Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[chuck]

Just forwarded this to my wife...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 5:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

Yes, Chile relleno...long green Chile, white cheese and separate white and yolk 
of eggs...beat whites until firm, add yolk and mix, add flour...make into a 
batter...pick good Chile from NM, preferably...wash and cut long wise...hot, 
leave alone.  Mild, remove seeds... 
Place white cheese pieces inside..roll into batter and drop into hot oil...turn 
once when brownthey go well with Carta Blanca beer... enjoy...

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 6:16 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

  Is that a relleno and an enchilada?  

  I like good rellenos, but I'm finding that they're oddly inconsistent in 
quality from place to place.  

  On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 12:45 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Enjoy
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Re: [AFMUG] This is what I had for lunch and you didn't

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes, Chile relleno...long green Chile, white cheese and separate white and
yolk of eggs...beat whites until firm, add yolk and mix, add flour...make
into a batter...pick good Chile from NM, preferably...wash and cut long
wise...hot, leave alone.  Mild, remove seeds...
Place white cheese pieces inside..roll into batter and drop into hot
oil...turn once when brownthey go well with Carta Blanca beer...
enjoy...

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 6:16 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Is that a relleno and an enchilada?
>
> I like good rellenos, but I'm finding that they're oddly inconsistent in
> quality from place to place.
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 12:45 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Enjoy
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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Robert Andrews]

Zut Alors totally forgot about that...

On 08/07/2019 02:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Good luck with that.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-zayo-group-hldgs-m-a-digitalcolony/digital-colony-eqt-to-take-zayo-private-for-8-2-billion-in-cash-idUSKCN1SE1HH

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 7, 2019 2:56 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

I would love to put together a list of these stories and share it with 
their stockholders...


On 8/7/19 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Thankfully we don't have Zayo for any fiber but we had colo space in
a datacenter they bought and boy has the experience changed. We were
paying fair rates for colo and cross connects with the old company
and now Zayo is jacking up our price 30% overnight to "Market Rates".

We asked them to work with us and they refused so we threatened to
cancel and they said go for it. So we submitted our cancellation
request last month and we're ending our relationship with them due
to their bullying behavior.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:51 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Except now it's not Centurylink. I don't know of many other
providers out there.



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*From: *"Sean Heskett" mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 7, 2019 12:47:07 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

That follows the exact same route (along I-70/US6) as everything
else

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:03 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/


It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC.

I know several of you have limited transport options, so
hopefully this helps.



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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Ken Hohhof]

Good luck with that.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-zayo-group-hldgs-m-a-digitalcolony/digital-colony-eqt-to-take-zayo-private-for-8-2-billion-in-cash-idUSKCN1SE1HH

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 2:56 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

 

I would love to put together a list of these stories and share it with their 
stockholders...

On 8/7/19 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Thankfully we don't have Zayo for any fiber but we had colo space in a 
datacenter they bought and boy has the experience changed. We were paying fair 
rates for colo and cross connects with the old company and now Zayo is jacking 
up our price 30% overnight to "Market Rates". 

 

We asked them to work with us and they refused so we threatened to cancel and 
they said go for it. So we submitted our cancellation request last month and 
we're ending our relationship with them due to their bullying behavior.

 

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:51 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Except now it's not Centurylink. I don't know of many other providers out there.



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From: "Sean Heskett" mailto:af...@zirkel.us> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 12:47:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

That follows the exact same route (along I-70/US6) as everything else 

 

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:03 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/ 

 

 

It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC.

 

I know several of you have limited transport options, so hopefully this helps.

 



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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Robert]

I would love to put together a list of these stories and share it with 
their stockholders...


On 8/7/19 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Thankfully we don't have Zayo for any fiber but we had colo space in a 
datacenter they bought and boy has the experience changed. We were 
paying fair rates for colo and cross connects with the old company and 
now Zayo is jacking up our price 30% overnight to "Market Rates".


We asked them to work with us and they refused so we threatened to 
cancel and they said go for it. So we submitted our cancellation 
request last month and we're ending our relationship with them due to 
their bullying behavior.


On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:51 PM Mike Hammett > wrote:


Except now it's not Centurylink. I don't know of many other
providers out there.



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*From: *"Sean Heskett" mailto:af...@zirkel.us>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 7, 2019 12:47:07 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

That follows the exact same route (along I-70/US6) as everything else

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:03 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/



It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC.

I know several of you have limited transport options, so
hopefully this helps.




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Re: [AFMUG] Pounce on Zayo...

[Robert]

The 24+ hour one, a piece of legacy equipment went bad.   Just died of 
old age.   They were saying it would take 4 days to replace ( all 
equipment related upstream too ) then they finally got a hold of one of 
the guys from the company that they bought out and he said there was a 
pile ( literally a pile ) of them in the field office and dug through 
them to replace it.  Once they got him involved it was 2 hours to get it 
up.  Yes over 22 hours to call in the guy who knew.. Nobody else had 
bothered  to learn anything from him in over 4 years since they bought 
out the prior...


On 8/7/19 10:26 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

What kind of outage?



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*From: *"Robert Andrews" 
*To: *af@af.afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 7, 2019 12:13:06 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pounce on Zayo...

Just consider the attitude of a provider that will basically trash a 10
year ( always paid a month in advance ) customer ( outlay over 10 years,
360K! ) for now and forever and in any future relationships, and who
knows how many other angles, for $26k.    You really want to ask
yourself who you are getting in a dependency relationship with.  Not to
mention that they were the least reliable fiber provider we ever worked
with with outages lasting up to 5 to 6 hours 4-5 times a year and then
the 24 hour+ outage when they said go away.    Whew it's good to get
that off my chest.   I sure hope someone from Zayo gets to read this!

On 08/07/2019 10:04 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> We had a huge fight with Zayo as well. Avoid them at all costs.
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:57 PM Robert Andrews  > wrote:
>
>     I also had the wonderful experience of having an engineering 
person and

>     a _sales person_ tell me that they really don't care about $3k/month
>     customers and that we can go away...  And then found out about 
the $26K

>     it was going to cost to cancel...   Really you don't want to get
>     involved with them..   And if you have to, have your butt covered 6
>     ways
>     from Sunday...  I cannot believe they are still in business.
>
>     On 08/07/2019 09:36 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>      > On 8/7/19 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>      >> and?
>      >>
>      >>
>      >
>      > Zayo is shit. They'll tell you they can deliver a service 
when they
>      > never actually intended to. Zayo will make up excuses for 
literally
>      > years, set "firm" dates that move every month, and say 
anything and

>      > blame anyone else except admitting they can't do the job.
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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor/Outdoor Fiber Patch

[Carl Peterson]

Chris, we need them in SCA-SCU.  Our plant is almost always SCA, but for
rooftops we need to do SCA-SCU to go to a BiDi SFP in a radio.
Craig, those look pretty solid.  Not sure why you would pay the tariff,
china pays that... (too soon to break lent?).  I'll order a batch and check
them out.  Price seems great.

Speaking of FS, do other people get a discount off their list?  We have for
a long time but it isn't much.  Thinking about trying to get a bigger
discount since we order so much from them.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 1:39 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Do you have any part numbers?
>
> On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
>> Corning makes a "rugged drop" assembly Graybar has them in stock in
>> several sizes. Not armored but very sturdy jacket, I think they only come
>> in SC/APC ends. We use for run from NID to a baseboard jack.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:22 AM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I need an outdoor, possibly armored fiber patch cable to run from my
>>> splice point on the outside of the customer's house to a NID located
>>> indoors. Does anyone have a good source for these? I don't need them to be
>>> too long, since I can likely mount just inside of the house.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Blast from the past - cleaning out my desk

[David Coudron]

We would be very interested in one on fiber construction.We even be willing 
to help organize to try and get it rolling.

Regards, 

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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 2:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blast from the past - cleaning out my desk

Might could still do one with a focus on fiber construction.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
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> Scrolling through this just makes me think about all the fun times back then 
> :)
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> <2019-08-07 14.46.33.jpg>
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Re: [AFMUG] Blast from the past - cleaning out my desk

[Chuck McCown]

Might could still do one with a focus on fiber construction.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
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> Scrolling through this just makes me think about all the fun times back then 
> :)
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> <2019-08-07 14.46.33.jpg>
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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor/Outdoor Fiber Patch

[Jason McKemie]

Do you have any part numbers?

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> Corning makes a "rugged drop" assembly Graybar has them in stock in
> several sizes. Not armored but very sturdy jacket, I think they only come
> in SC/APC ends. We use for run from NID to a baseboard jack.
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:22 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I need an outdoor, possibly armored fiber patch cable to run from my
>> splice point on the outside of the customer's house to a NID located
>> indoors. Does anyone have a good source for these? I don't need them to be
>> too long, since I can likely mount just inside of the house.
>>
>> Thanks.
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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/7/19 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Thankfully we don't have Zayo for any fiber but we had colo space in a 
datacenter they bought and boy has the experience changed. We were 
paying fair rates for colo and cross connects with the old company and 
now Zayo is jacking up our price 30% overnight to "Market Rates".


We asked them to work with us and they refused so we threatened to 
cancel and they said go for it. So we submitted our cancellation request 
last month and we're ending our relationship with them due to their 
bullying behavior.



I feel like I could make more money by being an asshole, but I can't 
really bring myself to do it. I've never raised prices on my colo 
customers outside of someone asking for upgrades, cared about whatever 
"market rate" is, and I haven't used annual escalators in contracts. I'm 
only now experimenting with escalators on short term agreements.


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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Darin Steffl]

Thankfully we don't have Zayo for any fiber but we had colo space in a
datacenter they bought and boy has the experience changed. We were paying
fair rates for colo and cross connects with the old company and now Zayo is
jacking up our price 30% overnight to "Market Rates".

We asked them to work with us and they refused so we threatened to cancel
and they said go for it. So we submitted our cancellation request last
month and we're ending our relationship with them due to their bullying
behavior.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:51 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Except now it's not Centurylink. I don't know of many other providers out
> there.
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 7, 2019 12:47:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT
>
> That follows the exact same route (along I-70/US6) as everything else
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:03 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/
>>
>>
>> It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC.
>>
>> I know several of you have limited transport options, so hopefully this
>> helps.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Mike Hammett]

Except now it's not Centurylink. I don't know of many other providers out 
there. 




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Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 12:47:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT 



That follows the exact same route (along I-70/US6) as everything else 



On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:03 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/ 




It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC. 


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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

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That follows the exact same route (along I-70/US6) as everything else

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:03 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/
>
>
> It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC.
>
> I know several of you have limited transport options, so hopefully this
> helps.
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Re: [AFMUG] Pounce on Zayo...

[Mike Hammett]

What kind of outage? 




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From: "Robert Andrews"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 12:13:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pounce on Zayo... 

Just consider the attitude of a provider that will basically trash a 10 
year ( always paid a month in advance ) customer ( outlay over 10 years, 
360K! ) for now and forever and in any future relationships, and who 
knows how many other angles, for $26k. You really want to ask 
yourself who you are getting in a dependency relationship with. Not to 
mention that they were the least reliable fiber provider we ever worked 
with with outages lasting up to 5 to 6 hours 4-5 times a year and then 
the 24 hour+ outage when they said go away. Whew it's good to get 
that off my chest. I sure hope someone from Zayo gets to read this! 

On 08/07/2019 10:04 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: 
> We had a huge fight with Zayo as well. Avoid them at all costs. 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:57 PM Robert Andrews  > wrote: 
> 
> I also had the wonderful experience of having an engineering person and 
> a _sales person_ tell me that they really don't care about $3k/month 
> customers and that we can go away... And then found out about the $26K 
> it was going to cost to cancel... Really you don't want to get 
> involved with them.. And if you have to, have your butt covered 6 
> ways 
> from Sunday... I cannot believe they are still in business. 
> 
> On 08/07/2019 09:36 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: 
> > On 8/7/19 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> >> and? 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > Zayo is shit. They'll tell you they can deliver a service when they 
> > never actually intended to. Zayo will make up excuses for literally 
> > years, set "firm" dates that move every month, and say anything and 
> > blame anyone else except admitting they can't do the job. 
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Re: [AFMUG] Pounce on Zayo...

[Robert Andrews]

From my knowledge of the founders, it's closer to the truth than you 
would like to know...


On 08/07/2019 10:07 AM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

We’ve also had nothing but problems with Zayo.. and their “Tranzact” team.

Looking to move away as soon as possible.  It’s like dealing with the mob.


On Aug 7, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Robert Andrews > wrote:


I also had the wonderful experience of having an engineering person 
and a _sales person_ tell me that they really don't care about 
$3k/month customers and that we can go away...  And then found out 
about the $26K it was going to cost to cancel...   Really you don't 
want to get involved with them..   And if you have to, have your butt 
covered 6 ways from Sunday...  I cannot believe they are still in 
business.


On 08/07/2019 09:36 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 8/7/19 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

and?


Zayo is shit. They'll tell you they can deliver a service when they 
never actually intended to. Zayo will make up excuses for literally 
years, set "firm" dates that move every month, and say anything and 
blame anyone else except admitting they can't do the job.


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Re: [AFMUG] Pounce on Zayo...

[Robert Andrews]

Just consider the attitude of a provider that will basically trash a 10 
year ( always paid a month in advance ) customer ( outlay over 10 years, 
360K! ) for now and forever and in any future relationships, and who 
knows how many other angles, for $26k.You really want to ask 
yourself who you are getting in a dependency relationship with.  Not to 
mention that they were the least reliable fiber provider we ever worked 
with with outages lasting up to 5 to 6 hours 4-5 times a year and then 
the 24 hour+ outage when they said go away.Whew it's good to get 
that off my chest.   I sure hope someone from Zayo gets to read this!


On 08/07/2019 10:04 AM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

We had a huge fight with Zayo as well. Avoid them at all costs.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:57 PM Robert Andrews > wrote:


I also had the wonderful experience of having an engineering person and
a _sales person_ tell me that they really don't care about $3k/month
customers and that we can go away...  And then found out about the $26K
it was going to cost to cancel...   Really you don't want to get
involved with them..   And if you have to, have your butt covered 6
ways
from Sunday...  I cannot believe they are still in business.

On 08/07/2019 09:36 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
 > On 8/7/19 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 >> and?
 >>
 >>
 >
 > Zayo is shit. They'll tell you they can deliver a service when they
 > never actually intended to. Zayo will make up excuses for literally
 > years, set "firm" dates that move every month, and say anything and
 > blame anyone else except admitting they can't do the job.
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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/7/19 9:43 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:

Yep, my experience with them is shit as well.   They bought out another company 
that I was working a transit deal on, and wanted triple the amount once they 
took ownership.  So I told them to pound sand.


Exact same thing happened to me too with an Electric Lightwave (Integra) 
order placed like maybe 8 months before that buyout. Zayo said they had 
no obligation to honor any ELI/Integra orders and the monthly cost would 
now be double and they acted like they were doing us a favor. The 
generous offer was declined.


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Re: [AFMUG] Pounce on Zayo...

[Cassidy B. Larson]

We’ve also had nothing but problems with Zayo.. and their “Tranzact” team. 

Looking to move away as soon as possible.  It’s like dealing with the mob. 


> On Aug 7, 2019, at 10:56 AM, Robert Andrews  wrote:
> 
> I also had the wonderful experience of having an engineering person and a 
> _sales person_ tell me that they really don't care about $3k/month customers 
> and that we can go away...  And then found out about the $26K it was going to 
> cost to cancel...   Really you don't want to get involved with them..   And 
> if you have to, have your butt covered 6 ways from Sunday...  I cannot 
> believe they are still in business.
> 
> On 08/07/2019 09:36 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> On 8/7/19 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> and?
>>> 
>>> 
>> Zayo is shit. They'll tell you they can deliver a service when they never 
>> actually intended to. Zayo will make up excuses for literally years, set 
>> "firm" dates that move every month, and say anything and blame anyone else 
>> except admitting they can't do the job.
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Re: [AFMUG] Pounce on Zayo...

[can...@believewireless.net]

We had a huge fight with Zayo as well. Avoid them at all costs.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:57 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> I also had the wonderful experience of having an engineering person and
> a _sales person_ tell me that they really don't care about $3k/month
> customers and that we can go away...  And then found out about the $26K
> it was going to cost to cancel...   Really you don't want to get
> involved with them..   And if you have to, have your butt covered 6 ways
> from Sunday...  I cannot believe they are still in business.
>
> On 08/07/2019 09:36 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > On 8/7/19 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> and?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Zayo is shit. They'll tell you they can deliver a service when they
> > never actually intended to. Zayo will make up excuses for literally
> > years, set "firm" dates that move every month, and say anything and
> > blame anyone else except admitting they can't do the job.
> >
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[AFMUG] Pounce on Zayo...

[Robert Andrews]

I also had the wonderful experience of having an engineering person and 
a _sales person_ tell me that they really don't care about $3k/month 
customers and that we can go away...  And then found out about the $26K 
it was going to cost to cancel...   Really you don't want to get 
involved with them..   And if you have to, have your butt covered 6 ways 
from Sunday...  I cannot believe they are still in business.


On 08/07/2019 09:36 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 8/7/19 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

and?




Zayo is shit. They'll tell you they can deliver a service when they 
never actually intended to. Zayo will make up excuses for literally 
years, set "firm" dates that move every month, and say anything and 
blame anyone else except admitting they can't do the job.




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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Robert Andrews]

Also if you look at their contract terms, cancellation policy, and sign 
said doc without modification you should have your head examined.  I 
sure that way about myself when I went to get out of their contract 
after 10 years.   And supposedly the CEO and I were friends at one point 
in our lives...


Lesson learned, karma returned...

On 08/07/2019 09:36 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 8/7/19 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

and?




Zayo is shit. They'll tell you they can deliver a service when they 
never actually intended to. Zayo will make up excuses for literally 
years, set "firm" dates that move every month, and say anything and 
blame anyone else except admitting they can't do the job.




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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor/Outdoor Fiber Patch

[Chris Fabien]

Corning makes a "rugged drop" assembly Graybar has them in stock in several
sizes. Not armored but very sturdy jacket, I think they only come in SC/APC
ends. We use for run from NID to a baseboard jack.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:22 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I need an outdoor, possibly armored fiber patch cable to run from my
> splice point on the outside of the customer's house to a NID located
> indoors. Does anyone have a good source for these? I don't need them to be
> too long, since I can likely mount just inside of the house.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Craig Schmaderer]

Yep, my experience with them is shit as well.   They bought out another company 
that I was working a transit deal on, and wanted triple the amount once they 
took ownership.  So I told them to pound sand.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 11:36 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

On 8/7/19 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> and?
> 
> 

Zayo is shit. They'll tell you they can deliver a service when they never 
actually intended to. Zayo will make up excuses for literally years, set "firm" 
dates that move every month, and say anything and blame anyone else except 
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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/7/19 9:30 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

and?




Zayo is shit. They'll tell you they can deliver a service when they 
never actually intended to. Zayo will make up excuses for literally 
years, set "firm" dates that move every month, and say anything and 
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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Mike Hammett]

I assume you have a point and that I didn't just hear an echo. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Craig Schmaderer"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 11:34:06 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT 



But it’s Zayo… 



From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 11:31 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT 


and? 



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From: "Robert" < i...@avantwireless.com > 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 10:16:56 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT 

But it's Zayo... 

On 8/7/19 8:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/ 





It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC. 



I know several of you have limited transport options, so hopefully this helps. 





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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Craig Schmaderer]

But it’s Zayo…

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 11:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

and?


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From: "Robert" mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 10:16:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

But it's Zayo...
On 8/7/19 8:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/


It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC.

I know several of you have limited transport options, so hopefully this helps.



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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Mike Hammett]

and? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Robert"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 10:16:56 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT 

But it's Zayo... 


On 8/7/19 8:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/ 




It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC. 


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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor/Outdoor Fiber Patch

[Carl Peterson]

Craig, Do you have any pics of them?  what does construction on them look
like on a simplex cable?

I recently found someone who says they can do Corning or OFS 4.8mm at a
reasonable price.  Dropped my first order but the lead is like a month as
well.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:55 AM Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> This is all I use anymore, just takes a month to get them.
>
>
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 7, 2019 10:22 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Indoor/Outdoor Fiber Patch
>
>
>
> I need an outdoor, possibly armored fiber patch cable to run from my
> splice point on the outside of the customer's house to a NID located
> indoors. Does anyone have a good source for these? I don't need them to be
> too long, since I can likely mount just inside of the house.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor/Outdoor Fiber Patch

[Craig Schmaderer]

This is all I use anymore, just takes a month to get them.

https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Indoor/Outdoor Fiber Patch

I need an outdoor, possibly armored fiber patch cable to run from my splice 
point on the outside of the customer's house to a NID located indoors. Does 
anyone have a good source for these? I don't need them to be too long, since I 
can likely mount just inside of the house.

Thanks.

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[AFMUG] Indoor/Outdoor Fiber Patch

[Jason McKemie]

I need an outdoor, possibly armored fiber patch cable to run from my splice
point on the outside of the customer's house to a NID located indoors. Does
anyone have a good source for these? I don't need them to be too long,
since I can likely mount just inside of the house.

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Re: [AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Robert]

But it's Zayo...

On 8/7/19 8:02 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/


It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC.

I know several of you have limited transport options, so hopefully 
this helps.





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[AFMUG] New Fiber Route - CO and UT

[Mike Hammett]

https://www.telecomramblings.com/2019/08/zayo-blaze-new-trail-rockies/ 




It seems to follow US-6 from Denver to SLC. 


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[AFMUG] OT: House repeater contract

[Andy Trimmell]

Anyone have a template for a house repeater contract? Hit me offlist

 

atrimmell @ precisionds.com

 

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Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

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Re: [AFMUG] uBolts

[Ken Hohhof]

Would 4-5/8 be close enough?
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=67


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 7, 2019 8:22 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uBolts

McMaster-Carr. They have a wide variety of U-bolts including galvanized. 
https://www.mcmaster.com/u-bolts


bp


On 8/7/2019 6:18 AM, Matt wrote:
> Looking for galvanized uBolts with 5 inch inside diameter.  Anyone know
source?
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Re: [AFMUG] uBolts

[Lewis Bergman]

Sitepro1 might. Be careful though, I once needed 2 galv u bolts and
accidently ordered 2 buckets of 100 each. I still have a bunch of those.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 8:19 AM Matt  wrote:

> Looking for galvanized uBolts with 5 inch inside diameter.  Anyone know
> source?
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Re: [AFMUG] uBolts

[Bill Prince]

McMaster-Carr. They have a wide variety of U-bolts including galvanized. 
https://www.mcmaster.com/u-bolts



bp


On 8/7/2019 6:18 AM, Matt wrote:

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[AFMUG] uBolts

[Matt]

Looking for galvanized uBolts with 5 inch inside diameter.  Anyone know source?

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Re: [AFMUG] tecnu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
My Mom used to insist on using Fels Naptha
soap. She was very sensitive to poison ivy, but loved
  collecting mushrooms where I grew up. She would always wash up
  with the stuff after a mushroom outing.


bp



On 8/7/2019 5:57 AM, Josh Baird wrote:


  
  As someone who is ridiculously allergic to poison
ivy/oak:


Tecnu works.  I keep it on hand.  Dawn+cold water also
  works as it cuts the oil.  There are also some other soaps
  that are typically available at outdoors stores that are known
  to work if applied immediately after exposure.
  
  
  
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:52 AM
  Andrew Haninger  wrote:

It
  seems to me that plain soap and water (if available) should
  also do
  the trick.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oyoDRHpQK0
  
  Andy
  
  On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:44 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
  >
  > What we do instead of Tecnu is just carry a bottle of
  rubbing alcohol
  > and a roll of paper towels. Alcohol will cut the usushiol
  without
  > opening the pores on your skin. Pour a liberal amount of
  alcohol on a
  > paper towel and wipe it over your arms (or face or legs
  or hands), and
  > dispose of the paper towel in a plastic or paper bag. Use
  each towel
  > once so you're not just spreading the oil around. This is
  pretty
  > effective, and costs a lot less than Tecnu and it's
  available almost
  > anywhere.
  >
  > As a point of note; if you shower after exposure to
  poison oak or poison
  > ivy, don't take a hot shower. Take a cold shower because
  you don't want
  > to open the pores on your skin.
  >
  > Lessons from field work...
  >
  > bp
  > 
  >
  > On 8/7/2019 4:11 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
  > > I've tried Tecnu as well as degreasers such as Gojo
  and Super Orange.
  > > I figure if it removes black motor grease from my
  skin it should work
  > > on poison ivy.  I can't tell if either works or not.
  > >
  > > Bill Prince wrote:
  > >>
  > >> Yes, it works. The open space district field
  workers use it all the
  > >> time. You can get it in pharmacies around here.
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> bp
  > >> 
  > >>
  > >> On 8/6/2019 6:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  > >>>
  > >>> There’s a product on Amazon called Tecnu
  that claims to remove the
  > >>> oil from poison ivy/oak if you use it right
  away.  Can anyone verify?
  > >>>
  > >>> Unfortunately you would have to buy it ahead
  of time and have it
  > >>> with you, along with running cool water. 
  Kind of like the products
  > >>> they sell at pet stores to get skunk smell
  out of your dog, it’s
  > >>> great if you buy it before the actual skunk
  incident and can grab it
  > >>> quick and also have a hose.
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >
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Re: [AFMUG] tecnu

[Josh Baird]

As someone who is ridiculously allergic to poison ivy/oak:

Tecnu works.  I keep it on hand.  Dawn+cold water also works as it cuts the
oil.  There are also some other soaps that are typically available at
outdoors stores that are known to work if applied immediately after
exposure.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:52 AM Andrew Haninger  wrote:

> It seems to me that plain soap and water (if available) should also do
> the trick.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oyoDRHpQK0
>
> Andy
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:44 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
> >
> > What we do instead of Tecnu is just carry a bottle of rubbing alcohol
> > and a roll of paper towels. Alcohol will cut the usushiol without
> > opening the pores on your skin. Pour a liberal amount of alcohol on a
> > paper towel and wipe it over your arms (or face or legs or hands), and
> > dispose of the paper towel in a plastic or paper bag. Use each towel
> > once so you're not just spreading the oil around. This is pretty
> > effective, and costs a lot less than Tecnu and it's available almost
> > anywhere.
> >
> > As a point of note; if you shower after exposure to poison oak or poison
> > ivy, don't take a hot shower. Take a cold shower because you don't want
> > to open the pores on your skin.
> >
> > Lessons from field work...
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 8/7/2019 4:11 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> > > I've tried Tecnu as well as degreasers such as Gojo and Super Orange.
> > > I figure if it removes black motor grease from my skin it should work
> > > on poison ivy.  I can't tell if either works or not.
> > >
> > > Bill Prince wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Yes, it works. The open space district field workers use it all the
> > >> time. You can get it in pharmacies around here.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> bp
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >> On 8/6/2019 6:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> There’s a product on Amazon called Tecnu that claims to remove the
> > >>> oil from poison ivy/oak if you use it right away.  Can anyone verify?
> > >>>
> > >>> Unfortunately you would have to buy it ahead of time and have it
> > >>> with you, along with running cool water.  Kind of like the products
> > >>> they sell at pet stores to get skunk smell out of your dog, it’s
> > >>> great if you buy it before the actual skunk incident and can grab it
> > >>> quick and also have a hose.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
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Re: [AFMUG] tecnu

[Andrew Haninger]

It seems to me that plain soap and water (if available) should also do
the trick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oyoDRHpQK0

Andy

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:44 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> What we do instead of Tecnu is just carry a bottle of rubbing alcohol
> and a roll of paper towels. Alcohol will cut the usushiol without
> opening the pores on your skin. Pour a liberal amount of alcohol on a
> paper towel and wipe it over your arms (or face or legs or hands), and
> dispose of the paper towel in a plastic or paper bag. Use each towel
> once so you're not just spreading the oil around. This is pretty
> effective, and costs a lot less than Tecnu and it's available almost
> anywhere.
>
> As a point of note; if you shower after exposure to poison oak or poison
> ivy, don't take a hot shower. Take a cold shower because you don't want
> to open the pores on your skin.
>
> Lessons from field work...
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/7/2019 4:11 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> > I've tried Tecnu as well as degreasers such as Gojo and Super Orange.
> > I figure if it removes black motor grease from my skin it should work
> > on poison ivy.  I can't tell if either works or not.
> >
> > Bill Prince wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, it works. The open space district field workers use it all the
> >> time. You can get it in pharmacies around here.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 8/6/2019 6:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There’s a product on Amazon called Tecnu that claims to remove the
> >>> oil from poison ivy/oak if you use it right away.  Can anyone verify?
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately you would have to buy it ahead of time and have it
> >>> with you, along with running cool water.  Kind of like the products
> >>> they sell at pet stores to get skunk smell out of your dog, it’s
> >>> great if you buy it before the actual skunk incident and can grab it
> >>> quick and also have a hose.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] tecnu

[Bill Prince]

What we do instead of Tecnu is just carry a bottle of rubbing alcohol 
and a roll of paper towels. Alcohol will cut the usushiol without 
opening the pores on your skin. Pour a liberal amount of alcohol on a 
paper towel and wipe it over your arms (or face or legs or hands), and 
dispose of the paper towel in a plastic or paper bag. Use each towel 
once so you're not just spreading the oil around. This is pretty 
effective, and costs a lot less than Tecnu and it's available almost 
anywhere.


As a point of note; if you shower after exposure to poison oak or poison 
ivy, don't take a hot shower. Take a cold shower because you don't want 
to open the pores on your skin.


Lessons from field work...

bp


On 8/7/2019 4:11 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
I've tried Tecnu as well as degreasers such as Gojo and Super Orange. 
I figure if it removes black motor grease from my skin it should work 
on poison ivy.  I can't tell if either works or not.


Bill Prince wrote:


Yes, it works. The open space district field workers use it all the 
time. You can get it in pharmacies around here.



bp


On 8/6/2019 6:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


There’s a product on Amazon called Tecnu that claims to remove the 
oil from poison ivy/oak if you use it right away.  Can anyone verify?


Unfortunately you would have to buy it ahead of time and have it 
with you, along with running cool water.  Kind of like the products 
they sell at pet stores to get skunk smell out of your dog, it’s 
great if you buy it before the actual skunk incident and can grab it 
quick and also have a hose.










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Re: [AFMUG] tecnu

[Jay Weekley]

I've tried Tecnu as well as degreasers such as Gojo and Super Orange.  I 
figure if it removes black motor grease from my skin it should work on 
poison ivy.  I can't tell if either works or not.


Bill Prince wrote:


Yes, it works. The open space district field workers use it all the 
time. You can get it in pharmacies around here.



bp


On 8/6/2019 6:21 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


There’s a product on Amazon called Tecnu that claims to remove the 
oil from poison ivy/oak if you use it right away.  Can anyone verify?


Unfortunately you would have to buy it ahead of time and have it with 
you, along with running cool water.  Kind of like the products they 
sell at pet stores to get skunk smell out of your dog, it’s great if 
you buy it before the actual skunk incident and can grab it quick and 
also have a hose.








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