Re: [AFMUG] Dc system questions

[Steve Jones]

Is there any other component that changes with capacity change?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 10:47 PM Jason Wilson 
wrote:

> My rule of thumb is 10% of your AH. 400ah of batteries would be a 40a
> charger.   Float the charge voltage as per battery specs.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:27 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> First question, if i have say 4 12v batteries and want to double runtime
>> by adding 4 more, will that require a bigger charger? Or can i just keep
>> adding batteries and it just takes longer to reach a full charge?
>>
>> If for whatever reason, one of the batteries has less of a charge, once
>> the rest reach full charge will it continue until its at the same level of
>> charge?
>>
>> I seem to recall that i keep getting told 24 vold battery arrays are more
>> efficient than 48v. If thats the case, do i just put a 24v to 48v power
>> supply on it to run all my gear?
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Dc system questions

[Jason Wilson]

My rule of thumb is 10% of your AH. 400ah of batteries would be a 40a
charger.   Float the charge voltage as per battery specs.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:27 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> First question, if i have say 4 12v batteries and want to double runtime
> by adding 4 more, will that require a bigger charger? Or can i just keep
> adding batteries and it just takes longer to reach a full charge?
>
> If for whatever reason, one of the batteries has less of a charge, once
> the rest reach full charge will it continue until its at the same level of
> charge?
>
> I seem to recall that i keep getting told 24 vold battery arrays are more
> efficient than 48v. If thats the case, do i just put a 24v to 48v power
> supply on it to run all my gear?
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] Dc system questions

[Steve Jones]

First question, if i have say 4 12v batteries and want to double runtime by
adding 4 more, will that require a bigger charger? Or can i just keep
adding batteries and it just takes longer to reach a full charge?

If for whatever reason, one of the batteries has less of a charge, once the
rest reach full charge will it continue until its at the same level of
charge?

I seem to recall that i keep getting told 24 vold battery arrays are more
efficient than 48v. If thats the case, do i just put a 24v to 48v power
supply on it to run all my gear?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Jaime Solorza]

Congratulations

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:04 PM  wrote:

> God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with you.
>
> But today I  get another grandson.
>
> While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I
> think.  I think ...
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're
> From El Paso
>
>
> https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
>
>
> Plus Tecate shields me from viruses, fungus and other nasties
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

I like this. I hope they allow it unlike the facility in california theyre
protesting the use of

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 9:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Interesting blog of what they’re doing in the Seattle area.  I found it
> interesting they’re buying a motel for quarantine patients.
>
>
>
> https://www.kuow.org/stories/live-blog-coronavirus-updates-in-seattle-area
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:03 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Is an rfp for 500 million masks over 18 months apparently. This is to
> insure production numbers stay up. Would seem since this is for global
> response that maybe it would be better served this bill be footed by a
> global partnership like the UN. The UN wont pay retail, we will pay 10
> bucks a mask when its all said and done.
>
> Not sure why this wasnt done after the last "pandemic" killed 12000
> americans... wait, its because (as much as i hate to admit it) the prior
> administration made a fiscally responsible decision. 300 million, 30
> million 10 packs. Storage alone would be a nightmare.
>
> This is exactly the same scenario i ran across managing supplies in my EMS
> days. We had a wreck on the highway, car spun out, hit one guard rail,
> punctured the fuel tank, engulfed the car, struck the next guard rail and
> the windows broke out. Super heated fueal air mix drafted the interior, all
> 4 occupants 80 plus percent 3rd degree burns. People were dumping water on
> the burns, bottled water, everyhing they had. The bacteria from doing that
> alone would have killed them, if the hypothermia and dehydration didnt. My
> guy got a saline wrap and taken to a higher level of care. He went out in
> the ER and never made it to the burn unit.
>
> After the fact everybody was demanding we dedicated an entire compartment
> on each rig to extra water for the next mass casualty burn.
>
> A. There is limited real estate in an ambulance. You carry what youre most
> likely to use, they wanted to take out the road flares and body bags. Those
> are mandated.
>
> B. Irrigation in the field is contraindicated. Introduction of bacteria,
> dehydration, and hypothermia. You also will shut down their kidneys.
>
> C. Everything expires, including sterile water and saline. This means more
> backstock storage.
>
> So i went to the state burn director to get the permission to use water
> gel, it comes in packs the size of a hand warmer. Then took that to IDPH
> and filled the paperwork for approval in the state for its use. Thats why
> its in illininois allowed use list.
>
> Slapback responses to issues that rarely happen that consist of
> unreasonable policy with burdensome inventory management and innappropriate
> reaponse are never a good idea. Note the surgeon general announcement not
> to buy n95 masks since theyre ineeffective.
>
>
>
> People need to first calm their tits. Thats job 1. Then, reasonable people
> need to sit down and address what is most likely to be a  cost effective
> and reasonable mechanism for preparedness (300 million masks is not it).
>
>
>
> You have emergency reaponders, PPE for them, yes. Does that start in a
> federal warehouse, maybe. DOT and state departments of health design or
> repurpose existing health product delivery systems down to regional EMS
> systems. Individual facilities and responder services fill aquisitions for
> replenishment and backstock. The global inventory gets rotated down. More
> pork, but maybe feasible, still doesnt do much. What about the atropine
> shortages when the nerve agents were gonna kill us all? It expired out and
> was disposed of.
>
> So we are also going to subsidize 3m for this? Its not a one time
> purchase. How did that work out for dairy farmers?
>
> None of this needs to be addressed until after the emergent threat is
> over, or you end up making emotion based decisions. Like paying higher than
> retail for 300 million masks to artificially inflate a producers production
> demand and stock value.
>
> Instead of growing the machine for an inefficient solution, why not put
> all that dough into treatment preparedness.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:19 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> I'm just shocked they don't have a strategic stockpile of at least a few
> million.Buy some with a long shelf life, and rotate them out into the
> VA system every year, or do something similar.
>
>
>
> Heck, if you just ensured the VA system had what they needed times the
> shelf life minus a few months, then when the crap hit the fan you'd have
> enough for 90 days of emergency, which you'd then need to replenish.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:08 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at all
> times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let alone
> cycle it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage
>
>
>
> On 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Ken Hohhof]

Interesting blog of what they’re doing in the Seattle area.  I found it 
interesting they’re buying a motel for quarantine patients.

 

https://www.kuow.org/stories/live-blog-coronavirus-updates-in-seattle-area

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

Is an rfp for 500 million masks over 18 months apparently. This is to insure 
production numbers stay up. Would seem since this is for global response that 
maybe it would be better served this bill be footed by a global partnership 
like the UN. The UN wont pay retail, we will pay 10 bucks a mask when its all 
said and done.

Not sure why this wasnt done after the last "pandemic" killed 12000 
americans... wait, its because (as much as i hate to admit it) the prior 
administration made a fiscally responsible decision. 300 million, 30 million 10 
packs. Storage alone would be a nightmare.

This is exactly the same scenario i ran across managing supplies in my EMS 
days. We had a wreck on the highway, car spun out, hit one guard rail, 
punctured the fuel tank, engulfed the car, struck the next guard rail and the 
windows broke out. Super heated fueal air mix drafted the interior, all 4 
occupants 80 plus percent 3rd degree burns. People were dumping water on the 
burns, bottled water, everyhing they had. The bacteria from doing that alone 
would have killed them, if the hypothermia and dehydration didnt. My guy got a 
saline wrap and taken to a higher level of care. He went out in the ER and 
never made it to the burn unit.

After the fact everybody was demanding we dedicated an entire compartment on 
each rig to extra water for the next mass casualty burn.

A. There is limited real estate in an ambulance. You carry what youre most 
likely to use, they wanted to take out the road flares and body bags. Those are 
mandated.

B. Irrigation in the field is contraindicated. Introduction of bacteria, 
dehydration, and hypothermia. You also will shut down their kidneys.

C. Everything expires, including sterile water and saline. This means more 
backstock storage.

So i went to the state burn director to get the permission to use water gel, it 
comes in packs the size of a hand warmer. Then took that to IDPH and filled the 
paperwork for approval in the state for its use. Thats why its in illininois 
allowed use list.

Slapback responses to issues that rarely happen that consist of unreasonable 
policy with burdensome inventory management and innappropriate reaponse are 
never a good idea. Note the surgeon general announcement not to buy n95 masks 
since theyre ineeffective.

 

People need to first calm their tits. Thats job 1. Then, reasonable people need 
to sit down and address what is most likely to be a  cost effective and 
reasonable mechanism for preparedness (300 million masks is not it).

 

You have emergency reaponders, PPE for them, yes. Does that start in a federal 
warehouse, maybe. DOT and state departments of health design or repurpose 
existing health product delivery systems down to regional EMS systems. 
Individual facilities and responder services fill aquisitions for replenishment 
and backstock. The global inventory gets rotated down. More pork, but maybe 
feasible, still doesnt do much. What about the atropine shortages when the 
nerve agents were gonna kill us all? It expired out and was disposed of.

So we are also going to subsidize 3m for this? Its not a one time purchase. How 
did that work out for dairy farmers?

None of this needs to be addressed until after the emergent threat is over, or 
you end up making emotion based decisions. Like paying higher than retail for 
300 million masks to artificially inflate a producers production demand and 
stock value.

Instead of growing the machine for an inefficient solution, why not put all 
that dough into treatment preparedness. 

 

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:19 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

I'm just shocked they don't have a strategic stockpile of at least a few 
million.Buy some with a long shelf life, and rotate them out into the VA 
system every year, or do something similar.

 

Heck, if you just ensured the VA system had what they needed times the shelf 
life minus a few months, then when the crap hit the fan you'd have enough for 
90 days of emergency, which you'd then need to replenish.

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:08 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at all 
times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let alone cycle 
it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote:

No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared! 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Steve Jones]

Can we still get those? I hate them though. Im a gentleman so i wont say
what i think they taste like.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 9:02 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Better an abogado than an avocado.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 7:32 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're
> From El Paso
>
>
>
> Even when I have no ideal what you are saying, I still find it amusing.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:14 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're
> From El Paso
>
>
>
> Abagodo sounds like something an italian would call a kid with a melon
> shaped head
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 7:06 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> You know all you have to do is drink bleach. Then you can't get COVID-19.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with you.
>
>
>
> But today I  get another grandson.
>
>
>
> While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I
> think.  I think ...
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're
> From El Paso
>
>
>
>
> https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
>
>
>
>
> Plus Tecate shields me from viruses, fungus and other nasties
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Is an rfp for 500 million masks over 18 months apparently. This is to
insure production numbers stay up. Would seem since this is for global
response that maybe it would be better served this bill be footed by a
global partnership like the UN. The UN wont pay retail, we will pay 10
bucks a mask when its all said and done.
Not sure why this wasnt done after the last "pandemic" killed 12000
americans... wait, its because (as much as i hate to admit it) the prior
administration made a fiscally responsible decision. 300 million, 30
million 10 packs. Storage alone would be a nightmare.
This is exactly the same scenario i ran across managing supplies in my EMS
days. We had a wreck on the highway, car spun out, hit one guard rail,
punctured the fuel tank, engulfed the car, struck the next guard rail and
the windows broke out. Super heated fueal air mix drafted the interior, all
4 occupants 80 plus percent 3rd degree burns. People were dumping water on
the burns, bottled water, everyhing they had. The bacteria from doing that
alone would have killed them, if the hypothermia and dehydration didnt. My
guy got a saline wrap and taken to a higher level of care. He went out in
the ER and never made it to the burn unit.
After the fact everybody was demanding we dedicated an entire compartment
on each rig to extra water for the next mass casualty burn.
A. There is limited real estate in an ambulance. You carry what youre most
likely to use, they wanted to take out the road flares and body bags. Those
are mandated.
B. Irrigation in the field is contraindicated. Introduction of bacteria,
dehydration, and hypothermia. You also will shut down their kidneys.
C. Everything expires, including sterile water and saline. This means more
backstock storage.
So i went to the state burn director to get the permission to use water
gel, it comes in packs the size of a hand warmer. Then took that to IDPH
and filled the paperwork for approval in the state for its use. Thats why
its in illininois allowed use list.
Slapback responses to issues that rarely happen that consist of
unreasonable policy with burdensome inventory management and innappropriate
reaponse are never a good idea. Note the surgeon general announcement not
to buy n95 masks since theyre ineeffective.

People need to first calm their tits. Thats job 1. Then, reasonable people
need to sit down and address what is most likely to be a  cost effective
and reasonable mechanism for preparedness (300 million masks is not it).

You have emergency reaponders, PPE for them, yes. Does that start in a
federal warehouse, maybe. DOT and state departments of health design or
repurpose existing health product delivery systems down to regional EMS
systems. Individual facilities and responder services fill aquisitions for
replenishment and backstock. The global inventory gets rotated down. More
pork, but maybe feasible, still doesnt do much. What about the atropine
shortages when the nerve agents were gonna kill us all? It expired out and
was disposed of.
So we are also going to subsidize 3m for this? Its not a one time purchase.
How did that work out for dairy farmers?
None of this needs to be addressed until after the emergent threat is over,
or you end up making emotion based decisions. Like paying higher than
retail for 300 million masks to artificially inflate a producers production
demand and stock value.
Instead of growing the machine for an inefficient solution, why not put all
that dough into treatment preparedness.


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:19 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm just shocked they don't have a strategic stockpile of at least a few
> million.Buy some with a long shelf life, and rotate them out into the
> VA system every year, or do something similar.
>
> Heck, if you just ensured the VA system had what they needed times the
> shelf life minus a few months, then when the crap hit the fan you'd have
> enough for 90 days of emergency, which you'd then need to replenish.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:08 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at
>> all times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let alone
>> cycle it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:
>>
>>> No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steven Kenney
>>> Network Operations Manager
>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>> The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work.
>>> Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the
>>> population, half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses,
>>> which means theyre trapping 

Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Ken Hohhof]

Better an abogado than an avocado.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 7:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso

 

Even when I have no ideal what you are saying, I still find it amusing.

 

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:14 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso

 

Abagodo sounds like something an italian would call a kid with a melon shaped 
head

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 7:06 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You know all you have to do is drink bleach. Then you can't get COVID-19.

 

bp

 

On 3/2/2020 5:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with you.  

 

But today I  get another grandson.

 

While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I think. 
 I think ...

 

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

 

https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
  

 

Plus Tecate shields me from viruses, fungus and other nasties 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm just shocked they don't have a strategic stockpile of at least a few
million.Buy some with a long shelf life, and rotate them out into the
VA system every year, or do something similar.

Heck, if you just ensured the VA system had what they needed times the
shelf life minus a few months, then when the crap hit the fan you'd have
enough for 90 days of emergency, which you'd then need to replenish.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:08 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at all
> times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let alone
> cycle it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:
>
>> No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared!
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>> The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work.
>> Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the
>> population, half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses,
>> which means theyre trapping the virus inside the mask. and if youre not
>> going to shave, dont even bother. Same reason firemen have mustaches and
>> not beards
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Steven Kenney
>>> Network Operations Manager
>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>> I think this topic has \lent
>>> but anybody watching this:
>>> Market Summary
>>> 
>>>  > Dow Jones Industrial Average
>>> INDEXDJX: .DJI
>>> Follow
>>> 26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%)
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM  wrote:
>>>
 It does seem like it would please some of them.
 But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?

 *From:* Adam Moffett
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


 Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic
 outcome.


 On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

 Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
 would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
 how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
 chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
 nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
 people in a quarantine have the choice?

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson <
 cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting
> and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll
> list.  It doesn't belong here.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me
>> if this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that 
>> having
>> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>>
>> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
>> current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
>> rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
>> plagues decimate.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Brilliant!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Not a chance. I run this place like a gulag. No canadians here, theyre just
frenchmen who havent surrendered enough times.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:48 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Somehow I thought Steve would end up like Mike Baxter on Last Man
> Standing, with a house full of women, all liberals, and a Canadian
> son-in-law.  Karma.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Luggage.
>
> Pricelass.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 5:17 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Wife said shes done after this one. Im fine with that, shes aged and ready
> for pasture. I figure i find a "nanny" to grow the line, help the old lady
> around the house with chores. Im not all that picky on what suitcase
> carries my seed, its all luggage to me
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:08 PM  wrote:
>
> You are half way there dude!
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 4:35 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Number 4. Clarence after my great uncle, dirty old bastard. He was the guy
> youd go to for zero day dirty jokes. Hard working and corrupt as they come
> without being evil
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 5:23 PM  wrote:
>
> One of my daughters gave birth to my 6th grandchild today.
>
> Let’s hope that Cheyenne WY is free from the virus for a while.
>
>
>
> 18 days for you Steve.  Fingers crossed.  How many will this make for you?
>
>
>
> My wife gave birth to 8.  She swears they are all mine.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 11:16 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> there have been hundreds of presumptives. are they all first case? does
> suck, the wifes c section is on the 20th, thats 3 days in a petri dish. if
> we get a case in that hospital, all bets are off. luckily, a c section is
> 12 weeks off work, so kung flu will be gone by the time she goes back.
>
> media needs to quit reporting presumptive cases. sarasota is where my
> brother lived before he died, big meth community there, you do not want
> those guys getting it
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[chuck]

Even when I have no ideal what you are saying, I still find it amusing.


From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso

Abagodo sounds like something an italian would call a kid with a melon shaped 
head

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 7:06 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  You know all you have to do is drink bleach. Then you can't get COVID-19.



bp


On 3/2/2020 5:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with you.  

But today I  get another grandson.

While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I 
think.  I think ...


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're >From 
El Paso


https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Steve Jones]

Abagodo sounds like something an italian would call a kid with a melon
shaped head

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 7:06 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> You know all you have to do is drink bleach. Then you can't get COVID-19.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with you.
>
> But today I  get another grandson.
>
> While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I
> think.  I think ...
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're
> From El Paso
>
>
> https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Bill Prince]

  
  
You know all you have to do is drink bleach. Then you can't get
  COVID-19.


bp



On 3/2/2020 5:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky
Corna with you.  
   
  But today I  get another grandson.
   
  While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in
the win column I think.  I think ...
   
  

   
  
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't
  Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso
  

 
  
  
https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/ 
   
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Re: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[chuck]

God bless you Jaime. I wish I was there to drink a skunky Corna with you.  

But today I  get another grandson.

While not enthused about the abogado grandson, it is in the win column I think. 
 I think ...


From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

https://kisselpaso.com/5-reasons-you-wont-get-coronavirus-if-youre-from-el-paso/
  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Ken Hohhof]

Somehow I thought Steve would end up like Mike Baxter on Last Man Standing, 
with a house full of women, all liberals, and a Canadian son-in-law.  Karma.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

Luggage. 

Pricelass.  

 

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:17 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

Wife said shes done after this one. Im fine with that, shes aged and ready for 
pasture. I figure i find a "nanny" to grow the line, help the old lady around 
the house with chores. Im not all that picky on what suitcase carries my seed, 
its all luggage to me

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:08 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

You are half way there dude!

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 4:35 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

Number 4. Clarence after my great uncle, dirty old bastard. He was the guy youd 
go to for zero day dirty jokes. Hard working and corrupt as they come without 
being evil

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 5:23 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

One of my daughters gave birth to my 6th grandchild today.  

Let’s hope that Cheyenne WY is free from the virus for a while.  

 

18 days for you Steve.  Fingers crossed.  How many will this make for you?

 

My wife gave birth to 8.  She swears they are all mine.  

 

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 11:16 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

there have been hundreds of presumptives. are they all first case? does suck, 
the wifes c section is on the 20th, thats 3 days in a petri dish. if we get a 
case in that hospital, all bets are off. luckily, a c section is 12 weeks off 
work, so kung flu will be gone by the time she goes back. 

media needs to quit reporting presumptive cases. sarasota is where my brother 
lived before he died, big meth community there, you do not want those guys 
getting it

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[chuck]

Luggage. 
Pricelass.  


From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Wife said shes done after this one. Im fine with that, shes aged and ready for 
pasture. I figure i find a "nanny" to grow the line, help the old lady around 
the house with chores. Im not all that picky on what suitcase carries my seed, 
its all luggage to me

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:08 PM  wrote:

  You are half way there dude!

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 4:35 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

  Number 4. Clarence after my great uncle, dirty old bastard. He was the guy 
youd go to for zero day dirty jokes. Hard working and corrupt as they come 
without being evil

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 5:23 PM  wrote:

One of my daughters gave birth to my 6th grandchild today.  
Let’s hope that Cheyenne WY is free from the virus for a while.  

18 days for you Steve.  Fingers crossed.  How many will this make for you?

My wife gave birth to 8.  She swears they are all mine.  

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 11:16 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  there have been hundreds of presumptives. are they all first case? does 
suck, the wifes c section is on the 20th, thats 3 days in a petri dish. if we 
get a case in that hospital, all bets are off. luckily, a c section is 12 weeks 
off work, so kung flu will be gone by the time she goes back. 
  media needs to quit reporting presumptive cases. sarasota is where my 
brother lived before he died, big meth community there, you do not want those 
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[AFMUG] OT:::5 Reasons You Won't Get Coronavirus If You're From El Paso

[Jaime Solorza]

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Wife said shes done after this one. Im fine with that, shes aged and ready
for pasture. I figure i find a "nanny" to grow the line, help the old lady
around the house with chores. Im not all that picky on what suitcase
carries my seed, its all luggage to me

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 6:08 PM  wrote:

> You are half way there dude!
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 4:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> Number 4. Clarence after my great uncle, dirty old bastard. He was the guy
> youd go to for zero day dirty jokes. Hard working and corrupt as they come
> without being evil
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 5:23 PM  wrote:
>
>> One of my daughters gave birth to my 6th grandchild today.
>> Let’s hope that Cheyenne WY is free from the virus for a while.
>>
>> 18 days for you Steve.  Fingers crossed.  How many will this make for you?
>>
>> My wife gave birth to 8.  She swears they are all mine.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 11:16 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> there have been hundreds of presumptives. are they all first case? does
>>> suck, the wifes c section is on the 20th, thats 3 days in a petri dish. if
>>> we get a case in that hospital, all bets are off. luckily, a c section is
>>> 12 weeks off work, so kung flu will be gone by the time she goes back.
>>> media needs to quit reporting presumptive cases. sarasota is where my
>>> brother lived before he died, big meth community there, you do not want
>>> those guys getting it
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[chuck]

You are half way there dude!

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 4:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Number 4. Clarence after my great uncle, dirty old bastard. He was the guy youd 
go to for zero day dirty jokes. Hard working and corrupt as they come without 
being evil

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 5:23 PM  wrote:

  One of my daughters gave birth to my 6th grandchild today.  
  Let’s hope that Cheyenne WY is free from the virus for a while.  

  18 days for you Steve.  Fingers crossed.  How many will this make for you?

  My wife gave birth to 8.  She swears they are all mine.  

  On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 11:16 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

there have been hundreds of presumptives. are they all first case? does 
suck, the wifes c section is on the 20th, thats 3 days in a petri dish. if we 
get a case in that hospital, all bets are off. luckily, a c section is 12 weeks 
off work, so kung flu will be gone by the time she goes back. 
media needs to quit reporting presumptive cases. sarasota is where my 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Number 4. Clarence after my great uncle, dirty old bastard. He was the guy
youd go to for zero day dirty jokes. Hard working and corrupt as they come
without being evil

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 5:23 PM  wrote:

> One of my daughters gave birth to my 6th grandchild today.
> Let’s hope that Cheyenne WY is free from the virus for a while.
>
> 18 days for you Steve.  Fingers crossed.  How many will this make for you?
>
> My wife gave birth to 8.  She swears they are all mine.
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 11:16 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> there have been hundreds of presumptives. are they all first case? does
>> suck, the wifes c section is on the 20th, thats 3 days in a petri dish. if
>> we get a case in that hospital, all bets are off. luckily, a c section is
>> 12 weeks off work, so kung flu will be gone by the time she goes back.
>> media needs to quit reporting presumptive cases. sarasota is where my
>> brother lived before he died, big meth community there, you do not want
>> those guys getting it
>>
>>
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[chuck]

One of my daughters gave birth to my 6th grandchild today.  
Let’s hope that Cheyenne WY is free from the virus for a while.  

18 days for you Steve.  Fingers crossed.  How many will this make for you?

My wife gave birth to 8.  She swears they are all mine.  

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 11:16 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  there have been hundreds of presumptives. are they all first case? does suck, 
the wifes c section is on the 20th, thats 3 days in a petri dish. if we get a 
case in that hospital, all bets are off. luckily, a c section is 12 weeks off 
work, so kung flu will be gone by the time she goes back. 
  media needs to quit reporting presumptive cases. sarasota is where my brother 
lived before he died, big meth community there, you do not want those guys 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Ken Hohhof]

I wonder what happened to 230 bed Westlake hospital in Melrose Park just west 
of Chicago.  I'm assuming it closed and all the staff were let go?  But that 
was only like 6 months ago.  It may not have been profitable enough, but it 
wasn't cardboard, the switches weren't painted on, seems like it could be 
brought out of mothballs if (big if) they can find staff.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-westlake-hospital-closing-20190809-txyjyw2y5bazzhosdj754k6e74-story.html


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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

There was an interesting article about the attempt at the FEMA camp in 
Anniston, and it pointed out that the Hospital emergency center was 
composed of Cardboard devices and painted on switches.   Apparently good 
enough for combat practice not quite up to snuff for patients...



On 03/02/2020 03:05 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
> 
> This happened in Anniston Alabama
> 
> 
> Sent from my smartphone
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2020 10:09 AM
> 
> The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by 
> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any 
> place that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal 
> funding for anything.
> they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
> There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago 
> beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody 
> who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every 
> town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with 
> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out 
> rather than seeking care.
> Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> 
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
> term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying
> US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
> airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not
> much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open
> up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese
> weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a
> field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
> 
> __ __
> 
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
> hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies,
> eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need
> to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff and first
> responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening
> with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are
> now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that
> facility.
> 
> __ __
> 
> __ __
> 
> *From:* AF  > *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
> __ __
> 
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
> enough patients
> 
> __ __
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  > wrote:
> 
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
> from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
> 
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
> the end.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> 
> __  __
> 
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> 
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
> tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
> baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
> cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
> times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
> end.  Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* AF 
>  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
> 
> 
> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
> preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.
> 
> Just a 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

There was an interesting article about the attempt at the FEMA camp in 
Anniston, and it pointed out that the Hospital emergency center was 
composed of Cardboard devices and painted on switches.   Apparently good 
enough for combat practice not quite up to snuff for patients...




On 03/02/2020 03:05 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


This happened in Anniston Alabama


Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2020 10:09 AM

The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by 
localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any 
place that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal 
funding for anything.

they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago 
beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody 
who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every 
town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with 
getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out 
rather than seeking care.

Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying
US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not
much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open
up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese
weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a
field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!

__ __

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies,
eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need
to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff and first
responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening
with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are
now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that
facility.

__ __

__ __

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

__ __

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
enough patients

__ __

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
the end.

bp



__  __

On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
end.  Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.



On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing
primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity,
we have the best firepower and ammunition and training.
so i never understood why people on the right get very
nervous about these things. a lot like devout christians
worying about end times and rapture.



On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

This happened in Anniston Alabama


Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2020 10:09 AM

The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by localities 
refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place that refuses 
should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for anything.they 
have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines. 
There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago beyond 
patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody who tries to 
exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every town closes their 
highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with getting the hype up, the 
spread will be crazy from people fanning out rather than seeking care.
Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term “surge 
capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare industry 
has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, 
with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s 
looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  
The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a 
field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out! I did a quick Google 
search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of results were mostly 
studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals 
and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we 
need to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff and first responders 
so they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home 
in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution 
because they had been to that facility.  From: AF  On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu Chinas closing their first hospital they 
built since they dont have enough patients
 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 
before eating an old baguette!If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my 
COPD and hasten the end.bp On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken 
Hohhof wrote:
Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s dinner.  
Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only thing in 
their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times, 
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who cares about Spam 
and Vienna sausages. From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam 
Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
 You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part of 
you is rooting for it.Just a hypothesis. On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:
i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most of 
the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable of 
utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the 
best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood why people on 
the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like devout christians 
worying about end times and rapture.
 On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt right 
too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place 
at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.  Sent from my 
iPhone
 On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:
 On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it at 
home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know 
you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.   


--
Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:OK, maybe this is hysterical 
reporting (it’s from Washington Post after all), but sounds kind of science-y.

The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six 
weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this 
weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through 
community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with hundreds 
of infections likely in the state. 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart 

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Robert Andrews]

Then last week the Super Tanker hit the rocks, luckily (for now) it's 
double bottomed.   Let's hope it gets pulled off the rocks...


On 03/02/2020 02:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Probably better be thinking of invoking Lent a bit.  It is much nicer 
when we all stick to non political comments on this list.
But as a parting shot, the economy is like a huge freight train or a 
super tanker.  Slow to start, stop or turn.  Lots of inertia.  Who knows 
how many administrations worth of lag time there is in the results. We 
all have opinions.  One thing that unites us is that we all have enough 
ambition to create wealth.  That  sets this group apart from 98%* of the 
rest of humanity.

(* made up fact)
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 3:27 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
you dont think the business friendly environment created by the 
executive has anything to do with the markets? you dont think the 
regulation heavy, anti business environment of the prior executive had 
anything to do with the slow growth?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:11 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

I will say that we in the USA have a terrible habit of pinning the
economy on our politicians.  When things go up each party will take
credit, and when they go down each party will blame the other.

In reality the economy of the nation is driven mostly by the chaotic
stew of everyday decisions made by millions of consumers and
businesses.  The federal reserve can influence those decisions by
adjusting interest rates, and the the Executive & Legislative
branches can influence those decisions with some of their spending,
regulation, and tax policies.  The extent of that influence is
debatable, but I really don't believe it's as far reaching as people
seem to think.  Overall you bought a house because you needed a
place to live, and you bought a Cambium 450i because you needed one
of those too.  Did you really choose not to buy what you needed
because of a Trump tariff or an Obama tax? I doubt it.

I don't believe we live in a Trump economy or an Obama economy.  We
live in the American economy. If the president actually controls the
economy then we must live in the USSR. We should probably revolt
right now if that's the case.

-Adam

On 3/2/2020 4:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Steve, you need different media.



Or do you mean the plural of “medium” as in someone who connects
you to the spirit world?



Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.

Are they friendly spirits?

Friendly, just listen!



*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 3:34 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool



before the end of march it will clear 30, it will go as high ad 35
or 35 then correct to 29-31. The media nazis will blame every down
on the current executive and say the current executive owns the
market from here out, just like they did in the last dip. then
every upstroke will be the former executives win. dumb



On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM  wrote:

5.09%

Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to
continue to rise. 



*From:*Steve Jones 

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool



Theyre going too far now: 

Market Summary


> Dow Jones Industrial Average

INDEXDJX: .DJI

Follow

26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)



On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews
 wrote:

& that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market
fluctuations dont
> impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no 
matter
> what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett 
> > wrote:
> 
> The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you

> think will grow and succeed.  People 

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[chuck]

Every sawbuck.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:45 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Look at the positive influence Hamilton has had on the economy, and he wasn’t 
even a President!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 4:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

Probably better be thinking of invoking Lent a bit.  It is much nicer when we 
all stick to non political comments on this list.  

 

But as a parting shot, the economy is like a huge freight train or a super 
tanker.  Slow to start, stop or turn.  Lots of inertia.  Who knows how many 
administrations worth of lag time there is in the results.  We all have 
opinions.  One thing that unites us is that we all have enough ambition to 
create wealth.  That  sets this group apart from 98%* of the rest of humanity.  

 

(* made up fact) 

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:27 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

you dont think the business friendly environment created by the executive has 
anything to do with the markets? you dont think the regulation heavy, anti 
business environment of the prior executive had anything to do with the slow 
growth? 

 

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:11 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I will say that we in the USA have a terrible habit of pinning the economy on 
our politicians.  When things go up each party will take credit, and when they 
go down each party will blame the other.

  In reality the economy of the nation is driven mostly by the chaotic stew of 
everyday decisions made by millions of consumers and businesses.  The federal 
reserve can influence those decisions by adjusting interest rates, and the the 
Executive & Legislative branches can influence those decisions with some of 
their spending, regulation, and tax policies.  The extent of that influence is 
debatable, but I really don't believe it's as far reaching as people seem to 
think.  Overall you bought a house because you needed a place to live, and you 
bought a Cambium 450i because you needed one of those too.  Did you really 
choose not to buy what you needed because of a Trump tariff or an Obama tax? I 
doubt it. 

  I don't believe we live in a Trump economy or an Obama economy.  We live in 
the American economy. If the president actually controls the economy then we 
must live in the USSR.  We should probably revolt right now if that's the case.

  -Adam

   

   

  On 3/2/2020 4:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Steve, you need different media.

 

Or do you mean the plural of “medium” as in someone who connects you to the 
spirit world?

 

Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.

Are they friendly spirits?

Friendly, just listen!

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

before the end of march it will clear 30, it will go as high ad 35 or 35 
then correct to 29-31. The media nazis will blame every down on the current 
executive and say the current executive owns the market from here out, just 
like they did in the last dip. then every upstroke will be the former 
executives win. dumb

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM  wrote:

  5.09%

  Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue to 
rise.  

   

  From: Steve Jones 

  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

   

  Theyre going too far now: 

  Market Summary > Dow Jones Industrial Average

  INDEXDJX: .DJI

  Follow
  26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)  

   

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews  
wrote:

& that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations 
dont 
> impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no 
matter 
> what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> 
> The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
> think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
> price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market 
IMO.
> 
> also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
> 
> 
> On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Ken Hohhof]

Look at the positive influence Hamilton has had on the economy, and he wasn’t 
even a President!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 4:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

Probably better be thinking of invoking Lent a bit.  It is much nicer when we 
all stick to non political comments on this list.  

 

But as a parting shot, the economy is like a huge freight train or a super 
tanker.  Slow to start, stop or turn.  Lots of inertia.  Who knows how many 
administrations worth of lag time there is in the results.  We all have 
opinions.  One thing that unites us is that we all have enough ambition to 
create wealth.  That  sets this group apart from 98%* of the rest of humanity.  

 

(* made up fact) 

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:27 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

you dont think the business friendly environment created by the executive has 
anything to do with the markets? you dont think the regulation heavy, anti 
business environment of the prior executive had anything to do with the slow 
growth? 

 

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:11 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I will say that we in the USA have a terrible habit of pinning the economy on 
our politicians.  When things go up each party will take credit, and when they 
go down each party will blame the other.

In reality the economy of the nation is driven mostly by the chaotic stew of 
everyday decisions made by millions of consumers and businesses.  The federal 
reserve can influence those decisions by adjusting interest rates, and the the 
Executive & Legislative branches can influence those decisions with some of 
their spending, regulation, and tax policies.  The extent of that influence is 
debatable, but I really don't believe it's as far reaching as people seem to 
think.  Overall you bought a house because you needed a place to live, and you 
bought a Cambium 450i because you needed one of those too.  Did you really 
choose not to buy what you needed because of a Trump tariff or an Obama tax? I 
doubt it. 

I don't believe we live in a Trump economy or an Obama economy.  We live in the 
American economy. If the president actually controls the economy then we must 
live in the USSR.  We should probably revolt right now if that's the case.

-Adam

 

 

On 3/2/2020 4:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Steve, you need different media.

 

Or do you mean the plural of “medium” as in someone who connects you to the 
spirit world?

 

Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.

Are they friendly spirits?

Friendly, just listen!

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

before the end of march it will clear 30, it will go as high ad 35 or 35 then 
correct to 29-31. The media nazis will blame every down on the current 
executive and say the current executive owns the market from here out, just 
like they did in the last dip. then every upstroke will be the former 
executives win. dumb

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

5.09%

Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue to rise.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

Theyre going too far now: 

 

 Market Summary > Dow Jones Industrial Average

INDEXDJX: .DJI

Follow

26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)  

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

& that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont 
> impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter 
> what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett   
> > wrote:
> 
> The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
> think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
> price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.
> 
> also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
> 
> 
> On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
>> there was a month 

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[chuck]

Probably better be thinking of invoking Lent a bit.  It is much nicer when we 
all stick to non political comments on this list.  

But as a parting shot, the economy is like a huge freight train or a super 
tanker.  Slow to start, stop or turn.  Lots of inertia.  Who knows how many 
administrations worth of lag time there is in the results.  We all have 
opinions.  One thing that unites us is that we all have enough ambition to 
create wealth.  That  sets this group apart from 98%* of the rest of humanity.  

(* made up fact) 

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

you dont think the business friendly environment created by the executive has 
anything to do with the markets? you dont think the regulation heavy, anti 
business environment of the prior executive had anything to do with the slow 
growth? 


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:11 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I will say that we in the USA have a terrible habit of pinning the economy on 
our politicians.  When things go up each party will take credit, and when they 
go down each party will blame the other.

  In reality the economy of the nation is driven mostly by the chaotic stew of 
everyday decisions made by millions of consumers and businesses.  The federal 
reserve can influence those decisions by adjusting interest rates, and the the 
Executive & Legislative branches can influence those decisions with some of 
their spending, regulation, and tax policies.  The extent of that influence is 
debatable, but I really don't believe it's as far reaching as people seem to 
think.  Overall you bought a house because you needed a place to live, and you 
bought a Cambium 450i because you needed one of those too.  Did you really 
choose not to buy what you needed because of a Trump tariff or an Obama tax? I 
doubt it. 


  I don't believe we live in a Trump economy or an Obama economy.  We live in 
the American economy. If the president actually controls the economy then we 
must live in the USSR.  We should probably revolt right now if that's the case.

  -Adam





  On 3/2/2020 4:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Steve, you need different media.



Or do you mean the plural of “medium” as in someone who connects you to the 
spirit world?



Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.

Are they friendly spirits?

Friendly, just listen!



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool



before the end of march it will clear 30, it will go as high ad 35 or 35 
then correct to 29-31. The media nazis will blame every down on the current 
executive and say the current executive owns the market from here out, just 
like they did in the last dip. then every upstroke will be the former 
executives win. dumb



On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM  wrote:

  5.09%

  Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue to 
rise.  



  From: Steve Jones 

  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool



  Theyre going too far now: 

  Market Summary > Dow Jones Industrial Average

  INDEXDJX: .DJI

  Follow
  26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)  



  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews  
wrote:

& that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations 
dont 
> impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no 
matter 
> what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> 
> The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
> think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
> price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market 
IMO.
> 
> also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
> 
> 
> On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
>> there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
>> propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
>> market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
>> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
>> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
>> growth.
>>
>> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Steve Jones]

you dont think the business friendly environment created by the executive
has anything to do with the markets? you dont think the regulation heavy,
anti business environment of the prior executive had anything to do with
the slow growth?


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:11 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I will say that we in the USA have a terrible habit of pinning the economy
> on our politicians.  When things go up each party will take credit, and
> when they go down each party will blame the other.
>
> In reality the economy of the nation is driven mostly by the chaotic stew
> of everyday decisions made by millions of consumers and businesses.  The
> federal reserve can influence those decisions by adjusting interest rates,
> and the the Executive & Legislative branches can influence those decisions
> with some of their spending, regulation, and tax policies.  The extent of
> that influence is debatable, but I really don't believe it's as far
> reaching as people seem to think.  Overall you bought a house because you
> needed a place to live, and you bought a Cambium 450i because you needed
> one of those too.  Did you really choose not to buy what you needed because
> of a Trump tariff or an Obama tax? I doubt it.
> I don't believe we live in a Trump economy or an Obama economy.  We live
> in the American economy. If the president actually controls the economy
> then we must live in the USSR.  We should probably revolt right now if
> that's the case.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 4:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Steve, you need different media.
>
>
>
> Or do you mean the plural of “medium” as in someone who connects you to
> the spirit world?
>
>
>
> Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.
>
> Are they friendly spirits?
>
> Friendly, just listen!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 3:34 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
>
>
> before the end of march it will clear 30, it will go as high ad 35 or 35
> then correct to 29-31. The media nazis will blame every down on the current
> executive and say the current executive owns the market from here out, just
> like they did in the last dip. then every upstroke will be the former
> executives win. dumb
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM  wrote:
>
> 5.09%
>
> Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue to
> rise.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
>
>
> Theyre going too far now:
>
> Market Summary
> 
> > Dow Jones Industrial Average
>
> INDEXDJX: .DJI
>
> Follow
>
> 26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
> & that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...
>
> On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont
> > impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter
> > what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  >  >> wrote:
> >
> > The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
> > think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
> > price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.
> >
> > also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
> >
> >
> > On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
> >> there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
> >> propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
> >> market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
> >> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
> >> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
> >> growth.
> >>
> >> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>> So much money being made today
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
> >>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> >>> 
> >>> >
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
> >>> Remember, I said 700 today
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
> >>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
> >>> 
> >>>   

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[castarritt .]

I think the Executive's words can influence confidence in the economy.  I
want a successful salesman in that position, not someone with a "those jobs
are never coming back" attitude.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 4:11 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I will say that we in the USA have a terrible habit of pinning the economy
> on our politicians.  When things go up each party will take credit, and
> when they go down each party will blame the other.
>
> In reality the economy of the nation is driven mostly by the chaotic stew
> of everyday decisions made by millions of consumers and businesses.  The
> federal reserve can influence those decisions by adjusting interest rates,
> and the the Executive & Legislative branches can influence those decisions
> with some of their spending, regulation, and tax policies.  The extent of
> that influence is debatable, but I really don't believe it's as far
> reaching as people seem to think.  Overall you bought a house because you
> needed a place to live, and you bought a Cambium 450i because you needed
> one of those too.  Did you really choose not to buy what you needed because
> of a Trump tariff or an Obama tax? I doubt it.
> I don't believe we live in a Trump economy or an Obama economy.  We live
> in the American economy. If the president actually controls the economy
> then we must live in the USSR.  We should probably revolt right now if
> that's the case.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 4:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Steve, you need different media.
>
>
>
> Or do you mean the plural of “medium” as in someone who connects you to
> the spirit world?
>
>
>
> Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.
>
> Are they friendly spirits?
>
> Friendly, just listen!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 3:34 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
>
>
> before the end of march it will clear 30, it will go as high ad 35 or 35
> then correct to 29-31. The media nazis will blame every down on the current
> executive and say the current executive owns the market from here out, just
> like they did in the last dip. then every upstroke will be the former
> executives win. dumb
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM  wrote:
>
> 5.09%
>
> Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue to
> rise.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
>
>
> Theyre going too far now:
>
> Market Summary
> 
> > Dow Jones Industrial Average
>
> INDEXDJX: .DJI
>
> Follow
>
> 26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
> & that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...
>
> On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont
> > impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter
> > what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  >  >> wrote:
> >
> > The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
> > think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
> > price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.
> >
> > also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
> >
> >
> > On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
> >> there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
> >> propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
> >> market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
> >> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
> >> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
> >> growth.
> >>
> >> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>> So much money being made today
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
> >>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> >>> 
> >>> >
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
> >>> Remember, I said 700 today
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
> >>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
> >>> 
> >>> >
> wrote:
> >>>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Adam Moffett]

I will say that we in the USA have a terrible habit of pinning the 
economy on our politicians.  When things go up each party will take 
credit, and when they go down each party will blame the other.


In reality the economy of the nation is driven mostly by the chaotic 
stew of everyday decisions made by millions of consumers and 
businesses.  The federal reserve can influence those decisions by 
adjusting interest rates, and the the Executive & Legislative branches 
can influence those decisions with some of their spending, regulation, 
and tax policies.  The extent of that influence is debatable, but I 
really don't believe it's as far reaching as people seem to think.  
Overall you bought a house because you needed a place to live, and you 
bought a Cambium 450i because you needed one of those too.  Did you 
really choose not to buy what you needed because of a Trump tariff or an 
Obama tax? I doubt it.


I don't believe we live in a Trump economy or an Obama economy.  We live 
in the American economy. If the president actually controls the economy 
then we must live in the USSR.  We should probably revolt right now if 
that's the case.


-Adam



On 3/2/2020 4:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Steve, you need different media.

Or do you mean the plural of “medium” as in someone who connects you 
to the spirit world?


Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.

Are they friendly spirits?

Friendly, just listen!

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 3:34 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

before the end of march it will clear 30, it will go as high ad 35 or 
35 then correct to 29-31. The media nazis will blame every down on the 
current executive and say the current executive owns the market from 
here out, just like they did in the last dip. then every upstroke will 
be the former executives win. dumb


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM > wrote:


5.09%

Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue
to rise.

*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Theyre going too far now:

Market Summary


> Dow Jones Industrial Average

INDEXDJX: .DJI

Follow

26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

& that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market
fluctuations dont
> impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow,
no matter
> what the markets do. I should really become an investment
advisor
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com%20%0b>>
> wrote:
>
> The point of the stock market is to invest in a company
that you
> think will grow and succeed. People making money on day
to day
> price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of
the market IMO.
>
> also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Look at what happened to the market before the great
depression,
>> there was a month of up and downs while the market was
being
>> propped/played before the floor fell out.  
Historically the
>> market has always had a major crash withing the first
two decades
>> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market
making major
>> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more
than steady
>> growth.
>>
>> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> So much money being made today
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
>>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com

>
>>> 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
>>> Remember, I said 700 today
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
>>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Ken Hohhof]

Steve, you need different media.

 

Or do you mean the plural of “medium” as in someone who connects you to the 
spirit world?

 

Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.

Are they friendly spirits?

Friendly, just listen!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

before the end of march it will clear 30, it will go as high ad 35 or 35 then 
correct to 29-31. The media nazis will blame every down on the current 
executive and say the current executive owns the market from here out, just 
like they did in the last dip. then every upstroke will be the former 
executives win. dumb

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

5.09%

Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue to rise.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

Theyre going too far now: 

 

 Market Summary > Dow Jones Industrial Average

INDEXDJX: .DJI

Follow

26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)  

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

& that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont 
> impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter 
> what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett   
> > wrote:
> 
> The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
> think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
> price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.
> 
> also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
> 
> 
> On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
>> there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
>> propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
>> market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
>> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
>> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
>> growth.
>>
>> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> So much money being made today
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
>>> >>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
>>> Remember, I said 700 today
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
>>> >>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM >>  
>>> 
>>>  > wrote:
>>>
>>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
>>> suggest 4 months.
>>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the
>>> sky is
>>> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this
>>> correction.
>>> -- AF mailing list
>>> AF@af.afmug.com    
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>>
>>> -- AF mailing list
>>> AF@af.afmug.com    
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Josh Luthman]

There are a couple languages that specifically interact with web pages.
I've done it for a handful of things over the years - ubnt, powercode, etc

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:08 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to
> script it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of
> them manually.
>
> If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but
> it doesn't sound like it can.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most
>> definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip.
>> Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios.
>>
>> Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some
>> string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.
>>
>> Geeks should never have to manually do things.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> > here is the response i got:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Kurt,
>>> >
>>> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will
>>> > assist you with this case.
>>> >
>>> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs
>>> using
>>> > the cnMaestro.
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
>>> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
>>>
>>>
>>> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Steve Jones]

before the end of march it will clear 30, it will go as high ad 35 or 35
then correct to 29-31. The media nazis will blame every down on the current
executive and say the current executive owns the market from here out, just
like they did in the last dip. then every upstroke will be the former
executives win. dumb

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM  wrote:

> 5.09%
> Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue to
> rise.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
> Theyre going too far now:
> Market Summary
> 
> > Dow Jones Industrial Average
> INDEXDJX: .DJI
> Follow
> 26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> & that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...
>>
>> On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont
>> > impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter
>> > what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
>> > think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
>> > price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market
>> IMO.
>> >
>> > also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> >> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
>> >> there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
>> >> propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
>> >> market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
>> >> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
>> >> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
>> >> growth.
>> >>
>> >> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> >>> So much money being made today
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
>> >>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> >>> 
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
>> >>> Remember, I said 700 today
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
>> >>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> >>> 
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
>> >>> Jaime Solorza
>> >>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> >>> 915-861-1390
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM > >>> 
>> >>>  > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats
>> would
>> >>> suggest 4 months.
>> >>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the
>> >>> sky is
>> >>> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this
>> >>> correction.
>> >>> -- AF mailing list
>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com  
>> >>> 
>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>> >>>
>> >>> -- AF mailing list
>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com  
>> >>> 
>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> > --
>> > AF mailing list
>> > AF@af.afmug.com 
>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[chuck]

5.09%
Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue to rise.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Theyre going too far now: 
Market Summary > Dow Jones Industrial Average
INDEXDJX: .DJI
Follow26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)  


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:

  & that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...

  On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  > Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont 
  > impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter 
  > what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
  > 
  > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  > wrote:
  > 
  > The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
  > think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
  > price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.
  > 
  > also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
  > 
  > 
  > On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
  >> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
  >> there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
  >> propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
  >> market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
  >> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
  >> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
  >> growth.
  >>
  >> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  >>> So much money being made today
  >>>
  >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
  >>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  >>> 
  >>> > wrote:
  >>>
  >>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
  >>> Remember, I said 700 today
  >>>
  >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
  >>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
  >>> 
  >>> > wrote:
  >>>
  >>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
  >>> Jaime Solorza
  >>> Wireless Systems Architect
  >>> 915-861-1390
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM >> 
  >>>  > wrote:
  >>>
  >>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
  >>> suggest 4 months.
  >>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the
  >>> sky is
  >>> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Mark Radabaugh]

It’s actually really easy since it’s just a URL with the key in it.   Create 
and excel spreadsheet and click on 200links if  you have no other programming 
skills.

Mark

> On Mar 2, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Well, if that's the case, it should be fairly easy to script.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:17 PM Roland Houin  > wrote:
> It’s not done through the gui
> 
> It’s a simple url which includes the ip address of the sm
> 
>  
> 
> Roland
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:09 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade
> 
>  
> 
> Who says it cant?
> 
> I wonder if the key is stored in the config file
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mathew Howard  > wrote:
> 
> If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to script 
> it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of them 
> manually.
> 
>  
> 
> If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but it 
> doesn't sound like it can.
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones  > wrote:
> 
> One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most 
> definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip. 
> Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios. 
> 
>  
> 
> Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some 
> string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.
> 
>  
> 
> Geeks should never have to manually do things. 
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  > wrote:
> 
> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > here is the response i got:
> > 
> > Hi Kurt,
> > 
> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will 
> > assist you with this case.
> > 
> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using 
> > the cnMaestro.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the 
> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
> 
> 
> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[James Howard]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm

Interesting lines:

 Also, most people who die from flu-related complications are not tested for 
flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when influenza can no 
longer be detected from respiratory samples.

These are some of the reasons that CDC and other public health agencies in the 
United States and other countries use statistical and mathematical models to 
estimate the annual number of flu-related deaths.



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 2:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

the morbic curiousity in me would like those dead folks dug up and tested for 
kungflu just to see. But they normally are tested if they die

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Harold Bledsoe 
mailto:hbledso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I found this article quite 
illuminating about flu in Connecticut:

https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php

"10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT)
"2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this season"
"The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths this 
season to 58" (in CT)

That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting.

We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky healthy 
people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention to it unless 
you are at risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is available next year 
after this mania passes, less than half of folks will bother to get it (similar 
to flu vaccine).

I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As someone else mentioned 
earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the 1000 mile 
cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the only time 
anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We humans love us some drama!

Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for the 
flu, don’t you think?

I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”.

> On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett 
> mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you 
> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I 
> don't get it.
>
>
>> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Agreed.
>>
>> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke out 
>> in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>>
>> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... 
>> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to our 
>> nations, that are now infected.
>>
>> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix the 
>> issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other countries 
>> who would then be the route to the US?
>>
>> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, and 
>> hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the town.   
>> Work from home.
>>
>> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get bad 
>> before we do something?
>>
>> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has gone 
>> through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that horse 
>> has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all that 
>>> stuff.
>>>
 On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by localities 
 refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place that 
 refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for 
 anything.
 they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
 There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago 
 beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody 
 who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every town 
 closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with getting 
 the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out rather than 
 seeking care.
 Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof 
 mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
 >> wrote:

 Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
 the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If you look at the numbers from China nCOV seems to have a
  mortality rate of ~~ 3.4%. Based on comments from the CDC, they
  think the total infections in China is understated by a factor of
  2 to 5, which would put the mortality rate more in the
  neighborhood of .7% to 1.4%.
I still think the infected numbers in the US "should be" in the
  many hundreds, or more likely in the several thousands. 
Part of the problem is that there seems to be a huge number of
  people who are infected or at least carriers who don't show any
  symptoms. I would call this bad news that is probably more like
  good news.


bp



On 3/2/2020 1:03 PM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  The elderly are very vulnerable to flu death, which
seems to be the case with Covid-19 if you listen to the
CDC. A vast majority of deaths are with people suffering from
other respiratory issues. When I was serving on a hospital board
the census count had a line for Elderly repritory and it was
always about a third of people in the hospital at a minimum.
Sometimes, they were the only ones there in that small rural
hospital.
  
  
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM
  Harold Bledsoe  wrote:


  
I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I
  found this article quite illuminating about flu in
  Connecticut:
  
  
  https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php
  
  
  
  "10,286
  people have tested positive for the flu this season"
  (in CT)
  "2,230
  people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu
  this season"
  "The
  latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total
  of deaths this season to 58" (in CT)



That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was
  expecting.  


We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and
  other unlucky healthy people for quite a while so no one
  really pays that much attention to it unless you are at
  risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is available
  next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks
  will bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine).


I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As
  someone else mentioned earlier, it is like when a
  hurricane is coming and you are in the 1000 mile cone of
  uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the
  only time anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We
  humans love us some drama!


Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll
  probably be OK.


  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at
1:27 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:
  
  I never complained
about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for
the flu, don’t you think?

I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”. 

> On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett 
wrote:
> 
> Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand. 
It seems like you complain about a Draconian response in
China while advocating one here.  I don't get it.
> 
> 
>> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Agreed.
>> 
>> We should have shut down our borders 3 months
ago when this first broke out in China... immediately. 
No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>> 
>> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come
and go as they pleased... finally shutting down travel
to China, but continuing to allow travel to our nations,
that are now infected.
>> 
>> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel
to just China would fix the issue?  That folks in China
wouldn't contaminate folks in other countries who would
then be the route to the US?
>> 
>> We need to immediately quarantine every state,
if not town in the US, and hold that quarantine for

Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Ken Hohhof]

You simply have to browse to that special URL and it’s done, but I think you 
have to go through SM GUI authentication first.  But as far as the URL, once 
you activate the entitlement, the URL will be a clickable link in the Cambium 
activated entitlements page.  I would be more worried about missing a few than 
manually installing 200 keys.

 

I’m assuming once you install the keys, you can then do a mass change to the 
QoS settings via cnMaestro or SNMP?  If that had to be done manually, it would 
be more work than installing the keys.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 2:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

 

Well, if that's the case, it should be fairly easy to script.

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:17 PM Roland Houin mailto:rho...@fourway.net> > wrote:

It’s not done through the gui

It’s a simple url which includes the ip address of the sm

 

Roland

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

 

Who says it cant?

I wonder if the key is stored in the config file

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to script 
it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of them 
manually.

 

If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but it 
doesn't sound like it can.

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most 
definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip. Then 
the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios. 

 

Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some 
string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.

 

Geeks should never have to manually do things. 

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> here is the response i got:
> 
> Hi Kurt,
> 
> Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will 
> assist you with this case.
> 
> I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using 
> the cnMaestro.
> 
> Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the 
> cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.


So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

AGE
DEATH RATE
confirmed cases
DEATH RATE
all cases

80+ years old
21.9%
14.8%
70-79 years old
8.0%
60-69 years old
3.6%
50-59 years old
1.3%
40-49 years old
0.4%
30-39 years old
0.2%
20-29 years old
0.2%
10-19 years old
0.2%
0-9 years old
no fatalities

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:04 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> The elderly are very vulnerable to flu death, which seems to be the case
> with Covid-19 if you listen to the CDC. A vast majority of deaths are
> with people suffering from other respiratory issues. When I was serving on
> a hospital board the census count had a line for Elderly repritory and it
> was always about a third of people in the hospital at a minimum. Sometimes,
> they were the only ones there in that small rural hospital.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Harold Bledsoe 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I found this article quite
>> illuminating about flu in Connecticut:
>>
>>
>> https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php
>>
>> "10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT)
>> "2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this
>> season"
>> "The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths
>> this season to 58" (in CT)
>>
>> That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting.
>>
>> We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky
>> healthy people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention
>> to it unless you are at risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is
>> available next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks will
>> bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine).
>>
>> I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As someone else
>> mentioned earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the
>> 1000 mile cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the
>> only time anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We humans love us some
>> drama!
>>
>> Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for
>>> the flu, don’t you think?
>>>
>>> I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”.
>>>
>>> > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you
>>> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I
>>> don't get it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> >> Agreed.
>>> >>
>>> >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first
>>> broke out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>>> >>
>>> >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they
>>> pleased... finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow
>>> travel to our nations, that are now infected.
>>> >>
>>> >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would
>>> fix the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other
>>> countries who would then be the route to the US?
>>> >>
>>> >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US,
>>> and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the
>>> town.   Work from home.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to
>>> get bad before we do something?
>>> >>
>>> >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has
>>> gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that
>>> horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> >>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all
>>> that stuff.
>>> >>>
>>>  On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>  The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by
>>> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place
>>> that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for
>>> anything.
>>>  they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
>>>  There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like
>>> chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting
>>> anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity,
>>> every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with
>>> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out
>>> rather than seeking care.
>>>  Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
>>> 
>>>  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
>>>  the 

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[castarritt .]

You're getting ripped off bro.  Thanks to credit card companies, the one
dollar I put into debt yesterday is worth TWO dollars today!


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:14 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont
> impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter what
> the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you think
>> will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day price
>> fluctuations are really skimming money *out* of the market IMO.
>>
>> also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>
>> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression, there
>> was a month of up and downs while the market was being propped/played
>> before the floor fell out.   Historically the market has always had a major
>> crash withing the first two decades of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?
>> The market making major moves is where all the real money is made.  Way
>> more than steady growth.
>>
>> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> So much money being made today
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones >  > wrote:
>>
>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
>> Remember, I said 700 today
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM >  > wrote:
>>
>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
>> suggest 4 months.
>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is
>> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Lewis Bergman]

The elderly are very vulnerable to flu death, which seems to be the case
with Covid-19 if you listen to the CDC. A vast majority of deaths are with
people suffering from other respiratory issues. When I was serving on a
hospital board the census count had a line for Elderly repritory and it was
always about a third of people in the hospital at a minimum. Sometimes,
they were the only ones there in that small rural hospital.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Harold Bledsoe  wrote:

> I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I found this article quite
> illuminating about flu in Connecticut:
>
>
> https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php
>
> "10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT)
> "2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this season"
> "The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths
> this season to 58" (in CT)
>
> That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting.
>
> We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky
> healthy people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention
> to it unless you are at risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is
> available next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks will
> bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine).
>
> I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As someone else
> mentioned earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the
> 1000 mile cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the
> only time anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We humans love us some
> drama!
>
> Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for
>> the flu, don’t you think?
>>
>> I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”.
>>
>> > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> >
>> > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you
>> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I
>> don't get it.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> >> Agreed.
>> >>
>> >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first
>> broke out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>> >>
>> >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased...
>> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to
>> our nations, that are now infected.
>> >>
>> >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would
>> fix the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other
>> countries who would then be the route to the US?
>> >>
>> >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US,
>> and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the
>> town.   Work from home.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get
>> bad before we do something?
>> >>
>> >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has
>> gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that
>> horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all
>> that stuff.
>> >>>
>>  On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>  The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by
>> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place
>> that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for
>> anything.
>>  they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
>>  There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like
>> chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting
>> anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity,
>> every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with
>> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out
>> rather than seeking care.
>>  Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
>> 
>>  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof > af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
>>  the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
>>  saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
>>  way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
>>  there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking
>> at
>>  ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks
>> happen. The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Steve Jones]

Theyre going too far now:
Market Summary

 > Dow Jones Industrial Average
INDEXDJX: .DJI
Follow
26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> & that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...
>
> On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont
> > impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter
> > what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  > > wrote:
> >
> > The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
> > think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
> > price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.
> >
> > also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
> >
> >
> > On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
> >> there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
> >> propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
> >> market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
> >> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
> >> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
> >> growth.
> >>
> >> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>> So much money being made today
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
> >>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> >>> 
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
> >>> Remember, I said 700 today
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
> >>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> >>> 
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
> >>> Jaime Solorza
> >>> Wireless Systems Architect
> >>> 915-861-1390
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM  >>> 
> >>>  > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
> >>> suggest 4 months.
> >>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the
> >>> sky is
> >>> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this
> >>> correction.
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> >>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

the morbic curiousity in me would like those dead folks dug up and tested
for kungflu just to see. But they normally are tested if they die

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Harold Bledsoe  wrote:

> I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I found this article quite
> illuminating about flu in Connecticut:
>
>
> https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php
>
> "10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT)
> "2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this season"
> "The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths
> this season to 58" (in CT)
>
> That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting.
>
> We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky
> healthy people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention
> to it unless you are at risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is
> available next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks will
> bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine).
>
> I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As someone else
> mentioned earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the
> 1000 mile cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the
> only time anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We humans love us some
> drama!
>
> Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for
>> the flu, don’t you think?
>>
>> I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”.
>>
>> > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> >
>> > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you
>> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I
>> don't get it.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> >> Agreed.
>> >>
>> >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first
>> broke out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>> >>
>> >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased...
>> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to
>> our nations, that are now infected.
>> >>
>> >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would
>> fix the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other
>> countries who would then be the route to the US?
>> >>
>> >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US,
>> and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the
>> town.   Work from home.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get
>> bad before we do something?
>> >>
>> >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has
>> gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that
>> horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all
>> that stuff.
>> >>>
>>  On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>  The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by
>> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place
>> that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for
>> anything.
>>  they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
>>  There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like
>> chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting
>> anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity,
>> every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with
>> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out
>> rather than seeking care.
>>  Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
>> 
>>  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof > af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
>>  the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
>>  saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
>>  way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
>>  there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking
>> at
>>  ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks
>> happen. The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to
>> quickly
>>  creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
>> out!
>> 
>>  I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
>>  first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
>>  hurricane is worse 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Harold Bledsoe]

I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I found this article quite
illuminating about flu in Connecticut:

https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php

"10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT)
"2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this season"
"The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths this
season to 58" (in CT)

That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting.

We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky
healthy people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention
to it unless you are at risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is
available next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks will
bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine).

I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As someone else
mentioned earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the
1000 mile cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the
only time anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We humans love us some
drama!

Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for
> the flu, don’t you think?
>
> I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”.
>
> > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >
> > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you
> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I
> don't get it.
> >
> >
> >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> Agreed.
> >>
> >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke
> out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
> >>
> >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased...
> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to
> our nations, that are now infected.
> >>
> >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix
> the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other
> countries who would then be the route to the US?
> >>
> >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US,
> and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the
> town.   Work from home.
> >>
> >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get
> bad before we do something?
> >>
> >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has
> gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that
> horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all
> that stuff.
> >>>
>  On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>  The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by
> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place
> that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for
> anything.
>  they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
>  There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like
> chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting
> anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity,
> every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with
> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out
> rather than seeking care.
>  Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
> 
>  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> 
>  Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
>  the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
>  saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
>  way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
>  there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
>  ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.
>The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly
>  creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
> out!
> 
>  I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
>  first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
>  hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
>  pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
>  suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
>  staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
>  to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, 

Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Mathew Howard]

Well, if that's the case, it should be fairly easy to script.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:17 PM Roland Houin  wrote:

> It’s not done through the gui
>
> It’s a simple url which includes the ip address of the sm
>
>
>
> Roland
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 3:09 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade
>
>
>
> Who says it cant?
>
> I wonder if the key is stored in the config file
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to
> script it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of
> them manually.
>
>
>
> If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but
> it doesn't sound like it can.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most
> definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip.
> Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios.
>
>
>
> Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some
> string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.
>
>
>
> Geeks should never have to manually do things.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > here is the response i got:
> >
> > Hi Kurt,
> >
> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will
> > assist you with this case.
> >
> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using
> > the cnMaestro.
> >
> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
>
>
> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
>
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[AFMUG] SIAE Open House @ WISPAmerica

[Joseph.Schraml]

Headed to the WISPAmerica show in Dallas the week of March 16th?

 

SIAE Microelettronica recently expanded into our new, larger facility in 
Irving, TX and is hosting an Open House on Monday, March 16th from 3pm – 7pm. 
You’re cordially invited to our Open House to meet our team, socialize with 
peers, tour the facility and let us show you the SIAE difference.

 

Please come enjoy snacks, beverages and see how we're making a difference in 
today's crowded microwave backhaul world.

 

Where:

SIAE Microelettronica, Inc. North American Headquarters Facility

725 N. Royal Lane, Suite 300, DFW Airport, TX 75261

+1 (469) 262-2247

 

Map:

Click here for directions from the Sheraton Hotel: 
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When:

Monday, March 16, 2020, 3pm – 7pm Central

 

RSVP:

Click here to RSVP: https://forms.gle/xUEbJAu9UH8hXMfa8

 

We look forward to seeing you there!





Thanks,

 



 

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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[chuck]

So Siri works for Cambium now?

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

here is the response i got:

Hi Kurt,

Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will assist you 
with this case.

I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using the 
cnMaestro.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the 
cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.

We encourage you to post this in the ideas section of the cnMaestro. Our 
engineering team is a part of the community and may consider to include it in 
the future releases of cnMaestro.
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/idb-p/Ideas

Please let us know if there is anything else that we can assist you with.

Regards,

Sri Mani
Technical Engineer
Cambium Networks Global Support

I work Monday-Friday

US Central- 08:30 AM to 04:30 PM


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:13 AM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  i just submitted a ticket through support with cambium, we will see what they 
come back with

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:04 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

You still have to activate the entitlements by serial number, don’t you?



If you enter the IP address when activating the entitlement, Cambium gives 
you a link and just clicking on the link (from an on-network PC) will install 
the key.  So I’m thinking the activation is more work than the installation.  
Unless you’ve found a way to mass activate entitlements.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade



don't want it to be flexible, i, just talking a standard permanent key 
upgrade for the 450 SM's, i don't want to have to manually upgrade over 200 of 
them if i dont have too



On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  Is that something that the flexible licensing does or is it just for the 
Lite APs?







  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's 
that are connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need to 
take from 20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them all.

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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Roland Houin]

It’s not done through the gui

It’s a simple url which includes the ip address of the sm

 

Roland

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

 

Who says it cant?

I wonder if the key is stored in the config file

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to script 
it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of them 
manually.

 

If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but it 
doesn't sound like it can.

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most 
definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip. Then 
the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios. 

 

Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some 
string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.

 

Geeks should never have to manually do things. 

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> here is the response i got:
> 
> Hi Kurt,
> 
> Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will 
> assist you with this case.
> 
> I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using 
> the cnMaestro.
> 
> Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the 
> cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.


So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.

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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Steve Jones]

Who says it cant?
I wonder if the key is stored in the config file

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to
> script it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of
> them manually.
>
> If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but
> it doesn't sound like it can.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most
>> definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip.
>> Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios.
>>
>> Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some
>> string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.
>>
>> Geeks should never have to manually do things.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> > here is the response i got:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Kurt,
>>> >
>>> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will
>>> > assist you with this case.
>>> >
>>> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs
>>> using
>>> > the cnMaestro.
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
>>> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
>>>
>>>
>>> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Mathew Howard]

If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to
script it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of
them manually.

If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but
it doesn't sound like it can.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most
> definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip.
> Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios.
>
> Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some
> string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.
>
> Geeks should never have to manually do things.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> > here is the response i got:
>> >
>> > Hi Kurt,
>> >
>> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will
>> > assist you with this case.
>> >
>> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs
>> using
>> > the cnMaestro.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
>> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
>>
>>
>> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Steve Jones]

One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most
definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip.
Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios.

Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some
string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.

Geeks should never have to manually do things.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > here is the response i got:
> >
> > Hi Kurt,
> >
> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will
> > assist you with this case.
> >
> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using
> > the cnMaestro.
> >
> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
>
>
> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

here is the response i got:

Hi Kurt,

Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will 
assist you with this case.


I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using 
the cnMaestro.


Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the 
cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Matt Hoppes]

There is a lot of bad information flying around here. 

An N95 or N100 mask absolutely will protect you from the virus IF WORN 
CORRECTLY. 

The majority of America won’t. 

For it to work properly:
It must be 100% air tight. When you exhale you should not feel air moving out 
the sides. 

There should be no facial hair. It should be tight around your nose. For best 
results run duct tape between the mask and your face. 

Additionally, air tight goggles are helpful depending on your situation. 

And of course, when removing the mask it must be removed without contamination 
of the face and the hands must then be decontaminated. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Matt Hoppes]

I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for the 
flu, don’t you think?

I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”. 

> On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you 
> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I 
> don't get it.
> 
> 
>> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Agreed.
>> 
>> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke out 
>> in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>> 
>> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... 
>> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to our 
>> nations, that are now infected.
>> 
>> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix the 
>> issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other countries 
>> who would then be the route to the US?
>> 
>> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, and 
>> hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the town.   
>> Work from home.
>> 
>> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get bad 
>> before we do something?
>> 
>> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has gone 
>> through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that horse 
>> has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all that 
>>> stuff.
>>> 
 On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by localities 
 refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place that 
 refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for 
 anything.
 they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
 There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago 
 beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody 
 who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every town 
 closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with getting 
 the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out rather than 
 seeking care.
 Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
 
 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof >>> > wrote:
 
 Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
 the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
 saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
 way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
 there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
 ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. 
 The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly
 creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
 
 I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
 first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
 hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
 pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
 suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
 staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
 to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 
 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they
 had been to that facility.
 
 *From:* AF >>> > *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
 
 Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
 have enough patients
 
 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince >>> > wrote:
 
 Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
 from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
 
 If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and
 hasten the end.
 
 bp
 
 
 
 
 On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 
 Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
 for tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
 baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
 cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
 times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch 

Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Kurt Fankhauser]

here is the response i got:

Hi Kurt,

Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will assist
you with this case.

I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using
the cnMaestro.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.

We encourage you to post this in the ideas section of the cnMaestro. Our
engineering team is a part of the community and may consider to include it
in the future releases of cnMaestro.
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/idb-p/Ideas

Please let us know if there is anything else that we can assist you with.

Regards,

Sri Mani
Technical Engineer
Cambium Networks Global Support

I work Monday-Friday

US Central- 08:30 AM to 04:30 PM

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:13 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> i just submitted a ticket through support with cambium, we will see what
> they come back with
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:04 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> You still have to activate the entitlements by serial number, don’t you?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you enter the IP address when activating the entitlement, Cambium
>> gives you a link and just clicking on the link (from an on-network PC) will
>> install the key.  So I’m thinking the activation is more work than the
>> installation.  Unless you’ve found a way to mass activate entitlements.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:50 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> don't want it to be flexible, i, just talking a standard permanent key
>> upgrade for the 450 SM's, i don't want to have to manually upgrade over 200
>> of them if i dont have too
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is that something that the flexible licensing does or is it just for the
>> Lite APs?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's that
>> are connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need to
>> take from 20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them
>> all.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

the masks at the door are not n95

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:13 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> This whole mask thing sometimes gets me.   So if I buy a case of N95
> masks from Home Depot, that would affect the purchase of masks for a
> hospital?   Hospitals are buying the same quality masks as Home Depot is
> selling?   The suppliers aren't making the same masks for Home Depot and
> are not prioritizing Home Depot masks over Hospital masks.  Maybe that's
> the throw away masks that they are handing people who walk in the door,
> but if people are buying those at Home Depot before they get to the
> hospital, that would be worse?
>
>
>
> On 03/02/2020 10:51 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> > FEMA has a ton of resources ready for emergencies and they circulate
> > their stock.  The medical system does not.   Because its made up of a
> > lot of independent hospitals bent on profit.  So the CDC or some other
> > federal agency needs to fit the bill and have non perishable stuff in
> > stock.  If something like this ever hit the US they will be unprepared
> > supply wise.  Most of the stuff isn't even made here so by the time they
> > refit plants to produce it may be too late.
> >
> > I mean hell they ordered those millions and millions of rounds of
> > ammunition (including hollow points) during the Obama admin.  Sounds
> > like one agency thinks ahead!
> >
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> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> >
> > 
> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> > *To: *"af" 
> > *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 1:07:55 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at
> > all times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let
> > alone cycle it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney  > > wrote:
> >
> > No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared!
> >
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> >
> >
>  
> > *From: *"Steve Jones"  > >
> > *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> > *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont
> > work. Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger
> > percentage of the population, half the people you see in them have a
> > gap by their noses, which means theyre trapping the virus inside the
> > mask. and if youre not going to shave, dont even bother. Same reason
> > firemen have mustaches and not beards
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney  > > wrote:
> >
> > Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.
> >
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> >
> >
>  
> > *From: *"Steve Jones"  > >
> > *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> > *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > I think this topic has \lent
> > but anybody watching this:
> > Market Summary
> > <
> https://www.google.com/search?q=finance=1C1CHBF_enUS887US887=dow+jo=chrome.0.35i39j69i57j0l6.3975j0j4=chrome=UTF-8=H4sIAOPQeMSozC3w8sc9YSmpSWtOXmMU4RJyy8xLzEtO9UnMS8nMSw9ITE_lAQCCiJIYKA=fin=X=2ahUKEwiQmZTAovznAhUTCjQIHfucDiAQ6M8CMAB6BAhAEAI=ALeKk02NB20xnoAVtEGZ3O3rXmLIN6CAsA:1583168566404>
> >
> > Dow Jones Industrial Average
> > INDEXDJX: .DJI
> > Follow
> > 26,178.22+768.86 (3.03%)
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM  > > wrote:
> >
> > It does seem like it would please some of them.
> > But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
> > *From:* Adam Moffett
> > *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left"
> > wants a tragic outcome.
> >
> > On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >
> > Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to
> > know what it would actually take to contain 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

This whole mask thing sometimes gets me.   So if I buy a case of N95 
masks from Home Depot, that would affect the purchase of masks for a 
hospital?   Hospitals are buying the same quality masks as Home Depot is 
selling?   The suppliers aren't making the same masks for Home Depot and 
are not prioritizing Home Depot masks over Hospital masks.  Maybe that's 
the throw away masks that they are handing people who walk in the door, 
but if people are buying those at Home Depot before they get to the 
hospital, that would be worse?




On 03/02/2020 10:51 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
FEMA has a ton of resources ready for emergencies and they circulate 
their stock.  The medical system does not.   Because its made up of a 
lot of independent hospitals bent on profit.  So the CDC or some other 
federal agency needs to fit the bill and have non perishable stuff in 
stock.  If something like this ever hit the US they will be unprepared 
supply wise.  Most of the stuff isn't even made here so by the time they 
refit plants to produce it may be too late.


I mean hell they ordered those millions and millions of rounds of 
ammunition (including hollow points) during the Obama admin.  Sounds 
like one agency thinks ahead!


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Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
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(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 1:07:55 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at 
all times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let 
alone cycle it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney > wrote:


No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared!

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*From: *"Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont
work. Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger
percentage of the population, half the people you see in them have a
gap by their noses, which means theyre trapping the virus inside the
mask. and if youre not going to shave, dont even bother. Same reason
firemen have mustaches and not beards

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:

Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.

-- 
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(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

I think this topic has \lent
but anybody watching this:
Market Summary


 >
Dow Jones Industrial Average
INDEXDJX: .DJI
Follow
26,178.22+768.86 (3.03%)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

It does seem like it would please some of them.
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left"
wants a tragic outcome.

On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to
know what it would actually take to contain it if the
hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major
urban area like chicago? just politely ask them to stay?
A quarantine is a nothing in nothing out, literally the
entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a
quarantine have the choice?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[chuck]

“Helicopter fly by” must be a euphemism...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

when i was a kid, my sisters friends would definitely agree about that. i liked 
to do helicopter fly bys

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:54 PM  wrote:

  Yeah, he is our own private Lewis CK.

  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:13 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

  Reacting with outrage to something Steve says is why he says it.Don’t 
take him, or yourself too seriously.  Or me either for that matter. 

  Mark



On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carl Peterson  
wrote:

It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic outcome, 
ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your extremist right wing BS 
off this list. 

"If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.  

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it 
would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
  how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like 
chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing 
out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a 
quarantine have the choice?

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and 
pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.  It 
doesn't belong here.  

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me 
if this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having 
people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 

  If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the 
current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep 
seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues 
decimate.

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Brilliant!



Maybe send them via cruise ship.





From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for 
zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s 
hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where 
outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to 
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With 
the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to 
be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.





From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients



On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  
wrote:

  Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from 
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

  If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten 
the end.

bp On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for 
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the 
only thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are 
the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who 
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



From: AF 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

when i was a kid, my sisters friends would definitely agree about that. i
liked to do helicopter fly bys

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:54 PM  wrote:

> Yeah, he is our own private Lewis CK.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 11:13 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> Reacting with outrage to something Steve says is why he says it.Don’t
> take him, or yourself too seriously.  Or me either for that matter.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic
> outcome, ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your extremist
> right wing BS off this list.
>
> "If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current
> executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
>> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
>> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
>> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
>> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
>> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>>> It doesn't belong here.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
 this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
 people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.

 If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
 current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
 rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
 plagues decimate.

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Brilliant!
>
>
>
> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
> term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
> for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
> Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
> where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
> approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
> for a bug out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is
> worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
> capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get
> quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in
> Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution
> because they had been to that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
> enough patients
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
> end.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  
> Who
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[chuck]

Yeah, he is our own private Lewis CK.

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Reacting with outrage to something Steve says is why he says it.Don’t take 
him, or yourself too seriously.  Or me either for that matter. 

Mark



  On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carl Peterson  wrote:

  It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic outcome, 
ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your extremist right wing BS 
off this list. 

  "If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.  

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like 
chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing 
out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a 
quarantine have the choice?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and 
pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.  It 
doesn't belong here.  

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if 
this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people 
going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 

If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the 
current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep 
seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues 
decimate.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Brilliant!



  Maybe send them via cruise ship.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



  We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.  



  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



  Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for 
zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s 
hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where 
outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to 
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!



  I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With 
the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to 
be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



  Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients



  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from 
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten 
the end.

bp On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for 
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the 
only thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are 
the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who 
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



  You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  
Some part of you is rooting for it.

  Just a hypothesis.



  On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steven Kenney]

FEMA has a ton of resources ready for emergencies and they circulate their 
stock. The medical system does not. Because its made up of a lot of independent 
hospitals bent on profit. So the CDC or some other federal agency needs to fit 
the bill and have non perishable stuff in stock. If something like this ever 
hit the US they will be unprepared supply wise. Most of the stuff isn't even 
made here so by the time they refit plants to produce it may be too late. 

I mean hell they ordered those millions and millions of rounds of ammunition 
(including hollow points) during the Obama admin. Sounds like one agency thinks 
ahead! 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:07:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at all 
times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let alone cycle 
it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared! 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
[ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones" < [ mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work. Thats 
an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the population, 
half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses, which means theyre 
trapping the virus inside the mask. and if youre not going to shave, dont even 
bother. Same reason firemen have mustaches and not beards 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic. 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
[ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones" < [ mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

I think this topic has \lent 
but anybody watching this: 
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On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM < [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] 
> wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

It does seem like it would please some of them. 
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right? 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 


Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic outcome. 



On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like chicago? 
just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing out, 
literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a quarantine 
have the choice? 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson < [ 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com | cpeter...@portnetworks.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS! It is insulting and pretty 
disgusting. Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list. It doesn't 
belong here. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones < [ 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if this is 
as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people going 
door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats 
since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | 
af...@kwisp.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Brilliant! 



Maybe send them via cruise 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

On a more scientific note:

Forget most of the Newspaper stuff, this is the big boys & girls talking 
seriously about what to expect.  I wouldn't think anyone here has more 
expertise in any of this stuff that these guys, so if you feel like 
arguing against this, "talk to the hand"


http://centerforhealthsecurity.org/cbn/ John Hopkins med chiming in!

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Reacting with outrage to something Steve says is why he says it.   
  Don’t take him, or yourself too seriously.  Or me either for that matter.


Mark


On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carl Peterson > wrote:


It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic 
outcome, ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your 
extremist right wing BS off this list.


"If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the 
current executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones > wrote:


Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what
it would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a
team Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area
like chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a
nothing in nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you
fine with letting people in a quarantine have the choice?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>
wrote:

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is
insulting and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on
some right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census?
Seems to me if this is as infectious as the media would
like you to believe that having people going door to door
in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.

If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame
on the current executive, they may have to accept the
consequence, less house of rep seats since they get their
seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Brilliant!

__ __

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

__ __

__ __

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

__ __

We could just send anyone with this bug to China. 
Problem solved. 




*From:*Ken Hohhof 

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first
time I heard the term “surge capacity” applied to
hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result
that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope
somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities
in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t
stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating
a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
out!



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge
capacity” and the first page of results were mostly
studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because
it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need
to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff
and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
appears to be happening with that nursing home in
Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now
quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
that facility.





*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I like this advice. Don't be an
effing idiot.

bp



On 3/2/2020 9:51 AM, Robert Andrews
  wrote:

We
  can now add the CDC to the FAA in no progress until the body count
  is high enough, the difference will be the size of the body count.
  
  
  On 03/02/2020 09:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
  
  Surgeon General tells people not to buy
masks.


Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world
doesn't have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such
an event?  What the heck?


-- 
Steven Kenney

Network Operations Manager

WaveDirect Telecommunications

http://www.wavedirect.net

(519)737-WAVE (9283)




*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 

*To: *"af" 

*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was
saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking
at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks
happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and
the first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland,
Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution
because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones

*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM

*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
have enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:


    Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
from

    COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!


    If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and
hasten the

    end.


    bp


    


  
    On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


    Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
for

    tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old

    baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is

    cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
times,

    they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. 
Who

    cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.


    *From:* AF 

     *On Behalf Of
*Adam Moffett

    *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM

    *To:* af@af.afmug.com 

    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


    You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
preparation.     Some part of you is rooting for it.


    Just a hypothesis.


    On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:


    i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be
the most

    prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
minded. we

    tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
tools and

    food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the
best

    firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
understood

    why people on the right get very nervous about these
things.

    a lot like devout christians worying about end times

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Robert Andrews]

& that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont 
impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter 
what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.

also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?


On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
growth.

On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

So much money being made today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>

> wrote:

26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
Remember, I said 700 today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>

> wrote:

You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
 > wrote:

How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
suggest 4 months.
But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the
sky is
falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this
correction.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Mark Radabaugh]

Reacting with outrage to something Steve says is why he says it.Don’t take 
him, or yourself too seriously.  Or me either for that matter.

Mark


> On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic outcome, 
> ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your extremist right wing 
> BS off this list.
> 
> "If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
> executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones  > wrote:
> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
> actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like 
> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing 
> out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a 
> quarantine have the choice?
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson  > wrote:
> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and 
> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.  It 
> doesn't belong here.  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones  > wrote:
> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if this 
> is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people 
> going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
> 
> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
> executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats 
> since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> Brilliant!
> 
>  
> 
> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
>  
> 
> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved. 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Ken Hohhof
> 
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
> 
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
>  
> 
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term 
> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare 
> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero 
> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope 
> somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where 
> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to 
> quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
> 
>  
> 
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page 
> of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because 
> it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the 
> coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
> hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to 
> be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
> are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
>  
> 
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough 
> patients
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  > wrote:
> 
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 
> before eating an old baguette!
> 
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> 
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s 
> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only 
> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the 
> end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who cares 
> about Spam and Vienna sausages.
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  On 
> Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
>  
> 
> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part of 
> you is rooting for it.
> 
> Just a 

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Steve Jones]

Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont
impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter what
the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you think
> will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day price
> fluctuations are really skimming money *out* of the market IMO.
>
> also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression, there was
> a month of up and downs while the market was being propped/played before
> the floor fell out.   Historically the market has always had a major crash
> withing the first two decades of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The
> market making major moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more
> than steady growth.
>
> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> So much money being made today
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones   > wrote:
>
> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
> Remember, I said 700 today
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM   > wrote:
>
> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
> suggest 4 months.
> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is
> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at all
times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let alone
cycle it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared!
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work.
> Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the
> population, half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses,
> which means theyre trapping the virus inside the mask. and if youre not
> going to shave, dont even bother. Same reason firemen have mustaches and
> not beards
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney 
> wrote:
>
>> Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>> I think this topic has \lent
>> but anybody watching this:
>> Market Summary
>> 
>>  > Dow Jones Industrial Average
>> INDEXDJX: .DJI
>> Follow
>> 26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%)
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> It does seem like it would please some of them.
>>> But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic
>>> outcome.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
>>> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
>>> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
>>> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
>>> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
>>> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
 Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
 pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
 It doesn't belong here.

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>
> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
> current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
> rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
> plagues decimate.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Brilliant!
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
>> term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
>> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
>> aim
>> for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
>> capacity.
>> Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
>> where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
>> approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
>> for a bug out!
>>
>>
>>
>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

I don't consider myself "left" and I'm not "right" and I won't be smug 
if the admin f's this up.   I'll feel threatened and more inclined not 
to trust the admin to get other stuff right.


On 03/02/2020 09:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'd imagine "the left" suspects the chief executive will fail to 
organize a proper response.  They would probably feel smug if they're 
proven right.  I haven't seen such expectations from "the left", but I 
can certainly imagine what they look like.


Meanwhile "the right" nurses zombie apocalypse fantasies. They'll save 
the country by shooting all the infected or something.


Steve has now convinced me to buy more ammo.  Not because I'm worried 
about the horde of people fleeing a quarantine, but I am now worried 
about how I'd face a group of vigilante Steves.




On 3/2/2020 11:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It does seem like it would please some of them.
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic 
outcome.


On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it 
would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team 
Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area 
like chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a 
nothing in nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine 
with letting people in a quarantine have the choice?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:


Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is
insulting and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some
right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones
 wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems
to me if this is as infectious as the media would like you to
believe that having people going door to door in communities
wouldnt be such a great idea.
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on
the current executive, they may have to accept the
consequence, less house of rep seats since they get their
seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

Brilliant!

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

We could just send anyone with this bug to China. 
Problem solved.


*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I
heard the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital
beds.  Person was saying US healthcare industry has made
hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open
up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH. 
Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity”
and the first page of results were mostly studies after
Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it closes down
hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so
they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening with
that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because
they had been to that facility.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they
dont have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince
 wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would
rather die from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD
and hasten the end.

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to prevent 
you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in public.  If 
you want to get the R0  (R naught) below two and get ahead of this you 
_must_ stop people from passing.Part of the reason not to touch is 
also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a pretty 
good body of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic 
and 1-2 days on everything else.  YES UV helps but this is a much 
tougher little bugger than the common flu..


On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if you 
ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't 
really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.



bp


On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have 
a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What 
the heck?


--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t 
stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field 
hospital. Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane 
is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating 
capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard 
against is infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so 
they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing 
home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as 
a precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
the end.

bp



  


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have
the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
understood why people on the right get very nervous about
these things. a lot like devout christians worying about
end times and rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
guys.  He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex
Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place
at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get
us all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

panic->prudence  Were you planning on going?

On 03/02/2020 09:20 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.

--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

I think this topic has \lent
but anybody watching this:
Market Summary 
 > 
Dow Jones Industrial Average

INDEXDJX: .DJI
Follow
26,178.22+768.86 (3.03%)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM > wrote:


It does seem like it would please some of them.
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a
tragic outcome.

On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know
what it would actually take to contain it if the hype were true?
Pick a team Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban
area like chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine
is a nothing in nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are
you fine with letting people in a quarantine have the choice?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson
 wrote:

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is
insulting and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on
some right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones
 wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census?
Seems to me if this is as infectious as the media would
like you to believe that having people going door to
door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to
blame on the current executive, they may have to accept
the consequence, less house of rep seats since they get
their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues
decimate.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof
 wrote:

Brilliant!

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

We could just send anyone with this bug to China. 
Problem solved.


*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first
time I heard the term “surge capacity” applied to
hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result
that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope
somebody’s looking at ways to open up more
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of
MASH.  Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge
capacity” and the first page of results were mostly
studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because
it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we
need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
staff and first responders so they get quarantined.
This appears to be happening with that nursing home
in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now
quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
that 

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Adam Moffett]

The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you think 
will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day price 
fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.


also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?


On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Look at what happened to the market before the great depression, there 
was a month of up and downs while the market was being propped/played 
before the floor fell out.   Historically the market has always had a 
major crash withing the first two decades of each century 
1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major moves is where all the 
real money is made.  Way more than steady growth.


On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

So much money being made today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
    Remember, I said 700 today

    On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
    mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


    You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
    Jaime Solorza
    Wireless Systems Architect
    915-861-1390


    On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
    suggest 4 months.
    But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is
    falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

We can now add the CDC to the FAA in no progress until the body count is 
high enough, the difference will be the size of the body count.


On 03/02/2020 09:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 
6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the heck?


--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term 
“surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid 
with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  
Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first 
page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  
With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is 
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get 
quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in 
Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a 
precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
end.

bp



  


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. 
Some part of you is rooting for it.


Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most
prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we
tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal tools and
food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the best
firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
why people on the right get very nervous about these things.
a lot like devout christians worying about end times and
rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. 
He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I

have never seen them both at the same place at the same
time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave
here.  Can't do it at home, wife just rolls eyes and
tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know you
are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.


--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com 

--

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:



OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from
Washington Post after all), but sounds kind of

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

This country is based upon making the most profit with the least 
investment.   Stockpiling is reserved for subsidies for farmers and 
other voting blocs


On 03/02/2020 09:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 
6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the heck?


--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term 
“surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid 
with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  
Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first 
page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  
With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is 
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get 
quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in 
Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a 
precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
end.

bp



  


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. 
Some part of you is rooting for it.


Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most
prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we
tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal tools and
food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the best
firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
why people on the right get very nervous about these things.
a lot like devout christians worying about end times and
rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. 
He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I

have never seen them both at the same place at the same
time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave
here.  Can't do it at home, wife just rolls eyes and
tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know you
are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.


--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com 

--

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:



OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from
Washington Post after all), but sounds 

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Robert Andrews]

Look at what happened to the market before the great depression, there 
was a month of up and downs while the market was being propped/played 
before the floor fell out.   Historically the market has always had a 
major crash withing the first two decades of each century 
1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major moves is where all the 
real money is made.  Way more than steady growth.


On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

So much money being made today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones > wrote:


26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
Remember, I said 700 today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
suggest 4 months.
But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is
falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

Um, we brought them back into here with the virus while the CDC was 
speculating about the parameters of the disease.  Now it could have been 
to examine the disease first hand in a gen-pop but it didn't sound that 
well done, with unprotected people in contact with the exposed.  Now it 
just sounds like grandstanding with the population.   The interesting 
part is we still don't really have a handle on all the aspects of this.




On 03/02/2020 08:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Agreed.

We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke 
out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.


Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... 
finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to 
our nations, that are now infected.


How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix 
the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other 
countries who would then be the route to the US?


We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, 
and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the 
town.   Work from home.


Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get 
bad before we do something?


Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has 
gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after 
that horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get 
through.




On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all 
that stuff.


On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by 
localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any 
place that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal 
funding for anything.

they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like 
chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and 
shooting anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it 
gets boogity, every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media 
has their way with getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from 
people fanning out rather than seeking care.

Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was
saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. 
The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly

creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 
25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they

had been to that facility.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and
hasten the end.

bp




On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
for tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If you're wanting to bail, it might help to know a country.

  Can you
  name a country? Any country?
  


bp



On 3/2/2020 9:35 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  I'd imagine "the left" suspects the chief executive will fail
to organize a proper response.  They would probably feel smug if
they're proven right.  I haven't seen such expectations from
"the left", but I can certainly imagine what they look like.
  
  Meanwhile "the right" nurses zombie apocalypse fantasies. 
They'll save the country by shooting all the infected or
something.
  Steve has now convinced me to buy more ammo.  Not because I'm
worried about the horde of people fleeing a quarantine, but I am
now worried about how I'd face a group of vigilante Steves.
  
  
  
  
  
  On 3/2/2020 11:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  
  


  
It does seem like it would please some of them.  
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?

  
 

  From: Adam
  Moffett 
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

  
   


  Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left"
wants a tragic outcome.  
  
   
  On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve
Jones wrote:
  
  
Its extremist to not buy into the hype,
  its extremist to know what it would actually take to
  contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
  how would you stop people from flooding out of a
major urban area like chicago? just politely ask
them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing
out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine
with letting people in a quarantine have the choice?

 

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020
at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:
  
  

  Jesus Christ Steve, could you
please drop this BS!  It is insulting and pretty
disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some
right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here. 
  
   
  
On Mon, Mar 2,
  2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  a serious question, are they
going to delay the census? Seems to me if
this is as infectious as the media would
like you to believe that having people going
door to door in communities wouldnt be such
a great idea.
 
If the left gets what they want, a
  tragic outcome to blame on the current
  executive, they may have to accept the
  consequence, less house of rep seats since
  they get their seats from cities, and
  cities is what plagues decimate.
  
   
  
On Mon,
  Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:


  

  Brilliant!
   
  Maybe send them
via cruise ship.
   
   
  

  From:
AF 
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 2,
2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group 
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

i.e. when martial law works.   This is with _total_ quarantine.   Key 
cards that go to the police department computers for access to 
buildings.  NO ONE on streets without masks gloves and goggles.  What 
chance is there to implement that in our country of rabid independantism..




On 03/02/2020 08:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Looks to me like things are already on the mend in China.
If these were graphs of people disconnecting from your network due to 
being unhappy with your service you would be encouraged.

image
image
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:08 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Brilliant!

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term 
“surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid 
with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  
Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first 
page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  
With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is 
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get 
quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in 
Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a 
precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
end.

bp



On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. 
Some part of you is rooting for it.


Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most
prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we
tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal tools and
food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the best
firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
why people on the right get very nervous about these things.
a lot like devout christians worying about end times and
rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
 wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. 
He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I

have never seen them both at the same place at the same
time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
Technologies  wrote:

 On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and
rave here.  Can't do it at home, wife just rolls
eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So,
Thank You.


--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Mathew Howard]

MUM Europe was cancelled, it looks like USA and Mexico are still scheduled
for mid-April.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> I think this topic has \lent
> but anybody watching this:
> Market Summary
> 
>  > Dow Jones Industrial Average
> INDEXDJX: .DJI
> Follow
> 26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%)
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM  wrote:
>
>> It does seem like it would please some of them.
>> But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>> Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic
>> outcome.
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
>> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
>> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
>> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
>> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
>> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>>> It doesn't belong here.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
 this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
 people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.

 If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
 current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
 rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
 plagues decimate.

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Brilliant!
>
>
>
> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
> term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
> for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
> Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
> where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
> approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
> for a bug out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is
> worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
> capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get
> quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in
> Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution
> because they had been to that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
> enough patients
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>
> If I smoke another cigarette, I 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steven Kenney]

No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared! 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work. Thats 
an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the population, 
half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses, which means theyre 
trapping the virus inside the mask. and if youre not going to shave, dont even 
bother. Same reason firemen have mustaches and not beards 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic. 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
[ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones" < [ mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

I think this topic has \lent 
but anybody watching this: 
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On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM < [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] 
> wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

It does seem like it would please some of them. 
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right? 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 


Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic outcome. 



On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like chicago? 
just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing out, 
literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a quarantine 
have the choice? 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson < [ 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com | cpeter...@portnetworks.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS! It is insulting and pretty 
disgusting. Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list. It doesn't 
belong here. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones < [ 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if this is 
as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people going 
door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats 
since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | 
af...@kwisp.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Brilliant! 



Maybe send them via cruise ship. 






From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 





We could just send anyone with this bug to China. Problem solved. 





From: Ken Hohhof 


Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM 


To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 





Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the term “surge 
capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US healthcare industry 
has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, 
with the result that there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s 
looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The 
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field 
hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out! 



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of 
results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it 
closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the 
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Mathew Howard]

Which is another reason to tell people not to buy masks... if healthy
people are buying up all the masks, which are doing them little or not
good, and there aren't any left for the people that are infected to wear,
that isn't exactly ideal.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if you
> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't
> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>
> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>
> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 6
> month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the heck?
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof"  
> *To: *"af"  
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
> out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
> that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough
> patients
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19
> before eating an old baguette!
>
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part
> of you is rooting for it.
>
> Just a hypothesis.
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most
> of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable
> of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we
> have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
> why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like
> devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
> On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it at
> home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
>
> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after
> all), but sounds kind of science-y.
>
> The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six
> weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this
> weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Adam Moffett]

I'd imagine "the left" suspects the chief executive will fail to 
organize a proper response.  They would probably feel smug if they're 
proven right.  I haven't seen such expectations from "the left", but I 
can certainly imagine what they look like.


Meanwhile "the right" nurses zombie apocalypse fantasies. They'll save 
the country by shooting all the infected or something.


Steve has now convinced me to buy more ammo.  Not because I'm worried 
about the horde of people fleeing a quarantine, but I am now worried 
about how I'd face a group of vigilante Steves.




On 3/2/2020 11:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It does seem like it would please some of them.
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic 
outcome.


On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it 
would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team 
Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area 
like chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a 
nothing in nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine 
with letting people in a quarantine have the choice?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:


Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is
insulting and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some
right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones
 wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems
to me if this is as infectious as the media would like you to
believe that having people going door to door in communities
wouldnt be such a great idea.
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on
the current executive, they may have to accept the
consequence, less house of rep seats since they get their
seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

Brilliant!

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

We could just send anyone with this bug to China. 
Problem solved.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I
heard the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital
beds.  Person was saying US healthcare industry has made
hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open
up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH. 
Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity”
and the first page of results were mostly studies after
Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it closes down
hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so
they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening with
that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because
they had been to that facility.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they
dont have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince
 wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would
rather die from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD
and hasten the end.

bp



On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even
stock food for tonight’s dinner. Because who
wants to 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If someone infect near you is coughing and not covering some way
  (with a mask or coughing into your sleeve), the droplets can
  transfer to you through your tear ducts (eyes). I don't think
  there's enough information to quantify how many virus particles
  you need to be in danger.

bp



On 3/2/2020 9:30 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


  
  Thats something I always wondered about, the high
incidence of healthcare infections over there. If youre
continually being exposed to the virus, does that keep your
viral load higher?
  
  
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:28
  AM Bill Prince  wrote:


  
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH,
  they say if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask.
  The idea is that masks don't really keep the virus out,
  but they can help in keeping the virus in.


bp



On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:


  
 
Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.  


Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the
  world doesn't have a 6 month supply of masks in
  storage ready for such an event?  What the heck?


-- 
  Steven Kenney
  Network Operations Manager
  WaveDirect Telecommunications
  http://www.wavedirect.net
  (519)737-WAVE (9283)



From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu




  
Maybe they can send it to us. 
  Today for the first time I heard the term “surge
  capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was
  saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals
  efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty
  beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
  capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways
  to open up more facilities in areas where
  outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with
  their modular approach to quickly creating a field
  hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
  out!
 
I did a quick Google search for
  “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of
  results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
  hurricane is worse because it closes down
  hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. 
  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to
  guard against is infecting all the hospital staff
  and first responders so they get quarantined. 
  This appears to be happening with that nursing
  home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are
  now quarantined as a precaution because they had
  been to that facility.
 
 
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
 

  Chinas closing their first
hospital they built since they dont have enough
patients

 

  
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42
  AM Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I
would rather die from COVID-19 before eating
an old baguette!
  If I smoke another cigarette, I can
aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
  bp
  
   
  
On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM,
  Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Thats something I always wondered about, the high incidence of healthcare
infections over there. If youre continually being exposed to the virus,
does that keep your viral load higher?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if you
> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't
> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>
> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>
> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 6
> month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the heck?
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof"  
> *To: *"af"  
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
> out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
> that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough
> patients
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19
> before eating an old baguette!
>
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part
> of you is rooting for it.
>
> Just a hypothesis.
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most
> of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable
> of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we
> have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
> why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like
> devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
> On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it at
> home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
>
> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after
> all), but sounds kind of science-y.
>
> The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six
> weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this
> weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through
> community transmission and that this has been going on for 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say
  if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that
  masks don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in
  keeping the virus in.


bp



On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney
  wrote:


  
  

  
Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.  


Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world
  doesn't have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for
  such an event?  What the heck?


-- 
  Steven Kenney
  Network Operations Manager
  WaveDirect Telecommunications
  http://www.wavedirect.net
  (519)737-WAVE (9283)



From: "Ken Hohhof"
  
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu




  
Maybe they can send it to us.  Today
  for the first time I heard the term “surge capacity”
  applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
  industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
  airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
  there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s
  looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
  outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their
  modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital. 
  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
 
I did a quick Google search for
  “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of results
  were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
  because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies,
  eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect
  we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
  staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
  appears to be happening with that nursing home in
  Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined
  as a precaution because they had been to that facility.
 
 
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Steve
  Jones
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
 

  Chinas closing their first hospital
they built since they dont have enough patients

 

  
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill
  Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would
rather die from COVID-19 before eating an old
baguette!
  If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my
COPD and hasten the end.
  bp
  
   
  
On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:
  
  

  Well, the French are screwed,
they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their
pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if
these are the end times, they have cigarettes
and wine while they watch the end.  Who cares
about Spam and Vienna sausages.
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

  
   
  You need the disaster to occur to justify all
your preparation.  Some part of you is rooting
for it.
  Just a hypothesis.
   
  
On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve
  Jones wrote:
  
  

  i never understood it, on
the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work.
Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the
population, half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses,
which means theyre trapping the virus inside the mask. and if youre not
going to shave, dont even bother. Same reason firemen have mustaches and
not beards

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> I think this topic has \lent
> but anybody watching this:
> Market Summary
> 
>  > Dow Jones Industrial Average
> INDEXDJX: .DJI
> Follow
> 26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%)
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM  wrote:
>
>> It does seem like it would please some of them.
>> But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>> Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic
>> outcome.
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
>> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
>> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
>> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
>> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
>> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>>> It doesn't belong here.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
 this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
 people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.

 If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
 current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
 rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
 plagues decimate.

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Brilliant!
>
>
>
> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
> term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
> for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
> Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
> where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
> approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
> for a bug out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is
> worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
> capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get
> quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in
> Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution
> because they had been to that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steven Kenney]

Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic. 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

I think this topic has \lent 
but anybody watching this: 
[ 
https://www.google.com/search?q=finance=1C1CHBF_enUS887US887=dow+jo=chrome.0.35i39j69i57j0l6.3975j0j4=chrome=UTF-8=H4sIAOPQeMSozC3w8sc9YSmpSWtOXmMU4RJyy8xLzEtO9UnMS8nMSw9ITE_lAQCCiJIYKA=fin=X=2ahUKEwiQmZTAovznAhUTCjQIHfucDiAQ6M8CMAB6BAhAEAI=ALeKk02NB20xnoAVtEGZ3O3rXmLIN6CAsA:1583168566404
 | Market Summary ] > Dow Jones Industrial Average 
INDEXDJX: .DJI 
Follow 
26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%) 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM < [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] 
> wrote: 



It does seem like it would please some of them. 
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right? 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 


Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic outcome. 



On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like chicago? 
just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing out, 
literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a quarantine 
have the choice? 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS! It is insulting and pretty 
disgusting. Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list. It doesn't 
belong here. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones  wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if this is 
as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people going 
door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats 
since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Brilliant! 



Maybe send them via cruise ship. 






From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 





We could just send anyone with this bug to China. Problem solved. 





From: Ken Hohhof 


Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM 


To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 





Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the term “surge 
capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US healthcare industry 
has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, 
with the result that there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s 
looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The 
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field 
hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out! 



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of 
results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it 
closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the 
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This appears to be 
happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters are 
now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility. 





From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 




Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough 
patients 





On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 
before eating an old baguette! 

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end. 
bp 
 


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s dinner. 
Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes. Probably the only thing in their 
pantry is cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end times, they 
have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. Who cares about Spam and 
Vienna sausages. 




From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 




You need the disaster 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steven Kenney]

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks. 

Uhh hello? The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 6 month 
supply of masks in storage ready for such an event? What the heck? 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 



Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the term “surge 
capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US healthcare industry 
has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, 
with the result that there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s 
looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The 
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field 
hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out! 



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of 
results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it 
closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the 
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This appears to be 
happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters are 
now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility. 





From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 




Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough 
patients 





On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince < [ mailto:part15...@gmail.com | 
part15...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 





Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 
before eating an old baguette! 

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end. 
bp 
 


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s dinner. 
Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes. Probably the only thing in their 
pantry is cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end times, they 
have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. Who cares about Spam and 
Vienna sausages. 




From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com |  ] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 




You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. Some part of 
you is rooting for it. 

Just a hypothesis. 




On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most of 
the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable of 
utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the 
best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood why people on 
the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like devout christians 
worying about end times and rapture. 





On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown < [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | 
ch...@wbmfg.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. He is very alt right 
too. He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place at 
the same time. He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all. 


Sent from my iPhone 



BQ_BEGIN


On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies < [ 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com | m...@mailmt.com ] > wrote: 



BQ_BEGIN



On a side note. Thanks for letting me rant and rave here. Can't do it at home, 
wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. Chuck, I know you are 
saving me a few $ in therapy. So, Thank You. 


-- 
Best regards, 
Mark [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com | mailto:m...@mailmt.com ] 

Myakka Technologies, Inc. 
[ http://www.myakka.com/ | www.Myakka.com ] 

-- 

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:   

OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after all), 
but sounds kind of science-y. 

The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six 
weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this 
weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through 
community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with hundreds 
of infections likely in the state. 


From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing. I have not seen news reports 
anything close to “we are all 

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Steve Jones]

So much money being made today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> 26,070.31 +660.95 (2.60%)
> Remember, I said 700 today
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would suggest 4
>>> months.
>>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is falling
>>> thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
>>> --
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>>>
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>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

I think this topic has \lent

but anybody watching this:
Market Summary

 > Dow Jones Industrial Average
INDEXDJX: .DJI
Follow
26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM  wrote:

> It does seem like it would please some of them.
> But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
> Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic
> outcome.
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>> It doesn't belong here.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
>>> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
>>> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>>>
>>> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
>>> current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
>>> rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
>>> plagues decimate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Brilliant!



 Maybe send them via cruise ship.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.



 *From:* Ken Hohhof

 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
 term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
 healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
 for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
 Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
 where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
 approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
 for a bug out!



 I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
 page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
 because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
 With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
 all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
 appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
 that facility.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
 enough patients



 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

 Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
 COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

 If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
 end.

 bp

 



 On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
 dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
 thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
 the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
 cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



 *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Its obvious they want an outcome they can use against the executive. Theyre
not known for looking before they leap.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:56 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic
> outcome.
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>> It doesn't belong here.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
>>> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
>>> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>>>
>>> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
>>> current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
>>> rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
>>> plagues decimate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Brilliant!



 Maybe send them via cruise ship.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.



 *From:* Ken Hohhof

 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
 term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
 healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
 for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
 Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
 where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
 approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
 for a bug out!



 I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
 page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
 because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
 With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
 all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
 appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
 that facility.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
 enough patients



 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

 Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
 COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

 If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
 end.

 bp

 



 On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
 dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
 thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
 the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
 cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



 *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
 Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some
 part of you is rooting for it.

 Just a hypothesis.



 On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

 i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
 most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most
 capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
 boogity, we have the best firepower and 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[chuck]

It does seem like it would please some of them.  
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic outcome. 
 




On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
  how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like 
chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing 
out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a 
quarantine have the choice?

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and 
pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.  It 
doesn't belong here.  

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if 
this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people 
going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 

  If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats 
since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Brilliant!



Maybe send them via cruise ship.





From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for 
zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s 
hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where 
outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to 
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first 
page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With 
the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to 
be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.





From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients



On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from 
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

  If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the 
end.

bp On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for 
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the 
only thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are 
the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who 
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  
Some part of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.



On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most 
prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the 
most capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes 
boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never 
understood why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot 
like devout christians worying about end times and rapture.



  On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Carl Peterson]

It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic outcome,
ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your extremist right wing
BS off this list.

"If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current
executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>> It doesn't belong here.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
>>> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
>>> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>>>
>>> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
>>> current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
>>> rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
>>> plagues decimate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Brilliant!



 Maybe send them via cruise ship.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.



 *From:* Ken Hohhof

 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
 term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
 healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
 for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
 Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
 where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
 approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
 for a bug out!



 I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
 page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
 because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
 With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
 all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
 appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
 that facility.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
 enough patients



 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

 Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
 COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

 If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
 end.

 bp

 



 On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
 dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
 thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
 the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
 cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



 *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
 Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some
 part of you is rooting for it.

 Just a hypothesis.



 On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

 i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
 most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most
 capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Adam Moffett]

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic 
outcome.



On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it 
would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team 
Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like 
chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in 
nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting 
people in a quarantine have the choice?


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is
insulting and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some
right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems
to me if this is as infectious as the media would like you to
believe that having people going door to door in communities
wouldnt be such a great idea.

If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on
the current executive, they may have to accept the
consequence, less house of rep seats since they get their
seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Brilliant!

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem
solved.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I
heard the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. 
Person was saying US healthcare industry has made
hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open
up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH. 
Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity”
and the first page of results were mostly studies after
Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because it closes down
hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so
they get quarantined. This appears to be happening with
that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been
to that facility.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they
dont have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would
rather die from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD
and hasten the end.

bp



On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even
stock food for tonight’s dinner.  Because who
wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the
only thing in their pantry is cigarettes and
wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
end.  Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On
Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Calm and rational response was to utilize the identified facilities. now
the communities are saying they cant be used, not in our town (out of
california no less, rotflmao) not very welcoming. These systems have been
in play for decades.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:20 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all that
> stuff.
> On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by localities
> refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place that
> refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for
> anything.
> they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
> There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago
> beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody who
> tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every town
> closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with getting the
> hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out rather than
> seeking care.
> Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
>> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
>> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
>> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
>> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
>> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
>> out!
>>
>>
>>
>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
>> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
>> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
>> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
>> that facility.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
>> enough patients
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>>
>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
>> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
>> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
>> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some
>> part of you is rooting for it.
>>
>> Just a hypothesis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
>> most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most
>> capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
>> boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
>> understood why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a
>> lot like devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
>> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
>> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it
>> at home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
>> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after
>> all), 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
people in a quarantine have the choice?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
> It doesn't belong here.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
>> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
>> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>>
>> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current
>> executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats
>> since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Brilliant!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
>>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
>>> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
>>> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
>>> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
>>> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
>>> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
>>> out!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
>>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
>>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
>>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
>>> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
>>> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
>>> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
>>> that facility.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
>>> enough patients
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
>>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>>>
>>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
>>> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
>>> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
>>> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
>>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some
>>> part of you is rooting for it.
>>>
>>> Just a hypothesis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
>>> most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most
>>> capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
>>> boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
>>> understood why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a
>>> lot like devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
>>> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
>>> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu 

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Steve Jones]

26,070.31 +660.95 (2.60%)
Remember, I said 700 today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM  wrote:
>
>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would suggest 4
>> months.
>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is falling
>> thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Jaime Solorza]

trying to remember which comedian said on a talk show, " in the end, its
all the little nasties that will do us in.".  Like European invaders did to
our indigenous nations 
karma is a bitch
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 4:53 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> There are only a few things we know for sure.
>
> 1. It is already in the US
> 2. More people in the US will get it
> 3. More people in the US will die.
>
> Anything other than this is pure speculation at this point.  We don't know
> anything about this virus.  Most everything I hear or read about this virus
> starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE".  But if you
> bother to listen or read the article, it always has "may" or "some
> experts".  The current official incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey
> lets just report 14 days and base all our models on this and report it as
> the most likely scenario.  We don't know how long it lives on surfaces.  We
> don't know how it reacts to UV light.  We don't know how it will do in
> warm/humid conditions.
>
> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),  This virus has been in the
> states before the first reported case.  People have had it and recovered
> thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed is going to get it.  Not
> everyone who gets it is going to need to be hospitalized.  Not everyone who
> gets hospitalized will die.
>
> The media once again is doing us a huge dis-service. They are hyping this
> thing  way out of proportion.  Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every can of
> Lysol or Lysol type of product was gone.  Every package of disinfectant
> wipes were gone.  Every bottle of any sized hand sanitizer, gone.  Crazy.
> The closest reported "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away.  God forbid we
> get a reported case in Florida, what will happen then?  Going to start
> burning and looting?
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or any podcasts or blogs. I
> do pay attention to as much scientifically-based information I can find
> though.
> This is a pretty good synopsis on our current knowledge without any spin:
>
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> Nazis are socialists.  Bernie is a socialist.  Therefore Bernie is a
> Nazi.  So the Internet says.
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>
> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... russia is
> in asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the running too
> Weve said too much
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically
> designed to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are asians.
> Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a
> majority of the population so they can initiate another run at global
> domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, carols husband
> Brad told her that he heard that this is what brexit was all about. Germany
> and Great Britian are forming an alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there
> is a shadow government of guess what... Nazis.
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > I'm waiting for Godwin...
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
> >> "conspiracy".
> >>
> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
> >> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim
> >> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch
> >> onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they
> >> won't let go of them.
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I
> >> mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)
> >>
> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
> >>
> >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or
> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all
> >> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time
> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Adam Moffett]

Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you 
complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  
I don't get it.



On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Agreed.

We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first 
broke out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.


Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... 
finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel 
to our nations, that are now infected.


How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would 
fix the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in 
other countries who would then be the route to the US?


We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, 
and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the 
town.   Work from home.


Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get 
bad before we do something?


Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has 
gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after 
that horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get 
through.




On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all 
that stuff.


On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by 
localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. 
Any place that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of 
federal funding for anything.

they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like 
chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and 
shooting anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it 
gets boogity, every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the 
media has their way with getting the hype up, the spread will be 
crazy from people fanning out rather than seeking care.

Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


    Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
    the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
    saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
    way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
    there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
    ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. 
    The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly
    creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug 
out!


    I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
    first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
    hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
    pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
    suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
    staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
    to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 
    25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they

    had been to that facility.

    *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
    *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

    Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
    have enough patients

    On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
    from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

    If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and
    hasten the end.

    bp

    


    On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

    Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
    for tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
    baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
    cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
    times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
    end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

    *From:* AF 
     *On Behalf Of *Adam 
Moffett

    *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

    You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
    preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

    Just a hypothesis.

    On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

    i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
    most prepared.