Re: [AFMUG] utility outage notifications

[Adam Moffett]

My philosophy now is that I should have 12+ hours of battery power, and 
enough smarts on the network to know that the AC power is off or on.  
Then when I start to get alerts I have lots of time to figure out what's 
going on and plenty of time to deal with it.


I wish I had a more direct answer to the original question, but I don't 
think there is one.  As a tenant at a site, I do like to make note of 
the meter number so I can call the elec co and ask if there's a known 
outage, and/or report an outage if I know about it.



On 3/11/2021 9:03 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
For quick and easy monitoring of lower-priority sites (e.g. relatives' 
homes) I recommend putting a static IP on their CPE and allowing 
pings, and making a free account on a site such as 
https://uptimerobot.com/pricing/  . 
If either the internet or power goes out, you get an email within 5 
minutes. You can also setup additional monitoring to differentiate 
those causes by putting the CPE on a UPS and putting a simple NATed 
web server behind it (not on UPS).


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 7:42 PM Andrew Haninger > wrote:


My electric company installed a smart meter on my house a few
years ago. I get an email when the power is out and another when
it comes back on. Not terribly useful when I'm home all the time,
but I've been wishing I could get the same email when my parents'
power goes out, too. We live in the same city, but different areas.

Maybe a battery-powered Pi that you can also plug in to mains and
it will send the email when it switches to battery. Probably also
want an LTE modem in case the internet goes out at the same time.

Andy


On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 13:48 Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

If you have your own meter you might get a notification.  Not
sure I'd depend on it.

We have meters with both providers that have our area in
multiple locations.  Sometimes we get a heads up, most of the
time we don't (referring to planned events, outages I get a
call many hours after it gets fixed).

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:23 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

We dont run our own meters, power is built in to leases so
we dont have account numbers with the power utilities. Is
there a place we can register for alerts on regional outages?
an example is right now one of our sites that has a bad
UPS thats replacement is on order. It went down a bit ago
and looking on the providers outage map, its a planned
outage for tree trimming. We could have planned around that.

I have notifications for my home account with ComEd and
its nice, I know when my power goes out and get the ETA
notices as they update them
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Re: [AFMUG] utility outage notifications

[Colin Stanners]

For quick and easy monitoring of lower-priority sites (e.g. relatives'
homes) I recommend putting a static IP on their CPE and allowing pings, and
making a free account on a site such as https://uptimerobot.com/pricing/ .
If either the internet or power goes out, you get an email within 5
minutes. You can also setup additional monitoring to differentiate those
causes by putting the CPE on a UPS and putting a simple NATed web server
behind it (not on UPS).

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 7:42 PM Andrew Haninger  wrote:

> My electric company installed a smart meter on my house a few years ago. I
> get an email when the power is out and another when it comes back on. Not
> terribly useful when I'm home all the time, but I've been wishing I could
> get the same email when my parents' power goes out, too. We live in the
> same city, but different areas.
>
> Maybe a battery-powered Pi that you can also plug in to mains and it will
> send the email when it switches to battery. Probably also want an LTE modem
> in case the internet goes out at the same time.
>
> Andy
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 13:48 Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> If you have your own meter you might get a notification.  Not sure I'd
>> depend on it.
>>
>> We have meters with both providers that have our area in multiple
>> locations.  Sometimes we get a heads up, most of the time we don't
>> (referring to planned events, outages I get a call many hours after it gets
>> fixed).
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:23 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We dont run our own meters, power is built in to leases so we dont have
>>> account numbers with the power utilities. Is there a place we can register
>>> for alerts on regional outages?
>>> an example is right now one of our sites that has a bad UPS thats
>>> replacement is on order. It went down a bit ago and looking on the
>>> providers outage map, its a planned outage for tree trimming. We could have
>>> planned around that.
>>>
>>> I have notifications for my home account with ComEd and its nice, I know
>>> when my power goes out and get the ETA notices as they update them
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Re: [AFMUG] utility outage notifications

[Andrew Haninger]

My electric company installed a smart meter on my house a few years ago. I
get an email when the power is out and another when it comes back on. Not
terribly useful when I'm home all the time, but I've been wishing I could
get the same email when my parents' power goes out, too. We live in the
same city, but different areas.

Maybe a battery-powered Pi that you can also plug in to mains and it will
send the email when it switches to battery. Probably also want an LTE modem
in case the internet goes out at the same time.

Andy


On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 13:48 Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> If you have your own meter you might get a notification.  Not sure I'd
> depend on it.
>
> We have meters with both providers that have our area in multiple
> locations.  Sometimes we get a heads up, most of the time we don't
> (referring to planned events, outages I get a call many hours after it gets
> fixed).
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 12:23 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> We dont run our own meters, power is built in to leases so we dont have
>> account numbers with the power utilities. Is there a place we can register
>> for alerts on regional outages?
>> an example is right now one of our sites that has a bad UPS thats
>> replacement is on order. It went down a bit ago and looking on the
>> providers outage map, its a planned outage for tree trimming. We could have
>> planned around that.
>>
>> I have notifications for my home account with ComEd and its nice, I know
>> when my power goes out and get the ETA notices as they update them
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Re: [AFMUG] good inexpensive OTDR

[Dev]

I’m wondering how often you’d really need CWDM wavelengths to traverse 
splitters, or whether you can mostly get by with 1310/1550? It would save a ton 
of money.

> On Mar 11, 2021, at 6:15 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Our cheap China one seems to be OK. After the launch cable was purchased, it 
> definitely works for where we tested it.  We have not had to locate any 
> damage.
> 
> We use it as a VFL pretty frequently.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 7:18 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  > wrote:
> We have a $1000 one from china. It works well enough. 
> 
> We have located every fault we ever needed to find with it. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT 5G Evolution capable smartphone
> 
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>>
> Date: 3/10/21 6:14 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: AF@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] good inexpensive OTDR
> 
> I’m seeing prices for about $7600, seems like a lot. I’m guessing you can get 
> a cheap Chinese one somewhere, but are they workable or flaming piles of junk?
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Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

[Jaime Solorza]

Nice write up

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 3:42 PM Aeron Wireless  wrote:

> https://mimosa.co/blog/deploying-a-diversity-link
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 5:35 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> id considered something like this but to make it a functional thing it
>> would have to monitor the two radios and turn up or down a port based on
>> better performing system. the guy with the two radios doesnt complain,
>> prefers to not have to wait on us to come move it up to the roof or down to
>> the post. its cheaper than a truck roll twice a year.
>>
>> but to the original question, a ground reflected wavelength to a
>> parabolic antenna, is that reflected off the top half of the dish into the
>> feedhorn?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 4:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Since none of the PMP vendors have a space diversity option, I wonder
>>> about just putting up two radios and bonding them at the ethernet level.
>>> If it is multipath fading, both radios should not be faded at the same
>>> time.  Would OSPF or RSTP or EIGRP be able to deal with this scenario?
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:44 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector
>>>
>>> this is one that was part of a group of similar issues. We had one that
>>> is white paper level multipath. I can tell you the day and time they start
>>> the harvest across the street and the time they finish it. that one we
>>> ended up just installing 2 radios and they swap power supplies twice a
>>> year.
>>>
>>> this one is facing west and looking at it the dips begin sharply around
>>> 4pm the last week, around noon the week before. thats about the time it
>>> starts to cool back down, not that its all that warm. its muddy fields so
>>> the surface is soggier in the day, firms up more when it cools. yesterday
>>> was super windy and it didnt do it, probably the soil is dryer.
>>>
>>> IIRC i have her radio right now peaking over the ridge of the roof from
>>> her tower.
>>>
>>> Im planning on going out and putting it on a 12 foot post to halve the
>>> fresnel, sable marginal is better than unstable marginal.
>>>
>>> the first guy i mentioned here is actually a pretty cool case. this
>>> general region is super high iron content in the soil, we have another area
>>> this is really common and their soil samples are really high as well, i
>>> dont know if iron oxide is more reflective han dirt dirt or if certain
>>> circumstances make it that way. or could be whatever causes the soil to be
>>> more iron rich causes it. or soil content could have nothing to do with it.
>>> I had gotten the sample results from a soil testing joint thats a customer,
>>> thought i could figure it out but its one of those things somebody smarter
>>> than me could probably figure out.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 3:23 PM Brian Webster 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Doe this customer have the issue at a certain time of the day? Maybe
 around sunrise or sunset. It may be possible that it’s not multipath but at
 certain times of the year the antenna has a good path to picking up noise
 from the sun and that could be stronger than your AP signal? This usually
 is exhibited on paths that have an East/West orientation. Depending on the
 gain of the antenna it can be worse than others. Think of the sun either
 just above the horizon at sunrise or sunset and the focal beam on the
 antenna is such that it picks up that noise enough to be stronger than the
 AP. Depending on the time of year, tilt angle of the Earth etc., it looks
 like a seasonal issue.



 Thank you,

 Brian Webster

 www.wirelessmapping.com



 *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2021 1:36 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector



 our APs sit between 90 and 110 feet on average in flat terrain so we
 deal with alot of seasonal ground reflectivity issues. We have this one
 customer presenting again with whats probably multipath fading, I had tried
 putting a shield on the bottom half of the reflector once out of curiosity.
 It didnt do much

 what im wondering though is how the ground reflected multipath feeds
 into the feedhorn.

 is it reflecting off the top half of the dish and into the feedhorn
 like a mirror?
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Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

[Aeron Wireless]

https://mimosa.co/blog/deploying-a-diversity-link

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 5:35 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> id considered something like this but to make it a functional thing it
> would have to monitor the two radios and turn up or down a port based on
> better performing system. the guy with the two radios doesnt complain,
> prefers to not have to wait on us to come move it up to the roof or down to
> the post. its cheaper than a truck roll twice a year.
>
> but to the original question, a ground reflected wavelength to a
> parabolic antenna, is that reflected off the top half of the dish into the
> feedhorn?
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 4:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Since none of the PMP vendors have a space diversity option, I wonder
>> about just putting up two radios and bonding them at the ethernet level.
>> If it is multipath fading, both radios should not be faded at the same
>> time.  Would OSPF or RSTP or EIGRP be able to deal with this scenario?
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:44 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector
>>
>> this is one that was part of a group of similar issues. We had one that
>> is white paper level multipath. I can tell you the day and time they start
>> the harvest across the street and the time they finish it. that one we
>> ended up just installing 2 radios and they swap power supplies twice a
>> year.
>>
>> this one is facing west and looking at it the dips begin sharply around
>> 4pm the last week, around noon the week before. thats about the time it
>> starts to cool back down, not that its all that warm. its muddy fields so
>> the surface is soggier in the day, firms up more when it cools. yesterday
>> was super windy and it didnt do it, probably the soil is dryer.
>>
>> IIRC i have her radio right now peaking over the ridge of the roof from
>> her tower.
>>
>> Im planning on going out and putting it on a 12 foot post to halve the
>> fresnel, sable marginal is better than unstable marginal.
>>
>> the first guy i mentioned here is actually a pretty cool case. this
>> general region is super high iron content in the soil, we have another area
>> this is really common and their soil samples are really high as well, i
>> dont know if iron oxide is more reflective han dirt dirt or if certain
>> circumstances make it that way. or could be whatever causes the soil to be
>> more iron rich causes it. or soil content could have nothing to do with it.
>> I had gotten the sample results from a soil testing joint thats a customer,
>> thought i could figure it out but its one of those things somebody smarter
>> than me could probably figure out.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 3:23 PM Brian Webster 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Doe this customer have the issue at a certain time of the day? Maybe
>>> around sunrise or sunset. It may be possible that it’s not multipath but at
>>> certain times of the year the antenna has a good path to picking up noise
>>> from the sun and that could be stronger than your AP signal? This usually
>>> is exhibited on paths that have an East/West orientation. Depending on the
>>> gain of the antenna it can be worse than others. Think of the sun either
>>> just above the horizon at sunrise or sunset and the focal beam on the
>>> antenna is such that it picks up that noise enough to be stronger than the
>>> AP. Depending on the time of year, tilt angle of the Earth etc., it looks
>>> like a seasonal issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Brian Webster
>>>
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2021 1:36 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> our APs sit between 90 and 110 feet on average in flat terrain so we
>>> deal with alot of seasonal ground reflectivity issues. We have this one
>>> customer presenting again with whats probably multipath fading, I had tried
>>> putting a shield on the bottom half of the reflector once out of curiosity.
>>> It didnt do much
>>>
>>> what im wondering though is how the ground reflected multipath feeds
>>> into the feedhorn.
>>>
>>> is it reflecting off the top half of the dish and into the feedhorn like
>>> a mirror?
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Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

[Steve Jones]

id considered something like this but to make it a functional thing it
would have to monitor the two radios and turn up or down a port based on
better performing system. the guy with the two radios doesnt complain,
prefers to not have to wait on us to come move it up to the roof or down to
the post. its cheaper than a truck roll twice a year.

but to the original question, a ground reflected wavelength to a
parabolic antenna, is that reflected off the top half of the dish into the
feedhorn?

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 4:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Since none of the PMP vendors have a space diversity option, I wonder
> about just putting up two radios and bonding them at the ethernet level.
> If it is multipath fading, both radios should not be faded at the same
> time.  Would OSPF or RSTP or EIGRP be able to deal with this scenario?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector
>
> this is one that was part of a group of similar issues. We had one that is
> white paper level multipath. I can tell you the day and time they start the
> harvest across the street and the time they finish it. that one we ended up
> just installing 2 radios and they swap power supplies twice a year.
>
> this one is facing west and looking at it the dips begin sharply around
> 4pm the last week, around noon the week before. thats about the time it
> starts to cool back down, not that its all that warm. its muddy fields so
> the surface is soggier in the day, firms up more when it cools. yesterday
> was super windy and it didnt do it, probably the soil is dryer.
>
> IIRC i have her radio right now peaking over the ridge of the roof from
> her tower.
>
> Im planning on going out and putting it on a 12 foot post to halve the
> fresnel, sable marginal is better than unstable marginal.
>
> the first guy i mentioned here is actually a pretty cool case. this
> general region is super high iron content in the soil, we have another area
> this is really common and their soil samples are really high as well, i
> dont know if iron oxide is more reflective han dirt dirt or if certain
> circumstances make it that way. or could be whatever causes the soil to be
> more iron rich causes it. or soil content could have nothing to do with it.
> I had gotten the sample results from a soil testing joint thats a customer,
> thought i could figure it out but its one of those things somebody smarter
> than me could probably figure out.
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 3:23 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Doe this customer have the issue at a certain time of the day? Maybe
>> around sunrise or sunset. It may be possible that it’s not multipath but at
>> certain times of the year the antenna has a good path to picking up noise
>> from the sun and that could be stronger than your AP signal? This usually
>> is exhibited on paths that have an East/West orientation. Depending on the
>> gain of the antenna it can be worse than others. Think of the sun either
>> just above the horizon at sunrise or sunset and the focal beam on the
>> antenna is such that it picks up that noise enough to be stronger than the
>> AP. Depending on the time of year, tilt angle of the Earth etc., it looks
>> like a seasonal issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2021 1:36 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector
>>
>>
>>
>> our APs sit between 90 and 110 feet on average in flat terrain so we deal
>> with alot of seasonal ground reflectivity issues. We have this one customer
>> presenting again with whats probably multipath fading, I had tried putting
>> a shield on the bottom half of the reflector once out of curiosity. It
>> didnt do much
>>
>> what im wondering though is how the ground reflected multipath feeds into
>> the feedhorn.
>>
>> is it reflecting off the top half of the dish and into the feedhorn like
>> a mirror?
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Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

[Mathew Howard]

I wonder if it would work to do spacial diversity by connecting two 2x2
sectors to an epmp 3000 at different heights, instead of a 4x4 sector. I
assume MU-MIMO wouldn't work properly, but I wonder if it would solve this
sort of problem...

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 4:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Since none of the PMP vendors have a space diversity option, I wonder
> about just putting up two radios and bonding them at the ethernet level.
> If it is multipath fading, both radios should not be faded at the same
> time.  Would OSPF or RSTP or EIGRP be able to deal with this scenario?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector
>
> this is one that was part of a group of similar issues. We had one that is
> white paper level multipath. I can tell you the day and time they start the
> harvest across the street and the time they finish it. that one we ended up
> just installing 2 radios and they swap power supplies twice a year.
>
> this one is facing west and looking at it the dips begin sharply around
> 4pm the last week, around noon the week before. thats about the time it
> starts to cool back down, not that its all that warm. its muddy fields so
> the surface is soggier in the day, firms up more when it cools. yesterday
> was super windy and it didnt do it, probably the soil is dryer.
>
> IIRC i have her radio right now peaking over the ridge of the roof from
> her tower.
>
> Im planning on going out and putting it on a 12 foot post to halve the
> fresnel, sable marginal is better than unstable marginal.
>
> the first guy i mentioned here is actually a pretty cool case. this
> general region is super high iron content in the soil, we have another area
> this is really common and their soil samples are really high as well, i
> dont know if iron oxide is more reflective han dirt dirt or if certain
> circumstances make it that way. or could be whatever causes the soil to be
> more iron rich causes it. or soil content could have nothing to do with it.
> I had gotten the sample results from a soil testing joint thats a customer,
> thought i could figure it out but its one of those things somebody smarter
> than me could probably figure out.
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 3:23 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Doe this customer have the issue at a certain time of the day? Maybe
>> around sunrise or sunset. It may be possible that it’s not multipath but at
>> certain times of the year the antenna has a good path to picking up noise
>> from the sun and that could be stronger than your AP signal? This usually
>> is exhibited on paths that have an East/West orientation. Depending on the
>> gain of the antenna it can be worse than others. Think of the sun either
>> just above the horizon at sunrise or sunset and the focal beam on the
>> antenna is such that it picks up that noise enough to be stronger than the
>> AP. Depending on the time of year, tilt angle of the Earth etc., it looks
>> like a seasonal issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2021 1:36 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector
>>
>>
>>
>> our APs sit between 90 and 110 feet on average in flat terrain so we deal
>> with alot of seasonal ground reflectivity issues. We have this one customer
>> presenting again with whats probably multipath fading, I had tried putting
>> a shield on the bottom half of the reflector once out of curiosity. It
>> didnt do much
>>
>> what im wondering though is how the ground reflected multipath feeds into
>> the feedhorn.
>>
>> is it reflecting off the top half of the dish and into the feedhorn like
>> a mirror?
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Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Since none of the PMP vendors have a space diversity option, I wonder about 
just putting up two radios and bonding them at the ethernet level.  If it is 
multipath fading, both radios should not be faded at the same time.  Would OSPF 
or RSTP or EIGRP be able to deal with this scenario?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

this is one that was part of a group of similar issues. We had one that is 
white paper level multipath. I can tell you the day and time they start the 
harvest across the street and the time they finish it. that one we ended up 
just installing 2 radios and they swap power supplies twice a year. 

this one is facing west and looking at it the dips begin sharply around 4pm the 
last week, around noon the week before. thats about the time it starts to cool 
back down, not that its all that warm. its muddy fields so the surface is 
soggier in the day, firms up more when it cools. yesterday was super windy and 
it didnt do it, probably the soil is dryer.

IIRC i have her radio right now peaking over the ridge of the roof from her 
tower.

Im planning on going out and putting it on a 12 foot post to halve the fresnel, 
sable marginal is better than unstable marginal.

the first guy i mentioned here is actually a pretty cool case. this general 
region is super high iron content in the soil, we have another area this is 
really common and their soil samples are really high as well, i dont know if 
iron oxide is more reflective han dirt dirt or if certain circumstances make it 
that way. or could be whatever causes the soil to be more iron rich causes it. 
or soil content could have nothing to do with it. I had gotten the sample 
results from a soil testing joint thats a customer, thought i could figure it 
out but its one of those things somebody smarter than me could probably figure 
out.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 3:23 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

  Doe this customer have the issue at a certain time of the day? Maybe around 
sunrise or sunset. It may be possible that it’s not multipath but at certain 
times of the year the antenna has a good path to picking up noise from the sun 
and that could be stronger than your AP signal? This usually is exhibited on 
paths that have an East/West orientation. Depending on the gain of the antenna 
it can be worse than others. Think of the sun either just above the horizon at 
sunrise or sunset and the focal beam on the antenna is such that it picks up 
that noise enough to be stronger than the AP. Depending on the time of year, 
tilt angle of the Earth etc., it looks like a seasonal issue.



  Thank you,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com



  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 1:36 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector



  our APs sit between 90 and 110 feet on average in flat terrain so we deal 
with alot of seasonal ground reflectivity issues. We have this one customer 
presenting again with whats probably multipath fading, I had tried putting a 
shield on the bottom half of the reflector once out of curiosity. It didnt do 
much

  what im wondering though is how the ground reflected multipath feeds into the 
feedhorn.

  is it reflecting off the top half of the dish and into the feedhorn like a 
mirror?

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: CBRS config on Cambium v20.1

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

It's a bit of a throwback in the way it was coded.

In the original 3 GHz radios, we had two separate hardware versions.  We called 
one 3.6 (which covered 3.55-3.8 GHz), and the other band was 3.5 (which covered 
3.3-3.6).

Now, the clever engineers have designed a single hardware (and antenna system) 
that spans both.. from 3.3 to 3.9 GHz.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] CBRS config on Cambium v20.1

Maybe the C band users?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 9:52 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

And 3.6 is also for the old NN apparently.  So what is 3.5 for?
On 3/11/2021 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
That's...the way it is.  3.6 is for CBRS.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 9:34 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I set up a 3.5ghz AP on the bench yesterday and installed the newer
software version 20.x on it.

If I go to the Config -> Radio tab and change the frequency band to
3.5ghz, then the config -> CBRS and Logs -> CBRS tabs disappear.  If I
switch the band back to 3.6ghz then those menus come back.

Is this new, or did I just not notice before?  It seems backwards.


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Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

[Jaime Solorza]

Long ago, shared a similar problem with a SCADA 900MHz link...we ended up
installing a two way splitter, two pigtails and two Yagis at about six feet
a part...solved the issue...I had forgotten about that...
I remember the space and frequency diversity discussions.

Steve...sometimes a little bit of elevation helps.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 2:47 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> this is one that was part of a group of similar issues. We had one that is
> white paper level multipath. I can tell you the day and time they start the
> harvest across the street and the time they finish it. that one we ended up
> just installing 2 radios and they swap power supplies twice a year.
>
> this one is facing west and looking at it the dips begin sharply around
> 4pm the last week, around noon the week before. thats about the time it
> starts to cool back down, not that its all that warm. its muddy fields so
> the surface is soggier in the day, firms up more when it cools. yesterday
> was super windy and it didnt do it, probably the soil is dryer.
>
> IIRC i have her radio right now peaking over the ridge of the roof from
> her tower.
>
> Im planning on going out and putting it on a 12 foot post to halve the
> fresnel, sable marginal is better than unstable marginal.
>
> the first guy i mentioned here is actually a pretty cool case. this
> general region is super high iron content in the soil, we have another area
> this is really common and their soil samples are really high as well, i
> dont know if iron oxide is more reflective han dirt dirt or if certain
> circumstances make it that way. or could be whatever causes the soil to be
> more iron rich causes it. or soil content could have nothing to do with it.
> I had gotten the sample results from a soil testing joint thats a customer,
> thought i could figure it out but its one of those things somebody smarter
> than me could probably figure out.
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 3:23 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Doe this customer have the issue at a certain time of the day? Maybe
>> around sunrise or sunset. It may be possible that it’s not multipath but at
>> certain times of the year the antenna has a good path to picking up noise
>> from the sun and that could be stronger than your AP signal? This usually
>> is exhibited on paths that have an East/West orientation. Depending on the
>> gain of the antenna it can be worse than others. Think of the sun either
>> just above the horizon at sunrise or sunset and the focal beam on the
>> antenna is such that it picks up that noise enough to be stronger than the
>> AP. Depending on the time of year, tilt angle of the Earth etc., it looks
>> like a seasonal issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2021 1:36 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector
>>
>>
>>
>> our APs sit between 90 and 110 feet on average in flat terrain so we deal
>> with alot of seasonal ground reflectivity issues. We have this one customer
>> presenting again with whats probably multipath fading, I had tried putting
>> a shield on the bottom half of the reflector once out of curiosity. It
>> didnt do much
>>
>> what im wondering though is how the ground reflected multipath feeds into
>> the feedhorn.
>>
>> is it reflecting off the top half of the dish and into the feedhorn like
>> a mirror?
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Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

[Steve Jones]

this is one that was part of a group of similar issues. We had one that is
white paper level multipath. I can tell you the day and time they start the
harvest across the street and the time they finish it. that one we ended up
just installing 2 radios and they swap power supplies twice a year.

this one is facing west and looking at it the dips begin sharply around 4pm
the last week, around noon the week before. thats about the time it starts
to cool back down, not that its all that warm. its muddy fields so the
surface is soggier in the day, firms up more when it cools. yesterday was
super windy and it didnt do it, probably the soil is dryer.

IIRC i have her radio right now peaking over the ridge of the roof from her
tower.

Im planning on going out and putting it on a 12 foot post to halve the
fresnel, sable marginal is better than unstable marginal.

the first guy i mentioned here is actually a pretty cool case. this general
region is super high iron content in the soil, we have another area this is
really common and their soil samples are really high as well, i dont know
if iron oxide is more reflective han dirt dirt or if certain circumstances
make it that way. or could be whatever causes the soil to be more iron rich
causes it. or soil content could have nothing to do with it. I had gotten
the sample results from a soil testing joint thats a customer, thought i
could figure it out but its one of those things somebody smarter than me
could probably figure out.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 3:23 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Doe this customer have the issue at a certain time of the day? Maybe
> around sunrise or sunset. It may be possible that it’s not multipath but at
> certain times of the year the antenna has a good path to picking up noise
> from the sun and that could be stronger than your AP signal? This usually
> is exhibited on paths that have an East/West orientation. Depending on the
> gain of the antenna it can be worse than others. Think of the sun either
> just above the horizon at sunrise or sunset and the focal beam on the
> antenna is such that it picks up that noise enough to be stronger than the
> AP. Depending on the time of year, tilt angle of the Earth etc., it looks
> like a seasonal issue.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2021 1:36 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector
>
>
>
> our APs sit between 90 and 110 feet on average in flat terrain so we deal
> with alot of seasonal ground reflectivity issues. We have this one customer
> presenting again with whats probably multipath fading, I had tried putting
> a shield on the bottom half of the reflector once out of curiosity. It
> didnt do much
>
> what im wondering though is how the ground reflected multipath feeds into
> the feedhorn.
>
> is it reflecting off the top half of the dish and into the feedhorn like a
> mirror?
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Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

[Bill Prince]

  
  
When Ken was here, he would relate tales about the height of the
  corn fields affecting multipath. One of the things you can do is
  raise the height of the SM to get out of the multipath zone.


bp

On 3/11/2021 1:21 PM, Brian Webster
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Doe
this customer have the issue at a certain time of the day?
Maybe around sunrise or sunset. It may be possible that it’s
not multipath but at certain times of the year the antenna
has a good path to picking up noise from the sun and that
could be stronger than your AP signal? This usually is
exhibited on paths that have an East/West orientation.
Depending on the gain of the antenna it can be worse than
others. Think of the sun either just above the horizon at
sunrise or sunset and the focal beam on the antenna is such
that it picks up that noise enough to be stronger than the
AP. Depending on the time of year, tilt angle of the Earth
etc., it looks like a seasonal issue.
 
Thank
you,
Brian
Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
 
From:
AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 1:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector
 

  our APs sit between 90 and 110 feet on
average in flat terrain so we deal with alot of seasonal
ground reflectivity issues. We have this one customer
presenting again with whats probably multipath fading, I had
tried putting a shield on the bottom half of the reflector
once out of curiosity. It didnt do much
  
what im wondering though is how the
  ground reflected multipath feeds into the feedhorn.
  
  
is it reflecting off the top half of
  the dish and into the feedhorn like a mirror?
  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

[Brian Webster]

Doe this customer have the issue at a certain time of the day? Maybe around 
sunrise or sunset. It may be possible that it’s not multipath but at certain 
times of the year the antenna has a good path to picking up noise from the sun 
and that could be stronger than your AP signal? This usually is exhibited on 
paths that have an East/West orientation. Depending on the gain of the antenna 
it can be worse than others. Think of the sun either just above the horizon at 
sunrise or sunset and the focal beam on the antenna is such that it picks up 
that noise enough to be stronger than the AP. Depending on the time of year, 
tilt angle of the Earth etc., it looks like a seasonal issue.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 1:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

 

our APs sit between 90 and 110 feet on average in flat terrain so we deal with 
alot of seasonal ground reflectivity issues. We have this one customer 
presenting again with whats probably multipath fading, I had tried putting a 
shield on the bottom half of the reflector once out of curiosity. It didnt do 
much

what im wondering though is how the ground reflected multipath feeds into the 
feedhorn.

is it reflecting off the top half of the dish and into the feedhorn like a 
mirror?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe a session ale.

On 3/11/2021 1:30 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
im looking for something a little sour, but not bitter, i dont like 
fruit at all, miller lite is tasting too sweet to me. I really like 
the modelo negra, has a sweet first sip but that goes away. i want 
refreshing, sour and not heavy in the gut, i dont like any drink to 
sit with me. Theres also winter drink and summer drink, in the winter 
i sit and drink inside, in the summer i like to do stuff and have some 
drinks, id like if they had a winter alcohol content and and summer 
alcohol content, maybe 3 percent in the summer and 5 or 6 in the winter.
This is why I never got the fixins to make beer, it would become my 
full time obsession to get that perfect flavor, and when I hit it Id 
be too drunk to remember the recipe and process. but if the flavor was 
right id replace my mountain dew with it, i like beer, so id have to 
come up with a zero proof recipe


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 12:18 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


Ales will get bitterness largely from the amount of hops and/or
when and how the hops are added. Sierra nevada (and others) make a
late-hopped ale. Sierra Nevada calls it "Torpedo" because they add
an extra kick of hops late in the brewing stage via a "torpedo"
filled with hops.

Some have started doing "hazy IPA", which is a cloudy beer (as
opposed to clear). These will often have a hint of fruit.

Not hazy, but real interesting is Hell or High Watermelon from the
21st Amendment. It is slightly fruity, but not as much as you
might infer from the name.
https://www.21st-amendment.com/beers/hell-or-high-watermelon


Beer making is just really getting started. The art is maybe 100
years behind wine making in where it stands today.


bp


On 3/11/2021 10:02 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


There's a lot of variance.  That's part of the charm I guess.

I thought I didn't like IPA for a really long time. Turns out
some of them are sour and some of them taste fruity.  I'm told
this depends on what type of hops they usedbut IDK.  I like
the fruity IPA, but I only had a couple sour ones so I avoided
all IPA for a long time.

I had a really smooth and tasty Scotch Ale and went around saying
Scotch Ale was great.  Then I had a different Scotch Ale and it
was harsh AF.

I haven't yet had a milk stout that didn't suck.  Any beer with
coffee flavor is also not my thing.

"Bitter" is a type that sounds like it ought to be bad, but so
far has been good every time.

Blue Moon is supposed to be a Belgian wheat ale with orange
flavor, and I really like that one.  I tried a craft beer labeled
as a Belgian wheat ale with orange flavor and it was really bland.

Porter is great in a stew, but not as great for just drinking.

Lager and pilsner are safe from almost any brand.  Most of the
mass produced beers are either a lager or pilsner, so these'll
taste familiar at least.  For a mass produced, American beer my
go-to is Miller High Life, or Genesee.  Don't know if you have
Genny in your locality, but they make it on the Genesee river in
NY so the toxic waste gives it a nice twang.  It's got a little
more flavor than that Alabama crick water they call Budweiser.

-Adam


On 3/11/2021 12:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I'm leery of most of that weird shit, too much of it tastes like
yard waste and dandelions

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 10:37 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I bought Arrogant Bastard Ale just so I could take a picture
of myself drinking Arrogant Bastard Ale.

It turned out to be pretty good though.


On 3/11/2021 11:26 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


There is a fairly long list of things that I consider
undrinkable. I can tell without taking it off the shelf
that Bud Zero would be one of them.

This is more to my liking.


bp

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Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

[James Howard]

Your first effort would be rice vinegar flavored though right?


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 12:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

im looking for something a little sour, but not bitter, i dont like fruit at 
all, miller lite is tasting too sweet to me. I really like the modelo negra, 
has a sweet first sip but that goes away. i want refreshing, sour and not heavy 
in the gut, i dont like any drink to sit with me. Theres also winter drink and 
summer drink, in the winter i sit and drink inside, in the summer i like to do 
stuff and have some drinks, id like if they had a winter alcohol content and 
and summer alcohol content, maybe 3 percent in the summer and 5 or 6 in the 
winter.
This is why I never got the fixins to make beer, it would become my full time 
obsession to get that perfect flavor, and when I hit it Id be too drunk to 
remember the recipe and process. but if the flavor was right id replace my 
mountain dew with it, i like beer, so id have to come up with a zero proof 
recipe

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 12:18 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ales will get bitterness largely from the amount of hops and/or when and how 
the hops are added. Sierra nevada (and others) make a late-hopped ale. Sierra 
Nevada calls it "Torpedo" because they add an extra kick of hops late in the 
brewing stage via a "torpedo" filled with hops.

Some have started doing "hazy IPA", which is a cloudy beer (as opposed to 
clear). These will often have a hint of fruit.

Not hazy, but real interesting is Hell or High Watermelon from the 21st 
Amendment. It is slightly fruity, but not as much as you might infer from the 
name. https://www.21st-amendment.com/beers/hell-or-high-watermelon

Beer making is just really getting started. The art is maybe 100 years behind 
wine making in where it stands today.



bp


On 3/11/2021 10:02 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

There's a lot of variance.  That's part of the charm I guess.

I thought I didn't like IPA for a really long time.  Turns out some of them are 
sour and some of them taste fruity.  I'm told this depends on what type of hops 
they usedbut IDK.  I like the fruity IPA, but I only had a couple sour ones 
so I avoided all IPA for a long time.

I had a really smooth and tasty Scotch Ale and went around saying Scotch Ale 
was great.  Then I had a different Scotch Ale and it was harsh AF.

I haven't yet had a milk stout that didn't suck.  Any beer with coffee flavor 
is also not my thing.

"Bitter" is a type that sounds like it ought to be bad, but so far has been 
good every time.

Blue Moon is supposed to be a Belgian wheat ale with orange flavor, and I 
really like that one.  I tried a craft beer labeled as a Belgian wheat ale with 
orange flavor and it was really bland.

Porter is great in a stew, but not as great for just drinking.

Lager and pilsner are safe from almost any brand.  Most of the mass produced 
beers are either a lager or pilsner, so these'll taste familiar at least.  For 
a mass produced, American beer my go-to is Miller High Life, or Genesee.  Don't 
know if you have Genny in your locality, but they make it on the Genesee river 
in NY so the toxic waste gives it a nice twang.  It's got a little more flavor 
than that Alabama crick water they call Budweiser.

-Adam


On 3/11/2021 12:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I'm leery of most of that weird shit, too much of it tastes like yard waste and 
dandelions

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 10:37 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I bought Arrogant Bastard Ale just so I could take a picture of myself drinking 
Arrogant Bastard Ale.

It turned out to be pretty good though.


On 3/11/2021 11:26 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

There is a fairly long list of things that I consider undrinkable. I can tell 
without taking it off the shelf that Bud Zero would be one of them.

This is more to my liking.



bp


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[AFMUG] multipath on a reflector

[Steve Jones]

our APs sit between 90 and 110 feet on average in flat terrain so we deal
with alot of seasonal ground reflectivity issues. We have this one customer
presenting again with whats probably multipath fading, I had tried putting
a shield on the bottom half of the reflector once out of curiosity. It
didnt do much
what im wondering though is how the ground reflected multipath feeds into
the feedhorn.
is it reflecting off the top half of the dish and into the feedhorn like a
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Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

[Steve Jones]

im looking for something a little sour, but not bitter, i dont like fruit
at all, miller lite is tasting too sweet to me. I really like the modelo
negra, has a sweet first sip but that goes away. i want refreshing, sour
and not heavy in the gut, i dont like any drink to sit with me. Theres also
winter drink and summer drink, in the winter i sit and drink inside, in the
summer i like to do stuff and have some drinks, id like if they had a
winter alcohol content and and summer alcohol content, maybe 3 percent in
the summer and 5 or 6 in the winter.
This is why I never got the fixins to make beer, it would become my full
time obsession to get that perfect flavor, and when I hit it Id be too
drunk to remember the recipe and process. but if the flavor was right id
replace my mountain dew with it, i like beer, so id have to come up with a
zero proof recipe

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 12:18 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Ales will get bitterness largely from the amount of hops and/or when and
> how the hops are added. Sierra nevada (and others) make a late-hopped ale.
> Sierra Nevada calls it "Torpedo" because they add an extra kick of hops
> late in the brewing stage via a "torpedo" filled with hops.
>
> Some have started doing "hazy IPA", which is a cloudy beer (as opposed to
> clear). These will often have a hint of fruit.
>
> Not hazy, but real interesting is Hell or High Watermelon from the 21st
> Amendment. It is slightly fruity, but not as much as you might infer from
> the name. https://www.21st-amendment.com/beers/hell-or-high-watermelon
>
> Beer making is just really getting started. The art is maybe 100 years
> behind wine making in where it stands today.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/11/2021 10:02 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> There's a lot of variance.  That's part of the charm I guess.
>
> I thought I didn't like IPA for a really long time.  Turns out some of
> them are sour and some of them taste fruity.  I'm told this depends on what
> type of hops they usedbut IDK.  I like the fruity IPA, but I only had a
> couple sour ones so I avoided all IPA for a long time.
>
> I had a really smooth and tasty Scotch Ale and went around saying Scotch
> Ale was great.  Then I had a different Scotch Ale and it was harsh AF.
>
> I haven't yet had a milk stout that didn't suck.  Any beer with coffee
> flavor is also not my thing.
>
> "Bitter" is a type that sounds like it ought to be bad, but so far has
> been good every time.
>
> Blue Moon is supposed to be a Belgian wheat ale with orange flavor, and I
> really like that one.  I tried a craft beer labeled as a Belgian wheat ale
> with orange flavor and it was really bland.
>
> Porter is great in a stew, but not as great for just drinking.
>
> Lager and pilsner are safe from almost any brand.  Most of the mass
> produced beers are either a lager or pilsner, so these'll taste familiar at
> least.  For a mass produced, American beer my go-to is Miller High Life, or
> Genesee.  Don't know if you have Genny in your locality, but they make it
> on the Genesee river in NY so the toxic waste gives it a nice twang.  It's
> got a little more flavor than that Alabama crick water they call Budweiser.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 3/11/2021 12:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I'm leery of most of that weird shit, too much of it tastes like yard
> waste and dandelions
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 10:37 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I bought Arrogant Bastard Ale just so I could take a picture of myself
>> drinking Arrogant Bastard Ale.
>>
>> It turned out to be pretty good though.
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/2021 11:26 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> There is a fairly long list of things that I consider undrinkable. I can
>> tell without taking it off the shelf that Bud Zero would be one of them.
>>
>> This is more to my liking.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 3/9/2021 5:01 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Ales will get bitterness largely from the amount of hops and/or
  when and how the hops are added. Sierra nevada (and others) make a
  late-hopped ale. Sierra Nevada calls it "Torpedo" because they add
  an extra kick of hops late in the brewing stage via a "torpedo"
  filled with hops.
Some have started doing "hazy IPA", which is a cloudy beer (as
  opposed to clear). These will often have a hint of fruit. 

Not hazy, but real interesting is Hell or High Watermelon from
  the 21st Amendment. It is slightly fruity, but not as much as you
  might infer from the name. https://www.21st-amendment.com/beers/hell-or-high-watermelon
Beer making is just really getting started. The art is maybe 100
  years behind wine making in where it stands today.


bp

On 3/11/2021 10:02 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  There's a lot of variance.  That's part of the charm I guess.
  I thought I didn't like IPA for a really long time.  Turns out
some of them are sour and some of them taste fruity.  I'm told
this depends on what type of hops they usedbut IDK.  I like
the fruity IPA, but I only had a couple sour ones so I avoided
all IPA for a long time.
  I had a really smooth and tasty Scotch Ale and went around
saying Scotch Ale was great.  Then I had a different Scotch Ale
and it was harsh AF.
  I haven't yet had a milk stout that didn't suck.  Any beer with
coffee flavor is also not my thing.  
  
  "Bitter" is a type that sounds like it ought to be bad, but so
far has been good every time.
  Blue Moon is supposed to be a Belgian wheat ale with orange
flavor, and I really like that one.  I tried a craft beer
labeled as a Belgian wheat ale with orange flavor and it was
really bland.
  Porter is great in a stew, but not as great for just drinking.
  
  Lager and pilsner are safe from almost any brand.  Most of the
mass produced beers are either a lager or pilsner, so these'll
taste familiar at least.  For a mass produced, American beer my
go-to is Miller High Life, or Genesee.  Don't know if you have
Genny in your locality, but they make it on the Genesee river in
NY so the toxic waste gives it a nice twang.  It's got a little
more flavor than that Alabama crick water they call Budweiser.
  
  -Adam
  
  
  On 3/11/2021 12:24 PM, Steve Jones
wrote:
  
  

I'm leery of most of that weird shit, too much
  of it tastes like yard waste and dandelions


  On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 10:37
AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
  
  

  I bought Arrogant Bastard Ale just so I could take a
picture of myself drinking Arrogant Bastard Ale.
  It turned out to be pretty good though.
  
  
  On 3/11/2021 11:26 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
  
  
There is a fairly long list of things that I consider
  undrinkable. I can tell without taking it off the
  shelf that Bud Zero would be one of them.
This is more to my liking.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

[Adam Moffett]

There's a lot of variance.  That's part of the charm I guess.

I thought I didn't like IPA for a really long time.  Turns out some of 
them are sour and some of them taste fruity.  I'm told this depends on 
what type of hops they usedbut IDK.  I like the fruity IPA, but I 
only had a couple sour ones so I avoided all IPA for a long time.


I had a really smooth and tasty Scotch Ale and went around saying Scotch 
Ale was great.  Then I had a different Scotch Ale and it was harsh AF.


I haven't yet had a milk stout that didn't suck.  Any beer with coffee 
flavor is also not my thing.


"Bitter" is a type that sounds like it ought to be bad, but so far has 
been good every time.


Blue Moon is supposed to be a Belgian wheat ale with orange flavor, and 
I really like that one.  I tried a craft beer labeled as a Belgian wheat 
ale with orange flavor and it was really bland.


Porter is great in a stew, but not as great for just drinking.

Lager and pilsner are safe from almost any brand.  Most of the mass 
produced beers are either a lager or pilsner, so these'll taste familiar 
at least.  For a mass produced, American beer my go-to is Miller High 
Life, or Genesee.  Don't know if you have Genny in your locality, but 
they make it on the Genesee river in NY so the toxic waste gives it a 
nice twang.  It's got a little more flavor than that Alabama crick water 
they call Budweiser.


-Adam


On 3/11/2021 12:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I'm leery of most of that weird shit, too much of it tastes like yard 
waste and dandelions


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 10:37 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I bought Arrogant Bastard Ale just so I could take a picture of
myself drinking Arrogant Bastard Ale.

It turned out to be pretty good though.


On 3/11/2021 11:26 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


There is a fairly long list of things that I consider
undrinkable. I can tell without taking it off the shelf that Bud
Zero would be one of them.

This is more to my liking.


bp

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Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

[James Howard]

Look at the color man.  That's not mud that's in the water of that bud can.

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I just mean the similarity I see between Budweiser, muddy water, and Joe Biden 
is that none of them will really hurt me, but none of them are my first choice.

Maybe I'll bud light with lime.  I think the analogy is broken at that point 
though. Neither muddy water or a politician would be improved by a twist of 
lime.


On 3/11/2021 11:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I dont know about Biden. but bud products were like a hangover in a can. Ill 
give them props on bud light lime though. I refused to try that till we are on 
a float trip in arkansas and  buddy had some i tried, man, in the hot arkansas 
sun (i think they must sit closer to the sun there) that is a refreshing and 
tasty product.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:03 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Budweiser doesn't really taste like beer anyway.  I'm not saying anybody's 
wrong if they enjoy Budweiser.  Obviously everyone has their own tastes, and if 
they enjoy the taste of muddy water that's none of my business.  Maybe Joe 
Biden is also a little bit like muddy water.
On 3/11/2021 9:42 AM, jerry bickle wrote:
Why does this remind me of Joe Biden?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

[Adam Moffett]

I just mean the similarity I see between Budweiser, muddy water, and Joe 
Biden is that none of them will really hurt me, but none of them are my 
first choice.


Maybe I'll bud light with lime.  I think the analogy is broken at that 
point though. Neither muddy water or a politician would be improved by a 
twist of lime.



On 3/11/2021 11:12 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I dont know about Biden. but bud products were like a hangover in a 
can. Ill give them props on bud light lime though. I refused to try 
that till we are on a float trip in arkansas and  buddy had some i 
tried, man, in the hot arkansas sun (i think they must sit closer to 
the sun there) that is a refreshing and tasty product.


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:03 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Budweiser doesn't really taste like beer anyway.  I'm not saying
anybody's wrong if they enjoy Budweiser.  Obviously everyone has
their own tastes, and if they enjoy the taste of muddy water
that's none of my business.  Maybe Joe Biden is also a little bit
like muddy water.

On 3/11/2021 9:42 AM, jerry bickle wrote:


Why does this remind me of Joe Biden?

Jerry Bickle

President

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Cell: 405.650.3366

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Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

[Steve Jones]

I dont know about Biden. but bud products were like a hangover in a can.
Ill give them props on bud light lime though. I refused to try that till we
are on a float trip in arkansas and  buddy had some i tried, man, in the
hot arkansas sun (i think they must sit closer to the sun there) that is a
refreshing and tasty product.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:03 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Budweiser doesn't really taste like beer anyway.  I'm not saying anybody's
> wrong if they enjoy Budweiser.  Obviously everyone has their own tastes,
> and if they enjoy the taste of muddy water that's none of my business.
> Maybe Joe Biden is also a little bit like muddy water.
>
> On 3/11/2021 9:42 AM, jerry bickle wrote:
>
> Why does this remind me of Joe Biden?
>
>
>
> Jerry Bickle
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

[Adam Moffett]

Budweiser doesn't really taste like beer anyway.  I'm not saying 
anybody's wrong if they enjoy Budweiser.  Obviously everyone has their 
own tastes, and if they enjoy the taste of muddy water that's none of my 
business.  Maybe Joe Biden is also a little bit like muddy water.


On 3/11/2021 9:42 AM, jerry bickle wrote:


Why does this remind me of Joe Biden?

Jerry Bickle

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Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

[James Howard]

Because "this bud's for you"

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Why does this remind me of Joe Biden?

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS config on Cambium v20.1

[Josh Luthman]

Maybe the C band users?

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 9:52 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> And 3.6 is also for the old NN apparently.  So what is 3.5 for?
> On 3/11/2021 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> That's...the way it is.  3.6 is for CBRS.
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>
>> I set up a 3.5ghz AP on the bench yesterday and installed the newer
>> software version 20.x on it.
>>
>> If I go to the Config -> Radio tab and change the frequency band to
>> 3.5ghz, then the config -> CBRS and Logs -> CBRS tabs disappear.  If I
>> switch the band back to 3.6ghz then those menus come back.
>>
>> Is this new, or did I just not notice before?  It seems backwards.
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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS config on Cambium v20.1

[Adam Moffett]

And 3.6 is also for the old NN apparently.  So what is 3.5 for?

On 3/11/2021 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

That's...the way it is.  3.6 is for CBRS.

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I set up a 3.5ghz AP on the bench yesterday and installed the newer
software version 20.x on it.

If I go to the Config -> Radio tab and change the frequency band to
3.5ghz, then the config -> CBRS and Logs -> CBRS tabs disappear. 
If I
switch the band back to 3.6ghz then those menus come back.

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Re: [AFMUG] CBRS config on Cambium v20.1

[Josh Luthman]

That's...the way it is.  3.6 is for CBRS.

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On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 9:34 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I set up a 3.5ghz AP on the bench yesterday and installed the newer
> software version 20.x on it.
>
> If I go to the Config -> Radio tab and change the frequency band to
> 3.5ghz, then the config -> CBRS and Logs -> CBRS tabs disappear.  If I
> switch the band back to 3.6ghz then those menus come back.
>
> Is this new, or did I just not notice before?  It seems backwards.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT salud

[jerry bickle]

Why does this remind me of Joe Biden?

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[AFMUG] CBRS config on Cambium v20.1

[Adam Moffett]

I set up a 3.5ghz AP on the bench yesterday and installed the newer 
software version 20.x on it.


If I go to the Config -> Radio tab and change the frequency band to 
3.5ghz, then the config -> CBRS and Logs -> CBRS tabs disappear.  If I 
switch the band back to 3.6ghz then those menus come back.


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Re: [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground

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Why do you care if they have workers comp insurance?

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> If you drill for me, you better have me named on your COI on your $500K
> liability policy.  And you better provide proof of workers comp insurance.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 12:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 1099 vs employee liability underground
>
> So, if you contract an operator to run your horizontal drill, who is
> liable for striking a utility. I assume a contractor with his own drill is
> liable, a contracted laborer im guessing would be decided by state lars on
> whos an employee and whos a contractor regardless of 1099, and as employee
> would put the liability on the company who the dig is for.
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Re: [AFMUG] good inexpensive OTDR

[Josh Luthman]

Our cheap China one seems to be OK. After the launch cable was purchased,
it definitely works for where we tested it.  We have not had to locate any
damage.

We use it as a VFL pretty frequently.

Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 7:18 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> We have a $1000 one from china. It works well enough.
>
> We have located every fault we ever needed to find with it.
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> Jim
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> I’m seeing prices for about $7600, seems like a lot. I’m guessing you can
> get a cheap Chinese one somewhere, but are they workable or flaming piles
> of junk?
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Re: [AFMUG] good inexpensive OTDR

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

I really don’t know.  We have only used the cheap china one.
Truthfully, we need it 3 or 4 times a year.  It’s worth the price to just have 
it in the toolbox at $1k.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 6:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] good inexpensive OTDR

Is it better to get a new Chinese unit, or used JDSU, EXFO, Anritsu or similar? 
Are there any used models that are good quality and still would work well that 
someone can recommend?


On Mar 10, 2021, at 4:16 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:

We have a $1000 one from china. It works well enough.

We have located every fault we ever needed to find with it.

Jim



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT 5G Evolution capable smartphone



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From: Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>>
Date: 3/10/21 6:14 PM (GMT-06:00)
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Subject: [AFMUG] good inexpensive OTDR

I’m seeing prices for about $7600, seems like a lot. I’m guessing you can get a 
cheap Chinese one somewhere, but are they workable or flaming piles of junk?
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Re: [AFMUG] good inexpensive OTDR

[Louis Arsenault]

I used a cheap Chinese one for many years. Other than the battery didn't
last it was fine for PTP and cable verification.

I have taken a new job are willing to spend the money on a better one. I
didn't really know what I was missing until I started looking.

Positives:

Remote access: Leave the OTDR in the Hut and remotely connect to it from my
phone. Great for one man troubleshooting. I am testing Teamviewer. Also
means I can have a monkey tech connect it to his phone hotspot and I can
remote into from my desk.
Live OTDR: being able to shoot with filtered 1625 even when the line is
currently in use.
Split Distribution splitter profiles: The network is using GPON with split
distribution taps. This is where most of the light keeps going but you get
a couple drop ports with like -20 output if you spec the splitter
correctly. The EXFO one I am looking at can set customer splitter/tap
profiles.
IOLM: Before I really understood how smart IOLM,I didn't want to pay for
it. It is very interesting how it works. It also still saves a sor file to
look at later and do trace compares.
Modular: This doesn't go for all of them but the ones I am looking at I can
rent a specific card for a month if I have a need that it can't currently
fill. Like RFC 6815 testing.
PDF Reports: not really my thing but someone might find it important.

Disadvantage:
Cost, nickel and dime you for _every_ feature.

Since I have to support a Dist Split network I really have no choice but to
spend the money on a better one I get several of the features
automatically but since I am already choosing to spend the money on the
better one might as well spend the money to get all the features I really
want.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 7:14 PM Dev  wrote:

> I’m seeing prices for about $7600, seems like a lot. I’m guessing you can
> get a cheap Chinese one somewhere, but are they workable or flaming piles
> of junk?
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