RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
I just went to see the UK release date on amazon.co.uk for this book and it's 28/02 or 02/28 depending on your flavour and I saw this - someone was not happy. + Active Directory, 2nd Edition, August 14, 2003 Reviewer: A reader from Oxfordshire, United Kingdom I was recommended this book and can only guess at what the person who recommended it was thinking. Make no mistake, this book is poor. Some parts are misleading, there are a number of omissions (for example, there's a long discussion of changing domain/forest modes, but no discussion of what the modes are and what each provides) and some parts are just plain incorrect. Now, how do I get my money back? + Anyway it made me laugh. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] Sent: 19 January 2006 18:57 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Design and Deployment of Microsoft's Active Directory O'Reilly Releases "Active Directory, Third Edition" Sebastopol, CA--Since its introduction in Windows 2000, Microsoft's Active Directory has improved the way organizations share network resources such as users, groups, computers, printers, applications, and files. "Having a single source for this information makes it more accessible and easier to manage," notes Robbie Allen, co-author of the highly acclaimed "Active Directory," now available in its third edition (O'Reilly, US $49.99). "To accomplish this, however, requires a significant amount of knowledge on topics such as LDAP, Kerberos, DNS, multi-master replication, group policies, and data partitioning, to name a few." In other words, Active Directory is still a major headache for network and system administrators who have to design, implement, and support it. Allen's book, co-written with industry experts Joe Richards and Alistair G. Lowe-Norris, offers a clear and detailed introduction that not only guides administrators through the maze of technologies, but also helps them understand the big picture. "Our book describes Active Directory in depth, but not in the traditional way of going through the graphical user interface screen by screen," Allen explains. "Instead, the book sets out to tell administrators how to design, manage, and maintain a small, medium, or enterprise Active Directory infrastructure that's both scalable and reliable." Many industry authorities consider this book to be the definitive resource for implementing Active Directory. Allen, Richards, and Lowe-Norris have revised the new edition of "Active Directory" significantly to describe features that have been updated or added in Windows Server 2003 R2, including coverage of programmatic interfaces available to manage them. Three additional chapters explain new features and concepts such as Active Directory Application Mode (ADAM), and scripting for common user and group tasks for Microsoft Exchange 2000/2003. "Once information has been added to Active Directory, it can be made available for use throughout the entire network to as many or as few people as an administrator likes," Allen points out. "The structure of the information can match the structure of the organization, and users can query Active Directory to find the location of a printer or the email address of a colleague. Administrators can delegate control and management of the data however they see fit." While Microsoft's documentation serves as an important reference, any administrator who deals with Active Directory will find this book to be a valuable resource, whether he or she manages a single server or works for a global multinational with thousands of servers. To that end, "Active Directory" is divided into three sections: -Part I introduces in general terms how Active Directory works, giving readers a thorough grounding in its concepts, such as Active Directory replication, the schema, application partitions, group policies, and interaction with DNS. -Part II covers the issues around properly designing the directory infrastructure, including designing the namespace, creating a site topology, designing group policies for locking down client settings, auditing, permissions, backup and recovery, and a look at Microsoft's future direction with Directory Services. -Part III is all about managing Active Directory via automation with Active Directory Service Interfaces (ADSI), ActiveX Data Objects (ADO), and Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI). Readers learn how to create and manipulate users, groups, printers, and other objects in their everyday management of Active Directory. "Administrators who want a book that lays bare the design and management of an enterprise or departmental Active Directory need look no further," Allen says. "Even if they have a previous edition of the book, they'll find this third edition to be ful
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Yeah the dates have been all dorked up. Even the O'Reilly site initially said Feb. The initial thought was this would be out for the release of R2 at the end of the year. Didn't happen. :) Anyway, as mentioned in another post, I got my advance copy via FedEx today so I know hardcopy versions officially exist, at least one. I was last told the 18th was the date and today is the 19th and it was shipped to me on the 17th so that seems pretty accurate. Not sure when it will hit US Amazon. Once it does, I will post a link from my website that will take people directly to it. Hopefully the person who posted that review below will take another read and see if I made it better for them as there were, to be honest, parts that were just plain incorrect. :) However there was/is a table indicating what modes there are and what you get from each. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Parris Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... I just went to see the UK release date on amazon.co.uk for this book and it's 28/02 or 02/28 depending on your flavour and I saw this - someone was not happy. + Active Directory, 2nd Edition, August 14, 2003 Reviewer: A reader from Oxfordshire, United Kingdom I was recommended this book and can only guess at what the person who recommended it was thinking. Make no mistake, this book is poor. Some parts are misleading, there are a number of omissions (for example, there's a long discussion of changing domain/forest modes, but no discussion of what the modes are and what each provides) and some parts are just plain incorrect. Now, how do I get my money back? + Anyway it made me laugh. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] Sent: 19 January 2006 18:57 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Design and Deployment of Microsoft's Active Directory O'Reilly Releases "Active Directory, Third Edition" Sebastopol, CA--Since its introduction in Windows 2000, Microsoft's Active Directory has improved the way organizations share network resources such as users, groups, computers, printers, applications, and files. "Having a single source for this information makes it more accessible and easier to manage," notes Robbie Allen, co-author of the highly acclaimed "Active Directory," now available in its third edition (O'Reilly, US $49.99). "To accomplish this, however, requires a significant amount of knowledge on topics such as LDAP, Kerberos, DNS, multi-master replication, group policies, and data partitioning, to name a few." In other words, Active Directory is still a major headache for network and system administrators who have to design, implement, and support it. Allen's book, co-written with industry experts Joe Richards and Alistair G. Lowe-Norris, offers a clear and detailed introduction that not only guides administrators through the maze of technologies, but also helps them understand the big picture. "Our book describes Active Directory in depth, but not in the traditional way of going through the graphical user interface screen by screen," Allen explains. "Instead, the book sets out to tell administrators how to design, manage, and maintain a small, medium, or enterprise Active Directory infrastructure that's both scalable and reliable." Many industry authorities consider this book to be the definitive resource for implementing Active Directory. Allen, Richards, and Lowe-Norris have revised the new edition of "Active Directory" significantly to describe features that have been updated or added in Windows Server 2003 R2, including coverage of programmatic interfaces available to manage them. Three additional chapters explain new features and concepts such as Active Directory Application Mode (ADAM), and scripting for common user and group tasks for Microsoft Exchange 2000/2003. "Once information has been added to Active Directory, it can be made available for use throughout the entire network to as many or as few people as an administrator likes," Allen points out. "The structure of the information can match the structure of the organization, and users can query Active Directory to find the location of a printer or the email address of a colleague. Administrators can delegate control and management of the data however they see fit." While Microsoft's documentation serves as an important reference, any administrator who deals with Active Directory will find this book to be a valuable resource, whether he or she manages a single server or works for a global multina
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
That may have been me, but I was really just ticked that I didn't get a signed copy ;) Seriously, I'm looking forward to reading it though. Right after I learn what this AD stuff is, it's going to be high on my list On 1/19/06, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yeah the dates have been all dorked up. Even the O'Reilly site initiallysaid Feb. The initial thought was this would be out for the release of R2 at the end of the year. Didn't happen. :)Anyway, as mentioned in another post, I got my advance copy via FedEx todayso I know hardcopy versions officially exist, at least one. I was last toldthe 18th was the date and today is the 19th and it was shipped to me on the 17th so that seems pretty accurate. Not sure when it will hit US Amazon.Once it does, I will post a link from my website that will take peopledirectly to it.Hopefully the person who posted that review below will take another read and see if I made it better for them as there were, to be honest, parts thatwere just plain incorrect. :) However there was/is a table indicating whatmodes there are and what you get from each.-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Parris Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:30 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...I just went to see the UK release date on amazon.co.uk for this book andit's 28/02 or 02/28 depending on your flavour and I saw this - someone wasnot happy.+Active Directory, 2nd Edition, August 14, 2003 Reviewer: A reader from Oxfordshire, United KingdomI was recommended this book and can only guess at what the person whorecommended it was thinking. Make no mistake, this book is poor. Some partsare misleading, there are a number of omissions (for example, there's a long discussion of changing domain/forest modes, but no discussion of what themodes are and what each provides) and some parts are just plain incorrect.Now, how do I get my money back?+ Anyway it made me laugh.Mark-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPAaka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]Sent: 19 January 2006 18:57To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...Design and Deployment of Microsoft's Active Directory O'Reilly Releases"Active Directory, Third Edition"Sebastopol, CA--Since its introduction in Windows 2000, Microsoft's Active Directory has improved the way organizations share network resources such asusers, groups, computers, printers, applications, and files. "Having asingle source for this information makes it more accessible and easier to manage," notes Robbie Allen, co-author of the highly acclaimed "ActiveDirectory," now available in its third edition (O'Reilly, US $49.99). "Toaccomplish this, however, requires a significant amount of knowledge on topics such as LDAP, Kerberos, DNS, multi-master replication, grouppolicies, and data partitioning, to name a few."In other words, Active Directory is still a major headache for network andsystem administrators who have to design, implement, and support it. Allen's book, co-written with industry experts Joe Richards and Alistair G.Lowe-Norris, offers a clear and detailed introduction that not only guidesadministrators through the maze of technologies, but also helps them understand the big picture."Our book describes Active Directory in depth, but not in the traditionalway of going through the graphical user interface screen by screen," Allenexplains. "Instead, the book sets out to tell administrators how to design, manage, and maintain a small, medium, or enterprise Active Directoryinfrastructure that's both scalable and reliable."Many industry authorities consider this book to be the definitive resourcefor implementing Active Directory. Allen, Richards, and Lowe-Norris have revised the new edition of "Active Directory" significantly to describefeatures that have been updated or added in Windows Server 2003 R2,including coverage of programmatic interfaces available to manage them. Three additional chapters explain new features and concepts such as ActiveDirectory Application Mode (ADAM), and scripting for common user and grouptasks for Microsoft Exchange 2000/2003."Once information has been added to Active Directory, it can be made available for use throughout the entire network to as many or as few peopleas an administrator likes," Allen points out. "The structure of theinformation can match the structure of the organization, and users can query Active Directory to find the location of a printer or the email address of acolleague. Administrators can delegate control and management of the datahowever they see fit."While Microsoft's documentatio
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:09 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Yeah the dates have been all dorked up. Even the O'Reilly site initially said Feb. The initial thought was this would be out for the release of R2 at the end of the year. Didn't happen. :) Anyway, as mentioned in another post, I got my advance copy via FedEx today so I know hardcopy versions officially exist, at least one. I was last told the 18th was the date and today is the 19th and it was shipped to me on the 17th so that seems pretty accurate. Not sure when it will hit US Amazon. Once it does, I will post a link from my website that will take people directly to it. Hopefully the person who posted that review below will take another read and see if I made it better for them as there were, to be honest, parts that were just plain incorrect. :) However there was/is a table indicating what modes there are and what you get from each. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Parris Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... I just went to see the UK release date on amazon.co.uk for this book and it's 28/02 or 02/28 depending on your flavour and I saw this - someone was not happy. + Active Directory, 2nd Edition, August 14, 2003 Reviewer: A reader from Oxfordshire, United Kingdom I was recommended this book and can only guess at what the person who recommended it was thinking. Make no mistake, this book is poor. Some parts are misleading, there are a number of omissions (for example, there's a long discussion of changing domain/forest modes, but no discussion of what the modes are and what each provides) and some parts are just plain incorrect. Now, how do I get my money back? + Anyway it made me laugh. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] Sent: 19 January 2006 18:57 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Design and Deployment of Microsoft's Active Directory O'Reilly Releases "Active Directory, Third Edition" Sebastopol, CA--Since its introduction in Windows 2000, Microsoft's Active Directory has improved the way organizations share network resources such as users, groups, computers, printers, applications, and files. "Having a single source for this information makes it more accessible and easier to manage," notes Robbie Allen, co-author of the highly acclaimed "Active Directory," now available in its third edition (O'Reilly, US $49.99). "To accomplish this, however, requires a significant amount of knowledge on topics such as LDAP, Kerberos, DNS, multi-master replication, group policies, and data partitioning, to name a few." In other words, Active Directory is still a major headache for network and system administrators who have to design, implement, and support it. Allen's book, co-written with industry experts Joe Richards and Alistair G. Lowe-Norris, offers a clear and detailed introduction that not only guides administrators through the maze of technologies, but also helps them understand the big picture. "Our book describes Active Directory in depth, but not in the traditional way of going through the graphical user interface screen by screen," Allen explains. "Instead, the book sets out to tell administrators how to design, manage, and maintain a small, medium, or enterprise Active Directory infrastructure that's both scalable and reliable." Many industry authorities consider this book to be the definitive resource for implementing Active Directory. Allen, Richards, and Lowe-Norris have revised the new edition of "Active Directory" significantly to describe features that have been updated or added in Windows Server 2003 R2, including coverage of programmatic interfaces available to manage them. Three additional chapters explain new features and concepts such as Active Directory Application Mode (ADAM), and scripting for common user and group tasks for Microsoft Exchange 2000/2003. "Once information has been added to Active Directory, it can be made available for use throughout the entire network to as many or as few people as an administrator likes," Allen points out. "The structure of the information can match the structure of the organization, and users can query Active Directory to find the location of a printer or the email address of a colleague. Administrators can delegate control and management of the data however t
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
FYI, Walmart.com shows the book as being in-stock as of last night. Scott Klassen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:09 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Yeah the dates have been all dorked up. Even the O'Reilly site initially said Feb. The initial thought was this would be out for the release of R2 at the end of the year. Didn't happen. :) Anyway, as mentioned in another post, I got my advance copy via FedEx today so I know hardcopy versions officially exist, at least one. I was last told the 18th was the date and today is the 19th and it was shipped to me on the 17th so that seems pretty accurate. Not sure when it will hit US Amazon. Once it does, I will post a link from my website that will take people directly to it. Hopefully the person who posted that review below will take another read and see if I made it better for them as there were, to be honest, parts that were just plain incorrect. :) However there was/is a table indicating what modes there are and what you get from each. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Parris Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... I just went to see the UK release date on amazon.co.uk for this book and it's 28/02 or 02/28 depending on your flavour and I saw this - someone was not happy. + Active Directory, 2nd Edition, August 14, 2003 Reviewer: A reader from Oxfordshire, United Kingdom I was recommended this book and can only guess at what the person who recommended it was thinking. Make no mistake, this book is poor. Some parts are misleading, there are a number of omissions (for example, there's a long discussion of changing domain/forest modes, but no discussion of what the modes are and what each provides) and some parts are just plain incorrect. Now, how do I get my money back? + Anyway it made me laugh. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] Sent: 19 January 2006 18:57 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Design and Deployment of Microsoft's Active Directory O'Reilly Releases "Active Directory, Third Edition" Sebastopol, CA--Since its introduction in Windows 2000, Microsoft's Active Directory has improved the way organizations share network resources such as users, groups, computers, printers, applications, and files. "Having a single source for this information makes it more accessible and easier to manage," notes Robbie Allen, co-author of the highly acclaimed "Active Directory," now available in its third edition (O'Reilly, US $49.99). "To accomplish this, however, requires a significant amount of knowledge on topics such as LDAP, Kerberos, DNS, multi-master replication, group policies, and data partitioning, to name a few." In other words, Active Directory is still a major headache for network and system administrators who have to design, implement, and support it. Allen's book, co-written with industry experts Joe Richards and Alistair G. Lowe-Norris, offers a clear and detailed introduction that not only guides administrators through the maze of technologies, but also helps them understand the big picture. "Our book describes Active Directory in depth, but not in the traditional way of going through the graphical user interface screen by screen," Allen explains. "Instead, the book sets out to tell administrators how to design, manage, and maintain a small, medium, or enterprise Active Directory infrastructure that's both scalable and reliable." Many industry authorities consider this book to be the definitive resource for implementing Active Directory. Allen, Richards, and Lowe-Norris have revised the new edition of "Active Directory" significantly to describe features that have been updated or added in Windows Server 2003 R2, including coverage of programmatic interfaces available to manage them. Three additional chapters explain new features and concepts such as Active Directory Application Mode (ADAM), and scripting for common user and group tasks for Microsoft Exchange 2000/2003. "Once information has been added to Active Directory, it can be made available for use throughout the entire network to as many or as few people as an administrator likes," Allen points out. "The structure of the information can match the structure of the organization, and users can query Active Directory to find the location of a printer or the email address of a colleague. Administrators can de
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Reserved my copy. You should see if they'll do the Saturday Fedex home delivery like when you reserve a copy of Harry Potter. ;) Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:42 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:09 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > Yeah the dates have been all dorked up. Even the O'Reilly site initially > said Feb. The initial thought was this would be out for the release of R2 > at > the end of the year. Didn't happen. :) > > Anyway, as mentioned in another post, I got my advance copy via FedEx > today > so I know hardcopy versions officially exist, at least one. I was last > told > the 18th was the date and today is the 19th and it was shipped to me on > the > 17th so that seems pretty accurate. Not sure when it will hit US Amazon. > Once it does, I will post a link from my website that will take people > directly to it. > > Hopefully the person who posted that review below will take another read > and > see if I made it better for them as there were, to be honest, parts that > were just plain incorrect. :) However there was/is a table indicating what > modes there are and what you get from each. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Parris > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:30 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > I just went to see the UK release date on amazon.co.uk for this book and > it's 28/02 or 02/28 depending on your flavour and I saw this - someone was > not happy. > > + > > Active Directory, 2nd Edition, August 14, 2003 > > Reviewer: A reader from Oxfordshire, United Kingdom > > I was recommended this book and can only guess at what the person who > recommended it was thinking. Make no mistake, this book is poor. Some > parts > are misleading, there are a number of omissions (for example, there's a > long > discussion of changing domain/forest modes, but no discussion of what the > modes are and what each provides) and some parts are just plain incorrect. > > Now, how do I get my money back? > > + > > Anyway it made me laugh. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, > CPA > aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] > Sent: 19 January 2006 18:57 > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > Design and Deployment of Microsoft's Active Directory O'Reilly Releases > "Active Directory, Third Edition" > > Sebastopol, CA--Since its introduction in Windows 2000, Microsoft's Active > Directory has improved the way organizations share network resources such > as > users, groups, computers, printers, applications, and files. "Having a > single source for this information makes it more accessible and easier to > manage," notes Robbie Allen, co-author of the highly acclaimed "Active > Directory," now available in its third edition (O'Reilly, US $49.99). "To > accomplish this, however, requires a significant amount of knowledge on > topics such as LDAP, Kerberos, DNS, multi-master replication, group > policies, and data partitioning, to name a few." > > In other words, Active Directory is still a major headache for network and > system administrators who have to design, implement, and support it. > Allen's book, co-written with industry experts Joe Richards and Alistair > G. > Lowe-Norris, offers a clear and detailed introduction that not only guides > administrators through the maze of technologies, but also helps them > understand the big picture. > > "Our book describes Active Directory in depth, but not in the traditional > way of going through the graphical user interface screen by screen," Allen > explains. "Instead, the book sets out to tell administrators how to > design, > manage, and maintain a small, medium, or enterprise Active Directory > infrastructure that's both scalable and reliable." > > Many industry authorities consider this book
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
We're migrating our AD from W2K to W2K3 in the next month. And I want to be able to find out a little about the AD migration beforehand (our consultant is doing it - I'm not ready to jump into deep water on something like this). Will the 3rd edition cover W2K and getting from there to W2K3? And we'll still be using W2K on a couple of servers, so I want to be able to have documentation that will cover both. Thanks. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:39 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Reserved my copy. You should see if they'll do the Saturday Fedex home delivery like when you reserve a copy of Harry Potter. ;) Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
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On 1/20/06, Brian Desmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Reserved my copy. You should see if they'll do the Saturday Fedex homedelivery like when you reserve a copy of Harry Potter. ;) Thanks,Brian Desmond[EMAIL PROTECTED]c - 312.731.3132> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir-> [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of joe> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:42 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...>> http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm >>> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of joe> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:09 PM> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... >> Yeah the dates have been all dorked up. Even the O'Reilly siteinitially> said Feb. The initial thought was this would be out for the release ofR2> at> the end of the year. Didn't happen. :) >> Anyway, as mentioned in another post, I got my advance copy via FedEx> today> so I know hardcopy versions officially exist, at least one. I was last> told> the 18th was the date and today is the 19th and it was shipped to me on> the> 17th so that seems pretty accurate. Not sure when it will hit USAmazon.> Once it does, I will post a link from my website that will take people> directly to it.>> Hopefully the person who posted that review below will take another read> and> see if I made it better for them as there were, to be honest, partsthat> were just plain incorrect. :) However there was/is a table indicatingwhat> modes there are and what you get from each. >>>> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Parris> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:30 PM> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... >> I just went to see the UK release date on amazon.co.uk for this bookand> it's 28/02 or 02/28 depending on your flavour and I saw this - someonewas> not happy. >> +>> Active Directory, 2nd Edition, August 14, 2003>> Reviewer: A reader from Oxfordshire, United Kingdom>> I was recommended this book and can only guess at what the person who > recommended it was thinking. Make no mistake, this book is poor. Some> parts> are misleading, there are a number of omissions (for example, there'sa> long> discussion of changing domain/forest modes, but no discussion of what the> modes are and what each provides) and some parts are just plainincorrect.>> Now, how do I get my money back?>> +>> Anyway it made me laugh. >> Mark>> -Original Message-> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of SusanBradley,> CPA> aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]> Sent: 19 January 2006 18:57> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...>> Design and Deployment of Microsoft's Active Directory O'ReillyReleases> "Active Directory, Third Edition">> Sebastopol, CA--Since its introduction in Windows 2000, Microsoft's Active> Directory has improved the way organizations share network resourcessuch> as> users, groups, computers, printers, applications, and files. "Having a> single source for this information makes it more accessible and easier to> manage," notes Robbie Allen, co-author of the highly acclaimed "Active> Directory," now available in its third edition (O'Reilly, US $49.99)."To> accomplish this, however, requires a significant amount of knowledge on> topics such as LDAP, Kerberos, DNS, multi-master replication, group> policies, and data partitioning, to name a few.">> In other words, Active Directory is still a major headache for network and> system administrators who have to design, implement, and support it.> Allen's book, co-written with industry experts Joe Richards andAlistair> G.> Lowe-Norris, offers a clear and detailed introduction that not only guides> administrators through the maze of technologies, but also helps them> understand the big picture.>> "Our book describes Active Directory in depth, but not in thetraditional > way of going through the graphical user interface screen by screen,"Allen> explains. "Instead, the book sets out to tell administrators how to> design,> manage, and maintain a small, medium, or enterprise Active Directory > infrastructure that's both scalable and reliable.">> Many industry authorities consider this book to be the definitiveresource> for implementing Active Directory. Allen, Richa
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
So when is the world wide book signing/speaking tour going to start? Do you have the dates you'll be here in Seattle to autograph my (pre-ordered) copy? Cheers Steve On 1/20/06, Garyphold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We're migrating our AD from W2K to W2K3 in the next month. And I want to beable to find out a little about the AD migration beforehand (our consultant is doing it - I'm not ready to jump into deep water on something like this).Will the 3rd edition cover W2K and getting from there to W2K3? And we'llstill be using W2K on a couple of servers, so I want to be able to have documentation that will cover both.Thanks.Gary-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian DesmondSent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:39 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...Reserved my copy. You should see if they'll do the Saturday Fedex homedelivery like when you reserve a copy of Harry Potter. ;)Thanks, Brian Desmond[EMAIL PROTECTED]c - 312.731.3132List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspxList FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspxList archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
LOL. I don't expect to be in Seattle again until the next MVP summit which will be between 9-15 months. I don't see O'Reilly paying for a world tour for book signing and I am sure my employer wouldn't be thrilled about me taking off time to do it. :) At the moment I am not planning on it but Gil is trying to convince me to come to Nevada for DEC so maybe if he somehow succeeds I will be there and I would be willing to scribble on some books if for some reason people would like that[1]. joe [1] I really don't think it would do anything but decrease the value of the books. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SteveSent: Friday, January 20, 2006 4:10 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... So when is the world wide book signing/speaking tour going to start? Do you have the dates you'll be here in Seattle to autograph my (pre-ordered) copy? Cheers Steve On 1/20/06, Garyphold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We're migrating our AD from W2K to W2K3 in the next month. And I want to beable to find out a little about the AD migration beforehand (our consultant is doing it - I'm not ready to jump into deep water on something like this).Will the 3rd edition cover W2K and getting from there to W2K3? And we'llstill be using W2K on a couple of servers, so I want to be able to have documentation that will cover both.Thanks.Gary-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian DesmondSent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:39 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...Reserved my copy. You should see if they'll do the Saturday Fedex homedelivery like when you reserve a copy of Harry Potter. ;)Thanks,Brian Desmond[EMAIL PROTECTED]c - 312.731.3132List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspxList FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspxList archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Yeah there is a chapter on migration from 2K to K3 as well as a small chapter on upgrading to K3R2. The big wins in this version of the book if anyone asks me though are 1. A real live chapter on ADAM. First in existence that I am aware of. I like this chapter, if anyone reads it and has issues with it, please email me directly. I really like ADAM, I want to make sure my info is all correct and that it fits people's experiences with it. Heck I wouldn't mind just hearing about people's experiences so if I write anything else concerning ADAM, I can comment on it so others may not hit the same issues/pitfalls. 2. Significant updates to the Schema Chapters. 3. Significant updates to the Security Chapters. 4. A chapter on basic Exchange (AD-Related) tasks and how to script them. 5. The Site Topology and Replication chapter got a pretty serious update as well. 6. A lot of the scripts were reworked. Do not buy the book for the VB.NET and Directory Services chapter. I am not a NET person, I fully admit it, it is pretty much the same as it was in 2E. If you want a book in that realm, you want the book Joe Kaplan has been working on, I was a technical reviewer for that book and it looks like it is going to be pretty good. The TR folks can comment if they like on what they liked about it or anything they think that is in it that makes it worthwhile. I had, what I considered unusual, a two way street with feedback with the TRs. They sent me their comments, I sent back responses for many of the comments and asked for more detail or asked questions or what not as needed. I know most everything I have ever TR'ed has been sort of a black hole where I don't know if the feedback is being used or not which I never liked. At least one reviewer mentioned to me that the feedback was unusual and well accepted. I don't expect this to be the be all end all book on AD but I did try to make it so I would be happy my name was on it which if anyone knows me is not a low achievement bar, I am a bit picky. But at the same time, I know I didn't get everything perfect, there wasn't time for perfect, it had to be released this decade. It isn't a book that is in my voice/tone; it is a refresh so I attempted to follow the voice/tone that was there as much as possible as it wasn't mine to change. Some people will not like that and some people are probably thankful for it. :o) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garyphold Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:02 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... We're migrating our AD from W2K to W2K3 in the next month. And I want to be able to find out a little about the AD migration beforehand (our consultant is doing it - I'm not ready to jump into deep water on something like this). Will the 3rd edition cover W2K and getting from there to W2K3? And we'll still be using W2K on a couple of servers, so I want to be able to have documentation that will cover both. Thanks. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:39 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Reserved my copy. You should see if they'll do the Saturday Fedex home delivery like when you reserve a copy of Harry Potter. ;) Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Yeah I will get right on that... Actually I would just be happy to not ever see a copy of the book in the bargain bin. I think that would be like an arrow through my heart. :o) joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:39 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Reserved my copy. You should see if they'll do the Saturday Fedex home delivery like when you reserve a copy of Harry Potter. ;) Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:42 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:09 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > Yeah the dates have been all dorked up. Even the O'Reilly site initially > said Feb. The initial thought was this would be out for the release of R2 > at > the end of the year. Didn't happen. :) > > Anyway, as mentioned in another post, I got my advance copy via FedEx > today so I know hardcopy versions officially exist, at least one. I > was last told the 18th was the date and today is the 19th and it was > shipped to me on > the > 17th so that seems pretty accurate. Not sure when it will hit US Amazon. > Once it does, I will post a link from my website that will take people > directly to it. > > Hopefully the person who posted that review below will take another read > and > see if I made it better for them as there were, to be honest, parts that > were just plain incorrect. :) However there was/is a table indicating what > modes there are and what you get from each. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Parris > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:30 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > I just went to see the UK release date on amazon.co.uk for this book and > it's 28/02 or 02/28 depending on your flavour and I saw this - someone was > not happy. > > + > > Active Directory, 2nd Edition, August 14, 2003 > > Reviewer: A reader from Oxfordshire, United Kingdom > > I was recommended this book and can only guess at what the person who > recommended it was thinking. Make no mistake, this book is poor. Some > parts are misleading, there are a number of omissions (for example, > there's a > long > discussion of changing domain/forest modes, but no discussion of what the > modes are and what each provides) and some parts are just plain incorrect. > > Now, how do I get my money back? > > + > > Anyway it made me laugh. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, > CPA > aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] > Sent: 19 January 2006 18:57 > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > Design and Deployment of Microsoft's Active Directory O'Reilly Releases > "Active Directory, Third Edition" > > Sebastopol, CA--Since its introduction in Windows 2000, Microsoft's Active > Directory has improved the way organizations share network resources such > as > users, groups, computers, printers, applications, and files. "Having a > single source for this information makes it more accessible and easier to > manage," notes Robbie Allen, co-author of the highly acclaimed "Active > Directory," now available in its third edition (O'Reilly, US $49.99). "To > accomplish this, however, requires a significant amount of knowledge on > topics such as LDAP, Kerberos, DNS, multi-master replication, group > policies, and data partitioning, to name a few." > > In other words, Active Directory is still a major headache for network and > system administrators who have to design, implement, and support it. > Allen's book, co-written with industry experts Joe Richards and Alistair > G. > Lowe-Norris, offers a clear and detailed introduction that not only guides > administrators through the maze of technologies, but also helps them > understand the big picture. > > "Our book describe
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Supposedly they shipped my copy - I'll let you know on Tuesday since I have the Amazon Prime thing. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joe Sent: Sun 1/22/2006 11:16 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Yeah I will get right on that... Actually I would just be happy to not ever see a copy of the book in the bargain bin. I think that would be like an arrow through my heart. :o) joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:39 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Reserved my copy. You should see if they'll do the Saturday Fedex home delivery like when you reserve a copy of Harry Potter. ;) Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:ActiveDir- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:42 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:09 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > Yeah the dates have been all dorked up. Even the O'Reilly site initially > said Feb. The initial thought was this would be out for the release of R2 > at > the end of the year. Didn't happen. :) > > Anyway, as mentioned in another post, I got my advance copy via FedEx > today so I know hardcopy versions officially exist, at least one. I > was last told the 18th was the date and today is the 19th and it was > shipped to me on > the > 17th so that seems pretty accurate. Not sure when it will hit US Amazon. > Once it does, I will post a link from my website that will take people > directly to it. > > Hopefully the person who posted that review below will take another read > and > see if I made it better for them as there were, to be honest, parts that > were just plain incorrect. :) However there was/is a table indicating what > modes there are and what you get from each. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Parris > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:30 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > I just went to see the UK release date on amazon.co.uk for this book and > it's 28/02 or 02/28 depending on your flavour and I saw this - someone was > not happy. > > + > > Active Directory, 2nd Edition, August 14, 2003 > > Reviewer: A reader from Oxfordshire, United Kingdom > > I was recommended this book and can only guess at what the person who > recommended it was thinking. Make no mistake, this book is poor. Some > parts are misleading, there are a number of omissions (for example, > there's a > long > discussion of changing domain/forest modes, but no discussion of what the > modes are and what each provides) and some parts are just plain incorrect. > > Now, how do I get my money back? > > + > > Anyway it made me laugh. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, > CPA > aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] > Sent: 19 January 2006 18:57 > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > Design and Deployment of Microsoft's Active Directory O'Reilly Releases > "Active Directory, Third Edition" > > Sebastopol, CA--Since its introduction in Windows 2000, Microsoft's Active > Directory has improved the way organizations share network resources such > as > users, groups, computers, printers, applications, and files. "Having a > single source for this information makes it more accessible and easier to > manage," notes Robbie Allen, co-author of the highly acclaimed "Active > Directory," now available in its third edition (O'Reilly, US $49.99). "To > accomplish this, however, requires a significant amount of knowledge on > topics such as LDAP, Kerberos, DNS, multi-master replication, group > policies, and data partitioning, to name a few." > > In other words, Active Directory is still a major headache for network and > system administrators who have to design, implemen
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Joe I have one question for you on this book before mine arrives... am I going to read it, and then start bugging you again about compiling a book of AD and server best practices based off of all the good novels you have posted on this list?? :) In fact... come to think of it... maybe there is still an unwritten book... one that takes topics that tend to come up on this list and deals with each on a discussion basis. It might be more useful for consultants and architects though, but still... two examples: 1) empty root domain issue - pros and cons 2) remotely managing DCs - joe you once had a long spiel on how you used to manage all those DCs remotely, and rather than give someone DA rights to work on it, you'd demote it, then rebuild it from bare metal. A decent percentage of us probably knows how to do these things remotely. But what if someone wanted to set something like this up, and it was a new concept to them. Is there a guide out there anywhere that could show how to do it? From setting up the imaging software, to configuring a DC image to come up without someone clicking any buttons locally, etc? A book like that would probably want a lot of input from a lot of people, because the answers to a lot of best practices questions are "it depends". But I bet there's a need... Rich --- Rich Milburn MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services Sr Network Analyst, Field Platform Development Applebee's International, Inc. 4551 W. 107th St Overland Park, KS 66207 913-967-2819 -- "I love the smell of red herrings in the morning" - anonymous -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:15 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Yeah there is a chapter on migration from 2K to K3 as well as a small chapter on upgrading to K3R2. The big wins in this version of the book if anyone asks me though are 1. A real live chapter on ADAM. First in existence that I am aware of. I like this chapter, if anyone reads it and has issues with it, please email me directly. I really like ADAM, I want to make sure my info is all correct and that it fits people's experiences with it. Heck I wouldn't mind just hearing about people's experiences so if I write anything else concerning ADAM, I can comment on it so others may not hit the same issues/pitfalls. 2. Significant updates to the Schema Chapters. 3. Significant updates to the Security Chapters. 4. A chapter on basic Exchange (AD-Related) tasks and how to script them. 5. The Site Topology and Replication chapter got a pretty serious update as well. 6. A lot of the scripts were reworked. Do not buy the book for the VB.NET and Directory Services chapter. I am not a NET person, I fully admit it, it is pretty much the same as it was in 2E. If you want a book in that realm, you want the book Joe Kaplan has been working on, I was a technical reviewer for that book and it looks like it is going to be pretty good. The TR folks can comment if they like on what they liked about it or anything they think that is in it that makes it worthwhile. I had, what I considered unusual, a two way street with feedback with the TRs. They sent me their comments, I sent back responses for many of the comments and asked for more detail or asked questions or what not as needed. I know most everything I have ever TR'ed has been sort of a black hole where I don't know if the feedback is being used or not which I never liked. At least one reviewer mentioned to me that the feedback was unusual and well accepted. I don't expect this to be the be all end all book on AD but I did try to make it so I would be happy my name was on it which if anyone knows me is not a low achievement bar, I am a bit picky. But at the same time, I know I didn't get everything perfect, there wasn't time for perfect, it had to be released this decade. It isn't a book that is in my voice/tone; it is a refresh so I attempted to follow the voice/tone that was there as much as possible as it wasn't mine to change. Some people will not like that and some people are probably thankful for it. :o) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garyphold Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:02 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... We're migrating our AD from W2K to W2K3 in the next month. And I want to be able to find out a little about the AD migration beforehand (our consultant is doing it - I'm not ready to jump into deep water on something like this). Will the 3rd edition cover W2K and getting from there to W2K3? And we'll still be using W2K on
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Would this be a 'design best practices' book or an 'operational best practices' book? Personally, I'd rather those subjects be kept separate, although I agree, that each deserves its own publication :) Maybe joe can act as editor and collate BPs from several ppl, with a one off payment or small royalty being offered to all contributors (whose BPs make it to the end product :) neil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn Sent: 23 January 2006 14:15 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Joe I have one question for you on this book before mine arrives... am I going to read it, and then start bugging you again about compiling a book of AD and server best practices based off of all the good novels you have posted on this list?? :) In fact... come to think of it... maybe there is still an unwritten book... one that takes topics that tend to come up on this list and deals with each on a discussion basis. It might be more useful for consultants and architects though, but still... two examples: 1) empty root domain issue - pros and cons 2) remotely managing DCs - joe you once had a long spiel on how you used to manage all those DCs remotely, and rather than give someone DA rights to work on it, you'd demote it, then rebuild it from bare metal. A decent percentage of us probably knows how to do these things remotely. But what if someone wanted to set something like this up, and it was a new concept to them. Is there a guide out there anywhere that could show how to do it? From setting up the imaging software, to configuring a DC image to come up without someone clicking any buttons locally, etc? A book like that would probably want a lot of input from a lot of people, because the answers to a lot of best practices questions are "it depends". But I bet there's a need... Rich --- Rich Milburn MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services Sr Network Analyst, Field Platform Development Applebee's International, Inc. 4551 W. 107th St Overland Park, KS 66207 913-967-2819 -- "I love the smell of red herrings in the morning" - anonymous -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:15 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Yeah there is a chapter on migration from 2K to K3 as well as a small chapter on upgrading to K3R2. The big wins in this version of the book if anyone asks me though are 1. A real live chapter on ADAM. First in existence that I am aware of. I like this chapter, if anyone reads it and has issues with it, please email me directly. I really like ADAM, I want to make sure my info is all correct and that it fits people's experiences with it. Heck I wouldn't mind just hearing about people's experiences so if I write anything else concerning ADAM, I can comment on it so others may not hit the same issues/pitfalls. 2. Significant updates to the Schema Chapters. 3. Significant updates to the Security Chapters. 4. A chapter on basic Exchange (AD-Related) tasks and how to script them. 5. The Site Topology and Replication chapter got a pretty serious update as well. 6. A lot of the scripts were reworked. Do not buy the book for the VB.NET and Directory Services chapter. I am not a NET person, I fully admit it, it is pretty much the same as it was in 2E. If you want a book in that realm, you want the book Joe Kaplan has been working on, I was a technical reviewer for that book and it looks like it is going to be pretty good. The TR folks can comment if they like on what they liked about it or anything they think that is in it that makes it worthwhile. I had, what I considered unusual, a two way street with feedback with the TRs. They sent me their comments, I sent back responses for many of the comments and asked for more detail or asked questions or what not as needed. I know most everything I have ever TR'ed has been sort of a black hole where I don't know if the feedback is being used or not which I never liked. At least one reviewer mentioned to me that the feedback was unusual and well accepted. I don't expect this to be the be all end all book on AD but I did try to make it so I would be happy my name was on it which if anyone knows me is not a low achievement bar, I am a bit picky. But at the same time, I know I didn't get everything perfect, there wasn't time for perfect, it had to be released this decade. It isn't a book that is in my voice/tone; it is a refresh so I attempted to follow the voice/tone that was there as much as possible as it wasn't mine to change. Some people will not like
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
I lost track of which book Joe was writing about below. Can someone refresh my memory? As for Joe writing a book about how he does things - what would be cool. al Rich Milburn wrote: Joe I have one question for you on this book before mine arrives... am I going to read it, and then start bugging you again about compiling a book of AD and server best practices based off of all the good novels you have posted on this list?? :) In fact... come to think of it... maybe there is still an unwritten book... one that takes topics that tend to come up on this list and deals with each on a discussion basis. It might be more useful for consultants and architects though, but still... two examples: 1) empty root domain issue - pros and cons 2) remotely managing DCs - joe you once had a long spiel on how you used to manage all those DCs remotely, and rather than give someone DA rights to work on it, you'd demote it, then rebuild it from bare metal. A decent percentage of us probably knows how to do these things remotely. But what if someone wanted to set something like this up, and it was a new concept to them. Is there a guide out there anywhere that could show how to do it? From setting up the imaging software, to configuring a DC image to come up without someone clicking any buttons locally, etc? A book like that would probably want a lot of input from a lot of people, because the answers to a lot of best practices questions are "it depends". But I bet there's a need... Rich --- Rich Milburn MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services Sr Network Analyst, Field Platform Development Applebee's International, Inc. 4551 W. 107th St Overland Park, KS 66207 913-967-2819 -- "I love the smell of red herrings in the morning" - anonymous -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:15 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Yeah there is a chapter on migration from 2K to K3 as well as a small chapter on upgrading to K3R2. The big wins in this version of the book if anyone asks me though are 1. A real live chapter on ADAM. First in existence that I am aware of. I like this chapter, if anyone reads it and has issues with it, please email me directly. I really like ADAM, I want to make sure my info is all correct and that it fits people's experiences with it. Heck I wouldn't mind just hearing about people's experiences so if I write anything else concerning ADAM, I can comment on it so others may not hit the same issues/pitfalls. 2. Significant updates to the Schema Chapters. 3. Significant updates to the Security Chapters. 4. A chapter on basic Exchange (AD-Related) tasks and how to script them. 5. The Site Topology and Replication chapter got a pretty serious update as well. 6. A lot of the scripts were reworked. Do not buy the book for the VB.NET and Directory Services chapter. I am not a NET person, I fully admit it, it is pretty much the same as it was in 2E. If you want a book in that realm, you want the book Joe Kaplan has been working on, I was a technical reviewer for that book and it looks like it is going to be pretty good. The TR folks can comment if they like on what they liked about it or anything they think that is in it that makes it worthwhile. I had, what I considered unusual, a two way street with feedback with the TRs. They sent me their comments, I sent back responses for many of the comments and asked for more detail or asked questions or what not as needed. I know most everything I have ever TR'ed has been sort of a black hole where I don't know if the feedback is being used or not which I never liked. At least one reviewer mentioned to me that the feedback was unusual and well accepted. I don't expect this to be the be all end all book on AD but I did try to make it so I would be happy my name was on it which if anyone knows me is not a low achievement bar, I am a bit picky. But at the same time, I know I didn't get everything perfect, there wasn't time for perfect, it had to be released this decade. It isn't a book that is in my voice/tone; it is a refresh so I attempted to follow the voice/tone that was there as much as possible as it wasn't mine to change. Some people will not like that and some people are probably thankful for it. :o) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garyphold Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:02 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... We're migrating our AD from W2K to W2K3 in the next month. And I want to be able to find out a little about the AD migration beforehand (our co
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Lilianstrom Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:19 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... I lost track of which book Joe was writing about below. Can someone refresh my memory? As for Joe writing a book about how he does things - what would be cool. al Rich Milburn wrote: > Joe I have one question for you on this book before mine arrives... am > I going to read it, and then start bugging you again about compiling a > book of AD and server best practices based off of all the good novels > you have posted on this list?? > > :) > > In fact... come to think of it... maybe there is still an unwritten > book... one that takes topics that tend to come up on this list and > deals with each on a discussion basis. It might be more useful for > consultants and architects though, but still... two examples: > > 1) empty root domain issue - pros and cons > 2) remotely managing DCs - joe you once had a long spiel on how you > used to manage all those DCs remotely, and rather than give someone DA > rights to work on it, you'd demote it, then rebuild it from bare > metal. A decent percentage of us probably knows how to do these things remotely. > But what if someone wanted to set something like this up, and it was a > new concept to them. Is there a guide out there anywhere that could > show how to do it? From setting up the imaging software, to > configuring a DC image to come up without someone clicking any buttons locally, etc? > > > A book like that would probably want a lot of input from a lot of > people, because the answers to a lot of best practices questions are > "it depends". But I bet there's a need... > > Rich > -- > - > Rich Milburn > MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services Sr Network Analyst, Field > Platform Development Applebee's International, Inc. > 4551 W. 107th St > Overland Park, KS 66207 > 913-967-2819 > -- > "I love the smell of red herrings in the morning" - anonymous > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:15 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > Yeah there is a chapter on migration from 2K to K3 as well as a small > chapter on upgrading to K3R2. > > The big wins in this version of the book if anyone asks me though are > > 1. A real live chapter on ADAM. First in existence that I am aware of. > I like this chapter, if anyone reads it and has issues with it, please > email me directly. I really like ADAM, I want to make sure my info is > all correct and that it fits people's experiences with it. Heck I > wouldn't mind just hearing about people's experiences so if I write > anything else concerning ADAM, I can comment on it so others may not > hit the same issues/pitfalls. > > 2. Significant updates to the Schema Chapters. > > 3. Significant updates to the Security Chapters. > > 4. A chapter on basic Exchange (AD-Related) tasks and how to script > them. > > 5. The Site Topology and Replication chapter got a pretty serious > update as well. > > 6. A lot of the scripts were reworked. > > Do not buy the book for the VB.NET and Directory Services chapter. I > am not a NET person, I fully admit it, it is pretty much the same as > it was in 2E. > If you want a book in that realm, you want the book Joe Kaplan has > been working on, I was a technical reviewer for that book and it looks > like it is going to be pretty good. > > > The TR folks can comment if they like on what they liked about it or > anything they think that is in it that makes it worthwhile. I had, > what I considered unusual, a two way street with feedback with the > TRs. They sent me their comments, I sent back responses for many of > the comments and asked for more detail or asked questions or what not > as needed. I know most everything I have ever TR'ed has been sort of a > black hole where I don't know if the feedback is being used or not > which I never liked. At least one reviewer mentioned to me that the > feedback was unusual and well accepted. > > I don't expect this to be the be all end all book on AD but I did try > to make it so I would be happy my name was on it which if anyone knows > me is not a low achievement bar, I am a bit picky. But at the sam
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Coleman, Hunter wrote: http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm Thanks. I had the right title but the 3rd edition wasn't coming up in my search. al -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Lilianstrom Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:19 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... I lost track of which book Joe was writing about below. Can someone refresh my memory? As for Joe writing a book about how he does things - what would be cool. al Rich Milburn wrote: Joe I have one question for you on this book before mine arrives... am I going to read it, and then start bugging you again about compiling a book of AD and server best practices based off of all the good novels you have posted on this list?? :) In fact... come to think of it... maybe there is still an unwritten book... one that takes topics that tend to come up on this list and deals with each on a discussion basis. It might be more useful for consultants and architects though, but still... two examples: 1) empty root domain issue - pros and cons 2) remotely managing DCs - joe you once had a long spiel on how you used to manage all those DCs remotely, and rather than give someone DA rights to work on it, you'd demote it, then rebuild it from bare metal. A decent percentage of us probably knows how to do these things remotely. But what if someone wanted to set something like this up, and it was a new concept to them. Is there a guide out there anywhere that could show how to do it? From setting up the imaging software, to configuring a DC image to come up without someone clicking any buttons locally, etc? A book like that would probably want a lot of input from a lot of people, because the answers to a lot of best practices questions are "it depends". But I bet there's a need... Rich -- - Rich Milburn MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services Sr Network Analyst, Field Platform Development Applebee's International, Inc. 4551 W. 107th St Overland Park, KS 66207 913-967-2819 -- "I love the smell of red herrings in the morning" - anonymous -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:15 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Yeah there is a chapter on migration from 2K to K3 as well as a small chapter on upgrading to K3R2. The big wins in this version of the book if anyone asks me though are 1. A real live chapter on ADAM. First in existence that I am aware of. I like this chapter, if anyone reads it and has issues with it, please email me directly. I really like ADAM, I want to make sure my info is all correct and that it fits people's experiences with it. Heck I wouldn't mind just hearing about people's experiences so if I write anything else concerning ADAM, I can comment on it so others may not hit the same issues/pitfalls. 2. Significant updates to the Schema Chapters. 3. Significant updates to the Security Chapters. 4. A chapter on basic Exchange (AD-Related) tasks and how to script them. 5. The Site Topology and Replication chapter got a pretty serious update as well. 6. A lot of the scripts were reworked. Do not buy the book for the VB.NET and Directory Services chapter. I am not a NET person, I fully admit it, it is pretty much the same as it was in 2E. If you want a book in that realm, you want the book Joe Kaplan has been working on, I was a technical reviewer for that book and it looks like it is going to be pretty good. The TR folks can comment if they like on what they liked about it or anything they think that is in it that makes it worthwhile. I had, what I considered unusual, a two way street with feedback with the TRs. They sent me their comments, I sent back responses for many of the comments and asked for more detail or asked questions or what not as needed. I know most everything I have ever TR'ed has been sort of a black hole where I don't know if the feedback is being used or not which I never liked. At least one reviewer mentioned to me that the feedback was unusual and well accepted. I don't expect this to be the be all end all book on AD but I did try to make it so I would be happy my name was on it which if anyone knows me is not a low achievement bar, I am a bit picky. But at the same time, I know I didn't get everything perfect, there wasn't time for perfect, it had to be released this decade. It isn't a book that is in my voice/tone; it is a refresh so I attempted to follow the voice/tone that was there as much as possible as it wasn't mine to
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Dear people, I would appreciate it it you would prioritize the following for me; [A] [ ] Work 60 hours a week managing (with only one other person) 250 PCs in 4 states and 40 Servers. [B] [ ] Live at the only bookmark in my browser when at home "www.microsoft.com" looking for solutions, etc. [C] [ ] Read joe's (et al) new book. [D] [ ] Studying for my MCSA [E] [ ] Studying for my MCP [F] [ ] Studying for my MCSE [G] [ ] Securing my network [H] [ ] Reading the new book joe is going to write on BP's [Yes, please tell me how to rebuild a DC remotely from bare metal!!] [I] [ ] Reading Robbie's book(s) (note: please sub-prioritize those books) [J] [ ] Balanicing my checkbook ( hey .. I have to do something else at home, right?) [K] [ ] Patching my network [L] [ ] Learn to script [M] [ ] Watch College basketball on TV [N] [ ] Read all of Sakari's books [O] [ ] Read the AD list archives completely "Hey, I'm almost serious here." As Guido would say, "That's enough for today." RH List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
C) Hunter and I were TRs and I would highly recommend it. Joe & Robbie have made significant changes and have cleared up a couple of my pet peeves in the scripts and security bits from the 2E book. It also still has the best introduction and explanation of VB scripting for AD. As to the BP guide... I too would like to see that. We have managed to stay fairly centralized but we are now supporting a second remote data center. The one thing that has saved us is the new version of Dell's RAC card. It has a virtual CD/floppy drive feature where you can map your local workstation drive to be the CD or floppy of the server. Using that feature I was able to do bare metal installs across the wire. Very cool and saved me a seven hour round trip drive to eastern Montana. _Stuart Fuller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:14 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Dear people, I would appreciate it it you would prioritize the following for me; [A] [ ] Work 60 hours a week managing (with only one other person) 250 PCs in 4 states and 40 Servers. [B] [ ] Live at the only bookmark in my browser when at home "www.microsoft.com" looking for solutions, etc. [C] [ ] Read joe's (et al) new book. [D] [ ] Studying for my MCSA [E] [ ] Studying for my MCP [F] [ ] Studying for my MCSE [G] [ ] Securing my network [H] [ ] Reading the new book joe is going to write on BP's [Yes, please tell me how to rebuild a DC remotely from bare metal!!] [I] [ ] Reading Robbie's book(s) (note: please sub-prioritize those books) [J] [ ] Balanicing my checkbook ( hey .. I have to do something else at home, right?) [K] [ ] Patching my network [L] [ ] Learn to script [M] [ ] Watch College basketball on TV [N] [ ] Read all of Sakari's books [O] [ ] Read the AD list archives completely "Hey, I'm almost serious here." As Guido would say, "That's enough for today." RH List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Yep, The second edition keeps popping up when I search myself. I don't know what is up with that which is one reason why I set up that page. I also did it because I am an Amazon "associate" so anyone who buys from Amazon through that link I have gets me some small amount towards a gift certificate. I usually get a $10-$12 gift certificate each quarter. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Lilianstrom Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:56 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Coleman, Hunter wrote: > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm Thanks. I had the right title but the 3rd edition wasn't coming up in my search. al > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al > Lilianstrom > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:19 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > I lost track of which book Joe was writing about below. Can someone > refresh my memory? > > As for Joe writing a book about how he does things - what would be cool. > > al > > Rich Milburn wrote: >> Joe I have one question for you on this book before mine arrives... >> am > >> I going to read it, and then start bugging you again about compiling >> a > >> book of AD and server best practices based off of all the good novels >> you have posted on this list?? >> >> :) >> >> In fact... come to think of it... maybe there is still an unwritten >> book... one that takes topics that tend to come up on this list and >> deals with each on a discussion basis. It might be more useful for >> consultants and architects though, but still... two examples: >> >> 1) empty root domain issue - pros and cons >> 2) remotely managing DCs - joe you once had a long spiel on how you >> used to manage all those DCs remotely, and rather than give someone >> DA > >> rights to work on it, you'd demote it, then rebuild it from bare >> metal. A decent percentage of us probably knows how to do these > things remotely. >> But what if someone wanted to set something like this up, and it was >> a > >> new concept to them. Is there a guide out there anywhere that could >> show how to do it? From setting up the imaging software, to >> configuring a DC image to come up without someone clicking any >> buttons > locally, etc? >> >> A book like that would probably want a lot of input from a lot of >> people, because the answers to a lot of best practices questions are >> "it depends". But I bet there's a need... >> >> Rich >> - >> - >> - >> Rich Milburn >> MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services Sr Network Analyst, Field >> Platform Development Applebee's International, Inc. >> 4551 W. 107th St >> Overland Park, KS 66207 >> 913-967-2819 >> ----- >> - "I love the smell of red herrings in the morning" - anonymous >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:15 PM >> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org >> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... >> >> Yeah there is a chapter on migration from 2K to K3 as well as a small >> chapter on upgrading to K3R2. >> >> The big wins in this version of the book if anyone asks me though are >> >> 1. A real live chapter on ADAM. First in existence that I am aware of. > >> I like this chapter, if anyone reads it and has issues with it, >> please > >> email me directly. I really like ADAM, I want to make sure my info is >> all correct and that it fits people's experiences with it. Heck I >> wouldn't mind just hearing about people's experiences so if I write >> anything else concerning ADAM, I can comment on it so others may not >> hit the same issues/pitfalls. >> >> 2. Significant updates to the Schema Chapters. >> >> 3. Significant updates to the Security Chapters. >> >> 4. A chapter on basic Exchange (AD-Related) tasks and how to script >> them. >> >> 5. The Site Topology and Replication chapter got a pretty serious >> update as well. >> >> 6. A lot of the scripts were reworked. >> >> Do not buy the book for the VB.NET and Directory Services chapter
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Those DRAC cards from dell are a POS if you've used a ILO or RILOE from HPQ not to mention the fact that those DRAC cards from Dell are a POS when you try to do disk imaging on a PowerEdge with one. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Fuller, Stuart Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:44 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... C) Hunter and I were TRs and I would highly recommend it. Joe & Robbie have made significant changes and have cleared up a couple of my pet peeves in the scripts and security bits from the 2E book. It also still has the best introduction and explanation of VB scripting for AD. As to the BP guide... I too would like to see that. We have managed to stay fairly centralized but we are now supporting a second remote data center. The one thing that has saved us is the new version of Dell's RAC card. It has a virtual CD/floppy drive feature where you can map your local workstation drive to be the CD or floppy of the server. Using that feature I was able to do bare metal installs across the wire. Very cool and saved me a seven hour round trip drive to eastern Montana. _Stuart Fuller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:14 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Dear people, I would appreciate it it you would prioritize the following for me; [A] [ ] Work 60 hours a week managing (with only one other person) 250 PCs in 4 states and 40 Servers. [B] [ ] Live at the only bookmark in my browser when at home "www.microsoft.com" looking for solutions, etc. [C] [ ] Read joe's (et al) new book. [D] [ ] Studying for my MCSA [E] [ ] Studying for my MCP [F] [ ] Studying for my MCSE [G] [ ] Securing my network [H] [ ] Reading the new book joe is going to write on BP's [Yes, please tell me how to rebuild a DC remotely from bare metal!!] [I] [ ] Reading Robbie's book(s) (note: please sub-prioritize those books) [J] [ ] Balanicing my checkbook ( hey .. I have to do something else at home, right?) [K] [ ] Patching my network [L] [ ] Learn to script [M] [ ] Watch College basketball on TV [N] [ ] Read all of Sakari's books [O] [ ] Read the AD list archives completely "Hey, I'm almost serious here." As Guido would say, "That's enough for today." RH List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ <>
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
A further note on a BP book, RE the "it depends" response: It's true that is often the answer for "it depends". But often there is a recommended way to do something (def. for best practice) and if you are following best practices then it really doesn't "depend", because the unknowns are taken care of. There are books (big, thick ones) that tell you all the ways you can do something. For people who do a lot of consulting, or are assuming a big mess, these are lifesavers. But what about the lucky [EMAIL PROTECTED]@rd that gets to build a company's infrastructure from scratch? Something that when others look at it, they can guess what's there because it makes sense, it uses defaults, it follows commonly accepted guidelines... other fields have these guidelines, I believe, more than our industry does (such as accounting's GAP). The more I think about it... the more I try to determine if I might have enough time to compile such a thing. It would draw heavily from this list... Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fuller, Stuart Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:44 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... C) Hunter and I were TRs and I would highly recommend it. Joe & Robbie have made significant changes and have cleared up a couple of my pet peeves in the scripts and security bits from the 2E book. It also still has the best introduction and explanation of VB scripting for AD. As to the BP guide... I too would like to see that. We have managed to stay fairly centralized but we are now supporting a second remote data center. The one thing that has saved us is the new version of Dell's RAC card. It has a virtual CD/floppy drive feature where you can map your local workstation drive to be the CD or floppy of the server. Using that feature I was able to do bare metal installs across the wire. Very cool and saved me a seven hour round trip drive to eastern Montana. _Stuart Fuller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:14 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Dear people, I would appreciate it it you would prioritize the following for me; [A] [ ] Work 60 hours a week managing (with only one other person) 250 PCs in 4 states and 40 Servers. [B] [ ] Live at the only bookmark in my browser when at home "www.microsoft.com" looking for solutions, etc. [C] [ ] Read joe's (et al) new book. [D] [ ] Studying for my MCSA [E] [ ] Studying for my MCP [F] [ ] Studying for my MCSE [G] [ ] Securing my network [H] [ ] Reading the new book joe is going to write on BP's [Yes, please tell me how to rebuild a DC remotely from bare metal!!] [I] [ ] Reading Robbie's book(s) (note: please sub-prioritize those books) [J] [ ] Balanicing my checkbook ( hey .. I have to do something else at home, right?) [K] [ ] Patching my network [L] [ ] Learn to script [M] [ ] Watch College basketball on TV [N] [ ] Read all of Sakari's books [O] [ ] Read the AD list archives completely "Hey, I'm almost serious here." As Guido would say, "That's enough for today." RH List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ ---APPLEBEE'S INTERNATIONAL, INC. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE--- PRIVILEGED / CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION may be contained in this message or any attachments. This information is strictly confidential and may be subject to attorney-client privilege. This message is intended only for the use of the named addressee. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or using such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this in error, you should kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail and immediately destroy this message. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. Applebee's International, Inc. reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to and from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the Applebee's International, Inc. e-mail system. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Don't search for the book - search for yourself: "Joe Richards" "Active Directory" ... gets you straight to your book. Gruesse - Sincerely, Ulf B. Simon-Weidner MVP-Book "Windows XP - Die Expertentipps": http://tinyurl.com/44zcz Weblog: http://msmvps.org/UlfBSimonWeidner Website: http://www.windowsserverfaq.org Profile: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=35E388DE-4885-4308-B489-F2F1214C811 D -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:18 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Yep, The second edition keeps popping up when I search myself. I don't know what is up with that which is one reason why I set up that page. I also did it because I am an Amazon "associate" so anyone who buys from Amazon through that link I have gets me some small amount towards a gift certificate. I usually get a $10-$12 gift certificate each quarter. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Lilianstrom Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:56 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Coleman, Hunter wrote: > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm Thanks. I had the right title but the 3rd edition wasn't coming up in my search. al > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al > Lilianstrom > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:19 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > > I lost track of which book Joe was writing about below. Can someone > refresh my memory? > > As for Joe writing a book about how he does things - what would be cool. > > al > > Rich Milburn wrote: >> Joe I have one question for you on this book before mine arrives... >> am > >> I going to read it, and then start bugging you again about compiling >> a > >> book of AD and server best practices based off of all the good novels >> you have posted on this list?? >> >> :) >> >> In fact... come to think of it... maybe there is still an unwritten >> book... one that takes topics that tend to come up on this list and >> deals with each on a discussion basis. It might be more useful for >> consultants and architects though, but still... two examples: >> >> 1) empty root domain issue - pros and cons >> 2) remotely managing DCs - joe you once had a long spiel on how you >> used to manage all those DCs remotely, and rather than give someone >> DA > >> rights to work on it, you'd demote it, then rebuild it from bare >> metal. A decent percentage of us probably knows how to do these > things remotely. >> But what if someone wanted to set something like this up, and it was >> a > >> new concept to them. Is there a guide out there anywhere that could >> show how to do it? From setting up the imaging software, to >> configuring a DC image to come up without someone clicking any >> buttons > locally, etc? >> >> A book like that would probably want a lot of input from a lot of >> people, because the answers to a lot of best practices questions are >> "it depends". But I bet there's a need... >> >> Rich >> - >> - >> - >> Rich Milburn >> MCSE, Microsoft MVP - Directory Services Sr Network Analyst, Field >> Platform Development Applebee's International, Inc. >> 4551 W. 107th St >> Overland Park, KS 66207 >> 913-967-2819 >> - >> - "I love the smell of red herrings in the morning" - anonymous >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:15 PM >> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org >> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... >> >> Yeah there is a chapter on migration from 2K to K3 as well as a small >> chapter on upgrading to K3R2. >> >> The big wins in this version of the book if anyone asks me though are >> >> 1. A real live chapter on ADAM. First in existence that I am aware of. > >> I like this chapter, if anyone reads it and has issues with it, >> please > >> email me directly. I really like ADAM, I want to make sure my info is >> all correct and that it fits people's experiences with it. Heck I >> wouldn&
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Yeah I read your posts and I think "it depends" is the standard but good answer. Everything else is kind of hard. I don't expect there are many occasions where you get to build from scratch, you are usually building from some form of infrastructure that you have to keep in mind. Would I be willing to do a "best practices" book. No. I am just no so sure I believe in "best practices" strong enough to publish something saying this is what they are. As Susan often points out the best practices can very tremendously where you are. I have several ideas bouncing around in my head with what I may do. One I can visualize being done is probably a conversational type book with cool tech questions I have answered say over the last several years with maybe further discussion and more details behind the answers. Probably break it up into some general tech sections. That would give me the most freedom I think in how and what I write so end up liking it but not sure how well it would sell. I would probably just do that through a no-name publisher so the book could be low cost. Another would be a series of a couple of books that just focused on some specific things and really tried to dig into them. AD is a huge topic and it really doesn't do it justice to try to cover tons of the tech in a single book, no one ever seems to get through it and what you do get through stops short on the depth of where you might want it to go. Or at least I have seen that myself in books in many tech areas. If this book ends up selling really well then I will that be more geeked about writing some more. I look at myself as a normal joe and find it difficult to see why people would pay to read something I write (especially when they can read what I write for free all over the place). It is one of the reasons why my tools are free. I figure, why pay for something you could pretty much do yourself if you really needed it that bad. It is more about fun for me though I wouldn't mind somehow figuring out how to make it big doing it. One idea for the best practices may be just to grab a group of experts or if you chose, a group of MVPs so you can call it the MVP AD Best Practices or something like that and let them all duke it out over what would be the best practice. As we have seen from this list several times, best practices are things that people have different opinions about. Look at the empty root discussion as a great example. You will find people that are gung ho empty root, some that are gung ho against it, some that are sort of against it but won't really fight you and some that are sort of for it but won't really fight you. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 2:30 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... A further note on a BP book, RE the "it depends" response: It's true that is often the answer for "it depends". But often there is a recommended way to do something (def. for best practice) and if you are following best practices then it really doesn't "depend", because the unknowns are taken care of. There are books (big, thick ones) that tell you all the ways you can do something. For people who do a lot of consulting, or are assuming a big mess, these are lifesavers. But what about the lucky [EMAIL PROTECTED]@rd that gets to build a company's infrastructure from scratch? Something that when others look at it, they can guess what's there because it makes sense, it uses defaults, it follows commonly accepted guidelines... other fields have these guidelines, I believe, more than our industry does (such as accounting's GAP). The more I think about it... the more I try to determine if I might have enough time to compile such a thing. It would draw heavily from this list... Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fuller, Stuart Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:44 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... C) Hunter and I were TRs and I would highly recommend it. Joe & Robbie have made significant changes and have cleared up a couple of my pet peeves in the scripts and security bits from the 2E book. It also still has the best introduction and explanation of VB scripting for AD. As to the BP guide... I too would like to see that. We have managed to stay fairly centralized but we are now supporting a second remote data center. The one thing that has saved us is the new version of Dell's RAC card. It has a virtual CD/floppy drive feature where you can map your local workstation drive to be the CD or floppy of the server. Using that feature I was able to do bare metal installs across the wire. Very cool and saved me a seven hour round trip driv
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
The thing that always bothered me about the DRACs were that they kept changing the software so you never knew from month to month what software you would use to work with them and what you could do in it. Overall though, they made life a bunch easier for us several times than it necessarily would have been otherwise. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 2:20 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Those DRAC cards from dell are a POS if you've used a ILO or RILOE from HPQ not to mention the fact that those DRAC cards from Dell are a POS when you try to do disk imaging on a PowerEdge with one. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Fuller, Stuart Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:44 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... C) Hunter and I were TRs and I would highly recommend it. Joe & Robbie have made significant changes and have cleared up a couple of my pet peeves in the scripts and security bits from the 2E book. It also still has the best introduction and explanation of VB scripting for AD. As to the BP guide... I too would like to see that. We have managed to stay fairly centralized but we are now supporting a second remote data center. The one thing that has saved us is the new version of Dell's RAC card. It has a virtual CD/floppy drive feature where you can map your local workstation drive to be the CD or floppy of the server. Using that feature I was able to do bare metal installs across the wire. Very cool and saved me a seven hour round trip drive to eastern Montana. _Stuart Fuller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:14 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Dear people, I would appreciate it it you would prioritize the following for me; [A] [ ] Work 60 hours a week managing (with only one other person) 250 PCs in 4 states and 40 Servers. [B] [ ] Live at the only bookmark in my browser when at home "www.microsoft.com" looking for solutions, etc. [C] [ ] Read joe's (et al) new book. [D] [ ] Studying for my MCSA [E] [ ] Studying for my MCP [F] [ ] Studying for my MCSE [G] [ ] Securing my network [H] [ ] Reading the new book joe is going to write on BP's [Yes, please tell me how to rebuild a DC remotely from bare metal!!] [I] [ ] Reading Robbie's book(s) (note: please sub-prioritize those books) [J] [ ] Balanicing my checkbook ( hey .. I have to do something else at home, right?) [K] [ ] Patching my network [L] [ ] Learn to script [M] [ ] Watch College basketball on TV [N] [ ] Read all of Sakari's books [O] [ ] Read the AD list archives completely "Hey, I'm almost serious here." As Guido would say, "That's enough for today." RH List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ <>
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Hey I didn't see Robbie sitting next to me typing away He was kicking me in the butt right along though going, hey how's it coming, do we need to bring in some more authors More authors!!! The nerve!!! Slave driver I tell you. I still have strap marks on my flanks. Not sure how new that virtual cd/floppy is. I was using them in the last position in 2004 I believe. They are pretty cool though there were some bothersome shorcomings too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fuller, Stuart Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:44 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... C) Hunter and I were TRs and I would highly recommend it. Joe & Robbie have made significant changes and have cleared up a couple of my pet peeves in the scripts and security bits from the 2E book. It also still has the best introduction and explanation of VB scripting for AD. As to the BP guide... I too would like to see that. We have managed to stay fairly centralized but we are now supporting a second remote data center. The one thing that has saved us is the new version of Dell's RAC card. It has a virtual CD/floppy drive feature where you can map your local workstation drive to be the CD or floppy of the server. Using that feature I was able to do bare metal installs across the wire. Very cool and saved me a seven hour round trip drive to eastern Montana. _Stuart Fuller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:14 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Dear people, I would appreciate it it you would prioritize the following for me; [A] [ ] Work 60 hours a week managing (with only one other person) 250 PCs in 4 states and 40 Servers. [B] [ ] Live at the only bookmark in my browser when at home "www.microsoft.com" looking for solutions, etc. [C] [ ] Read joe's (et al) new book. [D] [ ] Studying for my MCSA [E] [ ] Studying for my MCP [F] [ ] Studying for my MCSE [G] [ ] Securing my network [H] [ ] Reading the new book joe is going to write on BP's [Yes, please tell me how to rebuild a DC remotely from bare metal!!] [I] [ ] Reading Robbie's book(s) (note: please sub-prioritize those books) [J] [ ] Balanicing my checkbook ( hey .. I have to do something else at home, right?) [K] [ ] Patching my network [L] [ ] Learn to script [M] [ ] Watch College basketball on TV [N] [ ] Read all of Sakari's books [O] [ ] Read the AD list archives completely "Hey, I'm almost serious here." As Guido would say, "That's enough for today." RH List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Oh yeah they save our ass here too all the time. Compared to the ILO stuff from Compaq though they suck. They do some weird stuff with the drivers and the way the virtual floppy/cd shows up to the OS and when you boot. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joe Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 5:40 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... The thing that always bothered me about the DRACs were that they kept changing the software so you never knew from month to month what software you would use to work with them and what you could do in it. Overall though, they made life a bunch easier for us several times than it necessarily would have been otherwise. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 2:20 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Those DRAC cards from dell are a POS if you've used a ILO or RILOE from HPQ not to mention the fact that those DRAC cards from Dell are a POS when you try to do disk imaging on a PowerEdge with one. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Fuller, Stuart Sent: Mon 1/23/2006 10:44 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... C) Hunter and I were TRs and I would highly recommend it. Joe & Robbie have made significant changes and have cleared up a couple of my pet peeves in the scripts and security bits from the 2E book. It also still has the best introduction and explanation of VB scripting for AD. As to the BP guide... I too would like to see that. We have managed to stay fairly centralized but we are now supporting a second remote data center. The one thing that has saved us is the new version of Dell's RAC card. It has a virtual CD/floppy drive feature where you can map your local workstation drive to be the CD or floppy of the server. Using that feature I was able to do bare metal installs across the wire. Very cool and saved me a seven hour round trip drive to eastern Montana. _Stuart Fuller -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:14 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Dear people, I would appreciate it it you would prioritize the following for me; [A] [ ] Work 60 hours a week managing (with only one other person) 250 PCs in 4 states and 40 Servers. [B] [ ] Live at the only bookmark in my browser when at home "www.microsoft.com" looking for solutions, etc. [C] [ ] Read joe's (et al) new book. [D] [ ] Studying for my MCSA [E] [ ] Studying for my MCP [F] [ ] Studying for my MCSE [G] [ ] Securing my network [H] [ ] Reading the new book joe is going to write on BP's [Yes, please tell me how to rebuild a DC remotely from bare metal!!] [I] [ ] Reading Robbie's book(s) (note: please sub-prioritize those books) [J] [ ] Balanicing my checkbook ( hey .. I have to do something else at home, right?) [K] [ ] Patching my network [L] [ ] Learn to script [M] [ ] Watch College basketball on TV [N] [ ] Read all of Sakari's books [O] [ ] Read the AD list archives completely "Hey, I'm almost serious here." As Guido would say, "That's enough for today." RH List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ <>
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
1. Purchase a copy of joe's book for self and everyone at work and everyone you know. To be serious though, in your shoes, my choice would be to work 70-80 hours a week and spend the extra 10-20 hours for a while trying to identify anything that could be automated or handled in some other safe way that requires less of my time and then work to get that done. Try to find some big hitters that if you get cleared out of the way gives you more time to find more things to automate to get out of the way. If you save say 2 minutes on something you do 20 times a day that is still 40 minutes saved. Also consider that when you automate things, they tend to be done in a more consistent manner so you run into less issues due to small mistakes in consistency that cause investigation time. The last ops position that I started back in 2001 when I did this I actually ended up working closer to probably 100 or more hours a week handling manually requests and issues globally as I was the only one on the brand new team that had any understanding on how to really fix things that were broken and things at that point were very broken. That went on for months but slowly adding the appropriate scripts the work load reduced as things took minutes instead of tens of minutes or seconds instead of minutes and the other guys were able to run the scripts to do things and were spinning up on how everything worked. If you do nothing manually that is recurring I would be extremely surprised. I haven't seen an ops job yet that didn't have a lot of time spent doing the same things over and over again. If however, that is the case, then the efficiencies have to be gained in producing tools to help you troubleshoot and make that go quicker. There is always something that can be done to make a group faster, better, and more efficient. The thing is to find it and figure out what it takes to get better and then do it. It might be the solution is buy something, but that usually doesn't go over well so keep in mind anything you can buy you can probably cobble together yourself if you need it bad enough and it will help you. It falls back to something I have said multiple times on list and other places. If you are too busy chopping down the trees to sharpen the axe you will just get further and further behind as your axe dulls. In every IT ops based job I have had, it was always a case of too much work and too few resources. Not once did I get hired into an ops group that had nothing to do or a bunch of free time to sit around. I expect that makes sense because there is no reason to hire someone if there is free time. So the goal is always to try and figure out how to do things in such a way that it can be done better and more efficiently. While you are figuring out how to automate you are learning how things work so you become more deadly with your troubleshooting-fu so when problems crop up outside of the normal requests and daily grind you are quicker (hopefully) at solving them. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:14 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Dear people, I would appreciate it it you would prioritize the following for me; [A] [ ] Work 60 hours a week managing (with only one other person) 250 PCs in 4 states and 40 Servers. [B] [ ] Live at the only bookmark in my browser when at home "www.microsoft.com" looking for solutions, etc. [C] [ ] Read joe's (et al) new book. [D] [ ] Studying for my MCSA [E] [ ] Studying for my MCP [F] [ ] Studying for my MCSE [G] [ ] Securing my network [H] [ ] Reading the new book joe is going to write on BP's [Yes, please tell me how to rebuild a DC remotely from bare metal!!] [I] [ ] Reading Robbie's book(s) (note: please sub-prioritize those books) [J] [ ] Balanicing my checkbook ( hey .. I have to do something else at home, right?) [K] [ ] Patching my network [L] [ ] Learn to script [M] [ ] Watch College basketball on TV [N] [ ] Read all of Sakari's books [O] [ ] Read the AD list archives completely "Hey, I'm almost serious here." As Guido would say, "That's enough for today." RH List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
As always, thanks joe for responding to my query which was only half heartededly posed. The other half was deadly serious. To be honest, I think that many of the experts who post on this group have lost site of what it's like to work in a small shop. WE DO EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FROM SOUP TO NUTS. We unload FedEx trucks and then go install Oracle 9i. We build PCs from scratch and then go backup servers over a VPN using DAT drives (because we cannot get an integrated solution to do it). How do you automate things like the following: [1] Spending 30 minutes cleaning with alcohol and swabs the fuser roll of an HP 8100 printer so it prints without streaks? [2] Troubleshoot an HP Kayak XU800 that for months worked fine and now reboots at will? [3] Perform file maintenance on 8 major servers comprising 1 TB because Users will not clean off data and drives are maxxed? [4] Figure out why an Executive VP's Eudora email is consistently crashing? [5] Install and configure client supplied custom software on 10 new PCs for work with a high profile client? (Did I mention that some PCs are NT, some W2K and some XP and the software will only work on ... well ... guess which ones? We have to figure it out) [1] [6] Download patches for surveying program software that has to be installed on laptops that are in the field (ie: unaccessible) and waiting updates because TOPCON GPS Surveying instruments will not work until they see the patch? [7] Determine why a quarter million dollar Citrix farm routinely crashes ESRI arcGIS 9.0 taking with it the entire production of 20 Users and corrupting an Oracle database as a bonus? [8] Remotely trying to troubleshoot why a color printer in a remote site all of a sudden won't print? [9] Trying to figure out why, all of a sudden, an Adaptec snap server (running Linux under windows) now decides no one has permission to read it? [10] Oh! The custom Timesheet application that Accounting put in place now, all of a sudden, has lost all of the timesheets for this week. Where did they go? Fact is, I could go on like this for 10 more pages and not repeat a single item above, I swear that is not an exaggeration. Fact is, in the past 6 years, I have not come to work one single day and not faced a brand new problem that no one has ever seen before. No lie! You can't automate my life. You can't build scripts to do virtually any of this. Yes you could build scripts to do some, but it would not make a difference in the number of hours per week I work. Yes I could choose to work 40 hours per week and no one tells me to work 50, 60 or 70. But the work I don't get done today will be here tomorrow. I should be fixing problems right now, but I watch this list like a hawk because I know, something I read from one of the masters is going to save my life (read a__) some day and if I fail to see it then, shame on me. Well, your next question is going to be "How do you have time to write all this if you're so busy?" I take the time, just like you do. You can't tell me that you are less busy than me.I'm pretty sure you're not, but just answer me this. When you were in ops, did you have the breadth of problems that I describe above? If so, then sign me: YMYMYM because you "ARE" the master. If so, really help me out. Tell me how to automate the above ten items. Everything you and the others say is true, but unless you're living in my world, these solutions don't help me. But I still love you, ;-) [1] "YES, I know standardize." I would if I had the money, but 50% of the capital spending budget is going to buy a new airplane this year. Sorry, I can't "show you the money." RH ___ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of joe Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:03 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... 1. Purchase a copy of joe's book for self and everyone at work and everyone you know. To be serious though, in your shoes, my choice would be to work 70-80 hours a week and spend the extra 10-20 hours for a while trying to identify anything that could be automated or handled in some other safe way that requires less of my time and then work to get that done. Try to find some big hitters that if you get cleared out of the way gives you more time to find more things to automate to get out of the way. If you save say 2 minutes on something you do 20 times a day that is still 40 minutes saved. Also consider that when you automate things, they tend to be done in a more consistent manner so you run into less issues due to small mistakes in consistency that cause investigation time. The last ops position that I started back in 2001 when I did this I actually ended up working closer to probably 100 or more hours a week handling manually
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Ah I remember the days of this life - it really wasn't that long ago. 1, 8 - The issues with the printers - get a 4 year warranty on those things with NBD or 4hr onsite support. Make them fix it. It costs extra but you don't have to do it. If HP doesn't have that for their business printers (they have it for servers), find somebody in the area to pay to do it. If you take that route you could probably outsource other hardware issues to them. 3 - Get out MS word and write a policy and start implementing quotas. The initial qutoa can be something that is larger than each folder's size to prevent a fire the next day, but, start cutting back. Help people archive, find redundnancy and clean it up. Will take some time, but, we're fixing this problem with 4T of email and there's one person working on it really. If you need a commercial archiving solution - check out KVS now Veritas/Symantec Enterprise Vault. 4 - Stop sucking up to them and make them use the same as everyone else. It will happen sooner or later - now is just as good. 10 - Sounds like an accounting issue to me unless they can tell you what file or database to restore 11 - You may wish to find some budget to hire an intern to help you You're right you can't automate any of this, but, you can cut out some of it. You don't have to do everything, and it doesn't always have to be their way. If the company standard is Outlook, the company standard is Outlook. The dude that builds PCs in his basement on Saturday afternoons can fix printers - flip him some cash and have him fix yours on an SLA. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Tue 1/24/2006 9:55 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... As always, thanks joe for responding to my query which was only half heartededly posed. The other half was deadly serious. To be honest, I think that many of the experts who post on this group have lost site of what it's like to work in a small shop. WE DO EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FROM SOUP TO NUTS. We unload FedEx trucks and then go install Oracle 9i. We build PCs from scratch and then go backup servers over a VPN using DAT drives (because we cannot get an integrated solution to do it). How do you automate things like the following: [1] Spending 30 minutes cleaning with alcohol and swabs the fuser roll of an HP 8100 printer so it prints without streaks? [2] Troubleshoot an HP Kayak XU800 that for months worked fine and now reboots at will? [3] Perform file maintenance on 8 major servers comprising 1 TB because Users will not clean off data and drives are maxxed? [4] Figure out why an Executive VP's Eudora email is consistently crashing? [5] Install and configure client supplied custom software on 10 new PCs for work with a high profile client? (Did I mention that some PCs are NT, some W2K and some XP and the software will only work on ... well ... guess which ones? We have to figure it out) [1] [6] Download patches for surveying program software that has to be installed on laptops that are in the field (ie: unaccessible) and waiting updates because TOPCON GPS Surveying instruments will not work until they see the patch? [7] Determine why a quarter million dollar Citrix farm routinely crashes ESRI arcGIS 9.0 taking with it the entire production of 20 Users and corrupting an Oracle database as a bonus? [8] Remotely trying to troubleshoot why a color printer in a remote site all of a sudden won't print? [9] Trying to figure out why, all of a sudden, an Adaptec snap server (running Linux under windows) now decides no one has permission to read it? [10] Oh! The custom Timesheet application that Accounting put in place now, all of a sudden, has lost all of the timesheets for this week. Where did they go? Fact is, I could go on like this for 10 more pages and not repeat a single item above, I swear that is not an exaggeration. Fact is, in the past 6 years, I have not come to work one single day and not faced a brand new problem that no one has ever seen before. No lie! You can't automate my life. You can't build scripts to do virtually any of this. Yes you could build scripts to do some, but it would not make a difference in the number of hours per week I work. Yes I could choose to work 40 hours per week and no one tells me to work 50, 60 or 70. But the work I don't get done today will be here tomorrow. I should be fixing problems right now, but I watch this list like a hawk because I know, something I read from one of the masters is going to save my life (read a__) some day and if I fail to see it then, shame on me. Well, your next question is going to be "How do you have time to write all this if you're so busy?" I take the time, just like you do. You
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Rocky, What you might try to do, and I know that it is extremely difficult, is to train the users on how to do some stuff. Find someone at the remote location and show them how to remove a printer jam. Tell the person who owns the HP 8100 to buy a new fuser. Show the guys with the TOPCON GPS surveying instructions how to use Windows updates. It's a hoop dream, but who knows. You might be able to remove half a page out of those ten. Charlie -Original Message- From: Rocky Habeeb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:56 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... As always, thanks joe for responding to my query which was only half heartededly posed. The other half was deadly serious. To be honest, I think that many of the experts who post on this group have lost site of what it's like to work in a small shop. WE DO EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FROM SOUP TO NUTS. We unload FedEx trucks and then go install Oracle 9i. We build PCs from scratch and then go backup servers over a VPN using DAT drives (because we cannot get an integrated solution to do it). How do you automate things like the following: [1] Spending 30 minutes cleaning with alcohol and swabs the fuser roll of an HP 8100 printer so it prints without streaks? [2] Troubleshoot an HP Kayak XU800 that for months worked fine and now reboots at will? [3] Perform file maintenance on 8 major servers comprising 1 TB because Users will not clean off data and drives are maxxed? [4] Figure out why an Executive VP's Eudora email is consistently crashing? [5] Install and configure client supplied custom software on 10 new PCs for work with a high profile client? (Did I mention that some PCs are NT, some W2K and some XP and the software will only work on ... well ... guess which ones? We have to figure it out) [1] [6] Download patches for surveying program software that has to be installed on laptops that are in the field (ie: unaccessible) and waiting updates because TOPCON GPS Surveying instruments will not work until they see the patch? [7] Determine why a quarter million dollar Citrix farm routinely crashes ESRI arcGIS 9.0 taking with it the entire production of 20 Users and corrupting an Oracle database as a bonus? [8] Remotely trying to troubleshoot why a color printer in a remote site all of a sudden won't print? [9] Trying to figure out why, all of a sudden, an Adaptec snap server (running Linux under windows) now decides no one has permission to read it? [10] Oh! The custom Timesheet application that Accounting put in place now, all of a sudden, has lost all of the timesheets for this week. Where did they go? Fact is, I could go on like this for 10 more pages and not repeat a single item above, I swear that is not an exaggeration. Fact is, in the past 6 years, I have not come to work one single day and not faced a brand new problem that no one has ever seen before. No lie! You can't automate my life. You can't build scripts to do virtually any of this. Yes you could build scripts to do some, but it would not make a difference in the number of hours per week I work. Yes I could choose to work 40 hours per week and no one tells me to work 50, 60 or 70. But the work I don't get done today will be here tomorrow. I should be fixing problems right now, but I watch this list like a hawk because I know, something I read from one of the masters is going to save my life (read a__) some day and if I fail to see it then, shame on me. Well, your next question is going to be "How do you have time to write all this if you're so busy?" I take the time, just like you do. You can't tell me that you are less busy than me.I'm pretty sure you're not, but just answer me this. When you were in ops, did you have the breadth of problems that I describe above? If so, then sign me: YMYMYM because you "ARE" the master. If so, really help me out. Tell me how to automate the above ten items. Everything you and the others say is true, but unless you're living in my world, these solutions don't help me. But I still love you, ;-) [1] "YES, I know standardize." I would if I had the money, but 50% of the capital spending budget is going to buy a new airplane this year. Sorry, I can't "show you the money." RH ___ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of joe Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:03 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... 1. Purchase a copy of joe's book for self and everyone at work and everyone you know. To be serious though, in your shoes, my choice would be to work 70-80 hours a week and spend the extra 10-20 hours for a while trying to identify anything that could be automated or handled in some ot
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Rocky, I feel your pain. Same here. No time to write now, but will say this. I spent a GREAT deal of my time in the last 6 years as an IT Mgr (pronounced network admin / cook and bottle washer / yadda...) making company mgmt and owners understand that IT is like electricity, and not like a new molding oven or a building addition. It is lifeblood that needs to be there 24/7 and if you don't continually pump money into it, it goes away. And the company can't function w/o it. That said, they still have other more sexy budgetary issues that wield more of the glamour factor than IT. But they've been through this many times: hearing me tell them something emphatically, do nothing about it, have something bad happen, ask my why, and have me tell them I told you so before and you told me to shut the h--- up and sit down. Having gone thru this PRECARIOUS scenerio a number of times, they still hear what they want to hear, but they at least wince a little when they give me the brush off when I ask for something that costs money - because they know I don't make this stuff up and they know that it will be back to visit them. Bottom line - Mgmt needs to take ownership of the results of their business decisions. Tall order. But necessary to some degree for an IT Mgr to maintain their sanity. Warning: YMMV - Not recommended for everyone - May be hazardous to job status. Couldn't help the $.02, Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:56 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... As always, thanks joe for responding to my query which was only half heartededly posed. The other half was deadly serious. To be honest, I think that many of the experts who post on this group have lost site of what it's like to work in a small shop. WE DO EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FROM SOUP TO NUTS. We unload FedEx trucks and then go install Oracle 9i. We build PCs from scratch and then go backup servers over a VPN using DAT drives (because we cannot get an integrated solution to do it). How do you automate things like the following: [1] Spending 30 minutes cleaning with alcohol and swabs the fuser roll of an HP 8100 printer so it prints without streaks? [2] Troubleshoot an HP Kayak XU800 that for months worked fine and now reboots at will? [3] Perform file maintenance on 8 major servers comprising 1 TB because Users will not clean off data and drives are maxxed? [4] Figure out why an Executive VP's Eudora email is consistently crashing? [5] Install and configure client supplied custom software on 10 new PCs for work with a high profile client? (Did I mention that some PCs are NT, some W2K and some XP and the software will only work on ... well ... guess which ones? We have to figure it out) [1] [6] Download patches for surveying program software that has to be installed on laptops that are in the field (ie: unaccessible) and waiting updates because TOPCON GPS Surveying instruments will not work until they see the patch? [7] Determine why a quarter million dollar Citrix farm routinely crashes ESRI arcGIS 9.0 taking with it the entire production of 20 Users and corrupting an Oracle database as a bonus? [8] Remotely trying to troubleshoot why a color printer in a remote site all of a sudden won't print? [9] Trying to figure out why, all of a sudden, an Adaptec snap server (running Linux under windows) now decides no one has permission to read it? [10] Oh! The custom Timesheet application that Accounting put in place now, all of a sudden, has lost all of the timesheets for this week. Where did they go? Fact is, I could go on like this for 10 more pages and not repeat a single item above, I swear that is not an exaggeration. Fact is, in the past 6 years, I have not come to work one single day and not faced a brand new problem that no one has ever seen before. No lie! You can't automate my life. You can't build scripts to do virtually any of this. Yes you could build scripts to do some, but it would not make a difference in the number of hours per week I work. Yes I could choose to work 40 hours per week and no one tells me to work 50, 60 or 70. But the work I don't get done today will be here tomorrow. I should be fixing problems right now, but I watch this list like a hawk because I know, something I read from one of the masters is going to save my life (read a__) some day and if I fail to see it then, shame on me. Well, your next question is going to be "How do you have time to write all this if you're so busy?" I take the time, just like you do. You can't tell me that you are less busy than me.I'm pretty sure you're not, but just answer me this. When you were in ops, did you have the breadth of problems that I describe above? If so, then sign me: YMYMYM because
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
> Bottom line - Mgmt needs to take ownership of the results of > their business decisions. Tall order. But necessary to some > degree for an IT Mgr to maintain their sanity. > > Warning: YMMV - Not recommended for everyone - May be > hazardous to job status. Well telling them is a hazard because they might fire you if they don't like what you're saying. Not telling them is a hazard because they won't understand they've set you an impossible task, and will fire you for failing. If I'm gonna run the risk of being executed either way, I'd rather get it for doing the right thing... rob List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
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People, Here is the "RH Code Of Conduct" that I coined 10 years ago and have been living by since then: "A good Administrator will always; [1] Swear not to sacrifice technical necessity for political expediency. [2] Manage not only the job at hand but the expectations of the job outcome. [3] Never be afraid to tell Management that something can't be done. [4] Walk away knowing, not guessing, that the user understood. [5] Treat Murphy's Law like the physical law of nature that it really is. [6] Not spare expense when dealing with critical data. [7] Remember that anybody can do anything. [8] Remember that all it takes is one small slip and it all becomes a job from Hell. [9] Never be put into a situation requiring justification. [10] Never do anything to damage his own reputation." I don't have a problem telling Management anything and never have but it doesn't make them more amenable to you. Thanks all for your compassion. We "Drive On." RH ___ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rob MOIR Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > Bottom line - Mgmt needs to take ownership of the results of > their business decisions. Tall order. But necessary to some > degree for an IT Mgr to maintain their sanity. > > Warning: YMMV - Not recommended for everyone - May be > hazardous to job status. Well telling them is a hazard because they might fire you if they don't like what you're saying. Not telling them is a hazard because they won't understand they've set you an impossible task, and will fire you for failing. If I'm gonna run the risk of being executed either way, I'd rather get it for doing the right thing... rob List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Got one word for you... Interns There are so many people trying to get into this field, you should be able to hire a couple for a nominal fee to gain experience. Granted you could create twice as much work, but the payoffs could be extra time off, and being able to do things you rather do then have to do. TM -Original Message- From: Garyphold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:43 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Rocky, I feel your pain. Same here. No time to write now, but will say this. I spent a GREAT deal of my time in the last 6 years as an IT Mgr (pronounced network admin / cook and bottle washer / yadda...) making company mgmt and owners understand that IT is like electricity, and not like a new molding oven or a building addition. It is lifeblood that needs to be there 24/7 and if you don't continually pump money into it, it goes away. And the company can't function w/o it. That said, they still have other more sexy budgetary issues that wield more of the glamour factor than IT. But they've been through this many times: hearing me tell them something emphatically, do nothing about it, have something bad happen, ask my why, and have me tell them I told you so before and you told me to shut the h--- up and sit down. Having gone thru this PRECARIOUS scenerio a number of times, they still hear what they want to hear, but they at least wince a little when they give me the brush off when I ask for something that costs money - because they know I don't make this stuff up and they know that it will be back to visit them. Bottom line - Mgmt needs to take ownership of the results of their business decisions. Tall order. But necessary to some degree for an IT Mgr to maintain their sanity. Warning: YMMV - Not recommended for everyone - May be hazardous to job status. Couldn't help the $.02, Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:56 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... As always, thanks joe for responding to my query which was only half heartededly posed. The other half was deadly serious. To be honest, I think that many of the experts who post on this group have lost site of what it's like to work in a small shop. WE DO EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FROM SOUP TO NUTS. We unload FedEx trucks and then go install Oracle 9i. We build PCs from scratch and then go backup servers over a VPN using DAT drives (because we cannot get an integrated solution to do it). How do you automate things like the following: [1] Spending 30 minutes cleaning with alcohol and swabs the fuser roll of an HP 8100 printer so it prints without streaks? [2] Troubleshoot an HP Kayak XU800 that for months worked fine and now reboots at will? [3] Perform file maintenance on 8 major servers comprising 1 TB because Users will not clean off data and drives are maxxed? [4] Figure out why an Executive VP's Eudora email is consistently crashing? [5] Install and configure client supplied custom software on 10 new PCs for work with a high profile client? (Did I mention that some PCs are NT, some W2K and some XP and the software will only work on ... well ... guess which ones? We have to figure it out) [1] [6] Download patches for surveying program software that has to be installed on laptops that are in the field (ie: unaccessible) and waiting updates because TOPCON GPS Surveying instruments will not work until they see the patch? [7] Determine why a quarter million dollar Citrix farm routinely crashes ESRI arcGIS 9.0 taking with it the entire production of 20 Users and corrupting an Oracle database as a bonus? [8] Remotely trying to troubleshoot why a color printer in a remote site all of a sudden won't print? [9] Trying to figure out why, all of a sudden, an Adaptec snap server (running Linux under windows) now decides no one has permission to read it? [10] Oh! The custom Timesheet application that Accounting put in place now, all of a sudden, has lost all of the timesheets for this week. Where did they go? Fact is, I could go on like this for 10 more pages and not repeat a single item above, I swear that is not an exaggeration. Fact is, in the past 6 years, I have not come to work one single day and not faced a brand new problem that no one has ever seen before. No lie! You can't automate my life. You can't build scripts to do virtually any of this. Yes you could build scripts to do some, but it would not make a difference in the number of hours per week I work. Yes I could choose to work 40 hours per week and no one tells me to work 50, 60 or 70. But the work I don't get done today will be here tomorrow. I should be fixing problems right now, but I watch this list like a hawk because I know, something
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That and you might find one of them is suitable to hire as an assistant full time. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) [E] Sent: Tue 1/24/2006 11:56 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Got one word for you... Interns There are so many people trying to get into this field, you should be able to hire a couple for a nominal fee to gain experience. Granted you could create twice as much work, but the payoffs could be extra time off, and being able to do things you rather do then have to do. TM -Original Message- From: Garyphold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:43 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... Rocky, I feel your pain. Same here. No time to write now, but will say this. I spent a GREAT deal of my time in the last 6 years as an IT Mgr (pronounced network admin / cook and bottle washer / yadda...) making company mgmt and owners understand that IT is like electricity, and not like a new molding oven or a building addition. It is lifeblood that needs to be there 24/7 and if you don't continually pump money into it, it goes away. And the company can't function w/o it. That said, they still have other more sexy budgetary issues that wield more of the glamour factor than IT. But they've been through this many times: hearing me tell them something emphatically, do nothing about it, have something bad happen, ask my why, and have me tell them I told you so before and you told me to shut the h--- up and sit down. Having gone thru this PRECARIOUS scenerio a number of times, they still hear what they want to hear, but they at least wince a little when they give me the brush off when I ask for something that costs money - because they know I don't make this stuff up and they know that it will be back to visit them. Bottom line - Mgmt needs to take ownership of the results of their business decisions. Tall order. But necessary to some degree for an IT Mgr to maintain their sanity. Warning: YMMV - Not recommended for everyone - May be hazardous to job status. Couldn't help the $.02, Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:56 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... As always, thanks joe for responding to my query which was only half heartededly posed. The other half was deadly serious. To be honest, I think that many of the experts who post on this group have lost site of what it's like to work in a small shop. WE DO EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FROM SOUP TO NUTS. We unload FedEx trucks and then go install Oracle 9i. We build PCs from scratch and then go backup servers over a VPN using DAT drives (because we cannot get an integrated solution to do it). How do you automate things like the following: [1] Spending 30 minutes cleaning with alcohol and swabs the fuser roll of an HP 8100 printer so it prints without streaks? [2] Troubleshoot an HP Kayak XU800 that for months worked fine and now reboots at will? [3] Perform file maintenance on 8 major servers comprising 1 TB because Users will not clean off data and drives are maxxed? [4] Figure out why an Executive VP's Eudora email is consistently crashing? [5] Install and configure client supplied custom software on 10 new PCs for work with a high profile client? (Did I mention that some PCs are NT, some W2K and some XP and the software will only work on ... well ... guess which ones? We have to figure it out) [1] [6] Download patches for surveying program software that has to be installed on laptops that are in the field (ie: unaccessible) and waiting updates because TOPCON GPS Surveying instruments will not work until they see the patch? [7] Determine why a quarter million dollar Citrix farm routinely crashes ESRI arcGIS 9.0 taking with it the entire production of 20 Users and corrupting an Oracle database as a bonus? [8] Remotely trying to troubleshoot why a color printer in a remote site all of a sudden won't print? [9] Trying to figure out why, all of a sudden, an Adaptec snap server (running Linux under windows) now decides no one has permission to read it? [10] Oh! The custom Timesheet application that Accounting put in place now, all of a sudden, has lost all of the timesheets for this week. Where did they go? Fact is, I could go on like this for 10 more pages and not repeat a single item above, I swear that is not an exaggeration. Fact is, in the past 6 years, I have not come to work one single day and not faced a brand new problem that no one has ever seen before. No lie! You can't automate my life. You can't build scripts to do virtually any of this. Yes yo
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. If you have good backups, heck just set up the process to start cleaning up after the backups and just delete things. If it is MP3's, MPGs, and various images depending on what your company does, you could see a surprising gain in disk space and the folks will be scared to ask you to restore their files anyway and consider themselves lucky for not being hauled in front of a manager. To wrap this overly long note up. Nothing anyone on this list says will apply 100% to anyone else. The environments vary greatly and what I think is a great idea in one place I will think is a horrible idea somewhere else let alone what others may think. Basically it is up to Rocky, if you say it isn't possible to make what you do more efficient, I can't argue the point, I have no ground to stand on. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rocky Habeeb Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:56 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... As always, thanks joe for responding to my query which was only half heartededly posed. The other half was deadly serious. To be honest, I think that many of the experts who post on this group have lost site of what it's like to work in a small shop. WE DO EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FROM SOUP TO NUTS. We unload FedEx trucks and then go install Oracle 9i. We build PCs from scratch and then go backup servers over a VPN using DAT drives (because we cannot get an integrated solution to do it). How do you automate things like the following: [1] Spending 30 minutes cleaning with alcohol and swabs the fuser roll of an HP 8100 printer so it prints without streaks? [2] Troubleshoot an HP Kayak XU800 that for months worked fine and now reboots at will? [3] Perform file maintenance on 8 major servers comprising 1 TB because Users will not clean off data and drives are maxxed? [4] Figure out why an Executive VP's Eudora email is consistently crashing? [5] Install and configure client supplied custom software on 10 new PCs for work with a high profile client? (Did I mention that some PCs are NT, some W2K and some XP and the software will only work on ... well ... guess which ones? We have to figure it out) [1] [6] Download patches for surveying program software that has to be installed on laptops that are in the field (ie: unaccessible) and waiting updates because TOPCON GPS Surveying instruments will not work until they see the patch? [7] Determine why a quarter million dollar Citrix farm routinely crashes ESRI arcGIS 9.0 taking with it the entire production of 20 Users and corrupting an Oracle database as a bonus? [8] Remotely trying to troubleshoot why a color printer in a remote site all of a sudden won't print? [9] Trying to figure out why, all of a sudden, an Adaptec snap server (running Linux under windows) now decides no one has permission to read it? [10] Oh! The custom Timesheet application that Accounting put in place now, all of a sudden, has lost all of the timesheets for this week. Where did they go? Fact is, I could go on like this for 10 more pages and not repeat a single item above, I swear that is not an exaggeration. Fact is, in the past 6 years, I have not come to work one single day and not faced a brand new problem that no one has ever seen before. No lie! You can't automate my life. You can't build scripts to do virtually any of this. Yes you could build scripts to do some, but it would not make a difference in the number of hours per week I work. Yes I could choose to work 40 hours per week and no one tells me to work 50, 60 or 70. But the work I don't get done today will be here tomorrow. I should be fixing problems right now, but I watch this list like a hawk because I know, something I read from one of the masters is going to save my life (read a__) some day and if I fail to see it then, shame on me. Well, your next question is going to be "How do you have time to write all this if you're so busy?" I take the time, just like you do. You can't tell me that you are less busy than me.I'm pretty sure you're not, but just answer me this. When you were in ops, did you have the breadth of problems that I describe above? If so, then sign me: YMYMYM because you "ARE" the master. If so, really help me out. Tell me how to automate the above ten items. Everything you and the others say is true, but unless you're living in my world, these solutions don't help me. But I still love you, ;-) [1] "YES, I know standardize." I would if I had the money, but 50% of the capital spending budget is going to buy a new airplane this year. Sorry, I can't "show you the money." RH ___ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of joe Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books...
Agreed 110%. The last two positions I have moved on from were due to not holding back what I thought. I fully stand behind all of it and would do it all again. Call it bull-headedness or integrity or stupidity. Whatever it is, I am guilty of it. It is the only way I know to properly do the job and I have a very difficult time doing a job in any other way. If it isn't worth giving 100%, is it worth doing at all? I refuse to willingly go down a path that is going to end up screwing me for doing it. If someone is telling me to do something that is in my mind completely wrong, they absolutely will hear it. If I still have to do it, I either will or I won't depending on how strongly I feel about it and how much fallout I think there would be. If I do it though and it goes pear shaped in the way I forecast later, the person who made me do it will not be allowed to forget the fact that I pointed it out ahead of time. It isn't about saying I am right and you are wrong as I don't care as much about that as making sure everything works well. It is to say, listen to me next time so we don't go through this again. My forecasting capability tends to be pretty decent but of course if it works out just fine, I have also received a chance to learn to listen better to someone else... Or possibly I scrambled and found other ways to protect against or lessen the effects of what I considered inevitable failure that I didn't think of the first time I had to work up a counter. Necessity is the mother of invention, you can get really creative if you don't want to be on the receiving end of a beating because something bad happened on your watch. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob MOIR Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: speaking of AD books... > Bottom line - Mgmt needs to take ownership of the results of their > business decisions. Tall order. But necessary to some degree for an > IT Mgr to maintain their sanity. > > Warning: YMMV - Not recommended for everyone - May be hazardous to > job status. Well telling them is a hazard because they might fire you if they don't like what you're saying. Not telling them is a hazard because they won't understand they've set you an impossible task, and will fire you for failing. If I'm gonna run the risk of being executed either way, I'd rather get it for doing the right thing... rob List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
