[AFMUG] Crown Castle Tower Experience

[Paul McCall via AF]

I am looking to talk to some WISPs privately that have had long-term Crown 
Castle (ex Global Signal, ex Pinnacle towers) contracts.

We have a legal concern and I want to get some confidential input from guys 
that worked with them long term.

Feel free to contact me privately if you can chat.

Thanks!

Paul


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[AFMUG] Good system for remote access to tower site when no Internet

[Paul McCall]

Hey guys!

We have some towers that are waaay out in the boonies and often little or no 
cell service.  While working on the towers, sometimes the guys can't 
communicate with the office.

Exploring options for using 2-way somehow.  Maybe install repeaters on 
strategic towers geographically to get to a tower that can convert to VOIP?

Of some other intelligent, cost effective solution.

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] Experience with Unitas as a Bandwidth Provider

[Paul McCall]

https://unitasglobal.com/

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 12:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Experience with Unitas as a Bandwidth Provider

Unitas Steaks of America

From: Tim Withrow via AF
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 9:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Tim Withrow
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Experience with Unitas as a Bandwidth Provider

I knew  Unitas was a awesome Quarterback and  football player, never knew  or 
heard of a  Internet concern.

If this is a misspelling, i have heard good things about Unite Private networks 
and Uniti Fiber, if its one of these entities you meant.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 11:04 AM, Paul McCall
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:

Good morning!



Can anybody share their experiences with Unitas as an Upstream provider?



Thanks!



Paul



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Re: [AFMUG] Long run - low draw batteries for Regen locations

[Paul McCall]

Unfortunately it is existing gear, running on 110

From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 12:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Long run - low draw batteries for Regen locations

DC would be the most common and what the carriers use, more efficient so the 
batteries are smaller for the same run time.

No magical improvements in backup, your going to need 5kw of battery to be safe 
(12v 100ah x 4)

On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 9:25 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We have a couple Regen locations we are lighting up.  The draw (110vac) will be 
around 1amp.

I am looking forward to a backup system that will run for 24 hours at that 
current draw.

Haven’t shopped UPS like this in a few years.  I am assuming there are some 
wiz-bang solutions for that now 😊

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[AFMUG] Long run - low draw batteries for Regen locations

[Paul McCall]

We have a couple Regen locations we are lighting up.  The draw (110vac) will be 
around 1amp.

I am looking forward to a backup system that will run for 24 hours at that 
current draw.

Haven’t shopped UPS like this in a few years.  I am assuming there are some 
wiz-bang solutions for that now 😊

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[AFMUG] Experience with Unitas as a Bandwidth Provider

[Paul McCall]

Good morning!

Can anybody share their experiences with Unitas as an Upstream provider?

Thanks!

Paul

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[AFMUG] Anybody selling some ePMP GPS APs? 2.4 Ghz?

[Paul McCall]

Looking to buy about 10 of them used if I can get a good price.

Thanks!

Paul

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[AFMUG] Fax line replacement

[Paul McCall]

For you guys doing a lot of VoIP, what Internet based faxed service are you 
having good success with, cost effectively?

Being able to reach someone and easily port numbers is important obviously.

Paul

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[AFMUG] Craddlepoint LTE as a temporary solution

[Paul McCall]

We were handed a semi-emergency requirement to provide as much bandwidth as 
possible to a franchise that can't get cable or telco Internet.  It will 
require us to get on another tower nearby, but it will be worth it long term.

So, I need to provide them a temporary LTE (4G or 5g - perhaps multipole bonded 
circuits) solution while we get setup on the nearby tower.  I guestimate no 
more than 90 days.

Is there a good contact / company (and a provider) to work with to get a 
Craddlepoint solution calculated and configured for this?   A static IP would 
be ideal if possible and 20 to 50Mbit consistently (even more is better)

Thanks in advance for any recommendations

Paul


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[AFMUG] Best 90degree Sector to use with UBNT LTU APs

[Paul McCall]

What sayeth the crowd?  putting in a dozen or so LTU APs and looking for best 
performing sectors (90 and 60 degrees)

thanks!

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Re: [AFMUG] Need a mediatrix c711 overnight

[Paul McCall]

Correct.  We had to wait a day but got it from 888voip

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 11:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need a mediatrix c711 overnight

Neobits says its in stock, but i think they lie

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021, 10:25 AM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
"Availability: Special Order"

Probably can't be over nighted if it's not in stock =(

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 5:52 PM Tim Withrow via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

voipsupply.com<http://voipsupply.com>

____
On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 Paul McCall 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Anybody know where I can get one of these overnighted (today) ?



Mediatrix c711



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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink - First Blood

[Paul McCall]

Chuck!  Go for it!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 7:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink - First Blood

Wonder (just academic wondering) how hard it will be to jam starlink... just 
wondering...

From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 4:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink - First Blood

Ooo. Just saw another customer post on Facebook they ordered Starlink.

Their house is 150% encased in trees.

This should be interesting to watch.

He’s also getting 50 down by 40 up on our service for $110.


On Feb 9, 2021, at 1:29 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Its not koolaid, its great marketing!


Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
[aeronet-logo]
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www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 
Guaynabo, PR 00968
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 2:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink - First Blood
People are stupid and willing to suck up the Apple/Elon kool aid?  I'm shocked.

People think they need 50 mbps or 150 mbps when they have *NO IDEA* what 
they're currently using is just a fine example of marketing and bigger is 
always better (see muscle cars in the 60s).

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 12:59 PM Robert 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
There have been published discussions with Musk about RV's and Starlink and a 
separate interview with the developers where the RV use of starlink was 
discussed and committed to by both Musk and the developers.   I figure I want 
to get the h/w and play with it at a fixed location to understand setup time, 
quality, limitations ( can you have another router, address space, etc. etc.. ) 
before moving it to the RV.   I figured the list is going to get pretty long 
and the h/w will change with expansion of production, evolution of the service. 
 So being early will have advantages and disadvantages.   So final usage in the 
RV is the goal but not initial need.
On 2/9/21 9:44 AM, David Sovereen via AF wrote:
Robert,

I wanted was going to sign up to get Starlink for my RV but saw this on their 
web site and decided to postpone until I learned more:

Can I travel with Starlink, or move it to a different address?
Starlink satellites are scheduled to send internet down to all users within a 
designated area on the ground. This designated area is referred to as a cell.
Your Starlink is assigned to a single cell. If you move your Starlink outside 
of its assigned cell, a satellite will not be scheduled to serve your Starlink 
and you will not receive internet. This is constrained by geometry and is not 
arbitrary geofencing.
Please let us know how traveling with it works out for you.  If it does travel 
well, I want it!

Thanks,

Dave

David Sovereen

Mercury Network Corporation
2719 Ashman Street, Midland, MI 48640
989.837.3790 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 989.837.3780 fax

Telephone  |  Internet  |  Hosting

david.sover...@mercury.net
www.mercury.net



On Feb 9, 2021, at 12:37 PM, 
i...@avantwireless.com wrote:

I see that Musk is, a) testing demand, b) raising a chunk of Starlink specific 
cash ( no strings attached ), c) figuring out where the next orbits/ground 
stations need to be.  d) understanding usage and limitations.   All very valid 
reasons to open up general sales.   I threw $100 at it to get on the list for 
one that I will use with the RV in the future and to test the reality of the 
service.   It should be interesting to watch performance change with the 
addition of infrastructure vs. customers.
On 2/9/21 8:46 AM, David Coudron wrote:
I ordered a Starlink system as my cabin is in an area that we can get service 
right away from Starlink and we don’t service the area with our network.   
Other locations in MN say it will be middle to late 2021 for service 
availability.   I should have some first hand knowledge in a week or two.   As 
mentioned below, it is basically $600 to start and $99 a month.   Will be 
interesting.

Regards,

David Coudron

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Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:34 AM
To: Anima

[AFMUG] Need a mediatrix c711 overnight

[Paul McCall]

Anybody know where I can get one of these overnighted (today) ?

Mediatrix c711

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[AFMUG] Florida Broadband in Sunny Florida is hiring !!

[Paul McCall]

Florida Broadband, in sunny Vero Beach, FL is hiring! We are looking for 
climbing techs (meaning they climb where needed and do installs and service 
calls otherwise) ALSO, we are looking for a GREAT service managed (in charge of 
physical logistics). This is a great growth opportunity position, a key man so 
to speak, with large incentives and maybe an equity position for the right 
person. Please send all resumes and correspondence to hr AT 
floridabroadband.com<https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffloridabroadband.com%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2dTIjgxKQrq1Mgx9Z78tP32IFmSfuNfLtZU9pQyFRuEo1U1158uvKYLx8&h=AT2JXRto2pkXBZUC3njoGB_eLedo3nK5fkyVws79vxPU-IaDAQZ8LDJQRraSWwD3Sq5KdJRwgXm2hhDb886K6jcI2_-zRohosY1lzoL1jdGHJSfoxbNXQ9iHGP_eruMRmQ&__tn__=-UK-R&c%5b0%5d=AT2FQ5e8uZPfK3HfqgPIatWdnUK-jwWVZs1PDeNh6vWY4ANDaAg5m9ehf60x4z7UzXt9aN4yWExomABwTXx4hHyaHonxkZW64R0B1Y7Zci8ehrslOiSbPrF_htR8QJV5PqzJ97p2b128Vd7ccGHgxdpdEUNraBlNwiM>


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Re: [AFMUG] Di-Electric Grease on Cat5/6 connections... Yes/no?

[Paul McCall]

Thanks.  That is what I think we used to use, darn it.

😊

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 9:57 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Di-Electric Grease on Cat5/6 connections... Yes/no?

Dow Corning DC4 on all outdoor connections at towers.  Typically not at 
customer installs.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 8:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Di-Electric Grease on Cat5/6 connections... Yes/no?

Haven’t had this subject come up lately, but I think at one point we used 
dielectric grease (spray I think) on outdoor ethernet connections.

Seems like we stopped a looong time ago I found out in our tech meeting this AM 
LOL

Do you guys use dielectric on outdoor ethernet… Occasionally, Always, Never ?

If so, what brand do you use?

Thanks!

Paul

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[AFMUG] Di-Electric Grease on Cat5/6 connections... Yes/no?

[Paul McCall]

Haven't had this subject come up lately, but I think at one point we used 
dielectric grease (spray I think) on outdoor ethernet connections.

Seems like we stopped a looong time ago I found out in our tech meeting this AM 
LOL

Do you guys use dielectric on outdoor ethernet... Occasionally, Always, Never ?

If so, what brand do you use?

Thanks!

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Paul McCall]

Its all good Ken 😊

Didn’t mean to sound defensive LOL.

But if I get any more crap, I QUIT  hahahah

(only us “long-times” will get that reference)

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:29 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

I didn’t mean that to be an insult, more like kudos, you honey badger you.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Not in total agreement with that assessment Ken.

20 years of having a fixed wireless division without really working 
aggressively for customer acquisition, over 1000 customers, while doing a bunch 
of other things.  Network running like a well-oiled machine, less than 10 tech 
phone calls per 24 hours, sometimes just 2 or 3.  We are well aware of future 
proofing and are doing that wherever possible.  I think we have a few years at 
least even at 2.4, running 45 degree sectors, and smaller fill towers.  We 
overlay what we can in 5 Ghz to give peak speeds.  Licensed BH links wherever 
possible.   If I had a local company that could provide 50Mbit plans for less 
than Mr. musk, I would take it all day long.  Not everyone would of course.  
ATT has had fixed wireless in 80% of our coverage area, and we have lost 4 
customers in 2 years to it.

But, I have other businesses, and a recording musician if that industry ever 
comes back.

They key is to be a honey badger at whatever you are doing!

I’m good 😊


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:07 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

You are a brave man trying to make a business out of NLOS fixed wireless.  On 
the one hand, it’s magic not science.  On the other hand, Elon Musk and 
T-Mobile are wanting to eat your lunch, not to mention government funded fiber.

I think it’s like getting people to pay to see you juggle running chainsaws, 
while they could instead watch Netflix or play Call Of Duty.  Very difficult, 
yet customers would rather be doing something else.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:49 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Theodolite will.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 1:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

LOL, definitely not in LOS territory.  90% of our rural stuff won’t see the 
towers.

We use tower coverage as well, but it doesn’t show the angle (degrees) to the 
tower.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

When an account (in Powercode) is made through Towercoverage API, it'll add the 
estimated signals to the tower starting with the closest ones.  That ticket 
could always be pulled up.

As far as alignment, I would think you're in LOS territory with 5 GHz so once 
you know where the tower is, you can aim for it by eyeball instead of app.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG 
of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from 
their location.

Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..

Thanks!

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Paul McCall]

😊

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

I like hotspotting my phone and pulling up google earth on a laptop when it 
gets serious, ill draw out all the pattern edges and shadows and mark options 
for customers then send them the image, a monkey tech probably would just drag 
their knuckles across the keyboard ad poop in the van though trying to get them 
to do that. . powercode has the view elevation profile that draws the line, its 
handy on a roof or tower to pull the landmarks up. Cheat will draw a line to 
every AP n range and show you where to go


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 3:29 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I didn’t mean that to be an insult, more like kudos, you honey badger you.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 3:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Not in total agreement with that assessment Ken.

20 years of having a fixed wireless division without really working 
aggressively for customer acquisition, over 1000 customers, while doing a bunch 
of other things.  Network running like a well-oiled machine, less than 10 tech 
phone calls per 24 hours, sometimes just 2 or 3.  We are well aware of future 
proofing and are doing that wherever possible.  I think we have a few years at 
least even at 2.4, running 45 degree sectors, and smaller fill towers.  We 
overlay what we can in 5 Ghz to give peak speeds.  Licensed BH links wherever 
possible.   If I had a local company that could provide 50Mbit plans for less 
than Mr. musk, I would take it all day long.  Not everyone would of course.  
ATT has had fixed wireless in 80% of our coverage area, and we have lost 4 
customers in 2 years to it.

But, I have other businesses, and a recording musician if that industry ever 
comes back.

They key is to be a honey badger at whatever you are doing!

I’m good 😊


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:07 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

You are a brave man trying to make a business out of NLOS fixed wireless.  On 
the one hand, it’s magic not science.  On the other hand, Elon Musk and 
T-Mobile are wanting to eat your lunch, not to mention government funded fiber.

I think it’s like getting people to pay to see you juggle running chainsaws, 
while they could instead watch Netflix or play Call Of Duty.  Very difficult, 
yet customers would rather be doing something else.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:49 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Theodolite will.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 1:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

LOL, definitely not in LOS territory.  90% of our rural stuff won’t see the 
towers.

We use tower coverage as well, but it doesn’t show the angle (degrees) to the 
tower.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

When an account (in Powercode) is made through Towercoverage API, it'll add the 
estimated signals to the tower starting with the closest ones.  That ticket 
could always be pulled up.

As far as alignment, I would think you're in LOS territory with 5 GHz so once 
you know where the tower is, you can aim for it by eyeball instead of app.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject:

[AFMUG] Can anybody make these ?

[Paul McCall]

Order placed months ago with Commscope (through a distributor) and Commscope 
has pushed back expected delivery until February

FXDXK1A0010F Cable, Drop, Flat, Dielectric
DLX, 10 ft. - MINI DLX CABLE to connect
Mini-MST DLX to LC-UPC

Need 25 to 50 of these  (they are custom as normally they don't make them with 
an LC-UPC end)

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Paul McCall]

Don’t get me started on employee quality.   We have some good ones but some …

Seriously, if they are fully buried in trees, an EASY reference to tool would 
help.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

That was kind of my reaction, you may be hiring people who are kind of clueless.

I think our schools aren’t teaching basic stuff anymore.  I get customers all 
the time who can’t answer questions like are you north or south of town, or is 
your house on east or west side of the street.

If they are installing an antenna, they need to have eyes on the tower, choose 
a mounting location that isn’t shooting through a tree, etc.  People try to do 
everything with an app these days.  Make sure they don’t try to pound in nails 
using their phone and a hammer app.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Hannum
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Towercoverage.com is very good.  We also have our KMZ's on Google Earth.  But 
you know, there isn't much better than your guys just knowing where the towers 
are and where the customer is in relation to them.

Dave

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 1:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Just checked it.  Yep, you put dots on the map page and select a dot.  So you 
can import all the Aps into the map.  You have to actually select the dot on 
the map page.

Then when you go to the VR theodolite page, the heading to that dot shows up on 
the compass wheel and it tells you if you need to look left or right.  It 
doesn’t put the dot visibly in the field of view but it certainly helps you to 
put the cross hairs right on the correct heading.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:53 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Theodolite will allow you to import markers that I believe show up on the VR 
view.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG 
of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from 
their location.

Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Paul McCall]

Looking at all the options related to Theodolite style apps.  Pretty cool

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

We have it on an ipad for the guys.  They can open a handhole, snap a photo and 
it will email the photo with the position printed (screenshot) as well as the 
orientation of the photo so you can tell which direction is which.

From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:10 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

I use it for all kinds of things.  Like if you are directional drilling up or 
down a hill, you can quickly get the slope of the hill so know what angle the 
bit should be while drilling at a constant depth below surface.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:07 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

You are a brave man trying to make a business out of NLOS fixed wireless.  On 
the one hand, it’s magic not science.  On the other hand, Elon Musk and 
T-Mobile are wanting to eat your lunch, not to mention government funded fiber.

I think it’s like getting people to pay to see you juggle running chainsaws, 
while they could instead watch Netflix or play Call Of Duty.  Very difficult, 
yet customers would rather be doing something else.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:49 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Theodolite will.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 1:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

LOL, definitely not in LOS territory.  90% of our rural stuff won’t see the 
towers.

We use tower coverage as well, but it doesn’t show the angle (degrees) to the 
tower.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

When an account (in Powercode) is made through Towercoverage API, it'll add the 
estimated signals to the tower starting with the closest ones.  That ticket 
could always be pulled up.

As far as alignment, I would think you're in LOS territory with 5 GHz so once 
you know where the tower is, you can aim for it by eyeball instead of app.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG 
of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from 
their location.

Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Paul McCall]

Not in total agreement with that assessment Ken.

20 years of having a fixed wireless division without really working 
aggressively for customer acquisition, over 1000 customers, while doing a bunch 
of other things.  Network running like a well-oiled machine, less than 10 tech 
phone calls per 24 hours, sometimes just 2 or 3.  We are well aware of future 
proofing and are doing that wherever possible.  I think we have a few years at 
least even at 2.4, running 45 degree sectors, and smaller fill towers.  We 
overlay what we can in 5 Ghz to give peak speeds.  Licensed BH links wherever 
possible.   If I had a local company that could provide 50Mbit plans for less 
than Mr. musk, I would take it all day long.  Not everyone would of course.  
ATT has had fixed wireless in 80% of our coverage area, and we have lost 4 
customers in 2 years to it.

But, I have other businesses, and a recording musician if that industry ever 
comes back.

They key is to be a honey badger at whatever you are doing!

I’m good 😊


From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 4:07 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

You are a brave man trying to make a business out of NLOS fixed wireless.  On 
the one hand, it’s magic not science.  On the other hand, Elon Musk and 
T-Mobile are wanting to eat your lunch, not to mention government funded fiber.

I think it’s like getting people to pay to see you juggle running chainsaws, 
while they could instead watch Netflix or play Call Of Duty.  Very difficult, 
yet customers would rather be doing something else.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 2:49 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Theodolite will.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 1:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

LOL, definitely not in LOS territory.  90% of our rural stuff won’t see the 
towers.

We use tower coverage as well, but it doesn’t show the angle (degrees) to the 
tower.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

When an account (in Powercode) is made through Towercoverage API, it'll add the 
estimated signals to the tower starting with the closest ones.  That ticket 
could always be pulled up.

As far as alignment, I would think you're in LOS territory with 5 GHz so once 
you know where the tower is, you can aim for it by eyeball instead of app.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG 
of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from 
their location.

Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Paul McCall]

LOL, definitely not in LOS territory.  90% of our rural stuff won’t see the 
towers.

We use tower coverage as well, but it doesn’t show the angle (degrees) to the 
tower.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

When an account (in Powercode) is made through Towercoverage API, it'll add the 
estimated signals to the tower starting with the closest ones.  That ticket 
could always be pulled up.

As far as alignment, I would think you're in LOS territory with 5 GHz so once 
you know where the tower is, you can aim for it by eyeball instead of app.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We have that… looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG 
of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from 
their location.

Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Paul McCall]

We have that... looking for more of a compass time app that will point him to a 
tower, based on stored LAT / LONG

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Google Earth

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 10:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG 
of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from 
their location.

Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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[AFMUG] Favorite AP for tower locating for techs

[Paul McCall]

Anyone have a favorite app??  (android or iPhone) for putting in the LAT/LONG 
of all the towers, so that the newbies have a general direction to a tower from 
their location.

Looking to import (or type them) in all the towers..

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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[AFMUG] Selling off some overstock

[Paul McCall]

Guys,

I have some Cambium 450 Gear that we are selling...new old stock been sitting 
here for a while) and some used.  Open to certain trades also.  Not appropriate 
to list here, but if you are interested, please email me directly.

Paul

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[AFMUG] Used PacketFlux SyncBox 12

[Paul McCall via AF]

Anybody have a couple of these they are not using that they want to part with?  
(will pay)

We have one in service in our network and need a couple spares.

Paul

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[AFMUG] Design consideration

[Paul McCall]

As per my other post, we will be connecting via DWDM to a DC in Miami.

On the way from Vero Beach, we have a spot in Ft. Pierce, (14 miles away) and 
then West Palm (60 miles from Ft. Pierce) and then on to a Miami DC (65 miles 
from West Palm).

In Ft. Pierce, I could see ourselves making use of the connectivity to our main 
NOC (breaking out BW and transit services there) but West Palm is not so much 
in our vision.  I definitely have to re-gen in West Palm and Ft. Pierce was 
optional but allows me to keep somewhat universal spares for all location AND 
the Colo’s at both the Ft. Pierce and West Palm location were dirt cheap.

Of course, the reasons to get the DC in Miami are the obvious ones ($$ for BW 
and access to the IX etc.)

The question is Option A…do I pull the BW for West Palm and Ft. Pierce directly 
from the Miami DC to maximize BW and transit efficiency, or Option B…do I pull 
that from the Vero Beach (main NOC) side to get to Ft. Pierce and West Palm.  
With Option B, I need more channels from Vero to the DC to get more BW for use 
at each regen/  colo spot.  Option B gives us a more direct extension of our 
main network to Ft. Pierce and West Palm.

I am leaning towards pulling Ft. Pierce directly from Vero since I see a 
potential extension of our WAN more in the near term and then pulling West Palm 
directly from the DC.

These are new considerations for me, so I wanted to query the crowd for 
opinions / suggestions

Paul 😊

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Auto Provisioning

[Paul McCall]

What Adam said 😊

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2020 11:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Auto Provisioning

I saw a Powerpoint presentation describing a setup like that. They had a 
website the customer logged into and they could customize a few specific things 
and that config was pushed down by the API.

Twenty years ago I would have tried that, but I think I've gotten lazier over 
time.  I'd rather buy something where the problems are already figured out and 
solved.  If you wanna go tackle that tiger then you must have eaten your 
Wheaties cuz you're more energetic than I am.


On 10/24/2020 5:02 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
> For config file management, someone smarter than me could probably 
> whip something out using Python or PHP to manage config files on an 
> HTTP server (that fetched connected to) and handle a fixed number of 
> configurable items (like SSID, etc.). Even doing port forwards this 
> way wouldn't be that difficult to handle.
>
> I suppose an alternative to having the router go pull its config would 
> be to use the API to push it - UNIMUS might be more cost 
> effective/less troublesome in the end.

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Re: [AFMUG] "Long-haul" Fiber DWDM equipment needs

[Paul McCall]

Yikes,  the extra 0 is not in the budget LOL

From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 8:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "Long-haul" Fiber DWDM equipment needs

Hi Paul, I think that Ciena is one of the bigger and most respected names out 
there, but you may need to add another zero at the end of the price tag 
compared to the FS solution.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 6:56 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hey guys,

We are lighting up right away with a DWDM solution, hopping 3 times about 130 
miiles total (2 regen points in the middle)

Have quotes from FS.COM<http://FS.COM> with their equipment. I know they are 
general through of as “cost-effective”, but wondering if they are the “best” 
choice

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Paul

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772-564-6800


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[AFMUG] "Long-haul" Fiber DWDM equipment needs

[Paul McCall]

Hey guys,

We are lighting up right away with a DWDM solution, hopping 3 times about 130 
miiles total (2 regen points in the middle)

Have quotes from FS.COM with their equipment. I know they are general through 
of as "cost-effective", but wondering if they are the "best" choice

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Paul McCall]

Hey guys,

I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting told them have no 
equipment that they can sell us at this time.  Been going on for quite a while 
now.

Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.

Have been through the presentation including where they told us it was about $ 
15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and utilize their “success team” required.

Just trying to get going with them, but having access to the equipment is kinda 
“a thing”

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 3:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019. What 
are you looking to know?


On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall 
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Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?

If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!

Thanks!

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[AFMUG] Calix users

[Paul McCall]

Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?

If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!

Thanks!

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[AFMUG] Contact for Calix

[Paul McCall]

Anybody have a reliable inside contact for Calix (pre-sales tech).  We really 
want to look at their product, have left several web inquiries , emailed a 
couple folks we found on the web over the past couple months and  Crickets.

Are they still doing business?

Paul

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[AFMUG] FW: Vendors for "long haul" fiber

[Paul McCall]

Resending because I didn’t see it show up  😉

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 2:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Vendors for "long haul" fiber

We are connecting to a DC using dark fiber that we need to light up with a DWDM 
solution, with one regen spot and one regular breakout spot.  We received 
quotes from Fiberstore.com and are looking for a 2nd quote “just because”.

I know FS is known as a good value, but didn’t know if there is another vendor 
we should be considering.

Paul

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[AFMUG] Vendors for "long haul" fiber

[Paul McCall]

We are connecting to a DC using dark fiber that we need to light up with a DWDM 
solution, with one regen spot and one regular breakout spot.  We received 
quotes from Fiberstore.com and are looking for a 2nd quote "just because".

I know FS is known as a good value, but didn't know if there is another vendor 
we should be considering.

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] Long shot - anybody with any UBNT LTU LR or Pro models to spare?

[Paul McCall]

LOL, didn’t even think of that!  thx

From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 1:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Long shot - anybody with any UBNT LTU LR or Pro models to 
spare?

https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airmax-and-ltu/products/ltu-pro

https://store.ui.com/collections/operator-airmax-and-ltu/products/ltu-lr

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 10:39 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Looking all over… need about 5 of either model, UBNT LTU LR or Pro.   Would 
like more but would be grateful to find 5

Paul


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[AFMUG] Long shot - anybody with any UBNT LTU LR or Pro models to spare?

[Paul McCall]

Looking all over... need about 5 of either model, UBNT LTU LR or Pro.   Would 
like more but would be grateful to find 5

Paul


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[AFMUG] Need to purchase 2200 feet of Corning SMF-28e+

[Paul McCall]

Anybody have this in stock?

Corning SMF-28e+
2200ft.

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[AFMUG] Custom fiber cables made quickly?

[Paul McCall]

Looking for a reliable source for getting custom fiber cables made quickly.  
(and cost effectively).

We often do short runs (200 to 500 ft.) of fiber (usually just 2 LC UPC 
connectors on it each end, with a pull eye) to go from building to building, so 
in conduit, outdoor rated.  While we do our own splicing for other things, it 
seems simpler to have some of these made for us, vs figuring out how to take a 
single strand (x2) spliced to a feed cable and make that single strand be 
structurally solid and with a pull eye on one end.

We do maybe one a month.  Was using FS.COM but they are sometimes very slow to 
make them and shipping on their outdoor cable is quite expensive, nearly as 
much (or more than) the cable itself.

Looked at IntegraOptics but they are at least (4) weeks out.

Paul



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[AFMUG] Need a Commscope cable

[Paul McCall]

Anybody know where to find one of these?  We normally buy from TVC and they are 
out

FHDXJ1R0010F  .  They connect to their MST

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[AFMUG] paid support needed - CNPilot / CNMaestro

[Paul McCall]

We need some help getting our first Mesh Base AP connected to a Mesh Base AP 
(BH - remote scenario).  Will pay for assistance!

Followed all the helpful documents but not getting it working.  Would expect it 
to be pretty simple, but we are missing something.

Need help right away, either now or 1st thing in the AM.

Thanks !

Paul

772-473-0352 (Cell)

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[AFMUG] Important - quick to sign

[Paul McCall]

Surprised this wasn't posted here before...  a letter to government  in RE: 6 
Ghz spectrum being available to WISPs

https://forms.gle/KDAu7JsyVMdbFhoZ8<https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fforms.gle%2FKDAu7JsyVMdbFhoZ8%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0bfGm9kJviZPvT5BMp74WWNev9IGCf36jPDDlfx5-ieJ-z8EBNqCnZvMA&h=AT0HS_0AgyLV_Y4aYXxXxhRsGwGiz2NIiJ77P8w7rUG0e10rIh15J-1vXMLC5MIfIpN1pRX_EZ1SVl2p8Pxp2Vrt7ea-I2dZuVn7Wd82_XDnL_KHV6goENNM2MEZfYCTlg&__tn__=-UK-R&c%5b0%5d=AT3j2yopOfn3tFDQJ05_uPRFCDu-QumAxzSi5oVtYtlo1mgpPyOXcVs7thKn_s1d4j3h_CHQt5ryzrLMWY0_1UIU0lusfmt_tPfPQ_Krf3BDBqIqNDzzatMphfbp-t3wh7h5qul5djBvdvI0Bi6CIlApaCyAMBOg9tq_S7f2LxeGQZMUUWUaGkgM2Bby>



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[AFMUG] Ubiquiti AF-11x licensed links

[Paul McCall]

Anybody have more than a couple of these thing in place for while that can 
comment on their Pros / Cons ?

Needing to buy 8 licensed links and looking for reliable, but cost effective

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] Probably a dump UBNT question - LTU Rocket

[Paul McCall]

Josh,

Have you deployed any of the PTMP in production?  How many?  How is it working?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Probably a dump UBNT question - LTU Rocket

Yes you need the beta for PTMP.  That firmware doesn't do PTP by the way.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 1:44 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Thanks.  Yep, I found the firmware.  Install 2.0.5 final that was released a 
month ago.  DO you have to get the 2.0.6-beta to get PTMP option not greyed out?

Yes, I posted on UBNT forum… no responses yet

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Omni Flux via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Omni Flux 
mailto:omniflux%2bli...@omniflux.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Probably a dump UBNT question - LTU Rocket

Firmware is posted on their community forum under Software Releases -> Beta -> 
LTU. The current version is 2.0.6-beta.

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On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 8:30 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We got a few of these in to test.  First thing, we noticed that the setting for 
AP Mode is greyed out.  Hmmm, I though that was the point of these 😊

Went looking for a firmware upgrade and don’t see LTU stuff in the downloads 
section.

Anybody already on-board with these?

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] Probably a dump UBNT question - LTU Rocket

[Paul McCall]

Ahh…  thanks Josh

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Probably a dump UBNT question - LTU Rocket

Yes you need the beta for PTMP.  That firmware doesn't do PTP by the way.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 1:44 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Thanks.  Yep, I found the firmware.  Install 2.0.5 final that was released a 
month ago.  DO you have to get the 2.0.6-beta to get PTMP option not greyed out?

Yes, I posted on UBNT forum… no responses yet

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Omni Flux via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Cc: Omni Flux 
mailto:omniflux%2bli...@omniflux.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Probably a dump UBNT question - LTU Rocket

Firmware is posted on their community forum under Software Releases -> Beta -> 
LTU. The current version is 2.0.6-beta.

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On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 8:30 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We got a few of these in to test.  First thing, we noticed that the setting for 
AP Mode is greyed out.  Hmmm, I though that was the point of these 😊

Went looking for a firmware upgrade and don’t see LTU stuff in the downloads 
section.

Anybody already on-board with these?

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] Probably a dump UBNT question - LTU Rocket

[Paul McCall]

Thanks.  Yep, I found the firmware.  Install 2.0.5 final that was released a 
month ago.  DO you have to get the 2.0.6-beta to get PTMP option not greyed out?

Yes, I posted on UBNT forum… no responses yet

From: AF  On Behalf Of Omni Flux via AF
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Omni Flux 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Probably a dump UBNT question - LTU Rocket

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On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 8:30 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We got a few of these in to test.  First thing, we noticed that the setting for 
AP Mode is greyed out.  Hmmm, I though that was the point of these 😊

Went looking for a firmware upgrade and don’t see LTU stuff in the downloads 
section.

Anybody already on-board with these?

Paul

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[AFMUG] Probably a dump UBNT question - LTU Rocket

[Paul McCall]

We got a few of these in to test.  First thing, we noticed that the setting for 
AP Mode is greyed out.  Hmmm, I though that was the point of these 😊

Went looking for a firmware upgrade and don’t see LTU stuff in the downloads 
section.

Anybody already on-board with these?

Paul

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[AFMUG] Assistance needed with our first CNPilot install

[Paul McCall]

Looking for a consultant to help us setup our first CNPilot install.   We have 
(3) CNPilot e410 and (6) CNPilot E500 units.

We have a simple indoor outdoor campus we need to setup for a customer with 
this gear.  We are running CNMaesto on a VM internally and have done almost 
nothing with CNMaestro.

We are slammed ATM with other projects, so I am seeking a consultant to help me 
jump start my knowledge base on this.

Any recommendations on assistance?

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] SFP Switches

[Paul McCall]

Adam, have you tried the 300 series of CRS.  Supposedly they are a lot less 
obtuse on configs for VLANs etc.

We just bought some and are going to put a couple in next week.

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP Switches


That could be a whole thread in and of itself.  I've probably got 100 or so 
CRS's in the field right now, plus 50-100 Mikrotik routers of one type or 
another.  Usually Tilera or MIPS BE.

First, so you know I'm not a hater I'll list the pros:

  *   Generally every ROS feature is available on every Mikrotik.  When I lived 
in Cisco land, it was sometimes frustrated to read about a feature that I 
wanted to implement and then find out that it didn't exist on this platform, or 
only worked if you had a certain module installed, or required a different IOS 
feature track, etc.
  *   They have two GUI's (Winbox and Web) and a CLI and they're all very 
consistent with each other.  Clicking Routing->OSPF->Neighbors is equivalent to 
typing /routing ospf neighbors.  Cisco sucked at this kind of usability and 
convenience.
  *   Almost all models have an industrial temperature spec -40C to +65C.  I 
sometimes wonder whether it could be an honest spec given their price 
point.but I also never had one die due to temperature as far as I know.
  *   Low price
  *   More or less every feature is there.  If ROS can't do something, then 
it's something esoteric and you probably don't need it.
  *   Physically they have low power consumption, wide range DC input 
(typically 10-60V), and small size.



Below are the problems that have me questioning my faith in the pride of 
Latvian electronics:

  *   Mysterious problems solved by reboot.  It is by no means common, but put 
enough of these things out there and I promise you'll see it.  Typically 
there's not enough information to troubleshoot with.
 *   SNMP stopped working on one unit yesterday.  Reboot fixed.  Probably 
the snmpd stopped, but there was no log message about it and nothing to 
indicate what was wrong, and no way to recover except reboot.
 *   I've mentioned before, but the CRS will sometimes decide one day that 
it doesn't want to pass any traffic to one or more ports.  Reboot fixes.  Again 
no indication of what's wrong other than it's not working.  I have only seen 
this on 2xx models, but they may be because that's mostly what we have.
 *   Other such incidents.  And it's pretty much always the switches, not 
the routers, doing these things.
  *   L2 features are obtuse.  You now have Interface->VLAN, Switch->VLAN, and 
Bridge->VLAN menus.  In any given combination of hardware and software two of 
these menus are not what you want, but all three are always present.  There are 
other examples of duplicate functionality.  If you use the wrong menus it may 
not work at all, or (worse) it may function as expected but perform poorly.  At 
least Cisco took away the "wrong" options.
  *   Documentation tends to be terse.  That can be a positive thing when you 
already know what you need to do and just need to know the syntax (as an 
example), but sometimes I'd appreciate a deeper dive.  Queue trees for example 
is something where you really want to experiment to understand what you're 
dealing with.  I'd appreciate more detailed info on that.
  *   No central management except whatever scripts you write yourself.  I'm 
not sure how far I'm willing to test scaling with just pexpect and some copy 
pasta, but I think I'm near the limit already.  I realize there's an API, but 
I'm not inclined to DIY an NMS.  Upgrading ROS on 200 devices is currently a 
project requiring multiple maintenance windows across several days.  I would 
pay for software that automates this.but such software doesn't seem to 
exist.
  *   Support seems to only be via the forum.  I haven't needed much help with 
usability, but I wouldn't mind getting assistance with some of the "mysterious 
problems solved by reboot" mentioned above.

Also no MEF.  I'm reaching a point where some layer2 diagnostics might be 
desirable.  For example I ran across an ethernet segment where one customer 
couldn't get above 50mbps.  I was able to narrow it down to a particular device 
by a process of elimination, but I'm betting some of the proper carrier 
switches have better ways to trouble shoot something like that (which is why I 
was looking at Adtran).  I still have feelers out on that.

I guess none of my Mikrotik complaints are insurmountable, but it's enough to 
make me look around and check how green the neighbors' grass looks.

-Adam


On 11/13/2019 9:36 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
What complaints?  What don't you like about that solution that has you looking 
elsewhere?

Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 9:32 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It's hard to argue wit

[AFMUG] Cost effective Frequency Coordination ???

[Paul McCall]

I have 4 or 5 licensed backhaul  links to get coordinated .

Who is the best for getting this done cost effectively (cheap)?

Paul

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[AFMUG] Mimosa B11 to Andrews adapter

[Paul McCall]

We have some Andrews dishes that we previously used with SAF Lumina radios.  We 
have some Mimosa B11s laying around.  Is there an adapter available / needed to 
couple these together?

Paul

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[AFMUG] Needing a OSPF / MPLS expert for an emergency

[Paul McCall]

Guys,

I have been working all week prepping our network to run MPLS.  Worked with 
Robert Terpe for a week to did a good job helping me, but we didn't get 
finished and a segment we did stopped working late last night and he worked all 
through the night with me trying to figure it out.This segment was fully 
committed to MPLS / VPLS, so going backward would be a huge chore and I need to 
fix the problem.

I got some of the towers to work via EoIP tunnels (disabled VPLS, etc.) but 
some of the towers he had tried other workarounds on and I can get them back, 
including a tower with 70 customers.  Going on 24 hours now, and Robert took 
off at 1030am for a plan flight home, and customers are ticked.  We had some 
problems 2 weekends ago on some of these same towers and its getting ugly.

Do you know of a GOOD consultant who could fix this right away?  (today, now on 
a Sunday)?  I left a message with Justin Wilson and with Butch Evans.  Nothing 
yet...
Thanks!

Paul


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[AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina Firmware needed

[Paul McCall]

Hi,

I have a couple older Lumina links that we want to try newer firmware with. 
Ours is about 5 years old or more.  We suspect it doesn't support large MTU 
frames.  Our testing shows about 1516.

If anyone has current firmware they could send me to try, that would be most 
appreciated.

Thansks

Paul

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[AFMUG] 320AP POE Injectors

[Paul McCall]

Anybody have a couple 320AP POE Injectors they can part with?

They are differently wired than standard -+  -+  on   4,5  7.8

Looking for a few for tech vans for them to program APs in the field

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Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

[Paul McCall]

Probably because….. Microsoft  LOL

It worked fine before … therefor it must be “improved”

From: AF  On Behalf Of dmmoffett
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 9:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

I wonder why the option is still there in the normal settings, but isn't 
actually looked at by default.  Must be more "intuitive" that way ;)




Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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From: Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
Date: 9/18/19 4:05 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

Found it.   Local Group Policy Editor.   Admin Templates, DNS Client.  Enable 
“Allow DNS suffix appending…. “ etc.

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 3:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

Yes, its under TCP/IP Advanced. DNS .“Append these suffixes”

It’s being ignored on my computer.

Worse, the suffix that shows up in IPCONFIG / all   is one of the desired 
suffixes, but is ignored also

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 3:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

are you talking about DNS Suffix Search List?


On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 2:06 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
That’s correct.  I also googled hosts file dns suffix and nothing.  I am sure 
there is a registry setting or a group policy or something causing it to get 
ignored.  It does it on both by home computer (a workgroup) and my office 
computers (domain)

When I find out, I’ll let everyone know as its very helpful

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

That does work, but isn't what Paul is asking about.


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From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:37:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix
On Windows you used to open the Hosts file and enter the ‘alias’ name you 
wanted and what it pointed to and it would work.

Not sure if that still works, or if you need something more in Windows 10.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

I agree it should be trivial.   In our case, we have a domain name where ALL 
internal equipment has a DNS forward have A records for (and in most cases 
reverses), and we prefix that domain name with a zone for each tower.So, it 
would be router.towername.ourdomain.com<http://router.towername.ourdomain.com>, 
sitemon.towername.ourdomain.com<http://sitemon.towername.ourdomain.com> etc.   
Used to be able to add ourdomain.com<http://ourdomain.com> to the DNS Suffix 
and just be able to refer to the piece of gear as router.towername  and the 
rest would get internally applied.  It stopped functioning with Win 10, even 
though it has the same setup.

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix


More like you telnet to "foo" and the computer fills in 
foo.bar.net<http://foo.bar.net>.  I understand how it could be convenient, but 

Re: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

[Paul McCall]

Thanks Dennis!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

We have many customers running MPLS on their networks, it really depends on 
your network design.  But give us a call if you need help.


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 1:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

Anybody care to comment on how successful they have been at running MPLS on 
their Mikrotik network?  Any pitfalls?  Its my first real look at the feature 
set and it looks promising.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
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Re: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

[Paul McCall]

That’s encouraging.   Just looking for any real world things to avoid, best 
practices etc.

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adair Winter
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 2:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

We run 6k+ subs on mikrotik mpls/vpls. What do you want to know?

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 1:22 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Anybody care to comment on how successful they have been at running MPLS on 
their Mikrotik network?  Any pitfalls?  Its my first real look at the feature 
set and it looks promising.

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

[Paul McCall]

Does Juniper have low cost gear for towers?  Our needs our super simple at 90% 
of the towers.   Like $ 80 hex router simple

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 5:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

Went from Mikrotik to Telco Systems to Juniper now on our MPLS… very happy now.


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Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 2:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Running MPLS

Anybody care to comment on how successful they have been at running MPLS on 
their Mikrotik network?  Any pitfalls?  Its my first real look at the feature 
set and it looks promising.

Paul

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658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
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Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

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Yes, its under TCP/IP Advanced. DNS .“Append these suffixes”

It’s being ignored on my computer.

Worse, the suffix that shows up in IPCONFIG / all   is one of the desired 
suffixes, but is ignored also

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 3:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

are you talking about DNS Suffix Search List?


On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 2:06 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
That’s correct.  I also googled hosts file dns suffix and nothing.  I am sure 
there is a registry setting or a group policy or something causing it to get 
ignored.  It does it on both by home computer (a workgroup) and my office 
computers (domain)

When I find out, I’ll let everyone know as its very helpful

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

That does work, but isn't what Paul is asking about.


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From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:37:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix
On Windows you used to open the Hosts file and enter the ‘alias’ name you 
wanted and what it pointed to and it would work.

Not sure if that still works, or if you need something more in Windows 10.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

I agree it should be trivial.   In our case, we have a domain name where ALL 
internal equipment has a DNS forward have A records for (and in most cases 
reverses), and we prefix that domain name with a zone for each tower.So, it 
would be router.towername.ourdomain.com<http://router.towername.ourdomain.com>, 
sitemon.towername.ourdomain.com<http://sitemon.towername.ourdomain.com> etc.   
Used to be able to add ourdomain.com<http://ourdomain.com> to the DNS Suffix 
and just be able to refer to the piece of gear as router.towername  and the 
rest would get internally applied.  It stopped functioning with Win 10, even 
though it has the same setup.

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix


More like you telnet to "foo" and the computer fills in 
foo.bar.net<http://foo.bar.net>.  I understand how it could be convenient, but 
I've never really relied on it.

I do not know the answer to the question.  It was definitely a trivial feature 
in older Windows versions, so I'm surprised it isn't trivial still.

-Adam


On 9/17/2019 9:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I may be showing my ignorance, but what is a DNS suffix?  I assume you don’t 
mean tld, like .com or .net.

Is this a feature where if you don’t enter a domain name, it fills in a 
default?  Like if your domain is foo.bar and you address an email to just paul, 
it assumes you mean p...@foo.bar<mailto:p...@foo.bar>?

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 7:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

Anybody know the magic secret of how to make DNS suffixes actually work in 
Windows 10.

Mine stopped working when I upgrade to Windows 10 a couple years ago, and I 
never got around to figuring it out.  Under TCP/IPv4, advanced, DNS, Append 
these…..   it seems to ignore it.  On my home computer (workgroup) I have it 
defined 

Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

[Paul McCall]

That’s correct.  I also googled hosts file dns suffix and nothing.  I am sure 
there is a registry setting or a group policy or something causing it to get 
ignored.  It does it on both by home computer (a workgroup) and my office 
computers (domain)

When I find out, I’ll let everyone know as its very helpful

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

That does work, but isn't what Paul is asking about.


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From: "Sterling Jacobson" mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:37:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix
On Windows you used to open the Hosts file and enter the ‘alias’ name you 
wanted and what it pointed to and it would work.

Not sure if that still works, or if you need something more in Windows 10.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

I agree it should be trivial.   In our case, we have a domain name where ALL 
internal equipment has a DNS forward have A records for (and in most cases 
reverses), and we prefix that domain name with a zone for each tower.So, it 
would be router.towername.ourdomain.com, sitemon.towername.ourdomain.com etc.   
Used to be able to add ourdomain.com to the DNS Suffix and just be able to 
refer to the piece of gear as router.towername  and the rest would get 
internally applied.  It stopped functioning with Win 10, even though it has the 
same setup.

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix


More like you telnet to "foo" and the computer fills in foo.bar.net.  I 
understand how it could be convenient, but I've never really relied on it.

I do not know the answer to the question.  It was definitely a trivial feature 
in older Windows versions, so I'm surprised it isn't trivial still.

-Adam


On 9/17/2019 9:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I may be showing my ignorance, but what is a DNS suffix?  I assume you don’t 
mean tld, like .com or .net.

Is this a feature where if you don’t enter a domain name, it fills in a 
default?  Like if your domain is foo.bar and you address an email to just paul, 
it assumes you mean p...@foo.bar<mailto:p...@foo.bar>?

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 7:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

Anybody know the magic secret of how to make DNS suffixes actually work in 
Windows 10.

Mine stopped working when I upgrade to Windows 10 a couple years ago, and I 
never got around to figuring it out.  Under TCP/IPv4, advanced, DNS, Append 
these…..   it seems to ignore it.  On my home computer (workgroup) I have it 
defined and it lists the primary suffix in ipconfig /all.  On my office domain, 
I have 2 suffixes defined, one shows up in ipconfig, yet doesn’t not work.

Googled a bit, no success.  PIA

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

[Paul McCall]

I agree it should be trivial.   In our case, we have a domain name where ALL 
internal equipment has a DNS forward have A records for (and in most cases 
reverses), and we prefix that domain name with a zone for each tower.So, it 
would be router.towername.ourdomain.com, sitemon.towername.ourdomain.com etc.   
Used to be able to add ourdomain.com to the DNS Suffix and just be able to 
refer to the piece of gear as router.towername  and the rest would get 
internally applied.  It stopped functioning with Win 10, even though it has the 
same setup.

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix


More like you telnet to "foo" and the computer fills in foo.bar.net.  I 
understand how it could be convenient, but I've never really relied on it.

I do not know the answer to the question.  It was definitely a trivial feature 
in older Windows versions, so I'm surprised it isn't trivial still.

-Adam


On 9/17/2019 9:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I may be showing my ignorance, but what is a DNS suffix?  I assume you don't 
mean tld, like .com or .net.

Is this a feature where if you don't enter a domain name, it fills in a 
default?  Like if your domain is foo.bar and you address an email to just paul, 
it assumes you mean p...@foo.bar<mailto:p...@foo.bar>?

From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 7:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] DNS Suffix

Anybody know the magic secret of how to make DNS suffixes actually work in 
Windows 10.

Mine stopped working when I upgrade to Windows 10 a couple years ago, and I 
never got around to figuring it out.  Under TCP/IPv4, advanced, DNS, Append 
these.   it seems to ignore it.  On my home computer (workgroup) I have it 
defined and it lists the primary suffix in ipconfig /all.  On my office domain, 
I have 2 suffixes defined, one shows up in ipconfig, yet doesn't not work.

Googled a bit, no success.  PIA

Paul

Paul McCall, President
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658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800



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[AFMUG] DNS Suffix

[Paul McCall]

Anybody know the magic secret of how to make DNS suffixes actually work in 
Windows 10.

Mine stopped working when I upgrade to Windows 10 a couple years ago, and I 
never got around to figuring it out.  Under TCP/IPv4, advanced, DNS, Append 
these.   it seems to ignore it.  On my home computer (workgroup) I have it 
defined and it lists the primary suffix in ipconfig /all.  On my office domain, 
I have 2 suffixes defined, one shows up in ipconfig, yet doesn't not work.

Googled a bit, no success.  PIA

Paul

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Vero Beach, FL 32962
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[AFMUG] Running MPLS

[Paul McCall]

Anybody care to comment on how successful they have been at running MPLS on 
their Mikrotik network?  Any pitfalls?  Its my first real look at the feature 
set and it looks promising.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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[AFMUG] MTU Settings on Mimosa C5

[Paul McCall]

After searching the GUI and finding nothing for setting the MTU on the C5,  I 
save the config and DO see that MTU is one of the settings there.  However, I 
am a little leery of just changing it and uploading it.   Haven't been super 
impressed with these units robustness with config changes or firmware upgrades 
either.  Something things just don't come back.  Its 450ft. up so it would be a 
big deal.

Does anyone have knowledge on this setting MTU on the C5 ?

Paul

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Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

[Paul McCall]

Got to know!

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Corcoran
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 11:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

Careful!  While the Lumina does support Jumbo and baby Jumbo frames, it only 
supports them when the interface is running in 1000BaseT.   If your Ethernet or 
fiber switches to 100BaseT for any reason the MTU limit is around 1514.So 
if you use Jumbo frames,  you have to lock the interface to 1000baseT 
negotiation or else a minor cable problem can cause a major MTU mismatch issue.




On 9/9/19, 11:11 PM, "AF on behalf of George Skorup"  wrote:

I'm logged into a Lumina and don't see anything special. I don't think
there are any settings, because it's just a managed switch with a
stated max frame size.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:34 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Natively, without  any settings?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07
>
> I believe the Lumina supports 9600-byte jumbo frames.
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
> >
> > We have some SAF CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07 that I am wanting to 
verify the MTU settings on.  Looking to make sure that the MTU is 2000 or 
better.
> >
> >
> >
> > Not seeing an option for it in the firmware.  I know this is probably 
old firmware but its been running for years so we haven’t messed with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anybody have insight as to their MTU settings?
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul McCall, President
> >
> > Florida Broadband / PDMNet
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

[Paul McCall]

Thanks George!

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 11:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

I'm logged into a Lumina and don't see anything special. I don't think there 
are any settings, because it's just a managed switch with a stated max frame 
size.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:34 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Natively, without  any settings?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07
>
> I believe the Lumina supports 9600-byte jumbo frames.
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
> >
> > We have some SAF CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07 that I am wanting to verify 
> > the MTU settings on.  Looking to make sure that the MTU is 2000 or better.
> >
> >
> >
> > Not seeing an option for it in the firmware.  I know this is probably old 
> > firmware but its been running for years so we haven’t messed with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anybody have insight as to their MTU settings?
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul McCall, President
> >
> > Florida Broadband / PDMNet
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

[Paul McCall]

Natively, without  any settings?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

I believe the Lumina supports 9600-byte jumbo frames.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:55 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> We have some SAF CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07 that I am wanting to verify the 
> MTU settings on.  Looking to make sure that the MTU is 2000 or better.
>
>
>
> Not seeing an option for it in the firmware.  I know this is probably old 
> firmware but its been running for years so we haven’t messed with it.
>
>
>
> Anybody have insight as to their MTU settings?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> Florida Broadband / PDMNet
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Firewall question

[Paul McCall]

Yes, this was the answer guys.  Thanks!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Louis Arsenault
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Firewall question

It would mitigate looped SM's. I use to prevent broadcast like rogue DHCP 
server and Mikrotik Discovery.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 10:55 AM Vlad Sedov 
mailto:v...@atlasok.com>> wrote:
Would this be beneficial to put, say, all APs on a tower to the same horizon 
value to help mitigate looped SMs?



Vlad


On 9/7/2019 9:40 PM, Louis Arsenault wrote:
I believe what you are looking for is split horizon.
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:MPLSVPLS#Split_horizon_bridging
Essentially "The basic idea of split horizon bridging is to make traffic 
arriving over some port never be sent out some set of ports"
So ports that are in the same bridge group and you do not want traffic 
forwarded between them then set the horizon value all the same.



On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:44 PM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
We are having a network problem.

I have a bridge at a tower that has a bunch of VLANs on it (going up the tower 
on fiber to a Fiber/POE switch. I have each AP on a separate VLAN, but all 
VLANs are in the "LANBridge". I am having an AP acting up and want to separate 
communication between the VLAN's on that bridge
I could enable IP Firewall on that bridge, but I don't know what the Firewall 
rules would be for it to isolate the interfaces (VLANs) on the bridge


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[AFMUG] MTU settings on CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07

[Paul McCall]

We have some SAF CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.71.07 that I am wanting to verify the 
MTU settings on.  Looking to make sure that the MTU is 2000 or better.

Not seeing an option for it in the firmware.  I know this is probably old 
firmware but its been running for years so we haven't messed with it.

Anybody have insight as to their MTU settings?

Paul

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[AFMUG] Mikrotik Firewall question

[Paul McCall]

We are having a network problem.

I have a bridge at a tower that has a bunch of VLANs on it (going up the tower 
on fiber to a Fiber/POE switch. I have each AP on a separate VLAN, but all 
VLANs are in the "LANBridge". I am having an AP acting up and want to separate 
communication between the VLAN's on that bridge
I could enable IP Firewall on that bridge, but I don't know what the Firewall 
rules would be for it to isolate the interfaces (VLANs) on the bridge


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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Paul McCall]

Daniel,

Do you have a good source for me to talk to on design for this?  Not sometime 
we do very often and I want to make sure we cover all the dynamics of how it 
gets setup.

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 11:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

The Unifi Mesh AP's with a Gen2 Cloud Key... works pretty good.  You can even 
remotely manage it without too much trouble.

[photograph]
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phone: +1 (702) 470-2766
direct: +1 (702) 470-2770
Paul McCall wrote on 8/21/19 16:44:

We have a small agriculture "campus" where we need to connect about 6 APs back 
to the campus tower for "roaming" Wifi if that is a thing.  Meaning the guy 
with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need to switch APs 
automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, 
backhauled it to the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

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[AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Paul McCall]

We have a small agriculture "campus" where we need to connect about 6 APs back 
to the campus tower for "roaming" Wifi if that is a thing.  Meaning the guy 
with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need to switch APs 
automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, 
backhauled it to the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

Paul McCall, President
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

[Paul McCall]

From who Gino?   Been at least a year since we looked… was costly, and reviews 
from others not so hot

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

Have you looked into TVWS ?


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 6:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65 competes 
favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree penetration 
challenged customers.

I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work better 
that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65 performed 
as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.  Seeing that LTE 
or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in 450 series (even 
Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.

We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are not happy with 
the LTE options available ATM, having field tested Baicells and Bliniq for a 
while now.

Paul


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

[Paul McCall]

Great feedback everyone.  Kinda what I figured though.  No special sauce added 
on the MU-Mimo part of the 450 APs that overcome tree penetration issues.  We 
have had good luck with the 320s for the most part, but they are only ¾ baked 
as a system , and far from being future proof, capacity wise.

The 3.65 band  in general makes they choice a bit tentative.  Meaning  you can 
spend a bunch of money on LTE gear and have a $ 150 UBNT device start 
interfering with you, with little recourse.  Ouch.  No 2.5ghz band available in 
my area.

And, In Florida our ROI sheet has to account for more equipment damage that 
most, so its not an easy call.

Paul


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

We are at decision time on what to do with the 320/ubnt 3ghz, same boat on 
decisions. LTE is a brand new horse to us, but the historic issues of 
interference frighten my more than walking in on my wife with another man when 
she should be doing laundry, I need clean work shirts. We had done some base 
testing with baicells and we considering the trigger pull, but we have the 450 
out, and its performed as well or better than expected, this is not i or m but 
it was considered, by us to be a drop in replacement for the wimax, and ePMP to 
pick up the LOS UBNT junk.
Ive been trying to find out what SAS is actually doing real world, but I dont 
know that the trial operators are allowed to speak of it without ending up in a 
lake with concrete shoes. If SAS solves all the worlds woes regarding 
interference, its a cost no brainer to deploy the crap out of baicells, take 
the range hit, and fill the gaps with microcells where required.
but, 450, being the horse it is, works, and works well, even in the 
interference we have. Its drop in for us on the wimax because we were very 
careful on EIRP to not push our luck. we may take a 1x hit here and there, but 
offloading the LOS customers to EPMP will make up for that. May still require 
the occasional non standard solution for the customers that just dont work on 
anything other than the wimax, solely because it connected at such a crummy 
level. We should have addressed them historically anyway though.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Probably not applicable to PMP320, but with the Purewave basestations, I’m 
convinced many operators were setting them to max xmt power ignoring FCC limits 
on EIRP.  That of course didn’t help upstream, and the CPE was fairly anemic.  
But downstream, I think that was part of the “magic”.

I think with CBRS there is the potential of increased EIRP over what we are 
allowed under Part 90.  Given the huge power consumption of the 3.6 GHz 
PMP450m, I have to suspect it has the power amps to take advantage of higher 
EIRP, not sure about the regular 450 AP.  If I remember correctly though, it 
doesn’t have as many antenna beams as the 5 GHz 450m.  And given the size, 
weight and power consumption, we have sites I doubt we could deploy 4 sectors.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

I agree on the PMP320's impressive tree penetration. We moved some sites from 
PMP320 to PMP450... with the added gain of the PMP450 reflector dish (8+11dBi 
vs the PMP320's 14dBi) I expected it to make up for the PMP450's lower transmit 
power, and as a result have "similar" final signal levels. In the end, some 
customers heavily in trees "lost" up to 10dB of signal and required moving 
their mounts etc. So the WiMAX / flat-panel-in-NLOS magic seems to have been 
adding around 10dB.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:58 AM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Quite the opposite for us.  PMP320 could burn through trees!

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:30 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
WiMAX had little to no magical power against trees when we deployed it.  Trees 
apparently are hype resistant.  YMMV.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65 competes 
favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree penetration 
challenged customers.

I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work better 
that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65 performed 
as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.  Seeing that LTE 
or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in 450 series (even 
Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.

We are open minded 

[AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

[Paul McCall]

We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65 competes 
favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree penetration 
challenged customers.

I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work better 
that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65 performed 
as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.  Seeing that LTE 
or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in 450 series (even 
Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.

We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are not happy with 
the LTE options available ATM, having field tested Baicells and Bliniq for a 
while now.

Paul


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Vero Beach, FL 32962
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Re: [AFMUG] 3rd party support

[Paul McCall]

Ken!!!  😊

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 3:31 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3rd party support

Maybe Utah folks need to study this website as additional training before 
providing support for clients in Florida:
https://floridaman.com/


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3rd party support

Sad to hear.  We have had such good service from Serverplus over the years.

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 10:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] 3rd party support

Any good options out there?  We go through waves of frustration with Server 
Plus folks either not being trained correctly, or just being bad at their job.

Looking for options

Paul McCall, President
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Vero Beach, FL 32962
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[AFMUG] 3rd party support

[Paul McCall]

Any good options out there?  We go through waves of frustration with Server 
Plus folks either not being trained correctly, or just being bad at their job.

Looking for options

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Vero Beach, FL 32962
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[AFMUG] Good UPS with a Physical switch

[Paul McCall]

The vast majority of our towers run on 48v power, but we have a couple small 
towers that just have 110vac with a standard UPS.   The UPSs we have bought 
recently have this "momentary" type switch (digital blab la bla) and sometimes 
they will just turn off.  Maybe there is a slight surge or something, but they 
in essence turn themselves OFF.

Looking for a UPS with the old fashion physical ON / OFF rocker type switch, 
that I know will stay on.

Was surprised looking around that they are hard to find.

Any suggestions?

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Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer / Tech Support Position in Sunny Florida

[Paul McCall]

Thanks Tim!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 9:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer / Tech Support Position in Sunny Florida

if you need any remote help let me know

I'm living in the Philippines right now so I'm cheap

and have a fiber connection here

find me as 900mhzdude on the UBNT forums

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:27 PM Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I have had pretty good success hiring non technical people with 
indeed.com<http://indeed.com>
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 9, 2019, at 6:34 AM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hey guys,

Just throwing this out there.  If you are looking to relocate to sunny Florida, 
 Florida Broadband has an opening starting immediately, for a key position in 
the company.  After 10 years, my right hand man from a technical standpoint, is 
changing life directions and we need to replace him.

This was a bit unexpected and just happened, and we have relatively short 
notice, so I haven’t had a chance to draft a formal Job Offer sheet.   I will 
have that in a few days.  The position currently wears many hats.  Admin’ing 
the network has responsibilities, but when that is going properly, there is a 
lot of other things to do, including being involved in tech support. Our 
network is fairly simple.   Fortunately, things run pretty smoothly here 
(except the summer storms), so even that is not an all-consuming task.  Being 
able to program is a bonus as we have some perl and a little PHP routines 
written.  So, a wide general skillset would work best.

Florida Broadband is growing and we are looking for good people. Not wanting to 
poach anybody’s people (and that probably wouldn’t happen anyway), but if 
someone is looking for a geographic change in sunny Florida, there is an 
opportunity here.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
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772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux 320 Sync Injectors ?

[Paul McCall]

How do the 10/100 ones do it since the Aps are wired oddly?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux 320 Sync Injectors ?

the 320 ones and the 10/100 ones both work

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:22 AM Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Does anyone have any Packetflux sync injectors for the canopy 320 units?  We 
are slowly moving away from 320s so not wanting to buy a bunch of new ones, but 
need 4 or 5 on the shelf for spares.

Let me know please if you want to part with some.

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
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[AFMUG] Packetflux 320 Sync Injectors ?

[Paul McCall]

Does anyone have any Packetflux sync injectors for the canopy 320 units?  We 
are slowly moving away from 320s so not wanting to buy a bunch of new ones, but 
need 4 or 5 on the shelf for spares.

Let me know please if you want to part with some.

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
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[AFMUG] Network Engineer / Tech Support Position in Sunny Florida

[Paul McCall]

Hey guys,

Just throwing this out there.  If you are looking to relocate to sunny Florida, 
 Florida Broadband has an opening starting immediately, for a key position in 
the company.  After 10 years, my right hand man from a technical standpoint, is 
changing life directions and we need to replace him.

This was a bit unexpected and just happened, and we have relatively short 
notice, so I haven't had a chance to draft a formal Job Offer sheet.   I will 
have that in a few days.  The position currently wears many hats.  Admin'ing 
the network has responsibilities, but when that is going properly, there is a 
lot of other things to do, including being involved in tech support. Our 
network is fairly simple.   Fortunately, things run pretty smoothly here 
(except the summer storms), so even that is not an all-consuming task.  Being 
able to program is a bonus as we have some perl and a little PHP routines 
written.  So, a wide general skillset would work best.

Florida Broadband is growing and we are looking for good people. Not wanting to 
poach anybody's people (and that probably wouldn't happen anyway), but if 
someone is looking for a geographic change in sunny Florida, there is an 
opportunity here.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
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658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

[Paul McCall]

That's it.   I QUIT!

Less we ever forget out history 😊

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 4:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette

I have always been a top...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Some people get all bent out of shape over top posting.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 2:35 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Email Etiquette
> 
> Gawd I hate that.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 7/1/2019 12:16 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Also, people that start "new" threads on mailing lists by replying to 
>> an existing e-mail and then changing all of the content in the 
>> message to be something else. That jacks up the threading.
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Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

[Paul McCall]

Thx!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 1:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

I don’t recall how much less.
https://rallyrep.com/
Ask for Travis Pyne.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 29, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Paul McCall 
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
That's a good reference then 😊

I shouldn't be concerned with having to use an adapter from SC to LC for 
testing?

And, when you say "less than that".,...,   do you mean less than the price from 
Baltic ($ 2600)?  If so, can I get contact info for your local rep?

Needing to purchase this Monday and get it here by Wednesday EOD if possible

Paul

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

I really like mine:
https://www.techtoolsupply.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=INNO-MINI2&source=googleps&gdffi=a2fd11e1880844dfbe0b89871fd6ef5c&gdfms=3827B7DC69EA4FE793788CCA9872E170&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0NuRp4-P4wIVkLfsCh3EsgrDEAQYAiABEgLLufD_BwE

I got it for much less than that from a local rep.

-Original Message-
From: Paul McCall
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 10:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

Yeah, I was looking at the Chinese ones for $ 1K or so.  But, we will need to 
purchase one at some point as we are lighting some 40mile to 70mile dark fiber 
leases in a few months so makes sense to spend a little more and get something 
better

In our NOC, we are terminating 110+  fibers (1:1) to LC Corning cassettes.
Was looking at the INNO models here.  Like the price on the Mini, but want to 
make sure I can test LC connections properly using an adapter. The spec on the 
Mini only shows "Compatible connector: FC, SC (APC or UPC)". Whereas the 500 
shows Compatible Connector: APC(FC, SC, LC), UPC(FC, SC, LC, ST).
Probably a dumb question, but I need to ask.

https://www.balticnetworks.com/inno-instrument-view-mini-2-otdr-kit.html

https://www.balticnetworks.com/inno-instrument-view500-otdr-kit.html

Are there other factors I should be thinking of or a better brand / model near 
the same price?

Paul

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
fiber...@mail.com<mailto:fiber...@mail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 2:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

FYI, the weekly rentals are just about what you'd pay for an el cheapo Chinese 
OTDR. Mine works fine for short distances (< ~10 miles). On longer spans the 
sensitivity/noise/dead zones are suboptimal, but it still works.
FS has some, but haven't tried their models.

In other words, it all depends on what your requirements are. If you are just 
testing short spans, know what you are doing and can live with the limitations, 
go Chinese. If you need to characterize, certify or need something like iOLM 
and/or need it only intermittently, rent.

Jared



Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019
From: "Tim Withrow via AF" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: "Tim Withrow" mailto:timwith...@aol.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ODTR
rental is best  I would think if you're not going to put it the full use.
Here's a couple links that can help you out.
https://www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/otdr-rentals
I would say go with the best to rent.

https://www.flukenetworks.com/content/authorized-rental-partners[https://www.flukenetworks.com/content/authorized-rental-partners<https://www.flukenetworks.com/content/authorized-rental-partners%5bhttps:/www.flukenetworks.com/content/authorized-rental-partners>]



On Thursday, June 27, 2019 Paul McCall 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:



We are looking for a cost-effective (cheap) ODTR to test fiber we are putting 
in a business park.  Not looking to have much otherwise.

Any budget friendly gear that works well?   Or maybe rent /borrow one for a
week?

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

[Paul McCall]

That's a good reference then 😊

I shouldn't be concerned with having to use an adapter from SC to LC for 
testing?

And, when you say "less than that".,...,   do you mean less than the price from 
Baltic ($ 2600)?  If so, can I get contact info for your local rep?

Needing to purchase this Monday and get it here by Wednesday EOD if possible

Paul

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

I really like mine:
https://www.techtoolsupply.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=INNO-MINI2&source=googleps&gdffi=a2fd11e1880844dfbe0b89871fd6ef5c&gdfms=3827B7DC69EA4FE793788CCA9872E170&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0NuRp4-P4wIVkLfsCh3EsgrDEAQYAiABEgLLufD_BwE

I got it for much less than that from a local rep.

-----Original Message-
From: Paul McCall
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 10:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

Yeah, I was looking at the Chinese ones for $ 1K or so.  But, we will need to 
purchase one at some point as we are lighting some 40mile to 70mile dark fiber 
leases in a few months so makes sense to spend a little more and get something 
better

In our NOC, we are terminating 110+  fibers (1:1) to LC Corning cassettes. 
Was looking at the INNO models here.  Like the price on the Mini, but want to 
make sure I can test LC connections properly using an adapter. The spec on the 
Mini only shows "Compatible connector: FC, SC (APC or UPC)". Whereas the 500 
shows Compatible Connector: APC(FC, SC, LC), UPC(FC, SC, LC, ST). 
Probably a dumb question, but I need to ask.

https://www.balticnetworks.com/inno-instrument-view-mini-2-otdr-kit.html

https://www.balticnetworks.com/inno-instrument-view500-otdr-kit.html

Are there other factors I should be thinking of or a better brand / model near 
the same price?

Paul

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 2:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

FYI, the weekly rentals are just about what you'd pay for an el cheapo Chinese 
OTDR. Mine works fine for short distances (< ~10 miles). On longer spans the 
sensitivity/noise/dead zones are suboptimal, but it still works. 
FS has some, but haven't tried their models.

In other words, it all depends on what your requirements are. If you are just 
testing short spans, know what you are doing and can live with the limitations, 
go Chinese. If you need to characterize, certify or need something like iOLM 
and/or need it only intermittently, rent.

Jared



Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019
From: "Tim Withrow via AF" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: "Tim Withrow" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ODTR
rental is best  I would think if you're not going to put it the full use. 
Here's a couple links that can help you out.
https://www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/otdr-rentals
I would say go with the best to rent.

https://www.flukenetworks.com/content/authorized-rental-partners[https://www.flukenetworks.com/content/authorized-rental-partners]


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On Thursday, June 27, 2019 Paul McCall  wrote:



We are looking for a cost-effective (cheap) ODTR to test fiber we are putting 
in a business park.  Not looking to have much otherwise.

Any budget friendly gear that works well?   Or maybe rent /borrow one for a 
week?

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

[Paul McCall]

Yeah, I was looking at the Chinese ones for $ 1K or so.  But, we will need to 
purchase one at some point as we are lighting some 40mile to 70mile dark fiber 
leases in a few months so makes sense to spend a little more and get something 
better

In our NOC, we are terminating 110+  fibers (1:1) to LC Corning cassettes.   
Was looking at the INNO models here.  Like the price on the Mini, but want to 
make sure I can test LC connections properly using an adapter. The spec on the 
Mini only shows "Compatible connector: FC, SC (APC or UPC)". Whereas the 500 
shows Compatible Connector: APC(FC, SC, LC), UPC(FC, SC, LC, ST).Probably a 
dumb question, but I need to ask.

https://www.balticnetworks.com/inno-instrument-view-mini-2-otdr-kit.html

https://www.balticnetworks.com/inno-instrument-view500-otdr-kit.html

Are there other factors I should be thinking of or a better brand / model near 
the same price?

Paul

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 2:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ODTR

FYI, the weekly rentals are just about what you'd pay for an el cheapo Chinese 
OTDR. Mine works fine for short distances (< ~10 miles). On longer spans the 
sensitivity/noise/dead zones are suboptimal, but it still works. FS has some, 
but haven't tried their models.

In other words, it all depends on what your requirements are. If you are just 
testing short spans, know what you are doing and can live with the limitations, 
go Chinese. If you need to characterize, certify or need something like iOLM 
and/or need it only intermittently, rent.

Jared
 
 

Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 
From: "Tim Withrow via AF" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: "Tim Withrow" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ODTR
rental is best  I would think if you're not going to put it the full use. 
Here's a couple links that can help you out.
https://www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/otdr-rentals
I would say go with the best to rent.
 
https://www.flukenetworks.com/content/authorized-rental-partners[https://www.flukenetworks.com/content/authorized-rental-partners]
 
 
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We are looking for a cost-effective (cheap) ODTR to test fiber we are putting 
in a business park.  Not looking to have much otherwise. 
 
Any budget friendly gear that works well?   Or maybe rent /borrow one for a 
week?
 
Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
 
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[AFMUG] ODTR

[Paul McCall]

We are looking for a cost-effective (cheap) ODTR to test fiber we are putting 
in a business park.  Not looking to have much otherwise.

Any budget friendly gear that works well?   Or maybe rent /borrow one for a 
week?

Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800

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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Paul McCall]

OK, but if (2) for just the edge, any suggestion?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

You don't necessarily need one for each, just more than one to handle router 
failure, maintenance, etc.


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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
Answers in line….

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third.

Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers. Possibly 
even separate edge routers and core routers.  We thought about this, we ran 
iBGP years ago for a different reason…  so if you have provider # 1, provider # 
2, and provider # 3 (actually a link to an IX), you would run THREE different 
routers each with an SFP+ on it, then another router to manage the iBGP and all 
the traffic with full routers.  If that is the case Mike, then what routers 
would you recommend for the 3 and what router for the “managing router”:

A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6.

What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have that 
resource configured optimally?  We don’t really have a non-BGP major resource 
hog on it ATM.  Don’t know how jumping from dual 1 GB backbones to 2 to 3 
10Gbit backbones to support our fiber customers is going to impact things 
though.

Paul
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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
Two parts Mike,

We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit 
connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber 
customers coming on board.

So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would like a 
spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement.

Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

What aspect are you outgrowing?



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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Paul McCall]

Answers in line….

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

Design first, identify weak points second, decide products third.

Put each upstream on a separate router and do iBGP between routers. Possibly 
even separate edge routers and core routers.  We thought about this, we ran 
iBGP years ago for a different reason…  so if you have provider # 1, provider # 
2, and provider # 3 (actually a link to an IX), you would run THREE different 
routers each with an SFP+ on it, then another router to manage the iBGP and all 
the traffic with full routers.  If that is the case Mike, then what routers 
would you recommend for the 3 and what router for the “managing router”:

A major weak point on a CCR are their ability to do BGP well in v6.

What is your non-BGP resource hog now? Are you absolutely sure you have that 
resource configured optimally?  We don’t really have a non-BGP major resource 
hog on it ATM.  Don’t know how jumping from dual 1 GB backbones to 2 to 3 
10Gbit backbones to support our fiber customers is going to impact things 
though.

Paul
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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:08:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
Two parts Mike,

We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit 
connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber 
customers coming on board.

So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would like a 
spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement.

Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

What aspect are you outgrowing?



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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
OR… is there a better way to go here  x86, build your own box, etc.We used 
to use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to 
deal with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years.  (More comments on line 
about common issues, etc.)

Any suggestions?

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

We have outgrown of

Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Paul McCall]

Two parts Mike,

We are adding (2) 10Gbit connections to the web soon, are adding 2 10Gbit 
connections on the “internal network” side of things to process some fiber 
customers coming on board.

So, there are 4 SFP+ immediately used, and we will have more and would like a 
spare or two anyway, so 8 SFP+ capability would seem a requirement.

Of course, with all this the processing power needs to keep up

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

What aspect are you outgrowing?



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From: "Paul McCall" mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:41:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+
OR… is there a better way to go here  x86, build your own box, etc.We used 
to use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to 
deal with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years.  (More comments on line 
about common issues, etc.)

Any suggestions?

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+.

Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

Science Fiction “High Life”

Two thumbs down down down.

Zero budget for a space flick.  Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight.
Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back).

The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds.

Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing.

Don’t waste money on this.

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Re: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Paul McCall]

OR… is there a better way to go here  x86, build your own box, etc.We used 
to use Lanner appliances years ago, but have felt most comfortable (easy to 
deal with) using Mikrotik Appliances in recent years.  (More comments on line 
about common issues, etc.)

Any suggestions?

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+.

Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them

Paul

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

Science Fiction “High Life”

Two thumbs down down down.

Zero budget for a space flick.  Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight.
Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back).

The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds.

Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing.

Don’t waste money on this.
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[AFMUG] CCR1072-1G-8S+

[Paul McCall]

We have outgrown of CCR-1036’s here at the core and looking at CCR1072-1G-8S+.

Anybody selling these used?  Looking for a pair of them

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2019 9:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

Science Fiction “High Life”

Two thumbs down down down.

Zero budget for a space flick.  Lots of dryer hose and liquid tight.
Space suits that don’t have seals for the helmets (looks like burlap in the 
back).

The story line/plot was minimally OK but it was long and the obviously cheap 
cheap cheap effects ruin it for nerds.

Weird gratuitous one way sex scene with Jullitte Binoche could have been 
slightly interesting but is was just gross and disturbing.

Don’t waste money on this.
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[AFMUG] Private Cloud server

[Paul McCall]

We have a client that wants us to create / host a multiple 4TB  cloud server 
for them.  I know there are some "home type solutions" available but thought 
there might be a great commercial version, maybe that would accommodate 
multiple logins, customers?

Suggestions?

Paul
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[AFMUG] Blazing Hog Internet

[Paul McCall]

Anybody have any feedback on them?  Had a prospect get hooked up with them 
today.

https://www.blazinghog.com/#/

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[AFMUG] "Travel Router" with USB and AC

[Paul McCall]

Hey guys,

I stumbled on this cool device, that acts like a NAS server, has a 1 mAh 
battery built in, and shows up as an AP that you can pull data (stream) data 
from.  Which makes it cool when traveling to stick a USB with large data 
(Movies) on it and stream to your local device.

However, this one only does 2.4 Ghz (N) and can't keep up with some streaming.

Anyone using something similar but has 5Ghz  (AC)?  The large battery is not a 
requirement for me, but maybe half that would be required to stream during a 3 
hour flight.

Paul


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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's

[Paul McCall]

We would definitely be depending on Sync to work.  I thought they were past 
their sync issues at this point.   Yes, serving 50Mbit + plans, LOS, 3 to 4 
miles max. (mostly closer)

From: AF  On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 11:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Rocket's

I really like the pattern on the latest ePMP sector. We may or may not have had 
to replace a KP antenna or two with them because the KP stopped performing as 
expected. Old, Gen1/Gen2 5ghz stuff. Probably been in the air for 5 years at 
this point.

Previous to the ePMP sector, I think RF Elements was the OEM for EPMP 1000 
Generation 1 sectors. Those are still humming along perfectly fine, and 
completely in my opinion work better then the KP Performance equivalent. I 
haven't used a new KP performance antenna since we started deploying ePMP, the 
new product line may be better, but I don't have first hand experience.

What is your deployment target exactly? Are you hoping to serve huge 50mbit+ 
plans? What are you hoping to achieve speed, distance wise?



On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 10:31 AM Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
I'm not sure how well sync in working on the Ubiquiti AC gear these days, maybe 
someone else will chime in. Might want to look at ePMP as well.

On Friday, December 28, 2018, Alex Davidson 
mailto:al...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
Hey guys,

This is our first deployment of the UBNT Rocket Prism (AC gen 2) 5GHz. We are 
looking for 4- 90 degree sectors to place on a tower and wanted to know what is 
the highest capacity product out there to do so. What are some of the pros & 
cons to these products? What is everyone else using, what is working and what 
is not working?

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[AFMUG] PTMP Airfiber or LTU

[Paul McCall]

Has anyone heard any update on when the PTMP Airfiber or other UBNT LTU gear is 
coming?

It seems like the fodder / vaporware cycle on this has been running long then 
normal

Paul
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[Paul McCall]

He hasn't gotten an email to accept / acknowledge

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But he is not on the list yet.  He may have to accept or verify something.

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I just manually added him.  At least I did all the steps you do when manually 
adding someone.

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 8:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Subscribe

al...@pdmnet.net<mailto:al...@pdmnet.net>

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 10:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
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I see a new subscription or two a week.  Not sure what method people are using.
What was the email?  I can manually put him in.

http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
or
mailto:af-requ...@af.afmug.com%20subject=subscribe

From: Paul McCall
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Is there an email address to email to subscribe?

A new employee did it through the webpage (mailman) and does not receive a 
confirmation email nor any AFMUG emails

Paul

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al...@pdmnet.net

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I see a new subscription or two a week.  Not sure what method people are using.
What was the email?  I can manually put him in.

http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
or
mailto:af-requ...@af.afmug.com 
subject=subscribe<mailto:af-requ...@af.afmug.com%20subject=subscribe>

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 7:55 AM
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Is there an email address to email to subscribe?

A new employee did it through the webpage (mailman) and does not receive a 
confirmation email nor any AFMUG emails

Paul

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