I understand your point here. We still have Icewarp running for a handful of legacy things, but we’re actually on Office365 for company email. I largely agree with Steve on this. It’s not worth your trouble to run a mail server anymore.
Office365 has really aggressive spam filtering, you pretty much won’t get any spam if you use Office365. If you’re the guy with his own mail server it’s almost inevitable that Microsoft blocks you at some point for something that seems stupid. They are trigger happy a-holes about blocking things, but that’s how they stop all the rest of us from getting spam. They’re the hammer and everyone else is the nail. 1.3 million businesses in the US use Office365 and 87% of business email users are using Outlook. Join the collective. The Puppet Masters are benevolent overlords. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2023 2:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it serves for employees and other business email addresses. It is free that way and we don’t have to worry about anything else. But for some reason the server hangs and needs to get rebooted, usually about the same time each day. Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things so we stopped using them some time ago. For example, our scanner stopped being able to send emails due to something gmail did. From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing you this. We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our office emails since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the mail. The cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have dropped service but wanted to keep their email, we actually make a tidy profit to cover any administrative stuff. for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I look at it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger problems than my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with email servers would have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a battery powered inverter just so i can still use my corded drill. I can, it will work, its not that complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste of time. dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any resources unless your monetizing it. too large an attack vector On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: It is only for our own company email. No customers on it. From: Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers Surgemail is exactly what I used. Seemed to be a good product. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 Office # 317-738-0320 Cell/Direct # 317-412-1540 Online: www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net> What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Steven Kenney via AF Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Cc: Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mail servers Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free though. Extremely granular configuration options. On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues. At its peak we had thousandth of accounts on it, but now just a handful. Not free. And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email. Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> _____ From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > Subject: [AFMUG] mail servers We are having trouble with mailcow. Anything better out there. It hangs all the time these days. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is confidential. 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