I’ve seen firewall folks upselling security feeds as add-ons, but when it comes 
to paywalling critical exploitable vulnerabilies, that feels more like 
exploitation by deliberate omission if you ‘choose’ not to spend a nice 
vacation’s pay to get back on their support treadmill so bad guys don’t flatten 
your network and demand a ransom. Some ransoms are more legal than others. 
Better support too - maybe.

> On Mar 15, 2023, at 5:32 PM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
> 
> I think you are going to find Juniper heading in that direction as well.
> 
> Take a look at white box hardware like UfiSpace or EdgeCore and software like 
> IPInfusion.   Long term I think you might be happier.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2023, at 8:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> <li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>> 
>> And that's why we're switching to juniper.
>> 
>> Cisco has moved to a model where the software and hardware are licensed or 
>> sold separately on most platforms and the software is subscription based.
>> 
>> Not sure what the situation is with the 3660, but some revert to very basic 
>> functionality.   
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023, 4:08 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com 
>> <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
>> I just picked up a used Cisco 3650 switch off Ebay because I needed 48 
>> POE ports that can do Vlans on the cheap.  When I go into the 
>> 'Licensing' screen through the browser, it shows Authorization Status 
>> 'EVAL MODE' with a 90 day countdown timer.  Will the switch stop working 
>> after 90 days?  I haven't used anything Cisco in a long time.  3500 
>> switches were the last thing I dabbled with.
>> 
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