Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

[Craig House]

Seems
Like it might be a bit much for my needs.  Do you have any pics of it ?  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 20:58, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> If you want, we can pull it off the truck. Not sure it still works. You 
> can have it for the cost of the freight.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:56 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
> 
> I just loaded a hydraulic adjustable one on a truck that is going to RB
> auctions in SLC...
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Craig House
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:25 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
> 
> Cant I'm already pulling a gooseneck with towers sections loaded. Most of
> the time I just need it for a 24-30" reel. Occasionally I need it for a 5'
> spool but rarely
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 8:23:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
> 
> For stuff that large I go with a reel trailer.
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Craig House
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:03 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations
> 
> Shopping for a reel stand online and I find way more options than I
> expected. Primarily used for guy wire spools with 5000' so weight is
> 400-500 lbs. I would like to be able to use them for the occasional 5'
> spool of 7/8" coax for two way work and for basically anything in between.
> I've used the traditional cable screw jack stand type in the past with no
> problem and I have also used a ladder and pipe in a pinch. Does anyone have
> a preferred type of cable spool stand that they feel is worth
> recommendation? Primary use would be for 24 - 30" spools of guy wire
> though.
> '
> Craig
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Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

[chuck]

If you want, we can pull it off the truck.  Not sure it still works.  You 
can have it for the cost of the freight.


-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

I just loaded a hydraulic adjustable one on a truck that is going to RB
auctions in SLC...

-Original Message- 
From: Craig House

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

Cant I'm already pulling a gooseneck with towers sections loaded.  Most of
the time I just need it for a 24-30" reel.  Occasionally I need it for a 5'
spool but rarely

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 8:23:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

For stuff that large I go with a reel trailer.

-Original Message- 
From: Craig House

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

Shopping for a reel stand online and I find way more options than I
expected.  Primarily used for guy wire spools with 5000' so weight is
400-500 lbs.  I would like to be able to use them for the occasional 5'
spool of 7/8" coax for two way work and for basically anything in between.
I've used the traditional cable screw jack stand type in the past with no
problem and I have also used a ladder and pipe in a pinch.  Does anyone have
a preferred type of cable spool stand that they feel is worth
recommendation?  Primary use would be for 24 - 30" spools of guy wire
though.
'
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Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

[chuck]

I just loaded a hydraulic adjustable one on a truck that is going to RB 
auctions in SLC...


-Original Message- 
From: Craig House

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

Cant I'm already pulling a gooseneck with towers sections loaded.  Most of 
the time I just need it for a 24-30" reel.  Occasionally I need it for a 5' 
spool but rarely


- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 8:23:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

For stuff that large I go with a reel trailer.

-Original Message- 
From: Craig House

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

Shopping for a reel stand online and I find way more options than I
expected.  Primarily used for guy wire spools with 5000' so weight is
400-500 lbs.  I would like to be able to use them for the occasional 5'
spool of 7/8" coax for two way work and for basically anything in between.
I've used the traditional cable screw jack stand type in the past with no
problem and I have also used a ladder and pipe in a pinch.  Does anyone have
a preferred type of cable spool stand that they feel is worth
recommendation?  Primary use would be for 24 - 30" spools of guy wire
though.
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Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

[Craig House]

Cant I'm already pulling a gooseneck with towers sections loaded.  Most of the 
time I just need it for a 24-30" reel.  Occasionally I need it for a 5' spool 
but rarely

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 8:23:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

For stuff that large I go with a reel trailer.

-Original Message- 
From: Craig House
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

Shopping for a reel stand online and I find way more options than I 
expected.  Primarily used for guy wire spools with 5000' so weight is 
400-500 lbs.  I would like to be able to use them for the occasional 5' 
spool of 7/8" coax for two way work and for basically anything in between. 
I've used the traditional cable screw jack stand type in the past with no 
problem and I have also used a ladder and pipe in a pinch.  Does anyone have 
a preferred type of cable spool stand that they feel is worth 
recommendation?  Primary use would be for 24 - 30" spools of guy wire 
though.
'
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Re: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

[chuck]

For stuff that large I go with a reel trailer.

-Original Message- 
From: Craig House

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

Shopping for a reel stand online and I find way more options than I 
expected.  Primarily used for guy wire spools with 5000' so weight is 
400-500 lbs.  I would like to be able to use them for the occasional 5' 
spool of 7/8" coax for two way work and for basically anything in between. 
I've used the traditional cable screw jack stand type in the past with no 
problem and I have also used a ladder and pipe in a pinch.  Does anyone have 
a preferred type of cable spool stand that they feel is worth 
recommendation?  Primary use would be for 24 - 30" spools of guy wire 
though.

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Re: [AFMUG] OTDR noob

[chuck]

First, just shoot the launch cable with nothing on the far end and make sure 
you can see it and the length is approximately correct.
I would choose 20 ns or longer pulses.  Perhaps 10 seconds of averaging time.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 6:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OTDR noob

just got my first otdr, been trying to shoot the only fiber I have which is 4ct 
flat drop about 50ft. No luck so far, figured out I needed a launch cable which 
I now have (500m) but still can't see the mechanical connector / reflection / 
loss of the flat drop after the launch cable, I'm guessing it's a reflection 
that is blinding the OTDR and if my flat drop was 200ft I would be able to see 
the connection between the launch and the cable under test? I guess this is 
what a launch cable on the far end is for 

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[AFMUG] Reel stand recommendations

[Craig House]

Shopping for a reel stand online and I find way more options than I expected.  
Primarily used for guy wire spools with 5000' so weight is 400-500 lbs.  I 
would like to be able to use them for the occasional 5' spool of 7/8" coax for 
two way work and for basically anything in between.  I've used the traditional 
cable screw jack stand type in the past with no problem and I have also used a 
ladder and pipe in a pinch.  Does anyone have a preferred type of cable spool 
stand that they feel is worth recommendation?  Primary use would be for 24 - 
30" spools of guy wire though.
'
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[AFMUG] OTDR noob

[TJ Trout]

just got my first otdr, been trying to shoot the only fiber I have which is
4ct flat drop about 50ft. No luck so far, figured out I needed a launch
cable which I now have (500m) but still can't see the mechanical connector
/ reflection / loss of the flat drop after the launch cable, I'm guessing
it's a reflection that is blinding the OTDR and if my flat drop was 200ft I
would be able to see the connection between the launch and the cable under
test? I guess this is what a launch cable on the far end is for

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Jaime Solorza]

You are much kinder...I call the top politicians on this response
completely inept.  You can't frickin tweet this away.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 5:46 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I just watched the news conference on the TV.
>
> IMHO, VP Pence and the medical experts did a decent job, except when Pence
> had to engage in ritual sucking up to his boss.
>
> But it seems like the adults are mostly in charge and hopefully will do
> the right things going forward regarding the virus response.
>
> It doesn’t seem like Pence is throwing roadblocks in the way of the
> experts or censoring them for political gain.
>
> The first few weeks, I don’t think that was true.
>
> As far as efforts to boost the stock market, well, good luck with that.
>
> Note sure a payroll tax cut will help people who get furloughed, or gig
> workers who can’t work.
>
> Best thing for the stock market is probably an effective plan for virus
> mitigation and control.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Robert
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 6:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> tl:dr,  WHO did a pretty good job characterizing it in China...
>
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/?utm_source=share_medium=mweb=IwAR200tfVJTj399ew-ebr4m9hNnrJ4XUt37ga6b-lPQyRsbIWndMS3PMMjsw&_branch_match_id=745183492132993440
>
> On 3/9/20 2:48 PM, James Howard wrote:
>
> That’s why we need a one world government.  Efficiency should be able to
> be improved to the point they can engineer a new pandemic every 6 months
> then.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 3:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> I dont think you read my statement. The reason we have some new "pandemic"
> every 2 or so years is thats about how long it takes for the government to
> engineer the new virus
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:55 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> I'm not. Anthony Fauci stated that they can get a vaccine prototyped in a
> few months, but it would take at least a year, and maybe up to two before
> it could be administered to the general public. By that time, we will be on
> the great-great-great (insert however many greats you would like)
> grandchildren of the current coronavirus.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/9/2020 12:40 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Guys, youre way over estimating the speed at which the government is able
> to engineer new variants of each virus
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:40 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> That's different from the information I had been given. I'd heard the
> issue with the coronavirus is that it mutates very rapidly, so that a
> vaccine for today's coronavirus will be obsolete after the next mutation or
> two. One of the reasons the common cold still has not got a vaccine; too
> many targets.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/9/2020 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I was just reading that with coronaviruses, unlike rhinoviruses, immunity
> only lasts 1-2 years and that with the “common cold” people get the same
> strain again sometimes within a year.
>
>
>
> So assuming they develop a vaccine, I guess we’ll have to get our “flu
> shots” every year in the future.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> She has built a nuclear weapon, or is studying Sanskrit or has converted
> to Hinduism.
>
> Knowing you, I would bet on the first one.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2 months now, i
> bet shes a carrier since all the other tests, even mono came back
> negative... she may even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and
> said "Daddy, I love you, but I am become death, destroyer of worlds" I dont
> know what that means, but im taking her lab down tonite
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM  wrote:
>
> I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild symptoms
> that I have been reading about.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the only test in town.  As
> of today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing
> capabilities.  This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to
> either of these labs just like any other test they do.  There should be no
> reason for no testing now.
>
>
> https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test
>
>
> https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Ken Hohhof]

I just watched the news conference on the TV.

IMHO, VP Pence and the medical experts did a decent job, except when Pence had 
to engage in ritual sucking up to his boss.

But it seems like the adults are mostly in charge and hopefully will do the 
right things going forward regarding the virus response.

It doesn’t seem like Pence is throwing roadblocks in the way of the experts or 
censoring them for political gain.

The first few weeks, I don’t think that was true.

As far as efforts to boost the stock market, well, good luck with that.

Note sure a payroll tax cut will help people who get furloughed, or gig workers 
who can’t work.

Best thing for the stock market is probably an effective plan for virus 
mitigation and control.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 6:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

tl:dr,  WHO did a pretty good job characterizing it in China...


https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/?utm_source=share
 

 
_medium=mweb=IwAR200tfVJTj399ew-ebr4m9hNnrJ4XUt37ga6b-lPQyRsbIWndMS3PMMjsw&_branch_match_id=745183492132993440

On 3/9/20 2:48 PM, James Howard wrote:

That’s why we need a one world government.  Efficiency should be able to be 
improved to the point they can engineer a new pandemic every 6 months then.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 3:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

I dont think you read my statement. The reason we have some new "pandemic" 
every 2 or so years is thats about how long it takes for the government to 
engineer the new virus

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:55 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm not. Anthony Fauci stated that they can get a vaccine prototyped in a few 
months, but it would take at least a year, and maybe up to two before it could 
be administered to the general public. By that time, we will be on the 
great-great-great (insert however many greats you would like) grandchildren of 
the current coronavirus.

bp

 

On 3/9/2020 12:40 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Guys, youre way over estimating the speed at which the government is able to 
engineer new variants of each virus

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:40 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

That's different from the information I had been given. I'd heard the issue 
with the coronavirus is that it mutates very rapidly, so that a vaccine for 
today's coronavirus will be obsolete after the next mutation or two. One of the 
reasons the common cold still has not got a vaccine; too many targets.

 

bp

 

On 3/9/2020 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I was just reading that with coronaviruses, unlike rhinoviruses, immunity only 
lasts 1-2 years and that with the “common cold” people get the same strain 
again sometimes within a year.

 

So assuming they develop a vaccine, I guess we’ll have to get our “flu shots” 
every year in the future.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

She has built a nuclear weapon, or is studying Sanskrit or has converted to 
Hinduism.  

Knowing you, I would bet on the first one.

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2 months now, i bet 
shes a carrier since all the other tests, even mono came back negative... she 
may even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and said "Daddy, I love 
you, but I am become death, destroyer of worlds" I dont know what that means, 
but im taking her lab down tonite

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild symptoms that I 
have been reading about.  

 

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the only test in town.  As of 
today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing capabilities.  
This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to either of these labs 
just like any other test they do.  There should be no reason for no testing now.

https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test

https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Robert]

tl:dr,  WHO did a pretty good job characterizing it in China...


https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/?utm_source=share_medium=mweb=IwAR200tfVJTj399ew-ebr4m9hNnrJ4XUt37ga6b-lPQyRsbIWndMS3PMMjsw&_branch_match_id=745183492132993440

On 3/9/20 2:48 PM, James Howard wrote:


That’s why we need a one world government.  Efficiency should be able 
to be improved to the point they can engineer a new pandemic every 6 
months then.


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 3:02 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

I dont think you read my statement. The reason we have some new 
"pandemic" every 2 or so years is thats about how long it takes for 
the government to engineer the new virus


On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:55 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


I'm not. Anthony Fauci stated that they can get a vaccine
prototyped in a few months, but it would take at least a year, and
maybe up to two before it could be administered to the general
public. By that time, we will be on the great-great-great (insert
however many greats you would like) grandchildren of the current
coronavirus.

bp



On 3/9/2020 12:40 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Guys, youre way over estimating the speed at which the
government is able to engineer new variants of each virus

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:40 PM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That's different from the information I had been given.
I'd heard the issue with the coronavirus is that it
mutates very rapidly, so that a vaccine for today's
coronavirus will be obsolete after the next mutation or
two. One of the reasons the common cold still has not got
a vaccine; too many targets.

bp



On 3/9/2020 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I was just reading that with coronaviruses, unlike
rhinoviruses, immunity only lasts 1-2 years and that
with the “common cold” people get the same strain
again sometimes within a year.

So assuming they develop a vaccine, I guess we’ll have
to get our “flu shots” every year in the future.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

She has built a nuclear weapon, or is studying
Sanskrit or has converted to Hinduism.

Knowing you, I would bet on the first one.

*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms
for 2 months now, i bet shes a carrier since all the
other tests, even mono came back negative... she may
even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and
said "Daddy, I love you, but I am become death,
destroyer of worlds" I dont know what that means, but
im taking her lab down tonite

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I doubt most would think to go get a test if they
had the mild symptoms that I have been reading about.

*From:*Mark - Myakka Technologies

*Sent:*Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the
only test in town.  As of today both Labcorp and
Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing
capabilities. This means any doctor can now do a
swab and send it off to either of these labs just
like any other test they do.  There should be no
reason for no testing now.


https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test


https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19


--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com 

--

  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[James Howard]

That’s why we need a one world government.  Efficiency should be able to be 
improved to the point they can engineer a new pandemic every 6 months then.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 3:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

I dont think you read my statement. The reason we have some new "pandemic" 
every 2 or so years is thats about how long it takes for the government to 
engineer the new virus

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:55 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm not. Anthony Fauci stated that they can get a vaccine prototyped in a few 
months, but it would take at least a year, and maybe up to two before it could 
be administered to the general public. By that time, we will be on the 
great-great-great (insert however many greats you would like) grandchildren of 
the current coronavirus.

bp




On 3/9/2020 12:40 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Guys, youre way over estimating the speed at which the government is able to 
engineer new variants of each virus

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:40 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

That's different from the information I had been given. I'd heard the issue 
with the coronavirus is that it mutates very rapidly, so that a vaccine for 
today's coronavirus will be obsolete after the next mutation or two. One of the 
reasons the common cold still has not got a vaccine; too many targets.



bp




On 3/9/2020 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I was just reading that with coronaviruses, unlike rhinoviruses, immunity only 
lasts 1-2 years and that with the “common cold” people get the same strain 
again sometimes within a year.

So assuming they develop a vaccine, I guess we’ll have to get our “flu shots” 
every year in the future.

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

She has built a nuclear weapon, or is studying Sanskrit or has converted to 
Hinduism.
Knowing you, I would bet on the first one.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2 months now, i bet 
shes a carrier since all the other tests, even mono came back negative... she 
may even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and said "Daddy, I love 
you, but I am become death, destroyer of worlds" I dont know what that means, 
but im taking her lab down tonite

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild symptoms that I 
have been reading about.

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the only test in town.  As of 
today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing capabilities.  
This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to either of these labs 
just like any other test they do.  There should be no reason for no testing now.

https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test

https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19


--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote:

There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to date in 
the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000 per day. The 
test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They might have 
substantial numbers of kits sometime next week.

bp


On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

10

There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that asymptomatic 
people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what type of testing 
was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A nasal swab just 
indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA VIRUS!!! headline a 
couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was pointed out that the dog didnt 
test positive, the dog never had it, it was just present in the swab as an 
environmental contaminate. If a swab of a door handle shows it present, we dont 
say the door handle has it, because it doesnt, its simply on the door handle

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that tested 
positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and those people 
are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of people running 
around with it. That also means that the death 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Steve Jones]

I dont think you read my statement. The reason we have some new "pandemic"
every 2 or so years is thats about how long it takes for the government to
engineer the new virus

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:55 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I'm not. Anthony Fauci stated that they can get a vaccine prototyped in a
> few months, but it would take at least a year, and maybe up to two before
> it could be administered to the general public. By that time, we will be on
> the great-great-great (insert however many greats you would like)
> grandchildren of the current coronavirus.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/9/2020 12:40 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Guys, youre way over estimating the speed at which the government is able
> to engineer new variants of each virus
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:40 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> That's different from the information I had been given. I'd heard the
>> issue with the coronavirus is that it mutates very rapidly, so that a
>> vaccine for today's coronavirus will be obsolete after the next mutation or
>> two. One of the reasons the common cold still has not got a vaccine; too
>> many targets.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/9/2020 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I was just reading that with coronaviruses, unlike rhinoviruses, immunity
>> only lasts 1-2 years and that with the “common cold” people get the same
>> strain again sometimes within a year.
>>
>>
>>
>> So assuming they develop a vaccine, I guess we’ll have to get our “flu
>> shots” every year in the future.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>>
>>
>> She has built a nuclear weapon, or is studying Sanskrit or has converted
>> to Hinduism.
>>
>> Knowing you, I would bet on the first one.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>>
>>
>> My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2 months now,
>> i bet shes a carrier since all the other tests, even mono came back
>> negative... she may even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and
>> said "Daddy, I love you, but I am become death, destroyer of worlds" I dont
>> know what that means, but im taking her lab down tonite
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM  wrote:
>>
>> I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild symptoms
>> that I have been reading about.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>>
>>
>> Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the only test in town.  As
>> of today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing
>> capabilities.  This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to
>> either of these labs just like any other test they do.  There should be no
>> reason for no testing now.
>>
>>
>> https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test
>>
>>
>> https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to
>> date in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000
>> per day. The test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They
>> might have substantial numbers of kits sometime next week.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> 10
>>
>> There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that
>> asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what
>> type of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A
>> nasal swab just indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA
>> VIRUS!!! headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was
>> pointed out that the dog didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was
>> just present in the swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a
>> door handle shows it present, we dont say the door handle has it, because
>> it doesnt, its simply on the door handle
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that
>> tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and
>> those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of
>> people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is
>> probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Id agree there, of the 1000 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I'm not. Anthony Fauci stated that they can get a vaccine
  prototyped in a few months, but it would take at least a year, and
  maybe up to two before it could be administered to the general
  public. By that time, we will be on the great-great-great (insert
  however many greats you would like) grandchildren of the current
  coronavirus.

bp



On 3/9/2020 12:40 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  Guys, youre way over estimating the speed at which
the government is able to engineer new variants of each virus
  
  
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:40 PM
  Bill Prince  wrote:


  
That's different from the information I had been given.
  I'd heard the issue with the coronavirus is that it
  mutates very rapidly, so that a vaccine for today's
  coronavirus will be obsolete after the next mutation or
  two. One of the reasons the common cold still has not got
  a vaccine; too many targets.


bp



On 3/9/2020 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
I was just reading that with
  coronaviruses, unlike rhinoviruses, immunity only
  lasts 1-2 years and that with the “common cold” people
  get the same strain again sometimes within a year.
 
So assuming they develop a vaccine,
  I guess we’ll have to get our “flu shots” every year
  in the future.
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
  

 

  

  She has
  built a nuclear weapon, or is studying
  Sanskrit or has converted to Hinduism.  


  Knowing
  you, I would bet on the first one.


  

   


  
From: Steve
Jones 
  
  
Sent:
Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM
  
  
To:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  
  
Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] OT Virus
  

  
  
 
  


  
My 11yr
old daughter has been having the mild
symptoms for 2 months now, i bet shes a
carrier since all the other tests, even mono
came back negative... she may even be
patient zero. Last night she came to me and
said "Daddy, I love you, but I am become
death, destroyer of worlds" I dont know what
that means, but im taking her lab down
tonite
  
  
 
  
  

  On Mon,
  Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM 
  wrote:


  

  

  I
  doubt most would think to go get a
  test if they had the mild symptoms
  that I have been reading about.  


  

   


  
From: Mark -
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Steve Jones]

Guys, youre way over estimating the speed at which the government is able
to engineer new variants of each virus

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:40 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> That's different from the information I had been given. I'd heard the
> issue with the coronavirus is that it mutates very rapidly, so that a
> vaccine for today's coronavirus will be obsolete after the next mutation or
> two. One of the reasons the common cold still has not got a vaccine; too
> many targets.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/9/2020 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I was just reading that with coronaviruses, unlike rhinoviruses, immunity
> only lasts 1-2 years and that with the “common cold” people get the same
> strain again sometimes within a year.
>
>
>
> So assuming they develop a vaccine, I guess we’ll have to get our “flu
> shots” every year in the future.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> She has built a nuclear weapon, or is studying Sanskrit or has converted
> to Hinduism.
>
> Knowing you, I would bet on the first one.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2 months now, i
> bet shes a carrier since all the other tests, even mono came back
> negative... she may even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and
> said "Daddy, I love you, but I am become death, destroyer of worlds" I dont
> know what that means, but im taking her lab down tonite
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM  wrote:
>
> I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild symptoms
> that I have been reading about.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the only test in town.  As
> of today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing
> capabilities.  This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to
> either of these labs just like any other test they do.  There should be no
> reason for no testing now.
>
>
> https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test
>
>
> https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote:
>
> There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to
> date in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000
> per day. The test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They
> might have substantial numbers of kits sometime next week.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> 10
>
> There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that
> asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what
> type of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A
> nasal swab just indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA
> VIRUS!!! headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was
> pointed out that the dog didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was
> just present in the swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a
> door handle shows it present, we dont say the door handle has it, because
> it doesnt, its simply on the door handle
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that
> tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and
> those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of
> people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is
> probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe.
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick,
> of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of
> the remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and
> standard outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably
> 10,000 people got the flu, and 100 of them died
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
>
>
>
>
>
> *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
> School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
> how people should look at the coronavirus data. One signal Dr. Kucharski
> looks for is when the first case in an area is a death: “That suggests you
> had a lot of community transmission 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That's different from the information I had been given. I'd heard
  the issue with the coronavirus is that it mutates very rapidly, so
  that a vaccine for today's coronavirus will be obsolete after the
  next mutation or two. One of the reasons the common cold still has
  not got a vaccine; too many targets.


bp



On 3/9/2020 12:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I was just reading that with coronaviruses,
  unlike rhinoviruses, immunity only lasts 1-2 years and that
  with the “common cold” people get the same strain again
  sometimes within a year.
 
So assuming they develop a vaccine, I guess
  we’ll have to get our “flu shots” every year in the future.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
  

 

  

  She has built a
  nuclear weapon, or is studying Sanskrit or has
  converted to Hinduism.  


  Knowing you, I
  would bet on the first one.


  

   


  
From:
Steve Jones 
  
  
Sent:
Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM
  
  
To:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  
  
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
  

  
  
 
  


  
My 11yr old
daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2
months now, i bet shes a carrier since all the other
tests, even mono came back negative... she may even
be patient zero. Last night she came to me and said
"Daddy, I love you, but I am become death, destroyer
of worlds" I dont know what that means, but im
taking her lab down tonite
  
  
 
  
  

  On Mon, Mar
  9, 2020 at 11:45 AM 
  wrote:


  

  

  I
  doubt most would think to go get a test if
  they had the mild symptoms that I have
  been reading about.  


  

   


  
From:
Mark - Myakka Technologies 
  
  
Sent:
Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM
  
  
To:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  
  
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
  

  
  
 
  


  Testing should ramp
  up.  CDC test kits are not the only test
  in town.  As of today both Labcorp and
  Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing
  capabilities.  This means any doctor can
  now do a swab and send it off to either of
  these labs just like any other test they
  do.  There should be no reason for no
  testing now.
  
https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test
  
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Ken Hohhof]

I was just reading that with coronaviruses, unlike rhinoviruses, immunity only 
lasts 1-2 years and that with the “common cold” people get the same strain 
again sometimes within a year.

 

So assuming they develop a vaccine, I guess we’ll have to get our “flu shots” 
every year in the future.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 1:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

She has built a nuclear weapon, or is studying Sanskrit or has converted to 
Hinduism.  

Knowing you, I would bet on the first one.

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2 months now, i bet 
shes a carrier since all the other tests, even mono came back negative... she 
may even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and said "Daddy, I love 
you, but I am become death, destroyer of worlds" I dont know what that means, 
but im taking her lab down tonite

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild symptoms that I 
have been reading about.  

 

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the only test in town.  As of 
today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing capabilities.  
This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to either of these labs 
just like any other test they do.  There should be no reason for no testing now.

 

 
https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test

 

 
https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19


--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.Myakka.com

--

Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote:


There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to date in 
the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000 per day. The 
test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They might have 
substantial numbers of kits sometime next week.

bp


On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


10 

There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that asymptomatic 
people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what type of testing 
was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A nasal swab just 
indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA VIRUS!!! headline a 
couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was pointed out that the dog didnt 
test positive, the dog never had it, it was just present in the swab as an 
environmental contaminate. If a swab of a door handle shows it present, we dont 
say the door handle has it, because it doesnt, its simply on the door handle

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:


I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that tested 
positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and those people 
are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of people running 
around with it. That also means that the death rate is probably way, way lower 
than we've been made to believe.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:


Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick, of 
that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of the 
remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and standard 
outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably 10,000 people got 
the flu, and 100 of them died

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:


Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London School of 
Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about how people 
should look at the coronavirus data.
One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a 
death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he said.
“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is plausible,” 
he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably became ill 
about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100 cases three weeks 
ago, in reality.”
“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well 

Re: [AFMUG] my happy place

[Dev]

Their client, at least a few years ago, was terrrible, hard to understand, 
had various modules like another client to read the logs, and you had to submit 
a DNA sample in triplicate to get it, or any support, even if you were just 
trying to help a client figure out the networking, etc.

Radio seemed to be pretty good, once you figured out the client-fu, to the 
extent that was possible.

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Had a short but nice chat with a sales engineer, but since they sell direct, 
> to get the prices you need an account for their web store.  That’s where they 
> started throwing up all sorts of obstacles.  Had to agree to a big long legal 
> agreement, then my application was kicked back with this (see below).  With 
> enough persistence I assume I could have blasted through the roadblock, but 
> they didn’t seem to want my business very badly.  So like I said, they pissed 
> me off.  Also I was told the web store pricing was what everybody paid, no 
> haggling or volume discounts, then discussion on the list about their E-band 
> radios said call this person to get the good price, which says no the web 
> store is not the good price.
>  
> Hi Kenneth,
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> I see that the company name you submitted is XYZ but your email domain shows 
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>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:12 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my happy place
>  
> what did they do? I havent heard anything negative about them
>  
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 9:58 AM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
>> Probably no.  They have pissed me off, and it’s not like they are the only 
>> fish in the sea.
>>  
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>> Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:47 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my happy place
>>  
>> are you trying the aviat for that 11g?
>>  
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 9:46 AM Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>>> Nope.  I have one AF3 link that I am in the process of moving to 11 GHz.
>>>  
>>> My spectrum inquiry report of course is based on who is authorized to 
>>> transmit according to the SAS.  Not a spectrum analysis of who actually is 
>>> transmitting.
>>>  
>>> But I would think an AF3X would be region locked to 3650-3700.  I think 
>>> it’s allowed in the upper 25 MHz, but if it’s allowed under Part 96, that’s 
>>> news to me.  I think it’s legacy Part 90 equipment.  Even if it could meet 
>>> all the WinnForum specs, it would need a Domain Proxy.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>>> Behalf Of Steve Jones
>>> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:34 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my happy place
>>>  
>>> Hah, Is AF3 even part 96? I would love to see somebody running one of those 
>>> as a primary backhaul wake up one morning to only 10mhz at low power. 
>>> reap/sow
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 9:27 AM dave >> > wrote:
 No worries,
  Wait till an airfiberx 3ghz fires up or a cellco.. 
 Already seeing it here
 
 
 
 On 3/8/20 9:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I think I’m going to print this out and frame it, so every time political 
> and virus news gets me down, I can look at it and smile.
>  
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[chuck]

She has built a nuclear weapon, or is studying Sanskrit or has converted to 
Hinduism.  
Knowing you, I would bet on the first one.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2 months now, i bet 
shes a carrier since all the other tests, even mono came back negative... she 
may even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and said "Daddy, I love 
you, but I am become death, destroyer of worlds" I dont know what that means, 
but im taking her lab down tonite

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM  wrote:

  I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild symptoms that 
I have been reading about.  

  From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

  Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the only test in town.  As of 
today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing capabilities.  
This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to either of these labs 
just like any other test they do.  There should be no reason for no testing now.

  
https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test

  
https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19


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  Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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  Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote:


   There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to 
date in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000 per 
day. The test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They might 
have substantial numbers of kits sometime next week.

bp


On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

 10 

  There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that 
asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what type 
of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A nasal swab 
just indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA VIRUS!!! 
headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was pointed out that 
the dog didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was just present in the 
swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a door handle shows it 
present, we dont say the door handle has it, because it doesnt, its simply on 
the door handle

  On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

   I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess 
cruise ship that tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if 
that's true, and those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly 
a LOT of people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is 
probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

 Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even 
know they were sick, of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the 
flu or a cold. of the remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise 
infirm and standard outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area 
probably 10,000 people got the flu, and 100 of them died

  On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince 
 wrote:

   Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind 
outbreaks for the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently 
talked to The Times about how people should look at the coronavirus data.
One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the 
first case in an area is a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community 
transmission already,” he said.
“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 
percent, which is plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that 
person probably became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had 
about 100 cases three weeks ago, in reality.”
“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, 
“that number could well have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So 
you’re currently looking at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”
My corollary on the above is that if we have 
that many cases in a community, then a lot of people are running around with no 
clue that they have been infected. 
bp



On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 We have moved from containment to 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Mark Radabaugh]

Yeah, they told me I didn’t have mono either at 18.   One ruptured spleen later 
they said that’s weird, you must have had mono.   Why were you carrying 140lb 
boxes of frozen fries up the stairs at work?

Mark

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 12:52 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2 months now, i 
> bet shes a carrier since all the other tests, even mono came back negative... 
> she may even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and said "Daddy, I 
> love you, but I am become death, destroyer of worlds" I dont know what that 
> means, but im taking her lab down tonite
> 
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
> wrote:
> I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild symptoms that 
> I have been reading about. 
>  
> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies <>
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>  
> Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the only test in town.  As of 
> today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing capabilities. 
>  This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to either of these 
> labs just like any other test they do.  There should be no reason for no 
> testing now.
> 
> https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test
>  
> 
> 
> https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19
>  
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com <>
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com 
> 
> --
> 
> Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote:
> 
> 
> There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to date 
> in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000 per 
> day. The test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They might 
> have substantial numbers of kits sometime next week.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> 
> 10 
> 
> There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that asymptomatic 
> people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what type of testing 
> was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A nasal swab just 
> indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA VIRUS!!! headline a 
> couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was pointed out that the dog 
> didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was just present in the swab as 
> an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a door handle shows it present, we 
> dont say the door handle has it, because it doesnt, its simply on the door 
> handle
> 
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard > wrote:
> 
> I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that 
> tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and 
> those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of 
> people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is 
> probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones > 
> wrote:
> 
> Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick, of 
> that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of the 
> remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and standard 
> outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably 10,000 people 
> got the flu, and 100 of them died
> 
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince > wrote:
> 
> Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
> 
> Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London School 
> of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about how 
> people should look at the coronavirus data.
> One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a 
> death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he 
> said.
> “Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is plausible,” 
> he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably became ill 
> about three weeks ago.That means you probably 
> had about 100 cases three weeks ago, in reality.”
> “In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have 
> doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at 500 
> cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”
> My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a community, 
> then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they have been 
> infected. 
> bp
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> 
> We have moved from 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Steve Jones]

My 11yr old daughter has been having the mild symptoms for 2 months now, i
bet shes a carrier since all the other tests, even mono came back
negative... she may even be patient zero. Last night she came to me and
said "Daddy, I love you, but I am become death, destroyer of worlds" I dont
know what that means, but im taking her lab down tonite

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:45 AM  wrote:

> I doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the mild symptoms
> that I have been reading about.
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
> Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the only test in town.  As
> of today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing
> capabilities.  This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to
> either of these labs just like any other test they do.  There should be no
> reason for no testing now.
>
>
> https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test
>
>
> https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to
> date in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000
> per day. The test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They
> might have substantial numbers of kits sometime next week.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> 10
>
> There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that
> asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what
> type of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A
> nasal swab just indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA
> VIRUS!!! headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was
> pointed out that the dog didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was
> just present in the swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a
> door handle shows it present, we dont say the door handle has it, because
> it doesnt, its simply on the door handle
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that
> tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and
> those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of
> people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is
> probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe.
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick,
> of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of
> the remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and
> standard outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably
> 10,000 people got the flu, and 100 of them died
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
>
>
>
>
>
> *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
> School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
> how people should look at the coronavirus data.One signal Dr. Kucharski
> looks for is when the first case in an area is a death: “That suggests you
> had a lot of community transmission already,” he said.“Suppose the fatality
> rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is plausible,” he explained. “If
> you’ve got a death, then that person probably became ill about three weeks
> ago. That means you probably had about 100 cases three weeks ago, in
> reality.”“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could
> well have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently
> looking at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”*My corollary on the above is
> that if we have that many cases in a community, then a lot of people are
> running around with no clue that they have been infected.
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is
> to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait
> for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with
> this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.
>
> Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use
> the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a
> thermometer.
>
> And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t
> you just get indoor plumbing last year?
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[chuck]

Re: [AFMUG] OT VirusI doubt most would think to go get a test if they had the 
mild symptoms that I have been reading about.  

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the only test in town.  As of 
today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing capabilities.  
This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to either of these labs 
just like any other test they do.  There should be no reason for no testing now.

https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test

https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19


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www.Myakka.com

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Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote:


 There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to 
date in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000 per 
day. The test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They might 
have substantial numbers of kits sometime next week.

  bp
  

  On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

   10 

There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that 
asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what type 
of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A nasal swab 
just indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA VIRUS!!! 
headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was pointed out that 
the dog didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was just present in the 
swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a door handle shows it 
present, we dont say the door handle has it, because it doesnt, its simply on 
the door handle

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

 I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise 
ship that tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, 
and those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of 
people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is probably 
way, way lower than we've been made to believe.

  On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

   Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know 
they were sick, of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or 
a cold. of the remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and 
standard outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably 10,000 
people got the flu, and 100 of them died

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince 
 wrote:

 Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

  Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind 
outbreaks for the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently 
talked to The Times about how people should look at the coronavirus data.
  One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the 
first case in an area is a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community 
transmission already,” he said.
  “Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 
percent, which is plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that 
person probably became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had 
about 100 cases three weeks ago, in reality.”
  “In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that 
number could well have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re 
currently looking at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”
  My corollary on the above is that if we have that 
many cases in a community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue 
that they have been infected. 
  bp
  


  On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 We have moved from containment to community 
mitigation, where the goal is to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the 
healthcare system, and wait for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has 
not quite caught up with this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci 
you can figure it out.

Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  
Wash your hands, and use the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  
Maybe take a thermometer.

And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that 
your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On 
Behalf Of Steve 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus


Testing should ramp up.  CDC test kits are not the only test in town.  As of today both Labcorp and Qwest Diagnostics have their own testing capabilities.  This means any doctor can now do a swab and send it off to either of these labs just like any other test they do.  There should be no reason for no testing now.

https://newsroom.questdiagnostics.com/2020-03-05-Quest-Diagnostics-to-Launch-Coronavirus-Disease-2019-COVID-19-Test

https://www.labcorp.com/information-labcorp-about-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19


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Monday, March 9, 2020, 12:24:15 PM, you wrote:





There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to date in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000 per day. The test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They might have substantial numbers of kits sometime next week.

bp


On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:




10 

There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what type of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A nasal swab just indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA VIRUS!!! headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was pointed out that the dog didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was just present in the swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a door handle shows it present, we dont say the door handle has it, because it doesnt, its simply on the door handle

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:




I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones  wrote:




Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick, of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of the remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and standard outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably 10,000 people got the flu, and 100 of them died

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince  wrote:




Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about how people should look at the coronavirus data.
One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he said.
“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100 cases three weeks ago, in reality.”
“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”
My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they have been infected. 
bp






On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:




We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.
 
Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a thermometer.
 
And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?
 
 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
 
Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"
So that equates to "its here in town now"
I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers, dirty filthy cesspools of disease.
The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it home. Wifes 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, but as far as I know, there hasn't been any confirmation that
asymptomatic people can't spread it either, but even if they can, I imagine
they'd spread it nearly as much, due to the fact that they aren't going
around coughing and sneezing on everyone and everything in sight.

It would be interesting to know what kind of testing they did on the cruise
ship people... I read that in an article arguing that the death rate was
much lower than what's been reporting, and they didn't make any mention of
that, they were just making the point that when it's in a somewhat
controlled environment where every exposed person gets tested, it doesn't
look nearly as bad as when you only test people that probably have it.

I wondered why the dog story went away so fast...

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:14 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> 10
>
> There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that
> asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what
> type of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A
> nasal swab just indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA
> VIRUS!!! headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was
> pointed out that the dog didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was
> just present in the swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a
> door handle shows it present, we dont say the door handle has it, because
> it doesnt, its simply on the door handle
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that
>> tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and
>> those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of
>> people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is
>> probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick,
>>> of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of
>>> the remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and
>>> standard outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably
>>> 10,000 people got the flu, and 100 of them died
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
 Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

 *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
 School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
 how people should look at the coronavirus data.*
 *One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area
 is a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission
 already,” he said.*
 *“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is
 plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably
 became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100
 cases three weeks ago, in reality.”*
 *“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well
 have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking
 at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”*

 My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a
 community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they
 have been infected.

 bp
 


 On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal
 is to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and
 wait for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up
 with this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it
 out.



 Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use
 the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a
 thermometer.



 And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.
 Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?





 *From:* AF   *On
 Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus



 Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town
 was in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"

 So that equates to "its here in town now"

 I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut
 from her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In
 the mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the
 hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every
 germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers,
 dirty filthy 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Steve Jones]

I just hope since everybody and their brother is producing them that they
all create the same test so the results are standardized. 5 9s vs 4 9s to
us is usually good enough for the girls we go with, but tracking a
"pandemic" needs 100 percent alignment on the data set

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 11:25 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total tests to
> date in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South Korea is doing 10,000
> per day. The test kits are only starting to be distributed in the US. They
> might have substantial numbers of kits sometime next week.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> 10
>
> There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that
> asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what
> type of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A
> nasal swab just indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA
> VIRUS!!! headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was
> pointed out that the dog didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was
> just present in the swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a
> door handle shows it present, we dont say the door handle has it, because
> it doesnt, its simply on the door handle
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that
>> tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and
>> those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of
>> people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is
>> probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick,
>>> of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of
>>> the remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and
>>> standard outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably
>>> 10,000 people got the flu, and 100 of them died
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
 Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

 *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
 School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
 how people should look at the coronavirus data.*
 *One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area
 is a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission
 already,” he said.*
 *“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is
 plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably
 became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100
 cases three weeks ago, in reality.”*
 *“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well
 have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking
 at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”*

 My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a
 community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they
 have been infected.

 bp
 


 On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal
 is to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and
 wait for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up
 with this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it
 out.



 Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use
 the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a
 thermometer.



 And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.
 Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?





 *From:* AF   *On
 Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus



 Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town
 was in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"

 So that equates to "its here in town now"

 I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut
 from her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In
 the mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the
 hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every
 germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers,
 dirty filthy cesspools of disease.

 The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it
 home. Wifes on her own at the death center. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Bill Prince]

  
  
There has not really been any testing at all in the US. Total
  tests to date in the US is fewer than 5000. By contrast South
  Korea is doing 10,000 per day. The test kits are only starting to
  be distributed in the US. They might have substantial numbers of
  kits sometime next week.


bp



On 3/9/2020 9:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


  
  10


There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture
  that asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too
  lazy to look, what type of testing was done on them, was it a
  nasal swab, or a blood test. A nasal swab just indicates
  exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA VIRUS!!!
  headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was
  pointed out that the dog didnt test positive, the dog never
  had it, it was just present in the swab as an environmental
  contaminate. If a swab of a door handle shows it present, we
  dont say the door handle has it, because it doesnt, its simply
  on the door handle
  
  
  
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17
  AM Mathew Howard  wrote:


  I read that half of the people on the Diamond
Princess cruise ship that tested positive for the virus
didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and those people are
able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of
people running around with it. That also means that the
death rate is probably way, way lower than we've been made
to believe.
  
  
  
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at
  10:13 AM Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250
didnt even know they were sick, of that remaining 750
probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of the
remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise
infirm and standard outcomes would apply. In the mean
time, in that area probably 10,000 people got the flu,
and 100 of them died
  
  
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at
  10:01 AM Bill Prince 
  wrote:


  
Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
  
  Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind
outbreaks for the London School of Hygiene and
Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times
about how people should look at the coronavirus
data.
  One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the
first case in an area is a death: “That suggests
you had a lot of community transmission
already,” he said.
  “Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1
percent, which is plausible,” he explained. “If
you’ve got a death, then that person probably
became ill about three weeks ago. That means you
probably had about 100 cases three weeks ago, in
reality.”
  “In that subsequent three weeks,” he added,
“that number could well have doubled, then
doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently
looking at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”
My corollary on the above is that if we have that
  many cases in a community, then a lot of people
  are running around with no clue that they have
  been infected. 

bp



On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
We have moved from
  containment to community mitigation, where the
  goal is to flatten the curve and avoid
  overloading the healthcare system, and wait
  for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging
  has not quite caught up with this reality, but
  if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can
  figure it out.
 
Those of you going to
  WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and
  use the hand sanitizer that I assume will be
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Steve Jones]

dont forget, this isnt chinas first pony ride with this type of stuff. It
was only in the last couple years they slowed down on wearing masks
everywhere, avoiding contact, etc from the last one, MERs or SARS I dont
recall. Good luck getting americans to practice the aseptic lifestyle that
became the norm there

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:27 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Corollary: we need to test lots of people, and get the infected ones to
> stay away from nursing homes, cruise ships and unprotected healthcare
> workers.
>
>
>
> And given that kids seem to either not get it, or not get serious
> symptoms, I wonder if they are silently transmitting the virus.
>
>
>
> It does seem so far like transmission within families is almost 100%.  Not
> sure how that would change if people were tested and then practiced
> recommended methods to avoid transmitting the virus.  Or if it’s too late
> by the time they know, at least for transmission within families in the
> same house.
>
>
>
> The biggest puzzle for me is why the Chinese seem to be having such great
> success now controlling the new case rate.  It can’t JUST be the lockdown.
> It’s almost like they have a lot of people that have recovered without
> knowing they had it and are now immune, and that is blocking the virus from
> spreading so fast through a population that now has a certain percent are
> immune.  I believe I saw something about it stops when either 50% of the
> population has recovered and is immune, or a vaccine becomes available.  I
> don’t know if the 50% number was just an example or a real number, but I
> think the idea was that an epidemic or pandemic needs a certain percentage
> of the population to be susceptible to sustain its spread.  The other way
> it stops is if it is so deadly that it kills its host before it can
> spread.  I guess SARS was kind of that way.  Plus with SARS you weren’t
> very contagious before you showed symptoms.  Fewer Typhoid Marys walking
> around.  Or taking Amtrak.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
>
> *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
> School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
> how people should look at the coronavirus data.*
> *One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a
> death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he
> said.*
> *“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is
> plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably
> became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100
> cases three weeks ago, in reality.”*
> *“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have
> doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at
> 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”*
>
> My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a
> community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they
> have been infected.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is
> to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait
> for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with
> this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.
>
>
>
> Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use
> the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a
> thermometer.
>
>
>
> And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t
> you just get indoor plumbing last year?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was
> in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"
>
> So that equates to "its here in town now"
>
> I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from
> her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the
> mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the
> hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every
> germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers,
> dirty filthy cesspools of disease.
>
> The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it home.
> Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback on
> cold viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of c.
> Diff.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Steve Jones]

10

There has been no confirmation outside the media conjecture that
asymptomatic people can spread it. Im curious, and too lazy to look, what
type of testing was done on them, was it a nasal swab, or a blood test. A
nasal swab just indicates exposure. Remember the DOG INFECTED WITH CORONA
VIRUS!!! headline a couple weeks ago? Yeah, it died down when it was
pointed out that the dog didnt test positive, the dog never had it, it was
just present in the swab as an environmental contaminate. If a swab of a
door handle shows it present, we dont say the door handle has it, because
it doesnt, its simply on the door handle

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that
> tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and
> those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of
> people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is
> probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe.
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick,
>> of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of
>> the remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and
>> standard outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably
>> 10,000 people got the flu, and 100 of them died
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
>>>
>>> *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
>>> School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
>>> how people should look at the coronavirus data.*
>>> *One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is
>>> a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,”
>>> he said.*
>>> *“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is
>>> plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably
>>> became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100
>>> cases three weeks ago, in reality.”*
>>> *“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well
>>> have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking
>>> at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”*
>>>
>>> My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a
>>> community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they
>>> have been infected.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal
>>> is to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and
>>> wait for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up
>>> with this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it
>>> out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use
>>> the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a
>>> thermometer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.
>>> Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF   *On
>>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was
>>> in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"
>>>
>>> So that equates to "its here in town now"
>>>
>>> I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut
>>> from her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In
>>> the mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the
>>> hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every
>>> germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers,
>>> dirty filthy cesspools of disease.
>>>
>>> The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it
>>> home. Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback
>>> on cold viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of
>>> c. Diff.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital with
>>> something looking like nCov and which got tested.   We don't currently know
>>> how many people have it but didn't get tested and as such isn't counted as
>>> an infected person.   As we improve our testing ability, we'll find more
>>> cases which aren't hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases,
>>> pushing the rate lower.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2) Because we are testing more we'll 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, but who'd wanna eat infected Soylent Green? Or do they use Steve's
purification process... ?

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 11:04 AM  wrote:

> Soylent Green
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:00 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
> Perhaps they just immediately bury anybody that's infected...
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:52 AM  wrote:
>
>> I find it hard to believe that North Korea is missing out on all the fun.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 9:47 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>> It's interesting that the one country that is testing lots of people
>> (South Korea) has had a death rate well under 1%.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:27 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Corollary: we need to test lots of people, and get the infected ones to
>>> stay away from nursing homes, cruise ships and unprotected healthcare
>>> workers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And given that kids seem to either not get it, or not get serious
>>> symptoms, I wonder if they are silently transmitting the virus.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It does seem so far like transmission within families is almost 100%.
>>> Not sure how that would change if people were tested and then practiced
>>> recommended methods to avoid transmitting the virus.  Or if it’s too late
>>> by the time they know, at least for transmission within families in the
>>> same house.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The biggest puzzle for me is why the Chinese seem to be having such
>>> great success now controlling the new case rate.  It can’t JUST be the
>>> lockdown.  It’s almost like they have a lot of people that have recovered
>>> without knowing they had it and are now immune, and that is blocking the
>>> virus from spreading so fast through a population that now has a certain
>>> percent are immune.  I believe I saw something about it stops when either
>>> 50% of the population has recovered and is immune, or a vaccine becomes
>>> available.  I don’t know if the 50% number was just an example or a real
>>> number, but I think the idea was that an epidemic or pandemic needs a
>>> certain percentage of the population to be susceptible to sustain its
>>> spread.  The other way it stops is if it is so deadly that it kills its
>>> host before it can spread.  I guess SARS was kind of that way.  Plus with
>>> SARS you weren’t very contagious before you showed symptoms.  Fewer Typhoid
>>> Marys walking around.  Or taking Amtrak.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
>>>
>>> *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
>>> School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
>>> how people should look at the coronavirus data.*
>>> *One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is
>>> a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,”
>>> he said.*
>>> *“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is
>>> plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably
>>> became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100
>>> cases three weeks ago, in reality.”*
>>> *“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well
>>> have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking
>>> at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”*
>>>
>>> My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a
>>> community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they
>>> have been infected.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal
>>> is to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and
>>> wait for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up
>>> with this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it
>>> out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use
>>> the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a
>>> thermometer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.
>>> Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was
>>> in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"
>>>
>>> So that equates to "its here in town now"
>>>
>>> I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut
>>> from her gut on the 18th which 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Ken Hohhof]

I thought the CDC said wash your hands and don’t touch your Facebook!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Ha!

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:49 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

So far the biggest vector seems to be Facebook.

 

bp

 

On 3/9/2020 8:34 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

I actually have faith and trust in the WHO, CDC and local and state health 
departments.  This is the primary reason for them existing and they all have 
something to prove.  It is a big puzzle right now but we have the tools to 
figure out where it is coming from, how it is transmitted and how to control 
it.  We also have tools to produce a vaccine assuming it cannot mutate faster 
than we can vaccinate.  

 

I hope those that get it are immune to it afterwards. 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:27 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Corollary: we need to test lots of people, and get the infected ones to stay 
away from nursing homes, cruise ships and unprotected healthcare workers.

 

And given that kids seem to either not get it, or not get serious symptoms, I 
wonder if they are silently transmitting the virus.

 

It does seem so far like transmission within families is almost 100%.  Not sure 
how that would change if people were tested and then practiced recommended 
methods to avoid transmitting the virus.  Or if it’s too late by the time they 
know, at least for transmission within families in the same house.

 

The biggest puzzle for me is why the Chinese seem to be having such great 
success now controlling the new case rate.  It can’t JUST be the lockdown.  
It’s almost like they have a lot of people that have recovered without knowing 
they had it and are now immune, and that is blocking the virus from spreading 
so fast through a population that now has a certain percent are immune.  I 
believe I saw something about it stops when either 50% of the population has 
recovered and is immune, or a vaccine becomes available.  I don’t know if the 
50% number was just an example or a real number, but I think the idea was that 
an epidemic or pandemic needs a certain percentage of the population to be 
susceptible to sustain its spread.  The other way it stops is if it is so 
deadly that it kills its host before it can spread.  I guess SARS was kind of 
that way.  Plus with SARS you weren’t very contagious before you showed 
symptoms.  Fewer Typhoid Marys walking around.  Or taking Amtrak.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London School of 
Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about how people 
should look at the coronavirus data.
One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a 
death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he said.
“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is plausible,” 
he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably became ill 
about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100 cases three weeks 
ago, in reality.”
“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have 
doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at 500 
cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”

My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a community, 
then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they have been 
infected. 

bp

 

On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is to 
flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait for a 
vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with this 
reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.

 

Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use the 
hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a thermometer.

 

And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t you 
just get indoor plumbing last year?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was in the 
car behind this lady and we "exposed"

So that equates to "its here in town now"

I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from her 
gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That is North Korea.

bp



On 3/9/2020 9:00 AM, Mathew Howard
  wrote:


  
  Perhaps they just immediately bury anybody that's
infected...
  
  
  
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:52
  AM 
  wrote:


  

  
I find it hard to believe that North Korea is
  missing out on all the fun.

  
 

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:47 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave
  Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

  
   


  It's interesting that the one country
that is testing lots of people (South Korea) has had
a death rate well under 1%.
  
   
  
On Mon, Mar 9,
  2020 at 10:27 AM Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:


  

  Corollary: we need to
test lots of people, and get the infected
ones to stay away from nursing homes, cruise
ships and unprotected healthcare workers.
   
  And given that kids seem
to either not get it, or not get serious
symptoms, I wonder if they are silently
transmitting the virus.
   
  It does seem so far like
transmission within families is almost
100%.  Not sure how that would change if
people were tested and then practiced
recommended methods to avoid transmitting
the virus.  Or if it’s too late by the time
they know, at least for transmission within
families in the same house.
   
  The biggest puzzle for me
is why the Chinese seem to be having such
great success now controlling the new case
rate.  It can’t JUST be the lockdown.  It’s
almost like they have a lot of people that
have recovered without knowing they had it
and are now immune, and that is blocking the
virus from spreading so fast through a
population that now has a certain percent
are immune.  I believe I saw something about
it stops when either 50% of the population
has recovered and is immune, or a vaccine
becomes available.  I don’t know if the 50%
number was just an example or a real number,
but I think the idea was that an epidemic or
pandemic needs a certain percentage of the
population to be susceptible to sustain its
spread.  The other way it stops is if it is
so deadly that it kills its host before it
can spread.  I guess SARS was kind of that
way.  Plus with SARS you weren’t very
contagious before you showed symptoms. 
Fewer Typhoid Marys walking around.  Or
taking Amtrak.
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01
AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

  
   
  Interesting tidbit from the NYT this
morning:

Adam Kucharski, who studies the math
  behind outbreaks for the London School of
  Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently
  talked to The Times about how people

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[chuck]

Soylent Green

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

Perhaps they just immediately bury anybody that's infected...


On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:52 AM  wrote:

  I find it hard to believe that North Korea is missing out on all the fun.

  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:47 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

  It's interesting that the one country that is testing lots of people (South 
Korea) has had a death rate well under 1%.


  On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:27 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Corollary: we need to test lots of people, and get the infected ones to 
stay away from nursing homes, cruise ships and unprotected healthcare workers.



And given that kids seem to either not get it, or not get serious symptoms, 
I wonder if they are silently transmitting the virus.



It does seem so far like transmission within families is almost 100%.  Not 
sure how that would change if people were tested and then practiced recommended 
methods to avoid transmitting the virus.  Or if it’s too late by the time they 
know, at least for transmission within families in the same house.



The biggest puzzle for me is why the Chinese seem to be having such great 
success now controlling the new case rate.  It can’t JUST be the lockdown.  
It’s almost like they have a lot of people that have recovered without knowing 
they had it and are now immune, and that is blocking the virus from spreading 
so fast through a population that now has a certain percent are immune.  I 
believe I saw something about it stops when either 50% of the population has 
recovered and is immune, or a vaccine becomes available.  I don’t know if the 
50% number was just an example or a real number, but I think the idea was that 
an epidemic or pandemic needs a certain percentage of the population to be 
susceptible to sustain its spread.  The other way it stops is if it is so 
deadly that it kills its host before it can spread.  I guess SARS was kind of 
that way.  Plus with SARS you weren’t very contagious before you showed 
symptoms.  Fewer Typhoid Marys walking around.  Or taking Amtrak.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus



Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London School 
of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about how people 
should look at the coronavirus data.
One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a 
death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he said.
“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is 
plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably 
became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100 cases 
three weeks ago, in reality.”
“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have 
doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at 500 
cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”

My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a 
community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they have 
been infected. 

bp On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is 
to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait for 
a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with this 
reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.



  Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use 
the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a thermometer.



  And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  
Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?





  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus



  Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was 
in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"

  So that equates to "its here in town now"

  I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from 
her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the mean 
time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the hospital 
because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every germ known 
to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers, dirty filthy 
cesspools of disease.

  The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it 
home. Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Mathew Howard]

Perhaps they just immediately bury anybody that's infected...

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:52 AM  wrote:

> I find it hard to believe that North Korea is missing out on all the fun.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 9:47 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
> It's interesting that the one country that is testing lots of people
> (South Korea) has had a death rate well under 1%.
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:27 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Corollary: we need to test lots of people, and get the infected ones to
>> stay away from nursing homes, cruise ships and unprotected healthcare
>> workers.
>>
>>
>>
>> And given that kids seem to either not get it, or not get serious
>> symptoms, I wonder if they are silently transmitting the virus.
>>
>>
>>
>> It does seem so far like transmission within families is almost 100%.
>> Not sure how that would change if people were tested and then practiced
>> recommended methods to avoid transmitting the virus.  Or if it’s too late
>> by the time they know, at least for transmission within families in the
>> same house.
>>
>>
>>
>> The biggest puzzle for me is why the Chinese seem to be having such great
>> success now controlling the new case rate.  It can’t JUST be the lockdown.
>> It’s almost like they have a lot of people that have recovered without
>> knowing they had it and are now immune, and that is blocking the virus from
>> spreading so fast through a population that now has a certain percent are
>> immune.  I believe I saw something about it stops when either 50% of the
>> population has recovered and is immune, or a vaccine becomes available.  I
>> don’t know if the 50% number was just an example or a real number, but I
>> think the idea was that an epidemic or pandemic needs a certain percentage
>> of the population to be susceptible to sustain its spread.  The other way
>> it stops is if it is so deadly that it kills its host before it can
>> spread.  I guess SARS was kind of that way.  Plus with SARS you weren’t
>> very contagious before you showed symptoms.  Fewer Typhoid Marys walking
>> around.  Or taking Amtrak.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
>>
>> *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
>> School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
>> how people should look at the coronavirus data.*
>> *One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is
>> a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,”
>> he said.*
>> *“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is
>> plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably
>> became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100
>> cases three weeks ago, in reality.”*
>> *“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have
>> doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at
>> 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”*
>>
>> My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a
>> community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they
>> have been infected.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is
>> to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait
>> for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with
>> this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use
>> the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a
>> thermometer.
>>
>>
>>
>> And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.
>> Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was
>> in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"
>>
>> So that equates to "its here in town now"
>>
>> I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from
>> her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the
>> mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the
>> hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every
>> germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers,
>> dirty filthy cesspools of disease.
>>
>> The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it
>> home. Wifes on her own at the death 

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

[Josh Luthman]

Did you try new adapter plates or do you keep reusing the same pair?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 11:18 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Yes, I believe the P/N is N110082L126A (for 11 GHz).
>
>
>
> In the case of a Radiowaves or Commscope/Andrew antenna it might be
> possible to get a conversion kit to replace the adapter plate and feedtube,
> but this was an actual Trango brand antenna.  Plus the adapter just goes
> between the ODU/OMT and the dish, similar to Mark’s photos.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jon Langeler
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 7, 2020 7:38 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>
>
>
> Was there a special adapter required for the 820c on the trango antenna?
>
> Jon Langeler
>
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> We put 11 GHz 820C w/XPIC on existing Trango 3 ft dishes replacing single
> pol ApexPlus ODUs and everything went as expected.  I’d have to look up the
> details but I think it worked because Trango used Remec circular even with
> single pol except for 6 GHz.  We should have adjusted for best XPIC
> cancellation but instead we just made sure the ODUs were plumb.  But I
> think what we did was roughly the same as what you’re doing, so it should
> work.
>
>
>
> We got a couple bad 820S radios last year, failed the RF loopback test,
> but it sounds like you have pretty thoroughly verified it’s not bad radios.
>
>
>
> Were the Dragonwaves single or dual pol?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 9:37 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>
>
>
>
>
> We have installed a lot of Cambium 820C radios without much trouble.  Yes,
> the configuration takes some getting used to but we probably have 46 links
> working and installed, so it’s not like it’s our first rodeo configuring
> these things.
>
>
>
> And then we tried something new - reusing a 4’  Andrew Dragonwave antenna
> in a XPIC configuration.   We purchased the Cambium adapter plate that
> clips onto the antenna radio mount and presents the 820C mount for the OMT.
>   Take off the dual Horizon radio OMT, add the 820C and the RF signal is
> shit - in the -80’s from the mid 40’s.   Reverse the process and put the
> Horizon’s back on and the signal is fine.
>
>
>
> So we thought we had a bad 820C.   It’s happened before.  So we take two
> different sets of 820C’s and test them one at a time swapping them in for
> known good installed radios on working links.   The 820C’s are fine.
>
>
>
> Okay… we forgot to test the OMT's when we did that.   So we try the OMT’s
> in the shop - and they work fine.
>
>
>
> At this point the only thing left is the antennas themselves and the
> adapter plate.   The adapter plate is nothing more than a hole in a
> aluminum bushing with a couple of small steps to match diameter between the
> OMT and the antenna waveguide.   Pretty hard to screw up.
>
>
>
> We have a pair of Dragonwave antenna’s in the shop that we can mount all
> of this to and try here - and we can’t get a decent signal even 20’ apart.
>   I’m at a loss at this point.   The only part that doesn’t appear to work
> is the adapter plate - and there is nothing interesting about it.
>
>
>
> How the heck can this not work:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> I can’t buy that the alignment of the antenna would need to be adjusted.
> That makes no sense in my head.   Am I wrong in that assumption?
>
>
>
> Mark
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[chuck]

Ha!

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

So far the biggest vector seems to be Facebook.



bp


On 3/9/2020 8:34 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I actually have faith and trust in the WHO, CDC and local and state health 
departments.  This is the primary reason for them existing and they all have 
something to prove.  It is a big puzzle right now but we have the tools to 
figure out where it is coming from, how it is transmitted and how to control 
it.  We also have tools to produce a vaccine assuming it cannot mutate faster 
than we can vaccinate.  

  I hope those that get it are immune to it afterwards. 

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:27 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

  Corollary: we need to test lots of people, and get the infected ones to stay 
away from nursing homes, cruise ships and unprotected healthcare workers.

   

  And given that kids seem to either not get it, or not get serious symptoms, I 
wonder if they are silently transmitting the virus.

   

  It does seem so far like transmission within families is almost 100%.  Not 
sure how that would change if people were tested and then practiced recommended 
methods to avoid transmitting the virus.  Or if it’s too late by the time they 
know, at least for transmission within families in the same house.

   

  The biggest puzzle for me is why the Chinese seem to be having such great 
success now controlling the new case rate.  It can’t JUST be the lockdown.  
It’s almost like they have a lot of people that have recovered without knowing 
they had it and are now immune, and that is blocking the virus from spreading 
so fast through a population that now has a certain percent are immune.  I 
believe I saw something about it stops when either 50% of the population has 
recovered and is immune, or a vaccine becomes available.  I don’t know if the 
50% number was just an example or a real number, but I think the idea was that 
an epidemic or pandemic needs a certain percentage of the population to be 
susceptible to sustain its spread.  The other way it stops is if it is so 
deadly that it kills its host before it can spread.  I guess SARS was kind of 
that way.  Plus with SARS you weren’t very contagious before you showed 
symptoms.  Fewer Typhoid Marys walking around.  Or taking Amtrak.

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

   

  Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

  Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London School 
of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about how people 
should look at the coronavirus data.
  One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a 
death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he said.
  “Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is plausible,” 
he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably became ill 
about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100 cases three weeks 
ago, in reality.”
  “In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have 
doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at 500 
cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”

  My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a community, 
then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they have been 
infected. 

bp On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is 
to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait for 
a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with this 
reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.

 

Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use the 
hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a thermometer.

 

And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t 
you just get indoor plumbing last year?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was in 
the car behind this lady and we "exposed"

So that equates to "its here in town now"

I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from 
her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the mean 
time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the hospital 
because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every germ known 
to man into one place. Hospitals are 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[chuck]

I find it hard to believe that North Korea is missing out on all the fun.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

It's interesting that the one country that is testing lots of people (South 
Korea) has had a death rate well under 1%.


On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:27 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Corollary: we need to test lots of people, and get the infected ones to stay 
away from nursing homes, cruise ships and unprotected healthcare workers.



  And given that kids seem to either not get it, or not get serious symptoms, I 
wonder if they are silently transmitting the virus.



  It does seem so far like transmission within families is almost 100%.  Not 
sure how that would change if people were tested and then practiced recommended 
methods to avoid transmitting the virus.  Or if it’s too late by the time they 
know, at least for transmission within families in the same house.



  The biggest puzzle for me is why the Chinese seem to be having such great 
success now controlling the new case rate.  It can’t JUST be the lockdown.  
It’s almost like they have a lot of people that have recovered without knowing 
they had it and are now immune, and that is blocking the virus from spreading 
so fast through a population that now has a certain percent are immune.  I 
believe I saw something about it stops when either 50% of the population has 
recovered and is immune, or a vaccine becomes available.  I don’t know if the 
50% number was just an example or a real number, but I think the idea was that 
an epidemic or pandemic needs a certain percentage of the population to be 
susceptible to sustain its spread.  The other way it stops is if it is so 
deadly that it kills its host before it can spread.  I guess SARS was kind of 
that way.  Plus with SARS you weren’t very contagious before you showed 
symptoms.  Fewer Typhoid Marys walking around.  Or taking Amtrak.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus



  Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

  Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London School 
of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about how people 
should look at the coronavirus data.
  One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a 
death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he said.
  “Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is plausible,” 
he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably became ill 
about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100 cases three weeks 
ago, in reality.”
  “In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have 
doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at 500 
cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”

  My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a community, 
then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they have been 
infected. 

bp On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is 
to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait for 
a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with this 
reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.



Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use the 
hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a thermometer.



And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t 
you just get indoor plumbing last year?





From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus



Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was in 
the car behind this lady and we "exposed"

So that equates to "its here in town now"

I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from 
her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the mean 
time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the hospital 
because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every germ known 
to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers, dirty filthy 
cesspools of disease.

The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it home. 
Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback on cold 
viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of c. Diff.



On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

  Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:



  1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Bill Prince]

  
  
So far the biggest vector seems to be Facebook.


bp



On 3/9/2020 8:34 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  
  
  

  I actually have faith and trust in the WHO, CDC and local
and state health departments.  This is the primary reason
for them existing and they all have something to prove.  It
is a big puzzle right now but we have the tools to figure
out where it is coming from, how it is transmitted and how
to control it.  We also have tools to produce a vaccine
assuming it cannot mutate faster than we can vaccinate.  
   
  I hope those that get it are immune to it afterwards. 
  

   
  
From: Ken
Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:27 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
  

 
  
  

  Corollary: we need to test lots of
people, and get the infected ones to stay away from
nursing homes, cruise ships and unprotected healthcare
workers.
   
  And given that kids seem to either
not get it, or not get serious symptoms, I wonder if
they are silently transmitting the virus.
   
  It does seem so far like transmission
within families is almost 100%.  Not sure how that would
change if people were tested and then practiced
recommended methods to avoid transmitting the virus.  Or
if it’s too late by the time they know, at least for
transmission within families in the same house.
   
  The biggest puzzle for me is why the
Chinese seem to be having such great success now
controlling the new case rate.  It can’t JUST be the
lockdown.  It’s almost like they have a lot of people
that have recovered without knowing they had it and are
now immune, and that is blocking the virus from
spreading so fast through a population that now has a
certain percent are immune.  I believe I saw something
about it stops when either 50% of the population has
recovered and is immune, or a vaccine becomes
available.  I don’t know if the 50% number was just an
example or a real number, but I think the idea was that
an epidemic or pandemic needs a certain percentage of
the population to be susceptible to sustain its spread. 
The other way it stops is if it is so deadly that it
kills its host before it can spread.  I guess SARS was
kind of that way.  Plus with SARS you weren’t very
contagious before you showed symptoms.  Fewer Typhoid
Marys walking around.  Or taking Amtrak.
   
  

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Bill
Prince
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

  
   
  Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks
  for the London School of Hygiene and Tropical
  Medicine, recently talked to The Times about how
  people should look at the coronavirus data.
One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first
  case in an area is a death: “That suggests you had a
  lot of community transmission already,” he said.
“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1
  percent, which is plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve
  got a death, then that person probably became ill
  about three weeks ago. That means you probably had
  about 100 cases three weeks ago, in reality.”
“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that
  number could well have doubled, then doubled, then
  doubled again. So you’re currently looking at 500
  cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”
  My corollary on the above is that if we have that many
cases in a community, then a lot of people are running
around with no clue that they have been infected. 
  bp
  
   
  
On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Mathew Howard]

It's interesting that the one country that is testing lots of people (South
Korea) has had a death rate well under 1%.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:27 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Corollary: we need to test lots of people, and get the infected ones to
> stay away from nursing homes, cruise ships and unprotected healthcare
> workers.
>
>
>
> And given that kids seem to either not get it, or not get serious
> symptoms, I wonder if they are silently transmitting the virus.
>
>
>
> It does seem so far like transmission within families is almost 100%.  Not
> sure how that would change if people were tested and then practiced
> recommended methods to avoid transmitting the virus.  Or if it’s too late
> by the time they know, at least for transmission within families in the
> same house.
>
>
>
> The biggest puzzle for me is why the Chinese seem to be having such great
> success now controlling the new case rate.  It can’t JUST be the lockdown.
> It’s almost like they have a lot of people that have recovered without
> knowing they had it and are now immune, and that is blocking the virus from
> spreading so fast through a population that now has a certain percent are
> immune.  I believe I saw something about it stops when either 50% of the
> population has recovered and is immune, or a vaccine becomes available.  I
> don’t know if the 50% number was just an example or a real number, but I
> think the idea was that an epidemic or pandemic needs a certain percentage
> of the population to be susceptible to sustain its spread.  The other way
> it stops is if it is so deadly that it kills its host before it can
> spread.  I guess SARS was kind of that way.  Plus with SARS you weren’t
> very contagious before you showed symptoms.  Fewer Typhoid Marys walking
> around.  Or taking Amtrak.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
>
> *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
> School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
> how people should look at the coronavirus data.*
> *One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a
> death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he
> said.*
> *“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is
> plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably
> became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100
> cases three weeks ago, in reality.”*
> *“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have
> doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at
> 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”*
>
> My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a
> community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they
> have been infected.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is
> to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait
> for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with
> this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.
>
>
>
> Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use
> the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a
> thermometer.
>
>
>
> And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t
> you just get indoor plumbing last year?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was
> in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"
>
> So that equates to "its here in town now"
>
> I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from
> her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the
> mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the
> hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every
> germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers,
> dirty filthy cesspools of disease.
>
> The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it home.
> Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback on
> cold viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of c.
> Diff.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:
>
>
>
> 1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital with
> something looking like nCov and which got tested.   We don't currently know
> how many people have it but didn't 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[chuck]

I actually have faith and trust in the WHO, CDC and local and state health 
departments.  This is the primary reason for them existing and they all have 
something to prove.  It is a big puzzle right now but we have the tools to 
figure out where it is coming from, how it is transmitted and how to control 
it.  We also have tools to produce a vaccine assuming it cannot mutate faster 
than we can vaccinate.  

I hope those that get it are immune to it afterwards. 

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 9:27 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

Corollary: we need to test lots of people, and get the infected ones to stay 
away from nursing homes, cruise ships and unprotected healthcare workers.

 

And given that kids seem to either not get it, or not get serious symptoms, I 
wonder if they are silently transmitting the virus.

 

It does seem so far like transmission within families is almost 100%.  Not sure 
how that would change if people were tested and then practiced recommended 
methods to avoid transmitting the virus.  Or if it’s too late by the time they 
know, at least for transmission within families in the same house.

 

The biggest puzzle for me is why the Chinese seem to be having such great 
success now controlling the new case rate.  It can’t JUST be the lockdown.  
It’s almost like they have a lot of people that have recovered without knowing 
they had it and are now immune, and that is blocking the virus from spreading 
so fast through a population that now has a certain percent are immune.  I 
believe I saw something about it stops when either 50% of the population has 
recovered and is immune, or a vaccine becomes available.  I don’t know if the 
50% number was just an example or a real number, but I think the idea was that 
an epidemic or pandemic needs a certain percentage of the population to be 
susceptible to sustain its spread.  The other way it stops is if it is so 
deadly that it kills its host before it can spread.  I guess SARS was kind of 
that way.  Plus with SARS you weren’t very contagious before you showed 
symptoms.  Fewer Typhoid Marys walking around.  Or taking Amtrak.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London School of 
Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about how people 
should look at the coronavirus data.
One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a 
death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he said.
“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is plausible,” 
he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably became ill 
about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100 cases three weeks 
ago, in reality.”
“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have 
doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at 500 
cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”

My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a community, 
then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they have been 
infected. 

bp On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is to 
flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait for a 
vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with this 
reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.

   

  Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use the 
hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a thermometer.

   

  And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t 
you just get indoor plumbing last year?

   

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

   

  Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was in 
the car behind this lady and we "exposed"

  So that equates to "its here in town now"

  I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from her 
gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the mean time 
everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the hospital because 
theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every germ known to man 
into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers, dirty filthy cesspools 
of disease.

  The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it home. 
Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback on cold 
viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of c. Diff.

   

  On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Ken Hohhof]

Corollary: we need to test lots of people, and get the infected ones to stay 
away from nursing homes, cruise ships and unprotected healthcare workers.

 

And given that kids seem to either not get it, or not get serious symptoms, I 
wonder if they are silently transmitting the virus.

 

It does seem so far like transmission within families is almost 100%.  Not sure 
how that would change if people were tested and then practiced recommended 
methods to avoid transmitting the virus.  Or if it’s too late by the time they 
know, at least for transmission within families in the same house.

 

The biggest puzzle for me is why the Chinese seem to be having such great 
success now controlling the new case rate.  It can’t JUST be the lockdown.  
It’s almost like they have a lot of people that have recovered without knowing 
they had it and are now immune, and that is blocking the virus from spreading 
so fast through a population that now has a certain percent are immune.  I 
believe I saw something about it stops when either 50% of the population has 
recovered and is immune, or a vaccine becomes available.  I don’t know if the 
50% number was just an example or a real number, but I think the idea was that 
an epidemic or pandemic needs a certain percentage of the population to be 
susceptible to sustain its spread.  The other way it stops is if it is so 
deadly that it kills its host before it can spread.  I guess SARS was kind of 
that way.  Plus with SARS you weren’t very contagious before you showed 
symptoms.  Fewer Typhoid Marys walking around.  Or taking Amtrak.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:

Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London School of 
Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about how people 
should look at the coronavirus data.
One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a 
death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he said.
“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is plausible,” 
he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably became ill 
about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100 cases three weeks 
ago, in reality.”
“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have 
doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at 500 
cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”

My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a community, 
then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they have been 
infected. 

bp

 

On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is to 
flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait for a 
vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with this 
reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.

 

Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use the 
hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a thermometer.

 

And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t you 
just get indoor plumbing last year?

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was in the 
car behind this lady and we "exposed"

So that equates to "its here in town now"

I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from her 
gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the mean time 
everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the hospital because 
theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every germ known to man 
into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers, dirty filthy cesspools 
of disease.

The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it home. 
Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback on cold 
viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of c. Diff.

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:

 

1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital with 
something looking like nCov and which got tested.   We don't currently know how 
many people have it but didn't get tested and as such isn't counted as an 
infected person.   As we improve our testing ability, we'll find more cases 
which aren't hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases, pushing the 
rate lower.

 

2) Because we are testing more we'll also be able to tell that some of 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Mathew Howard]

I read that half of the people on the Diamond Princess cruise ship that
tested positive for the virus didn't have symptoms... if that's true, and
those people are able to spread it, there are almost certainly a LOT of
people running around with it. That also means that the death rate is
probably way, way lower than we've been made to believe.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:13 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick,
> of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of
> the remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and
> standard outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably
> 10,000 people got the flu, and 100 of them died
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
>>
>> *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
>> School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
>> how people should look at the coronavirus data.*
>> *One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is
>> a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,”
>> he said.*
>> *“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is
>> plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably
>> became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100
>> cases three weeks ago, in reality.”*
>> *“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have
>> doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at
>> 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”*
>>
>> My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a
>> community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they
>> have been infected.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is
>> to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait
>> for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with
>> this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use
>> the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a
>> thermometer.
>>
>>
>>
>> And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.
>> Didn’t you just get indoor plumbing last year?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was
>> in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"
>>
>> So that equates to "its here in town now"
>>
>> I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from
>> her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the
>> mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the
>> hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every
>> germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers,
>> dirty filthy cesspools of disease.
>>
>> The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it
>> home. Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback
>> on cold viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of
>> c. Diff.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital with
>> something looking like nCov and which got tested.   We don't currently know
>> how many people have it but didn't get tested and as such isn't counted as
>> an infected person.   As we improve our testing ability, we'll find more
>> cases which aren't hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases,
>> pushing the rate lower.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) Because we are testing more we'll also be able to tell that some of
>> the cases that we aren't attributing to nCov are actually nCov cases,
>> pushing the rate higher.
>>
>>
>>
>> Does that describe what you're saying?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>> More people being tested means two things:
>>
>> 1) the death rate goes way down
>> 2) the death rate goes way up, because we currently have folks dying of
>> pneumonia that wasn’t the flu.
>>
>> > On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm  going  to  Disney  World this coming Friday.  Went into town this
>> > weekend, stopped  by  5-6  stores including lunch out.  I have an
>> > employee going on a cruise next week.
>> >
>> > We have 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I think you're off by a factor of 10 on the flu deaths. Flu death
  rate is roughly .1%, so that would be about 10 per 10,000.


bp



On 3/9/2020 8:11 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


  
  Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even
know they were sick, of that remaining 750 probably 650 thought
they had the flu or a cold. of the remaining 100, most of them
were elderly or otherwise infirm and standard outcomes would
apply. In the mean time, in that area probably 10,000 people got
the flu, and 100 of them died
  
  
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01
  AM Bill Prince  wrote:


  
Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
  
  Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks
for the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine,
recently talked to The Times about how people should
look at the coronavirus data.
  One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first
case in an area is a death: “That suggests you had a lot
of community transmission already,” he said.
  “Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1
percent, which is plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve
got a death, then that person probably became ill about
three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100
cases three weeks ago, in reality.”
  “In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that
number could well have doubled, then doubled, then
doubled again. So you’re currently looking at 500 cases,
maybe 1,000 cases.”
My corollary on the above is that if we have that many
  cases in a community, then a lot of people are running
  around with no clue that they have been infected. 

bp



On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
We have moved from containment to
  community mitigation, where the goal is to flatten the
  curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and
  wait for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has
  not quite caught up with this reality, but if you
  listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.
 
Those of you going to WISPAmerica,
  stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use the hand
  sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe
  take a thermometer.
 
And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to
  hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t you just get
  indoor plumbing last year?
 
 
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
 

  Well, my worst nightmare has hit.
Turns out a lady from here in town was in the car
behind this lady and we "exposed"
  
So that equates to "its here in
  town now"
  
  
I already talked to the OB
  about this. The wifes having the baby cut from her
  gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos
  hospital. In the mean time everybody and their
  brother is going to be comimg out to the hospital
  because theyre certain they have the deaths.
  Theyre bringing every germ known to man into one
  place. Hospitals are already infection centers,
  dirty filthy cesspools of disease.
  
  
The baby technically only has
  to be there 24 hours, and im taking it home. Wifes
  on her own at the death center. Herpes will be
  riding bareback on cold viruses after inbreeding
  with mersa and riding through a puddle of c. Diff.
  

 

  
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM
  Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  wrote:
  
  

  Let me see If I can agree
with what I think you're saying:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Steve Jones]

Id agree there, of the 1000 probably 250 didnt even know they were sick, of
that remaining 750 probably 650 thought they had the flu or a cold. of the
remaining 100, most of them were elderly or otherwise infirm and standard
outcomes would apply. In the mean time, in that area probably 10,000 people
got the flu, and 100 of them died

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
>
> *Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the London
> School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked to The Times about
> how people should look at the coronavirus data.*
> *One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an area is a
> death: “That suggests you had a lot of community transmission already,” he
> said.*
> *“Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which is
> plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that person probably
> became ill about three weeks ago. That means you probably had about 100
> cases three weeks ago, in reality.”*
> *“In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could well have
> doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re currently looking at
> 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”*
>
> My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a
> community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue that they
> have been infected.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is
> to flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait
> for a vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with
> this reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.
>
>
>
> Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use
> the hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a
> thermometer.
>
>
>
> And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t
> you just get indoor plumbing last year?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
>
>
>
> Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was
> in the car behind this lady and we "exposed"
>
> So that equates to "its here in town now"
>
> I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from
> her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the
> mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the
> hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every
> germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers,
> dirty filthy cesspools of disease.
>
> The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it home.
> Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback on
> cold viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of c.
> Diff.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:
>
>
>
> 1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital with
> something looking like nCov and which got tested.   We don't currently know
> how many people have it but didn't get tested and as such isn't counted as
> an infected person.   As we improve our testing ability, we'll find more
> cases which aren't hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases,
> pushing the rate lower.
>
>
>
> 2) Because we are testing more we'll also be able to tell that some of the
> cases that we aren't attributing to nCov are actually nCov cases, pushing
> the rate higher.
>
>
>
> Does that describe what you're saying?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> More people being tested means two things:
>
> 1) the death rate goes way down
> 2) the death rate goes way up, because we currently have folks dying of
> pneumonia that wasn’t the flu.
>
> > On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm  going  to  Disney  World this coming Friday.  Went into town this
> > weekend, stopped  by  5-6  stores including lunch out.  I have an
> > employee going on a cruise next week.
> >
> > We have had two confirmed cases in our county.
> >
> > It is what it is, I'm not going to hide under a rock.  Let's keep this
> > in  perspective.   Currently the total infection rate per 1 million in
> > the  US  is  1.6.   S. Korea has the highest infection rate at 144 per
> > million.   That  infection  rate  not  death rate.  Death rate is even
> > lower.
> >
> > If you are under 50 years old, your death chances are under 0.5%.
> >
> > It  is  going to go up.  Now that both Quest Labs and Labcorp are both
> > doing  testing,  more  people  will  get  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Interesting tidbit from the NYT this morning:
  
  Adam Kucharski, who studies the math behind outbreaks for the
London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, recently talked
to The Times about how people should look at the coronavirus
data.
  One signal Dr. Kucharski looks for is when the first case in an
area is a death: “That suggests you had a lot of community
transmission already,” he said.
  “Suppose the fatality rate for cases is about 1 percent, which
is plausible,” he explained. “If you’ve got a death, then that
person probably became ill about three weeks ago. That means you
probably had about 100 cases three weeks ago, in reality.”
  “In that subsequent three weeks,” he added, “that number could
well have doubled, then doubled, then doubled again. So you’re
currently looking at 500 cases, maybe 1,000 cases.”
My corollary on the above is that if we have that many cases in a
  community, then a lot of people are running around with no clue
  that they have been infected. 

bp



On 3/9/2020 6:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
We have moved from containment to community
  mitigation, where the goal is to flatten the curve and avoid
  overloading the healthcare system, and wait for a vaccine (no,
  not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with this
  reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure
  it out.
 
Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay
  safe.  Wash your hands, and use the hand sanitizer that I
  assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a thermometer.
 
And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear
  that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t you just get indoor
  plumbing last year?
 
 
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Steve
  Jones
  Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus
 

  Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns
out a lady from here in town was in the car behind this lady
and we "exposed"
  
So that equates to "its here in town
  now"
  
  
I already talked to the OB about this.
  The wifes having the baby cut from her gut on the 18th
  which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the mean
  time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out
  to the hospital because theyre certain they have the
  deaths. Theyre bringing every germ known to man into one
  place. Hospitals are already infection centers, dirty
  filthy cesspools of disease.
  
  
The baby technically only has to be
  there 24 hours, and im taking it home. Wifes on her own at
  the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback on cold
  viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a
  puddle of c. Diff.
  

 

  
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest
  Christian (List Account) 
  wrote:
  
  

  Let me see If I can agree with what I
think you're saying:
  
 
  
  
1) Currently we're pre-selecting
  for people who are in a hospital with something
  looking like nCov and which got tested.   We don't
  currently know how many people have it but didn't get
  tested and as such isn't counted as an infected
  person.   As we improve our testing ability, we'll
  find more cases which aren't hospitalization (and
  possible subsequent death) cases, pushing the rate
  lower.
  
  
 
  
  
2) Because we are testing more
  we'll also be able to tell that some of the cases that
  we aren't attributing to nCov are actually nCov cases,
  pushing the rate higher.
  
  
 
  
  
Does that describe what you're
  saying?
  
  
 
  
  
 
  

 

  
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Matt
  Hoppes 
  wrote:
  
  
More people 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Ken Hohhof]

We have moved from containment to community mitigation, where the goal is to 
flatten the curve and avoid overloading the healthcare system, and wait for a 
vaccine (no, not imminent).  Messaging has not quite caught up with this 
reality, but if you listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci you can figure it out.

 

Those of you going to WISPAmerica, stay safe.  Wash your hands, and use the 
hand sanitizer that I assume will be everywhere.  Maybe take a thermometer.

 

And Steve, I’m shocked, shocked to hear that your town has Amtrak.  Didn’t you 
just get indoor plumbing last year?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 7:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

 

Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was in the 
car behind this lady and we "exposed"

So that equates to "its here in town now"

I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from her 
gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the mean time 
everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the hospital because 
theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every germ known to man 
into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers, dirty filthy cesspools 
of disease.

The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it home. 
Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback on cold 
viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of c. Diff.

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:

 

1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital with 
something looking like nCov and which got tested.   We don't currently know how 
many people have it but didn't get tested and as such isn't counted as an 
infected person.   As we improve our testing ability, we'll find more cases 
which aren't hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases, pushing the 
rate lower.

 

2) Because we are testing more we'll also be able to tell that some of the 
cases that we aren't attributing to nCov are actually nCov cases, pushing the 
rate higher.

 

Does that describe what you're saying?

 

 

 

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

More people being tested means two things:

1) the death rate goes way down
2) the death rate goes way up, because we currently have folks dying of 
pneumonia that wasn’t the flu. 

> On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies   > wrote:
> 
> I'm  going  to  Disney  World this coming Friday.  Went into town this
> weekend, stopped  by  5-6  stores including lunch out.  I have an
> employee going on a cruise next week.
> 
> We have had two confirmed cases in our county.
> 
> It is what it is, I'm not going to hide under a rock.  Let's keep this
> in  perspective.   Currently the total infection rate per 1 million in
> the  US  is  1.6.   S. Korea has the highest infection rate at 144 per
> million.   That  infection  rate  not  death rate.  Death rate is even
> lower.
> 
> If you are under 50 years old, your death chances are under 0.5%.  
> 
> It  is  going to go up.  Now that both Quest Labs and Labcorp are both
> doing  testing,  more  people  will  get  tested.  More people getting
> tested, means more people being counted as a case.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>  
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com  
> 
> --
> 
> Sunday, March 8, 2020, 9:51:23 PM, you wrote:
> 
> MH> You’re really making light of this serious situation aren’t you?
> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Steve Jones >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> --216fbc05a061e421
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>> 
>>> welp, guys, was nice knowing you. An amtrak train had apparently stopped in
>>> my town with an infected passenger. Thats the end of that. Already took the
>>> family out to the garden and put them down, now I just wait for sweet death.
>>> 
 On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Howard >>>  > wrote:
 
 Might want to switch to peeing on them to avoid spreading anything.
 According to the news stories droplets of saliva and rubbing your eyes are
 the ways it gets spread.  Urine might give you even more dominance than
 spit anyway.
 
 
 
 *From:* A
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Matt Hoppes]

Correct. It could go either way. 

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:
> 
> 1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital with 
> something looking like nCov and which got tested.   We don't currently know 
> how many people have it but didn't get tested and as such isn't counted as an 
> infected person.   As we improve our testing ability, we'll find more cases 
> which aren't hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases, pushing 
> the rate lower.
> 
> 2) Because we are testing more we'll also be able to tell that some of the 
> cases that we aren't attributing to nCov are actually nCov cases, pushing the 
> rate higher.
> 
> Does that describe what you're saying?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> More people being tested means two things:
>> 
>> 1) the death rate goes way down
>> 2) the death rate goes way up, because we currently have folks dying of 
>> pneumonia that wasn’t the flu. 
>> 
>> > On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > I'm  going  to  Disney  World this coming Friday.  Went into town this
>> > weekend, stopped  by  5-6  stores including lunch out.  I have an
>> > employee going on a cruise next week.
>> > 
>> > We have had two confirmed cases in our county.
>> > 
>> > It is what it is, I'm not going to hide under a rock.  Let's keep this
>> > in  perspective.   Currently the total infection rate per 1 million in
>> > the  US  is  1.6.   S. Korea has the highest infection rate at 144 per
>> > million.   That  infection  rate  not  death rate.  Death rate is even
>> > lower.
>> > 
>> > If you are under 50 years old, your death chances are under 0.5%.  
>> > 
>> > It  is  going to go up.  Now that both Quest Labs and Labcorp are both
>> > doing  testing,  more  people  will  get  tested.  More people getting
>> > tested, means more people being counted as a case.
>> > 
>> > --
>> > Best regards,
>> > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>> > 
>> > Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> > www.Myakka.com
>> > 
>> > --
>> > 
>> > Sunday, March 8, 2020, 9:51:23 PM, you wrote:
>> > 
>> > MH> You’re really making light of this serious situation aren’t you?
>> > 
>> >>> On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Steve Jones  
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> --216fbc05a061e421
>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>> 
>> >>> welp, guys, was nice knowing you. An amtrak train had apparently stopped 
>> >>> in
>> >>> my town with an infected passenger. Thats the end of that. Already took 
>> >>> the
>> >>> family out to the garden and put them down, now I just wait for sweet 
>> >>> death.
>> >>> 
>>  On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>  
>>  Might want to switch to peeing on them to avoid spreading anything.
>>  According to the news stories droplets of saliva and rubbing your eyes 
>>  are
>>  the ways it gets spread.  Urine might give you even more dominance than
>>  spit anyway.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  *From:* A
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > AF mailing list
>> > AF@af.afmug.com
>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Steve Jones]

Well, my worst nightmare has hit. Turns out a lady from here in town was in
the car behind this lady and we "exposed"
So that equates to "its here in town now"
I already talked to the OB about this. The wifes having the baby cut from
her gut on the 18th which has a 3 day recovery in thos hospital. In the
mean time everybody and their brother is going to be comimg out to the
hospital because theyre certain they have the deaths. Theyre bringing every
germ known to man into one place. Hospitals are already infection centers,
dirty filthy cesspools of disease.
The baby technically only has to be there 24 hours, and im taking it home.
Wifes on her own at the death center. Herpes will be riding bareback on
cold viruses after inbreeding with mersa and riding through a puddle of c.
Diff.

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 6:46 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:
>
> 1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital with
> something looking like nCov and which got tested.   We don't currently know
> how many people have it but didn't get tested and as such isn't counted as
> an infected person.   As we improve our testing ability, we'll find more
> cases which aren't hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases,
> pushing the rate lower.
>
> 2) Because we are testing more we'll also be able to tell that some of the
> cases that we aren't attributing to nCov are actually nCov cases, pushing
> the rate higher.
>
> Does that describe what you're saying?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> More people being tested means two things:
>>
>> 1) the death rate goes way down
>> 2) the death rate goes way up, because we currently have folks dying of
>> pneumonia that wasn’t the flu.
>>
>> > On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm  going  to  Disney  World this coming Friday.  Went into town this
>> > weekend, stopped  by  5-6  stores including lunch out.  I have an
>> > employee going on a cruise next week.
>> >
>> > We have had two confirmed cases in our county.
>> >
>> > It is what it is, I'm not going to hide under a rock.  Let's keep this
>> > in  perspective.   Currently the total infection rate per 1 million in
>> > the  US  is  1.6.   S. Korea has the highest infection rate at 144 per
>> > million.   That  infection  rate  not  death rate.  Death rate is even
>> > lower.
>> >
>> > If you are under 50 years old, your death chances are under 0.5%.
>> >
>> > It  is  going to go up.  Now that both Quest Labs and Labcorp are both
>> > doing  testing,  more  people  will  get  tested.  More people getting
>> > tested, means more people being counted as a case.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Best regards,
>> > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>> >
>> > Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> > www.Myakka.com
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Sunday, March 8, 2020, 9:51:23 PM, you wrote:
>> >
>> > MH> You’re really making light of this serious situation aren’t you?
>> >
>> >>> On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> --216fbc05a061e421
>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>>
>> >>> welp, guys, was nice knowing you. An amtrak train had apparently
>> stopped in
>> >>> my town with an infected passenger. Thats the end of that. Already
>> took the
>> >>> family out to the garden and put them down, now I just wait for sweet
>> death.
>> >>>
>>  On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Howard 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Might want to switch to peeing on them to avoid spreading anything.
>>  According to the news stories droplets of saliva and rubbing your
>> eyes are
>>  the ways it gets spread.  Urine might give you even more dominance
>> than
>>  spit anyway.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  *From:* A
>> >
>> >
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>> > AF mailing list
>> > AF@af.afmug.com
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>>
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>>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Let me see If I can agree with what I think you're saying:

1) Currently we're pre-selecting for people who are in a hospital with
something looking like nCov and which got tested.   We don't currently know
how many people have it but didn't get tested and as such isn't counted as
an infected person.   As we improve our testing ability, we'll find more
cases which aren't hospitalization (and possible subsequent death) cases,
pushing the rate lower.

2) Because we are testing more we'll also be able to tell that some of the
cases that we aren't attributing to nCov are actually nCov cases, pushing
the rate higher.

Does that describe what you're saying?



On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> More people being tested means two things:
>
> 1) the death rate goes way down
> 2) the death rate goes way up, because we currently have folks dying of
> pneumonia that wasn’t the flu.
>
> > On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm  going  to  Disney  World this coming Friday.  Went into town this
> > weekend, stopped  by  5-6  stores including lunch out.  I have an
> > employee going on a cruise next week.
> >
> > We have had two confirmed cases in our county.
> >
> > It is what it is, I'm not going to hide under a rock.  Let's keep this
> > in  perspective.   Currently the total infection rate per 1 million in
> > the  US  is  1.6.   S. Korea has the highest infection rate at 144 per
> > million.   That  infection  rate  not  death rate.  Death rate is even
> > lower.
> >
> > If you are under 50 years old, your death chances are under 0.5%.
> >
> > It  is  going to go up.  Now that both Quest Labs and Labcorp are both
> > doing  testing,  more  people  will  get  tested.  More people getting
> > tested, means more people being counted as a case.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
> >
> > Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> > www.Myakka.com
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sunday, March 8, 2020, 9:51:23 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > MH> You’re really making light of this serious situation aren’t you?
> >
> >>> On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> --216fbc05a061e421
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>>
> >>> welp, guys, was nice knowing you. An amtrak train had apparently
> stopped in
> >>> my town with an infected passenger. Thats the end of that. Already
> took the
> >>> family out to the garden and put them down, now I just wait for sweet
> death.
> >>>
>  On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Howard 
> wrote:
> 
>  Might want to switch to peeing on them to avoid spreading anything.
>  According to the news stories droplets of saliva and rubbing your
> eyes are
>  the ways it gets spread.  Urine might give you even more dominance
> than
>  spit anyway.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

[Matt Hoppes]

More people being tested means two things:

1) the death rate goes way down
2) the death rate goes way up, because we currently have folks dying of 
pneumonia that wasn’t the flu. 

> On Mar 8, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm  going  to  Disney  World this coming Friday.  Went into town this
> weekend, stopped  by  5-6  stores including lunch out.  I have an
> employee going on a cruise next week.
> 
> We have had two confirmed cases in our county.
> 
> It is what it is, I'm not going to hide under a rock.  Let's keep this
> in  perspective.   Currently the total infection rate per 1 million in
> the  US  is  1.6.   S. Korea has the highest infection rate at 144 per
> million.   That  infection  rate  not  death rate.  Death rate is even
> lower.
> 
> If you are under 50 years old, your death chances are under 0.5%.  
> 
> It  is  going to go up.  Now that both Quest Labs and Labcorp are both
> doing  testing,  more  people  will  get  tested.  More people getting
> tested, means more people being counted as a case.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
> 
> --
> 
> Sunday, March 8, 2020, 9:51:23 PM, you wrote:
> 
> MH> You’re really making light of this serious situation aren’t you?
> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>>> 
>>> --216fbc05a061e421
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>> 
>>> welp, guys, was nice knowing you. An amtrak train had apparently stopped in
>>> my town with an infected passenger. Thats the end of that. Already took the
>>> family out to the garden and put them down, now I just wait for sweet death.
>>> 
 On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM James Howard  wrote:
 
 Might want to switch to peeing on them to avoid spreading anything.
 According to the news stories droplets of saliva and rubbing your eyes are
 the ways it gets spread.  Urine might give you even more dominance than
 spit anyway.
 
 
 
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> 
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