Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Steve Jones]

Only thing i have a problem with on gmail is I cant integrate onenote and
theres no actually comparable app

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:15 PM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Gmail is the best. Been using them for our business since 2012. Virtually
> no issues at all aside from a handful of short outages over the last 11
> years.
>
> It's hands off, costs very little, and I've NEVER needed to contact them
> for support. We also use Google drive and their version of office apps in
> the cloud. We don't store any files locally at all. All business docs are
> at Google and they're safe there and they handle the backups.
>
> I don't see any advantage to hosting local email on your own server. It's
> not worth your time. My time is worth $550/hr roughly when looking at net
> profit so spending even one hour a year trying to manage or fix my own
> email server would cost me more than what I pay Google.
>
> We're grandfathered in and think we get 10 free users for gsuite and I pay
> to upgrade storage to 100gb on 2-3 users so we pay less than $60 a year to
> Google for everything. Dirt cheap and great peace mind.
>
> This is relating to our internal business use. For customer email, we
> never offered it and never will. Just recommend a free Gmail account and go
> live your best life not having to support email.
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 8:47 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> O365 handles SMTP relay for scanners and such really well, we just dealt
>> with it a bunch. authenticated IP. I dont scan to a flatbed because the
>> Edsel was before my time :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it serves for
>>> employees and other business email addresses.  It is free that way and we
>>> don’t have to worry about anything else.  But for some reason the server
>>> hangs and needs to get rebooted, usually about the same time each day.
>>>
>>> Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things so we
>>> stopped using them some time ago.  For example, our scanner stopped being
>>> able to send emails due to something gmail did.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers
>>>
>>> How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you
>>> this. We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office
>>> emails since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the
>>> mail. The cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have dropped service
>>> but wanted to keep their email, we actually make a tidy profit to cover any
>>> administrative stuff.
>>>
>>> for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I look
>>> at it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger problems
>>> than my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email servers
>>> would have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a battery powered
>>> inverter just so i can still use my corded drill. I can, it will work, its
>>> not that complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste of time.
>>>
>>> dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources
>>> unless your monetizing it. too large an attack vector
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It is only for our own company email.  No customers on it.



 *From:* Tyson Burris
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers


 Surgemail is exactly what I used.  Seemed to be a good product.



 *Tyson Burris, President*
 *Internet Communications Inc.*
 *739 Commerce Dr.*
 *Franklin, IN 46131*

 *Office #* *317-738-0320 *
 *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 *
 *Online: **www.surfici.net*



 [image: ICI]

 *What can ICI do for you?*


 *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
 Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.*

 *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
 *addressee shown. It contains information that is*
 *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
 *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
 *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
 *prohibited.*



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via
 AF
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers



 Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free
 though.  Extremely granular configuration options.



 On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

 We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its 

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Darin Steffl]

Gmail is the best. Been using them for our business since 2012. Virtually
no issues at all aside from a handful of short outages over the last 11
years.

It's hands off, costs very little, and I've NEVER needed to contact them
for support. We also use Google drive and their version of office apps in
the cloud. We don't store any files locally at all. All business docs are
at Google and they're safe there and they handle the backups.

I don't see any advantage to hosting local email on your own server. It's
not worth your time. My time is worth $550/hr roughly when looking at net
profit so spending even one hour a year trying to manage or fix my own
email server would cost me more than what I pay Google.

We're grandfathered in and think we get 10 free users for gsuite and I pay
to upgrade storage to 100gb on 2-3 users so we pay less than $60 a year to
Google for everything. Dirt cheap and great peace mind.

This is relating to our internal business use. For customer email, we never
offered it and never will. Just recommend a free Gmail account and go live
your best life not having to support email.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 8:47 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> O365 handles SMTP relay for scanners and such really well, we just dealt
> with it a bunch. authenticated IP. I dont scan to a flatbed because the
> Edsel was before my time :-)
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it serves for
>> employees and other business email addresses.  It is free that way and we
>> don’t have to worry about anything else.  But for some reason the server
>> hangs and needs to get rebooted, usually about the same time each day.
>>
>> Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things so we
>> stopped using them some time ago.  For example, our scanner stopped being
>> able to send emails due to something gmail did.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers
>>
>> How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you
>> this. We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office
>> emails since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the
>> mail. The cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have dropped service
>> but wanted to keep their email, we actually make a tidy profit to cover any
>> administrative stuff.
>>
>> for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I look at
>> it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger problems than
>> my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email servers would
>> have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a battery powered inverter
>> just so i can still use my corded drill. I can, it will work, its not that
>> complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste of time.
>>
>> dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources
>> unless your monetizing it. too large an attack vector
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is only for our own company email.  No customers on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Tyson Burris
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers
>>>
>>>
>>> Surgemail is exactly what I used.  Seemed to be a good product.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>> *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>>
>>> *Office #* *317-738-0320 *
>>> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 *
>>> *Online: **www.surfici.net*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: ICI]
>>>
>>> *What can ICI do for you?*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
>>> Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.*
>>>
>>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
>>> *addressee shown. It contains information that is*
>>> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
>>> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
>>> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
>>> *prohibited.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free
>>> though.  Extremely granular configuration options.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
>>> We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had
>>> thousandth of accounts on it, but now just a handful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost
>>> effective for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Steve Jones]

O365 handles SMTP relay for scanners and such really well, we just dealt
with it a bunch. authenticated IP. I dont scan to a flatbed because the
Edsel was before my time :-)




On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it serves for
> employees and other business email addresses.  It is free that way and we
> don’t have to worry about anything else.  But for some reason the server
> hangs and needs to get rebooted, usually about the same time each day.
>
> Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things so we
> stopped using them some time ago.  For example, our scanner stopped being
> able to send emails due to something gmail did.
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers
>
> How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you this.
> We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office emails
> since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the mail. The
> cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have dropped service but
> wanted to keep their email, we actually make a tidy profit to cover any
> administrative stuff.
>
> for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I look at
> it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger problems than
> my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email servers would
> have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a battery powered inverter
> just so i can still use my corded drill. I can, it will work, its not that
> complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste of time.
>
> dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources
> unless your monetizing it. too large an attack vector
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> It is only for our own company email.  No customers on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Tyson Burris
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers
>>
>>
>> Surgemail is exactly what I used.  Seemed to be a good product.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>> *739 Commerce Dr.*
>> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>
>> *Office #* *317-738-0320 *
>> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 *
>> *Online: **www.surfici.net*
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: ICI]
>>
>> *What can ICI do for you?*
>>
>>
>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
>> Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.*
>>
>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
>> *addressee shown. It contains information that is*
>> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
>> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
>> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
>> *prohibited.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers
>>
>>
>>
>> Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free
>> though.  Extremely granular configuration options.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had thousandth
>> of accounts on it, but now just a handful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective
>> for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>> --
>>
>> *From:* AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF <
>> af@af.afmug.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers
>>
>>
>>
>> We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there.  It hangs
>> all the time these days.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments,
>> is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is
>> confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of
>> an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy,
>> dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication
>> is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or
>> without authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove
>> it from your system.
>> --
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
> --
> --
> AF mailing 

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Jan-GAMs]

All mail from mail.com gets blocked by gmail.  Have not been able to 
resolve issue for many months.  I don't see why I should quit mail.com 
to allow gmail to be my overlord.  "F" them!


On 3/9/23 11:50, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


I understand your point here.

We still have Icewarp running for a handful of legacy things, but 
we’re actually on Office365 for company email.  I largely agree with 
Steve on this.  It’s not worth your trouble to run a mail server anymore.


Office365 has really aggressive spam filtering, you pretty much won’t 
get any spam if you use Office365.  If you’re the guy with his own 
mail server it’s almost inevitable that Microsoft blocks you at some 
point for something that seems stupid.  They are trigger happy a-holes 
about blocking things, but /that’s how they stop all the rest of us 
from getting spam./   They’re the hammer and everyone else is the 
nail.  1.3 million businesses in the US use Office365 and 87% of 
business email users are using Outlook.


Join the collective.  The Puppet Masters are benevolent overlords.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, March 09, 2023 2:00 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Cc:* Chuck McCown 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it serves 
for employees and other business email addresses.  It is free that way 
and we don’t have to worry about anything else.  But for some reason 
the server hangs and needs to get rebooted, usually about the same 
time each day.


Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things so 
we stopped using them some time ago. For example, our scanner stopped 
being able to send emails due to something gmail did.


*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you 
this. We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office 
emails since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for 
the mail. The cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have 
dropped service but wanted to keep their email, we actually make a 
tidy profit to cover any administrative stuff.


for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I look 
at it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger 
problems than my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with 
email servers would have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a 
battery powered inverter just so i can still use my corded drill. I 
can, it will work, its not that complicated, but its nonetheless a 
dumb waste of time.


dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources 
unless your monetizing it. too large an attack vector


On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:


It is only for our own company email.  No customers on it.

*From:*Tyson Burris

*Sent:*Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

Surgemail is exactly what I used.  Seemed to be a good product.

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce Dr.**
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
*Office #**317-738-0320 *
*Cell/Direct #**317-412-1540 *
*Online: www.surfici.net *

ICI

*What can ICI do for you?*


*Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.*
**
*CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
*addressee shown. It contains information that is*
*confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
*dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
*unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
*prohibited.*

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
via AF
*Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Cc:* Steven Kenney 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free
though. Extremely granular configuration options.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett 
wrote:

We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had
thousandth of accounts on it, but now just a handful.

Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not
cost effective for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for
internal email.

Get Outlook for iOS 



*From:*AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown
via AF 
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Cc:* Chuck McCown 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers

We are having 

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[dmmoffett]

I understand your point here.  

We still have Icewarp running for a handful of legacy things, but we’re 
actually on Office365 for company email.  I largely agree with Steve on this.  
It’s not worth your trouble to run a mail server anymore.  

 

Office365 has really aggressive spam filtering, you pretty much won’t get any 
spam if you use Office365.  If you’re the guy with his own mail server it’s 
almost inevitable that Microsoft blocks you at some point for something that 
seems stupid.  They are trigger happy a-holes about blocking things, but that’s 
how they stop all the rest of us from getting spam.   They’re the hammer and 
everyone else is the nail.  1.3 million businesses in the US use Office365 and 
87% of business email users are using Outlook.  

 

Join the collective.  The Puppet Masters are benevolent overlords.  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2023 2:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

 

I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it serves for 
employees and other business email addresses.  It is free that way and we don’t 
have to worry about anything else.  But for some reason the server hangs and 
needs to get rebooted, usually about the same time each day.  

 

Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things so we 
stopped using them some time ago.  For example, our scanner stopped being able 
to send emails due to something gmail did.  

 

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

 

How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you this. We 
are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office emails since its 
same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the mail. The cost of our 
mail is covered by the folks who have dropped service but wanted to keep their 
email, we actually make a tidy profit to cover any administrative stuff. 

 

for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I look at it is 
if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger problems than my email. 
Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email servers would have been a 
blast. but now its like maintaining a battery powered inverter just so i can 
still use my corded drill. I can, it will work, its not that complicated, but 
its nonetheless a dumb waste of time. 

 

dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources unless 
your monetizing it. too large an attack vector

 

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

It is only for our own company email.  No customers on it.  

 

 

 

From: Tyson Burris 

Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

 

Surgemail is exactly what I used.  Seemed to be a good product.

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
Office # 317-738-0320 
Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 
Online: www.surfici.net   

 



What can ICI do for you? 


Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - 
Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. 
  
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the 
addressee shown. It contains information that is 
confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, 
dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by 
unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly 
prohibited. 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

 

Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free though.  
Extremely granular configuration options. 

 

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had thousandth of 
accounts on it, but now just a handful.

 

Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective for 
hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.

 

 

Get Outlook for iOS  


  _  


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com   mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] mail servers 

 

We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there.  It hangs all 
the time these days.  

 

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

 

 

NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This 

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it serves for 
employees and other business email addresses.  It is free that way and we don’t 
have to worry about anything else.  But for some reason the server hangs and 
needs to get rebooted, usually about the same time each day.  

Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things so we 
stopped using them some time ago.  For example, our scanner stopped being able 
to send emails due to something gmail did.  


From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you this. We 
are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office emails since its 
same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the mail. The cost of our 
mail is covered by the folks who have dropped service but wanted to keep their 
email, we actually make a tidy profit to cover any administrative stuff. 

for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I look at it is 
if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger problems than my email. 
Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email servers would have been a 
blast. but now its like maintaining a battery powered inverter just so i can 
still use my corded drill. I can, it will work, its not that complicated, but 
its nonetheless a dumb waste of time. 

dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources unless 
your monetizing it. too large an attack vector

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  It is only for our own company email.  No customers on it.  



  From: Tyson Burris 
  Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

  Surgemail is exactly what I used.  Seemed to be a good product.



  Tyson Burris, President 
  Internet Communications Inc. 
  739 Commerce Dr. 
  Franklin, IN 46131 

  Office # 317-738-0320 
  Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 
  Online: www.surfici.net 





  What can ICI do for you? 


  Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - 
Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. 

  CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the 
  addressee shown. It contains information that is 
  confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, 
  dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by 
  unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly 
  prohibited. 



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
  Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Steven Kenney 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers



  Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free though.  
Extremely granular configuration options. 



  On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had thousandth 
of accounts on it, but now just a handful.



Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective 
for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.





Get Outlook for iOS




From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] mail servers 



We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there.  It hangs 
all the time these days.  



-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com





  NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is 
intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is 
confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of an 
intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, 
dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is 
strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or without 
authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove it from your 
system.


--
  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Steve Jones]

How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you this.
We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office emails
since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the mail. The
cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have dropped service but
wanted to keep their email, we actually make a tidy profit to cover any
administrative stuff.

for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I look at
it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger problems than
my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email servers would
have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a battery powered inverter
just so i can still use my corded drill. I can, it will work, its not that
complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste of time.

dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources unless
your monetizing it. too large an attack vector

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> It is only for our own company email.  No customers on it.
>
>
>
> *From:* Tyson Burris
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers
>
>
> Surgemail is exactly what I used.  Seemed to be a good product.
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.*
> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *Office #* *317-738-0320 *
> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 *
> *Online: **www.surfici.net*
>
>
>
> [image: ICI]
>
> *What can ICI do for you?*
>
>
> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras
> - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.*
>
> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
> *addressee shown. It contains information that is*
> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
> *prohibited.*
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers
>
>
>
> Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free
> though.  Extremely granular configuration options.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had thousandth
> of accounts on it, but now just a handful.
>
>
>
> Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective
> for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.
>
>
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> --
>
> *From:* AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF <
> af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers
>
>
>
> We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there.  It hangs
> all the time these days.
>
>
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
>
>
>
>
> NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments,
> is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is
> confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of
> an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy,
> dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication
> is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or
> without authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove
> it from your system.
>
> --
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] EXTERNAL - Re: mail servers

[Kevin Neal]

It's been a long time since I've touched IceWarp, we used that to replace our 
Netscape Mail Server 1999 or 2000.  We are using MagicMail now for a few 
thousand customers, their support is great and it is mostly hands off for us.

For internal company e-mail we are using Office365.

-Kevin


From: AF  on behalf of Nate Burke 
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: EXTERNAL - Re: [AFMUG] mail servers


CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click 
links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content 
is safe. Please report all suspicious emails to info...@anthembusinessgroup.com 
as an attachment.


We also Run Icewarp since at least 2001 when I started.  It just works.  But 
not cheap.  The Per user licensing sucks now.  It's now geared as an Exchange 
competitor for enterprise, not simple POP/IMAP server like when we started.  We 
were on an unlimited users/domains license forever, they put us into a 1000 
user license now so we effectively have 'unlimited' we only use a few hundred 
seats.   $2000/year.

On 3/9/2023 7:36 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free though.  
Extremely granular configuration options.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had thousandth of 
accounts on it, but now just a handful.

Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective for 
hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.


Get Outlook for 
iOS

From: AF 
<af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
 on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF 
<af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] mail servers

We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there.  It hangs all 
the time these days.

--
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com


NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is 
intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is 
confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of an 
intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, 
dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is 
strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or without 
authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove it from your 
system.



-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Chuck McCown via AF]

It is only for our own company email.  No customers on it.  



From: Tyson Burris 
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

Surgemail is exactly what I used.  Seemed to be a good product.

 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
Office # 317-738-0320 
Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 
Online: www.surfici.net 

 



What can ICI do for you? 


Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - 
Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. 
  
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the 
addressee shown. It contains information that is 
confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, 
dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by 
unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly 
prohibited. 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

 

Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free though.  
Extremely granular configuration options. 

 

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had thousandth of 
accounts on it, but now just a handful.

   

  Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective for 
hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.

   

   

  Get Outlook for iOS


--

  From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF 

  Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: [AFMUG] mail servers 

   

  We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there.  It hangs all 
the time these days.  

   

  -- 
  AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

 

 

NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is 
intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is 
confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of an 
intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, 
dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is 
strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or without 
authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove it from your 
system.




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Jaime Solorza]

https://youtu.be/RUaYbfKZIiA

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 5:17 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had thousandth
> of accounts on it, but now just a handful.
>
> Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective
> for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> --
> *From:* AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF <
> af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers
>
> We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there.  It hangs
> all the time these days.
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Tyson Burris]

Surgemail is exactly what I used.  Seemed to be a good product.

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

Office # 317-738-0320
Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540
Online: www.surfici.net

[ICI]
What can ICI do for you?

Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - 
Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the
addressee shown. It contains information that is
confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,
dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by
unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly
prohibited.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free though.  
Extremely granular configuration options.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had thousandth of 
accounts on it, but now just a handful.

Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective for 
hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.


Get Outlook for iOS

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] mail servers

We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there.  It hangs all 
the time these days.

--
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com


NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is 
intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is 
confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of an 
intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, 
dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is 
strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or without 
authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove it from your 
system.
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Nate Burke]

We also Run Icewarp since at least 2001 when I started.  It just works.  
But not cheap.  The Per user licensing sucks now.  It's now geared as an 
Exchange competitor for enterprise, not simple POP/IMAP server like when 
we started.  We were on an unlimited users/domains license forever, they 
put us into a 1000 user license now so we effectively have 'unlimited' 
we only use a few hundred seats. $2000/year.


On 3/9/2023 7:36 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free 
though.  Extremely granular configuration options.


On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had
thousandth of accounts on it, but now just a handful.

Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost
effective for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.


Get Outlook for iOS 

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com  mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Cc:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers
We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there. 
It hangs all the time these days.
-- 
AF mailing list

AF@af.afmug.com 
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com



NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any 
attachments, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this 
email and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or 
acting on behalf of an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, 
conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of 
any part of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive 
this communication in error or without authorization, please notify 
the originator immediately and remove it from your system.





-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free though.
Extremely granular configuration options.

On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had thousandth
> of accounts on it, but now just a handful.
>
> Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective
> for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> --
> *From:* AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF <
> af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers
>
> We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there.  It hangs
> all the time these days.
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>

-- 


NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, 
is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is 
confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of 
an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, 
dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication 
is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or 
without authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove 
it from your system.
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Adam Moffett]

We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had thousandth of 
accounts on it, but now just a handful.

Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective for 
hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.


Get Outlook for iOS

From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF 

Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] mail servers

We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there.  It hangs all 
the time these days.

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com