Re: [AFMUG] cnPulse Co-location Spacing

[Caleb Knauer]

Any that I've done went above the radio on the same pipe and it's been fine.

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 12:15 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> I'm adding 4 cnPulse modules to a tower (1 per 450M) Do they have to be
> spaced out, or can I mount them all one above the other on a tower leg?
> There's something floating around in my head about putting the receivers
> to close to each other.
>
> Or would you just mount the cnPulse above the 450m on each mount pipe.
> I'm guessing the tower wouldn't cause to many issues with the GPS
> receiver.  I know back in the day they used to be finicky about clear
> southern view, but the new receivers seem to not care as long as they
> can see any sky.
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Re: [AFMUG] WISPAMERICA COVID

[Caleb Knauer]

No 'rona, but every morning I did wake up with a bad case of "I'm
getting too old for this".  Luckily only temporary symptoms.

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 4:11 PM Matt Hoppes
 wrote:
>
> I'm just curious more than anything... did any of you that went to
> WISPAMERICA catch COVID?
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Re: [AFMUG] Voltage drop issues on 450b radio. I think.

[Caleb Knauer]

FYI 450b is power polarity agnostic, so you don't need to swap pairs.

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 9:13 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I am running into some issues with a 450b PTP setup. The Slave is running at 
> 200' of cable and the radio powers up, but doesn't transmit. I got it to talk 
> to the BHM (450b) and toned in the signal at -58 on both ends for a couple of 
> days at one point then it fizzled out. Swapped channel and frequencies, No 
> connection. Spectrum scan on both sides shows a totally clean channel in many 
> spots, and I have tried them all. I swapped out the radio and the same thing 
> happened. So... I am thinking it's voltage drop with the dinky 0.5 amp PSU.
> Does anyone make one that is 1-1.5 amps at 30vdc?
> I am going to take a 24vdc 1 amp power supply from a Ubiquiti radio and swap 
> pairs on the Ethernet cable to see if I can get it to work and prove my 
> theory.
> Has anyone ran into this situation?
>
> thanks,
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Re: [AFMUG] Small outside plant AC BOX?

[Caleb Knauer]

The stuff from IOIO Box seems to be getting popular.  Haven't used one
though so no feedback.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 8:20 AM Tushar Patel  wrote:
>
> Any suggestions on a small outside plant AC BOX For few switch’s and 4, 100 
> amp hrs battery?
>
> Tushar
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Best 90degree Sector to use with UBNT LTU APs

[Caleb Knauer]

Ah the joys and pains of a new gig :)

The original sector was good, but the new one does a much better job of
keeping the gain even across the entire band (where the original sector
wasn't optimized for the lower portion nearly as well).  Patterns across
the band as well and a lot of focus on balancing both polarizations.
Mechanicals and build quality have been improved too. Effectively the
original was an older model, and we used what we've learned over the years
of horn development to then optimize this new sector.  While horns are the
bread and butter, there are still a ton of networks across the world that
are more spread out on older radio technologies so our sectors can really
fit the bill there.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 10:00 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Gotta grill the new guy...
>
> I didn't watch the video, so maybe I will. The site, though, looks like
> every other RFE product page. The product looks like any other RFE sector
> I've had (through obviously with a couple of tweaks here and there).
>
> Admittedly, I haven't delved into it too deeply, but I guess that's mostly
> because it doesn't seem that different than your existing products.
>
>
>
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> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 15, 2021 8:52:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best 90degree Sector to use with UBNT LTU APs
>
> The site and the intro video embedded does a good job explaining it, and
> I'm still learning the ropes here.  But the main point is that there are
> inherent limitations of a patch array sector style antenna on its ability
> to maximize beam efficiency (basically how much RF energy goes out the main
> lobe vs what's lost to side/back lobes).  The Array Sector antenna is built
> to maximize the beam efficiency to be the best possible.  The gain is
> uniform across the whole spectrum, the V and H patterns are balanced which
> keeps your chain to chain performance even, and the back shield cuts out
> the lobes and makes for better colocation without the need for aftermarket
> shields.  The build quality is great, and it's set up for all the
> standard slide and click radios like LTU, 3k, mimosa, etc.  This makes for
> an optimized sector as best as you can get it.
>
> While our primary focus is on the horn market, the array sector definitely
> has a place in a tools in the tool box approach.  Typically these are used
> where clients are spread out across the coverage area, density is
> relatively low, and the distances are relatively long. Usually used in more
> rural deployments, but we're seeing folks mix them with horns in various
> layouts as well.
>
> We find that for LTU, the 60 degree asymmetric horn is typically the best
> fit for its mix of coverage area, gain, and noise isolation.  Noise
> isolation is really important with LTU as that platform doesn't like noise
> at all, and typically a 90 degree pattern is too wide.  You want a tighter
> coverage area with the best noise isolation that you can get, and the
> asymmetric horn fits that bill perfectly.
>
> Anyone looking for a deeper dive, please feel free to reach out and I can
> set up a chat with Tasos as he can explain this in deeper detail with more
> nuance than I can at the moment.  We'll be in Dallas also.  I'll be mainly
> handing out shirts and trying not to answer stuff wrong :-D
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 8:53 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> What's so special about the new sector?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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Re: [AFMUG] Best 90degree Sector to use with UBNT LTU APs

[Caleb Knauer]

The site and the intro video embedded does a good job explaining it, and
I'm still learning the ropes here.  But the main point is that there are
inherent limitations of a patch array sector style antenna on its ability
to maximize beam efficiency (basically how much RF energy goes out the main
lobe vs what's lost to side/back lobes).  The Array Sector antenna is built
to maximize the beam efficiency to be the best possible.  The gain is
uniform across the whole spectrum, the V and H patterns are balanced which
keeps your chain to chain performance even, and the back shield cuts out
the lobes and makes for better colocation without the need for aftermarket
shields.  The build quality is great, and it's set up for all the
standard slide and click radios like LTU, 3k, mimosa, etc.  This makes for
an optimized sector as best as you can get it.

While our primary focus is on the horn market, the array sector definitely
has a place in a tools in the tool box approach.  Typically these are used
where clients are spread out across the coverage area, density is
relatively low, and the distances are relatively long. Usually used in more
rural deployments, but we're seeing folks mix them with horns in various
layouts as well.

We find that for LTU, the 60 degree asymmetric horn is typically the best
fit for its mix of coverage area, gain, and noise isolation.  Noise
isolation is really important with LTU as that platform doesn't like noise
at all, and typically a 90 degree pattern is too wide.  You want a tighter
coverage area with the best noise isolation that you can get, and the
asymmetric horn fits that bill perfectly.

Anyone looking for a deeper dive, please feel free to reach out and I can
set up a chat with Tasos as he can explain this in deeper detail with more
nuance than I can at the moment.  We'll be in Dallas also.  I'll be mainly
handing out shirts and trying not to answer stuff wrong :-D

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 8:53 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> What's so special about the new sector?
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
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> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:48:09 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best 90degree Sector to use with UBNT LTU APs
>
> RF elements array sector is what you want if you want a 90-ish degree
> sector.  3db drop is around 75 degrees, 6db is around 100 degrees.
> Patterns on the site along with further info.
>
> https://rfelements.com/products/array-sector/array-sector-antennas/overview/
>
> Lot of horn choices are available too depending on your deployment.  A
> mix of horns and sectors might fit the bill even better.
>
> Email me at ca...@rfelements.com (I work there now) and we can set up
> a call to go into detail.
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 4:37 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
> >
> > What sayeth the crowd?  putting in a dozen or so LTU APs and looking for
> best performing sectors (90 and 60 degrees)
> >
> > thanks!
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: penny stocks

[Caleb Knauer]

n’t day trade anymore)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Those who don’t hold a stock for a year or longer will pay a much, much
>>>> larger capital gains tax  then those who do.  Short vs. Long term.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Examples of pros and cons…
>>>>
>>>> I took a 30K+ loss many years ago when earnings came out and the stock
>>>> tanked.  I had the stock purchased on Margin.  Had I not, the loss would
>>>> have been so much less.  I was forced into a Margin call and had to take
>>>> the large LOSS.  This is an example of Margin trading that caused a large
>>>> loss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> During Covid, I invested with Margin into a stock I knew would do
>>>> well.  At the peak, 3 million was made.  So this became a perfect case in
>>>> which Margin trading worked really to my benefit.  I had to hold this stock
>>>> for a year or longer to reduce the capital gain tax.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>>> *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>>> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>>>
>>>> *Office #* *317-738-0320 *
>>>> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 *
>>>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* <http://www.surfici.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: ICI]
>>>>
>>>> *What can ICI do for you?*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
>>>> Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.*
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 12, 2021 1:02 PM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: penny stocks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just dont get it
>>>>
>>>> I reset my account to specific cash amount. I dont understand buying
>>>> power, seems like credit.
>>>>
>>>> The one im toying with is RGBP, if someone can look and tell me what
>>>> thinkorswim is letting me do that the real world wouldnt allow
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:47 AM Carl Peterson <
>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is also pretty easy to look like a genius when markets are going up
>>>> an idiot on the way down.  Markets have been going up and up and up for a
>>>> long long time now.  At some point that party will end.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:44 AM Carl Peterson <
>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What is often missing from play accounts is often liquidity.  They
>>>> generally assume you can make any trade at wherever the current "price"
>>>> is.   If you are trading VWAPY that might generally be true.  Perhaps not
>>>> for VWAGY.  Often not when trending $rando penny stock.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 11:12 AM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> im simply not grasping this
>>>>
>>>> on the paper trading site, ive made 7500 this morning on 10k i was
>>>> playing with. thats 11,000 dollars in 2 days of playing around with
>>>> essentially 10,000 up front. There has to be more to this.
>>>>
>>>> i see on my schwab account if i make more than 4 same day trades in a
>>>> week i get flagged as a day trader and need to have 25,000 in my account or
>>>> i get a margin call. I dont know what that means, im not buying on margin,
>>>> it would be cash.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> assuming that I had actually had 10,000 in my real account, would I
>>>> really have profited 11,000 in 2 days on 5 trades? (there was some math
&g

Re: [AFMUG] Best 90degree Sector to use with UBNT LTU APs

[Caleb Knauer]

RF elements array sector is what you want if you want a 90-ish degree
sector.  3db drop is around 75 degrees, 6db is around 100 degrees.
Patterns on the site along with further info.
https://rfelements.com/products/array-sector/array-sector-antennas/overview/

Lot of horn choices are available too depending on your deployment.  A
mix of horns and sectors might fit the bill even better.

Email me at ca...@rfelements.com (I work there now) and we can set up
a call to go into detail.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 4:37 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> What sayeth the crowd?  putting in a dozen or so LTU APs and looking for best 
> performing sectors (90 and 60 degrees)
>
> thanks!
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: penny stocks

[Caleb Knauer]

It works great, right until it doesn't.  If it was that easy then we'd
all be wolf of wallstreet.

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:13 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> So I've been dicking around with the market, trivial amount, 5 shares per 
> stock. If I had put a lot in Tesco would have done me well.
>
> I have 100 shares of this penny stock, it's a gold backed cryptocurrency, I 
> watch it bounce a lot throug the day and its followed the same trend for its 
> couple months existence.
>
> So I set up a paper account and was dicking today with another penny stock. 
> Set buy and sell limits with about 10,000 in the play money. It made 4k in 2 
> rounds. It's just a couple pennies it fluctuates but at 500,000 shares that 
> adds up.
>
> I told the wife and of course she wants me to cash in something and play with 
> real money.
>
> I'm more inclined to see how the play money performs, I have some limits on 
> the crypto stock that we will see what happens on monday morning.
>
> I'm thinking to myself there has to be a catch. If it was that simple, 
> everybody would be doing it.
>
> You guys who mess around probably went through a time where you tried that 
> kind of trading, and none of you talk about it now, so I assume the catch is 
> pretty straight forward.
>
> I was looking at my IRA, it's done pretty good at 17 percent. But just taking 
> 10k of it and playing with this at 1 percent per trading day, that would be 
> another 27k annually.
>
> I do see why day traders need low latency though, but with limits I dont see 
> it has a lot of impact.
>
> What's to stop a guy from spending an hour or 2 every morning with a 
> relatively small amount in the big scheme of things like 10k trading to 1 
> percent or better and then going to work? 100 bucks a day or more doesnt seem 
> terrible for an hour.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Caleb Knauer]

I'm buying shots for every time someone says "uncertain/unprecedented times".

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 4:01 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> Just wondering if during these unprecedented times if there will be a crowd 
> or a ghost town in Grapevine TX.
> I've been to the LV WISPaPalooza shows a couple of times, is this any more 
> informative and better organized or??
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: yay for otterbox

[Caleb Knauer]

I've been running Otterbox Defenders on all my phones since the iphone
3GS.  It's a bit meaty on a big phone but haven't broken one yet
(knock on wood).

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 3:47 PM Jason McKemie
 wrote:
>
> Nice, that is a lot of phone to carry around with that case. I suppose it 
> paid off though.
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> Defender.  On a Pixel4XL
>>
>> On 3/30/2021 11:05 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Defender or commuter model?
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
>>> Climbing a grain leg, phone slipped off, fell 70 ft onto concrete. Zero 
>>> damage. Can't really even tell where it hit once I dusted off the case
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT old timer question

[Caleb Knauer]

Ah yes MD 20/20, the one time I attempted a back flip.  Good times, good times.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:55 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Oh gosh. I remember MD 20/20. It was made by Mogen David (the "MD"). We all 
> called it Mad Dog 20/20. And "20/20" was what you could not see after 
> drinking it.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/9/2021 8:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> the most we had was phone call and pages (before drug dealers took over 
> pagers, tons of people around here had them) that the quarries were blasting. 
> We had a tragic incident where a lady was out mowing and didnt get the page. 
> a chunk of stone happened to fly almost a mile and croaked her off her riding 
> mower. Im guessing it didnt matter what that lady did that day, it was her 
> last regardless.
> There are three sheds at one of our quarries, all us youth always knew that 
> one of the sheds had the boomsticks, I know that there were a lot of plans 
> hatched (usually with MD 20/20 or Mickeys) to appropriate the goods, but none 
> came to fruition. I assume obituaries would have been in order had anybody 
> actually acted on the plans.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 8:57 PM Chuck Macenski  wrote:
>>
>> I saw those commercials on TV in NW Indiana / the Chicagoland area.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 7:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>>
>>> I listened to a This American Life podcast about him last night.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> You should read up on our local celebrity true life detective Jay J. 
>>> Armes...his hands were blown off by those left by railroad tracks...
>>> He rescued Marlon Brando's son who was kidnapped using Cheater Bella , a 
>>> Vietnam era helicopter pilot I believe from Baja California...he also 
>>> started as an assassin on Hawaii Five 0...
>>> He was a pretty good county commissioner...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021, 4:59 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

 When I was young they had posters at grade school showing us what blasting 
 caps looked like and to tell a grup if we saw any.  I think there may have 
 been tv commercials too.  Just piqued my interest.  Maybe it was due to 
 growing up in logging country in Oregon.  Did they do this in other places 
 too?

 I found the lock open on an explosives locker at the county gravel pit and 
 played with caps and sticks of dynamite.  I never had the guts to actually 
 try to set it off but I took them out and messed with them.

 Couple of farm kids in the area got into their dads caps and it killed one 
 of them and blinded the other.

 I wonder when this ceased to be a thing?

 The big display boards they brought into JR High showing all the different 
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Re: [AFMUG] One of these things doesn't belong...

[Caleb Knauer]

This patch cable is blowing my mind it's so wrong.  Where did he even
get a shielded connector?  The freaking drain wire attached and
wrapped around.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 4:02 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:
>
> We started to see packet loss and had some blowers shut down ..
> Ran some scans and picked up IPs we didn't recognize...found six new devices 
> that didn't exist on network last week.
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Re: [AFMUG] Hiring a company fund manager

[Caleb Knauer]

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Stonks only go up

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 10:56 AM Matt Hoppes
 wrote:
>
> We have a sizeable amount of money sitting in a bank account right. This
> has been collected from various jobs that were rather ludicrous over the
> past year.
>
> There are several options for what we can do with these funds we can
> let them sit in a bank account until we need them and use them, and then
> go away.
>
> Or we can invest them (which I've started doing).   However, this is one
> more thing to add to my plate of things to manage on a daily/weekly basis.
>
> Through investing in ETFs and purchasing Option Call/Puts I've been able
> to return about $1,000/day.   This isn't consistent - but over a week a
> gain of several thousand is not out of the question.   Even on a market
> red day like today, our portfolio is up.
>
> My question is, has anyone here either done it, or considered hiring a
> full-time person to essentially manage surplus cash and make it print
> more cash through investing?   If done right, I feel like this could
> potentially finance a lot of future projects we want to build.  Of
> course, hire the wrong person and you lose all that money...
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Re: [AFMUG] looking for replacement 11 GHz 820C radio

[Caleb Knauer]

Should be C110082L027 and they should be compatible.  Only difference
is this is non-mimo and the 55 you have is mimo.  In these, the mimo
couldn't use the 2nd sfp for data, it was meant for the mimo
connection to another unit.  So if doing LAG you couldn't use the 2
fibers.  This was the original stock item.   A while back they changed
to stocking the non-mimo units as that is what most folks wanted.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 10:15 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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> Mark over at WAV is telling me that's an old version and there's a new P/N 
> and he's checking if they are compatible.  I assume he doesn't mean the 
> PTP850C.  I was unaware they had a new version, I only bought these 2 years 
> ago.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 9:02 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] looking for replacement 11 GHz 820C radio
>
> Yeah my bad on that, not enough coffee.  They are not showing stock for the 
> original one, but they are for the 27 non-mimo unit.  ISP Supplies shows the 
> 27 also.  WAV shows 15 in stock of the 27 too.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >
> > Oops, so they are not showing stock?
> >
> > If I'm seeing correctly, Streakwave has qty=1 in stock, not sure if that's 
> > Ohio or Utah.  If they have one I can't drive and get it at will call like 
> > I would from WAV, but I could overnight it in.
> >
> > I don't have a Winncomm account, not sure I can check stock status online.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
> > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 8:40 AM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] looking for replacement 11 GHz 820C radio
> >
> > Wait no I'm blind.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:38 AM Caleb Knauer  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Winncomm site says they have 9 in stock.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anyone have a spare Cambium P/N C110082B055A on the shelf?  That’s an 
> > > > 11 GHz 820C and I believe it’s the high side.  I’m trying the 
> > > > distributors but I think people have posted here about 820C supply 
> > > > problems lately so I’m not optimistic.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Really strange, we had a power outage and the radio seems stuck in a 
> > > > boot loop and won’t power up.  It was fine for 2 years before the power 
> > > > went off.  Cambium Support is wanting me to try logging in via a 
> > > > “protection cable” but I doubt that will work, it’s not that we lost 
> > > > the IP address, the radio seems to be rebooting every 45 seconds or so. 
> > > >  If I power it from one of the Cambium outdoor POEs (the ones that take 
> > > > 24 or 48 VDC in), the POE light actually goes orange periodically for a 
> > > > few seconds.  I had hoped it was a POE or power supply problem, but 
> > > > replacing them didn’t fix it.
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Re: [AFMUG] looking for replacement 11 GHz 820C radio

[Caleb Knauer]

Yeah my bad on that, not enough coffee.  They are not showing stock
for the original one, but they are for the 27 non-mimo unit.  ISP
Supplies shows the 27 also.  WAV shows 15 in stock of the 27 too.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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> Oops, so they are not showing stock?
>
> If I'm seeing correctly, Streakwave has qty=1 in stock, not sure if that's 
> Ohio or Utah.  If they have one I can't drive and get it at will call like I 
> would from WAV, but I could overnight it in.
>
> I don't have a Winncomm account, not sure I can check stock status online.
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2020 8:40 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] looking for replacement 11 GHz 820C radio
>
> Wait no I'm blind.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:38 AM Caleb Knauer  wrote:
> >
> > Winncomm site says they have 9 in stock.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone have a spare Cambium P/N C110082B055A on the shelf?  That’s an 11 
> > > GHz 820C and I believe it’s the high side.  I’m trying the distributors 
> > > but I think people have posted here about 820C supply problems lately so 
> > > I’m not optimistic.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Really strange, we had a power outage and the radio seems stuck in a boot 
> > > loop and won’t power up.  It was fine for 2 years before the power went 
> > > off.  Cambium Support is wanting me to try logging in via a “protection 
> > > cable” but I doubt that will work, it’s not that we lost the IP address, 
> > > the radio seems to be rebooting every 45 seconds or so.  If I power it 
> > > from one of the Cambium outdoor POEs (the ones that take 24 or 48 VDC 
> > > in), the POE light actually goes orange periodically for a few seconds.  
> > > I had hoped it was a POE or power supply problem, but replacing them 
> > > didn’t fix it.
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Re: [AFMUG] looking for replacement 11 GHz 820C radio

[Caleb Knauer]

Good catch.  C110082L027 is the same thing but NON-MIMO.  It's what
most are using now.  Winncom and ISP show stock on their sites.  We're
backordered.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:42 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
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> That’s the MIMO Version.  You can also look for the non MIMO version.  There 
> are two sets...not sure which one it would be.
>
> Lower part of the band, ends in 15/16
>
> Upper part of the band, ends in 27/28
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
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> On Nov 12, 2020, at 8:36 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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> 
>
> Anyone have a spare Cambium P/N C110082B055A on the shelf?  That’s an 11 GHz 
> 820C and I believe it’s the high side.  I’m trying the distributors but I 
> think people have posted here about 820C supply problems lately so I’m not 
> optimistic.
>
>
>
> Really strange, we had a power outage and the radio seems stuck in a boot 
> loop and won’t power up.  It was fine for 2 years before the power went off.  
> Cambium Support is wanting me to try logging in via a “protection cable” but 
> I doubt that will work, it’s not that we lost the IP address, the radio seems 
> to be rebooting every 45 seconds or so.  If I power it from one of the 
> Cambium outdoor POEs (the ones that take 24 or 48 VDC in), the POE light 
> actually goes orange periodically for a few seconds.  I had hoped it was a 
> POE or power supply problem, but replacing them didn’t fix it.
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Re: [AFMUG] looking for replacement 11 GHz 820C radio

[Caleb Knauer]

Wait no I'm blind.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:38 AM Caleb Knauer  wrote:
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> Winncomm site says they have 9 in stock.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >
> > Anyone have a spare Cambium P/N C110082B055A on the shelf?  That’s an 11 
> > GHz 820C and I believe it’s the high side.  I’m trying the distributors but 
> > I think people have posted here about 820C supply problems lately so I’m 
> > not optimistic.
> >
> >
> >
> > Really strange, we had a power outage and the radio seems stuck in a boot 
> > loop and won’t power up.  It was fine for 2 years before the power went 
> > off.  Cambium Support is wanting me to try logging in via a “protection 
> > cable” but I doubt that will work, it’s not that we lost the IP address, 
> > the radio seems to be rebooting every 45 seconds or so.  If I power it from 
> > one of the Cambium outdoor POEs (the ones that take 24 or 48 VDC in), the 
> > POE light actually goes orange periodically for a few seconds.  I had hoped 
> > it was a POE or power supply problem, but replacing them didn’t fix it.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] looking for replacement 11 GHz 820C radio

[Caleb Knauer]

Winncomm site says they have 9 in stock.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Anyone have a spare Cambium P/N C110082B055A on the shelf?  That’s an 11 GHz 
> 820C and I believe it’s the high side.  I’m trying the distributors but I 
> think people have posted here about 820C supply problems lately so I’m not 
> optimistic.
>
>
>
> Really strange, we had a power outage and the radio seems stuck in a boot 
> loop and won’t power up.  It was fine for 2 years before the power went off.  
> Cambium Support is wanting me to try logging in via a “protection cable” but 
> I doubt that will work, it’s not that we lost the IP address, the radio seems 
> to be rebooting every 45 seconds or so.  If I power it from one of the 
> Cambium outdoor POEs (the ones that take 24 or 48 VDC in), the POE light 
> actually goes orange periodically for a few seconds.  I had hoped it was a 
> POE or power supply problem, but replacing them didn’t fix it.
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Re: [AFMUG] space junk

[Caleb Knauer]

Dad loves that show.  We'd watch it on PBS every weekend.  I didn't
get why it was any good until I got older.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 9:33 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
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> i miss that show
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 8:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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>> Have to pronounce onion like Justin Wilson, the Cookin’ Cajun.  I gar-on-tee.
>>
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>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 5:32 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
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>> Thinking about grillions now. We BBQ's burgers last night, and I sliced some 
>> onion to char on the side. So is a BBQ-charred onion called a grillion?
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>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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>> https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-space-junk-cleanup
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>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Zach Underwood
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 5:01 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
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>>
>> Here are some of the variables that will affect deorbit Altitude, mass, 
>> speed and surface area. At the lower orbit aka 500km where starlink is there 
>> is still some atmosphere so they are are getting air resistance and are 
>> slowing down. As they slow down they get more air resistance until they 
>> fully deorbit. If I remember right the starlink satellites need boosting 
>> nearly  constantly or they will deorbit and will deorbit in less than 5 
>> years without the active management. It has been also said the satellites 
>> have been designed so completely break up during the orbit so that nothing 
>> reaches the ground.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 5:41 PM Robert  wrote:
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>> I think it's about how much delta v required to de-orbit vs. park.   For LEO 
>> sats the DV is smaller to deorbit vs. park.  For sync sats, it's just about 
>> getting it above the very valuable sync orbit.  So a small increase in orbit 
>> is not much fuel.   For lower than sync, it's a lot of unused space and a 
>> long way down to deorbit so they usually stay where they are.
>>
>> On 11/3/20 2:33 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> I think the best practice right now is to save enough propellant to boost 
>> your old satellite into a parking orbit.  The idea is we spent a grillion 
>> dollars putting it up there, and someday we might harvest old satellites for 
>> material rather than launching new stuff for a grillion more.  You'd have to 
>> burn propellant to de-orbit too, so if you're going to keep extra gas on the 
>> ship then you might as well use it to park instead.
>>
>> If Elon Musk wants to waste his own grillions by letting them burn up in the 
>> atmosphere, then he can do that.
>>
>> On 11/3/2020 4:28 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
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>> is there any accountability for debris left in space? like littering 
>> tickets? why hasnt somebody like elon musk made a space roomba that just 
>> goes and pings each item out of orbit back into the atmosphere since we know 
>> where it all is
>>
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>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:04 PM Brian Webster  
>> wrote:
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>> When you zoom in on the map the objects move in real time.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:47 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> What about the moon Nazis?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 12:21 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> I have this vague recollection that we currently can't even track all the
>> space junk. There was some lower limit, in the order of inches(?), below
>> which there isn't enough of a radar(?) return.
>>
>> All I want to know, how long until Kessler syndrome? :)
>>
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Cameron Crum" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] space junk
>>
>> Just because I know a bunch of you guys are interested in space stuff. Check
>> out this really cool site that shows every object in orbit around our
>> planet.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Sitrans 6Ghz radar pulse level transmitter

[Caleb Knauer]

I miss split system links with 1/2".  Commscope tool and ends and easy
to make and hard to mess up.  You can beat the heliax with a hammer
and it's fine, don't need to baby it like a fiber.  Standard hanger
options for days.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 1:23 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:
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> Installing this sensor in a few...tank climbing crew suiting up. Sending 1/2 
> inch Heliax up as well for licensed 928-952Mhz 5 watt MDS radio.
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Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??

[Caleb Knauer]

Extreme XPIC. XXPIC.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 4:39 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Reverse polarity.  Avoids all the interference from standard polarity.
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 6:31 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> I was just watching one of Rise Broadband's videos and there's a shot
>>
>>
>> where someone installed a RadioWaves radome upside down.
>>
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>> That would drive me crazy everytime I saw it on the tower, even if it
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>> wasn't mine.
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Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??

[Caleb Knauer]

Ok logo looks the same.  Radome assembly is different now though. I thought
about taking it apart and flipping but the oopsy risk was high.  Way easier
and safer to pull the sticker off and swap the drain plugs.

We standardized on Radiowaves because they’re already assembled and
stouter. Also stiff arm options are way more flexible. Costs more but the
time savings pay off esp when doing the 4ft+ sizes with what we do.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 4:25 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Like this one we put up I think 2 years ago?
>
> [image: A picture containing sitting, view, plane,
> largeDescription automatically generated]
>
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>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Caleb Knauer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 2, 2020 2:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??
>
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>
> I’ve got 3/4/6ft in front of me right now and they’re all vinyl sticker
> logo. They may have changed it earlier this year about the same time they
> stopped putting the 820 mounting brackets on. Now it’s separate box with
> some spacers etc. First round didn’t have any instructions and they weren’t
> on the website either. Fun times.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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> Now that I think of it, we’ve put up several 2 ft 11 GHz Radiowaves dishes
> this year and I don’t think any of them had logos on the radomes.  Neither
> pre-applied nor in the box.
>
>
>
> We also put up some 1 ft 18 GHz Andrew/Commscope dishes and those also had
> no logo.  No Andrew lightning bolt either.  But those are very small dishes.
>
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> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 2, 2020 1:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??
>
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>
> Peel off and leave it or put your own on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 2, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Caleb Knauer  wrote:
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> They come with the logo as stickers now. Pulls off real easy :)
>
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> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:19 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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> I have some like that.  Part of the reason to pay the extra money for
>
> Radiowaves dishes is they aren't like Ikea furniture, they come mostly
>
> assembled (and any remaining assembly is easy).
>
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> And if you want it to mount on the left side of the pole, you flip it
> upside
>
> down and move the drain plugs, but then the logo is upside down.  Would you
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> really remove and reattach the radome just to make the logo rightside up?
>
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> -Original Message-
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> From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 6:34 AM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??
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>
> And, I think I would have used a different picture in my promotional video
>
> after I realized it was installed upside down
>
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>
> Regards,
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> David Coudron
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> -Original Message-
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> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 6:30 AM
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> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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> Subject: [AFMUG] Who installed this??
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>
> I was just watching one of Rise Broadband's videos and there's a shot where
>
> someone installed a RadioWaves radome upside down.
>
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>
> That would drive me crazy everytime I saw it on the tower, even if it
> wasn't
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Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??

[Caleb Knauer]

I’ve got 3/4/6ft in front of me right now and they’re all vinyl sticker
logo. They may have changed it earlier this year about the same time they
stopped putting the 820 mounting brackets on. Now it’s separate box with
some spacers etc. First round didn’t have any instructions and they weren’t
on the website either. Fun times.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Now that I think of it, we’ve put up several 2 ft 11 GHz Radiowaves dishes
> this year and I don’t think any of them had logos on the radomes.  Neither
> pre-applied nor in the box.
>
>
>
> We also put up some 1 ft 18 GHz Andrew/Commscope dishes and those also had
> no logo.  No Andrew lightning bolt either.  But those are very small dishes.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 2, 2020 1:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??
>
>
>
> Peel off and leave it or put your own on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Caleb Knauer  wrote:
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> 
>
> They come with the logo as stickers now. Pulls off real easy :)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:19 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I have some like that.  Part of the reason to pay the extra money for
>
> Radiowaves dishes is they aren't like Ikea furniture, they come mostly
>
> assembled (and any remaining assembly is easy).
>
>
>
> And if you want it to mount on the left side of the pole, you flip it
> upside
>
> down and move the drain plugs, but then the logo is upside down.  Would you
>
> really remove and reattach the radome just to make the logo rightside up?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 6:34 AM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??
>
>
>
> And, I think I would have used a different picture in my promotional video
>
> after I realized it was installed upside down
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 6:30 AM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Who installed this??
>
>
>
> I was just watching one of Rise Broadband's videos and there's a shot where
>
> someone installed a RadioWaves radome upside down.
>
>
>
> That would drive me crazy everytime I saw it on the tower, even if it
> wasn't
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> mine.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP

[Caleb Knauer]

Yeah we’re taking to them. It’s not HFT but similar idea.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 2:07 PM Daniel White  wrote:

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> HFT.  Fun stuff.
>
> Martins Dzelda at SAF is the guy to talk to.
> martins.dze...@saftehnika.com
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> Everything
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> I could say is probably under NDA so nyet.
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> Daniel White
> Co-Founder &
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> September
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> 1, 2020 at 08:36
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> Anybody
>
> here up to date on current ultra low latency licensed PTP gear?  Like
>
> in HFT networks. Trying to round up the current players.
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Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??

[Caleb Knauer]

They come with the logo as stickers now. Pulls off real easy :)

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:19 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have some like that.  Part of the reason to pay the extra money for
>
> Radiowaves dishes is they aren't like Ikea furniture, they come mostly
>
> assembled (and any remaining assembly is easy).
>
>
>
> And if you want it to mount on the left side of the pole, you flip it
> upside
>
> down and move the drain plugs, but then the logo is upside down.  Would you
>
> really remove and reattach the radome just to make the logo rightside up?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 6:34 AM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who installed this??
>
>
>
> And, I think I would have used a different picture in my promotional video
>
> after I realized it was installed upside down
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 6:30 AM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Who installed this??
>
>
>
> I was just watching one of Rise Broadband's videos and there's a shot where
>
> someone installed a RadioWaves radome upside down.
>
>
>
> That would drive me crazy everytime I saw it on the tower, even if it
> wasn't
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> mine.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP

[Caleb Knauer]

Interesting. I’ll check it out.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 11:19 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

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> It seems most of what I still notice are the Cielo radios.  But
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> almost all of the HFT Guys in Chicago have switched over to the
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> Ionosphere antennas.  Where they have the huge yagi antennas with
>
> just a single licensed link back to the Datacenter.  I can count 10
>
> different sites within 15 miles that are using this setup.  One of
>
> the towers we are on is in the process of installing a 3 antenna
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> system, 30'x40' antennas at 100', 125' and 150'.  Single licensed
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> On 9/1/2020 10:03 AM, Mike Hammett
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> There is a whole other class of
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> The radios are optimized so that the data spends as few
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> Mike Hammett
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> Intelligent Computing
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> Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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>
> *From: *"Bill Prince"  
>
>
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>
>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:47:00 AM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP
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> All the licensed gear I know of is full duplex, and
>
> should have near wire speed latency. The latency should be
>
> proportional to the link distance.
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> bp
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> On 9/1/2020 7:36 AM, Caleb
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> Knauer wrote:
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> Anybody here up to date on current ultra low latency
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> licensed PTP gear?  Like in HFT networks. Trying to round
>
> up the current players.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP

[Caleb Knauer]

Bingo. SAF has their solution but somewhat limited on bandwidth. I’m sure
most of it is. All I want is a ton of bandwidth and usec latency across a
few hundred miles. And a pony.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 11:19 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I think he’s referring to modified gear that bypasses some of the packet
> processing and associated buffering and just forwards the bits as they come
> in.  Kind of like a cut-through switch that starts forwarding a frame as
> soon as the header is received.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:47 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP
>
>
>
> All the licensed gear I know of is full duplex, and should have near wire
> speed latency. The latency should be proportional to the link distance.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 9/1/2020 7:36 AM, Caleb Knauer wrote:
>
> Anybody here up to date on current ultra low latency licensed PTP gear?
> Like in HFT networks. Trying to round up the current players.
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[AFMUG] Ultra low latency PTP

[Caleb Knauer]

Anybody here up to date on current ultra low latency licensed PTP gear?
Like in HFT networks. Trying to round up the current players.
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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Caleb Knauer]

If you open it up it gives you the full BOM.  Link is $17k with 6' RFS
dishes, stiff arms, leg mounts, cables, blah blah blah.  I haven't
priced an RFS or hung one but I'd imagine they're up there with the
others in terms of pricing (bling bling y'all). It's also all remote
mount which adds cost.  Kind of a strange build.

Also the spares column looks like they goofed cuz they got an
additional 4x spare ODU's on there with full licences.  Maybe it's
like Contact where why build 1 when you ban build 2 for twice the
price?

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> I don't quite understand how they're coming up with that pricing. I'm 
> guessing that must be for WTM4200 dual transceiver radios, which there's 
> really no need for if you're only looking for 100Mbps capacity, but even 
> then, it seems high to me.
>
> I don't even see any antennas that expensive listed in Aviat's store, so I 
> don't know how they're coming up with that either, unless they're just giving 
> you really bad pricing compared to the rest of us.
>
> I'm coming up with around $7500 for a complete WTM 4100 single polarity link 
> with 4' dishes, licensed for up to 500Mbps. Even if you need to go up to 6' 
> dishes, add spares, extended warranty FCC licensing and whatever various 
> accessories I might have missed, it should be well under $20k (I would guess 
> more like $12k-$15k max).
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Re: [AFMUG] Wiring position on DC Defender

[Caleb Knauer]

Surge is the side where the surge comes from. So at the top, surge is your
tower run and equipment is your radio. On the ground, surge is tower run
and equipment is the power supply. At least that’s the way I’ve always done
it.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:05 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> I have never used a Transtectir DC Defender before and am always confused
> by wiring nomenclature. There are two inputs, Surge and Equip. Which one
> goes to the power supply?
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Re: [AFMUG] Ground lugs and tools

[Caleb Knauer]

Thanks y'all!

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 6:04 PM  wrote:
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> Burndy crimpers are very nice.  Very expensive too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:02 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground lugs and tools
>
> I got one a long time ago from Harbor Freight (no comments please). It
> was only about $60, and I think it is rated at 8 tons. It comes in a
> nice case and has a bunch of different sized dies. I think I got it
> originally to crimp some stainless cable rail ends. I didn't have high
> expectations for it, but it's always worked just fine. On softer things
> like copper lugs it should work perfectly fine.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/19/2020 2:42 PM, Caleb Knauer wrote:
> > What is everyones favorite ground lug and compression tool setup for
> > bonding grounds (surge protector, rack, equipment, etc) to bus bars in
> > equipment shelters? Anything stand out above the rest?
> >
> > Caleb
> >
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[AFMUG] Ground lugs and tools

[Caleb Knauer]

What is everyones favorite ground lug and compression tool setup for
bonding grounds (surge protector, rack, equipment, etc) to bus bars in
equipment shelters? Anything stand out above the rest?

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Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

[Caleb Knauer]

Last few we did were all 20+ miles.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:33 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:
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> Yep...I help maintain two long 6GHz STLs for a Christian Radio station...El 
> Paso to Las Cruces, Las Cruces to tower on mountain above Hatch , NM..
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 3:47 PM Caleb Knauer  wrote:
>>
>> The majority of broadcast TV and radio STL replacements I've been
>> involved with have been 6Ghz due to distances to transmitter towers
>> and fade margins.  Those aren't going away, and they have a pretty big
>> voice with the feds.  AFC feels like it could be quite the boondoggle.
>> But we shall see.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:39 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> >
>> > But unlike 11/18/23 GHz it can be used for PTP links >10 miles based on 
>> > rain fade characteristics.  And there are many existing links.  Just 
>> > saying your spectrum would be nice for indoor WiFi doesn’t make them go 
>> > away, and the service carried on those existing links is often critical 
>> > traffic.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM
>> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Honestly I think that 6ghz licensed is becoming less practical. As more 
>> > and more fiber is run to the tower the 6ghz band would be much more better 
>> > utilized for last mile PTMP and indoor wifi.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:30 PM Tim Reichhart 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it 
>> > WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> > Date: 04/23/20 10:14
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>> >
>> > So did WISPA make this happen?  Or was it the millions these companies 
>> > dropped that made it happen?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen  wrote:
>> >
>> > The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name 
>> > companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of 
>> > them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power 
>> > (WiFi6) usage.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>> >
>> > There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out 
>> > of the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the 
>> > common man/small business.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So the question is who can utilize this spectrum?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>> >
>> > FCC has total authority over these bands.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of 
>> > Congress?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > yes you are right.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Erich Kaiser
>> >
>> > North Central Tower
>> >
>> > er...@northcentraltower.com
>> >
>> > Office: 815-570-3101
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> >
>> > More like 4.9 to 7.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM
>> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Two of the UNII  bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean 
>> > heavily, so reall

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun

[Caleb Knauer]

Noticing more and more buzz cuts in our video meetings lately.
Luckily summer time makes it more feasible.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:
>
> When I get a crew cut am I appropriating skin head culture?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jay Weekley
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 12:55 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fun
>
> Actually, I can rock an afro.  I was actually looking for my afro pick
> earlier today.  Seriously.
>
> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > We all knew you were a troll.
> > -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley Sent: Thursday, April 23,
> > 2020 11:05 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re:
> > [AFMUG] OT Fun
> > I'm contemplating some dire options.  My hair grows out, not downs, so
> > I'll look more like the guy that lives under a bridge than a hippy.
> >
> > ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

[Caleb Knauer]

The majority of broadcast TV and radio STL replacements I've been
involved with have been 6Ghz due to distances to transmitter towers
and fade margins.  Those aren't going away, and they have a pretty big
voice with the feds.  AFC feels like it could be quite the boondoggle.
But we shall see.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:39 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> But unlike 11/18/23 GHz it can be used for PTP links >10 miles based on rain 
> fade characteristics.  And there are many existing links.  Just saying your 
> spectrum would be nice for indoor WiFi doesn’t make them go away, and the 
> service carried on those existing links is often critical traffic.
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:29 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>
>
>
> Honestly I think that 6ghz licensed is becoming less practical. As more and 
> more fiber is run to the tower the 6ghz band would be much more better 
> utilized for last mile PTMP and indoor wifi.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:30 PM Tim Reichhart 
>  wrote:
>
> I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it 
> WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Date: 04/23/20 10:14
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>
> So did WISPA make this happen?  Or was it the millions these companies 
> dropped that made it happen?
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen  wrote:
>
> The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name 
> companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of 
> them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power (WiFi6) 
> usage.
>
>
>
> I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out of 
> the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the common 
> man/small business.
>
>
>
> So the question is who can utilize this spectrum?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> FCC has total authority over these bands.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
>
> How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of 
> Congress?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser  
> wrote:
>
> yes you are right.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> More like 4.9 to 7.
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>
>
>
> Two of the UNII  bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, 
> so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum proposed 
> will likely be unuseable outdoor.  I feel like from a reliability standpoint 
> it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general.   What about 
> the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able to cover the 
> entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently?  Just thinking...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list:
>
>
>
> "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard 
> Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that 
> determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have 
> geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the "client 
> AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, so the 
> licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch of 
> companies have already been working on AFCs.
>
>
> The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It is 
> limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be weatherproof, 
> must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 dBm). Since those 
> can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit concerned. But between 
> building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the directionality of the FS 
> dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is likely to be a volume 
> market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, and ours, will be 
> standard power.
>
> The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like cell 
> phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for AFC-controlled 
> devices."
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza  
> wrote:
>
> Yep...lots of 

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

[Caleb Knauer]

ULS is gonna have to get way more gerbils, it barely runs on a good day.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 8:25 AM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> Everyone on the unlicensed side is now claiming that this was their baby, but 
> if you really want to do know where the influence came from - follow the 
> lobbying and follow the money.  Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, Apple & Google 
> spent over $16 million in 1st Qtr of 2020 - this thing didn't spring up over 
> night and the $$$ spent on this over the last five years is astronomical.  It 
> took a ton of lobbying at both the FCC and Congress just to get to the Rule 
> Making process that started on Oct 1, 2018, and the RM garnered over 700 
> comments, reply comments and ex-parte filings.
>
> The success / failure of this relies heavily on the AFC to adequately protect 
> both existing and new incumbents.  Standard power devices must check-in with 
> the AFC at least once a day.  The AFC will rely solely on ULS (per FCC 
> requirement) and it is widely recognized that ULS has major problems and 
> deficiencies - in fact, the WTB will be issuing a Public Notice reminding 
> licensees of their duty to ensure that their licenses are complete and 
> accurate.  The AFC systems must go through a testing and certification 
> process and this will further delay things.  Its going to take some time for 
> all of this before devices that require the AFC to be used.
>
> FYI - in a letter dated January 2018, the RLAN group that includes Apple, 
> Broadcom, Cisco and HP projects over 958,062,017 unlicensed devices at 6 GHz.
>
> On Apr 23, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Tim Withrow via AF  wrote:
>
> After posting this I seen an article that said they (WFA) was the crusader. 
> Wispa seems to be a member of that group as well.
> https://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-6
>
>
>
> 
> On Thursday, April 23, 2020 Tim Reichhart  wrote:
>
> I dont think it was WISPA I think other companies had there fingers in it 
> WISPA isnt that big in DC like some of these other companies.
>
>
>
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Date: 04/23/20 10:14
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>
> So did WISPA make this happen?  Or was it the millions these companies 
> dropped that made it happen?
>
> On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen  wrote:
>
> The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name 
> companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you've heard of 
> them. They're interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power (WiFi6) 
> usage.
>
> I'm certain they've dropped millions lobbying for this.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out of 
> the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the common 
> man/small business.
>
> So the question is who can utilize this spectrum?
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> FCC has total authority over these bands.
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
>
> How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act of 
> Congress?
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser  
> wrote:
>
> yes you are right.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> More like 4.9 to 7.
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>
>
>
> Two of the UNII  bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean heavily, 
> so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum proposed 
> will likely be unuseable outdoor.  I feel like from a reliability standpoint 
> it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in general.   What about 
> the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able to cover the 
> entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently?  Just thinking...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 815-570-3101
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list:
>
>
>
> "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard 
> Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that 
> determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have 
> geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the "client 
> AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, so the 
> licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch of 
> companies have already been working on AFCs.
>
>
> The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It is 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT business decorum

[Caleb Knauer]

My day to day language is admittedly pretty salty, especially when
tired or after a few beverages.  Must be my inner grumpy redneck.  But
you have to be able to flip that switch when you're in a professional
setting unless you've bonded with someone of a like mind.  The new
sales reps are surprised when they get on a client call for the first
time or two with me and I kick into what I call "customer voice".  The
circle back afterwards is always a good time.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:54 AM  wrote:
>
> Had a vendor make a visit to my company a while back and during the visit he 
> was dropping the F bomb left and right.  I would have thought he would have 
> toned it down as my wife was in the meeting.  After he left I told a 
> manufacturer’s rep about it and he contacted the guys boss and the next thing 
> I know the guy is apologizing.  Was not trying to cause him problems as work, 
> just asking for a sanity check.
>
> I have been in probably thousands of board and business meetings over the 
> years, and don’t recall anyone ever being gratuitous in the use of the F 
> word.  I do recall one of the big bosses at Harris Broadcast in Quincy Il 
> complaining about their director of sales being too salty for high end 
> businesses meetings.
>
> Then yesterday I was taken to task by a video blogger which had done a pretty 
> good job in his Tesla review except for the F bomb every other sentence.  I 
> told him it was about as welcome as a fart in an elevator.  He thinks I am 
> too old to have a valid opinion.  I guess he is one of those thin skinned 
> millennials...
>
> TV shows it all the time, but I don’t think it is common in the business 
> world.  Perhaps Utah is in a bubble?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT masks

[Caleb Knauer]

Probably wouldn't help.  Idiots gonna idiot.  Only way someone like
this takes this (or anything that doesn't fit into their idiot
flavored world view) seriously is for it to hit them personally.  And
then they'll complain no one told them.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:18 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> There should be a t-shirt for that.
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
> Account)
> Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 10:26 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
>
>
>
> I would have probably said something like "I'm wearing this for *your* 
> benefit *not* mine.   Don't call me a chicken for protecting your life.".
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 8:23 PM  wrote:
>
> No, sorry.  The redneck and his woman were not wearing masks.
>
>
>
> From: Matt Hoppes
>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:11 PM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT masks
>
>
>
> Very confused by this story. Other people wearing masks made fun of you 
> wearing a mask?
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2020, at 9:43 PM,   wrote:
>
> Put on gloves and a mask to pick up a few things at the grocery store.  
> Walked in and there was a construction worker in a mask, then a soccer 
> mom then a skinny redneck, with his skinny redneck wife.  Started 
> clucking like a chicken when he saw me and his wife was taking a video.  Was 
> not quite calling me a chicken loud enough that I could clearly make out 
> exactly what he was doing, but was grandstanding for his skanky woman
>
>
>
> Funny how fast my natural pugilistic nature of my youth sprung into action.  
> I literally had to stop myself from backing him into a display of pork and 
> beans with some comments of “you got a problem with me”.  Visions of a throat 
> punch were clear in my head...
>
>
>
> But I calmed myself, reminded myself that going to jail or the ER or a 
> dentist would not be fun this evening, and moved alone.  Ran into a handful 
> of other chickens on the way out the store.
>
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> 
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>
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] my new source of coronavirus advice

[Caleb Knauer]

His tiny donkey is making a lot more sense now than the other braying
jackass currently on TV.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:32 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

[Caleb Knauer]

But back seat driving is so much fun.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:50 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> I think at this point we are just going to go back out and try it without the 
> Dragonwave adapter by swapping the mounting plate on the back of the antennas 
> to the Cambium plates.   We have a set of mounting plates on hand.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mar 6, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Caleb Knauer  wrote:
>
> He swapped radio pairs with known good in the field and that wasn't it.  And 
> you can't rotate ODU flanges on C, they're fixed and meant to go to some 
> mediation devices.  You can on the single core S.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:43 PM  wrote:
>>
>> If somehow those rectangular sections are not aligned you could have that 
>> problem.
>> I am leaning toward a bad radio.
>> You could put both radios on the bench.  Divert one of the rectangular 
>> waveguides  on each end.
>> I would not block it but just put some kind of 45 degree reflector in front 
>> of it to direct the signal somewhere else.
>> Or if you could find some absorbing foam to put in front of it.
>>
>> From: Roland Houin
>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:35 PM
>> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>>
>>
>> I believe that you can rotate the waveguides in the odu.
>>
>> That could result in an incorrect polarization..
>>
>> I believe we have run into that in the past
>>
>>
>>
>> Roland
>>
>>
>>
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 2:32 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>>
>>
>>
>> Acorns in the radome.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mark Radabaugh
>>
>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 12:18 PM
>>
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>>
>>
>>
>> Not a lot of options to put these together wrong.  Line up the hangers and 
>> it’s good to go:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Radabaugh
>>
>> Amplex
>>
>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>>
>> Luckey, OH 43443
>>
>> 419-261-5996
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> whats the OMT look like? That V/H pin puts the plate at 45?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:48 PM Caleb Knauer  wrote:
>>
>> If that center part is press fit in slightly catawampus and not 100%
>> plumb then it could cause issues.  Or the pipe isn't 100% either.  But
>> kind of grasping at straws with that.
>>
>> On the C's I've bench tested with XPIC without antennas, it'll talk to
>> either one IIRC if you run 2/1 or 1/2 as I've played with it.  It's
>> really not happy about it though.  I'd have to confirm though, been a
>> bit.
>>
>> XPIC keys or settings wouldn't affect the raw RXL levels, it just
>> blows out your MSE if they're crossed.  I've seen links where they
>> didn't turn on anything XPIC but set it up and it works, just kinda
>> janky.
>>
>> You could always mute one core on both sides and sanity check that way
>> too.  If something is crossed, it'd show the right RXL one on core and
>> 30ish dBm down on the other core.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> >
>> > You look at Mark's photo and think what could possibly be wrong, it's a 
>> > round hole.  How many ways are there to install a round hole, it's like 
>> > the proverbial one car funeral procession.
>> >
>> > And I guess with an 820C + OMT, having H and V swapped shouldn't be 
>> > possible, and even if they were, it would still work if you did the same 
>> > thing at both ends.  I wouldn't assume though that XPIC would straighten 
>> > out an H/V swap, I don't think it's like MIMO on WiFi.  XPIC assumes the 
>> > antenna cross pol rejection does most of the work and it has to clean up 
>> > what remains.
>> >
>> > I'm assuming you have the XPIC keys enabled, although that would probably 
>> > create an alarm not the symptoms you are seeing.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
>> > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 11:40 AM
>> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>> >
>> > With XPIC it wouldn't matter that slot

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

[Caleb Knauer]

Lots more info and instructions in this post:
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Licensed-Microwave/Re-Use-Existing-Antennas-for-PTP820/td-p/84401

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:56 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> whats the OMT look like? That V/H pin puts the plate at 45?
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:48 PM Caleb Knauer  wrote:
>>
>> If that center part is press fit in slightly catawampus and not 100%
>> plumb then it could cause issues.  Or the pipe isn't 100% either.  But
>> kind of grasping at straws with that.
>>
>> On the C's I've bench tested with XPIC without antennas, it'll talk to
>> either one IIRC if you run 2/1 or 1/2 as I've played with it.  It's
>> really not happy about it though.  I'd have to confirm though, been a
>> bit.
>>
>> XPIC keys or settings wouldn't affect the raw RXL levels, it just
>> blows out your MSE if they're crossed.  I've seen links where they
>> didn't turn on anything XPIC but set it up and it works, just kinda
>> janky.
>>
>> You could always mute one core on both sides and sanity check that way
>> too.  If something is crossed, it'd show the right RXL one on core and
>> 30ish dBm down on the other core.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> >
>> > You look at Mark's photo and think what could possibly be wrong, it's a 
>> > round hole.  How many ways are there to install a round hole, it's like 
>> > the proverbial one car funeral procession.
>> >
>> > And I guess with an 820C + OMT, having H and V swapped shouldn't be 
>> > possible, and even if they were, it would still work if you did the same 
>> > thing at both ends.  I wouldn't assume though that XPIC would straighten 
>> > out an H/V swap, I don't think it's like MIMO on WiFi.  XPIC assumes the 
>> > antenna cross pol rejection does most of the work and it has to clean up 
>> > what remains.
>> >
>> > I'm assuming you have the XPIC keys enabled, although that would probably 
>> > create an alarm not the symptoms you are seeing.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
>> > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 11:40 AM
>> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>> >
>> > With XPIC it wouldn't matter that slot 1 was talking to slot 2 on the 
>> > other side, it wouldn't know.  At least I think anyways.  Since it's just 
>> > looking for RX on the frequency it's set, and it's on the same on both 
>> > ends, and it'd still have XPD to separate the two.  You could rotate one 
>> > end 90 degrees to simulate on the office rig to test I suppose.  Plus 
>> > anyways if you can't get signal worth a flip on the office rig, even if it 
>> > was a polarity thing, that short of a link should blast it through to 
>> > something you'd see.
>> >
>> > Only thing I can think of is that something in that tube is not aligned, 
>> > bad press fit or mill or something like that and the waves are getting 
>> > blown out of phase or similar.  There's not but one way to put it 
>> > together, and 820c -> OMT takes it to circular and you have circular to 
>> > dish.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:30 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Odd thing is I don’t see any way to assemble this any way that would 
>> > > swap polarity.  Only way to screw it up would be internal to the OMT 
>> > > itself.   We are doing XPIC with this link which we have not done in a 
>> > > lot of other places, so that is different.
>> > >
>> > > Mark
>> > >
>> > > On Mar 6, 2020, at 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > 
>> > > V being swapped will always cost you at least 20 dB and if you have 
>> > > them precisely aligned V I can see where 40 dB is reasonable.
>> > >
>> > > From: Ken Hohhof
>> > > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 10:18 AM
>> > > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > OK, that says the antenna should be dual pol capable.  So … is a 
>> > > puzzlement.  You’d expect a problem would cost a few dB, not 40 dB.  
>> > > Unless H & V were swapped.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sounds like Cambium is looking into it, maybe they come up with some 
>> > > ideas.
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

[Caleb Knauer]

If that center part is press fit in slightly catawampus and not 100%
plumb then it could cause issues.  Or the pipe isn't 100% either.  But
kind of grasping at straws with that.

On the C's I've bench tested with XPIC without antennas, it'll talk to
either one IIRC if you run 2/1 or 1/2 as I've played with it.  It's
really not happy about it though.  I'd have to confirm though, been a
bit.

XPIC keys or settings wouldn't affect the raw RXL levels, it just
blows out your MSE if they're crossed.  I've seen links where they
didn't turn on anything XPIC but set it up and it works, just kinda
janky.

You could always mute one core on both sides and sanity check that way
too.  If something is crossed, it'd show the right RXL one on core and
30ish dBm down on the other core.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> You look at Mark's photo and think what could possibly be wrong, it's a round 
> hole.  How many ways are there to install a round hole, it's like the 
> proverbial one car funeral procession.
>
> And I guess with an 820C + OMT, having H and V swapped shouldn't be possible, 
> and even if they were, it would still work if you did the same thing at both 
> ends.  I wouldn't assume though that XPIC would straighten out an H/V swap, I 
> don't think it's like MIMO on WiFi.  XPIC assumes the antenna cross pol 
> rejection does most of the work and it has to clean up what remains.
>
> I'm assuming you have the XPIC keys enabled, although that would probably 
> create an alarm not the symptoms you are seeing.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 11:40 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>
> With XPIC it wouldn't matter that slot 1 was talking to slot 2 on the other 
> side, it wouldn't know.  At least I think anyways.  Since it's just looking 
> for RX on the frequency it's set, and it's on the same on both ends, and it'd 
> still have XPD to separate the two.  You could rotate one end 90 degrees to 
> simulate on the office rig to test I suppose.  Plus anyways if you can't get 
> signal worth a flip on the office rig, even if it was a polarity thing, that 
> short of a link should blast it through to something you'd see.
>
> Only thing I can think of is that something in that tube is not aligned, bad 
> press fit or mill or something like that and the waves are getting blown out 
> of phase or similar.  There's not but one way to put it together, and 820c -> 
> OMT takes it to circular and you have circular to dish.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:30 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> >
> > Odd thing is I don’t see any way to assemble this any way that would swap 
> > polarity.  Only way to screw it up would be internal to the OMT itself.   
> > We are doing XPIC with this link which we have not done in a lot of other 
> > places, so that is different.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Mar 6, 2020, at 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >
> > 
> > V being swapped will always cost you at least 20 dB and if you have them 
> > precisely aligned V I can see where 40 dB is reasonable.
> >
> > From: Ken Hohhof
> > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 10:18 AM
> > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
> >
> >
> > OK, that says the antenna should be dual pol capable.  So … is a 
> > puzzlement.  You’d expect a problem would cost a few dB, not 40 dB.  Unless 
> > H & V were swapped.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sounds like Cambium is looking into it, maybe they come up with some ideas.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 11:00 AM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
> >
> >
> >
> > It’s currently 2 single pol Horizons on a Dragonwave OMT mount that 
> > combines the H to the round waveguide on the back of the antenna.
> >
> > Mark Radabaugh
> >
> > Amplex
> >
> > 22690 Pemberville Rd
> >
> > Luckey, OH 43443
> >
> > 419-261-5996
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 6, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> > We put 11 GHz 820C w/XPIC on existing Trango 3 ft dishes replacing single 
> > pol ApexPlus ODUs and everything went as expected.  I’d have to look up the 
> > details but I think it worked because Trango used Remec circular even with 
> > single pol except for 6 GHz.  We should have adjusted for best XPIC 
> > cancellation but instead we just made sure the ODUs were plumb.  But I 
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

[Caleb Knauer]

With XPIC it wouldn't matter that slot 1 was talking to slot 2 on the
other side, it wouldn't know.  At least I think anyways.  Since it's
just looking for RX on the frequency it's set, and it's on the same on
both ends, and it'd still have XPD to separate the two.  You could
rotate one end 90 degrees to simulate on the office rig to test I
suppose.  Plus anyways if you can't get signal worth a flip on the
office rig, even if it was a polarity thing, that short of a link
should blast it through to something you'd see.

Only thing I can think of is that something in that tube is not
aligned, bad press fit or mill or something like that and the waves
are getting blown out of phase or similar.  There's not but one way to
put it together, and 820c -> OMT takes it to circular and you have
circular to dish.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:30 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Odd thing is I don’t see any way to assemble this any way that would swap 
> polarity.  Only way to screw it up would be internal to the OMT itself.   We 
> are doing XPIC with this link which we have not done in a lot of other 
> places, so that is different.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mar 6, 2020, at 12:22 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> 
> V being swapped will always cost you at least 20 dB and if you have them 
> precisely aligned V I can see where 40 dB is reasonable.
>
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 10:18 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>
>
> OK, that says the antenna should be dual pol capable.  So … is a puzzlement.  
> You’d expect a problem would cost a few dB, not 40 dB.  Unless H & V were 
> swapped.
>
>
>
> Sounds like Cambium is looking into it, maybe they come up with some ideas.
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 11:00 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>
>
>
> It’s currently 2 single pol Horizons on a Dragonwave OMT mount that combines 
> the H to the round waveguide on the back of the antenna.
>
> Mark Radabaugh
>
> Amplex
>
> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>
> Luckey, OH 43443
>
> 419-261-5996
>
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> We put 11 GHz 820C w/XPIC on existing Trango 3 ft dishes replacing single pol 
> ApexPlus ODUs and everything went as expected.  I’d have to look up the 
> details but I think it worked because Trango used Remec circular even with 
> single pol except for 6 GHz.  We should have adjusted for best XPIC 
> cancellation but instead we just made sure the ODUs were plumb.  But I think 
> what we did was roughly the same as what you’re doing, so it should work.
>
>
>
> We got a couple bad 820S radios last year, failed the RF loopback test, but 
> it sounds like you have pretty thoroughly verified it’s not bad radios.
>
>
>
> Were the Dragonwaves single or dual pol?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2020 9:37 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question
>
>
>
>
>
> We have installed a lot of Cambium 820C radios without much trouble.  Yes, 
> the configuration takes some getting used to but we probably have 46 links 
> working and installed, so it’s not like it’s our first rodeo configuring 
> these things.
>
>
>
> And then we tried something new - reusing a 4’  Andrew Dragonwave antenna in 
> a XPIC configuration.   We purchased the Cambium adapter plate that clips 
> onto the antenna radio mount and presents the 820C mount for the OMT.   Take 
> off the dual Horizon radio OMT, add the 820C and the RF signal is shit - in 
> the -80’s from the mid 40’s.   Reverse the process and put the Horizon’s back 
> on and the signal is fine.
>
>
>
> So we thought we had a bad 820C.   It’s happened before.  So we take two 
> different sets of 820C’s and test them one at a time swapping them in for 
> known good installed radios on working links.   The 820C’s are fine.
>
>
>
> Okay… we forgot to test the OMT's when we did that.   So we try the OMT’s in 
> the shop - and they work fine.
>
>
>
> At this point the only thing left is the antennas themselves and the adapter 
> plate.   The adapter plate is nothing more than a hole in a aluminum bushing 
> with a couple of small steps to match diameter between the OMT and the 
> antenna waveguide.   Pretty hard to screw up.
>
>
>
> We have a pair of Dragonwave antenna’s in the shop that we can mount all of 
> this to and try here - and we can’t get a decent signal even 20’ apart.   I’m 
> at a loss at this point.   The only part that doesn’t appear to work is the 
> adapter plate - and there is nothing interesting about it.
>
>
>
> How the heck can this not work:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> I can’t buy that the alignment of the antenna would need to be adjusted.   
> That makes no sense in my head.   Am I wrong in that assumption?
>
>
>
> Mark
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Re: [AFMUG] PTP Microwave antenna question

[Caleb Knauer]

Sounds like it's a big polarization cross, where's it's getting
something through but all out of alignment.  But if it's a circular
adapter then I don't see how that's possible.  Can you humor me and
take a pic of the other side of that adapter plate?

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 10:37 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>
> We have installed a lot of Cambium 820C radios without much trouble.  Yes, 
> the configuration takes some getting used to but we probably have 46 links 
> working and installed, so it’s not like it’s our first rodeo configuring 
> these things.
>
> And then we tried something new - reusing a 4’  Andrew Dragonwave antenna in 
> a XPIC configuration.   We purchased the Cambium adapter plate that clips 
> onto the antenna radio mount and presents the 820C mount for the OMT.   Take 
> off the dual Horizon radio OMT, add the 820C and the RF signal is shit - in 
> the -80’s from the mid 40’s.   Reverse the process and put the Horizon’s back 
> on and the signal is fine.
>
> So we thought we had a bad 820C.   It’s happened before.  So we take two 
> different sets of 820C’s and test them one at a time swapping them in for 
> known good installed radios on working links.   The 820C’s are fine.
>
> Okay… we forgot to test the OMT's when we did that.   So we try the OMT’s in 
> the shop - and they work fine.
>
> At this point the only thing left is the antennas themselves and the adapter 
> plate.   The adapter plate is nothing more than a hole in a aluminum bushing 
> with a couple of small steps to match diameter between the OMT and the 
> antenna waveguide.   Pretty hard to screw up.
>
> We have a pair of Dragonwave antenna’s in the shop that we can mount all of 
> this to and try here - and we can’t get a decent signal even 20’ apart.   I’m 
> at a loss at this point.   The only part that doesn’t appear to work is the 
> adapter plate - and there is nothing interesting about it.
>
> How the heck can this not work:
>
>
>
> I can’t buy that the alignment of the antenna would need to be adjusted.   
> That makes no sense in my head.   Am I wrong in that assumption?
>
> Mark
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Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Caleb Knauer]

Sweet, thanks.  I recently bought 12x50 Vortex pair of binoculars that
where what I considered expensive, but I'll never not buy good binoculars
again.  The image quality is amazing.  But for the next pair I'll check out
something like this.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 10:28 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have the 12x36 IS III and I think that is probably the sweet spot in the
> lineup.  At 8x you don’t really need IS.  I think they make a 15x but
> that’s overkill for our purposes (maybe for a birdwatcher) and the price
> gets crazy.  If you get one, make sure it takes AA batteries and not some
> weird camera battery you won’t have around when the batteries need
> changing.  They still work as regular binoculars when the batteries are
> dead, but the IS feature stops working.
>
>
>
> The downside is they are expensive, that model is around $700.  Expensive
> enough that you will be paranoid about losing them and probably won’t loan
> them to anybody or equip employees with them.  You also might want a better
> case than what they come with, which doesn’t provide much protection.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1149461-REG/canon_9526b002_12x36_is_iii_binoculars.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Caleb Knauer
> *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 8:19 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>
>
>
> "Also my Canon image stabilization binoculars." -- I didn't even know that
> was a thing.  That sounds amazing.  My issue is looking up at tower top
> stuff and it's so hard to get a good view due to the wobbles.  I may have
> to get a pair.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I have a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200, similar features and age as Nate’s.
>
>
>
> Even more important than the hyperzoom lens I think is the image
> stabilization which works quite well, that photo was handheld.
>
>
>
> It’s a model from something like 2012, so I assume there are cameras
> available today with larger sensors and better resolution, that’s probably
> the weak point of this particular camera.  It has a 12 MP sensor but I
> resize all the photos at least 50% or they’re too grainy.  I don’t have
> money for camera equipment these days, but you could probably get a DSLR or
> mirrorless or compact camera today with a hyperzoom lens and a much better
> sensor, that would justify digital zoom on top of the optical zoom.
>
>
>
> The photos of the whole tower were taken with my cellphone.  I had to go
> back with an actual camera to take the zoomed in photos.  Also my Canon
> image stabilization binoculars.  Did I mention I love image stabilization?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:02 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>
>
>
> Digital zoom is the most trashy feature ever created.  The catch is you
> have to go out of your way to carry a camera whereas the cell phone is
> likely already in your pocket.
>
>
>
> On 3/5/2020 12:00 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or not,
> that's all they did, they couldn't even play games.  But these ancient
> 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and modify
> beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all without the help
> of any computer aided 'software'
>
> I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It
> can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground.
>
> On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that
> well?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these?  And why just antennas
> with no radios?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>
>
>
> second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe
> 4'x6' antenna
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used
> large panels like that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Excellent.  The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being
> installed.  The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I
> thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fibe

Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas

[Caleb Knauer]

"Also my Canon image stabilization binoculars." -- I didn't even know that
was a thing.  That sounds amazing.  My issue is looking up at tower top
stuff and it's so hard to get a good view due to the wobbles.  I may have
to get a pair.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 9:41 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ200, similar features and age as Nate’s.
>
>
>
> Even more important than the hyperzoom lens I think is the image
> stabilization which works quite well, that photo was handheld.
>
>
>
> It’s a model from something like 2012, so I assume there are cameras
> available today with larger sensors and better resolution, that’s probably
> the weak point of this particular camera.  It has a 12 MP sensor but I
> resize all the photos at least 50% or they’re too grainy.  I don’t have
> money for camera equipment these days, but you could probably get a DSLR or
> mirrorless or compact camera today with a hyperzoom lens and a much better
> sensor, that would justify digital zoom on top of the optical zoom.
>
>
>
> The photos of the whole tower were taken with my cellphone.  I had to go
> back with an actual camera to take the zoomed in photos.  Also my Canon
> image stabilization binoculars.  Did I mention I love image stabilization?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:02 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>
>
>
> Digital zoom is the most trashy feature ever created.  The catch is you
> have to go out of your way to carry a camera whereas the cell phone is
> likely already in your pocket.
>
>
>
> On 3/5/2020 12:00 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> See, back about 1000 years ago, they made cameras that, believe it or not,
> that's all they did, they couldn't even play games.  But these ancient
> 'Cameras' had special tunable filters and were able to bend and modify
> beams of light to make far away objects appear closer, all without the help
> of any computer aided 'software'
>
> I have an SX40 camera that's about 5 years old now, 32x optical Zoom, It
> can take very clear pictures of equipment on the tower from the ground.
>
> On 3/4/2020 10:03 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> What the hell kind of camera do you have that can zoom into a label that
> well?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 9:39 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> So here are a few photos, anybody recognize these?  And why just antennas
> with no radios?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 9:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>
>
>
> second image on the about us page is what i saw them putting up, maybe
> 4'x6' antenna
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:09 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I sold some tower space to an airline data company years ago that used
> large panels like that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Excellent.  The blue line goes to the tower with the giant panels being
> installed.  The yellow line about a mile east goes to the tower that I
> thought Windstream said was VZW and they could get me fiber at.
>
>
>
> So you’re saying the blue line is a spur built by PEG off the DATA project
> fiber built with BTOP funding?
>
>
>
> I’m still curious what those big panels in arrays of 3 are.  I know
> cellular antennas have gotten bigger, but I haven’t seen them that big
> before.  I keep worrying that LAA will arrive and 5 GHz will become useless.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>
>
>
> You're right in that DATA goes down Duffy. It's just the only significant
> network that's anywhere near there. Well, ComEd goes down 30 from 23 to
> Rock Falls, but they're not selling to others.
>
>
>
> Check the attachment. Yellow across the top is DATA. Vertical yellow on
> the right is Windstream. Blue is PEG\Uniti\BlueBird. Brown is a build that
> never happened.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
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> 
> 
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> 
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>
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> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 5, 2020 9:22:22 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] giant cellular panel antennas
>
> If I’m remembering right, it was on the south 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Caleb Knauer]

That aren't fish eye on the ground.  Neat tech.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:40 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Don’t you know that they use fish-eye lenses for the windows on airplanes
> to fool everybody?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2020 10:16 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies
>
>
>
> Unless you were in a really good place, it's difficult to see the
> curvature from 5,000'. However, I'm pretty sure I could see the curvature
> from the top of Haleakala. And I know you can see the curvature from the
> window of a 747 at 35,000'.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/24/2020 8:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
> Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?
>
>
>
> HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak…
>
>
>
> Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020
>
>
>
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> *From: *AF   on behalf
> of CBB Fuller  
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> 
> *Date: *Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies
>
>
>
> Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air
> to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket
> would be cheaper.".
>
> Bill Prince wrote:
> >
> > Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you
> > would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic
> > thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Caleb Knauer]

Seems to be the building consensus.  Saw the video of the launch and
subsequent crater, kind of morbid.  Whackadoodle for sure, hopefully he
passed out at launch as suspected and didn't see the full ride to the end.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:40 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I think he probably really just got into the whole flat earth thing
> because he figured out that flat-earthers were crazy enough to give him
> money to build rockets...
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> If he didn't die in a crash he would have died in a steam explosion.  He
>> was destined to kill himself with this.
>>
>> And yeahhis stated goal seems to be several kinds of baffling.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/24/2020 11:00 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>
>> Cant you even see the earth curvature at 5K feet?
>>
>>
>>
>> HE could easily  drove to the nearest peak…
>>
>>
>>
>> Darwin Lifetime achievement award for 2020
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino*
>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
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>> m:
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>> 
>>   [image: yt-logo]
>> 
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF   on behalf
>> of CBB Fuller  
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Date: *Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:04 PM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air
>> to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket
>> would be cheaper.".
>>
>> Bill Prince wrote:
>> >
>> > Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you
>> > would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic
>> > thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> > On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Advice on spending

[Caleb Knauer]

Microwave PTP you can landmark or manually walk azimuth quick enough
and pull in the links so I don't think it's necessary for that.
However with PTMP deployments going to such small slices (aka 30
degree horns) I think your azimuth planning needs to be a lot tighter
and well planned.  120 degree sectors you could meh it close enough,
but 12x 30 horns you need to map it well to make sure you're hooking
up people to the places you think you should be.  Also for CBRS since
it's quite fussy.  Someone on WISP Talk just posted a thing from
someone using them with horns in the last couple days.

Also check attachment methods.  Some of the bungee cord setups are annoying.

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:52 AM Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> I got approval from the boss to order a smart aligner. Ive been looking at 
> this for a while, particularly with the need for accuracy in CBRS. Not 
> looking to use it at customer sites, just backhauls and access points.
> We have historically never been verifiably accurate on azimuths, probably 
> rolled out pretty bad too. We have had issues with contractors not installing 
> sites to spec, and having to go back up to turn radios/adjust tilt, etc.
>
> This will be handy for this year, we are dropping in at least 40 new access 
> points and 3 or 5 new licensed links in the next few months. but then the 
> tool will sit
>
> Boss said the worst thing to me, "get it if you think its necessary". If it 
> were a $1k tool it wouldnt be a question bet we are looking at almost 7k on 
> the kit. It meets my accuracy needs, but I almost wonder if the convenience 
> outweighs the necessary. ant his is over half the cost of a licensed link.
>  Knowing my numbers are right in propagation tools holds a lot of value. 
> saving maybe an hour getting a tight link aligned here and there offsets some 
> cost.
> You old timers, is this a justifiable expenditure based on your experience?
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Re: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues

[Caleb Knauer]

It all started 12/31/19 at 21:00 UTC. You're saying yours all suddenly
came back on 1/1/20 at 21:00 UTC?  Nice little exact 24hr window.

Oddly enough 21:00 UTC is midnight in Moscow.

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 10:18 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> No user intervention on my part.
>
> Visible satellites returned to normal levels over a few hours this
> morning.   Tracked satellites returned to normal suddenly at 3pm CST
> (21:00 UTC)
>
> Everyone else see something similar?  All my data is from EPMP 1k, 2k,
> 3k radios.  They all did the same thing at the same time.
>
> On 1/1/2020 11:14 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > Look through this Twitter account and the replies to the tweets for more 
> > information on yesterday's GPS outage.
> >
> > https://twitter.com/GalileoSats/status/1212337302460080130?s=19
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > Midwest Internet Exchange
> > The Brothers WISP
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Eric Muehleisen 
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Sent: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:17:39 -0600 (CST)
> > Subject: [AFMUG] mass GPS issues
> >
> > Anyone else having GPS issues this afternoon? Nearly every tower I have
> > across western Kansas is having GPS issues. Start around 3pm CST.
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Bendable single use SMA torque wrench

[Caleb Knauer]

Haha I knew I should have prefaced this with stating I know how
fingers and wrenches work :-D

I get your points and suggested much the same, but at the same time
see their point.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:40 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> Yeah, that seems a little goofy. just use a 5/16" or 8mm open end wrench, and 
> just go like half a turn past finger tight... it's not like it needs to be 
> very precise .
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 2:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> What's the problem just using an ordinary 8 mm open end wrench?  So you 
>> don't over torque them?  They just need to be a little more than finger 
>> tight.  Is over tightening really a problem?   My issue with SMA connectors 
>> is usually weatherproofing them.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 1:37 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Bendable single use SMA torque wrench
>>
>> Any seen anything like this before?  Bendable, single use SMA torque wrench. 
>>  Trying to track down for a client and my google-fu is failing me.  Pic 
>> attached.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills

[Caleb Knauer]

I do something similar in the final round of interviews for tech
folks.  Hand them some shielded cable and ends and tell them to make a
cable that passes the tester that's sitting there as well.  Weeds out
a disturbing number of folks.  Then a pair of UBNT radios and tell
them to make a link and here's a laptop you can use to google stuff.
Really helps to see who can figure things out on the fly.

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 2:18 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
>
> just give them a box filled with random junk from the warehouse and a 
> truck-stop bathroom. tell them to "build it". Come back in 20 minutes.
> Youll be able to find out alot about a person when you give them unknown 
> resources and no real instruction or direction.
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:17 PM Brian Webster  
> wrote:
>>
>> Sure you do ;-)
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster N2KGC
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:19 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Assessing life skills
>>
>> I don't know anybody with a ham license :(
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/2019 8:35 AM, Robert wrote:
>> > Check for a ham license...
>> >
>> > On 5/30/19 5:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >> When I was young I went exploring.  I'd ask my mom if I could go for
>> >> a bike ride.  I never really specified where, and just kept ranging
>> >> farther and farther from home.  I'd end up in creeks, culvert pipes,
>> >> climbing fences, walking through woods, construction sites, quarries,
>> >> and basically anywhere else I didn't get kicked out of.  I got there
>> >> on my bike so in terms of parental permission I put it all under the
>> >> category of "going for a bike ride".  I only got arrested once, but I
>> >> probably deserved it a few more times.
>> >>
>> >> I also took things apart and used bits of wire and a battery to play
>> >> with the components.  At an early job they were impressed that I
>> >> correctly used the word "potentiometer" in a sentence.  I also
>> >> plugged a DC motor into a 120V AC outle --a valuable lesson there. I
>> >> also melted a NiCad battery on the carpet when I left it on the
>> >> charger too long.
>> >>
>> >> My hobbies included model trains and my RC car.  I could tell you the
>> >> difference between a parallel and series circuit when I was 10. I
>> >> tagged along with my brother when he went out shooting with his Ruger
>> >> 10/22.  I slept out in the woods for the fun of it, and sometimes
>> >> didn't bring anything but matches.  Played with fireworks, made my
>> >> own fireworks with homemade black powder and/or match heads.
>> >>
>> >> My dad made me do drywall, set fence posts, change the belt on a
>> >> lawnmower, and so on.
>> >>
>> >> Every success and every failure contributed to a set of skills that I
>> >> took for granted until I encountered people who didn't have them.
>> >> Things like spatial reasoning, basic electricity, use of basic hand
>> >> tools, and a general sense of time, distance, and direction.
>> >>
>> >> So the question for AFMUG is how do you find out whether a job
>> >> applicant is the curious explorer who wants to know how everything
>> >> works?  How do I attract that applicant to begin with?  I may want
>> >> specific skills too like a juggler who can juggle, but I really want
>> >> people who can figure stuff out and won't be deterred by every little
>> >> bump in the road.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner

[Caleb Knauer]

Is it weird that the quickest way I can remember which is longitude and
which is latitude is by Jimmy Buffet's song Changes in Latitudes?

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 11:20 AM  wrote:

> Once regular routes were established, they followed a Rhumb line.
>
> This is a line connecting two points that can be tracked by following a
> specific magnetic heading.  It is not a straight line but is very simple to
> navigate assuming you got started right and kept to the proper heading.
>
> Latitude has never been a problem.  Longitude has always been the issue.
> I recommend the book “Longitude” by Sorbel if you really want a good read
> on the subject.
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=lW8DYSPa6fEC=frontcover=longitude+sorbel=en=X=0ahUKEwj4k_7b5pjiAhWOUt8KHffcA-MQ6AEIKjAA
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, May 13, 2019 8:57 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
> I wonder if sailing ships would follow the compass during the day and true
> up with Polaris at night.
> I know the difference was less pronounced then, but it must have still
> been there and they must have noticed.  Maybe if you're target is to hit
> the right continent then it ain't really a problem.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 5/10/2019 7:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Probably...
>
> For scouts, they normally are not that into absolute bearings and
> headings.  More just NNE type of accuracy.
> But yeah, West coast magnetic variations/declination are much more
> pronounced than areas where the folks that live on the agonic line like
> you.
>
> Main and NW Washington state are 20 degrees off.
>
> If you learn to fly a plane in the Pacific Northwest back in the day of
> compass and sectional, it was an important factor.  As I recall VOR
> stations and victor airways are on a magnetic heading vs true. But they
> don’t adjust VOR stations for magnetic field drift after they are
> installed.
>
> I think the FCC is all about true north.  And of course you can get a
> pretty good heading off the North star or Orions belt.  Can’t remember
> which of the three stars is due East/West.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:58 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
> You’re not making me less confused.
>
>
>
> Back when I was teaching cub scouts to use a compass, was I teaching them
> a bunch of crap?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 5:48 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> 14 for me.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 3:18 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> It is only 1 or 2 degrees where you live but it is probably 15 degrees
> where Bill lives.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:14 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> Whenever I see the difference between magnetic and true north I get
> confused about which one we’re supposedly using and decide 1 or 2 degrees
> doesn’t matter on a 90 degree sector.  Plus I get lazy and just align the
> sectors to the tower faces or the roads.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 4:37 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Antenna Aligner
>
>
>
> I've used the 3Z and Sunsight ones some.  It was a few years ago though.
>
> Really it boils down if you want the screen on the device or to use your
> phone or sometheneing else.  I'd probably go with Sunsight personally,
> but either are a good investment.
>
>
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.] 
>
> *Daniel White*
>
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
>
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
>
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>
> SmarterBroadband wrote on 5/10/19 15:28:
>
> Thinking of getting an Antenna Aligner for Sector and Dish alignment.
>
>
>
> Choices seem to be
>
>
>
> Multiwave Smart Aligner
>
> 3Z Telecom RF Vision
>
> Sunsight
>
>
>
> Anyone have experience of any of these?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20C SFP

[Caleb Knauer]

Go to the Interface Manager and turn on/off GE ports that you want to
use.  1 is the copper port, 2 is the first sfp cage, 3 is the sfp cage
that may or may not be used for MIMO depending on HW model so probably
stick with port 2.  It's under the System tab or something on top of
the tree, don't have one handy to look.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 12:49 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a fiber SFP working in my IP-20C.  I am licensed for two 
> GbE ports.   I must be missing something.
>
>
>
> Can anyone list the steps to get this working?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Caleb Knauer]

I've ridden in a friend's big model S (P100D or whatever, the biggest
one you can get).  Ludicrous mode is a fitting name, what a rocket.
Freaky going that fast without an engine scream.  Beautiful exterior.
Interior is a ripoff for what you pay.  Autopilot is a bit sketch in
busy areas.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Why are all the Teslas going the opposite direction?
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 6:45 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
>
>
> Did you move there before the electronics boom?
>
>
>
> From: Bill Prince
>
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
>
>
> Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving down 
> the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the 
> opposite direction.
>
>
>
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>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:
>
> & I was just driving behind a 100D
>
> On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> > If only…..
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
> > car?  Is it just electric + price?
> >
> >
> > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
> > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> >
> > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> > P85D is the performance version.
> > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> >
> > Seriously considering a used model S.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Tesla 3
> >
> > Sorry, cheap shot !
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
> >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> > rumored
> >  > to be out in June.
> >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> >  > Any opinions?
> >  >
> >  >
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Re: [AFMUG] 820 License Keys

[Caleb Knauer]

1440 hours is 60 days.  That's a demo mode runtime counter too, not a
calendar timer.

It's extremely clear that you're in violation mode, annoyingly so.  Go
to the interface manager and turn off whatever eth ports you're not
using, that's usually what triggers when you boot up originally.

Normally it takes 24 hours or so to process the keys.  If you're in a
hurry you can put in a support ticket and they'll run them pretty
quick.  I just did that today and they got it knocked out after an
hour or two.

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Violation runtime counter is at 48 hours
>
> Demo timer is 1440 hours (24 days)
>
> I finally got the keys via email this morning.
>
> On March 8, 2019 8:58:43 AM CST, Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>>
>> No it will say its in demo mode. It will not have an alarm for a violation.
>>
>> On 3/8/2019 8:55 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>>
>>>  So will demo mode still show anything as violations?
>>>
>>>  On 3/8/2019 8:44 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:

  Correct violation is 24 hrs if you put it in demo mode it is 60 days.


> On 3/7/19 14:31, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>  What would be the difference?
>>
>>  Do certain keys cause a "violation" but not others?
>
>
>
>  Demo mode lets you do whatever you want with no restrictions, like
>  007's license to kill.
>
>  Violation is if you turn on a feature you don't have a key for.
>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - lithium battery jump pack review

[Caleb Knauer]

I jumped a dead (real dead) Duramax with a GB40 I'd bought as a
gimmick a while back and that sold me on the tech.  It wasn't happy
about it (way undersized for the job), but it worked.  Now rocking a
GB150.  Easy to use, don't have to drag things close enough to run
jumper cables, built in voltmeter, keeps a charge forever, etc.
Jumping cars is fun now.

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 6:11 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I was skeptical of a lithium battery based device that fits in a glove 
> compartment being able to jump start a big V8, but I picked up a NOCO GB70 at 
> Autozone for my son and it worked as advertised.
>
>
>
> At $200 it’s not cheap, actually more than a spare battery and a set of 
> jumper cables.  But this gizmo is a lot safer and more compact.  No sparks to 
> set off a hydrogen explosion, and no worries about reverse polarity or 
> shorting the cables together.
>
>
>
> He has an old Grand Prix GXP which is hard to turn over and also seems to eat 
> batteries every 2-3 years.  Oh, and it’s wicked cold out.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - oven thermometer review

[Caleb Knauer]

Yeah the Smoke has a remote unit using wireless (not bluetooth, so it
actually has some reach) that comes with it.  You can also add a
gateway that connects to the wifi and an app where you can monitor
temps of however many probes you're running.  App isn't beautiful but
it works.  Handy when I'm doing a long cook and need to go run an
errand or walk the dog or something.  Someone is always there watching
it in case something catches on fire, but usually less than reliable
about temp monitoring and management ;-)   It's not a cheap package,
but it works beautifully and the probes last a long time and there's a
million different options.  I've run through Mavericks and others and
this is the only one that's lasted.

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 9:41 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Is it wireless?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 14, 2018, at 7:04 AM, Caleb Knauer  wrote:
> >
> > I've been using a Thermapen from ThermoWorks for years.  It's pretty
> > much the de facto instant read probe for checking food temps.  Also
> > using their Smoke for my BBQ in the BGE.  High quality stuff, and
> > their probes have lasted a lot longer than any of the others I've
> > used.
> >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 5:54 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >>
> >> Just a note for anyone looking for a good digital thermometer with a 
> >> variety of available probes in anticipation of cooking your holiday meal 
> >> (or for hot/cold experiments on WISP equipment), I just got the ChefAlarm 
> >> I ordered from ThermoWorks.
> >>
> >> www.thermoworks.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was actually looking for a way to check the accuracy of my oven, which 
> >> we have always suspected of being off.  Actually according to the new 
> >> thermometer (with the accessory “air probe”), the oven is actually not 
> >> that far off.  Note this is not a wireless unit, it has a thin cable that 
> >> you close in the oven door.  They actually have a  Youtube video showing 
> >> how to check your oven by using the time and min/max features.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I had looked on Amazon and found a bunch of less expensive Chinese units 
> >> of dubious quality and accuracy, based on some of the comments.  This one 
> >> seems to be very nice, the company is in Utah, their probes seem to  be 
> >> made by a sister company in the UK, and they included a little package of 
> >> Jelly Belly jelly beans with the order.  I figure Chuck would like the 
> >> combination of Utah, UK, and jelly beans in the box.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> According to their website they have lots and lots of products.  Might 
> >> even be a last minute Christmas gift.
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - oven thermometer review

[Caleb Knauer]

I've been using a Thermapen from ThermoWorks for years.  It's pretty
much the de facto instant read probe for checking food temps.  Also
using their Smoke for my BBQ in the BGE.  High quality stuff, and
their probes have lasted a lot longer than any of the others I've
used.
On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 5:54 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Just a note for anyone looking for a good digital thermometer with a variety 
> of available probes in anticipation of cooking your holiday meal (or for 
> hot/cold experiments on WISP equipment), I just got the ChefAlarm I ordered 
> from ThermoWorks.
>
> www.thermoworks.com
>
>
>
> I was actually looking for a way to check the accuracy of my oven, which we 
> have always suspected of being off.  Actually according to the new 
> thermometer (with the accessory “air probe”), the oven is actually not that 
> far off.  Note this is not a wireless unit, it has a thin cable that you 
> close in the oven door.  They actually have a  Youtube video showing how to 
> check your oven by using the time and min/max features.
>
>
>
> I had looked on Amazon and found a bunch of less expensive Chinese units of 
> dubious quality and accuracy, based on some of the comments.  This one seems 
> to be very nice, the company is in Utah, their probes seem to  be made by a 
> sister company in the UK, and they included a little package of Jelly Belly 
> jelly beans with the order.  I figure Chuck would like the combination of 
> Utah, UK, and jelly beans in the box.
>
>
>
> According to their website they have lots and lots of products.  Might even 
> be a last minute Christmas gift.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Service in SLC

[Caleb Knauer]

Cool thanks.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> Senawave or Beehive might be able to connect you out there.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer
> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 11:47 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Service in SLC
>
> Hi all,
>
> Looking for a 20-50Mbps business connection in Salt Lake City, about
> 15 minutes south of the airport. 5 static IP's required. Please send me an 
> offlist email for details.
>
> Thanks!
> Caleb
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Re: [AFMUG] Valuline Antenna adapter

[Caleb Knauer]

Why are you replacing it?

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 1:55 PM, Jason McKemie
 wrote:
> I have a SIAE link I'm looking to potentially replace with something else.
> Currently using Valuline antennas - I'd like to re-use these for a new link.
> What are the options for doing this?  New interface plate?  Adapter?  Is
> this something that can be done on the tower?
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[AFMUG] Service in SLC

[Caleb Knauer]

Hi all,

Looking for a 20-50Mbps business connection in Salt Lake City, about
15 minutes south of the airport. 5 static IP's required. Please send
me an offlist email for details.

Thanks!
Caleb

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Hola muchachos

[Caleb Knauer]

Your new cell phone cam is a lot better than the one you used to have.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:
> I shot 76 on the golf course...
>
>
> On 06/21/2018 01:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Shot a 76 on the golf course.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:02 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Hola muchachos
>>
>> Or was it 76 airfibers?
>>
>> On 06/21/2018 12:30 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:30 PM
>>> *To:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hola muchachos
>>> Hmmm, you turned 76 or you had –76 dBm or it was 76 degrees?
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 21, 2018 1:25 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Hola muchachos
>>> Aligning to AF24s was 76 earlier...one down, one to go
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
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