>> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
>>>> Mob:  9738150192
>>>> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Vedprakash" <
>>>> vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerningthe disabled.'" 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
>>>>> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
>>>>> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people
>>>>> pronounce
>>>>> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
>>>>> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process
>>>>> of
>>>>&g

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[puneet soni]

yes, I am also not in favour of recording system. exam should be
accessible. writing method is good.

On 1/14/16, Saurabh Gupta  wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am wondering and thinking that this problem could be easily with services
> which combine Speech to text and text to speech. It would work for English
> and some of the languages. And might not be very accurate but never the
> less would be able to server the purpose.
>
> I am an Android developer myself and have been working on app where one can
> upload the audio file or submit audio file url to get transcribed file back
> , translate transcriptions thus received to any language of choice, use
> text to speech to re-read this transcriptions. Ans since now it is text to
> speech, navigation becomes lot easier as app can control move by word, by
> paragraph, by sentences.
>
> If this solution could work I can definitely tailor made to suit the exam
> requirements. Looking forward to feedback from everyone on this forum if it
> works.
>
>
> Regards
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, P. Subramani 
> wrote:
>
>> you are absolutely right on this,  I never meant to  condemn others
>> viewpoints,  my viewpoint is why not have choices and let the individual
>> have the choice
>> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
>> Mob:  9738150192
>> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
>> - Original Message - From: "George Abraham" 
>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerningthe disabled.'" 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:34 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>>
>> There are different views on any subject. All may not agree with what is
>>> written on the list. They are free to express their views. Even the well
>>> settled persons also have thoughts that they are welcome to share. Such
>>> discussions give us perspectives.
>>>
>>> What one takes away from a discussion depends on how one looks at life.
>>> All the so called well placed people in this country have also struggled
>>> and faced up to challenges. What largely singles them out is their
>>> attitude
>>> and approach and willingness to adapt and innovate. Let us not condemn or
>>> look down on them.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of P. Subramani
>>> Sent: 14 January 2016 12:12
>>> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>>> accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>> I don't understand the big fuss created on this topic, obviously
>>> computer-users will not resort to recording answers, most will definitely
>>> use scribes and only a few individuals as a last  option may opt for
>>> recording,  it should be individual's choice having varous options are by
>>> no
>>> means a bad thing
>>> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
>>> Mob:  9738150192
>>> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
>>> - Original Message - From: "Vedprakash" <
>>> vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerningthe disabled.'" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>>
>>> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
>>>> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
>>>> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people
>>>> pronounce
>>>> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
>>>> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process
>>>> of
>>>> thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to
>>>> speak
>>>> flawlessly and continuously.
>>>> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb
>>>> the
>>>> recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
>>>> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
>>>> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
>>>> To: AccessIndi

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Saurabh Gupta]

Hi Guys,

I am wondering and thinking that this problem could be easily with services
which combine Speech to text and text to speech. It would work for English
and some of the languages. And might not be very accurate but never the
less would be able to server the purpose.

I am an Android developer myself and have been working on app where one can
upload the audio file or submit audio file url to get transcribed file back
, translate transcriptions thus received to any language of choice, use
text to speech to re-read this transcriptions. Ans since now it is text to
speech, navigation becomes lot easier as app can control move by word, by
paragraph, by sentences.

If this solution could work I can definitely tailor made to suit the exam
requirements. Looking forward to feedback from everyone on this forum if it
works.


Regards

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 AM, P. Subramani 
wrote:

> you are absolutely right on this,  I never meant to  condemn others
> viewpoints,  my viewpoint is why not have choices and let the individual
> have the choice
> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
> Mob:  9738150192
> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
> - Original Message - From: "George Abraham" 
> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled.'" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:34 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
>
> There are different views on any subject. All may not agree with what is
>> written on the list. They are free to express their views. Even the well
>> settled persons also have thoughts that they are welcome to share. Such
>> discussions give us perspectives.
>>
>> What one takes away from a discussion depends on how one looks at life.
>> All the so called well placed people in this country have also struggled
>> and faced up to challenges. What largely singles them out is their attitude
>> and approach and willingness to adapt and innovate. Let us not condemn or
>> look down on them.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of P. Subramani
>> Sent: 14 January 2016 12:12
>> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>> accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>> I don't understand the big fuss created on this topic, obviously
>> computer-users will not resort to recording answers, most will definitely
>> use scribes and only a few individuals as a last  option may opt for
>> recording,  it should be individual's choice having varous options are by
>> no
>> means a bad thing
>> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
>> Mob:  9738150192
>> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
>> ----- Original Message - From: "Vedprakash" <
>> vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com>
>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerningthe disabled.'" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>>
>> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
>>> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
>>> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people
>>> pronounce
>>> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
>>> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process
>>> of
>>> thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak
>>> flawlessly and continuously.
>>> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the
>>> recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
>>> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
>>> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled. 
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't
>>> work when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
>>> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the
>>> same
>>> time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good
>>> marks on their own without expec

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Misbah]

Again my dispassionate objective analyses practically speak, in terms
of taking on board all segments of VI’s, rural/urban, affluent/poor,
Dalit/Brahman: the traditional system of amanuenses has no replacement
despite its obvious limitations. I strongly argue for the same given
the actual scenario of majority blind persons in rural India.

On 1/14/16, sanjay  wrote:
> Please forget about cassette recorders and cassette players.   They are out
>
> of the market now.
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[sanjay]

Please forget about cassette recorders and cassette players.   They are out 
of the market now. 




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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[P. Subramani]

you are absolutely right on this,  I never meant to  condemn others 
viewpoints,  my viewpoint is why not have choices and let the individual 
have the choice

E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
Mob:  9738150192
Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
- Original Message - 
From: "George Abraham" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.'" 

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers


There are different views on any subject. All may not agree with what is 
written on the list. They are free to express their views. Even the well 
settled persons also have thoughts that they are welcome to share. Such 
discussions give us perspectives.


What one takes away from a discussion depends on how one looks at life. 
All the so called well placed people in this country have also struggled 
and faced up to challenges. What largely singles them out is their 
attitude and approach and willingness to adapt and innovate. Let us not 
condemn or look down on them.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of P. Subramani

Sent: 14 January 2016 12:12
To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

I don't understand the big fuss created on this topic, obviously
computer-users will not resort to recording answers, most will definitely
use scribes and only a few individuals as a last  option may opt for
recording,  it should be individual's choice having varous options are by 
no

means a bad thing
E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
Mob:  9738150192
Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
- Original Message - 
From: "Vedprakash" 

To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerningthe disabled.'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers



Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
Firstly, the pronunciation part.
I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people 
pronounce

the same word differently due to regional considerations.
Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process 
of

thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak
flawlessly and continuously.
During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the
recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't
work when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the 
same

time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good
marks on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the
poor preparation and/or negligence of the students.

Regards.


On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:

what about math? tell it like a Poem?
typing would be fair instead of recording.
the Sighted write so we should type!
that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
case of English Language.
for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
on, which may take time, but not impossible.
liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
to all special Students.
which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
complex disabilities!
many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.

On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:

then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
tedius and time consuming.
i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.

On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:

Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer
writing or exam in Braille.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

One

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[George Abraham]

Further, most sighted people are poor listeners. They do not grasp everything 
that is said. While reading they can very easily move back and forth. In the 
case of recording moving back and forth could be a pain. As a blind examinee, 
will struggle to make changes. Editting audio files is technical. If one 
rerecords, then the examiner would get confused. As Ved Prakash rightly says,  
recording is simply not a practical option.

The Minister is most certainly well meaning but like most policy 
makers/administraters he is not well informed. This is my personally view.  

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 14 January 2016 12:38
To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

Recording answers should not even be the option for the blind, as it changes 
the very nature of the exam from a written to oral.
Other objections vedprakash has rightly mentioned.

I had opposed it right from the inception stage in Maharashtra but it seems 
some vested interests have had their say as they manufacture some odd devices 
for recording and playing voice and distribute them to blind here in 
Maharashtra.


सादर / With thanks & Regards
राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
नागपुर Nagpur

0712 2806846

President
VIBEWA
Co-Moderator
VIB-India

A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and laughter.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Vedprakash
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:37 AM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

This recording system is simply not applicable.
Some of the reasons I have already mentioned. Mentioning below some more:
1. Sighted evaluaters are not very comfortable with giving marks by listening 
to the answers. If they miss some word, they are not going to rewine and listen 
again. I am a teacher and hence know a lot about these checking centers and 
checkers.
2. During unseen passages, if one has to match words in a table, what is the 
option? The student can match the words by speaking the both words together, 
but the checker will get confused.
3. Generally, the checker takes ten minutes at an average to finish an answer 
sheet. But in case of recorded answer sheets, more time is required. So there 
is always a danger that the evaluater will put the marks without listening the 
whole recording.
4. Generally, marks are put after each section at the answer sheet and hence 
the checker keeps the record of the questions answered. In the recorded answer, 
it is not easy to count as to how many questions and parts thereof have been 
attempted.

Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Arjun Malhotra
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:35 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

This is a positive step. I say so because at least they are taking some 
innitiative. Although there are certain challenges in recording answers. It is 
no surprise  that CBSE has allowed recording answer as CCPD guidelines have 
been followed as it is. Yes CCPD's examination guidelines provide for recording 
as a means of taking exam.

About the challenges, first thing come to my mind is sheer time taken by 
examiner to evaluate the answers. On an average an examiner takes
5-15 minutes to evaluate  the answer script. One may say since recording the 
answer is matter of policy and board is the best judge of managing it's affair. 
Secondly I feer that those students who have polished accents may be at 
advantagious position as compared to those who are  not polished as far as 
oratory skills are concerned. This may undermine the merit. However you may 
argue that students with bad hand writing also suffers and it is important for  
a visually challenged student to work upon his oratory skills before opting for 
such mode of taking exam. . My third concern pertains to background 
disturbances.
I'm optimistic that examination centers will not be in position of providing 
sound proof rooms and not even quiter places. Anyways rumble of an engine, 
shreek of an horn, school bell will be recorded along side the answer and will 
surely affect the over all experience. My 4th concern is that will there be any 
takers of this mode of taking exam?
and I  can only hope this mode remains an option out of many such options and 
should not become "only option" in those cases where students relies on either 
school or examination c

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Recording answers should not even be the option for the blind, as it changes 
the very nature of the exam from a written to oral.
Other objections vedprakash has rightly mentioned.

I had opposed it right from the inception stage in Maharashtra but it seems 
some vested interests have had their say as they manufacture some odd devices 
for recording and playing voice and distribute them to blind here in 
Maharashtra.


सादर / With thanks & Regards
राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
नागपुर Nagpur

0712 2806846

President
VIBEWA
Co-Moderator
VIB-India

A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and laughter.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Vedprakash
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:37 AM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

This recording system is simply not applicable.
Some of the reasons I have already mentioned. Mentioning below some more:
1. Sighted evaluaters are not very comfortable with giving marks by listening 
to the answers. If they miss some word, they are not going to rewine and listen 
again. I am a teacher and hence know a lot about these checking centers and 
checkers.
2. During unseen passages, if one has to match words in a table, what is the 
option? The student can match the words by speaking the both words together, 
but the checker will get confused.
3. Generally, the checker takes ten minutes at an average to finish an answer 
sheet. But in case of recorded answer sheets, more time is required. So there 
is always a danger that the evaluater will put the marks without listening the 
whole recording.
4. Generally, marks are put after each section at the answer sheet and hence 
the checker keeps the record of the questions answered. In the recorded answer, 
it is not easy to count as to how many questions and parts thereof have been 
attempted.

Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Arjun Malhotra
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:35 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

This is a positive step. I say so because at least they are taking some 
innitiative. Although there are certain challenges in recording answers. It is 
no surprise  that CBSE has allowed recording answer as CCPD guidelines have 
been followed as it is. Yes CCPD's examination guidelines provide for recording 
as a means of taking exam.

About the challenges, first thing come to my mind is sheer time taken by 
examiner to evaluate the answers. On an average an examiner takes
5-15 minutes to evaluate  the answer script. One may say since recording the 
answer is matter of policy and board is the best judge of managing it's affair. 
Secondly I feer that those students who have polished accents may be at 
advantagious position as compared to those who are  not polished as far as 
oratory skills are concerned. This may undermine the merit. However you may 
argue that students with bad hand writing also suffers and it is important for  
a visually challenged student to work upon his oratory skills before opting for 
such mode of taking exam. . My third concern pertains to background 
disturbances.
I'm optimistic that examination centers will not be in position of providing 
sound proof rooms and not even quiter places. Anyways rumble of an engine, 
shreek of an horn, school bell will be recorded along side the answer and will 
surely affect the over all experience. My 4th concern is that will there be any 
takers of this mode of taking exam?
and I  can only hope this mode remains an option out of many such options and 
should not become "only option" in those cases where students relies on either 
school or examination centers for arranging the scribes.

best
Arjun M

On 1/12/16, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
> What about reading of the question paper. Is going to be prerecorded
> in a tape, or will it be read by a human assistance. If human
> assistance is needed, then what is the sense of recording the answer
> in a tape. If prerecorded, then as commented earlier lot of rewinding
> and forwarding to listen to the questions.
>
> On 1/12/16, Vamshi. G  wrote:
>> But George sir,  won't it be unfair towards sighted to make them
>> write on computers for the sake of visually impaired?  Hand writing
>> is a very important aspect, especially during childhood.  Just like
>> we find number of flaws in a method suggested for the blind by
>> someone who is not familiar with the field, a sighted person will
>> have number of arguements against writ

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[George Abraham]

There are different views on any subject. All may not agree with what is 
written on the list. They are free to express their views. Even the well 
settled persons also have thoughts that they are welcome to share. Such 
discussions give us perspectives. 

What one takes away from a discussion depends on how one looks at life. All the 
so called well placed people in this country have also struggled and faced up 
to challenges. What largely singles them out is their attitude and approach and 
willingness to adapt and innovate. Let us not condemn or look down on them. 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
P. Subramani
Sent: 14 January 2016 12:12
To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
accessibility and issuesconcerning the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

I don't understand the big fuss created on this topic, obviously 
computer-users will not resort to recording answers, most will definitely 
use scribes and only a few individuals as a last  option may opt for 
recording,  it should be individual's choice having varous options are by no 
means a bad thing
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- Original Message - 
From: "Vedprakash" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.'" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers


> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people pronounce 
> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process of 
> thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak 
> flawlessly and continuously.
> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the 
> recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
> the disabled. 
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't 
> work when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the same 
> time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good 
> marks on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the 
> poor preparation and/or negligence of the students.
>
> Regards.
>
>
> On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
>> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
>> typing would be fair instead of recording.
>> the Sighted write so we should type!
>> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
>> case of English Language.
>> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
>> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
>> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
>> to all special Students.
>> which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
>> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
>> complex disabilities!
>> many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
>> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
>> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
>>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
>>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
>>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
>>> tedius and time consuming.
>>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
>>>
>>> On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
>>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer
>>>> writing or exam in Braille.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning the disabled.
>>>>

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[P. Subramani]

I don't understand the big fuss created on this topic, obviously 
computer-users will not resort to recording answers, most will definitely 
use scribes and only a few individuals as a last  option may opt for 
recording,  it should be individual's choice having varous options are by no 
means a bad thing

E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
Mob:  9738150192
Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
- Original Message - 
From: "Vedprakash" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.'" 

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers



Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
Firstly, the pronunciation part.
I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people pronounce 
the same word differently due to regional considerations.
Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process of 
thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak 
flawlessly and continuously.
During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the 
recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.

Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled. 

Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't 
work when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the same 
time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good 
marks on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the 
poor preparation and/or negligence of the students.


Regards.


On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:

what about math? tell it like a Poem?
typing would be fair instead of recording.
the Sighted write so we should type!
that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
case of English Language.
for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
on, which may take time, but not impossible.
liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
to all special Students.
which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
complex disabilities!
many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.

On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:

then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
tedius and time consuming.
i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.

On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:

Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer
writing or exam in Braille.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be
good to provide options like use of computer or recording.
Sensitising examination authorities would also be needed to avoid
bitter experience.

I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as
accent may vary.

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C


On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:

Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning the disabled.
Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers

Times of India:

Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
Abhishek Choudhari
| TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam
a candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead
of additional supplement.
Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now
record their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a
writer. This new rule is part of a slew of revolutionary changes
brought in for special needs students by state school education
minister Vinod Tawde.

Speaking to TOI, Tawde

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[P. Subramani]

you are absolutely right, only few elite  don't like gracemarks and other 
incentives for blind education as they are well settled with high positions, 
when we are having lots of difficulties in getting good/accesible education, 
there is every reason for demanding gracemarks and other incentives,  when 
other castes/groups and minorities are fighting for more and more 
benefits/incentives, we disabled  are lagging behind in not accepting the 
benefits

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- Original Message - 
From: "Arjun Malhotra" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled." 

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers



I fail to understand why words like grace marks and liberal checking
are construed in negative light. Well if you dont know then you have
the right to know that what ever the marks that one obtain in exam are
not your actual marks but moderated marks. At times marks may be
increased or even decreased. Its the matter of policy that how
moderation is to be done. Factors like difficulty of question paper,
error in question in question paper, accademic trends and other such
factors are taken into consideration while moderating the exam result.
Benifit or loss is extended to all regardless  of one's disability,
cast, gender and social background.



Will someone tell me if a VI student is not getting reasonable
education who is to be blaimed? By reasonable education I mean
getting quality accessable study material on time, study material free
from errors, quality teaching, eas in accessing books, guides, or any
other such educational material. Half of the time of VI student is
spent on gathering accessable study material, scanning it, get editing
done. When will that student learn and crystalise the concepts. When
will s/he will get time to revise? Of course conceptual clarity will
not be there and which will be apparent in the answer scripts and term
papers. Grace marks is their right. Right to education is our
fundamental right and right to quality life is also our right.  That
is to say Right to accessable education is a fundamental right of a
student with disability. If this right to accessable education is
infringed well it requires that what ever harm have caused to student
with disability has to be compensated

I'm against grace marks but I'll continue to favour them unless
students with disability do not get education with all the acomodation
that they require. Yes all acomodation not reasonable acomodation.
Reasonable acomodation has done more harm than solving the problems.
Reasonable acomodation is a  convenient term to expend ingenuity in
fabricating loop wholes in order to  escape inclusive system.



On 1/13/16, Ajay Minocha  wrote:

Hi,

Very fruitful discussion indeed! In my views, typing, writers and
recording should co- exist. Our so-called special schools are far from
achieving some success with maths even at SSE level hence we can't
just expect that every student can type equations as fluently as
he/she can dictate to a writer. Similarly, In case of regional
languages, Use of recording devices can make the process rather easier
for visually impaired participants as compared to dictation as well as
typing.

Regards,
Ajay

On 1/13/16, avinash shahi  wrote:

Very constructive discussion is on. I'd agree that Blind People
Organisations in Maharashtra should meet Education Minister and
suggest necessary corrections in the GR in written form. The CBSE has
provision for ensuring the availability of computer with enabled
assistive tools to write one's exam. However I'm not sure about the
efficiency of Marathi-screen reading software. The provision of scribe
should not be discontinued. Moreover, if needed,the questionpapers
should be provided in Braille.
On 1/13/16, bala9119  wrote:

First of all, I appreciate Mr. Vinod Tawde for bringing the necessity
of change or evolution in conducting exams for the disabled to the
limelight. recording the answers should be one of the options not the
mandatory. strict no to liberal or grace marks. instead of straight up
criticisms to the suggestions, it would be better if the civil society
organizations of blind speak to Mr. Tawde to explain the drawbacks of
the system so that a constructive change may happened. I generally
oppose the system of scribes and particularly anti towards the print
impaired bringing their own scribe. a person who finding difficult to
frame a sentence is a probationary officer in many banks now is what
the bitter truth which some of you may disagree. because of such
malpractice, the eligible, legitimate print impaired people are
suffering a lot. if we want to maintain the scribe system, better we
have to push for the governments to provide eligible person who know
to read and write without difficulties 

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Arjun Malhotra]

I fail to understand why words like grace marks and liberal checking
are construed in negative light. Well if you dont know then you have
the right to know that what ever the marks that one obtain in exam are
not your actual marks but moderated marks. At times marks may be
increased or even decreased. Its the matter of policy that how
moderation is to be done. Factors like difficulty of question paper,
error in question in question paper, accademic trends and other such
factors are taken into consideration while moderating the exam result.
Benifit or loss is extended to all regardless  of one's disability,
cast, gender and social background.



Will someone tell me if a VI student is not getting reasonable
education who is to be blaimed? By reasonable education I mean
getting quality accessable study material on time, study material free
from errors, quality teaching, eas in accessing books, guides, or any
other such educational material. Half of the time of VI student is
spent on gathering accessable study material, scanning it, get editing
done. When will that student learn and crystalise the concepts. When
will s/he will get time to revise? Of course conceptual clarity will
not be there and which will be apparent in the answer scripts and term
papers. Grace marks is their right. Right to education is our
fundamental right and right to quality life is also our right.  That
is to say Right to accessable education is a fundamental right of a
student with disability. If this right to accessable education is
infringed well it requires that what ever harm have caused to student
with disability has to be compensated

I'm against grace marks but I'll continue to favour them unless
students with disability do not get education with all the acomodation
that they require. Yes all acomodation not reasonable acomodation.
Reasonable acomodation has done more harm than solving the problems.
Reasonable acomodation is a  convenient term to expend ingenuity in
fabricating loop wholes in order to  escape inclusive system.



On 1/13/16, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Very fruitful discussion indeed! In my views, typing, writers and
> recording should co- exist. Our so-called special schools are far from
> achieving some success with maths even at SSE level hence we can't
> just expect that every student can type equations as fluently as
> he/she can dictate to a writer. Similarly, In case of regional
> languages, Use of recording devices can make the process rather easier
> for visually impaired participants as compared to dictation as well as
> typing.
>
> Regards,
> Ajay
>
> On 1/13/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
>> Very constructive discussion is on. I'd agree that Blind People
>> Organisations in Maharashtra should meet Education Minister and
>> suggest necessary corrections in the GR in written form. The CBSE has
>> provision for ensuring the availability of computer with enabled
>> assistive tools to write one's exam. However I'm not sure about the
>> efficiency of Marathi-screen reading software. The provision of scribe
>> should not be discontinued. Moreover, if needed,the questionpapers
>> should be provided in Braille.
>> On 1/13/16, bala9119  wrote:
>>> First of all, I appreciate Mr. Vinod Tawde for bringing the necessity
>>> of change or evolution in conducting exams for the disabled to the
>>> limelight. recording the answers should be one of the options not the
>>> mandatory. strict no to liberal or grace marks. instead of straight up
>>> criticisms to the suggestions, it would be better if the civil society
>>> organizations of blind speak to Mr. Tawde to explain the drawbacks of
>>> the system so that a constructive change may happened. I generally
>>> oppose the system of scribes and particularly anti towards the print
>>> impaired bringing their own scribe. a person who finding difficult to
>>> frame a sentence is a probationary officer in many banks now is what
>>> the bitter truth which some of you may disagree. because of such
>>> malpractice, the eligible, legitimate print impaired people are
>>> suffering a lot. if we want to maintain the scribe system, better we
>>> have to push for the governments to provide eligible person who know
>>> to read and write without difficulties and a separate invigilator for
>>> each print impaired candidate. without strengthening the invigilation,
>>> offering the candidate to bring their own scribe is like providing the
>>> cheatcode to win the game. now its in our hands to move. we must
>>> launch necessary campaigns or measures with a focus on flexible mode
>>> of giving exams for the disabled instead of a single method. those who
>>> want braille, let them write in braille. those who want to record let
>>> them get. those who want computers let it be granted. those who want
>>> scribes, let the government provide an eligible scribe with an
>>> impartial invigilator. finally, I personally don't believe in the
>>> universal or identical mode of giving exams for the pri

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Ajay Minocha]

Hi,

Very fruitful discussion indeed! In my views, typing, writers and
recording should co- exist. Our so-called special schools are far from
achieving some success with maths even at SSE level hence we can't
just expect that every student can type equations as fluently as
he/she can dictate to a writer. Similarly, In case of regional
languages, Use of recording devices can make the process rather easier
for visually impaired participants as compared to dictation as well as
typing.

Regards,
Ajay

On 1/13/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
> Very constructive discussion is on. I'd agree that Blind People
> Organisations in Maharashtra should meet Education Minister and
> suggest necessary corrections in the GR in written form. The CBSE has
> provision for ensuring the availability of computer with enabled
> assistive tools to write one's exam. However I'm not sure about the
> efficiency of Marathi-screen reading software. The provision of scribe
> should not be discontinued. Moreover, if needed,the questionpapers
> should be provided in Braille.
> On 1/13/16, bala9119  wrote:
>> First of all, I appreciate Mr. Vinod Tawde for bringing the necessity
>> of change or evolution in conducting exams for the disabled to the
>> limelight. recording the answers should be one of the options not the
>> mandatory. strict no to liberal or grace marks. instead of straight up
>> criticisms to the suggestions, it would be better if the civil society
>> organizations of blind speak to Mr. Tawde to explain the drawbacks of
>> the system so that a constructive change may happened. I generally
>> oppose the system of scribes and particularly anti towards the print
>> impaired bringing their own scribe. a person who finding difficult to
>> frame a sentence is a probationary officer in many banks now is what
>> the bitter truth which some of you may disagree. because of such
>> malpractice, the eligible, legitimate print impaired people are
>> suffering a lot. if we want to maintain the scribe system, better we
>> have to push for the governments to provide eligible person who know
>> to read and write without difficulties and a separate invigilator for
>> each print impaired candidate. without strengthening the invigilation,
>> offering the candidate to bring their own scribe is like providing the
>> cheatcode to win the game. now its in our hands to move. we must
>> launch necessary campaigns or measures with a focus on flexible mode
>> of giving exams for the disabled instead of a single method. those who
>> want braille, let them write in braille. those who want to record let
>> them get. those who want computers let it be granted. those who want
>> scribes, let the government provide an eligible scribe with an
>> impartial invigilator. finally, I personally don't believe in the
>> universal or identical mode of giving exams for the print impaired but
>> the universal purpose that is impartial, equal treatment in the
>> society.
>> cheers.
>> On 1/12/16, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>>> Times of India:
>>>
>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
>>> Abhishek Choudhari
>>>  | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
>>> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
>>> additional supplement.
>>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
>>> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This
>>> new
>>> rule
>>> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
>>> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>>>
>>> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
>>> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they
>>> can
>>> get a feel
>>> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
>>> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For
>>> all
>>> special
>>> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
>>> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks,
>>> facility
>>> of
>>> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc.
>>> Students
>>> suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and hearing,
>>> physical
>>> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
>>> these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special
>>> needs
>>> have
>>> been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office
>>> for
>>> details.
>>>
>>> सादर / With thanks & Regards
>>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
>>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
>>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
>>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
>>> नागपुर Nagpur
>>>
>>> 0712 2806846
>>>
>>> President
>>> VIBEWA
>>> Co-Moderator
>>> VIB-India
>>>
>>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and
>>> laughter.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[avinash shahi]

Very constructive discussion is on. I'd agree that Blind People
Organisations in Maharashtra should meet Education Minister and
suggest necessary corrections in the GR in written form. The CBSE has
provision for ensuring the availability of computer with enabled
assistive tools to write one's exam. However I'm not sure about the
efficiency of Marathi-screen reading software. The provision of scribe
should not be discontinued. Moreover, if needed,the questionpapers
should be provided in Braille.
On 1/13/16, bala9119  wrote:
> First of all, I appreciate Mr. Vinod Tawde for bringing the necessity
> of change or evolution in conducting exams for the disabled to the
> limelight. recording the answers should be one of the options not the
> mandatory. strict no to liberal or grace marks. instead of straight up
> criticisms to the suggestions, it would be better if the civil society
> organizations of blind speak to Mr. Tawde to explain the drawbacks of
> the system so that a constructive change may happened. I generally
> oppose the system of scribes and particularly anti towards the print
> impaired bringing their own scribe. a person who finding difficult to
> frame a sentence is a probationary officer in many banks now is what
> the bitter truth which some of you may disagree. because of such
> malpractice, the eligible, legitimate print impaired people are
> suffering a lot. if we want to maintain the scribe system, better we
> have to push for the governments to provide eligible person who know
> to read and write without difficulties and a separate invigilator for
> each print impaired candidate. without strengthening the invigilation,
> offering the candidate to bring their own scribe is like providing the
> cheatcode to win the game. now its in our hands to move. we must
> launch necessary campaigns or measures with a focus on flexible mode
> of giving exams for the disabled instead of a single method. those who
> want braille, let them write in braille. those who want to record let
> them get. those who want computers let it be granted. those who want
> scribes, let the government provide an eligible scribe with an
> impartial invigilator. finally, I personally don't believe in the
> universal or identical mode of giving exams for the print impaired but
> the universal purpose that is impartial, equal treatment in the
> society.
> cheers.
> On 1/12/16, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>> Times of India:
>>
>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
>> Abhishek Choudhari
>>  | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
>> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
>> additional supplement.
>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
>> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This
>> new
>> rule
>> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
>> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>>
>> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
>> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can
>> get a feel
>> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
>> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all
>> special
>> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
>> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks,
>> facility
>> of
>> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc.
>> Students
>> suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and hearing,
>> physical
>> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
>> these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special
>> needs
>> have
>> been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for
>> details.
>>
>> सादर / With thanks & Regards
>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
>> नागपुर Nagpur
>>
>> 0712 2806846
>>
>> President
>> VIBEWA
>> Co-Moderator
>> VIB-India
>>
>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and
>> laughter.
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[bala9119]

First of all, I appreciate Mr. Vinod Tawde for bringing the necessity
of change or evolution in conducting exams for the disabled to the
limelight. recording the answers should be one of the options not the
mandatory. strict no to liberal or grace marks. instead of straight up
criticisms to the suggestions, it would be better if the civil society
organizations of blind speak to Mr. Tawde to explain the drawbacks of
the system so that a constructive change may happened. I generally
oppose the system of scribes and particularly anti towards the print
impaired bringing their own scribe. a person who finding difficult to
frame a sentence is a probationary officer in many banks now is what
the bitter truth which some of you may disagree. because of such
malpractice, the eligible, legitimate print impaired people are
suffering a lot. if we want to maintain the scribe system, better we
have to push for the governments to provide eligible person who know
to read and write without difficulties and a separate invigilator for
each print impaired candidate. without strengthening the invigilation,
offering the candidate to bring their own scribe is like providing the
cheatcode to win the game. now its in our hands to move. we must
launch necessary campaigns or measures with a focus on flexible mode
of giving exams for the disabled instead of a single method. those who
want braille, let them write in braille. those who want to record let
them get. those who want computers let it be granted. those who want
scribes, let the government provide an eligible scribe with an
impartial invigilator. finally, I personally don't believe in the
universal or identical mode of giving exams for the print impaired but
the universal purpose that is impartial, equal treatment in the
society.
cheers.
On 1/12/16, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> Times of India:
>
> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
> Abhishek Choudhari
>  | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
> additional supplement.
> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This new
> rule
> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>
> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can
> get a feel
> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all
> special
> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, facility
> of
> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc. Students
> suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and hearing,
> physical
> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
> these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special needs
> have
> been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for
> details.
>
> सादर / With thanks & Regards
> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
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> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
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>
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>
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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[P. Subramani]

when other groups are getting various benefits, nothing wrong in 
blind/disabled getting liberal corrections, grace marks, etc.,   afterall, 
when abled are getting benefits, we should more than others.

E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
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- Original Message - 
From: "Dr.B.S.M.Kumar" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled." 

Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers



Hi
I am not for liberal correction and grace marking for us. I don't
think we are beggars. Let
there be uniform corrections. We require only assistance to express
our knowledge in written form through a good scribes. Alternativly, we
should make the authorities to move towards computer based exam with
the help of screen readers. This will also eliminate our dependency on
others. I, feel, we all should focus towards making the government to
creating the infrastructure for computer based examination format.
Regards,



On 1/13/16, Amiyo Biswas  wrote:
Of course, it is a positive step. But I think, for public exams where 
only
multiple choice questions have to be ansered, Braille is the best option 
for
those who know it. I appeared at the SSC exam in 1988 where I was 
supplied

questions in Braille, grade 1 english and Hindi. I had to tick mark the
correct answers with the help of a sketch pen.

This is not possible for the board exams. But for other competitive 
exams, I
think, we should demand Braille questions. It will save us the harassment 
of

finding a scribe and we can attend the exam much better.

With best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cel: 9433464329
- Original Message -
From: "George Abraham" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerningthe disabled.'" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers



Another issue. Liberal evaluation and grace marks,would be interested on
the group's views!

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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of Rajesh H Mehta
Sent: 12 January 2016 14:33
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning


the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

IN my views, allowing recording answers is surely a welcome move due to
which dependency on writer would surely be reduced. However this could
further complex the writing skills of VI individuals. Due to just
recording the answers spellings would further become week. No doubt, 
this

could surely looked as positive move as now writer would not decide what
to write and certainly VI would able to claim everything as per his/her
ability rather then keep on putting every thing on writers.





From:   "George Abraham" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning      the disabled.'" 
Date:   01/12/2016 01:57 PM
Subject:Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
Sent by:"AccessIndia" 



Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.
Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers

Times of India:

Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
Abhishek Choudhari
| TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
additional supplement.
Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This
new rule
is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.

Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they 
can

get a feel
of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent 
for
evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For 
all

special
needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks,
facility of
talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc.
Students suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and
hearing, physical
disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special
needs have
been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office 
for

details.

सादर / Wi

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[sanjay]

As teachers They aare familiar with different handwritings.  Now they have 
to develop listening skills as well.  They also have to spend hours to 
evaluate these audio answer papers.

This is nothing but another way of hiding our educational backwardness.

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From: "Rajesh H Mehta" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
thedisabled." 

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers



It is equally challenging for teacher while checking different hand
writings.




From:   "li...@srinivasu.org" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning  the disabled." 
Date:   01/12/2016 02:51 PM
Subject:    Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
Sent by:"AccessIndia" 



One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be good
to provide options like use of computer or recording. Sensitising
examination authorities would also be needed to avoid bitter experience.

I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as accent
may vary.

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
Sent from my iPhone 5C


On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:

Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On

Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh

Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues

concerning the disabled.

Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers

Times of India:

Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
Abhishek Choudhari
| TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a

candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
additional supplement.

Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record

their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This
new rule

is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs

students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.


Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the

questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can
get a feel

of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent

for evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For
all special

needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20

minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks,
facility of

talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc.

Students suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and
hearing, physical

disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given

these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special
needs have

been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office

for details.


सादर / With thanks & Regards
राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
नागपुर Nagpur

0712 2806846

President
VIBEWA
Co-Moderator
VIB-India

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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Vedprakash]

This recording system is simply not applicable.
Some of the reasons I have already mentioned. Mentioning below some more:
1. Sighted evaluaters are not very comfortable with giving marks by listening 
to the answers. If they miss some word, they are not going to rewine and listen 
again. I am a teacher and hence know a lot about these checking centers and 
checkers.
2. During unseen passages, if one has to match words in a table, what is the 
option? The student can match the words by speaking the both words together, 
but the checker will get confused.
3. Generally, the checker takes ten minutes at an average to finish an answer 
sheet. But in case of recorded answer sheets, more time is required. So there 
is always a danger that the evaluater will put the marks without listening the 
whole recording.
4. Generally, marks are put after each section at the answer sheet and hence 
the checker keeps the record of the questions answered. In the recorded answer, 
it is not easy to count as to how many questions and parts thereof have been 
attempted.

Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Arjun Malhotra
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:35 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

This is a positive step. I say so because at least they are taking some 
innitiative. Although there are certain challenges in recording answers. It is 
no surprise  that CBSE has allowed recording answer as CCPD guidelines have 
been followed as it is. Yes CCPD's examination guidelines provide for recording 
as a means of taking exam.

About the challenges, first thing come to my mind is sheer time taken by 
examiner to evaluate the answers. On an average an examiner takes
5-15 minutes to evaluate  the answer script. One may say since recording the 
answer is matter of policy and board is the best judge of managing it's affair. 
Secondly I feer that those students who have polished accents may be at 
advantagious position as compared to those who are  not polished as far as 
oratory skills are concerned. This may undermine the merit. However you may 
argue that students with bad hand writing also suffers and it is important for  
a visually challenged student to work upon his oratory skills before opting for 
such mode of taking exam. . My third concern pertains to background 
disturbances.
I'm optimistic that examination centers will not be in position of providing 
sound proof rooms and not even quiter places. Anyways rumble of an engine, 
shreek of an horn, school bell will be recorded along side the answer and will 
surely affect the over all experience. My 4th concern is that will there be any 
takers of this mode of taking exam?
and I  can only hope this mode remains an option out of many such options and 
should not become "only option" in those cases where students relies on either 
school or examination centers for arranging the scribes.

best
Arjun M

On 1/12/16, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
> What about reading of the question paper. Is going to be prerecorded 
> in a tape, or will it be read by a human assistance. If human 
> assistance is needed, then what is the sense of recording the answer 
> in a tape. If prerecorded, then as commented earlier lot of rewinding 
> and forwarding to listen to the questions.
>
> On 1/12/16, Vamshi. G  wrote:
>> But George sir,  won't it be unfair towards sighted to make them 
>> write on computers for the sake of visually impaired?  Hand writing 
>> is a very important aspect, especially during childhood.  Just like 
>> we find number of flaws in a method suggested for the blind by 
>> someone who is not familiar with the field, a sighted person will 
>> have number of arguements against writing exams on computers in place 
>> of hand writing.  I was reasonably sighted during my childhood for 
>> writing exams on my own.  Don't want to miss on that fun.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, George Abraham  wrote:
>>> A universal examination method has to be evolved. Recording   on tape
>>> seems
>>> to have a number of draw backs.
>>>
>>> I believe the system should move towards all students writing exams 
>>> using computers. This will not happen overnight. It will take time. 
>>> But there is a need to head that way. I do not believe that blind 
>>> students must not be singled out for special treatment.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> Behalf Of Vamshi. G
>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 20:55
>>> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
>>> accessibi

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Dr.B.S.M.Kumar]

Hi
I am not for liberal correction and grace marking for us. I don't
think we are beggars. Let
there be uniform corrections. We require only assistance to express
our knowledge in written form through a good scribes. Alternativly, we
should make the authorities to move towards computer based exam with
the help of screen readers. This will also eliminate our dependency on
others. I, feel, we all should focus towards making the government to
creating the infrastructure for computer based examination format.
Regards,



On 1/13/16, Amiyo Biswas  wrote:
> Of course, it is a positive step. But I think, for public exams where only
> multiple choice questions have to be ansered, Braille is the best option for
> those who know it. I appeared at the SSC exam in 1988 where I was supplied
> questions in Braille, grade 1 english and Hindi. I had to tick mark the
> correct answers with the help of a sketch pen.
>
> This is not possible for the board exams. But for other competitive exams, I
> think, we should demand Braille questions. It will save us the harassment of
> finding a scribe and we can attend the exam much better.
>
> With best regards,
> Amiyo Biswas
> Cel: 9433464329
> - Original Message -
> From: "George Abraham" 
> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled.'" 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
>
>> Another issue. Liberal evaluation and grace marks,would be interested on
>> the group's views!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Rajesh H Mehta
>> Sent: 12 January 2016 14:33
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>>
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>> IN my views, allowing recording answers is surely a welcome move due to
>> which dependency on writer would surely be reduced. However this could
>> further complex the writing skills of VI individuals. Due to just
>> recording the answers spellings would further become week. No doubt, this
>> could surely looked as positive move as now writer would not decide what
>> to write and certainly VI would able to claim everything as per his/her
>> ability rather then keep on putting every thing on writers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:   "George Abraham" 
>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning  the disabled.'" 
>> Date:   01/12/2016 01:57 PM
>> Subject:Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>> Sent by:"AccessIndia" 
>>
>>
>>
>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>> Times of India:
>>
>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
>> Abhishek Choudhari
>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
>> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
>> additional supplement.
>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
>> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This
>> new rule
>> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
>> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>>
>> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
>> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can
>> get a feel
>> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
>> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all
>> special
>> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
>> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks,
>> facility of
>> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc.
>> Students suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and
>> hearing, physical
>> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
>> these examination conc

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[payal]

I agree here about the importance of handwriting, it is a dying art just like 
Braille is threatening to become. 
Recording answers will hamper the train of thought, as far as I can see. It is 
often seen a student does much better when asked to write than to speak out. 
This will also end up being just memorizing by roat to reproduce verbatim. No 
time to think, weigh and analyse answers. 
Personally, I see no merit in this method. As for grace marks, that is like a 
pat on the head for a job they know you won't be able to do right, or as well 
as the sighted counterparts would.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Vamshi. G
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 9:33 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

But George sir,  won't it be unfair towards sighted to make them write
on computers for the sake of visually impaired?  Hand writing is a
very important aspect, especially during childhood.  Just like we find
number of flaws in a method suggested for the blind by someone who is
not familiar with the field, a sighted person will have number of
arguements against writing exams on computers in place of hand
writing.  I was reasonably sighted during my childhood for writing
exams on my own.  Don't want to miss on that fun.

On 1/12/16, George Abraham  wrote:
> A universal examination method has to be evolved. Recording   on tape seems
> to have a number of draw backs.
>
> I believe the system should move towards all students writing exams using
> computers. This will not happen overnight. It will take time. But there is a
> need to head that way. I do not believe that blind students must not be
> singled out for special treatment.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Vamshi. G
> Sent: 12 January 2016 20:55
> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
> accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
> Every person good at writing need not be so in talking and vice versa.
> Though confidence in speaking might not be a factor in evaluation, the
> fact that recording is going on might not be comfortable for everyone.
> Besides, I always feel evaluater knowing that the paper belongs to a
> visually impaired is not desirable.  People tend to value performance
> of disabled a bit higher than that of non-disabled.  But writing exam
> on computer also has this drawback.
>
> As far as other add on benefits like liberal evaluation, grace marks
> are concerned, a strict no to them!  The whole idea of enabling
> environment is lost with these activities.
>
>
> On 1/12/16, Vedprakash  wrote:
>> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
>> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
>> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people pronounce
>> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
>> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process of
>> thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak
>> flawlessly and continuously.
>> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the
>> recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
>> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
>> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled. 
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't
>> work
>> when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
>> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the same
>> time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good
>> marks on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the
>> poor
>> preparation and/or negligence of the students.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
>>> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
>>> typing would be fair instead of recording.
>>> the Sighted write so we should type!
>>> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
>>> case of English Language.
>>> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
&

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Amiyo Biswas]

Of course, it is a positive step. But I think, for public exams where only 
multiple choice questions have to be ansered, Braille is the best option for 
those who know it. I appeared at the SSC exam in 1988 where I was supplied 
questions in Braille, grade 1 english and Hindi. I had to tick mark the 
correct answers with the help of a sketch pen.


This is not possible for the board exams. But for other competitive exams, I 
think, we should demand Braille questions. It will save us the harassment of 
finding a scribe and we can attend the exam much better.


With best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cel: 9433464329
- Original Message - 
From: "George Abraham" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.'" 

Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers


Another issue. Liberal evaluation and grace marks,would be interested on 
the group's views!


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Rajesh H Mehta

Sent: 12 January 2016 14:33
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

IN my views, allowing recording answers is surely a welcome move due to
which dependency on writer would surely be reduced. However this could
further complex the writing skills of VI individuals. Due to just
recording the answers spellings would further become week. No doubt, this
could surely looked as positive move as now writer would not decide what
to write and certainly VI would able to claim everything as per his/her
ability rather then keep on putting every thing on writers.





From:   "George Abraham" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning  the disabled.'" 
Date:   01/12/2016 01:57 PM
Subject:Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
Sent by:"AccessIndia" 



Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
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the disabled.
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Times of India:

Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
Abhishek Choudhari
| TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
additional supplement.
Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This
new rule
is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.

Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can
get a feel
of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all
special
needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks,
facility of
talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc.
Students suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and
hearing, physical
disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special
needs have
been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for
details.

सादर / With thanks & Regards
राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
नागपुर Nagpur

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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[George Abraham]

Another issue. Liberal evaluation and grace marks,would be interested on the 
group's views! 

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Rajesh H Mehta
Sent: 12 January 2016 14:33
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Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

IN my views, allowing recording answers is surely a welcome move due to 
which dependency on writer would surely be reduced. However this could 
further complex the writing skills of VI individuals. Due to just 
recording the answers spellings would further become week. No doubt, this 
could surely looked as positive move as now writer would not decide what 
to write and certainly VI would able to claim everything as per his/her 
ability rather then keep on putting every thing on writers.





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Date:   01/12/2016 01:57 PM
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Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!

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Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
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Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers

Times of India:

Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
Abhishek Choudhari
 | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a 
candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of 
additional supplement.
Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record 
their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This 
new rule
is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs 
students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.

Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the 
questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can 
get a feel
of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for 
evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all 
special
needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20 
minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, 
facility of
talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc. 
Students suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and 
hearing, physical
disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given 
these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special 
needs have
been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for 
details.

सादर / With thanks & Regards
राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
नागपुर Nagpur

0712 2806846

President
VIBEWA
Co-Moderator
VIB-India

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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Kanchan Pamnani]

I am happy to read the discussion and the realistic analysis. I am also 
surprised that it has taken so long. according to the best of my knowledge  it 
was introduced in the 2008 discussion which is recorded in the Minutes which 
has been shared on this list many times. Many senior VI were part of this 
discussion. Yes arjan later on it formed the Guidelines of 2013 and then it was 
incorporated in the maharashtra guidelines in 2014. 
I was a part of the 2008  Meeting and I was horrified when it was first 
mentioned but at that time my brief was to ensure 20 minutes per extra hour and 
to see that the scribe qualification was minimised.  So at every stage Vidhya 
there has been some stake holder involved. yes it came from the bureaucracy but 
none of us objected. I wanted to see if it was ever going to be used. I havent 
heard of even one case until now of someone asking for audio recording.
has anyone heard of a candidate asking the UPSC for examination in braille for 
the civil services. This has been directed by the Supreme Court in 1993.
Some of these guidelines are for flexibility.
Maybe we should think of a VI Examinee with upper limb disability?
George instead of standardisation  we could think of reasonable accommodation. 
  Kanchan 


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Arjun Malhotra
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 12:35 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

This is a positive step. I say so because at least they are taking
some innitiative. Although there are certain challenges in recording
answers. It is no surprise  that CBSE has allowed recording answer as
CCPD guidelines have been followed as it is. Yes CCPD's examination
guidelines provide for recording as a means of taking exam.

About the challenges, first thing come to my mind is sheer time taken
by examiner to evaluate the answers. On an average an examiner takes
5-15 minutes to evaluate  the answer script. One may say since
recording the answer is matter of policy and board is the best judge
of managing it's affair. Secondly I feer that those students who have
polished accents may be at advantagious position as compared to those
who are  not polished as far as oratory skills are concerned. This may
undermine the merit. However you may argue that students with bad hand
writing also suffers and it is important for  a visually challenged
student to work upon his oratory skills before opting for such mode of
taking exam. . My third concern pertains to background disturbances.
I'm optimistic that examination centers will not be in position of
providing sound proof rooms and not even quiter places. Anyways rumble
of an engine, shreek of an horn, school bell will be recorded along
side the answer and will surely affect the over all experience. My 4th
concern is that will there be any takers of this mode of taking exam?
and I  can only hope this mode remains an option out of many such
options and should not become "only option" in those cases where
students relies on either school or examination centers for arranging
the scribes.

best
Arjun M

On 1/12/16, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
> What about reading of the question paper. Is going to be prerecorded
> in a tape, or will it be read by a human assistance. If human
> assistance is needed, then what is the sense of recording the answer
> in a tape. If prerecorded, then as commented earlier lot of rewinding
> and forwarding to listen to the questions.
>
> On 1/12/16, Vamshi. G  wrote:
>> But George sir,  won't it be unfair towards sighted to make them write
>> on computers for the sake of visually impaired?  Hand writing is a
>> very important aspect, especially during childhood.  Just like we find
>> number of flaws in a method suggested for the blind by someone who is
>> not familiar with the field, a sighted person will have number of
>> arguements against writing exams on computers in place of hand
>> writing.  I was reasonably sighted during my childhood for writing
>> exams on my own.  Don't want to miss on that fun.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, George Abraham  wrote:
>>> A universal examination method has to be evolved. Recording   on tape
>>> seems
>>> to have a number of draw backs.
>>>
>>> I believe the system should move towards all students writing exams using
>>> computers. This will not happen overnight. It will take time. But there
>>> is
>>> a
>>> need to head that way. I do not believe that blind students must not be
>>> singled out for special treatment.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Arjun Malhotra]

This is a positive step. I say so because at least they are taking
some innitiative. Although there are certain challenges in recording
answers. It is no surprise  that CBSE has allowed recording answer as
CCPD guidelines have been followed as it is. Yes CCPD's examination
guidelines provide for recording as a means of taking exam.

About the challenges, first thing come to my mind is sheer time taken
by examiner to evaluate the answers. On an average an examiner takes
5-15 minutes to evaluate  the answer script. One may say since
recording the answer is matter of policy and board is the best judge
of managing it's affair. Secondly I feer that those students who have
polished accents may be at advantagious position as compared to those
who are  not polished as far as oratory skills are concerned. This may
undermine the merit. However you may argue that students with bad hand
writing also suffers and it is important for  a visually challenged
student to work upon his oratory skills before opting for such mode of
taking exam. . My third concern pertains to background disturbances.
I'm optimistic that examination centers will not be in position of
providing sound proof rooms and not even quiter places. Anyways rumble
of an engine, shreek of an horn, school bell will be recorded along
side the answer and will surely affect the over all experience. My 4th
concern is that will there be any takers of this mode of taking exam?
and I  can only hope this mode remains an option out of many such
options and should not become "only option" in those cases where
students relies on either school or examination centers for arranging
the scribes.

best
Arjun M

On 1/12/16, Pinkesh Tailor  wrote:
> What about reading of the question paper. Is going to be prerecorded
> in a tape, or will it be read by a human assistance. If human
> assistance is needed, then what is the sense of recording the answer
> in a tape. If prerecorded, then as commented earlier lot of rewinding
> and forwarding to listen to the questions.
>
> On 1/12/16, Vamshi. G  wrote:
>> But George sir,  won't it be unfair towards sighted to make them write
>> on computers for the sake of visually impaired?  Hand writing is a
>> very important aspect, especially during childhood.  Just like we find
>> number of flaws in a method suggested for the blind by someone who is
>> not familiar with the field, a sighted person will have number of
>> arguements against writing exams on computers in place of hand
>> writing.  I was reasonably sighted during my childhood for writing
>> exams on my own.  Don't want to miss on that fun.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, George Abraham  wrote:
>>> A universal examination method has to be evolved. Recording   on tape
>>> seems
>>> to have a number of draw backs.
>>>
>>> I believe the system should move towards all students writing exams using
>>> computers. This will not happen overnight. It will take time. But there
>>> is
>>> a
>>> need to head that way. I do not believe that blind students must not be
>>> singled out for special treatment.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Vamshi. G
>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 20:55
>>> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>>> accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>> Every person good at writing need not be so in talking and vice versa.
>>> Though confidence in speaking might not be a factor in evaluation, the
>>> fact that recording is going on might not be comfortable for everyone.
>>> Besides, I always feel evaluater knowing that the paper belongs to a
>>> visually impaired is not desirable.  People tend to value performance
>>> of disabled a bit higher than that of non-disabled.  But writing exam
>>> on computer also has this drawback.
>>>
>>> As far as other add on benefits like liberal evaluation, grace marks
>>> are concerned, a strict no to them!  The whole idea of enabling
>>> environment is lost with these activities.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/12/16, Vedprakash  wrote:
>>>> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
>>>> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
>>>> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people
>>>> pronounce
>>>> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
>>>> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process
>>>> of
>>>> thinking. Either you pause th

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Pinkesh Tailor]

What about reading of the question paper. Is going to be prerecorded
in a tape, or will it be read by a human assistance. If human
assistance is needed, then what is the sense of recording the answer
in a tape. If prerecorded, then as commented earlier lot of rewinding
and forwarding to listen to the questions.

On 1/12/16, Vamshi. G  wrote:
> But George sir,  won't it be unfair towards sighted to make them write
> on computers for the sake of visually impaired?  Hand writing is a
> very important aspect, especially during childhood.  Just like we find
> number of flaws in a method suggested for the blind by someone who is
> not familiar with the field, a sighted person will have number of
> arguements against writing exams on computers in place of hand
> writing.  I was reasonably sighted during my childhood for writing
> exams on my own.  Don't want to miss on that fun.
>
> On 1/12/16, George Abraham  wrote:
>> A universal examination method has to be evolved. Recording   on tape
>> seems
>> to have a number of draw backs.
>>
>> I believe the system should move towards all students writing exams using
>> computers. This will not happen overnight. It will take time. But there is
>> a
>> need to head that way. I do not believe that blind students must not be
>> singled out for special treatment.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Vamshi. G
>> Sent: 12 January 2016 20:55
>> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
>> accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>> Every person good at writing need not be so in talking and vice versa.
>> Though confidence in speaking might not be a factor in evaluation, the
>> fact that recording is going on might not be comfortable for everyone.
>> Besides, I always feel evaluater knowing that the paper belongs to a
>> visually impaired is not desirable.  People tend to value performance
>> of disabled a bit higher than that of non-disabled.  But writing exam
>> on computer also has this drawback.
>>
>> As far as other add on benefits like liberal evaluation, grace marks
>> are concerned, a strict no to them!  The whole idea of enabling
>> environment is lost with these activities.
>>
>>
>> On 1/12/16, Vedprakash  wrote:
>>> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
>>> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
>>> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people
>>> pronounce
>>> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
>>> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process
>>> of
>>> thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak
>>> flawlessly and continuously.
>>> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the
>>> recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
>>> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
>>> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled. 
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't
>>> work
>>> when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
>>> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the
>>> same
>>> time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good
>>> marks on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the
>>> poor
>>> preparation and/or negligence of the students.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
>>>> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
>>>> typing would be fair instead of recording.
>>>> the Sighted write so we should type!
>>>> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
>>>> case of English Language.
>>>> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
>>>> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
>>>> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Vamshi. G]

But George sir,  won't it be unfair towards sighted to make them write
on computers for the sake of visually impaired?  Hand writing is a
very important aspect, especially during childhood.  Just like we find
number of flaws in a method suggested for the blind by someone who is
not familiar with the field, a sighted person will have number of
arguements against writing exams on computers in place of hand
writing.  I was reasonably sighted during my childhood for writing
exams on my own.  Don't want to miss on that fun.

On 1/12/16, George Abraham  wrote:
> A universal examination method has to be evolved. Recording   on tape seems
> to have a number of draw backs.
>
> I believe the system should move towards all students writing exams using
> computers. This will not happen overnight. It will take time. But there is a
> need to head that way. I do not believe that blind students must not be
> singled out for special treatment.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Vamshi. G
> Sent: 12 January 2016 20:55
> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
> accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
> Every person good at writing need not be so in talking and vice versa.
> Though confidence in speaking might not be a factor in evaluation, the
> fact that recording is going on might not be comfortable for everyone.
> Besides, I always feel evaluater knowing that the paper belongs to a
> visually impaired is not desirable.  People tend to value performance
> of disabled a bit higher than that of non-disabled.  But writing exam
> on computer also has this drawback.
>
> As far as other add on benefits like liberal evaluation, grace marks
> are concerned, a strict no to them!  The whole idea of enabling
> environment is lost with these activities.
>
>
> On 1/12/16, Vedprakash  wrote:
>> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
>> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
>> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people pronounce
>> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
>> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process of
>> thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak
>> flawlessly and continuously.
>> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the
>> recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
>> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
>> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled. 
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't
>> work
>> when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
>> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the same
>> time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good
>> marks on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the
>> poor
>> preparation and/or negligence of the students.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
>>> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
>>> typing would be fair instead of recording.
>>> the Sighted write so we should type!
>>> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
>>> case of English Language.
>>> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
>>> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
>>> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
>>> to all special Students.
>>> which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
>>> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
>>> complex disabilities!
>>> many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
>>> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
>>> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.
>>>
>>> On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
>>>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
>>>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
>>>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inse

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[George Abraham]

A universal examination method has to be evolved. Recording   on tape seems to 
have a number of draw backs. 

I believe the system should move towards all students writing exams using 
computers. This will not happen overnight. It will take time. But there is a 
need to head that way. I do not believe that blind students must not be singled 
out for special treatment. 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Vamshi. G
Sent: 12 January 2016 20:55
To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

Every person good at writing need not be so in talking and vice versa.
Though confidence in speaking might not be a factor in evaluation, the
fact that recording is going on might not be comfortable for everyone.
Besides, I always feel evaluater knowing that the paper belongs to a
visually impaired is not desirable.  People tend to value performance
of disabled a bit higher than that of non-disabled.  But writing exam
on computer also has this drawback.

As far as other add on benefits like liberal evaluation, grace marks
are concerned, a strict no to them!  The whole idea of enabling
environment is lost with these activities.


On 1/12/16, Vedprakash  wrote:
> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people pronounce
> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process of
> thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak
> flawlessly and continuously.
> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the
> recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled. 
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't work
> when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the same
> time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good
> marks on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the poor
> preparation and/or negligence of the students.
>
> Regards.
>
>
> On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
>> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
>> typing would be fair instead of recording.
>> the Sighted write so we should type!
>> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
>> case of English Language.
>> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
>> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
>> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
>> to all special Students.
>> which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
>> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
>> complex disabilities!
>> many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
>> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
>> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
>>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
>>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
>>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
>>> tedius and time consuming.
>>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
>>>
>>> On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
>>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer
>>>> writing or exam in Braille.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning the disabled.
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>
>>>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be
>>>> good to provide options like use of computer or reco

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Rohiet A. Patil]

It is definitely a nice development. But I see some big challenges in it.
First of all, it will be a challenging job for the evaluator to make 
evaluation of a recorded answer sheet. Because every one's pronunciations 
may not be perfect. I know some people who literally mumble and we have to 
take special efforts to understand there speech. Further, sighted people do 
not poses that type of listening skill like a visually challenge.
Secondly, recording and dictation are totally different things from each 
other. Because, while dictating to our writer, we can have a chance to think 
in between two sentences about what we are going to say next. We can also 
correct if something goes wrong.
Thirdly, Some papers like English have passages which we have to read and 
answer the question. How a blind person can record his/her answers for this 
type of questions?

Those things should be think seriously.
Rohiet Patil
Cell:+919850831774
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concerningthe disabled.

Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers

Times of India:

Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
Abhishek Choudhari
| TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a 
candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of 
additional supplement.
Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record 
their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This new 
rule
is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs 
students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.


Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the 
questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can 
get a feel
of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for 
evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all 
special
needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20 
minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, facility 
of
talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc. Students 
suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and hearing, 
physical
disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given 
these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special needs 
have
been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for 
details.


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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Vamshi. G]

Every person good at writing need not be so in talking and vice versa.
Though confidence in speaking might not be a factor in evaluation, the
fact that recording is going on might not be comfortable for everyone.
Besides, I always feel evaluater knowing that the paper belongs to a
visually impaired is not desirable.  People tend to value performance
of disabled a bit higher than that of non-disabled.  But writing exam
on computer also has this drawback.

As far as other add on benefits like liberal evaluation, grace marks
are concerned, a strict no to them!  The whole idea of enabling
environment is lost with these activities.


On 1/12/16, Vedprakash  wrote:
> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people pronounce
> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process of
> thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak
> flawlessly and continuously.
> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the
> recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled. 
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't work
> when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the same
> time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good
> marks on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the poor
> preparation and/or negligence of the students.
>
> Regards.
>
>
> On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
>> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
>> typing would be fair instead of recording.
>> the Sighted write so we should type!
>> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
>> case of English Language.
>> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
>> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
>> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
>> to all special Students.
>> which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
>> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
>> complex disabilities!
>> many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
>> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
>> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
>>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
>>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
>>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
>>> tedius and time consuming.
>>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
>>>
>>> On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
>>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer
>>>> writing or exam in Braille.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning the disabled.
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>
>>>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be
>>>> good to provide options like use of computer or recording.
>>>> Sensitising examination authorities would also be needed to avoid
>>>> bitter experience.
>>>>
>>>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as
>>>> accent may vary.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>>>
>>>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: AccessIndia [ma

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[madhu]

I feel writing method is the best because the spellings also very important.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Vedprakash
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 7:23 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
Firstly, the pronunciation part.
I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people pronounce the 
same word differently due to regional considerations.
Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process of 
thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak 
flawlessly and continuously.
During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the 
recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Kakarla Nageswaraiah
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't work 
when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the same 
time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good marks 
on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the poor 
preparation and/or negligence of the students.

Regards.


On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
> typing would be fair instead of recording.
> the Sighted write so we should type!
> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in 
> case of English Language.
> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early 
> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given 
> to all special Students.
> which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and 
> complex disabilities!
> many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these 
> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.
>
> On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract 
>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to 
>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be 
>> tedius and time consuming.
>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer 
>>> writing or exam in Braille.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>> concerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be 
>>> good to provide options like use of computer or recording. 
>>> Sensitising examination authorities would also be needed to avoid 
>>> bitter experience.
>>>
>>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as 
>>> accent may vary.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>>
>>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] 
>>>> On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>>> concerning the disabled.
>>>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>
>>>> Times of India:
>>>>
>>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder 
>>>> Abhishek Choudhari
>>>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised 

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Austin Pinto]

also they say the questions will be red 20mins in advansed.
by whom will it be red?
and what if the candidate forgets the next question after the first 1
and requires it to be red again?
lots of flaws in the recording system.
also dont forget the clicking and hissing sounds made by a tape which
even if converted to digital still persists.
so typing on a computer or writer is the best

On 1/12/16, Vedprakash  wrote:
> Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
> Firstly, the pronunciation part.
> I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people pronounce
> the same word differently due to regional considerations.
> Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process of
> thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak
> flawlessly and continuously.
> During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the
> recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
> Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Kakarla Nageswaraiah
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled. 
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't work
> when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the same
> time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good
> marks on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the poor
> preparation and/or negligence of the students.
>
> Regards.
>
>
> On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
>> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
>> typing would be fair instead of recording.
>> the Sighted write so we should type!
>> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
>> case of English Language.
>> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
>> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
>> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
>> to all special Students.
>> which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
>> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
>> complex disabilities!
>> many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
>> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
>> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
>>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
>>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
>>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
>>> tedius and time consuming.
>>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
>>>
>>> On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
>>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer
>>>> writing or exam in Braille.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning the disabled.
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>
>>>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be
>>>> good to provide options like use of computer or recording.
>>>> Sensitising examination authorities would also be needed to avoid
>>>> bitter experience.
>>>>
>>>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as
>>>> accent may vary.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>>>
>>>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>&g

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Vedprakash]

Tape-recording answers is dangerous.
Firstly, the pronunciation part.
I can furnish numerous examples in Hindi, where different people pronounce the 
same word differently due to regional considerations.
Secondly, when we record an answer, little time is left for the process of 
thinking. Either you pause the recording frequently, or you have to speak 
flawlessly and continuously.
During the recording, a shrill horn from a nearby vehicle may disturb the 
recording and the checker may not get the recording correctly.
Many more such disturbances may occur resulting in a bad recording.
Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Kakarla Nageswaraiah
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:30 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. 
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't work 
when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the same 
time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of securing good marks 
on their own without expecting the scribes to compensate for the poor 
preparation and/or negligence of the students.

Regards.


On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
> typing would be fair instead of recording.
> the Sighted write so we should type!
> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in 
> case of English Language.
> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early 
> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given 
> to all special Students.
> which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and 
> complex disabilities!
> many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these 
> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.
>
> On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract 
>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to 
>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be 
>> tedius and time consuming.
>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer 
>>> writing or exam in Braille.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>> concerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be 
>>> good to provide options like use of computer or recording. 
>>> Sensitising examination authorities would also be needed to avoid 
>>> bitter experience.
>>>
>>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as 
>>> accent may vary.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>>
>>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] 
>>>> On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>>> concerning the disabled.
>>>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>
>>>> Times of India:
>>>>
>>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder 
>>>> Abhishek Choudhari
>>>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam 
>>>> a candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead 
>>>> of additional supplement.
>>>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now 
>>>> record their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a 
>>>> writer. This new r

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Nirmal Verma]

Amanuenses system has been misutilised a lot. We all know many blind in
jobs due to their writers. Better mechanism is to make the exam accessible
and let the students write  their exam by themselves.

Nirmal
On Jan 12, 2016 7:15 PM, "Misbah"  wrote:

> I believe worldwide, still amanuenses system is so far the best method
> for blind persons hence, it should be continue forever.
>
> On 1/12/16, Kakarla Nageswaraiah  wrote:
> > What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't
> > work when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
> > Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the
> > same time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of
> > securing good marks on their own without expecting the scribes to
> > compensate for the poor preparation and/or negligence of the students.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> >
> > On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
> >> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
> >> typing would be fair instead of recording.
> >> the Sighted write so we should type!
> >> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
> >> case of English Language.
> >> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
> >> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
> >> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
> >> to all special Students.
> >> which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
> >> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
> >> complex disabilities!
> >> many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
> >> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
> >> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.
> >>
> >> On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
> >>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
> >>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
> >>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
> >>> tedius and time consuming.
> >>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
> >>>
> >>> On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
> >>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer
> >>>> writing
> >>>> or exam in Braille.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message-
> >>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> >>>> Behalf
> >>>> Of li...@srinivasu.org
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
> >>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> >>>> concerning
> >>>> the disabled.
> >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
> >>>>
> >>>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be
> good
> >>>> to
> >>>> provide options like use of computer or recording. Sensitising
> >>>> examination
> >>>> authorities would also be needed to avoid bitter experience.
> >>>>
> >>>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as
> accent
> >>>> may
> >>>> vary.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 5C
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> >>>>> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
> >>>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
> >>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> >>>>> concerning
> >>>>> the disabled.
> >>>>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Times of India:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
> >>>>> Abhishek Choudhari
> >>>>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
> >>>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam 

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Misbah]

I believe worldwide, still amanuenses system is so far the best method
for blind persons hence, it should be continue forever.

On 1/12/16, Kakarla Nageswaraiah  wrote:
> What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't
> work when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
> Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the
> same time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of
> securing good marks on their own without expecting the scribes to
> compensate for the poor preparation and/or negligence of the students.
>
> Regards.
>
>
> On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
>> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
>> typing would be fair instead of recording.
>> the Sighted write so we should type!
>> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
>> case of English Language.
>> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
>> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
>> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
>> to all special Students.
>> which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
>> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
>> complex disabilities!
>> many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
>> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
>> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
>>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
>>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
>>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
>>> tedius and time consuming.
>>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
>>>
>>> On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
>>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer
>>>> writing
>>>> or exam in Braille.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of li...@srinivasu.org
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning
>>>> the disabled.
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>
>>>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be good
>>>> to
>>>> provide options like use of computer or recording. Sensitising
>>>> examination
>>>> authorities would also be needed to avoid bitter experience.
>>>>
>>>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as accent
>>>> may
>>>> vary.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>>>
>>>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
>>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>>> concerning
>>>>> the disabled.
>>>>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>>
>>>>> Times of India:
>>>>>
>>>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
>>>>> Abhishek Choudhari
>>>>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>>>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
>>>>> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
>>>>> additional supplement.
>>>>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
>>>>> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer.
>>>>> This
>>>>> new rule
>>>>> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
>>>>> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
>>>>> questions

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Kakarla Nageswaraiah]

What if the tape-recorder malfunctions?  In 2002, my typewriter didn't
work when I went to DU to appear for the exams for the post of typist.
Multiple options may be given to the blind for writing exams.  At the
same time, teachers should prepare the students to the extent of
securing good marks on their own without expecting the scribes to
compensate for the poor preparation and/or negligence of the students.

Regards.


On 1/12/16, Vidhya Y  wrote:
> what about math? tell it like a Poem?
> typing would be fair instead of recording.
> the Sighted write so we should type!
> that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
> case of English Language.
> for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
> on, which may take time, but not impossible.
> liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
> to all special Students.
> which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
> I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
> complex disabilities!
> many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
> I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
> policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.
>
> On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
>> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
>> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
>> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
>> tedius and time consuming.
>> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
>>
>> On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
>>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer
>>> writing
>>> or exam in Braille.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of li...@srinivasu.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be good
>>> to
>>> provide options like use of computer or recording. Sensitising
>>> examination
>>> authorities would also be needed to avoid bitter experience.
>>>
>>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as accent
>>> may
>>> vary.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>>
>>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
>>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning
>>>> the disabled.
>>>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>>
>>>> Times of India:
>>>>
>>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
>>>> Abhishek Choudhari
>>>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
>>>> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
>>>> additional supplement.
>>>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
>>>> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This
>>>> new rule
>>>> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
>>>> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
>>>> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they
>>>> can
>>>> get a feel
>>>> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent
>>>> for
>>>> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For
>>>> all
>>>> special
>>>> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
>>>> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal eva

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Vidhya Y]

what about math? tell it like a Poem?
typing would be fair instead of recording.
the Sighted write so we should type!
that way teachers can deduct marks for spelling mistakes and so on in
case of English Language.
for this, students should be introduced to assistive technology early
on, which may take time, but not impossible.
liberal evaluation/ grace marks as mentioned in the article is given
to all special Students.
which would make the blind incompetent  if practiced.
I agree that these initiatives maybe desirable for learning and
complex disabilities!
many of the policies that come up are not  well thought off in advance.
I feel the government should consult the disabled first, as these
policies are used by us and not those who make the policy.

On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
> tedius and time consuming.
> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
>
> On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer
>> writing
>> or exam in Braille.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of li...@srinivasu.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be good
>> to
>> provide options like use of computer or recording. Sensitising examination
>> authorities would also be needed to avoid bitter experience.
>>
>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as accent
>> may
>> vary.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
>> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>
>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
>>>
>>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>> Times of India:
>>>
>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
>>> Abhishek Choudhari
>>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
>>> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
>>> additional supplement.
>>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
>>> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This
>>> new rule
>>> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
>>> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>>>
>>> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
>>> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they
>>> can
>>> get a feel
>>> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
>>> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For
>>> all
>>> special
>>> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
>>> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks,
>>> facility of
>>> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc.
>>> Students suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and
>>> hearing, physical
>>> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
>>> these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special
>>> needs have
>>> been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office
>>> for
>>> details.
>>>
>>> सादर / With thanks & Regards
>>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
>>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
>>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
>>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
>>> नागपुर Nagpur
>>>
>>> 0712 2806846
>>>
>>> President
>>> VIBEWA
>>> Co

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Austin Pinto]

yes.
and what will hapen deuring maths exam?
noise of talking calc and your answers mixed up
i think a exam written on a computer or writer is better.
also this will take lot of time when rechecking your answers at the
end of the exam

On 1/12/16, Aravind R  wrote:
> then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
> listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
> change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
> tedius and time consuming.
> i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.
>
> On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
>> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer
>> writing
>> or exam in Braille.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of li...@srinivasu.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be good
>> to
>> provide options like use of computer or recording. Sensitising examination
>> authorities would also be needed to avoid bitter experience.
>>
>> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as accent
>> may
>> vary.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
>> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>
>>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
>>>
>>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>>
>>> Times of India:
>>>
>>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
>>> Abhishek Choudhari
>>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
>>> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
>>> additional supplement.
>>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
>>> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This
>>> new rule
>>> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
>>> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>>>
>>> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
>>> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they
>>> can
>>> get a feel
>>> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
>>> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For
>>> all
>>> special
>>> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
>>> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks,
>>> facility of
>>> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc.
>>> Students suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and
>>> hearing, physical
>>> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
>>> these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special
>>> needs have
>>> been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office
>>> for
>>> details.
>>>
>>> सादर / With thanks & Regards
>>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
>>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
>>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
>>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
>>> नागपुर Nagpur
>>>
>>> 0712 2806846
>>>
>>> President
>>> VIBEWA
>>> Co-Moderator
>>> VIB-India
>>>
>>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and
>>> laughter.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, SMSs or makes calls
>>> asking for personal information such as your bank account details,
>>> passwords, etc. It never keeps or offers funds to anyone. Please do not
>>> respond in any manner to such offers, 

Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Aravind R]

then, our recorded answers should be crisp and clear to attract
listeners who put marks. if we tell answers slowly or if we want to
change what we said, deleting old recording and inserting new will be
tedius and time consuming.
i prefer typing through screen readers else writers should continue.

On 1/12/16, raaju  wrote:
> Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer writing
> or exam in Braille.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of li...@srinivasu.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
> One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be good to
> provide options like use of computer or recording. Sensitising examination
> authorities would also be needed to avoid bitter experience.
>
> I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as accent may
> vary.
>
> Regards,
> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>
>> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
>>
>> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
>> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
>>
>> Times of India:
>>
>> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
>> Abhishek Choudhari
>> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
>> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
>> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
>> additional supplement.
>> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
>> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This
>> new rule
>> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
>> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>>
>> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
>> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can
>> get a feel
>> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
>> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all
>> special
>> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
>> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks,
>> facility of
>> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc.
>> Students suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and
>> hearing, physical
>> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
>> these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special
>> needs have
>> been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for
>> details.
>>
>> सादर / With thanks & Regards
>> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
>> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
>> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
>> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
>> नागपुर Nagpur
>>
>> 0712 2806846
>>
>> President
>> VIBEWA
>> Co-Moderator
>> VIB-India
>>
>> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and
>> laughter.
>>
>>
>> 
>> Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, SMSs or makes calls
>> asking for personal information such as your bank account details,
>> passwords, etc. It never keeps or offers funds to anyone. Please do not
>> respond in any manner to such offers, however official or attractive they
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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[raaju]

Oh my gosh! I can't speak my answer by recording. I preffer computer writing or 
exam in Braille.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
li...@srinivasu.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 2:50 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be good to 
provide options like use of computer or recording. Sensitising examination 
authorities would also be needed to avoid bitter experience. 

I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as accent may 
vary. 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
Sent from my iPhone 5C

> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
> 
> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
> Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
> the disabled.
> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
> 
> Times of India:
> 
> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
> Abhishek Choudhari
> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a 
> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of 
> additional supplement.
> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record their 
> answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This new rule
> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs 
> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
> 
> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the 
> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can 
> get a feel
> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for 
> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all 
> special
> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20 
> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, facility of
> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc. Students 
> suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and hearing, 
> physical
> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given 
> these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special needs 
> have
> been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for 
> details.
> 
> सादर / With thanks & Regards
> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
> नागपुर Nagpur
> 
> 0712 2806846
> 
> President
> VIBEWA
> Co-Moderator
> VIB-India
> 
> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and laughter.
> 
> 
> 
> Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, SMSs or makes calls 
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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Rajesh H Mehta]

It is equally challenging for teacher while checking different hand 
writings. 




From:   "li...@srinivasu.org" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning  the disabled." 
Date:   01/12/2016 02:51 PM
Subject:        Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
Sent by:"AccessIndia" 



One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be good 
to provide options like use of computer or recording. Sensitising 
examination authorities would also be needed to avoid bitter experience. 

I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as accent 
may vary. 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
Sent from my iPhone 5C

> On 12-Jan-2016, at 13:52, George Abraham  wrote:
> 
> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled.
> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
> 
> Times of India:
> 
> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
> Abhishek Choudhari
> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a 
candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of 
additional supplement.
> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record 
their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This 
new rule
> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs 
students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
> 
> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the 
questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can 
get a feel
> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent 
for evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For 
all special
> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20 
minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, 
facility of
> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc. 
Students suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and 
hearing, physical
> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given 
these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special 
needs have
> been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office 
for details.
> 
> सादर / With thanks & Regards
> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
> नागपुर Nagpur
> 
> 0712 2806846
> 
> President
> VIBEWA
> Co-Moderator
> VIB-India
> 
> A-pilll = Action coupled with Positivity, Interest, Love, Logic and 
laughter.
> 
> 
> 
> Caution: The Reserve Bank of India never sends mails, SMSs or makes 
calls asking for personal information such as your bank account details, 
passwords, etc. It never keeps or offers funds to anyone. Please do not 
respond in any manner to such offers, however official or attractive they 
may look.
> 
> Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential 
and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they 
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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[li...@srinivasu.org]

One step towards independent exam system. But I believe it would be good to 
provide options like use of computer or recording. Sensitising examination 
authorities would also be needed to avoid bitter experience. 

I see it may be a bit challenge for teachers during correction as accent may 
vary. 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
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> Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
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> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
> 
> Times of India:
> 
> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
> Abhishek Choudhari
> | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a 
> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of 
> additional supplement.
> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record their 
> answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This new rule
> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs 
> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
> 
> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the 
> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can 
> get a feel
> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for 
> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all 
> special
> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20 
> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, facility of
> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc. Students 
> suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and hearing, 
> physical
> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given 
> these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special needs 
> have
> been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for 
> details.
> 
> सादर / With thanks & Regards
> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
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> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
> नागपुर Nagpur
> 
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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[Rajesh H Mehta]

IN my views, allowing recording answers is surely a welcome move due to 
which dependency on writer would surely be reduced. However this could 
further complex the writing skills of VI individuals. Due to just 
recording the answers spellings would further become week. No doubt, this 
could surely looked as positive move as now writer would not decide what 
to write and certainly VI would able to claim everything as per his/her 
ability rather then keep on putting every thing on writers.





From:   "George Abraham" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning  the disabled.'" 
Date:   01/12/2016 01:57 PM
Subject:    Re: [AI] Blind can record answers
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Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!

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Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.
Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers

Times of India:

Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
Abhishek Choudhari
 | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a 
candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of 
additional supplement.
Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record 
their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This 
new rule
is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs 
students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.

Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the 
questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can 
get a feel
of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for 
evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all 
special
needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20 
minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, 
facility of
talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc. 
Students suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and 
hearing, physical
disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given 
these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special 
needs have
been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for 
details.

सादर / With thanks & Regards
राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
नागपुर Nagpur

0712 2806846

President
VIBEWA
Co-Moderator
VIB-India

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laughter.



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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[shraddha edke]

Dear George Sir & Rajesh Sir,

In my views, writing an exam with the help of a writer is more
desirable than recording it on a tape recorder!

Shraddha.


On 1/12/16, George Abraham  wrote:
> Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers
>
> Times of India:
>
> Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
> Abhishek Choudhari
>  | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
> NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a
> candidate asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of
> additional supplement.
> Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record
> their answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This new
> rule
> is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs
> students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.
>
> Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the
> questions read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can
> get a feel
> of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for
> evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all
> special
> needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20
> minutes extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, facility
> of
> talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc. Students
> suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and hearing,
> physical
> disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given
> these examination concessions. Parents who have children with special needs
> have
> been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for
> details.
>
> सादर / With thanks & Regards
> राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
> सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
> बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
> भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
> नागपुर Nagpur
>
> 0712 2806846
>
> President
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Re: [AI] Blind can record answers

[George Abraham]

Would be interested in knowing  the groups view on this initiative!

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 12 January 2016 13:32
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: [AI] Blind can record answers

Times of India:

Blind students can 'record' board exam answers on tape recorder
Abhishek Choudhari
 | TNN | Jan 9, 2016, 04.24 PM IST
NAGPUR: Don't be surprised if during this summer's state board exam a candidate 
asks the invigilator for additional 'cassette' instead of additional supplement.
Students suffering from visual impairment (partial/full) can now record their 
answers on tape recorder rather than taking help of a writer. This new rule
is part of a slew of revolutionary changes brought in for special needs 
students by state school education minister Vinod Tawde.

Speaking to TOI, Tawde said, "Visually impaired students can get the questions 
read to them 20 minutes before the paper starts so that they can get a feel
of things. Their answers will be recorded and the device will be sent for 
evaluation in the same way we send the traditional answer sheets." For all 
special
needs students the minister has offered other exam concessions, like 20 minutes 
extra time per exam hour, liberal evaluation, grace marks, facility of
talking calculator, on-screen reading software (if available) etc. Students 
suffering from cerebral palsy, autism, impairment of speech and hearing, 
physical
disability, spastics, learning disorder etc are some who have been given these 
examination concessions. Parents who have children with special needs have
been advised to get in touch with their schools and local board office for 
details.

सादर / With thanks & Regards
राजेश आसुदानी Rajesh Asudani
सहायक महाप्रबन्धक AGM
बाजार आसूचना ईकाई MIU
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक Reserve Bank of India
नागपुर Nagpur

0712 2806846

President
VIBEWA
Co-Moderator
VIB-India

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