Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Can't you find a key generator on a wareZ site it something or just grab a kid 
and have him hack it?   That's the American way no ?

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From: "Dev" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing
Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2023 8:13 PM

I’ve seen firewall folks upselling security feeds as add-ons, but when it comes 
to paywalling critical exploitable vulnerabilies, that feels more like 
exploitation by deliberate omission if you ‘choose’ not to spend a nice 
vacation’s pay to get back on their support treadmill so bad guys don’t flatten 
your network and demand a ransom. Some ransoms are more legal than others. 
Better support too - maybe.On Mar 15, 2023, at 5:32 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
 wrote:
I think you are going to find Juniper heading in that direction as well.
Take a look at white box hardware like UfiSpace or EdgeCore and software like 
IPInfusion.   Long term I think you might be happier.

MarkOn Mar 15, 2023, at 8:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:
And that's why we're switching to juniper.
Cisco has moved to a model where the software and hardware are licensed or sold 
separately on most platforms and the software is subscription based.

Not sure what the situation is with the 3660, but some revert to very basic 
functionality.   
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:08 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48 
POE ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the 
'Licensing' screen through the browser, it shows Authorization Status 
'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working 
after 90 days?  I haven't used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500 
switches were the last thing I dabbled with.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[Dev]

I’ve seen firewall folks upselling security feeds as add-ons, but when it comes 
to paywalling critical exploitable vulnerabilies, that feels more like 
exploitation by deliberate omission if you ‘choose’ not to spend a nice 
vacation’s pay to get back on their support treadmill so bad guys don’t flatten 
your network and demand a ransom. Some ransoms are more legal than others. 
Better support too - maybe.

> On Mar 15, 2023, at 5:32 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> I think you are going to find Juniper heading in that direction as well.
> 
> Take a look at white box hardware like UfiSpace or EdgeCore and software like 
> IPInfusion.   Long term I think you might be happier.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2023, at 8:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And that's why we're switching to juniper.
>> 
>> Cisco has moved to a model where the software and hardware are licensed or 
>> sold separately on most platforms and the software is subscription based.
>> 
>> Not sure what the situation is with the 3660, but some revert to very basic 
>> functionality.   
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:08 PM Nate Burke > > wrote:
>> I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48 
>> POE ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the 
>> 'Licensing' screen through the browser, it shows Authorization Status 
>> 'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working 
>> after 90 days?  I haven't used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500 
>> switches were the last thing I dabbled with.
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[Daniel Pautz via AF]

There has been a lot of Cisco hate to go around,  honestly over the years
that is all I have seen with WISP's,  "GOO Microtik, fuck cisco!!!".  To
answer your question  the switch will work fine after that.  Its likely the
demo of the advanced services which would be more than simple vlans.   

I am obviously biased myself towards Cisco,  we have on staff CCIE's and
large ASR's at all our locations running nearly 1Tbps of capacity,  but
dealing with large internet routers all that is out there is Cisco, Juniper,
Arista and Extreme Networks (still blows my mind extreme bought brocade and
didn't keep the better name).  

Dan

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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 4:03 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48 POE
ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the 'Licensing' screen
through the browser, it shows Authorization Status 'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day
countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working after 90 days?  I haven't
used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500 switches were the last thing I
dabbled with.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[Steve Jones]

I hate anything with a trial license you cant shut off. That usually ends
my evaluation of a product


On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:24 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> And that's why we're switching to juniper.
>
> Cisco has moved to a model where the software and hardware are licensed or
> sold separately on most platforms and the software is subscription based.
>
> Not sure what the situation is with the 3660, but some revert to very
> basic functionality.
>
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:08 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48
>> POE ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the
>> 'Licensing' screen through the browser, it shows Authorization Status
>> 'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working
>> after 90 days?  I haven't used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500
>> switches were the last thing I dabbled with.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[Mark Radabaugh]

I think you are going to find Juniper heading in that direction as well.

Take a look at white box hardware like UfiSpace or EdgeCore and software like 
IPInfusion.   Long term I think you might be happier.

Mark

> On Mar 15, 2023, at 8:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> And that's why we're switching to juniper.
> 
> Cisco has moved to a model where the software and hardware are licensed or 
> sold separately on most platforms and the software is subscription based.
> 
> Not sure what the situation is with the 3660, but some revert to very basic 
> functionality.   
> 
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:08 PM Nate Burke  > wrote:
>> I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48 
>> POE ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the 
>> 'Licensing' screen through the browser, it shows Authorization Status 
>> 'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working 
>> after 90 days?  I haven't used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500 
>> switches were the last thing I dabbled with.
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[Dev]

Cisco is like buying a car a piece at a time. Oh, you want the steering wheel? 
For all of Mikrotik’s - Mikrotik-ness, they come preloaded with all the things. 
I have a 3650 that’s sort of just working, but there was some weird update I 
needed for doing OSPF or some such, can’t recall. Also, Cisco threatens its own 
customers if ‘gasp’ you fall out of an active support contract, reinstatement 
fees equal to a year of college or something.

Juniper has been lovely, therefore took market from Cisco, hopefully they will 
stay relatively lovely, time will tell.

> On Mar 15, 2023, at 5:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> And that's why we're switching to juniper.
> 
> Cisco has moved to a model where the software and hardware are licensed or 
> sold separately on most platforms and the software is subscription based.
> 
> Not sure what the situation is with the 3660, but some revert to very basic 
> functionality.   
> 
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:08 PM Nate Burke  > wrote:
> I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48 
> POE ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the 
> 'Licensing' screen through the browser, it shows Authorization Status 
> 'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working 
> after 90 days?  I haven't used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500 
> switches were the last thing I dabbled with.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

And that's why we're switching to juniper.

Cisco has moved to a model where the software and hardware are licensed or
sold separately on most platforms and the software is subscription based.

Not sure what the situation is with the 3660, but some revert to very basic
functionality.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:08 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48
> POE ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the
> 'Licensing' screen through the browser, it shows Authorization Status
> 'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working
> after 90 days?  I haven't used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500
> switches were the last thing I dabbled with.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Back in the day, many of us bought one super cheap cisco product and use 
that to keep all the expensive gear up to date.  Always wondered why that 
allowed that.  I presume that leak in the dike was plugged a long time ago?



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From: Nate Burke

Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 4:02 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48
POE ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the
'Licensing' screen through the browser, it shows Authorization Status
'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working
after 90 days?  I haven't used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500
switches were the last thing I dabbled with.

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[AFMUG] Cisco Licensing

[Nate Burke]

I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48 
POE ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the 
'Licensing' screen through the browser, it shows Authorization Status 
'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working 
after 90 days?  I haven't used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500 
switches were the last thing I dabbled with.


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