date:20190620

Yeah, that might be right.

Really just need to make sure it's going to survive the winter/summer cycles, 
both ends will be protected.

Not sure where to get 1m or 2m patch cables like these then unless I do order 
custom?

Seems like some vendor should have something like this in stock.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 4:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for unusual splice case

I don't think the #40384 is an actual outdoor cable.  I was asking FS For 
outdoor cables, and they said that only the custom length indoor/outdoor cables 
are outdoor rated.
On 6/20/2019 4:48 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Actually I think I'll just use these items from FS.com

Splice case for DFP-1246#35858
LC duplex #76105
Cabinet side splice case for DFP-1246  #18013
1m Outdoor LC to LC SMF outdoor cable#40384

That should get me the splice case for outdoor/roof/tower and inside/cabinet 
with LC if I just cut and splice some LC SMF patch cords lying around.

And just lose patch shielded RJ45 male to female.

The screw terminals might work for DC positive and negative distribution on the 
outdoor case, right?

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 2:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for unusual splice case

Continuing with my 'new' model POP/Tower distro.

I need an unusual splice case or solution to tower/roof terminate Shireen 
SFP-1246 that has 4 C SMF fiber, 2 C 12 AWG and shielded Cat6 Ethernet.

It would be best if I could mount it to a J arm, feed in the Shireen, and be 
able to pull out up to three separate DC feeds, one or two LC patch cables and 
a shielded Cat6 patch.



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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for unusual splice case

2019-06-20 Thread Nate Burke

I don't think the #40384 is an actual outdoor cable.  I was asking FS 
For outdoor cables, and they said that only the custom length 
indoor/outdoor cables are outdoor rated.


On 6/20/2019 4:48 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Actually I think I’ll just use these items from FS.com

Splice case for DFP-1246 #35858

LC duplex     #76105

Cabinet side splice case for DFP-1246 #18013

1m Outdoor LC to LC SMF outdoor cable    #40384

That should get me the splice case for outdoor/roof/tower and 
inside/cabinet with LC if I just cut and splice some LC SMF patch 
cords lying around.


And just lose patch shielded RJ45 male to female.

The screw terminals might work for DC positive and negative 
distribution on the outdoor case, right?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 2:40 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for unusual splice case

Continuing with my ‘new’ model POP/Tower distro.

I need an unusual splice case or solution to tower/roof terminate 
Shireen SFP-1246 that has 4 C SMF fiber, 2 C 12 AWG and shielded Cat6 
Ethernet.


It would be best if I could mount it to a J arm, feed in the Shireen, 
and be able to pull out up to three separate DC feeds, one or two LC 
patch cables and a shielded Cat6 patch.





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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

2019-06-20 Thread SmarterBroadband

Multiping is great for this.

 

www.multiping.com  

 

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 9:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

 

I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  Lately
they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

 

What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something
and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a
freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going
to want some money.  

 

I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure
someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS
every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back
record the time.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for unusual splice case

Actually I think I'll just use these items from FS.com

Splice case for DFP-1246#35858
LC duplex #76105
Cabinet side splice case for DFP-1246  #18013
1m Outdoor LC to LC SMF outdoor cable#40384

That should get me the splice case for outdoor/roof/tower and inside/cabinet 
with LC if I just cut and splice some LC SMF patch cords lying around.

And just lose patch shielded RJ45 male to female.

The screw terminals might work for DC positive and negative distribution on the 
outdoor case, right?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 2:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for unusual splice case

Continuing with my 'new' model POP/Tower distro.

I need an unusual splice case or solution to tower/roof terminate Shireen 
SFP-1246 that has 4 C SMF fiber, 2 C 12 AWG and shielded Cat6 Ethernet.

It would be best if I could mount it to a J arm, feed in the Shireen, and be 
able to pull out up to three separate DC feeds, one or two LC patch cables and 
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Re: [AFMUG] akamai contact

Title: Re: [AFMUG] akamai contact


Ken,

You of all people know it is my problem because I'm the ISP.  Everything is my problem.  Also, it appears that the netgear traffic monitor doesn't count it's own traffic.  While it is merrily going it's way downloading almost 1G/hour, if fails to reflect that.  Now his netgear genie says he only download 5 Gig a day, but my system is reporting he downloaded about 30 Gig a day, who do you think he believes?  Yeah, I'll be having a long phone call tomorrow trying to explain this to him.  It will end with "You need to call Netgear", but it will take a while to get there.



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If customer had a managed router from you, this would be simple, you could look remotely at the connection tracking or NAT translation table along with the DHCP hosts list and determine which device on the LAN is sending traffic to that Akamai IP address.  Or you could set a firewall rule and log the packets, or you could torch the traffic or equivalent.  Lots of tools with a managed router.
 
But since customer has their own router which you don’t manage, how is this your problem?
 
And BTW, port 443 could be anything using HTTPS, that doesn’t narrow it down much.
 
 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] akamai contact
 
probably hacked. Isolate it. factory reset it, FW update it manually.factory reset it again
 
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:16 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:




Just  an  update  on  this.   I  have isolated the IP address.  I have
confirmed  that  something  on  his  system  is  requesting  the data.
TCP/443.   I have blocked all packets leaving his system going to that
IP  address.   That  has  stopped  the  download  of  course,  but  it is
continuously requesting data.  We powered off all devices and it still
continued.  Of course powering off router killed the traffic.

What  are  the chances that it is the Netgear router?  It is a Netgear
(R7000P-100NAS)  Nighthawk AC2300 router.  The usage spike started the
day  he installed the router.  Could it be in some type of FW download
loop?


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Monday, June 17, 2019, 11:53:27 AM, you wrote:

MMT> Anyone  have  a  akamai  contact.   I have a customer getting a steady
MMT> stream  of  data  from  an  IP  address  that  resolves  back to them.
MMT> Currently  blocking  the  address  for the customer, but that is not a
MMT> long term solution.  Would like to figure out who or what at akamai is
MMT> using that address.

MMT> Tried calling them, but got nowhere fast.


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MMT> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
MMT> www.Myakka.com



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Re: [AFMUG] akamai contact

If customer had a managed router from you, this would be simple, you could look 
remotely at the connection tracking or NAT translation table along with the 
DHCP hosts list and determine which device on the LAN is sending traffic to 
that Akamai IP address.  Or you could set a firewall rule and log the packets, 
or you could torch the traffic or equivalent.  Lots of tools with a managed 
router.

 

But since customer has their own router which you don’t manage, how is this 
your problem?

 

And BTW, port 443 could be anything using HTTPS, that doesn’t narrow it down 
much.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] akamai contact

 

probably hacked. Isolate it. factory reset it, FW update it manually.factory 
reset it again

 

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:16 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Just  an  update  on  this.   I  have isolated the IP address.  I have
confirmed  that  something  on  his  system  is  requesting  the data.
TCP/443.   I have blocked all packets leaving his system going to that
IP  address.   That  has  stopped  the  download  of  course,  but  it is
continuously requesting data.  We powered off all devices and it still
continued.  Of course powering off router killed the traffic.

What  are  the chances that it is the Netgear router?  It is a Netgear
(R7000P-100NAS)  Nighthawk AC2300 router.  The usage spike started the
day  he installed the router.  Could it be in some type of FW download
loop?


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Monday, June 17, 2019, 11:53:27 AM, you wrote:

MMT> Anyone  have  a  akamai  contact.   I have a customer getting a steady
MMT> stream  of  data  from  an  IP  address  that  resolves  back to them.
MMT> Currently  blocking  the  address  for the customer, but that is not a
MMT> long term solution.  Would like to figure out who or what at akamai is
MMT> using that address.

MMT> Tried calling them, but got nowhere fast.


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MMT>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com 
 

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MMT> www.Myakka.com  



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Re: [AFMUG] akamai contact

Title: Re: [AFMUG] akamai contact

Steve,

OK just for shits and giggles I typed in the bad ip address https://72.246.60.96 and got this from my browser

"Websites prove their identity via certificates. Firefox does not trust this site because it uses a certificate that is not valid for 72.246.60.96. The certificate is only valid for the following names: www.downloads.netgear.com, updates1.netgear.com, http.fw.updates1.netgear.com, arloupdates.netgear.com, updates.netgear.com, acupdatesdl2.netgear.com, acdownload.netgear.com, updates.arlo.com, kb1.netgear.com, acupdatesdl.netgear.com"

So, I'm going with my first guess that the netgear router is screwed.

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Thursday, June 20, 2019, 4:19:32 PM, you wrote:

probably hacked. Isolate it. factory reset it, FW update it manually.factory reset it again

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:16 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:

Just an update on this. I have isolated the IP address. I have
confirmed that something on his system is requesting the data.
TCP/443. I have blocked all packets leaving his system going to that
IP address. That has stopped the download of course, but it is
continuously requesting data. We powered off all devices and it still
continued. Of course powering off router killed the traffic.

What are the chances that it is the Netgear router? It is a Netgear
(R7000P-100NAS) Nighthawk AC2300 router. The usage spike started the
day he installed the router. Could it be in some type of FW download
loop?

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Monday, June 17, 2019, 11:53:27 AM, you wrote:

MMT> Anyone have a akamai contact. I have a customer getting a steady
MMT> stream of data from an IP address that resolves back to them.
MMT> Currently blocking the address for the customer, but that is not a
MMT> long term solution. Would like to figure out who or what at akamai is
MMT> using that address.

MMT> Tried calling them, but got nowhere fast.

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MMT> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

MMT> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
MMT> www.Myakka.com

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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

Title: Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

Steve,

OK just for shits and giggles I typed in the bad ip address https://72.246.60.96 and got this from my browser

So, I'm going with my first guess that the netgear router is screwed.

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Thursday, June 20, 2019, 4:22:07 PM, you wrote:

i bought perpetual Multiping. I use it quite often, you can control the polled stuff a little better. its got a trial, but its so cheap its worth just buying it for the data collection

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 2:06 PM Trey Scarborough wrote:

If its on a fiber Ethernet system I would buy some older accedian metronids and put on either end. You can easily find them on ebay for ~$100 you can set up oam reporting on them. It will give you much more detail than a ping as you can set it up to set so many packets every x ms and it will track it and in what direction the error was. They are also great for running RFC2544 throughput tests.
other than that I would recommend vaping its a alternative to smokeping https://github.com/20c/vaping

Trey

On 6/20/2019 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites. Lately they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something and make a graph? I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going to want some money.

I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure someone has already done it. Really simple, ping something like Google DNS every 30 seconds. If it is down, record the time. When it comes back record the time.

Trey Scarborough
VP Engineering
3DS Communications LLC
p:9729741539
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[AFMUG] Looking for unusual splice case

Continuing with my 'new' model POP/Tower distro.

I need an unusual splice case or solution to tower/roof terminate Shireen 
SFP-1246 that has 4 C SMF fiber, 2 C 12 AWG and shielded Cat6 Ethernet.

It would be best if I could mount it to a J arm, feed in the Shireen, and be 
able to pull out up to three separate DC feeds, one or two LC patch cables and 
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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

i bought perpetual Multiping. I use it quite often, you can control the
polled stuff a little better. its got a trial, but its so cheap its worth
just buying it for the data collection

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 2:06 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> If its on a fiber Ethernet system I would buy some older accedian
> metronids and put on either end. You can easily find them on ebay for ~$100
> you can set up oam reporting on them. It will give you much more detail
> than a ping as you can set it up to set so many packets every x ms and it
> will track it and in what direction the error was. They are also great for
> running RFC2544 throughput tests.
>
> other than that I would recommend vaping its a alternative to smokeping
> https://github.com/20c/vaping
>
>
> Trey
>
>
> On 6/20/2019 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.
> Lately they have been having big problems on their fiber system.
>
> What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping
> something and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but
> it had a freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they
> are going to want some money.
>
> I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure
> someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS
> every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back
> record the time.
>
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> VP Engineering
> 3DS Communications LLC
> p:9729741539
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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Ok.

I can terminate, but am interested in how Best-tronics delivers their 
pre-terminated cable.

Does it have weather rated terminated SMF LC UPC style? That would be nice for 
SMF bidi.


From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 2:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

We either get pre-terminated Commscope cable from Best-tronics (just call 
them!) or Shireen hybrid cable from Streakwave, etc.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:06 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Awesome info, thanks!!

Where are you getting the Shireen hybrid fiber cable and what is the part 
number for that?

Definitely need that.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Our typical setup medium sized sites is:

Traco TSP-360-148 (360W @ 48V)
Traco TSP-BCM48A (we usually put a string of 4 12-33ah 12V batteries on these)

For very small sites, where we only need (or can fit) 1 12V battery, but still 
require 48VDC, we do:

Meanwell SDR-240-48
Traco TSP-BCMU (good for ~220W, can output either 24VDC or 48VDC with a single 
12VDC battery.. we usually put a single 18-33ah battery on these)

Voltage drop obviously depends on length of the run, but you should be able to 
easily calculate that.  We usually adjust our PSU's (at the bottom) to ~54VDC 
and we typically see ~49-51VDC at the top.  Yes, you can tweak the output of 
both the Meanwell and the Traco to compensate for voltage drop if needed.

We use a Shireen hybrid fiber cable which has a 12AWG pair for DC.  We use 
these up to 200ft or so.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:47 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
So what’s the Traco parts list for that?

I don’t do this stuff normally, so excited to get started and try it out.

If I’m pushing 48v up top to a roof, what’s the voltage drop?

I assume these DC units can somehow be tweaked so that output can accommodate 
for voltage drop.

What size wire is everyone using typically for this, usually 30-100 ft max 
length?

I’m assuming it’s something like 10 AWG? At 48v and 5A and 50’ is maybe 47.5v 
at the end?
So I would push 49 or 50v just to be safe?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

FWIW - we have lots of EdgePoint S16's that are powered by Traco BCM/TSP combos 
@ ~54V with no issues.

I agree with others - your battery plant should be 48VDC.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 10:15 AM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Yeah, I’ll probably just use 48v battery array in series and float higher.

That particular device can do 48v, it just may shut down POE if it gets lower 
than 48v.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Why not run your system at 54 volts?  If the radio freaks out above 54, just 
set it at 54 and you should be fine.  Battery strings don’t exceed the float 
voltage of the rectifier.  If you are worried about it float at 53.75 volts.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like this.

Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.  Meanwell 
has a good selection.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe even 
just 50v?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, it's 
like 50% less

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout

Re: [AFMUG] akamai contact

probably hacked. Isolate it. factory reset it, FW update it
manually.factory reset it again

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:16 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Just  an  update  on  this.   I  have isolated the IP address.  I have
> confirmed  that  something  on  his  system  is  requesting  the data.
> TCP/443.   I have blocked all packets leaving his system going to that
> IP  address.   That  has  stopped  the  download  of  course,  but  it is
> continuously requesting data.  We powered off all devices and it still
> continued.  Of course powering off router killed the traffic.
>
> What  are  the chances that it is the Netgear router?  It is a Netgear
> (R7000P-100NAS)  Nighthawk AC2300 router.  The usage spike started the
> day  he installed the router.  Could it be in some type of FW download
> loop?
>
>
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>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
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>
> MMT> Anyone  have  a  akamai  contact.   I have a customer getting a steady
> MMT> stream  of  data  from  an  IP  address  that  resolves  back to them.
> MMT> Currently  blocking  the  address  for the customer, but that is not a
> MMT> long term solution.  Would like to figure out who or what at akamai is
> MMT> using that address.
>
> MMT> Tried calling them, but got nowhere fast.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question

2019-06-20 Thread Ben Royer

The nice thing is it’s not local. it’s a State Highway, and the local 
government, that of which I’m a part of, doesn’t like the light either! lol.  
It’s a town of 4,500 people getting a stop light on an intersection that 
doesn’t need one... but the State wanted one there apparently.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question

embedding in local politics sometimes has less than positive effects.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 2:58 PM  wrote:

  Better dead than red?

  From: Ben Royer 
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:53 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Marketing Question

  Alright, looking for wording ideas on an ad I’m doing!!!  I’m redoing a 
billboard right by an intersection in a small town that is getting a stop 
light.  I’m thinking of spinning the cities disdain for this light into an ad.  
Something like, ‘No red lights from us, unlimited high speed, no data caps.’  
Etc.   any catchy ideas from ya’ll?

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net

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Re: [AFMUG] akamai contact

Just  an  update  on  this.   I  have isolated the IP address.  I have
confirmed  that  something  on  his  system  is  requesting  the data.
TCP/443.   I have blocked all packets leaving his system going to that
IP  address.   That  has  stopped  the  download  of  course,  but  it is
continuously requesting data.  We powered off all devices and it still
continued.  Of course powering off router killed the traffic.

What  are  the chances that it is the Netgear router?  It is a Netgear
(R7000P-100NAS)  Nighthawk AC2300 router.  The usage spike started the
day  he installed the router.  Could it be in some type of FW download
loop?


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MMT> Anyone  have  a  akamai  contact.   I have a customer getting a steady
MMT> stream  of  data  from  an  IP  address  that  resolves  back to them.
MMT> Currently  blocking  the  address  for the customer, but that is not a
MMT> long term solution.  Would like to figure out who or what at akamai is
MMT> using that address.

MMT> Tried calling them, but got nowhere fast.


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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

2019-06-20 Thread Josh Baird

We either get pre-terminated Commscope cable from Best-tronics (just call
them!) or Shireen hybrid cable from Streakwave, etc.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:06 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Awesome info, thanks!!
>
>
>
> Where are you getting the Shireen hybrid fiber cable and what is the part
> number for that?
>
>
>
> Definitely need that.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> Our typical setup medium sized sites is:
>
>
>
> Traco TSP-360-148 (360W @ 48V)
>
> Traco TSP-BCM48A (we usually put a string of 4 12-33ah 12V batteries on
> these)
>
>
>
> For very small sites, where we only need (or can fit) 1 12V battery, but
> still require 48VDC, we do:
>
>
> Meanwell SDR-240-48
>
> Traco TSP-BCMU (good for ~220W, can output either 24VDC or 48VDC with a
> single 12VDC battery.. we usually put a single 18-33ah battery on these)
>
>
>
> Voltage drop obviously depends on length of the run, but you should be
> able to easily calculate that.  We usually adjust our PSU's (at the bottom)
> to ~54VDC and we typically see ~49-51VDC at the top.  Yes, you can tweak
> the output of both the Meanwell and the Traco to compensate for voltage
> drop if needed.
>
>
>
> We use a Shireen hybrid fiber cable which has a 12AWG pair for DC.  We use
> these up to 200ft or so.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:47 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> So what’s the Traco parts list for that?
>
>
>
> I don’t do this stuff normally, so excited to get started and try it out.
>
>
>
> If I’m pushing 48v up top to a roof, what’s the voltage drop?
>
>
>
> I assume these DC units can somehow be tweaked so that output can
> accommodate for voltage drop.
>
>
>
> What size wire is everyone using typically for this, usually 30-100 ft max
> length?
>
>
>
> I’m assuming it’s something like 10 AWG? At 48v and 5A and 50’ is maybe
> 47.5v at the end?
>
> So I would push 49 or 50v just to be safe?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> FWIW - we have lots of EdgePoint S16's that are powered by Traco BCM/TSP
> combos @ ~54V with no issues.
>
>
>
> I agree with others - your battery plant should be 48VDC.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 10:15 AM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I’ll probably just use 48v battery array in series and float higher.
>
>
>
> That particular device can do 48v, it just may shut down POE if it gets
> lower than 48v.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:11 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> Why not run your system at 54 volts?  If the radio freaks out above 54,
> just set it at 54 and you should be fine.  Battery strings don’t exceed the
> float voltage of the rectifier.  If you are worried about it float at 53.75
> volts.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:19 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like
> this.
>
>
>
> Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have
> assumed they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I
> would assume it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like
> 60-70v for a short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
>
> On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.
> Meanwell has a good selection.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
>
> Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe
> even just 50v?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google,
> it's like 50% less
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable
> via the battery chemistry
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, cool.
>
>
>
> So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?
>
>
>
> There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18,

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question

embedding in local politics sometimes has less than positive effects.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 2:58 PM  wrote:

> Better dead than red?
>
> *From:* Ben Royer
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Marketing Question
>
> Alright, looking for wording ideas on an ad I’m doing!!!  I’m redoing a
> billboard right by an intersection in a small town that is getting a stop
> light.  I’m thinking of spinning the cities disdain for this light into an
> ad.  Something like, ‘No red lights from us, unlimited high speed, no data
> caps.’  Etc.   any catchy ideas from ya’ll?
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Awesome info, thanks!!

Where are you getting the Shireen hybrid fiber cable and what is the part 
number for that?

Definitely need that.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Our typical setup medium sized sites is:

Traco TSP-360-148 (360W @ 48V)
Traco TSP-BCM48A (we usually put a string of 4 12-33ah 12V batteries on these)

For very small sites, where we only need (or can fit) 1 12V battery, but still 
require 48VDC, we do:

Meanwell SDR-240-48
Traco TSP-BCMU (good for ~220W, can output either 24VDC or 48VDC with a single 
12VDC battery.. we usually put a single 18-33ah battery on these)

Voltage drop obviously depends on length of the run, but you should be able to 
easily calculate that.  We usually adjust our PSU's (at the bottom) to ~54VDC 
and we typically see ~49-51VDC at the top.  Yes, you can tweak the output of 
both the Meanwell and the Traco to compensate for voltage drop if needed.

We use a Shireen hybrid fiber cable which has a 12AWG pair for DC.  We use 
these up to 200ft or so.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:47 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
So what’s the Traco parts list for that?

I don’t do this stuff normally, so excited to get started and try it out.

If I’m pushing 48v up top to a roof, what’s the voltage drop?

I assume these DC units can somehow be tweaked so that output can accommodate 
for voltage drop.

What size wire is everyone using typically for this, usually 30-100 ft max 
length?

I’m assuming it’s something like 10 AWG? At 48v and 5A and 50’ is maybe 47.5v 
at the end?
So I would push 49 or 50v just to be safe?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

FWIW - we have lots of EdgePoint S16's that are powered by Traco BCM/TSP combos 
@ ~54V with no issues.

I agree with others - your battery plant should be 48VDC.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 10:15 AM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Yeah, I’ll probably just use 48v battery array in series and float higher.

That particular device can do 48v, it just may shut down POE if it gets lower 
than 48v.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Why not run your system at 54 volts?  If the radio freaks out above 54, just 
set it at 54 and you should be fine.  Battery strings don’t exceed the float 
voltage of the rectifier.  If you are worried about it float at 53.75 volts.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like this.

Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.  Meanwell 
has a good selection.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe even 
just 50v?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, it's 
like 50% less

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable via 
the battery chemistry

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Ok, cool.

So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?

There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries

Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

2019-06-20 Thread Josh Baird

Our typical setup medium sized sites is:

Traco TSP-360-148 (360W @ 48V)
Traco TSP-BCM48A (we usually put a string of 4 12-33ah 12V batteries on
these)

For very small sites, where we only need (or can fit) 1 12V battery, but
still require 48VDC, we do:

Meanwell SDR-240-48
Traco TSP-BCMU (good for ~220W, can output either 24VDC or 48VDC with a
single 12VDC battery.. we usually put a single 18-33ah battery on these)

Voltage drop obviously depends on length of the run, but you should be able
to easily calculate that.  We usually adjust our PSU's (at the bottom) to
~54VDC and we typically see ~49-51VDC at the top.  Yes, you can tweak the
output of both the Meanwell and the Traco to compensate for voltage drop if
needed.

We use a Shireen hybrid fiber cable which has a 12AWG pair for DC.  We use
these up to 200ft or so.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:47 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> So what’s the Traco parts list for that?
>
>
>
> I don’t do this stuff normally, so excited to get started and try it out.
>
>
>
> If I’m pushing 48v up top to a roof, what’s the voltage drop?
>
>
>
> I assume these DC units can somehow be tweaked so that output can
> accommodate for voltage drop.
>
>
>
> What size wire is everyone using typically for this, usually 30-100 ft max
> length?
>
>
>
> I’m assuming it’s something like 10 AWG? At 48v and 5A and 50’ is maybe
> 47.5v at the end?
>
> So I would push 49 or 50v just to be safe?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> FWIW - we have lots of EdgePoint S16's that are powered by Traco BCM/TSP
> combos @ ~54V with no issues.
>
>
>
> I agree with others - your battery plant should be 48VDC.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 10:15 AM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I’ll probably just use 48v battery array in series and float higher.
>
>
>
> That particular device can do 48v, it just may shut down POE if it gets
> lower than 48v.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:11 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> Why not run your system at 54 volts?  If the radio freaks out above 54,
> just set it at 54 and you should be fine.  Battery strings don’t exceed the
> float voltage of the rectifier.  If you are worried about it float at 53.75
> volts.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:19 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like
> this.
>
>
>
> Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have
> assumed they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I
> would assume it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like
> 60-70v for a short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
>
> On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.
> Meanwell has a good selection.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
>
> Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe
> even just 50v?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google,
> it's like 50% less
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable
> via the battery chemistry
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Ok, cool.
>
>
>
> So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?
>
>
>
> There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion
>
>
>
> 12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries
> for a 48v string
>
> ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
> ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
> ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
> SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring
>
> Or
>
> Alternativly;
>
> 48v din mount PSU
> 48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
> OR
> 48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5
> cheaper options available)
>
>
>
> On

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question

2019-06-20 Thread chuck

Better dead than red?

From: Ben Royer 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Marketing Question

Alright, looking for wording ideas on an ad I’m doing!!!  I’m redoing a 
billboard right by an intersection in a small town that is getting a stop 
light.  I’m thinking of spinning the cities disdain for this light into an ad.  
Something like, ‘No red lights from us, unlimited high speed, no data caps.’  
Etc.   any catchy ideas from ya’ll?

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

2019-06-20 Thread chuck

All depends on the current.

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

So what’s the Traco parts list for that?

I don’t do this stuff normally, so excited to get started and try it out.

If I’m pushing 48v up top to a roof, what’s the voltage drop?

I assume these DC units can somehow be tweaked so that output can accommodate 
for voltage drop.

What size wire is everyone using typically for this, usually 30-100 ft max 
length?

I’m assuming it’s something like 10 AWG? At 48v and 5A and 50’ is maybe 47.5v 
at the end?

So I would push 49 or 50v just to be safe?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

FWIW - we have lots of EdgePoint S16's that are powered by Traco BCM/TSP combos 
@ ~54V with no issues.

I agree with others - your battery plant should be 48VDC.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 10:15 AM Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

  Yeah, I’ll probably just use 48v battery array in series and float higher.

  That particular device can do 48v, it just may shut down POE if it gets lower 
than 48v.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:11 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

  Why not run your system at 54 volts?  If the radio freaks out above 54, just 
set it at 54 and you should be fine.  Battery strings don’t exceed the float 
voltage of the rectifier.  If you are worried about it float at 53.75 volts.  

  From: Sterling Jacobson 

  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:19 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

  Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like this.

  Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

  That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.

  On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.  
Meanwell has a good selection.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:

  Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.

  Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe 
even just 50v?

  From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

  contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, 
it's like 50% less

  On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also 
adjustable via the battery chemistry 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:

  Ok, cool.

  So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 
48v?

  There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?

  From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

  12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah 
batteries for a 48v string

  ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
  ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
  ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
  SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring

  Or

  Alternativly;

  48v din mount PSU
  48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
  OR
  48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 
48-5 cheaper options available)

  On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:

I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites 
and need help with the DIN stuff and UPS.

Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?

I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.

And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A 
up the side of the house.

I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use 
DIN, but would be

[AFMUG] Marketing Question

2019-06-20 Thread Ben Royer

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billboard right by an intersection in a small town that is getting a stop 
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Something like, ‘No red lights from us, unlimited high speed, no data caps.’  
Etc.   any catchy ideas from ya’ll?

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Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

So what’s the Traco parts list for that?

I don’t do this stuff normally, so excited to get started and try it out.

If I’m pushing 48v up top to a roof, what’s the voltage drop?

I assume these DC units can somehow be tweaked so that output can accommodate 
for voltage drop.

What size wire is everyone using typically for this, usually 30-100 ft max 
length?

I’m assuming it’s something like 10 AWG? At 48v and 5A and 50’ is maybe 47.5v 
at the end?
So I would push 49 or 50v just to be safe?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:19 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

FWIW - we have lots of EdgePoint S16's that are powered by Traco BCM/TSP combos 
@ ~54V with no issues.

I agree with others - your battery plant should be 48VDC.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 10:15 AM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Yeah, I’ll probably just use 48v battery array in series and float higher.

That particular device can do 48v, it just may shut down POE if it gets lower 
than 48v.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Why not run your system at 54 volts?  If the radio freaks out above 54, just 
set it at 54 and you should be fine.  Battery strings don’t exceed the float 
voltage of the rectifier.  If you are worried about it float at 53.75 volts.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

Having a hard time figuring out the exact part/price for something like this.

Which Meanwell part would take 48v and make it 50v or 54v 5A?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 10:21 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

That's weird to me.  Any telecom equipment made for 48v I would have assumed 
they intended it to be used with a rectifier, and consequently I would assume 
it'd be ok up to at least 56v continuous; and maybe more like 60-70v for a 
short duration.  But yeah, DC-DC converter is the fix.
On 6/18/2019 11:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
You need to use a DC-DC converter for sensitive equipment like that.  Meanwell 
has a good selection.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:12 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Apparently the UBNT EP-S16 freaks out if it goes above 54v.
Is there any way to assure it doesn’t float/charge above 54v, or maybe even 
just 50v?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

contact talley or tessco for a price, don't trust what you see on google, it's 
like 50% less

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:25 PM TJ Trout 
mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
all 48v systems for battery power will float at 54v, it's also adjustable via 
the battery chemistry

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 3:33 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Ok, cool.

So can the 7bc2 be adjusted slightly to output 50v instead of just 48v?

There will be some loss going 100’  or so, right?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS and DC to DC conversion

12-54v is inefficient, if you want 200ah of battery use 4x50ah batteries for a 
48v string

ICT24048-7BC2 360W 54v AC-DC + LVD + Charger
ICT-TMP - Temp sensor for charge compensation if batt's outside
ICT-WMB - Wall mount bracket
SITE Monitor - Voltage monitoring

Or

Alternativly;

48v din mount PSU
48v 'dc ups' to charge batt's and provide LVD
OR
48v din 'dc ups' with integrated psu + lvd + charger (i.e. DIN-UPS 48-5 cheaper 
options available)

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:50 PM Sterling Jacobson 
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I’m trying to put a “box” system together for our house POP sites and need help 
with the DIN stuff and UPS.

Can you guys give me an idea or example of the following?

I want to take standard AC 15A in from a breaker outside the box.
And using maybe one or two 12v 105AH AGM batteries, supply 50v 6A up the side 
of the house.

I have never ordered DIN parts like this, guess I don’t have to use DIN, but 
would be nice.

Having a problem finding a DC to DC converter that takes 12v and upconverts to 
50v 5-6A.

Is this the cost effective method? Something like this:

Monitoring Sitemonitor Base Unit II SMON Base II
 1.00$100.00$100.00
UPS Monitor  Sitemonitor Int MorningStar MeterBus  SMON MorningStar 
1.00

Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

2019-06-20 Thread Trey Scarborough

If its on a fiber Ethernet system I would buy some older accedian 
metronids and put on either end. You can easily find them on ebay for 
~$100 you can set up oam reporting on them. It will give you much more 
detail than a ping as you can set it up to set so many packets every x 
ms and it will track it and in what direction the error was. They are 
also great for running RFC2544 throughput tests.


other than that I would recommend vaping its a alternative to smokeping 
https://github.com/20c/vaping



Trey


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I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  
Lately they have been having big problems on their fiber system.
What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping 
something and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold 
but it had a freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I 
know they are going to want some money.
I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure 
someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like 
Google DNS every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it 
comes back record the time.



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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

2019-06-20 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF

Uptime robot, it costs but not much.  Pretty interface and looks super nice.  
Will give you a dashboard via web just like https://status.linktechs.net ..  I 
think we pay less than 10 bucks a month or something like that.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

PRTG is free for 100 sensors.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:43 AM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  Lately 
they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something and 
make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a freaking 
huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going to want some 
money.

I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure someone 
has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS every 30 
seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back record the time.
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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

2019-06-20 Thread Ryan Ray

PRTG is free for 100 sensors.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 9:43 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.
> Lately they have been having big problems on their fiber system.
>
> What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping
> something and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but
> it had a freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they
> are going to want some money.
>
> I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure
> someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS
> every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back
> record the time.
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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

2019-06-20 Thread Sam Lambie

Smokeping?

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 10:43 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.
> Lately they have been having big problems on their fiber system.
>
> What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping
> something and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but
> it had a freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they
> are going to want some money.
>
> I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure
> someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS
> every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back
> record the time.
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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

2019-06-20 Thread Chris Fabien

Ping Plotter

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 12:43 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.
> Lately they have been having big problems on their fiber system.
>
> What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping
> something and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but
> it had a freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they
> are going to want some money.
>
> I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure
> someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS
> every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back
> record the time.
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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

2019-06-20 Thread Robert Andrews

Linux  smokeping...

On 06/20/2019 09:46 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

Pingplotter

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: 6/20/2019 11:42:42 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites. 
Lately they have been having big problems on their fiber system.
What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping 
something and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold 
but it had a freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I 
know they are going to want some money.
I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure 
someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like 
Google DNS every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it 
comes back record the time. 

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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

2019-06-20 Thread chuck

I used to use it all the time for SNMP stuff.  Didn’t think about using it for 
simple ICMP.

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:01 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

PRTG free version lets you monitor up to 100 sensors.  Needs Windows though.

https://www.paessler.com/howto-free-network-monitoring

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  Lately 
they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something and 
make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a freaking 
huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going to want some 
money.  

I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure someone 
has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS every 30 
seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back record the time.  

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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

PRTG free version lets you monitor up to 100 sensors.  Needs Windows though.

https://www.paessler.com/howto-free-network-monitoring

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

 

I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  Lately
they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

 

What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something
and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a
freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going
to want some money.  

 

I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure
someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS
every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back
record the time.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

Oh, that's very different.  Never mind.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

https://www.mccowntech.com/product/rack-mount-poe-injector-gas-discharge-tube-surge-protector-copy/

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:02 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

I take it there's no need for a GDT-only version of the GIGE-APC-POE?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

I believe it is a ground noise situation.  Forrest may have further insight.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:55 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

Depending on the tower, between 100 and 328 feet, a bunch of them are at or 
near the 328 ft limit.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

> Strange, I have both 450i and 450m running gigabit with no errors.
> Using “Cambium sync” though.
>

How long are your cat-5 runs?

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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

Is there a windows version?

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

SmokePing is free. 

  On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Still $39...  There has to be a freebie somewhere.  

  From: Simon Westlake
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:46 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

  Pingplotter

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: 6/20/2019 11:42:42 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  Lately 
they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something 
and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a 
freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going to 
want some money. 

I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure 
someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS 
every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back record 
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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

I remember that name.  Thanks.

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

SmokePing is free. 

  On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Still $39...  There has to be a freebie somewhere.  

  From: Simon Westlake
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:46 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

  Pingplotter

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: 6/20/2019 11:42:42 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  Lately 
they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something 
and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a 
freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going to 
want some money. 

I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure 
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every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back record 
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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

2019-06-20 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

SmokePing is free. 



> On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Still $39...  There has to be a freebie somewhere.  
>  
> From: Simon Westlake <>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:46 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring
>  
> Pingplotter
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" >
> To: af@af.afmug.com <>
> Sent: 6/20/2019 11:42:42 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring
>  
>> I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  Lately 
>> they have been having big problems on their fiber system.
>>  
>> What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something 
>> and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a 
>> freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going 
>> to want some money. 
>>  
>> I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure 
>> someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS 
>> every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back 
>> record the time. 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

2019-06-20 Thread Carl Peterson

does ping plotter still exist?

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 11:43 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.
> Lately they have been having big problems on their fiber system.
>
> What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping
> something and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but
> it had a freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they
> are going to want some money.
>
> I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure
> someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS
> every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back
> record the time.
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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

Still $39...  There has to be a freebie somewhere.  

From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

Pingplotter

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From: "Chuck McCown" 
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Sent: 6/20/2019 11:42:42 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

  I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  Lately 
they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

  What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something 
and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a 
freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going to 
want some money.  

  I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure someone 
has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS every 30 
seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes back record the time.  

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Re: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

2019-06-20 Thread Simon Westlake

Pingplotter

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: 6/20/2019 11:42:42 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] uptime monitoring

I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  
Lately they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping 
something and make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold 
but it had a freaking huge SQL install that came along with it and I 
know they are going to want some money.

I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure 
someone has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google 
DNS every 30 seconds.  If it is down, record the time.  When it comes 
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[AFMUG] uptime monitoring

I am at the mercy of another service provider at a couple of sites.  Lately 
they have been having big problems on their fiber system.

What is the best cheap and dirty program to just continually ping something and 
make a graph?  I attempted to do a trial of whatsup gold but it had a freaking 
huge SQL install that came along with it and I know they are going to want some 
money.  

I could write something simple to log up and down times but I am sure someone 
has already done it.  Really simple, ping something like Google DNS every 30 
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild


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-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:02 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

I take it there's no need for a GDT-only version of the GIGE-APC-POE?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

I believe it is a ground noise situation.  Forrest may have further insight.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:55 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

Depending on the tower, between 100 and 328 feet, a bunch of them are at or 
near the 328 ft limit.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild


Strange, I have both 450i and 450m running gigabit with no errors.
Using “Cambium sync” though.



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Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

I take it there's no need for a GDT-only version of the GIGE-APC-POE?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

I believe it is a ground noise situation.  Forrest may have further insight.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:55 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

Depending on the tower, between 100 and 328 feet, a bunch of them are at or 
near the 328 ft limit.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

> Strange, I have both 450i and 450m running gigabit with no errors.  
> Using “Cambium sync” though.
>

How long are your cat-5 runs?

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

I believe it is a ground noise situation.  Forrest may have further insight.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:55 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

Depending on the tower, between 100 and 328 feet, a bunch of them are at or 
near the 328 ft limit.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

Strange, I have both 450i and 450m running gigabit with no errors.  Using 
“Cambium sync” though.

How long are your cat-5 runs?

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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

Seems to be a secret at Cambium.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

Conn. 450b is coming so you can add a 2ft dish too 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 11:12 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

450b SMs will also help uplink due to their higher xmt power.  At the expense 
of 1-2 dB of antenna gain compared to a reflector dish, which could hurt 
downlink.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

Yes, uplink mumimo FTW!  We see 4-8 db increase in rssi 

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ï»¿On 6/20/19, 9:35 AM, "AF on behalf of Matt" mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%20on%20behalf%20of%20matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
 > wrote:

> The biggest win in the 450M department is the vast improvement in the SNR 
incoming to the AP.

We are looking at updating a 5ghz PMP450i 90 degree AP with a 450m
based not so much on customer count but rather rereg count and noise.
I assume the 450m will help in that department as well?

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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

2019-06-20 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Conn. 450b is coming so you can add a 2ft dish too

From: AF  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 11:12 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

450b SMs will also help uplink due to their higher xmt power.  At the expense 
of 1-2 dB of antenna gain compared to a reflector dish, which could hurt 
downlink.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

Yes, uplink mumimo FTW!  We see 4-8 db increase in rssi

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> The biggest win in the 450M department is the vast improvement in the SNR 
incoming to the AP.

We are looking at updating a 5ghz PMP450i 90 degree AP with a 450m
based not so much on customer count but rather rereg count and noise.
I assume the 450m will help in that department as well?

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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

450b SMs will also help uplink due to their higher xmt power.  At the
expense of 1-2 dB of antenna gain compared to a reflector dish, which could
hurt downlink.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

Yes, uplink mumimo FTW!  We see 4-8 db increase in rssi 

Gino Villarini 
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> The biggest win in the 450M department is the vast improvement in the
SNR incoming to the AP.

We are looking at updating a 5ghz PMP450i 90 degree AP with a 450m
based not so much on customer count but rather rereg count and noise.
I assume the 450m will help in that department as well?

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Re: [AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict

2019-06-20 Thread Lewis Bergman

+1. We used them when we had almost a hundred links. I think it only cost
about $1000 a year for them to monitor all of them. I used to spend hours
every week combing through all the Verizon, Sprint, AT and everyone elses
filings. After that I never had to look at it again. On one occasion I
remember, Commsearch contacted me with details about an applicaiton that
had been filed along our path that would likely cause interference. I asked
them to fight that and the application was modified to eliminate the
chance. Well worth the money.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 8:33 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> commsearch protection service is relatively inexpensive. We got with them
> because they happened to reach out to us on one that we would not have been
> aware of. Worth the nominal fee. Then things like this arent a question for
> you to think about
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 10:22 PM  wrote:
>
>>   Thank you Tim, I'll send it over to you. They are adjacent channels, I
>> think maybe Micronet meant that because there was at least 2.8 MHz
>> between the two that it should be OK. The emission designator 74M4D7D
>> implies the AF-11FX actually occupies 74.4 MHz. I just get nervous
>> sometimes about adjacent channels.
>>   I use Comsearch for our coordinations, hopefully it was a good 40 years
>> for you.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 2:04 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>> Matt,
>>
>> Send me the PCN and I'll take a look at it and let you know.  2.8 MHz
>> separation doesn't sound right at 11 GHz since there is no frequency plans
>> that would give you that kind of separation.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim Hardy
>>
>> FYI, I was one of the three founders of Comsearch back in 1977 and retired
>> in 2017 after 40 years - enjoying life at the beach, so you can see, I
>> have
>> no dog in this fight.
>>
>> > On Jun 19, 2019, at 4:43 PM, mhopk...@onlinenw.com wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >We have a SAF 80MHz 11GHz link between a couple of towers. There is a
>> > new PCN for a new 80MHz UBNT AF-11FX link that is at the same tower site
>> as one of our ends. Their path would shoot past our tower at that site.
>> There is 2.8MHz of separation between our channels and the polarity is
>> the same (H). We have many licensed links but we are pretty rural and
>> have not had any other PCNs this close to our
>> > channels. Would you be comfortable with allowing this link? We reached
>> out to the coordinator for the new link and they said it is within the
>> acceptable range. Thank you in advance for any insight you can
>> > provide.
>> > Matt Hopkins
>> > Network Administrator
>> > 503.687.1030
>> > mhopk...@onlinenw.net
>> > onlinenw.com
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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

2019-06-20 Thread Gino A. Villarini



Yes, uplink mumimo FTW!  We see 4-8 db increase in rssi 


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On 6/20/19, 9:35 AM, "AF on behalf of Matt"  wrote:

    > The biggest win in the 450M department is the vast improvement in the SNR incoming to the AP.
    
    We are looking at updating a 5ghz PMP450i 90 degree AP with a 450m
    based not so much on customer count but rather rereg count and noise.
    I assume the 450m will help in that department as well?
    
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

Depending on the tower, between 100 and 328 feet, a bunch of them are at or 
near the 328 ft limit.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

> Strange, I have both 450i and 450m running gigabit with no errors.  Using 
> “Cambium sync” though.
>

How long are your cat-5 runs?

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower rebuild

2019-06-20 Thread Matt

> Strange, I have both 450i and 450m running gigabit with no errors.  Using 
> “Cambium sync” though.
>

How long are your cat-5 runs?

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Re: [AFMUG] When to consider 450M?

2019-06-20 Thread Matt

> The biggest win in the 450M department is the vast improvement in the SNR 
> incoming to the AP.

We are looking at updating a 5ghz PMP450i 90 degree AP with a 450m
based not so much on customer count but rather rereg count and noise.
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Re: [AFMUG] Proposed Licensed Link Potential Conflict