Re: [AFMUG] Headphones and earbuds

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Or compromise and say you are only allowed 1 ear?  I don't know how people
work with earbuds in an environment like that.  I mean a painter, drywaller
that sort of thing they'd just play a radio on construction sites.  I'd
feel unsafe with earbuds in.  How people work with them in make me think
they have a death wish.

On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 5:15 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Hearing protection, or open ears in manufacturing. Even with hearing
> protection, you will hear the odd noise in the hum. noise cancelling is bad
> juju because its only injecting more energy. People who demand shit like
> earbuds also dont comprehend why they can watch cat videos on the machine.
>
> Fuck them all anyway. your house, your rules. you should go find him on
> the street and wait til hes mowing with them on, come up behind him and
> push his ass under the mower, while hes bleeding to death, ask him what he
> might have done different had he heard you coming. Theres no reason not to
> also make this a teachable moment. He may argue about the mower being loud
> and he wouldnt have heard you anyway, so in that case it may just be better
> to wait til hes swinging in a hammock with his ear buds in and shiv him in
> the neck
>
> On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 4:18 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> If you can't hear ambient noise it's an issue.
>>
>> Safety violation.
>>
>> My take:
>>
>> If it's a loud area,  then you need hearing protection.   Note that most
>> earbuds don't isolate that much, as such if you're even moderately close to
>> the osha hearing protection levels then you can exceed them by permitting
>> earbud use.  Hearing outside noise is not nearly as important here as
>> ensuring that you don't exceed dB levels.
>>
>> In quieter areas, then you have the need to hear ambient noise.
>>  Depending on the area and whether you feel that being aware of the
>> direction of the noise is important, having a one earbud policy is often
>> OK.
>>
>> Or you can demand use of something like:
>>
>> https://amp.earplugstore.com/saf-t-ear-bluetooth-dual-safety-earbuds.html
>>
>> From an enforcement perspective,  a no earbud at all policy is easiest.
>>
>> On Fri, May 12, 2023, 1:00 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I warned an employee wearing noise cancelling earphones that they were a
>>> safety hazard yesterday.  Today I noticed he had them on again, I pointed
>>> to his ear.  He went off on me, complaining that everyone else had
>>> earbuds.  I told him that many times I started talking to him and he either
>>> acted like he was not hearing anything or he chose to ignore me.  Yadda y
>>> adda, yadda.  He quit a few minutes later.  Good worker but lousy
>>> attitude.  43 years old and had worked about 20 different places.
>>>
>>> So I adopted an open ears policy.  If I am the asshole, that is fine.  I
>>> am a boomer and proud of it.
>>>
>>> Whadya y’all think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Should Employees Be Allowed to Wear Earbuds?*
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Currently, the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) does
>>> not have guidelines on earbud use in the workplace. However, OSHA has
>>> issued recommendations regarding earbud use while on the job. Of course,
>>> wearing earbuds in some work environments poses more of a threat than in
>>> others.
>>>
>>> Earbud Dangers
>>>
>>> The dangers of wearing earbuds while on the job are similar to
>>> non-employment use of these devices. People wearing earbuds simply cannot
>>> hear emergency signals, but it goes beyond that. Overall, earbuds may pose
>>> a safety hazard because the employee is less cognizant of their
>>> surroundings and is not paying attention to their safety.
>>>
>>> No Earbuds Allowed
>>>
>>> OSHA urges employers to forbidTop of Form
>>>
>>>  Bottom of Form
>>>
>>> the use of earbuds when workers are operating any sort of heavy
>>> equipment. Anyone working on a manufacturing or construction site where
>>> heavy equipment is used should not have earbuds, headphones, or similar
>>> devices on their heads. For example, even if the forklift operator is not
>>> wearing earbuds, a fellow employee in the vicinity using these devices
>>> could end up getting hit if they cannot hear the machine. Along with
>>> earbuds, the same warnings hold true for smartphones.  Manufacturing
>>> machinery such as milling machines emit noises that indicate problem
>>> conditions or unsafe conditions.  Operators of machines need to be able
>>> to hear what is going on with the machine.
>>>
>>> Other Earbud Risks
>>>
>>> In most manufacturing industries, various energy-related hazards exist.
>>> These may include chemical, electrical, or fire hazards. Failure to hear a
>>> warning device due to earbud use not only puts that employee at risk if
>>> they cannot hear warnings from coworkers but may be at risk as earbuds also
>>> affect evacuations or the realization that equipment is not functioning
>>> properly. For 

Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question

[Steven Kenney via AF]

My raspberry pi does it in under an hour.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 1:26 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a
> while.
>
> I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's
> 10-15 though.
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
>> Dennis,
>>
>> Using mikrotik routers.
>>
>> Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9
>>
>> One CCR1072 v6.47.9
>>
>> Yes taking full tables.
>>
>> Tried BFD  while back.  Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it.
>> Never established a session.
>>
>> Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7.  But before
>> I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new
>> CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Communications
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> DB> Really depends on a lot of things.
>>
>> DB> 1.What router are you using?
>> DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams?
>> DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ?
>> DB> 4.  What version of RouterOS are you using?
>>
>> DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is
>> kinda long..
>>
>>
>> DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium
>> ePMP Certified
>> DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
>> DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> DB> Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups:  https://cloud.linktechs.net
>> DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com
>>
>> DB> -Original Message-
>> DB> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka
>> Technologies
>> DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM
>> DB> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question
>>
>> DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC.  We peer with 3 different
>> providers on each circuit.  If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and
>> traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit.
>>
>> DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet
>> while this is happening.  Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up
>> the process?  Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes?
>> Will new faster routers help?  Is it a function of timers?  Keep-Alive is
>> 30s and hold is at 90s.  Should I investigate BFD?
>>
>> DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best
>> conditions?
>>
>> DB> Thanks,
>> DB>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> DB> Myakka Communications
>> DB>
>> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5
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>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Been considering moving to iBGP myself.  We have several hundred routes as
well however there are a couple multi-link hops with multiple backhauls as
failovers and that does cause state changes sometimes, which then sometimes
causes issues with OSPF.  Most towers are fed from fiber though.  The
issues are the bad links as you said.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 2:18 PM castarritt  wrote:

> We are up to over 700 in a single area and it is starting to take more
> than just a few seconds for it to reconverge after a change, thinking it
> might be time to change things.
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 10:17 AM Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
>> We have customers with a bit over 200 in one area.  Really not how many
>> devices you have, it depends on how many state changes you have normally.
>> That network is VERY stable, a lot of fiber, so it works well.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * castarritt
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 13, 2023 9:38 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug
>>
>>
>>
>> How many routes are you running over OSPF?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 9:34 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Try pushing a total of 20+Gbps, and probably more if you combine all the
>> ports.  I'm not talking about running normally. I've run OSPF without an
>> update for up to a year without a crash.   I'm talking when you need to
>> make major changes to the structure of your area, add or remove p2p
>> connections etc.   It tends not to like that at least on RO6 and the 1072.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:00 AM Dennis Burgess 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We have had ospf on routers running 5+ gig of traffic with uptimes of
>> over 200 days without issues. I can name a few customers that had or have
>> those.  Just a FYI.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>
>>
>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>
>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>
>> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups:  https://cloud.linktechs.net
>>
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 12, 2023 1:18 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug
>>
>>
>>
>> OSPF will also kill the system and force a watchdog reboot.  If I remove
>> a a long time link between routers sure enough the router will reboot
>> itself a couple days later.  Anything OSPF when it comes to removing
>> existing rules (if you have enough going on)  it will die.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:05 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Then why did mine have a kernel panic when there is no connection
>> tracking?  Why is it solved with significantly more traffic and only
>> changing the firewall?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 11:46 AM Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>>
>> Its a known hardware issue with connection tracking enabled and hardware
>> offload. It has a hard limit to the number of connections it supports that
>> is pretty low. Its high enough you won't notice till you get significant
>> traffic, but low enough it is a common issue. The fix is to turn off
>> connection tracking I know this isn't the best solution, but its the only
>> one that works. This and the hardware availability of the processor are the
>> reason they are discontinued. The good news is that moving over to the
>> newer generation seems to resolve this, but comes with a handful of version
>> 7 quirks.
>>
>> On 4/11/2023 5:55 PM, Alex Kessler wrote:
>>
>> Been experiencing this bug for years while running NAT and connection
>> tracking.  Rebooting every few months while running v6 latest.  Does v7
>> have any known fixes to resolve these watchdog reboots?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Colin Stanners" < cstanners at gmail.com >
>> To: "af" < af at af.afmug.com >
>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:59:09 AM
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Try pushing a total of 20+Gbps, and probably more if you combine all the
ports.  I'm not talking about running normally. I've run OSPF without an
update for up to a year without a crash.   I'm talking when you need to
make major changes to the structure of your area, add or remove p2p
connections etc.   It tends not to like that at least on RO6 and the 1072.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:00 AM Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> We have had ospf on routers running 5+ gig of traffic with uptimes of over
> 200 days without issues. I can name a few customers that had or have
> those.  Just a FYI.
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups:  https://cloud.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 12, 2023 1:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug
>
>
>
> OSPF will also kill the system and force a watchdog reboot.  If I remove a
> a long time link between routers sure enough the router will reboot itself
> a couple days later.  Anything OSPF when it comes to removing existing
> rules (if you have enough going on)  it will die.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:05 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Then why did mine have a kernel panic when there is no connection
> tracking?  Why is it solved with significantly more traffic and only
> changing the firewall?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 11:46 AM Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>
> Its a known hardware issue with connection tracking enabled and hardware
> offload. It has a hard limit to the number of connections it supports that
> is pretty low. Its high enough you won't notice till you get significant
> traffic, but low enough it is a common issue. The fix is to turn off
> connection tracking I know this isn't the best solution, but its the only
> one that works. This and the hardware availability of the processor are the
> reason they are discontinued. The good news is that moving over to the
> newer generation seems to resolve this, but comes with a handful of version
> 7 quirks.
>
> On 4/11/2023 5:55 PM, Alex Kessler wrote:
>
> Been experiencing this bug for years while running NAT and connection
> tracking.  Rebooting every few months while running v6 latest.  Does v7
> have any known fixes to resolve these watchdog reboots?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
>
> From: "Colin Stanners" < cstanners at gmail.com >
> To: "af" < af at af.afmug.com >
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:59:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations
>
> This last year, I've seen a MikroTik CCR1072 switch from long being
> rock-solid to now having occasional random reboots (from watchdog) or 100%
> CPU usage, which strangles the BGP process. In the latter case,
> tools->profile would show the firewall taking 100% of CPU, even after
> temporarily disabling all firewall filter and NAT rules and connection
> tracking. Not fun.
>
> MT tech support did not seem super helpful or interested, mostly
> recommending to disable watchdog (unacceptable on a production router) or
> to upgrade firmware (without specifying the suspected cause of the problem
> or nature of the fix).
>
> Tried 1 update, that didn't seem to help, have now tried another...
>
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 11:38 PM Steven Kenney < steve at wavedirect.org >
> wrote:
> MIkrotik has been rock solid for me for years. Until this year and the
> 1072's. Random reboots set off by watchdog timer on all of my 1072's. Some
> more than others. Threads in the forum all discuss the same problem
> exactly. Its a connection tracking issue.. however I need connection
> tracking on one particular router. I've adjusted everything I could.
> Firmware and board firmware all up to date etc. Happens randomly with low
> levels of traffic, high levels of traffic, sometimes a couple times a day,
> sometimes weeks. No DDOS evidence at all from upstream routers. Configs
> checked and rechecked by third party experts. I graph everything about the
> Mikrotik and there are no clues or anything abnormal happening before the
> crash. Plenty of memory, disk space, CPU etc. Replaces all the tra

Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug

[Steven Kenney via AF]

OSPF will also kill the system and force a watchdog reboot.  If I remove a
a long time link between routers sure enough the router will reboot itself
a couple days later.  Anything OSPF when it comes to removing existing
rules (if you have enough going on)  it will die.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:05 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Then why did mine have a kernel panic when there is no connection
> tracking?  Why is it solved with significantly more traffic and only
> changing the firewall?
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 11:46 AM Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>
>> Its a known hardware issue with connection tracking enabled and hardware
>> offload. It has a hard limit to the number of connections it supports that
>> is pretty low. Its high enough you won't notice till you get significant
>> traffic, but low enough it is a common issue. The fix is to turn off
>> connection tracking I know this isn't the best solution, but its the only
>> one that works. This and the hardware availability of the processor are the
>> reason they are discontinued. The good news is that moving over to the
>> newer generation seems to resolve this, but comes with a handful of version
>> 7 quirks.
>> On 4/11/2023 5:55 PM, Alex Kessler wrote:
>>
>> Been experiencing this bug for years while running NAT and connection
>> tracking.  Rebooting every few months while running v6 latest.  Does v7
>> have any known fixes to resolve these watchdog reboots?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Colin Stanners" < cstanners at gmail.com >
>> To: "af" < af at af.afmug.com >
>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:59:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations
>>
>> This last year, I've seen a MikroTik CCR1072 switch from long being
>> rock-solid to now having occasional random reboots (from watchdog) or 100%
>> CPU usage, which strangles the BGP process. In the latter case,
>> tools->profile would show the firewall taking 100% of CPU, even after
>> temporarily disabling all firewall filter and NAT rules and connection
>> tracking. Not fun.
>>
>> MT tech support did not seem super helpful or interested, mostly
>> recommending to disable watchdog (unacceptable on a production router) or
>> to upgrade firmware (without specifying the suspected cause of the problem
>> or nature of the fix).
>>
>> Tried 1 update, that didn't seem to help, have now tried another...
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 11:38 PM Steven Kenney < steve at wavedirect.org >
>> wrote:
>> MIkrotik has been rock solid for me for years. Until this year and the
>> 1072's. Random reboots set off by watchdog timer on all of my 1072's. Some
>> more than others. Threads in the forum all discuss the same problem
>> exactly. Its a connection tracking issue.. however I need connection
>> tracking on one particular router. I've adjusted everything I could.
>> Firmware and board firmware all up to date etc. Happens randomly with low
>> levels of traffic, high levels of traffic, sometimes a couple times a day,
>> sometimes weeks. No DDOS evidence at all from upstream routers. Configs
>> checked and rechecked by third party experts. I graph everything about the
>> Mikrotik and there are no clues or anything abnormal happening before the
>> crash. Plenty of memory, disk space, CPU etc. Replaces all the trannies,
>> power cables and such. Not running BGP only OSPF on the one that is giving
>> me the most trouble.
>>
>> Even have a serial console cable plugged into them to my opengear and set
>> it to log pretty much everything to console including the kernel and
>> nothing. A hard freeze.
>>
>> Then there is Mikrotik support... I've never needed their support before
>> until now. So I put a ticket in and the shitty attitude I'm getting from
>> them seems like they KNOW there is something wrong with the hardware and
>> they are intentionally not being helpful. It is pretty clear to see with
>> all the people reporting this issue that there IS an issue.
>>
>> If this is any indication of how things are going to go with Mikrotik on
>> the newer hardware going forware I think its time to jump to an enterprise
>> level system. Juniper most likely. Shame because they are just about
>> keeping up with the demands with their hardware. Getting closer to 100Gbps
>> etc and ROS7 ... but at their current pace I think we've outgrew them.
>>
>> All the threads discussing this issue has been absolutely quiet when 

Re: [AFMUG] Tik 1072 watchdog reboot bug

[Steven Kenney via AF]

About 10Gbps seems to be the choke point.  Infuriating actually.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:13 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> Its a known hardware issue with connection tracking enabled and hardware
> offload. It has a hard limit to the number of connections it supports that
> is pretty low. Its high enough you won't notice till you get significant
> traffic, but low enough it is a common issue. The fix is to turn off
> connection tracking I know this isn't the best solution, but its the only
> one that works. This and the hardware availability of the processor are the
> reason they are discontinued. The good news is that moving over to the
> newer generation seems to resolve this, but comes with a handful of version
> 7 quirks.
> On 4/11/2023 5:55 PM, Alex Kessler wrote:
>
> Been experiencing this bug for years while running NAT and connection
> tracking.  Rebooting every few months while running v6 latest.  Does v7
> have any known fixes to resolve these watchdog reboots?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
>
> From: "Colin Stanners" < cstanners at gmail.com >
> To: "af" < af at af.afmug.com >
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:59:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 1072 Frustrations
>
> This last year, I've seen a MikroTik CCR1072 switch from long being
> rock-solid to now having occasional random reboots (from watchdog) or 100%
> CPU usage, which strangles the BGP process. In the latter case,
> tools->profile would show the firewall taking 100% of CPU, even after
> temporarily disabling all firewall filter and NAT rules and connection
> tracking. Not fun.
>
> MT tech support did not seem super helpful or interested, mostly
> recommending to disable watchdog (unacceptable on a production router) or
> to upgrade firmware (without specifying the suspected cause of the problem
> or nature of the fix).
>
> Tried 1 update, that didn't seem to help, have now tried another...
>
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020, 11:38 PM Steven Kenney < steve at wavedirect.org >
> wrote:
> MIkrotik has been rock solid for me for years. Until this year and the
> 1072's. Random reboots set off by watchdog timer on all of my 1072's. Some
> more than others. Threads in the forum all discuss the same problem
> exactly. Its a connection tracking issue.. however I need connection
> tracking on one particular router. I've adjusted everything I could.
> Firmware and board firmware all up to date etc. Happens randomly with low
> levels of traffic, high levels of traffic, sometimes a couple times a day,
> sometimes weeks. No DDOS evidence at all from upstream routers. Configs
> checked and rechecked by third party experts. I graph everything about the
> Mikrotik and there are no clues or anything abnormal happening before the
> crash. Plenty of memory, disk space, CPU etc. Replaces all the trannies,
> power cables and such. Not running BGP only OSPF on the one that is giving
> me the most trouble.
>
> Even have a serial console cable plugged into them to my opengear and set
> it to log pretty much everything to console including the kernel and
> nothing. A hard freeze.
>
> Then there is Mikrotik support... I've never needed their support before
> until now. So I put a ticket in and the shitty attitude I'm getting from
> them seems like they KNOW there is something wrong with the hardware and
> they are intentionally not being helpful. It is pretty clear to see with
> all the people reporting this issue that there IS an issue.
>
> If this is any indication of how things are going to go with Mikrotik on
> the newer hardware going forware I think its time to jump to an enterprise
> level system. Juniper most likely. Shame because they are just about
> keeping up with the demands with their hardware. Getting closer to 100Gbps
> etc and ROS7 ... but at their current pace I think we've outgrew them.
>
> All the threads discussing this issue has been absolutely quiet when it
> comes to Mikrotik jumping in to mention or try to help troubleshoot. I
> think they know they had bad hardware out there and do not want to honor
> warranties. I've heard rumors of bad batches of 1072's.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] mail servers

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free though.
Extremely granular configuration options.

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> We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues.  At its peak we had thousandth
> of accounts on it, but now just a handful.
>
> Not free.  And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost effective
> for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email.
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
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> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers
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> We are having trouble with mailcow.  Anything better out there.  It hangs
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Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Our batteries just overheat and shut down generally if it is a bad
battery.  You'll know if you feel them.  Usually a warning as well on the
panel and GUI.  You sure you matched everything up correctly as far as the
right modules, right batteries? for the right chassis?

Do you have more than 2 batteries already installed?

Are there any XR (extended run units) connected to it or just the main
chassis?

On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 2:49 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have not tried bringing it out of bypass becaue the power modules show
> off.  I figure that's just asking for trouble. When the 2 modules first
> failed, it went into bypass because there was too much load on 1 leg and it
> went to overload.  Once I got the phases balanced It came out of bypass on
> its own with the 1 power module still running.  The original power module
> shut down and it went to bypass when I plugged the first replacement module
> in.
>
> Sounds like it might be a battery problem.  I'm getting replacement
> batteries on order today.
>
> On January 3, 2023 1:39:32 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF 
> wrote:
>>
>> Ahhh  have you tried to bring  it out of bypass?  It’s a bit of a process
>> to do / does risk dropping the load.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:36 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not powered off, but it is in bypass.
>>
>> On January 3, 2023 1:31:09 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ahh is the whole unit powered off?Battery wise,  you need atleast two
>> good packs to get it going,  4x would be best (one level)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:28 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, we've tried multiple combinations of pulling in/out and the silver
>> on/off screw.
>>
>> We are wondering if its a battery problem because if we pull all battery
>> packs out, it goes to 'no power modules detected'.  And when we put the
>> battery packs in, it detects the power modules again and its like the power
>> modules try to start, but the fans cycle on and off.
>>
>> On January 3, 2023 1:16:31 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> (dumb question but sometimes they are the easy fix)  are you doing the 
>> little silver screw to turn them on?  Also reseat them firmly then turn them 
>> on.
>>
>> We had dozens of the 80kw's running here and have been migration the to 
>> monster 500KW setups lately.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:11 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions
>>
>> I have a server room that has a Symmetra PX 20kw that I inherited.  On the 
>> 25th it reported that 2 of the 3 10kw Power modules went bad.  I ordered 2 
>> new 10kw power units, and when i put them in, now all 3 power modules are 
>> report 'Off & OK' with a green check mark.  They battery system is reporting 
>> 'OK' but I'm wondering if the batteries might be causing a problem. Will the 
>> power modules not start if the batteries are bad?  There is about 9kw of 
>> load on the UPS.
>>
>> The battery system says Nominal voltage is 192v, but actual voltage is 154v. 
>>  When we measure each pack it's at 96v.  and 2x96 should be 192, so it must 
>> need a minimum of 2 packs to work.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions

[Steven Kenney via AF]

I was just going to say the same thing.  There is this master bypass toggle
on the main unit you need to use.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 2:37 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> It's not powered off, but it is in bypass.
>
> On January 3, 2023 1:31:09 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF 
> wrote:
>>
>> Ahh is the whole unit powered off?Battery wise,  you need atleast two
>> good packs to get it going,  4x would be best (one level)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:28 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, we've tried multiple combinations of pulling in/out and the silver
>> on/off screw.
>>
>> We are wondering if its a battery problem because if we pull all battery
>> packs out, it goes to 'no power modules detected'.  And when we put the
>> battery packs in, it detects the power modules again and its like the power
>> modules try to start, but the fans cycle on and off.
>>
>> On January 3, 2023 1:16:31 PM CST, Daniel Pautz via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> (dumb question but sometimes they are the easy fix)  are you doing the 
>> little silver screw to turn them on?  Also reseat them firmly then turn them 
>> on.
>>
>> We had dozens of the 80kw's running here and have been migration the to 
>> monster 500KW setups lately.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2023 12:11 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Symmetra UPS Questions
>>
>> I have a server room that has a Symmetra PX 20kw that I inherited.  On the 
>> 25th it reported that 2 of the 3 10kw Power modules went bad.  I ordered 2 
>> new 10kw power units, and when i put them in, now all 3 power modules are 
>> report 'Off & OK' with a green check mark.  They battery system is reporting 
>> 'OK' but I'm wondering if the batteries might be causing a problem. Will the 
>> power modules not start if the batteries are bad?  There is about 9kw of 
>> load on the UPS.
>>
>> The battery system says Nominal voltage is 192v, but actual voltage is 154v. 
>>  When we measure each pack it's at 96v.  and 2x96 should be 192, so it must 
>> need a minimum of 2 packs to work.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Windows file share monitoring

[Steven Kenney via AF]

I love my Synology.  Logs everything,  easy to use.   Had worker saying
files are deleting on their own etc,  I check logs and see its their own
user deleting it.  Long story short it keeps all the transactions logged
both CIFS/NFS ... practically everything in a neat tidy web gui.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Welcome to Windows where it's either 1 row with no information or
> 10 rows that aren't very user friendly :)
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 1:26 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> yeah, Im doing that, but its dirty business, a 10 minute log is hundreds
>> of events
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 8:46 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's going to be Event Viewer then...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.lepide.com/how-to/track-who-read-files-on-your-windows-file-servers.html#:~:text=To%20see%20who%20reads%20the,and%204663%20will%20be%20logged
>>> .
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 10:39 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 im needing to log it over time and i dont know if it shows on
 direct mapped

 On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 3:48 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> If you want to look at it live, there's sessions/files here...
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 11:29 AM Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I used that a long time ago, its a mess and log files are massive.
>>
>> one of the problems is some of the client mappings were created with
>> administrative credentials and not through shared folders so instead of
>> \\HOST\SHARENAME they were \\HOST\C$\FOLDER and mapped with admin
>> credentials. Its a mess I want to clean up.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 10:08 AM Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1.
>>>
>>> If it's not logged, there is probably a way to turn it on.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 12/13/2022 10:49 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I would think the Windows event log would have it…..but I haven’t
>>> checked.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF   *On
>>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 13, 2022 6:17 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Windows file share monitoring
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any of you degenerate nerds know if theres an app that will log a
>>> windows file server access.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are migrating an office that over the years has had a bunch of
>>> client mapped shares created. I'd like to log the machines that are
>>> accessing the folders and which folder is they're accessing as we 
>>> migrate
>>> the data to the new host and get this cleaned back up to gpo driven 
>>> drive
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[AFMUG] ETI Software?

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Any WISPS out there using them?  I had never heard of them before.  I
haven't been to a wispapalooza in quite a few years.  Are they represented
there?

https://etisoftware.com/

Seeing their main support is for docsys/dsl/fiber networks and support
tr069 but not seeing much support for Mikrotik, DPI or traffic shaping on
the network side or any integration with Ubiquiti/Cambium etc.  Curious to
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Re: [AFMUG] VMware question

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Always funny seeing others dealing with Vmware with buyers remorse.  I was
in your spot.  I HATE Vmware on their business and licensing side.  It is
why I dumped them.  They made things so complicated and absurd they screwed
themselves out of the continuation of our support and service contract.
Nothing but headaches, overpayment and lack of flexibility.  They screw the
little guys full bore.

I went through this - You need to swap to Vmware "standard" (at minimum)
licenses and ante up much more to separate into vcenter and individual
licenses and add them as you add servers.  Per processor etc price will go
up.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> I bought vSphere 7 essentials a few months ago.  Have it all setup.  Have
> 3 host licensed.
>
> I just spun up a 4th host.  I can not figure out how to get a license for
> a single host to add to vCenter.  All I keep finding is the bundles.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] TR-069

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Thanks yes, I've got GenieACS installed but it is a steep learning curve.
Very time consuming to get going and it's documentation is abysmal.  I'm
going to get a demo of that software but I understand why now their website
is absent of any screen shots etc.  Its UI is probably not too good.   But
I'm going to look anyway.  Thanks for the recommendation.



On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:58 AM D. Bernardi 
wrote:

>
>
> Calix doesn't really fit our business model. We
> have them through acquisitions only and phase them out where possible.
>
> Friendly's cost has many different components. We
> are under NDA but a one-time cost, including
> professional services and set up licensed for 40k
> devices was about what others charge per device per month, or a cup of
> coffee.
>
> Server is nothing special.
> Processor: 8 Cores
> Memory: 64 GB RAM minimum
> Storage: Local 1000 GB or more in RAID1 SSD Drives with latency < 1ms
> Network: Interface Gigabit Ethernet NICs
> Operating: System Windows Server 2016 (64-bit) or higher
>
> Yes, unfortunately the portal component is still
> Windows for now but you can separate out the
> other functions (database and engine) onto
> Linux.  We decided to keep in all on one platform for now.
>
> Add in yearly maintenance and it's still
> significantly more cost effective than all others
> we evaluated, or every vendors' own proprietary solution.
>
>
> Another alternative is to roll your
> own.  GenieACS is what I originally used, and
> still do for a small deployment (change default
> passwords and set the SSID/passphrase for a small
> standalone managed WiFi service on ~20
> ONTs).  The person that wrote it is/was for hire
> as well.  For simple provisioning, it's probably all you would ever need.
>
>
> Oh, I forgot to mention TR-069 is a pig (can be
> lots of traffic/packets if you use the entire
> paramter tree and at frequent intervals) but
> TR-369 is gaining momentum.  Friendly supports it
> (I belive GenieACS does as well) but CPE vendors need to get on the ball.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> At 09:41 AM 9/12/2022, Steven Kenney wrote:
> >Calix cloud actually auto-manages wifi freqs and
> >such.  Did you ever try that?  Reason is that
> >they are not supporting some of our combo
> >gateways so if they don't, as well as not
> >supporting Mikrotik either it may be time to
> >jump ship and find something more affordable and
> >with the ability to handle a wider variety of
> >products.  Their cloud does work pretty good
> >though, but no on PREM.  I like you prefer all
> >things to be on prem.  Any estimate on what you
> >paid for the server? You can hit me off
> >list.  Just curious to see how much per 1k customers etc.Â
> >
> >On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 9:38 AM D. Bernardi
> ><<mailto:dberna...@zitomedia.net>dberna...@zitomedia.net> wrote:
> >
> >Pricing was pretty flexible.  I think cloud is
> >recurring per device and on-prem is one-time
> >(based on a block of devices) and then a yearly
> >maintenance fee.  Far less than other products.
> >
> >They also have some additional modules, like QoE
> >that we are looking at to keep WiFi statistics
> >over time.  We also haven't started using WiFi
> >optimization yet but the goal is to scan in home
> >WiFi networks and make adjustments, similar to
> >Plume.  The other thing we expect to start using
> >is automating the required FCC speedtests.
> >
> >
> >At 09:20 AM 9/12/2022, Steven Kenney wrote:
> > >Also thanks, that is one service I hadn't seen
> > >yet.   Are they price per sub or yearly etc?
> > >
> > >On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 9:09 AM D. Bernardi
> > ><<mailto:dberna...@zitomedia.net>dberna...@zitomedia.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >DOCSIS cable modems cannot be managed with TR-069
> > >per the Cable Labs specifications.  However
> > >embedded router (e-router) can as well as e-MTA.
> > >
> > >I'm using Friendly Technologies (on-premise, not
> > >cloud) but mainly for collecting WiFi statistics
> > >and troubleshooting (including Calix ONTs), not
> > >provisioning.  They have a cloud-based demo
> > >platform that you can point your device to for testing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 08:42 AM 9/12/2022, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
> > > >Anyone use it?  We used it for our fiberr
> > > >deployment but most of it is already
> > > >managed.  But we will be adding a new liine of
> > > >Docsys gateways out there we want to c

Re: [AFMUG] TR-069

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Calix cloud actually auto-manages wifi freqs and such.  Did you ever try
that?  Reason is that they are not supporting some of our combo gateways so
if they don't, as well as not supporting Mikrotik either it may be time to
jump ship and find something more affordable and with the ability to handle
a wider variety of products.  Their cloud does work pretty good though, but
no on PREM.  I like you prefer all things to be on prem.  Any estimate on
what you paid for the server? You can hit me off list.  Just curious to see
how much per 1k customers etc.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 9:38 AM D. Bernardi  wrote:

>
> Pricing was pretty flexible.  I think cloud is
> recurring per device and on-prem is one-time
> (based on a block of devices) and then a yearly
> maintenance fee.  Far less than other products.
>
> They also have some additional modules, like QoE
> that we are looking at to keep WiFi statistics
> over time.  We also haven't started using WiFi
> optimization yet but the goal is to scan in home
> WiFi networks and make adjustments, similar to
> Plume.  The other thing we expect to start using
> is automating the required FCC speedtests.
>
>
> At 09:20 AM 9/12/2022, Steven Kenney wrote:
> >Also thanks, that is one service I hadn't seen
> >yet.   Are they price per sub or yearly etc?
> >
> >On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 9:09 AM D. Bernardi
> ><<mailto:dberna...@zitomedia.net>dberna...@zitomedia.net> wrote:
> >
> >DOCSIS cable modems cannot be managed with TR-069
> >per the Cable Labs specifications.  However
> >embedded router (e-router) can as well as e-MTA.
> >
> >I'm using Friendly Technologies (on-premise, not
> >cloud) but mainly for collecting WiFi statistics
> >and troubleshooting (including Calix ONTs), not
> >provisioning.  They have a cloud-based demo
> >platform that you can point your device to for testing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 08:42 AM 9/12/2022, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
> > >Anyone use it?  We used it for our fiber
> > >deployment but most of it is already
> > >managed.  But we will be adding a new line of
> > >Docsys gateways out there we want to control and
> > >will not integrate with Calix's servers.  They
> > >won't support them either as it is only in their
> > >best interests to support their own
> > >devices..  There are a couple open sourced ACS
> > >servers out there but nothing that seems user
> > >friendly enough for our staff to use.Â
> > >
> > >Anyone recommend any software, that is
> > >reasonable and easy to use? Online services etc?
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Re: [AFMUG] TR-069

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Also thanks, that is one service I hadn't seen yet.   Are they price per
sub or yearly etc?

On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 9:09 AM D. Bernardi  wrote:

>
> DOCSIS cable modems cannot be managed with TR-069
> per the Cable Labs specifications.  However
> embedded router (e-router) can as well as e-MTA.
>
> I'm using Friendly Technologies (on-premise, not
> cloud) but mainly for collecting WiFi statistics
> and troubleshooting (including Calix ONTs), not
> provisioning.  They have a cloud-based demo
> platform that you can point your device to for testing.
>
>
>
>
> At 08:42 AM 9/12/2022, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
> >Anyone use it?  We used it for our fiber
> >deployment but most of it is already
> >managed.  But we will be adding a new line of
> >Docsys gateways out there we want to control and
> >will not integrate with Calix's servers.  They
> >won't support them either as it is only in their
> >best interests to support their own
> >devices..  There are a couple open sourced ACS
> >servers out there but nothing that seems user
> >friendly enough for our staff to use.Â
> >
> >Anyone recommend any software, that is
> >reasonable and easy to use? Online services etc?
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Re: [AFMUG] TR-069

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Right its a combo gateway.  Mainly talking the route side of things.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 9:09 AM D. Bernardi  wrote:

>
> DOCSIS cable modems cannot be managed with TR-069
> per the Cable Labs specifications.  However
> embedded router (e-router) can as well as e-MTA.
>
> I'm using Friendly Technologies (on-premise, not
> cloud) but mainly for collecting WiFi statistics
> and troubleshooting (including Calix ONTs), not
> provisioning.  They have a cloud-based demo
> platform that you can point your device to for testing.
>
>
>
>
> At 08:42 AM 9/12/2022, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
> >Anyone use it?  We used it for our fiber
> >deployment but most of it is already
> >managed.  But we will be adding a new line of
> >Docsys gateways out there we want to control and
> >will not integrate with Calix's servers.  They
> >won't support them either as it is only in their
> >best interests to support their own
> >devices..  There are a couple open sourced ACS
> >servers out there but nothing that seems user
> >friendly enough for our staff to use.Â
> >
> >Anyone recommend any software, that is
> >reasonable and easy to use? Online services etc?
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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[AFMUG] TR-069

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Anyone use it?  We used it for our fiber deployment but most of it is
already managed.  But we will be adding a new line of Docsys gateways out
there we want to control and will not integrate with Calix's servers.  They
won't support them either as it is only in their best interests to support
their own devices..  There are a couple open sourced ACS servers out there
but nothing that seems user friendly enough for our staff to use.

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Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

[Steven Kenney via AF]

We power our entire plaza on it.  So it was well worth the investment.  Our
business always continues to operate.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 2:47 PM Daniel Pautz via AF  wrote:

> At 30k you are getting into the big boy stuff.   I want to say our most
> recent 500KW cummins purchase (only a few years old) was in the 50k
> range.   Smaller units are a good bit cheaper.  These are higher end units
> that are tanks.  Easy to set up remote start with a decent ATS (also
> cheap)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2022 6:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators
>
>
>
> We bought a used Kohler from a farmer in Alberta had it shipped to us for
> under $30k.  Worked perfectly with a little maintenance.   Even ran a full
> work day on it when our power company was replacing a pole.  But I didn't
> want to rely on it so I made a sub panel for our NOC with a manual override
> and a massive 50 amp cable that is like 50ft.  "Just in case" both power
> and generator failed.
>
>
>
> That "just in case" happened.  We were hit by lightning couple weeks ago
> and the panel blew including access to the generator.  So we were on
> battery at 4am with 2-3hours runtime.  We pull about 30-40 amps.  So our
> guys ran the 50 amp plug to a mobile generator, did the manual override and
> we were safe with 1 hour left to go.  We have a mobile air conditioning
> unit with a long pipe to vent outside.
>
>
>
> So moral of the story.  Don't have just 1 backup.  In my case I had 4
> layers of backup for worst case scenarios.  That scenario happened! I'm
> glad I planned for this because we got hit the Friday before my vacation!
> So nobody was down (except people on our tower) and I was able to go and
> enjoy my vacation.
>
>
>
> Can't stress enough to have multiple options!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 12:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Well, larger wires need larger conduit.  They all work the same but the
> control wires are all different so you cannot use the old switch for the
> new generator... almost guaranteed.  The amperage will almost certainly be
> too small etc.  I am always astounded at how large the enclosures are for
> these things.  Upgrading to a larger generator will likely require twice
> the wall space for the transfer switch.  I think I would shop based on what
> the transfer switch looked like and if you can fit it somewhere on the
> wall.
>
>
>
> Nothing wrong with Generac.  I have used their larger units without issue
> other than in the past their built in starter motor battery charger would
> fail and it would not be known until you actually needed it.  I outfitted
> all the sites with telemetry and we watched that voltage carefully.
> Especially after they exercise each week or month.  We also resorted to
> installing the starting batteries inside the climate controlled area and
> adding a high quality battery maintainer to them.  That battery is the
> weakest link in the whole system.
>
>
>
> Not sure what your climate is, but the colder areas need engine heaters.
> That is important.  And larger is almost always better for longevity.  I
> once installed a unit that was fine for the load, but we had those external
> wall mount AC units and after a power outage, especially a short one, the
> generator could not start both ACs at the same time.  Had to put a device
> on that would only allow one AC to run under generator power.
>
>
>
> I always required the techs to check the hour meter each time they went to
> the site.  Our call center kept logs of generator hours and notified techs
> if they discovered an hour meter was not advancing (from the exercise
> cycles).
>
>
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 27, 2022 8:45 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators
>
>
>
> Our main datacenter has for years had a single 11kw residential style
> generac. Due to increasing power load and improving redundancy I want to
> upgrade to dual larger generators.
>
>
>
> Trying to decide between new 22kw air cooled residential units or used
> larger liquid cooled commercial style units. Maybe one of each. Building
> has 200A single phase service so ~50kw is the max that would make sense.
>
>
>
> I am leaning towards used commercial style units but not sure how the
> controls/ATS work, and if there is a concern of being able to fish the
> correct transfer switch for an older generator, or if they are fairly
> universal. Have only installed whole kits 

Re: [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators

[Steven Kenney via AF]

We bought a used Kohler from a farmer in Alberta had it shipped to us for
under $30k.  Worked perfectly with a little maintenance.   Even ran a full
work day on it when our power company was replacing a pole.  But I didn't
want to rely on it so I made a sub panel for our NOC with a manual override
and a massive 50 amp cable that is like 50ft.  "Just in case" both power
and generator failed.

That "just in case" happened.  We were hit by lightning couple weeks ago
and the panel blew including access to the generator.  So we were on
battery at 4am with 2-3hours runtime.  We pull about 30-40 amps.  So our
guys ran the 50 amp plug to a mobile generator, did the manual override and
we were safe with 1 hour left to go.  We have a mobile air conditioning
unit with a long pipe to vent outside.

So moral of the story.  Don't have just 1 backup.  In my case I had 4
layers of backup for worst case scenarios.  That scenario happened! I'm
glad I planned for this because we got hit the Friday before my vacation!
So nobody was down (except people on our tower) and I was able to go and
enjoy my vacation.

Can't stress enough to have multiple options!


On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 12:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Well, larger wires need larger conduit.  They all work the same but the
> control wires are all different so you cannot use the old switch for the
> new generator... almost guaranteed.  The amperage will almost certainly be
> too small etc.  I am always astounded at how large the enclosures are for
> these things.  Upgrading to a larger generator will likely require twice
> the wall space for the transfer switch.  I think I would shop based on what
> the transfer switch looked like and if you can fit it somewhere on the
> wall.
>
> Nothing wrong with Generac.  I have used their larger units without issue
> other than in the past their built in starter motor battery charger would
> fail and it would not be known until you actually needed it.  I outfitted
> all the sites with telemetry and we watched that voltage carefully.
> Especially after they exercise each week or month.  We also resorted to
> installing the starting batteries inside the climate controlled area and
> adding a high quality battery maintainer to them.  That battery is the
> weakest link in the whole system.
>
> Not sure what your climate is, but the colder areas need engine heaters.
> That is important.  And larger is almost always better for longevity.  I
> once installed a unit that was fine for the load, but we had those external
> wall mount AC units and after a power outage, especially a short one, the
> generator could not start both ACs at the same time.  Had to put a device
> on that would only allow one AC to run under generator power.
>
> I always required the techs to check the hour meter each time they went to
> the site.  Our call center kept logs of generator hours and notified techs
> if they discovered an hour meter was not advancing (from the exercise
> cycles).
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 27, 2022 8:45 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Larger Standby Generators
>
> Our main datacenter has for years had a single 11kw residential style
> generac. Due to increasing power load and improving redundancy I want to
> upgrade to dual larger generators.
>
> Trying to decide between new 22kw air cooled residential units or used
> larger liquid cooled commercial style units. Maybe one of each. Building
> has 200A single phase service so ~50kw is the max that would make sense.
>
> I am leaning towards used commercial style units but not sure how the
> controls/ATS work, and if there is a concern of being able to fish the
> correct transfer switch for an older generator, or if they are fairly
> universal. Have only installed whole kits from generac before.
>
> Thanks for any input.
> Chris
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Steven Kenney via AF]

I've been blocking them out of our phone system, email system ..
everything.  For the past 10 years they've harassed me and I've asked to be
taken off their lists numerous times.  They are breaking the law without a
doubt.  Bastards even tried using a personal number to try and get
through.

Bordering on stalking.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 1:29 PM Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> So we just got a email from cogent, we have told them time and time again
> to stop calling and stop emailing.  We tell them are good on bandwidth and
> we don’t need any of their services.. They then sent us a e-mail stating
> that they saw us coming though one of their customers networks from Link
> Technologies, Inc, and figured we would want to buy direct instead of going
> though one of their customers. Yes COGENT stated this; well at least one of
> their sales reps.  Sounds underhanded, shady, and unethical to me.Just
> figured I would post about it; see if I am making a mountain out of a mole
> hill 
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] russian spam

[Steven Kenney via AF]

It isn't better than my stick though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xl0Qr0uXuY

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 10:41 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> bacon is a life staple. bacon, air, water, in that order
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 4:07 PM Richard Harnish 
> wrote:
>
>> Is no one eating BACON anymore!
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick Harnish*
>>
>> *Director of Development*
>>
>> *855.NXT.LINK (855.698.5465) | M 260.307.4000*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2022 12:01 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] russian spam
>>
>>
>>
>> They are used to it, politicians feed their base a constant stream of
>> s**t all the time.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2022 9:53 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] russian spam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At least half the voting population would say that's some really good
>> s**t!
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 6/30/2022 8:36 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
>>
>> If they were fed US political enemies the bacon would just taste like
>> crap :-D
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2022 5:02 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] russian spam
>>
>>
>>
>> The pigs were fed the bodies of political enemies.  So the taste is a bit
>> bitter.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* James Howard
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2022 2:33 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] russian spam
>>
>>
>>
>> Is Bolshevik spam as good as Imperialist pig spam?   (sorry, just
>> finished listening to The Hunt for Red October audiobook again)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2022 2:35 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] russian spam
>>
>>
>>
>> Sure getting lots of russian spam today.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Keto

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Sometimes you feel like a nut...

Sometimes you don't.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 12:28 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Me too, love brazil and a few hazelnuts too.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2022 10:12 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Keto
>
>
> My favorite snack is mixed nuts. I generally get the deluxe mixed nuts
> from Costco, but I also make a 50:50 mix of cahews and almonds.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 7/25/2022 7:54 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> I agree, it is hard to find snacks.
> Going to try some keto no bake cookies today hopefully.  Shredded cocoanut
> and peanut butter I think (with flavorings).
> Beer is no problem as I am behaving myself these days as a Mormon boy.
> Yes, would love popcorn but there are lots of flavored pork rinds
> now-a-days that are very good.  They give you the crunch and good flavor.
> Pizza, I just eat the toppings off with a fork.
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2022 7:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Keto
>
> Just removing the chips / popcorn is what kills me.  I can cut out the
> bread and sugar.  There is low carb beer,  keto wraps and bread out there
> etc.
>
> Just hard to give up things like pizza ... sigh
>
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 12:18 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Such a pain in the butt to get started but once moving it sure cuts the
>> damn sugar cravings.   I find the outside family members keep killing it
>> for me,  get a few weeks then bday,  or some family member comes over and
>> has some crazy awesome looking carb filled dinner that I can’t resist.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another thing if you can get your DR to prescribe Ozampic, Trulicity or
>> the other new one,  those do wonders to a1c and if worked right you can get
>> them without being diabetic.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:16 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Keto
>>
>>
>>
>> Had to get back on keto hard as I had been slipping/being weak willed and
>> my A1C got up in the 7s again.  I know how to get it back into the 5s.  It
>> is very easy.  Just will take some time.  This time around I am doing
>> almost a carnivore version of keto. ( I don’t really like meat.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Unexpected and nice result is that my BP is lower than when I was in my
>> 20s.  Hope it stays that way, will really help out the next time I have to
>> get my DOT or airmans medical.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Keto

[Steven Kenney via AF]

NO flavored pork rinds here!  My problem is when I went keto before it
raised my blood pressure through the roof, for some reason.  But keto you
don't intake as much salt so my sodium was low.  So I had to increase salt
which made blood pressure higher.  Some reason my kidneys don't like keto.

So its a catch 22 for me.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 10:56 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> I agree, it is hard to find snacks.
> Going to try some keto no bake cookies today hopefully.  Shredded cocoanut
> and peanut butter I think (with flavorings).
> Beer is no problem as I am behaving myself these days as a Mormon boy.
> Yes, would love popcorn but there are lots of flavored pork rinds
> now-a-days that are very good.  They give you the crunch and good flavor.
> Pizza, I just eat the toppings off with a fork.
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2022 7:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Keto
>
> Just removing the chips / popcorn is what kills me.  I can cut out the
> bread and sugar.  There is low carb beer,  keto wraps and bread out there
> etc.
>
> Just hard to give up things like pizza ... sigh
>
> On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 12:18 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Such a pain in the butt to get started but once moving it sure cuts the
>> damn sugar cravings.   I find the outside family members keep killing it
>> for me,  get a few weeks then bday,  or some family member comes over and
>> has some crazy awesome looking carb filled dinner that I can’t resist.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another thing if you can get your DR to prescribe Ozampic, Trulicity or
>> the other new one,  those do wonders to a1c and if worked right you can get
>> them without being diabetic.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:16 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Keto
>>
>>
>>
>> Had to get back on keto hard as I had been slipping/being weak willed and
>> my A1C got up in the 7s again.  I know how to get it back into the 5s.  It
>> is very easy.  Just will take some time.  This time around I am doing
>> almost a carnivore version of keto. ( I don’t really like meat.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Unexpected and nice result is that my BP is lower than when I was in my
>> 20s.  Hope it stays that way, will really help out the next time I have to
>> get my DOT or airmans medical.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Keto

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Just removing the chips / popcorn is what kills me.  I can cut out the
bread and sugar.  There is low carb beer,  keto wraps and bread out there
etc.

Just hard to give up things like pizza ... sigh

On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 12:18 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
wrote:

> Such a pain in the butt to get started but once moving it sure cuts the
> damn sugar cravings.   I find the outside family members keep killing it
> for me,  get a few weeks then bday,  or some family member comes over and
> has some crazy awesome looking carb filled dinner that I can’t resist.
>
>
>
> Another thing if you can get your DR to prescribe Ozampic, Trulicity or
> the other new one,  those do wonders to a1c and if worked right you can get
> them without being diabetic.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:16 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Keto
>
>
>
> Had to get back on keto hard as I had been slipping/being weak willed and
> my A1C got up in the 7s again.  I know how to get it back into the 5s.  It
> is very easy.  Just will take some time.  This time around I am doing
> almost a carnivore version of keto. ( I don’t really like meat.)
>
>
>
> Unexpected and nice result is that my BP is lower than when I was in my
> 20s.  Hope it stays that way, will really help out the next time I have to
> get my DOT or airmans medical.
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Re: [AFMUG] IP Geolocation update

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Contact a website called Maxmind.  You can get them to update their
databases and a lot of 3rd parties use their lists.  It'll propagate.

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 10:11 AM  wrote:

> Is there any fast/easy way to update all the geolocation services?
>
>
>
> I just got a new IP block and I’m getting conflicting results.  The same
> IP is said to be in Manhattan, Cleveland, Dallas, DC, and Salt Lake
> depending which geolocation service you check.  It’s bizarre.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chemistry

[Steven Kenney via AF]

I like to hear chemistry puns, periodically.

On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 10:22 AM Chuck Macenski  wrote:

> While I would like to say I remember this from Chemistry class, I believe
> my first memory of this is from an episode of Breaking Bad.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 3:27 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> *Cis* and *trans* isomers  occur
>> both in organic molecules and in inorganic coordination complexes. *Cis*
>> and *trans* descriptors
>>  are not used for
>> cases of conformational isomerism
>>  where the two
>> geometric forms easily interconvert, such as most open-chain single-bonded
>> structures; instead, the terms "*syn*" and "*anti*" are used.
>>
>> I am a conformational isomer.
>> You may call my syn or sir.
>> I call my dad’s sister anti.
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Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Small town local theatres are something I would support.  But I at this
point don't want to give a single penny to Hollywood, Disney or any of
those other studios that have lost touch with reality.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 9:32 PM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> I'm biased because I bought a single screen theater in my hometown right
> before lockdowns in March 2020.
>
> I offered half the listing price because of covid coming and the sellers
> accepted. We've been open since Godzilla in March 2021 and things have been
> doing better.
>
> I can say with certainty that my $50k projector and sound system blows any
> of your home theaters out of the water haha!
>
> That said, I prefer to watch new releases alone on days we're closed or
> after the public shows because people are generally annoying. Getting up to
> use the bathroom, dropping things on the wood floor, talking, etc. All the
> things you all hate, I hate too. But we keep a clean theater, have the best
> popcorn I've ever tasted, we're friendly, and I'm renovating things slowly
> over 2-3 years to repair and upgrade this 1937 theater.
>
> We just added a small 2nd screen upstairs so we can show more than one
> movie at a time. 4k laser projector is coming next year with heated
> recliners too.
>
> The movie industry is not dead and continues to be resilient coming out of
> covid. The downside to this industry is we rely on good movies being
> released. If the studios release a bunch of duds, theaters don't do well.
> So we're at the mercy of the product that shows on our screens.
>
> Top Gun Maverick is one of my favorite movies now! I've seen it 3 times
> and we're bringing it back for a week again starting July 1 because it did
> so well for us in the first 2 weeks we had it. I'll watch it a 4th time.
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 7:22 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Not quite everything for me. For live events that have CC, the CC is
>> about 10-15 seconds behind the actual dialog, so I turn it off because it
>> becomes distracting.
>>
>> Sometimes when they have CC, there is silence after the person has said
>> something that appears to me to be a complete sentence, yet the CC adds
>> some pithy little thing that (I think) they didn't actually say.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 6/27/2022 4:37 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> I have CC on everything anymore.
>>
>> *From:* Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2022 5:23 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review
>>
>> Closed Captions, so you can understand what is being said, and Being able
>> to pause for snack breaks (or rebooting the laundry) far outweigh the draw
>> of the big screen for us.
>>
>> Although, When I stream, is it truly using my 9.2 surround?
>>
>> On 6/27/2022 6:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> . And rolling jawbreakers down the isle.
>>
>> Now that's funny
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 6/27/2022 2:17 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> I detest the movie theater. theres always fools with phones on, smacking
>> their lips, talking. God only know what communicable diseases youre
>> catching off the seats. they dont even use real butter anymore.
>>
>> I remember seeing movies like Airplane and whatnot in the theaters and
>> watching people get up and leave at the credits and missing the funny stuff
>> in them. And rolling jawbreakers down the isle.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> I've found for the last 10 years or so that "going to the movies" adds
>>> zero to the quality of my life.
>>>
>>> Am I an outlier?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 6/27/2022 9:53 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>>>
>>> Go see Maverick.  Everything else out there from Hollywood is garbage.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 12:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Elvis
>>>> Meh
>>>> Wait for streaming.
>>>>
>>>> Didn’t like how they did the first half.
>>>> I really thought Elvis ditched Col. Tom Parker before he died, guess
>>>> not.
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Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review

[Steven Kenney via AF]

As kids we did pennies lol

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 7:18 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> . And rolling jawbreakers down the isle.
>
> Now that's funny
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/27/2022 2:17 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I detest the movie theater. theres always fools with phones on, smacking
> their lips, talking. God only know what communicable diseases
> youre catching off the seats. they dont even use real butter anymore.
>
> I remember seeing movies like Airplane and whatnot in the theaters and
> watching people get up and leave at the credits and missing the funny stuff
> in them. And rolling jawbreakers down the isle.
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 12:08 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I've found for the last 10 years or so that "going to the movies" adds
>> zero to the quality of my life.
>>
>> Am I an outlier?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 6/27/2022 9:53 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>>
>> Go see Maverick.  Everything else out there from Hollywood is garbage.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 12:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Elvis
>>> Meh
>>> Wait for streaming.
>>>
>>> Didn’t like how they did the first half.
>>> I really thought Elvis ditched Col. Tom Parker before he died, guess
>>> not.
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Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review

[Steven Kenney via AF]

So where I live the people in the theatres are respectful.  NO gum on
floors.  No talking during show,  no singing or anything like that.

When  I lived in another couple cities that will not be named it was a
whole other story.  People yelling and screaming at the screen dancing,
yelling out disagreement or "Frodo TURN AROUND!!!"

Sigh.  Not worth it,  not worth the money and aggravation you get.

The one good thing is all theatres here now have recliners!

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 3:48 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> That's one thing.
>
> For us going to the movies stopped being an enjoyable experience for a
> number of reasons.  The ads/previews are one thing. I'm good with the
> cartoons, but those have mostly stopped. I do not miss the spent chewing
> gum on the seats,floors, etc. I do not miss thye gad abouts talking &
> singing over the movie, and causing other disruptions like standing up in
> front of other people.
>
> At home, the screen is as big as you need; especially considering that you
> can sit within 10' of it. You can stop the show (or even rewind) any time
> you want for a nature break, or to make popcorn or other snacks. If someone
> wants to re-see a segment because it went by too fast, or it was especially
> amazing, have at it. If you want to pause a show until the next day; no
> problem.
>
> I could go on and on.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/27/2022 12:37 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> We went to Maverick for our first Covid movie experience.   Waiting for
> almost 40 minutes of adverts for the movie to actually start was a huge
> turn off to returning for another theater experience.   Of the 40 minutes
> of ads, only like 15 was previews...
>
>
> On 6/27/22 10:57 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>
> With the large screen TV's and low cost popcorn at home... there is no
> reason to see any movie unless its 3d or something special like Maverick.
> Or you are young and trying to socialise outside the theatre with friends.
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:08 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I've found for the last 10 years or so that "going to the movies" adds
>> zero to the quality of my life.
>>
>> Am I an outlier?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 6/27/2022 9:53 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>>
>> Go see Maverick.  Everything else out there from Hollywood is garbage.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 12:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Elvis
>>> Meh
>>> Wait for streaming.
>>>
>>> Didn’t like how they did the first half.
>>> I really thought Elvis ditched Col. Tom Parker before he died, guess
>>> not.
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Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review

[Steven Kenney via AF]

That is the other reason I don't go anymore.  All these political
statements and commercials have made me never go back to theatres unless it
is a once in a lifetime movie.

I mean the Hollywood propaganda machine (especially in Canada) just churns
out this utter BS every time I go.  Nothing but projection and
pontification.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 3:39 PM Robert  wrote:

> We went to Maverick for our first Covid movie experience.   Waiting for
> almost 40 minutes of adverts for the movie to actually start was a huge
> turn off to returning for another theater experience.   Of the 40 minutes
> of ads, only like 15 was previews...
>
>
> On 6/27/22 10:57 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>
> With the large screen TV's and low cost popcorn at home... there is no
> reason to see any movie unless its 3d or something special like Maverick.
> Or you are young and trying to socialise outside the theatre with friends.
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:08 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I've found for the last 10 years or so that "going to the movies" adds
>> zero to the quality of my life.
>>
>> Am I an outlier?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 6/27/2022 9:53 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>>
>> Go see Maverick.  Everything else out there from Hollywood is garbage.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 12:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Elvis
>>> Meh
>>> Wait for streaming.
>>>
>>> Didn’t like how they did the first half.
>>> I really thought Elvis ditched Col. Tom Parker before he died, guess
>>> not.
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Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review

[Steven Kenney via AF]

With the large screen TV's and low cost popcorn at home... there is no
reason to see any movie unless its 3d or something special like Maverick.
Or you are young and trying to socialise outside the theatre with friends.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 1:08 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I've found for the last 10 years or so that "going to the movies" adds
> zero to the quality of my life.
>
> Am I an outlier?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 6/27/2022 9:53 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>
> Go see Maverick.  Everything else out there from Hollywood is garbage.
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 12:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Elvis
>> Meh
>> Wait for streaming.
>>
>> Didn’t like how they did the first half.
>> I really thought Elvis ditched Col. Tom Parker before he died, guess
>> not.
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Re: [AFMUG] Movie Review

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Go see Maverick.  Everything else out there from Hollywood is garbage.

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 12:05 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Elvis
> Meh
> Wait for streaming.
>
> Didn’t like how they did the first half.
> I really thought Elvis ditched Col. Tom Parker before he died, guess not.
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Re: [AFMUG] Raspberry Pi Shortage

[Steven Kenney via AF]

As long as there are no cherry or blueberry pie shortages I'll be ok.  Also
Key lime Pie... my fav

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 11:40 PM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> I second this these are pretty nice. You can use the RPI locator too
> https://rpilocator.com/?country=US if you can catch it when they drop a
> shipment. I was able to get a couple watching and snagging them soon as
> they are in stock.
>
>
> On 6/21/22 12:34 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> Check out the orange pi zero or orange pi 4. Much cheaper, and similar
> specs. If  you aren't sold on having to use raspian, they might do what you
> need. Have to source from China, but that seems to be the case for most
> things these days.
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 12:09 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Might be better off getting a refurb Chromebook. NewEgg is selling a
>> couple
>> of models for under $60
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 12:26 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Raspberry Pi Shortage
>>
>> Any ideas when the shortages on these will stop? Was wanting to order
>> a few of them for a monitoring project but they're just not available.
>> I do not want to feed scalpers either.
>>
>> I guess this relates to the shortages of many things.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Yes yes... Carbon unit Jason.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 11:44 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> "Bags of mostly water" comes to mind.
>
> Wow, that is a pretty nerdy and obscure reference.
>
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Meathead works in all situations.
>>
>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 1:12 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)
>>
>>
>> There was a brief time in 18th century revolutionary France when terms
>> like “Sir”, and “Madam” were seen as too much like supporting aristocracy
>> and therefore monarchy.  Some people insisted on using the terms “citizen”
>> and “citizeness”.  It didn’t last because it was stupid.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nobody’s going to learn 66 additional personal pronouns.  Some jackasses
>> will say they should be called “Zie” and most people will ignore them.  A
>> few will try to politely do it, and a few smart alecs will tell Zim to Zuck
>> Zieself.
>>
>>
>>
>> ….and then it will fade into a historical curiosity like the titles
>> “citizen” and “citizeness”.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2022 11:05 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT too old - (Soylent Green is People)
>>
>>
>>
>> Got a spam from an HR training company willing to come in and train my
>> staff on the proper usage of the 78 personal pronouns.  Seriously...
>>
>> Gheeze.
>>
>>
>>
>> From now on, I will only answer to “the demigod”.
>>
>>
>>
>> (demi girl was one of the pronouns)
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Raspberry Pi Shortage

[Steven Kenney via AF]

What monitoring project? :)   I've also considered using PI's as relays to
my main server.  Nice way to collect the data inside networks.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 12:27 PM Matt  wrote:

> Any ideas when the shortages on these will stop? Was wanting to order
> a few of them for a monitoring project but they're just not available.
> I do not want to feed scalpers either.
>
> I guess this relates to the shortages of many things.
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Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Thanks.  I didn't even know that model existed!  Pretty cool.  We just need
a small form factor for some of our towers. Pretty sure my guy checked a
few models that were all not in stock.  I'll keep that model in mind though!

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:46 AM Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> Depends on what you need, you may need to modify what you need to what you
> can get   Just a FYI.  We have quite a few people who used to buy 4011s
> now buying 2116s etc, just cause we have stock.  Keep in mind that larger
> is ok, just smaller is not.  
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2022 7:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
> perspective?
>
>
>
> We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But
> thanks for checking in Dennis!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess 
> wrote:
>
> We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is
> stuff in stock.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0=0==-1==1==0=0=0=0=125=2=
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
> *Dennis Burgess*
>
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
> perspective?
>
>
>
> No mikrotiks to be found..
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
> Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.
>
>
>
> There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some UBNT
> stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the most
> popular switches and routers.
>
>
>
> Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and keep
> people moving.
>
>
>
> If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> CTIconnect
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>
>
> On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.
> Like we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of orders
> will come through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected but on
> the short term it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of this
> stuff" to "I hope the orders pick back up since we don't have any more room
> to store stock".   Like I said, we're doing fine on average, it's just that
> I'm curious what is driving this odd ordering pattern
>
>
>
> I have talked to a couple of customers and it seems like this might be a
> side effect of the way WISPs order stuff nowadays, and also shortages from
> other (radio) vendors.   For instance, I would expect that if a WISP can't
> get radios for their towers they also aren't going to be ordering PoE
> injectors for the nonexistent radios.   I also know that a lot of people
> have moved to "order several months at once" instead of "order as you go".
>
>
>
> So I'm curious what everyone is seeing or doing from the WISP viewpoint.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Steven Kenney via AF]

We called - you couldn't get anything until Sept that we needed.  But
thanks for checking in Dennis!

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:13 AM Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> We have CRS 48Ps, a number of 2216s, and a number of products… Here is
> stuff in stock.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.linktechs.net/productcart/pc/showsearchresults.asp?idcategory=0=0==-1==1==0=0=0=0=125=2=
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
> *Dennis Burgess*
>
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>
> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2022 4:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP
> perspective?
>
>
>
> No mikrotiks to be found..
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
> Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.
>
>
>
> There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some UBNT
> stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the most
> popular switches and routers.
>
>
>
> Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and keep
> people moving.
>
>
>
> If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> CTIconnect
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>
>
> On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.
> Like we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of orders
> will come through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected but on
> the short term it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of this
> stuff" to "I hope the orders pick back up since we don't have any more room
> to store stock".   Like I said, we're doing fine on average, it's just that
> I'm curious what is driving this odd ordering pattern
>
>
>
> I have talked to a couple of customers and it seems like this might be a
> side effect of the way WISPs order stuff nowadays, and also shortages from
> other (radio) vendors.   For instance, I would expect that if a WISP can't
> get radios for their towers they also aren't going to be ordering PoE
> injectors for the nonexistent radios.   I also know that a lot of people
> have moved to "order several months at once" instead of "order as you go".
>
>
>
> So I'm curious what everyone is seeing or doing from the WISP viewpoint.
>
>
>
> --
>
> - Forrest
>
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Re: [AFMUG] BBS

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Fidonet was when things started to get interesting!  It was like its own
internet and helped save on the long distance charges.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 7:10 AM Dennis Burgess 
wrote:

> SRE and BRE was the favs around here.  We had tradewars..  Joining fidonet
> was the closest thing to email back then.   I preferred SRE (Solar
> Realms Elite)  .. Article about the author of SRE/BRE..
> http://breakintochat.com/blog/2013/02/18/amit-patel-creator-of-solar-realms-elite/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
> *Dennis Burgess*
>
>
> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>
> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>
> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>
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>
> Need MikroTik Cloud Management: https://cloud.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:27 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BBS
>
>
>
> I heard Steve wants to play Trade Wars.
>
> Is there a telnet BBS around somewhere still?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BBS
>
>
>
> nerds
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:25 AM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Trade Wars, I think that was on multiple platforms then.
>
>
>
> I ran a Macintosh BBS in the late 80’s on “Second Site” software and had
> like all possible software cracked and ready for download on my 100MB SCSI
> hard drive.
>
>
>
> There were a few turn based online games on my system as well, that the
> software “guy” updated every now and then.
>
>
>
> I remember he gave me the pascal code at one point and I did modify some
> stuff.
>
>
>
> Fun times!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2022 8:08 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BBS
>
>
>
> I did Trade Wars too, but my addiction was Barren Realms Elite.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 8:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BBS
>
>
>
>
>
> Legend of the red dragon.  And yes...lots of trade wars
>
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "James Howard" 
> To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
> Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2022 4:37 PM
>
>
>
> Empire seems to ring a bell.  It’s been over 30 years so kind of hazy and
> most of the time spent was the middle of the night.  It’s amazing how much
> less sleep I used to need apparently.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 3:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire"
> I believe
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some
> other multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and
> later Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the
> freeware setup and run bbs’s now via good old telnet J   and yeah  the
> games were a blast,  too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord)
> was huge back then,  or trade wars…
>
>
>
> Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic stuff
> was,   a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files
> online for download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all
> worked.
>
>
>
> Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or
> even Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000
> with 24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the
> sysops for a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game
> was pretty much determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you
> could make the moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel Pautz via AF
> *Sent:* Thursd

Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Steven Kenney via AF]

No mikrotiks to be found..

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 3:36 PM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> Kinda depends on what you are looking for and you timeline.
>
> There’s quite a bit of Cambium in stock in the channel.  Lots of some UBNT
> stock and none of a lot of SKUs.  Tik is mostly backordered on the most
> popular switches and routers.
>
> Some manufacturers like Adtran and Tarana work allocation to try and keep
> people moving.
>
> If you plan ahead, it’s not that bad mostly.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Jun 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Everything is a dumpster fire.  Everything.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.
>>   Like we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of
>> orders will come through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected
>> but on the short term it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of
>> this stuff" to "I hope the orders pick back up since we don't have any more
>> room to store stock".   Like I said, we're doing fine on average, it's just
>> that I'm curious what is driving this odd ordering pattern
>>
>> I have talked to a couple of customers and it seems like this might be a
>> side effect of the way WISPs order stuff nowadays, and also shortages from
>> other (radio) vendors.   For instance, I would expect that if a WISP can't
>> get radios for their towers they also aren't going to be ordering PoE
>> injectors for the nonexistent radios.   I also know that a lot of people
>> have moved to "order several months at once" instead of "order as you go".
>>
>> So I'm curious what everyone is seeing or doing from the WISP viewpoint.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] BBS

[Steven Kenney via AF]

BBS was our social media back in the day.  Especially when we had BBS with
2 lines so we could chat.   Hooked up with a few women actually that way ..
its true

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 11:47 AM James Howard  wrote:

> My kids like those but I think they’re one of the worst candies every made
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2022 1:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BBS
>
>
>
> nerds
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:25 AM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Trade Wars, I think that was on multiple platforms then.
>
>
>
> I ran a Macintosh BBS in the late 80’s on “Second Site” software and had
> like all possible software cracked and ready for download on my 100MB SCSI
> hard drive.
>
>
>
> There were a few turn based online games on my system as well, that the
> software “guy” updated every now and then.
>
>
>
> I remember he gave me the pascal code at one point and I did modify some
> stuff.
>
>
>
> Fun times!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2022 8:08 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BBS
>
>
>
> I did Trade Wars too, but my addiction was Barren Realms Elite.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 8:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BBS
>
>
>
>
>
> Legend of the red dragon.  And yes...lots of trade wars
>
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "James Howard" 
> To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
> Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2022 4:37 PM
>
>
>
> Empire seems to ring a bell.  It’s been over 30 years so kind of hazy and
> most of the time spent was the middle of the night.  It’s amazing how much
> less sleep I used to need apparently.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 3:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire"
> I believe
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some
> other multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and
> later Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the
> freeware setup and run bbs’s now via good old telnet J   and yeah  the
> games were a blast,  too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord)
> was huge back then,  or trade wars…
>
>
>
> Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic stuff
> was,   a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files
> online for download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all
> worked.
>
>
>
> Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or
> even Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000
> with 24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the
> sysops for a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game
> was pretty much determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you
> could make the moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel Pautz via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Daniel Pautz 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of
> my mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap
> did that cursor go across the screen much faster.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model
> T to start it...
>
> Gotta run, late for my job at the b

Re: [AFMUG] BBS

[Steven Kenney via AF]

https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/bbs/software/cnet-pro/


On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 3:27 PM  wrote:

> I heard Steve wants to play Trade Wars.
>
> Is there a telnet BBS around somewhere still?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2022 2:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BBS
>
>
>
> nerds
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:25 AM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Trade Wars, I think that was on multiple platforms then.
>
>
>
> I ran a Macintosh BBS in the late 80’s on “Second Site” software and had
> like all possible software cracked and ready for download on my 100MB SCSI
> hard drive.
>
>
>
> There were a few turn based online games on my system as well, that the
> software “guy” updated every now and then.
>
>
>
> I remember he gave me the pascal code at one point and I did modify some
> stuff.
>
>
>
> Fun times!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2022 8:08 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BBS
>
>
>
> I did Trade Wars too, but my addiction was Barren Realms Elite.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 8:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BBS
>
>
>
>
>
> Legend of the red dragon.  And yes...lots of trade wars
>
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "James Howard" 
> To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
> Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2022 4:37 PM
>
>
>
> Empire seems to ring a bell.  It’s been over 30 years so kind of hazy and
> most of the time spent was the middle of the night.  It’s amazing how much
> less sleep I used to need apparently.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 3:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire"
> I believe
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some
> other multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and
> later Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the
> freeware setup and run bbs’s now via good old telnet J   and yeah  the
> games were a blast,  too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord)
> was huge back then,  or trade wars…
>
>
>
> Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic stuff
> was,   a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files
> online for download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all
> worked.
>
>
>
> Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or
> even Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000
> with 24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the
> sysops for a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game
> was pretty much determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you
> could make the moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel Pautz via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Daniel Pautz 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of
> my mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap
> did that cursor go across the screen much faster.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model
> T to start it...
>
> Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...
>
>
>
> (DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).
>
&

Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Wish I would have kept all of mine including the boxes... another 20 years
and they'll be worth a pretty penny!

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 9:22 PM Rex McGuire  wrote:

> Amiga 2000 like this one. I started on a Sinclair 1000 - VIC 20 - C 64- C
> 128 - Amiga 2000. I still have the C 64, C 128, and Amiga 2000.
> Still have my tape drive, 300 baud modem, and 1200 baud modem. Oh those
> were the days. Or should I say sleepless nights playing Ultima and
> Dungeon Master.
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 4:38 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> Empire seems to ring a bell.  It’s been over 30 years so kind of hazy and
>> most of the time spent was the middle of the night.  It’s amazing how much
>> less sleep I used to need apparently.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 3:11 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>>
>>
>>
>> Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire"
>> I believe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some
>> other multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and
>> later Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the
>> freeware setup and run bbs’s now via good old telnet J   and yeah  the
>> games were a blast,  too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord)
>> was huge back then,  or trade wars…
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic stuff
>> was,   a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files
>> online for download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all
>> worked.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or
>> even Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *James Howard
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>>
>>
>>
>> What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000
>> with 24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the
>> sysops for a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game
>> was pretty much determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you
>> could make the moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel Pautz via AF
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Cc:* Daniel Pautz 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>>
>>
>>
>> M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of
>> my mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>>
>>
>>
>> I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap
>> did that cursor go across the screen much faster.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model
>> T to start it...
>>
>> Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...
>>
>>
>>
>> (DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* James Howard
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>>
>>
>>
>> Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?
>> BMU, LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some
>> brain cells are still working?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used

Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Trade wars yes.. there was a stock market game and a game called "empire" I
believe

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:05 PM Daniel Pautz via AF  wrote:

> Just normal intel machines running Novel netware lite then qemm or some
> other multi tasking dos setup,  the BBS software was simple Wildcat and
> later Syncronet (they actually have a website up where you can get the
> freeware setup and run bbs’s now via good old telnet J   and yeah  the
> games were a blast,  too much time wasted,  leagon of the red dragon (lord)
> was huge back then,  or trade wars…
>
>
>
> Anyone into hardware these days wouldn’t even understand how basic stuff
> was,   a few hundred MB HDD was nearly a grand,  to get lots of files
> online for download cd changers would be used,  pretty cool how it all
> worked.
>
>
>
> Ahh the good old days,  long before kids, house payments,  employees,  or
> even Nagy clients, sub dollar gas, etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 9:42 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000
> with 24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the
> sysops for a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game
> was pretty much determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you
> could make the moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel Pautz via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Daniel Pautz 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of
> my mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap
> did that cursor go across the screen much faster.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model
> T to start it...
>
> Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...
>
>
>
> (DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).
>
>
>
> *From:* James Howard
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?
> BMU, LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some
> brain cells are still working?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to
> connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the
> leases.
>
>
>
> Just curious if it can be done.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> What is this DSL you speak of?
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney via AF
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Anyone use it? Just curious.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[Steven Kenney via AF]

I ran Amiga as well but started on Vic-20.  Then to C=64.   My fav BBS
software was CNET.  Just had a good structure.

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 11:49 AM James Howard  wrote:

> What did you run the BBS on?  Our biggest local BBS ran on an Amiga 2000
> with 24 modems but I don’t remember much else about it.  I was one of the
> sysops for a while………. Best part of it was the games.  The Risk type game
> was pretty much determined by whoever got in first after Midnight (when you
> could make the moves for the day) who knew what they were doing.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel Pautz via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 4:40 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Cc:* Daniel Pautz 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> M I miss my Commodore 64,  or later the multi like BBS running out of
> my mom’s house,  good old US Robotics modems for the win!
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2022 3:06 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap
> did that cursor go across the screen much faster.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model
> T to start it...
>
> Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...
>
>
>
> (DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).
>
>
>
> *From:* James Howard
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?
> BMU, LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some
> brain cells are still working?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to
> connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the
> leases.
>
>
>
> Just curious if it can be done.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> What is this DSL you speak of?
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney via AF
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 AM
>
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>
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Anyone use it? Just curious.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[Steven Kenney via AF]

I still remember upgrading from my 300baud modem to a 1200... holy crap did
that cursor go across the screen much faster.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:41 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> That reminds me, anyone know how to set the spark retard lever on a Model
> T to start it...
> Gotta run, late for my job at the buggy whip factory...
>
> (DSL was pretty cool when it was new, but so was ISDN).
>
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:27 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
> Come on man.  We are confused by one acronym so you throw 3 more at us?
> BMU, LNS, LAC……..   this is Thursday!  Maybe ask again on Monday when some
> brain cells are still working?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to
> connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the
> leases.
>
>
>
> Just curious if it can be done.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> What is this DSL you speak of?
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney via AF
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Anyone use it? Just curious.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

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Ok let me rephrase.  Has anyone used Mikrotik as a BMU as an LNS server to
connect to another provider's LAC server.   With powercode managing the
leases.

Just curious if it can be done.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:38 PM James Howard  wrote:

> I think he meant diesel in a power stroke but we only have a Duramax……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 1:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> What is this DSL you speak of?
>
>
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney via AF
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
>
>
> Anyone use it? Just curious.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

[Steven Kenney via AF]

It's a dying technology that still has some use in some areas :)

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 2:09 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> What is this DSL you speak of?
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 9, 2022 11:51 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?
>
> Anyone use it? Just curious.
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Re: [AFMUG] OOB console access

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Opengear

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:02 AM D. Bernardi  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for cost effective recommendations for out of band serial
> console access (RJ11 RS-232, typically 9600 buad) to various pieces
> of network gear (transport, MPLS/IP, CMTS/OLT). 200+ brick and mortar
> buildings and pole mounted cabinets throughout the country so
> nationwide access required.
>
> This would only be needed when a POP becomes isolated from in-band
> management so bandwidth requirements are minimal as well as data plan
> usage. Maybe pasting a very large config files but no firmware loads
> or WWW access required.
>
> What method do you use across all carriers for on-demand access to
> the remote console servers? Static IP address, VPN, triggered
> call-home, private cloud, etc.?
>
> And is IOT type service (LTE-M) good enough or is standard LTE/4G required.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Dave B.
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[AFMUG] DSL With Powercode?

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Anyone use it? Just curious.

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Re: [AFMUG] Librenms/Packetflux Sitemonitor Base III

[Steven Kenney via AF]

There is a process you can go through and they'll add it.  Its in their
docs.  Then you post it to github I believe.  Best provide the mibs and an
snmpwalk of a device -  specify which things you want to graph and how it
should be categorised.

I used to have my own guy who did all of this for Librenms but good help is
hard to find these days!

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 8:04 PM Ryan McAfee  wrote:

> Anyone know how to get a new device supported in LibreNMS?
> I'm looking at the instructions and getting a bit lost.
>
> The Base II units are good, but the Base III don't really work in Librenms.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [AFMUG] VISP

[Steven Kenney via AF]

I still use Gopher

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 3:14 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Never even tried to find the website... letssee, is altavista still
> working  maybe webcrawler, hate to do archie.
>
>
> *From:* Dennis Burgess
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VISP
>
>
> Fairly certain its on their website ?
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
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>
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>
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>
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:57 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
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>
> What does VISP cost?
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Re: [AFMUG] Maverick

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Once you are up in the air, it is a stable platform for sure.  Also taxiing
and such is just mainly a problem in a simulator because you have no
tactile feedback.  So in the simulator sense you need a lot of control
input at low speeds and no feedback on how to react.  I should probably try
VR.  Maybe a bit better.

Flying all the other platforms (I'm mainly a hog driver) is a piece of cake
though.   Kinda reminds me of driving old classic cars without power
steering and brakes, are a pain to get started and are not as finely tuned
as newer cars when it comes to steering/braking.   Takes a little more
finesse.

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 4:23 PM Robert  wrote:

> Not that I have flown it, but I do internet for the Air Races and have
> sponsored a couple of the Unlimited teams.  I have had a fair amount of
> "hanger talk" about flying the various unlimiteds and stock versions of the
> 51 are highly regarded as good platforms.  They have some areas of the
> envelope that bite hard, but are easy to stay away from with any effort of
> paying attention.  I came so close to getting a ride one year just
> before the crash.
>
> On 5/31/22 1:08 PM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>
> If the P51 is as difficult to master as it is in DCS I gotta give him some
> props (pardon then  pun).   Taildraggers can be a real drag (sorry again)
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:48 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> That is one of two P-51's he owns.  He used to fly the two seater with a
>> instructor all the time to satisfy insurance ( movie, not aviation )
>> requirements, but finally got good/comfortable enough to satisfy the movie
>> insurance companies and have enough "pull" to negotiate through it and (
>> this is second hand ) bought the single seater.   The two seater is still
>> his favorite from what I was also told, as he loves to take his close
>> friends flying.   That a/c has shown up at Reno at least once, but Cruise
>> has not.  There is a good interview with his co star about going flying
>> with him and his mastery comforting her fears.
>>
>>   Apparently his bit of sailing in this film may have given him just
>> enough taste to hook him on that according to some of the crew that was
>> below decks during the sailing scenes, as he asked about doing some more up
>> on SF bay, where he moved from SD after the sailing scenes there were too
>> boring..  A few of the crew are FB friends and were chatting about it when
>> asked.  He is amazing about making _all_ the people involved feel important
>> according the the crew as long as you are being completely professional.
>>
>> On 5/31/22 11:46 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>>
>> I met the actual F14 pilot who was the consultant for the film and flew
>> with Tom Cruise.  We had a LAN Party with a bunch of pilots playing Falcon
>> 4.0 after it was released.  Forget his name but I have pics at home to back
>> it up lol.  We watched Top Gun and he described every scene what they had
>> to do, and how much of it was fake.  He did mention the actors were barfing
>> and couldn't handle it.
>>
>> We had a lot of good laughs like one scene Cruise is on the motorcycle
>> the guy says "he's actually being towed there" and if you look you'll
>> notice yeah you can't see the wheels its just a close shot.
>>
>> Now Tom flies on his own!
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1iZtBM23bY=1s  I wonder if that
>> actually is his P51.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> No model a/c ...   No continuity errors from wings swept to unswept
>>> frame to frame.   Cruise insisted on all the right stuff so there would
>>> never be another movie to compare.   It was great watching the interview
>>> on youtube about the bad guys tasking sats on the life sized model..
>>>
>>> On 5/28/22 8:43 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>> > The flying was better
>>> >
>>> > Jeff Broadwick
>>> > CTIconnect
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>>> >
>>> >> On May 28, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Saw a review in our local rag. Reviewer felt this sequel might be
>>> better than the original.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> bp
>>> >> 
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 5/27/2022 7:36 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>> >>> Loved it!  First time in a movie theater since Covid.  The P51 was
>>> icing on the cake!
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Maverick

[Steven Kenney via AF]

If the P51 is as difficult to master as it is in DCS I gotta give him some
props (pardon then  pun).   Taildraggers can be a real drag (sorry again)

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:48 PM Robert  wrote:

> That is one of two P-51's he owns.  He used to fly the two seater with a
> instructor all the time to satisfy insurance ( movie, not aviation )
> requirements, but finally got good/comfortable enough to satisfy the movie
> insurance companies and have enough "pull" to negotiate through it and (
> this is second hand ) bought the single seater.   The two seater is still
> his favorite from what I was also told, as he loves to take his close
> friends flying.   That a/c has shown up at Reno at least once, but Cruise
> has not.  There is a good interview with his co star about going flying
> with him and his mastery comforting her fears.
>
>   Apparently his bit of sailing in this film may have given him just
> enough taste to hook him on that according to some of the crew that was
> below decks during the sailing scenes, as he asked about doing some more up
> on SF bay, where he moved from SD after the sailing scenes there were too
> boring..  A few of the crew are FB friends and were chatting about it when
> asked.  He is amazing about making _all_ the people involved feel important
> according the the crew as long as you are being completely professional.
>
> On 5/31/22 11:46 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>
> I met the actual F14 pilot who was the consultant for the film and flew
> with Tom Cruise.  We had a LAN Party with a bunch of pilots playing Falcon
> 4.0 after it was released.  Forget his name but I have pics at home to back
> it up lol.  We watched Top Gun and he described every scene what they had
> to do, and how much of it was fake.  He did mention the actors were barfing
> and couldn't handle it.
>
> We had a lot of good laughs like one scene Cruise is on the motorcycle the
> guy says "he's actually being towed there" and if you look you'll notice
> yeah you can't see the wheels its just a close shot.
>
> Now Tom flies on his own!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1iZtBM23bY=1s  I wonder if that
> actually is his P51.
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> No model a/c ...   No continuity errors from wings swept to unswept
>> frame to frame.   Cruise insisted on all the right stuff so there would
>> never be another movie to compare.   It was great watching the interview
>> on youtube about the bad guys tasking sats on the life sized model..
>>
>> On 5/28/22 8:43 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>> > The flying was better
>> >
>> > Jeff Broadwick
>> > CTIconnect
>> > 312-205-2519 Office
>> > 574-220-7826 Cell
>> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>> >
>> >> On May 28, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Saw a review in our local rag. Reviewer felt this sequel might be
>> better than the original.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >>> On 5/27/2022 7:36 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>> >>> Loved it!  First time in a movie theater since Covid.  The P51 was
>> icing on the cake!
>> >>>
>> >>> Jeff Broadwick
>> >>> CTIconnect
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Re: [AFMUG] Maverick

[Steven Kenney via AF]

I met the actual F14 pilot who was the consultant for the film and flew
with Tom Cruise.  We had a LAN Party with a bunch of pilots playing Falcon
4.0 after it was released.  Forget his name but I have pics at home to back
it up lol.  We watched Top Gun and he described every scene what they had
to do, and how much of it was fake.  He did mention the actors were barfing
and couldn't handle it.

We had a lot of good laughs like one scene Cruise is on the motorcycle the
guy says "he's actually being towed there" and if you look you'll notice
yeah you can't see the wheels its just a close shot.

Now Tom flies on his own!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1iZtBM23bY=1s
I wonder if that actually is his P51.



On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Robert  wrote:

> No model a/c ...   No continuity errors from wings swept to unswept
> frame to frame.   Cruise insisted on all the right stuff so there would
> never be another movie to compare.   It was great watching the interview
> on youtube about the bad guys tasking sats on the life sized model..
>
> On 5/28/22 8:43 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > The flying was better
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
> > CTIconnect
> > 312-205-2519 Office
> > 574-220-7826 Cell
> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> >
> >> On May 28, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> Saw a review in our local rag. Reviewer felt this sequel might be
> better than the original.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >>> On 5/27/2022 7:36 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> >>> Loved it!  First time in a movie theater since Covid.  The P51 was
> icing on the cake!
> >>>
> >>> Jeff Broadwick
> >>> CTIconnect
> >>> 312-205-2519 Office
> >>> 574-220-7826 Cell
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Re: [AFMUG] I Quit

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Funny front and center is my company's owner and former infrastructure
guy.  This musta been 10+ years ago

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> https://www.facebook.com/groups/433653481449452
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>
> I will keep it running for as long as people want to continue to post.
> But I realized that when we had our political meltdown last week, I could
> have killed it if it was on FB.
>
> So time to retire the work horses and buy a tractor I guess...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Frequency multiplication of spin waves to gigahertz frequencies achieved in simple material – Physics World

[Steven Kenney via AF]

VERY interesting!

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 3:35 PM Jaime Solorza 
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> https://physicsworld.com/a/frequency-multiplication-of-spin-waves-to-gigahertz-frequencies-achieved-in-simple-material/
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Re: [AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Thanks for that well written explanation.  Someone else described it as a
last hop router.  Yeah I used IGMP capable switches so that won't be an
issue.

Yes we use VLC for multicast testing.   The partner we are with does this
already but it all sort of is in a flat switched network.  So I've had some
limited experience.  I'd be curious to see if they actually have an (RP)
already and if you can relay those requests across multiple tik routers.

Yeah our apps use HLS and DASH.  I knew the claim that they could do
multicast was wrong.   I just thought maybe someone pulled it off.

Yeah not interested in transmuxing again!  We already spend a wad of cash
on our current INCA / WISI implementation for all of that to create
profiles.  But it was a joint venture so the equipment isn't onsite.

Thank you again this clarified everything for me.   Unfortunately with
Mikrotik I'll need to do it the hard way, which is a good way to learn the
ins and outs.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:19 PM Jesse DuPont 
wrote:

> Yes, Sparse mode is what you need. If you have Mikrotik routers at your
> sites, you'd want to get the Multicast package installed on the routers (at
> least those which would transit your multicast streams). You'll have a bit
> of work to setup PIM, particularly related to the Rendezvous Point. Cisco
> has a quasi-automatic way of doing it, but on Mikrotik you'll have to do it
> manually. Essentially, the RP (rendezvous point) is a router that can see
> all the multicast you have and all the routers between the RP and any
> device that would request the multicast stream need to have PIM running.
> Those routers will listen for IGMP join requests and send the requested
> multicast group (i.e. stream) towards the direction of the requestor. Also,
> make sure you allow all the PIM-related communications as well as IGMP
> messages in the input chain of the Mikrotiks. PIM is similar to OSPF or LDP
> in that it uses unsolicited UDP multicasts to create neighbor relationships
> and IGMP's are also multicast.
>
> If you have switches between the routers and the AP's, if they're managed
> switches and they support IGMP snooping, you'll want to turn that on so it
> only sends multicast out ports that are towards a requestor. If they're not
> managed or don't support IGMP snooping, they'll just send whatever
> multicast comes into them out all ports.
>
> In the APs, I don't know exactly how Cambium handles multicast, but
> generally, multicast data is sent at the lowest (or low) MCS rate in
> wireless APs so it is more reliable. In this case, you'd want the multicast
> to be sent over the air at a high MCS rate so there was enough bandwidth
> for the stream. In UBNT, it's called Multicast Enhancement.
>
> The trick for you is getting something on the requestor end that knows
> what to do with a multicast stream. You can test it using VLC on a computer
> by joining the multicast group by telling VLC to open a network source with
> a URL like "udp://239.255.255.20:8100" (insert your multicast group IP
> and port here). VLC will send the IGMP join request, IGMP-aware router will
> hear it, and start sending it to VLC. The quickest way to test it is to be
> on the same L2 network as a Mikrotik and see if you get the stream. If PIM
> is working, you should. Then you can try to get behind an IGMP-aware RG
> (i.e. router) and see how it works for you. You'll also be able to watch
> the mechanics of PIM work, too, which is kind of cool.
>
> On the device-side of things, I don't think Firesticks, Apple TVs or
> Roku's support multicast video, only HLS. Even if they did, you'd need some
> kind of UI that had a mapping between channels and multicast groups/ports
> (i.e. Channel X is at multicast group address Y and port Z) and tune to it.
> I think you'd need some kind of a true set top box like an Amino to have it
> pull multicast.
>
> You could deploy a Wowza server. It could transmux the multicast streams
> into HLS streams and be a streaming media server (I'm ignoring scaling this
> at the moment). But if the video codec was something typical of IPTV (MPEG2
> with AC3 audio), then just transmuxing it won't likely be of any help
> because the video bitrate would be too high. You'd also need to transcoded
> at least the video to H.264 so the bitrate was reasonable (the AC3 audio
> can stay, all the above devices can deal with that). Obviously I'm making a
> lot of assumptions about your situation, but you get the idea.
> 
>
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>
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> On 2/23/22 2:43 PM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
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> Yeah just read 

Re: [AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Yeah just read up on it sounds exactly what I need.  It basically is a pull
mode which is exactly what I'm looking for.  So if it is a pull, I'm going
to need to get it to something to pull from.

Its time to RTFM methinks.. :)

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 4:40 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> This might be a clue:
> PIM Sparse Mode (PIM-SM) is *a multicast routing protocol designed on the
> assumption that recipients for any particular multicast group will be
> sparsely distributed throughout the network*. In other words, it is
> assumed that most subnets in the network will not want any given multicast
> packet.
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2022 2:32 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless
>
> So we are delivering IPTV unicast at the moment but I do have the ability
> to receive all the multicast streams.  So I had been toying with the idea
> of actually using Multicast over wireless.
>
> I can get the multicast to the towers without an issue.   Once it hits a
> Cambium AP (either 450 or ePMP) I'm not entirely sure how I can deliver
> this to my customers because the totality of the streams are in excess of
> 1Gbps.  So being a bit new to multicast it makes me wonder how you could
> get an end user device to join a multicast stream...without a set top box.
>
> So we use Fire Sticks,  Roku, Apple TV all over the top.  I don't think
> the app even supports multicast yet.  But I've been told it can be done,
> potentially at the router.
>
> Is this madness or is it really possible?  How would a home router be able
> to convert and request joins of streams and deliver it unicast to multiple
> devices in the LAN?
>
> I definitely need to read up in IGMP in detail as to its sparse and dense
> modes.  Right now we'd be receiving it all in dense mode.
>
> Anyone out there actually successfully deliver multicast via Cambium at
> this scale? (over 1Gbps stream data)
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Re: [AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Also I'm aware I can use Mikrotik for actually routing Multicast as well
and I can use sparse mode to limit what is needed.  I'm still curious to
see how all of you have done this as a WISP.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 4:32 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> So we are delivering IPTV unicast at the moment but I do have the ability
> to receive all the multicast streams.  So I had been toying with the idea
> of actually using Multicast over wireless.
>
> I can get the multicast to the towers without an issue.   Once it hits a
> Cambium AP (either 450 or ePMP) I'm not entirely sure how I can deliver
> this to my customers because the totality of the streams are in excess of
> 1Gbps.  So being a bit new to multicast it makes me wonder how you could
> get an end user device to join a multicast stream...without a set top box.
>
> So we use Fire Sticks,  Roku, Apple TV all over the top.  I don't think
> the app even supports multicast yet.  But I've been told it can be done,
> potentially at the router.
>
> Is this madness or is it really possible?  How would a home router be able
> to convert and request joins of streams and deliver it unicast to multiple
> devices in the LAN?
>
> I definitely need to read up in IGMP in detail as to its sparse and dense
> modes.  Right now we'd be receiving it all in dense mode.
>
> Anyone out there actually successfully deliver multicast via Cambium at
> this scale? (over 1Gbps stream data)
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[AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless

[Steven Kenney via AF]

So we are delivering IPTV unicast at the moment but I do have the ability
to receive all the multicast streams.  So I had been toying with the idea
of actually using Multicast over wireless.

I can get the multicast to the towers without an issue.   Once it hits a
Cambium AP (either 450 or ePMP) I'm not entirely sure how I can deliver
this to my customers because the totality of the streams are in excess of
1Gbps.  So being a bit new to multicast it makes me wonder how you could
get an end user device to join a multicast stream...without a set top box.

So we use Fire Sticks,  Roku, Apple TV all over the top.  I don't think the
app even supports multicast yet.  But I've been told it can be done,
potentially at the router.

Is this madness or is it really possible?  How would a home router be able
to convert and request joins of streams and deliver it unicast to multiple
devices in the LAN?

I definitely need to read up in IGMP in detail as to its sparse and dense
modes.  Right now we'd be receiving it all in dense mode.

Anyone out there actually successfully deliver multicast via Cambium at
this scale? (over 1Gbps stream data)

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Consider a fridge that runs on either electric or propane like RV's.  They
work great.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 5:10 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Say a similar on grid home used 500 kWh per month. That is equivalent to a
> steady state load of almost 700 watts.  Round up to 1kW.  So 10 kW panel
> minimum.  Panels are cheap these days.  I would do 20kW if you can.  Batts
> are not so cheap.  That is where you can save some big money with a modest
> generator.  Propane is nice.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 19, 2022, at 2:45 AM, Chuck McCown via AF 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Major off topic. Off grid home

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Very cool inverter.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 7:08 PM Robert  wrote:

> I am working on my first off grid home, and hope to do another in the
> future somewhere more northerly..This one is in the sunbelt of N.
> Nevada and currently I have 4K of solar feeding a 30KW LFP battery bank
> through currently a Victron charge controller and a couple midnight
> solar inverters to generate a flawed 220 as well as two sides of 110.  (
> the 220 will not run the well controller even though supposedly
> configured for such. )I am upgrading the inverters and controller to
> a
>
> https://www.signaturesolar.com/products/8kw-48v-240vac-split-phase-120a-250vdc-off-grid-inverter-by-growatt
>
> planning on doing a couple 9K mini-splits for heating/cooling.
>
> I wonder if this group has some gotchas that I might learn from in
> advance before I buy myself into a corner...I'm all ears..
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper Router

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Plus you need to unlock certain license levels in bigger toys like this.
To enable L3 on a switch etc.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 3:21 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Not all features are honor-based (10G chassis interfaces on MX104 for
> example).
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 3:16 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
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>> New juniper flex licensing is the same cost I think with a perpetual
>> license as prior so not a big deal I think. Also licensing is an honor
>> system.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:57 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
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>>> Like you used to be able to do for Cisco?  Maybe you can still do it.
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 12:49 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Juniper Router
>>>
>>> If you want full support it has to be either new or a certified refurb,
>>> sometimes your VAR can get one from eBay put on a support plan if it is
>>> still new.
>>>
>>> I have read that you can also get support on like an eight Port switch
>>> for $30 a quarter which gives you access to all of the firmware for every
>>> juniper.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:43 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
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>>>
>>>> I bought an MX240 grey market reputable source off lease.  Firmware
>>>> terribly out of date.  Couldn't get the firmware for it so I had to get it
>>>> back into their support system.   They wanted $45k.+++   I paid $15k for
>>>> the unit.Bye bye Juniper.
>>>>
>>>> If it were reasonable I'd absolutely got it back into their support
>>>> system.
>>>>
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>>>>> It appears to be a good deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/154795687599
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper Router

[Steven Kenney via AF]

That is an interesting read.  :)

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:49 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> If you want full support it has to be either new or a certified refurb,
> sometimes your VAR can get one from eBay put on a support plan if it is
> still new.
>
> I have read that you can also get support on like an eight Port switch for
> $30 a quarter which gives you access to all of the firmware for every
> juniper.
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:43 AM Steven Kenney via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> I bought an MX240 grey market reputable source off lease.  Firmware
>> terribly out of date.  Couldn't get the firmware for it so I had to get it
>> back into their support system.   They wanted $45k.+++   I paid $15k for
>> the unit.Bye bye Juniper.
>>
>> If it were reasonable I'd absolutely got it back into their support
>> system.
>>
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>>
>>> It appears to be a good deal.
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/154795687599
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper Router

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They practically give them away now because they know you need their
firmware.  If you are not patched and up to date you are vulnerable

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:44 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> I think it will need a lot of different cards to work. Like a cpu card,
> Nat card etc. That's probably too much for what you need and the power
> consumption will be big. Maybe mx150 mx80 mx204 or possibly mx240
>
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>> It appears to be a good deal.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/154795687599
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Re: [AFMUG] Juniper Router

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I bought an MX240 grey market reputable source off lease.  Firmware
terribly out of date.  Couldn't get the firmware for it so I had to get it
back into their support system.   They wanted $45k.+++   I paid $15k for
the unit.Bye bye Juniper.

If it were reasonable I'd absolutely got it back into their support
system.

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> It appears to be a good deal.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/154795687599
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Re: [AFMUG] Camera recommendations

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Synology is freakin awesome.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 9:51 AM  wrote:

> Moring all,
>
>
>
> We are currently using Unifi Protect and are jumping ship to Synology. Can
> any one recommend a set of cameras they are selling to customer? Synology
> has over 7000 devices that are compatible. Looking for advise form those
> that have tested. Pro and Cons. I need a few models to choose from.
> Bullets, domes and PTZ.
>
> Thanks for and info you can provide.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast is served

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Not in Canada!  Hyperinflation is around the corner.  It really is ramping
up here.  Cost of food is through the roof.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 10:59 AM  wrote:

> I think I’m spoiled by an abundance of cheap diners.
>
> I’d expect $6 for a plate of eggs, toast, and home fries with coffee.  An
> extra couple bucks for sausage or bacon.
>
>
>
> An omelet with toast and home fries is $7-8.   For $15 I hope you’re
> getting an awesome breakfast.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Monday, November 01, 2021 10:45 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast is served
>
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>
> For a sit down in a restaurant, just your usual 3 eggs bacon toast etc
> will be $15 per person easily.  In fact once you get taxed and tip it'll be
> $20 per.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 10:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
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> Is that $8 Canadian (I presume)? That's like $6.50 at today's exchange
> rate. I go out for breakfast with friends a couple times a month, and my
> breakfast usually runs between $20 and $24 depending on the place. In
> Canadian dollars that is between $25 and $30.
>
>
>
> bp
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast is served

[Steven Kenney]

For a sit down in a restaurant, just your usual 3 eggs bacon toast etc will
be $15 per person easily.  In fact once you get taxed and tip it'll be $20
per.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 10:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

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> Canadian dollars that is between $25 and $30.
>
>
> bp
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> a shot as most of their breakfast sandwiches are horrible.  This one is
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> expect to pay a minimum of $8 for a coffee and breakfast sandwich!
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

[Steven Kenney]

How is V7 anyway?  I hear it is still buggy,  but I mean does it crash a
lot?  What if you are pretty much just using it for straight BGP/OSPF
routing and nothing more?

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:05 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> I'm walking on banana-peels, hell they won't even let me climb a ladder
> On 10/30/21 06:43, James Howard wrote:
>
> It’s obvious you guys are all zombies.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of * Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 30, 2021 7:54 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA
>
>
>
> I am not dead yet.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 7:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> Not dead yet.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
> 
>
> so who is going to takeover this mail-list?
>
> On 10/29/21 15:30, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> There's still a lot of yellow on this page
>
> https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/v7+Routing+Protocol+Status
>
> I just tried to upgrade a test router running simple OSPF from 6.49 to
> 7.1rc5 and the OSPF sessions never came back up, so I'm guessing their
> config conversion code isn't working quite right yet.
>
>
>
> On 10/29/2021 4:05 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> The new RB5009 is also v7 only.
>
>
>
> Does this mean v7 is actually getting to the point that it's usable?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:26 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
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> That's one hell of a PSA!  Thanks.
>
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> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:48 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
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> I forgot there was more than one CCR2004 model.  I was specifically
> talking about the CCR2004-16G-2S+, the Routerboard Product page for it says
> V7 only.
>
> On 10/29/2021 11:41 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> None of mine shipped with ROS7.  I have probably 8-10 of them, all on
> ROS6.  Guess it must be the newer batch.  I wonder if ROS7 fixed the issues
> with them.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:33 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
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> Just got my shipment in, I missed that they come with ROS7.0.4 and you
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Breakfast is served

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In Canada Tim Hortons actually has a steak and egg sandwich now.  Gave it a
shot as most of their breakfast sandwiches are horrible.  This one is
absolutely fantastic, only costs $5 !   Canada now you want breakfast
expect to pay a minimum of $8 for a coffee and breakfast sandwich!

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Re: [AFMUG] Need to replace CCR1072 being used for NAT

[Steven Kenney]

Yep and Mikrotik won't touch it.  Even though there is plenty of memory and
resources available.

It seems to be the 1 million connection mark when things go bad.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 8:57 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> The issue becomes apparent when you exceed ~3gbps traffic
> On 7/12/2021 8:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> we do limited NAT in ours with BGP, but we dont go over 2gbs. We recently
> finished deploying all our new ARIN IP space so we have very little NAT.
> Never had the issue, but thats not a statement that it doesnt happen, its
> more a statement of we stopped NAT before traffic got to the point it did
> happen
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 5:52 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> That's what I've heard, too.  The 1072 doesn't like NAT and/or connection
>> tracking.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
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>>
>> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 3:05 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> as I understand it its an issue with the 1072s specifically
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 1:49 PM Matt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is it something specific with the CCR1072? We have been using the
>>>> CCR1036 units for quite a while and have had no issues. Not doing NAT
>>>> but doing BGP and firewalling etc.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 1:22 PM castarritt 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > We have had a CCR1072 doing all our NAT for years, but lately it has
>>>> been unstable.  Obviously, we can't just turn off connection tracking, so
>>>> it looks like we will be replacing it.  We are looking at switching to a
>>>> CHR solution, but we don't know what kind of hardware would be ideal, or
>>>> how performance would compare to a CCR.  We are pushing ~6.5g of traffic at
>>>> peak, and CPU usage on the 1072 tops out around 25-30%.
>>>> >
>>>> > Maxxwave has their "Vengeance 3" with an 8-core 9900k CPU, or we
>>>> could get a used R630 with 2x E5-2698V4 20-core CPUs for about the same
>>>> money.  The 9900k would be faster for single-threaded processes, but the
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Re: [AFMUG] Sonar discussions

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They have their own community forum which was really helpful to me in the
past.

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:59 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/groups/921593151304842
> https://sonar.community/
>
> There's also a Sonar channel in The Brother's WISP Slack.
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
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>
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> *Sent: *Monday, May 3, 2021 8:04:22 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Sonar discussions
>
> Is there anywhere specific (email reflectors, forums, facebook groups,
> ...) where Sonar is being discussed?
>
> Thanks,
> Brough
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Steven Kenney]

By all means take any precaution you wish. People at risk should. But don't 
impose your beliefs on others. If you see a non mask wearer - stay away from 
them. Go ahead and live your life in fear. The way things are going right now, 
this will never end. We tried your way, it didn't work, it didn't even make a 
dent on the numbers. In fact it bought the virus time to mutate and make things 
worse. 

First they said masks wouldn't work, you'd need a bare minimum of a N95 so 
don't bother. Then they said wear the mask, now you need to wear 3. This is a 
clown show. It is time to try a different way. The quickest way to immunity and 
return to normal life. If you do anything that prolongs that from happening you 
are clearly advocating for big pharma and the medical community to now be our 
new governing body. 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59:42 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? 

The best cheese is that that is handed down to you 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes < [ 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net | mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net ] 
> wrote: 


And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish. 

It's a year... maybe a year and a half. 

You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat, out in 
large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from getting 
infected? 

I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have 
helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people? 

The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't cha 
know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing through 
who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat next to 
someone not in their immediate family. 

Do masks work? 

You tell me  I was talking 4 feet from my SIL who somehow got COVID 
and so far I have no symptoms. This was 3 days before she shows 
symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know. 

We were both wearing masks. 

The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as long as 
it doesn't harm others. 

I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think the 
numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run gangbusters 
into the contagion. We're adults and can make decisions for ourselves. 
Just don't come see me after you've done that, please. 

On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: 
> Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who 
> actually get it that die or have some lingering issues. Not to mention 
> there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or the 
> lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread. It certainly has 
> eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments! 
> 
> This is a situation I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid off and 
> go on with our lives. Those who are at high risk should take 
> precautions. The quicker we develop this immunity as a human race, the 
> better off we are in the long run. 
> 
> People here and relatives I've talked to all across North America are 
> all fed up and had enough of this nonsense. It is only a matter of time 
> before people stop abiding and it will take some serious orwellian 
> jackboots to get people to "conform". The kool aid is running out and 
> we'll start to see more and more states start going the way of Texas. 
> 
> Disclaimer: It is a nasty and deadly cold and people should take 
> precautions to protect themselves. 
> 
>  
> *From: *"Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" < [ mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com | 
> j...@brazoswifi.com ] > 
> *To: *"af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] >, "Josh Luthman" < 
> [ mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com | j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] > 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 5, 2021 7:19:59 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? 
> 
> Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of April 4th). 
> 
> Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid. 
> 
> That's practically non-existent. 
> 
> Live life, or don't. Just don't complain when other's live their life. 
> 
> Jim Bouse 
> Owner - Brazos WiFi 
> 979-985-5912 
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> 
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> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:40 PM 
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
> af@af.afmug.com ] >; Josh Luthman 
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

[Steven Kenney]

Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who actually get 
it that die or have some lingering issues. Not to mention there is little to no 
evidence or statistics that the masks or the lockdowns have prevented or even 
hindered the spread. It certainly has eliminated the regular flu and all other 
similar ailments! 

This is a situation I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid off and go on 
with our lives. Those who are at high risk should take precautions. The quicker 
we develop this immunity as a human race, the better off we are in the long 
run. 

People here and relatives I've talked to all across North America are all fed 
up and had enough of this nonsense. It is only a matter of time before people 
stop abiding and it will take some serious orwellian jackboots to get people to 
"conform". The kool aid is running out and we'll start to see more and more 
states start going the way of Texas. 

Disclaimer: It is a nasty and deadly cold and people should take precautions to 
protect themselves. 


From: "Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]"  
To: "af" , "Josh Luthman"  
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:19:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? 

Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of April 4th). 

Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid. 

That's practically non-existent. 

Live life, or don't. Just don't complain when other's live their life. 

Jim Bouse 
Owner - Brazos WiFi 
979-985-5912 
http://www.brazoswifi.com 

-Original Message- 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:40 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Josh Luthman 
 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? 

Texas: I'd be going to Dallas. 

Pennsylvania: I'm no where near Philly or Pittsburgh. 

My County has about 34 new cases per day. 

On 4/5/21 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
> Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases? Hmm sure seems 
> like you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count. 
> 
> Josh Luthman 
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> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes 
>  > wrote: 
> 
> Same here 
> 
> Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke. 
> 
> On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote: 
> > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax 
> attitude 
> > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern. 
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman 
> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
> >  >> wrote: 
> > 
> > >Is her daughter still involved with the organization? 
> > 
> > Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php 
> > 
> > Josh Luthman 
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 
> > Direct: 937-552-2343 
> > 1100 Wayne St 
> > Suite 1337 
> > Troy, OH 45373 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
> > >> wrote: 
> > 
> > I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense. 
> > I always got along with her just fine. I thought she was 
> a hoot. 
> > But if I was to make a joke it might have gone something like 
> > this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless they have 
> > some broad walking the floor with a tumbler of whisky in 
> her hand. 
> > But that would be mean, so I will refrain... 
> > Is her daughter still involved with the organization? 
> > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:46 PM 
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? 
> > We're waiting until WISPAPALOOZA in the fall... 
> > We had basically decided a while ago to not do any business 
> > travel before June 1st, unless something major 
> changed. So 
> > we didn't make any plans. Part of what we were waiting 
> for was 
> > for either cases to settle down a lot more than they are even 
> > now, OR to be immunized to reduce my risk factors down to 
> where 
> > I was more comfortable in attending. 
> > As it turns out, it probably would have been ok for us to 
> go as 
> > both Debbie and I will be fully immunized a couple of weeks 
> > before the show. But, unfortunately, as a vendor it's not 
> > really possible to get everything together that quickly to 
> > attend. Plus we have some internal projects in progress we 
> > would have to put on hold which can't really be put on 
> hold at 
> > this point. So we're going to have to miss this one. 
> > Assuming everything continues trending in the right 
> direction, 
> > we'll be in vegas. We also have a show in I think 
> August that 
> > we're planning on attending. 
> > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:50 PM dave 
> mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote: 
> > 
> > Im waiting for vegas show 
> > 
> > 
> > On 3/31/21 1:07 PM, Josh Luthman 

Re: [AFMUG] PRTG

[Steven Kenney]

So its still the old hotness vs the new hotness (LibreNMS)... 


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From: "Bill Prince"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 11:24:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PRTG 



I think Gino might have been using it a long time ago, but I'm betting he's 
moved on since then (as have many (most) of us). 


bp
 
On 3/24/2021 8:03 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: 



Anyone use it? I looked at it about 10 years ago. It was nice and I like its 
hierarchical method but its interface also was a bit of a jumbled mess. Not to 
mention there was zero support for wireless. 

I recently installed just to see how much it has progressed and I still cannot 
find any cambium or ubiquiti support. Anyone else actually manage to devise a 
template for wireless devices? Also some of the templates I see that are made 
for some items like Adtran are old and out of date, not kept up etc. Just 
trying to gauge whether this would be a good fit for us as we grow. 


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[AFMUG] PRTG

[Steven Kenney]

Anyone use it? I looked at it about 10 years ago. It was nice and I like its 
hierarchical method but its interface also was a bit of a jumbled mess. Not to 
mention there was zero support for wireless. 

I recently installed just to see how much it has progressed and I still cannot 
find any cambium or ubiquiti support. Anyone else actually manage to devise a 
template for wireless devices? Also some of the templates I see that are made 
for some items like Adtran are old and out of date, not kept up etc. Just 
trying to gauge whether this would be a good fit for us as we grow. 


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Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Steven Kenney]

Well this is a case of combining a lot of people into 1 system who are used to 
their own systems. So some people prefer Google some prefer Microsoft and I 
need to be the voice of reason and break it down for all to see. So the 
decision will be clear. 


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From: "Darin Steffl"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 12:28:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 

We love Google apps going on 9 years now. I've never been a fan of Microsoft. 

We also use slack but if Microsoft includes much of the functionality of slack 
and zoom in their offerings, it may be worth looking into for someone wanting 
to switch. 

We love Google too much and have very few pain points so there is nothing 
driving us to even research an alternative. 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021, 3:41 PM David Coudron < [ 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com | david.coud...@advantenon.com ] > wrote: 





We work with a number of mid to enterprise sized corporate clients as part of 
our consulting practice. Within those communities, Google’s toolset holds a 
very small piece of the market, if even countable. Microsoft’s toolset, (Office 
365 with Exchange, Teams, Sharepoint, Outlook, etc) seems to be very stable and 
very secure. These organizations spend a lot of time looking at these kinds of 
things. 



Additionally, these same organizations are moving their applications 
environments to AWS and Azure in large volume. We are seeing healthcare 
organizations handling HIPAA and HITRUST requirements as well as strong PCI 
requirement driven movement. While we don’t have data points for these kinds of 
movements, we are not seeing much push to move towards Google. This same 
movement is pushing down to smaller and smaller organizations all the time. We 
recently had a client with 3 employees move from Google to Microsoft’s Office 
365 as they struggled with some of the gaps in the Google offering. 



The Teams client has been problematic as I understand it, however, for a year, 
our consultants feel it surpasses Zoom and Webex. We don’t see enough of Google 
Meet for that to even be a comparison. A big benefit to Teams is that includes 
the functionality of Slack (for the most part), Zoom, and shared file 
systems/repositories. Additionally it is integrated into Outlook very well. 



All this being said, there are always reasons for organizations to pick another 
option. My wife’s firm has been using Google for 6-7 years, but they are 
actively looking to move towards Microsoft, just hard to pull the trigger like 
that in a year like 2020. There are several reasons, not the least of which 
are: 

1. You get an Office apps license for users that you pay extra for. It is 
lots easier then managing separate Office and Google app licenses. 
2. You get 1 TB of drive storage for each user allowing them to back up 
their computer hard drives without having to purchase another license for 
something to do that. 
3. No need to have Slack and Teams, can do it all in Teams (they had this 
before Hangout was mature enough) 
4. No need to have Zoom and Teams can do it all in Teams (they had this 
before Meet was mature enough) 




Honestly, we really don’t see any 40 person organizations move to Google from 
Office365. It is always the other way around. But obviously that is just our 
experience so take that for what it’s worth. (not much  ) 



Regards, 



David Coudron 




From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:18 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 





microsoft all the way. slower to adopt new toy tech, longer support of outdated 
endpoints, stodgy old goats are reliable old goats. The whole current security 
issue is a nothingburger to me as I assume google just never comes clean 





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| st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its documents, 
email server , video conferencing, project management and other applications 
from on prem to cloud based. 





Which one do you choose? 





One will cost more than the other for sure. 


One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote manage 
computers 


One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off. 


One is more reliable than the 

Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Steven Kenney]

Such useful information. Thanks. I've been breaking down the apples to apples 
and and the only thing making me lean toward MS is the Azure AD angle. This way 
I can manage all the Windows machines and they all have one login for pretty 
much everything. That being said going Google its just one browser login for 
everything. 

Just my experience with Microsoft has been a clown show. I don't trust Google 
an inch, but a lot of what they built was on the backs of open source and 
interoperability so I respect that. 




From: "David Coudron"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 4:40:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 



We work with a number of mid to enterprise sized corporate clients as part of 
our consulting practice. Within those communities, Google’s toolset holds a 
very small piece of the market, if even countable. Microsoft’s toolset, (Office 
365 with Exchange, Teams, Sharepoint, Outlook, etc) seems to be very stable and 
very secure. These organizations spend a lot of time looking at these kinds of 
things. 



Additionally, these same organizations are moving their applications 
environments to AWS and Azure in large volume. We are seeing healthcare 
organizations handling HIPAA and HITRUST requirements as well as strong PCI 
requirement driven movement. While we don’t have data points for these kinds of 
movements, we are not seeing much push to move towards Google. This same 
movement is pushing down to smaller and smaller organizations all the time. We 
recently had a client with 3 employees move from Google to Microsoft’s Office 
365 as they struggled with some of the gaps in the Google offering. 



The Teams client has been problematic as I understand it, however, for a year, 
our consultants feel it surpasses Zoom and Webex. We don’t see enough of Google 
Meet for that to even be a comparison. A big benefit to Teams is that includes 
the functionality of Slack (for the most part), Zoom, and shared file 
systems/repositories. Additionally it is integrated into Outlook very well. 



All this being said, there are always reasons for organizations to pick another 
option. My wife’s firm has been using Google for 6-7 years, but they are 
actively looking to move towards Microsoft, just hard to pull the trigger like 
that in a year like 2020. There are several reasons, not the least of which 
are: 

1. You get an Office apps license for users that you pay extra for. It is 
lots easier then managing separate Office and Google app licenses. 
2. You get 1 TB of drive storage for each user allowing them to back up 
their computer hard drives without having to purchase another license for 
something to do that. 
3. No need to have Slack and Teams, can do it all in Teams (they had this 
before Hangout was mature enough) 
4. No need to have Zoom and Teams can do it all in Teams (they had this 
before Meet was mature enough) 




Honestly, we really don’t see any 40 person organizations move to Google from 
Office365. It is always the other way around. But obviously that is just our 
experience so take that for what it’s worth. (not much  ) 



Regards, 



David Coudron 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 3:18 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 





microsoft all the way. slower to adopt new toy tech, longer support of outdated 
endpoints, stodgy old goats are reliable old goats. The whole current security 
issue is a nothingburger to me as I assume google just never comes clean 





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| st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 





You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its documents, 
email server , video conferencing, project management and other applications 
from on prem to cloud based. 





Which one do you choose? 





One will cost more than the other for sure. 


One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote manage 
computers 


One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off. 


One is more reliable than the other. 


One is more trustworthy than the other (although both are deep in government 
and alphabet agencies). 


One offers a nicer user experience for less technical people. IE: more 
accessible / user friendly 


One offers a more granular experience for more technical people. 


One is more compatible with a wide variety of hardware and software operating 
systems 








Consider this for a staff of 40 people half of which are technical half which 
are not as technical. 





Which route would you go? 








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Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Steven Kenney]

That I 100% agree with. Google can totally get away with breaches and failures. 
I'm willing to bet there are a multitude. They have people locked down so tight 
there it literally is like working for the CIA. I remember the one guy who 
tried to come out and whistleblow about google and they crucified this guy for 
life. 


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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 4:17:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 

microsoft all the way. slower to adopt new toy tech, longer support of outdated 
endpoints, stodgy old goats are reliable old goats. The whole current security 
issue is a nothingburger to me as I assume google just never comes clean 

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| st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its documents, 
email server , video conferencing, project management and other applications 
from on prem to cloud based. 

Which one do you choose? 

One will cost more than the other for sure. 
One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote manage 
computers 
One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off. 
One is more reliable than the other. 
One is more trustworthy than the other (although both are deep in government 
and alphabet agencies). 
One offers a nicer user experience for less technical people. IE: more 
accessible / user friendly 
One offers a more granular experience for more technical people. 
One is more compatible with a wide variety of hardware and software operating 
systems 


Consider this for a staff of 40 people half of which are technical half which 
are not as technical. 

Which route would you go? 


[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
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https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
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Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Steven Kenney]

It is a legit debate too : | 

Having Google or Microsoft as the lesser of the 2 evils is another debate on 
itself. Its pretty much NSA vs CIA. Each one has its purpose and mission but 
each one is corrupt and overreach their authority. Both Microsoft and Google do 
that. 

Can Google domain work without hosting the zone? 

I've heard meets is more reliable than teams.. 

I've been told Google authenticate can help eliminate some of our issues. We 
currently are using fusion auth but its demanding and requires a bit of dev 
time. 


From: "Matt Hopkins"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 2:14:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 

To be sure this could be a lively debate. 
We have been using Google for a few years now and overall am quite happy. Cloud 
uptime is phenomenal. I personally steer clear of Microsoft at all costs. For 
any use. Thank goodness for Steam's efforts on Linux gaming. Google is not 
innocent though, but my view is that they are the lesser of the two evils 
probably just because Microsoft has had more time to be more evil. One issue 
that we have with Google is that after the fact if you need to merge domains 
down the road, you can't. You basically have to delete accounts in one and 
create it again in the intended domain. This has only affected us after 
acquisitions of other companies. 

Google Meets works very well. 
Google Drive organization could use a little work in my opinion but it's still 
very functional. 
Google Domain (admin) controls are great and quite granular. 
Gmail works very well. 
Google SSO is handy. 


I can't speak a ton about the Microsoft Cloud offerings except from the reports 
of vulnerabilities and myriad of outages reported in the news. 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:46 AM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org 
| st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its documents, 
email server , video conferencing, project management and other applications 
from on prem to cloud based. 

Which one do you choose? 

One will cost more than the other for sure. 
One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote manage 
computers 
One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off. 
One is more reliable than the other. 
One is more trustworthy than the other (although both are deep in government 
and alphabet agencies). 
One offers a nicer user experience for less technical people. IE: more 
accessible / user friendly 
One offers a more granular experience for more technical people. 
One is more compatible with a wide variety of hardware and software operating 
systems 


Consider this for a staff of 40 people half of which are technical half which 
are not as technical. 

Which route would you go? 


[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
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Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Steven Kenney]

I know, I was going to pick Microsoft because its the lesser of the two evils 
but then again I used to work heavily with them 20 years and it was a clown 
show back then. But that being said it has come a long way on the cloud side of 
things. It just does not seem to be reliable. I was working in Azure AD 
yesterday and poof auth issues couldn't use it. 


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From: "Zach Underwood"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 1:53:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google 

After the latest zero days that MS got word of in January and did not patch in 
a month later onsite exchange is not looking the best. 

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 1:48 PM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its documents, 
email server , video conferencing, project management and other applications 
from on prem to cloud based. 

Which one do you choose? 

One will cost more than the other for sure. 
One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote manage 
computers 
One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off. 
One is more reliable than the other. 
One is more trustworthy than the other (although both are deep in government 
and alphabet agencies). 
One offers a nicer user experience for less technical people. IE: more 
accessible / user friendly 
One offers a more granular experience for more technical people. 
One is more compatible with a wide variety of hardware and software operating 
systems 


Consider this for a staff of 40 people half of which are technical half which 
are not as technical. 

Which route would you go? 


[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
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[AFMUG] Microsoft vs Google

[Steven Kenney]

You have a choice of moving your office applications, all of its documents, 
email server , video conferencing, project management and other applications 
from on prem to cloud based. 

Which one do you choose? 

One will cost more than the other for sure. 
One allows you to join a domain via Azure AD and set policies and remote manage 
computers 
One will be better to bounce SSO and auth off. 
One is more reliable than the other. 
One is more trustworthy than the other (although both are deep in government 
and alphabet agencies). 
One offers a nicer user experience for less technical people. IE: more 
accessible / user friendly 
One offers a more granular experience for more technical people. 
One is more compatible with a wide variety of hardware and software operating 
systems 


Consider this for a staff of 40 people half of which are technical half which 
are not as technical. 

Which route would you go? 


[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
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Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields

[Steven Kenney]

100% free... although developing for it can be time consuming, if you want you 
could always put in a feature request. The way I did it in the past (may not be 
the way now) was to add an issue to the git hub repo with specifics including 
the OID you want. Adding the battery expiry is a fantastic idea and if my dev 
wasn't on some other project right now he'd be working on it and would add it 
most likely. Along with rewriting the app for it. 


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From: "David Coudron"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 3:24:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields 



Yep, I think a wrong turn. If you have a linux box, you can definitely get 
going for free. As Steve said, there is lots in there for WISPs right out of 
the box. We had someone add some custom reports and other items to it. Stuff 
you could do on your own, but we decided to hire someone to do it. Pretty cool 
stuff overall. Much more reliable monitoring than Sonar which we also have 
running. 



Regards, 



David Coudron 




From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs 
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 2:18 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields 




A year ago I tried to install it, couldn't get it to run and then bumped into a 
license fee. I must have made a wrong turn. 


On 3/5/21 12:12 PM, Steve Jones wrote: 





I dig it, initial setup is pretty simple if the documentation is followed, odd 
how good their documentation is. 





I read all this stuff like I'm looking to do, that doesnt seem as simple, but 
the price is right. 











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mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com | david.coud...@advantenon.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



We recently got LibreNMS up and running in Azure hosting. Which no longer makes 
it free, but it has been a very stable and well performing way to go so far. 
Trying to keep our server footprint small where it makes sense. 



Regards, 



David Coudron 


From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Josh Baird 
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 2:04 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields 





LibreNMS is free. You just need a Linux host to run it. 





On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Jan-GAMs < [ mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net | 
j.vank...@grnacres.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



What does it cost $$ to deploy librenms? 


On 3/5/21 10:09 AM, Josh Baird wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



I don't think you would want to just modify the database. You could add support 
for it in code, though. Your best bet is to look at the code in GitHub (even 
pull requests for adding new features, etc) and trying to mimic what has 
already been done. 





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mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



One of you geeks probably messes a lot in this tool. 


I see in their forums some advice on doing things like this, but its not clear 
how easy it is to keep it working through migrations/rebuilds of librenms, etc 





An example Id like to have viewable on the ob=verview is 
1.3.6.1.4.1.318.1.1.1.2.1.3.0 thats is battery replacement date for APC UPS. 
custom OID doesnt work because its a date, not a counter or guage 





the ideal spot would be on the Overview tab. but all instructions I see 
indicate I need to add a column to the database. Im just now learning SQL, and 
given some time id [probably be comfortable, but right now I just see me 
breaking it. the other code isnt something im familiar with. 





Is there an easy mechanism for adding fields you want to collect or graph that 
Im not seeing or comprehending? 


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Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields

[Steven Kenney]

Glad to see since he shot his mouth off he's been going the way of the dodo and 
Libre has taken flight. Isn't that called schadenfreude? 



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From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 3:10:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms adding overview fields 

If I recall correctly, LibreNMS was forked from Observium..something to do 
with abrasive behavior from an Observium developer. 



On 3/5/2021 3:04 PM, Josh Baird wrote: 



LibreNMS is free. You just need a Linux host to run it. 

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 3:01 PM Jan-GAMs < [ mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net | 
j.vank...@grnacres.net ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



What does it cost $$ to deploy librenms? 
On 3/5/21 10:09 AM, Josh Baird wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

I don't think you would want to just modify the database. You could add support 
for it in code, though. Your best bet is to look at the code in GitHub (even 
pull requests for adding new features, etc) and trying to mimic what has 
already been done. 

On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 12:16 PM Steve Jones < [ 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

One of you geeks probably messes a lot in this tool. 
I see in their forums some advice on doing things like this, but its not clear 
how easy it is to keep it working through migrations/rebuilds of librenms, etc 

An example Id like to have viewable on the ob=verview is 
1.3.6.1.4.1.318.1.1.1.2.1.3.0 thats is battery replacement date for APC UPS. 
custom OID doesnt work because its a date, not a counter or guage 

the ideal spot would be on the Overview tab. but all instructions I see 
indicate I need to add a column to the database. Im just now learning SQL, and 
given some time id [probably be comfortable, but right now I just see me 
breaking it. the other code isnt something im familiar with. 

Is there an easy mechanism for adding fields you want to collect or graph that 
Im not seeing or comprehending? 
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Steven Kenney]

Found this interesting tidbit I didnt know about 

Snow Melt Mode 
Deployed basic Snow Melt Mode, during which Starlink produces additional heat 
to mitigate signal attenuation caused by snow build-up on the face of the user 
terminal. 



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From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "af" , "Steve Jones"  
Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 8:03:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already 

He's trying to land a Methane filled blimp while ignited! We already 
provided this was a bad idea with the Hindenburg. 

On 3/3/21 6:50 PM, Steve Jones wrote: 
> what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general 
> consumers are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is 
> the same reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we 
> used to just install and tell them to cut it. but too many 
> people complained about exactly what we told them would happen happening. 
> 
> I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other 
> landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors 
> and proving people wrong. 
> 
> But regardless, beta is beta 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza  <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote: 
> 
> Ha... 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF  <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: 
> 
> Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes. 
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM 
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already 
> From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... 
> unfortunately it's going to take a step backwards in Texas.. 
> I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes 
> to Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... 
> curious to see how well it works. 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>  wrote: 
> 
> I think that they are going to find more than enough 
> customers in hard to serve locations that they will not 
> encroach on the better served areas too much. I am always 
> an optimist. BTW, Covid will be done in a month... 
> *From:* Colin Stanners 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM 
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already 
> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few 
> hundred, or a thousand, customers on each bird to prepare 
> for when it's actually busy. (based on the "20Gbps" capacity 
> per sat) 
> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into 
> such a massive and complex system, people should be thankful 
> that it's working with a good-enough uptime right now. 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  
> wrote: 
> 
> Already hearing from folks who have the service that 
> they’re seeing dips below 15Mbps, and this at light 
> loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. Or 
> doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar? 
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Re: [AFMUG] Starship 10

[Steven Kenney]

They already are redesigning the landing legs. Personally I think they are 
terrible design and don't know how that thing actually did manage to land. 


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From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 8:28:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starship 10 

Technically Voyagers are the closest thing we have to starships. They are 
outside the influence of heliosphere...just saying 

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Landed and sat there for a few minutes pouring out fuel/oxidizer and 
then went BOOM 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations

[Steven Kenney]

Just word to the wise - prepare to ditch Mikrotik as soon as you near 10Gbps 
traffic. Their upper echelon hardware doesn't pass the muster. 


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From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 1:42:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations 



+1 
On 3/1/2021 1:41 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: 





Yeah, that’s why there is justification for using Mikrotik “garbage”. 



Mikrotik has got us where we are and allowed us to grow and grow our small team 
without a large upfront cost. 



And then migrate to bigger and better. 



Done this method a few times now and it’s worked out well. 



Moral of the story is, work the best with what you have and know your platform. 



I know Mikrotik. I can get angry and do have my rows with vendors and 
manufacturers, but we learn where we can reliably use what hardware over time. 



Starting from ground zero I would definitely use Mikrotik again since I know it 
and what it can and cannot do. 



But I am looking forward to the day when we invest in an MX series of highly 
available routers/platform. 



Just like it would be awesome if I had enough money up front to run all Cambium 
M and Terragraph for our WISP side lol 




From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com |  ] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 11:06 AM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations 




It's 5 digit numbers, however you choose to label it. 

The good news is one box will scale to staggering amounts of traffic. 




On 3/1/2021 1:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


Corvette money. Is that anything like cubic dollars? 


bp 
 


On 3/1/2021 9:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


CGNAT on Juniper requires an IP services card. With licensing it's like 
Corvette money. 

but that's kinda where we're at isn't it. 




On 3/1/2021 12:36 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN


I gave up the first time they asked me to record data for them during an 
instance and wanted us to let it hang and collect data. 



I was like no, not going to do that. 



And then started removing 1072 connection tracking altogether from my network. 



For the time being I’m using 1036 for CGNAT as a transition, then will head to 
CHR CGNAT, then Juniper. 



I agree that Mikrotik just isn’t focused on the 1072 anymore and this 
particular issue seems beyond them to repair. 



Which makes the 1072 a no starter for anything conn track for us ever again. 



I’ve got one 2004 doing the CGNAT now, and it’s on latest Stable release. 

Watching to see if it bails too, or is capable of doing it for the time being. 



But our end game it MPLS/VPLS and/or direct switch VLAN type segmentation of 
layer2 into our cores where we will do all of the heavy lifting. 








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Behalf Of Steven Kenney 
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:03 AM 
To: af [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |  ] 
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations 





Still fighting with Mikrotik about the 1072 reboots. New hardware didn't fix 
it, had several people check the configs all were good. After 2 months of going 
back and forth, escalating to a higher tier tech... I officially got a response 
that 1 million connections is too much for the 1072 and I should expect it to 
reboot and not function properly. That was their conclusion. Even though all of 
the 72 processors are under 50%, memory usage is only about 20% etc. Turn off 
connection tracking is the their solution. 





How about those apples? 








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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations

[Steven Kenney]

No no.. maybe a hundred people doing nat. I've almost eliminating all of them. 
Also need to nat some equipment for it to be able to update via the internet 
etc. 


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From: "Bill Prince"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 12:05:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations 



You have 6K subs doing NAT? That is more than I would attempt. 


bp
 
On 3/1/2021 8:54 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: 



About 6k. I mean its official meaning that is their "excuse" and their answer 
to the problem. Its ok because I've got an MX240 now I'm working on installing. 
But in all honesty I'm positive its just laziness on their part. They don't 
want to even try to lab this up or fix it. Many people never had this issues 
pre 6.44 and so many have complained since. 

I've had to have nat on this one particular router. I'm working on phasing it 
out but with resources and memory available this is absurd. I get these reboots 
during times where there is no increase in PPS upstream or on the router. Shame 
I don't think their mib allows you to graph connections. 


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From: "Bill Prince" [ mailto:part15...@gmail.com |  ] 
To: "af" [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |  ] 
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 11:35:02 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations 



I have to admit, I don't know that I've looked too much at he number of 
connections. How many subs does it take to achieve a million connections? 


bp
 
On 3/1/2021 8:02 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Still fighting with Mikrotik about the 1072 reboots. New hardware didn't fix 
it, had several people check the configs all were good. After 2 months of going 
back and forth, escalating to a higher tier tech... I officially got a response 
that 1 million connections is too much for the 1072 and I should expect it to 
reboot and not function properly. That was their conclusion. Even though all of 
the 72 processors are under 50%, memory usage is only about 20% etc. Turn off 
connection tracking is the their solution. 

How about those apples? 


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations

[Steven Kenney]

I'm going on the word of a bunch of threads I've already read on their forums 
where customers all discuss the issue. Also not to mention Mikrotik never 
chimed into any of the threads at all. 

Either they know exactly what the problem is and won't say because it can't be 
fixed or is a vulnerability, or they are lazy and don't want to fix it. 

I'm not positive 6.44 was the version - but I saw that and earlier people 
mentioning it didn't do it. I don't want to go back that far because of the 
security vulnerabilities. 


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From: "Jan-GAMs"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 12:00:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations 



What happens if you use an earlier version pre-6.44 firmware? Seems like an 
expensive piece of hardware to get such a lame excuse for support. 
On 3/1/21 8:54 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: 



About 6k. I mean its official meaning that is their "excuse" and their answer 
to the problem. Its ok because I've got an MX240 now I'm working on installing. 
But in all honesty I'm positive its just laziness on their part. They don't 
want to even try to lab this up or fix it. Many people never had this issues 
pre 6.44 and so many have complained since. 

I've had to have nat on this one particular router. I'm working on phasing it 
out but with resources and memory available this is absurd. I get these reboots 
during times where there is no increase in PPS upstream or on the router. Shame 
I don't think their mib allows you to graph connections. 


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From: "Bill Prince" [ mailto:part15...@gmail.com |  ] 
To: "af" [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |  ] 
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 11:35:02 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations 



I have to admit, I don't know that I've looked too much at he number of 
connections. How many subs does it take to achieve a million connections? 


bp
 
On 3/1/2021 8:02 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Still fighting with Mikrotik about the 1072 reboots. New hardware didn't fix 
it, had several people check the configs all were good. After 2 months of going 
back and forth, escalating to a higher tier tech... I officially got a response 
that 1 million connections is too much for the 1072 and I should expect it to 
reboot and not function properly. That was their conclusion. Even though all of 
the 72 processors are under 50%, memory usage is only about 20% etc. Turn off 
connection tracking is the their solution. 

How about those apples? 


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations

[Steven Kenney]

About 6k. I mean its official meaning that is their "excuse" and their answer 
to the problem. Its ok because I've got an MX240 now I'm working on installing. 
But in all honesty I'm positive its just laziness on their part. They don't 
want to even try to lab this up or fix it. Many people never had this issues 
pre 6.44 and so many have complained since. 

I've had to have nat on this one particular router. I'm working on phasing it 
out but with resources and memory available this is absurd. I get these reboots 
during times where there is no increase in PPS upstream or on the router. Shame 
I don't think their mib allows you to graph connections. 


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From: "Bill Prince"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 11:35:02 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations 



I have to admit, I don't know that I've looked too much at he number of 
connections. How many subs does it take to achieve a million connections? 


bp
 
On 3/1/2021 8:02 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: 



Still fighting with Mikrotik about the 1072 reboots. New hardware didn't fix 
it, had several people check the configs all were good. After 2 months of going 
back and forth, escalating to a higher tier tech... I officially got a response 
that 1 million connections is too much for the 1072 and I should expect it to 
reboot and not function properly. That was their conclusion. Even though all of 
the 72 processors are under 50%, memory usage is only about 20% etc. Turn off 
connection tracking is the their solution. 

How about those apples? 


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[AFMUG] Mikrotik Official Limitations

[Steven Kenney]

Still fighting with Mikrotik about the 1072 reboots. New hardware didn't fix 
it, had several people check the configs all were good. After 2 months of going 
back and forth, escalating to a higher tier tech... I officially got a response 
that 1 million connections is too much for the 1072 and I should expect it to 
reboot and not function properly. That was their conclusion. Even though all of 
the 72 processors are under 50%, memory usage is only about 20% etc. Turn off 
connection tracking is the their solution. 

How about those apples? 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID vax

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That is ok don't' worry. The extra limbs don't start to grow until 2 weeks 
later. Give it some time! 


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To: "af"  
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT COVID vax 


We got called earlier today to inform us we had been wait listed at the San 
Mateo Event Center. 
The person on the line told us to get there at 15:30, but no earlier. She 
repeated that "no earlier than 15:30" 5 or 6 times. 

We got there at 15:33. So far so good. We got to the entrance, they checked our 
names on the wait list and sent us straight in. Could not have taken more than 
5 minutes. We then went out to a holding area where they stacked us up for 15 
minutes to wait for any allergic reactions. I did not see anyone (probably 100 
cars in the holding area at any one time) get pulled out for a reaction. Then 
they let us loose and we skedaddled. 
However, I did see a bunch of people in a "pre-holding" area. Apparently if you 
were wait listed and got there before the appropriate time, you got sent to the 
back of the line. A. Very clever. 

At any rate, it's been almost 3 hours and neither of us has had any reaction. 
Not even a sore arm. 

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On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 5:58 PM Jaime Solorza < [ 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com | losguyswirel...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 



Wife had second vaccination on Monday...next day, she had slight headache. Her 
co-workers had chills and headaches. 
Mine is scheduled for Monday... keep you posted. 
Salud my fine feathered friends... 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021, 6:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN
So far, zero side effects. 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Feb 5, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Robert < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com | 
> i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote: 
> 
> Please keep us informed as to the effects. Specially if you start to cringe 
> at sunlight or feel a need to howl at the moon... 
> 
> Congrats! Step one to #NormalLife 
> 
>> On 2/5/21 3:26 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: 
>> My wife and I scored our first shots today. Lucky as a vial was defrosted, 5 
>> shots. Only one person made the appointment. So the staff scrambled to use 
>> the other 4 in the next 4 hours. Thankfully I was on a list. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

[Steven Kenney]

When was it added? From what I've been told its buggy and not as fluid and 
painless as vmware. I can migrate both hosts and datastores at the same time 
LIVE while a machine is running. Does Proxmox have DRS? 

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From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 4:52:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Proxmox has both of these featues. Plus with a ceph backend storage migration 
should become less of an issue as you effectively mirror drives across cluster 
nodes. 



On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 2:33 PM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



HA only.. no live migrations. No live storage migrations. Last I checked it 
didn't support it. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
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W: [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | www.wavedirect.net ] 


From: "Mike Hammett" < [ mailto:af...@ics-il.net | af...@ics-il.net ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:40:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Like? 



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From: "Steven Kenney" < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] 
> 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:39:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

You can use it for 10 servers. But it still won't do certain things that 
make managing all of them easy. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] | P: 519-737-9283 
W: [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | www.wavedirect.net ] 


From: "Mike Hammett" < [ mailto:af...@ics-il.net | af...@ics-il.net ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Strange. 
Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many, many 
racks full of servers. 



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https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] 
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[ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ 
https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] 
[ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] 

From: "Steven Kenney" < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] 
> 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do paravirtual 
before but it does now. 

[ https://xcp-ng.org/ | https://xcp-ng.org/ ] 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vaccination

[Steven Kenney]

Got mine too. 


From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:02 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Vaccination 

Got me my vaccination this morning...wife got hers on Monday...the Moderna 
version ...painless... 
Wife had sore arm that evening and got tired but it was gone next morning.. 
I have been fine all day...even look better when I took a selfie. 

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Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

[Steven Kenney]

HA only.. no live migrations. No live storage migrations. Last I checked it 
didn't support it. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
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W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:40:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Like? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
[ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ 
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ 
https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] 
[ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ 
https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] 
[ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] 

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:39:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

You can use it for 10 servers. But it still won't do certain things that 
make managing all of them easy. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Strange. 
Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many, many 
racks full of servers. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
[ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ 
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ 
https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] 
[ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ 
https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] 
[ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] 

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do paravirtual 
before but it does now. 

[ https://xcp-ng.org/ | https://xcp-ng.org/ ] 

Proxmox too many things its missing to list here. Its great for basic usage 2-3 
servers definitely. I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small operation. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:49:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)? 
Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at it. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
[ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ 
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ 
https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] 
[ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ 
https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] 
[ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] 

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Oh the combo.. couldn't he

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

[Steven Kenney]

You can use it for 10 servers. But it still won't do certain things that 
make managing all of them easy. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Strange. 
Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many, many 
racks full of servers. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
[ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ 
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ 
https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] 
[ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ 
https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] 
[ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] 

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do paravirtual 
before but it does now. 

[ https://xcp-ng.org/ | https://xcp-ng.org/ ] 

Proxmox too many things its missing to list here. Its great for basic usage 2-3 
servers definitely. I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small operation. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:49:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)? 
Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at it. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
[ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ 
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ 
https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] 
[ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ 
https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] 
[ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] 

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still 
doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty good 
xen material out there now. It has advanced much further than it used to be. 
Trying to find the link but the manager you need to pay for but its a fraction 
of Vmware. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:16:29 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting priced 
out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome task. 
Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup combo out 
there I'm guessing anything we move to will have a massive learning curve for 
me, 

What combos are out there that dont break the bank and are reliable as this? 

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Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

[Steven Kenney]

Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do paravirtual 
before but it does now. 

[ https://xcp-ng.org/ | https://xcp-ng.org/ ] 

Proxmox too many things its missing to list here. Its great for basic usage 2-3 
servers definitely. I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small operation. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:49:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)? 
Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at it. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
[ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ 
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ 
https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] 
[ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ 
https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] 
[ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] 

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still 
doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty good 
xen material out there now. It has advanced much further than it used to be. 
Trying to find the link but the manager you need to pay for but its a fraction 
of Vmware. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:16:29 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting priced 
out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome task. 
Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup combo out 
there I'm guessing anything we move to will have a massive learning curve for 
me, 

What combos are out there that dont break the bank and are reliable as this? 

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Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

[Steven Kenney]

Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still 
doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty good 
xen material out there now. It has advanced much further than it used to be. 
Trying to find the link but the manager you need to pay for but its a fraction 
of Vmware. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:16:29 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting priced 
out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome task. 
Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup combo out 
there I'm guessing anything we move to will have a massive learning curve for 
me, 

What combos are out there that dont break the bank and are reliable as this? 

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Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

[Steven Kenney]

Nakivo .. it just works. Its simple, effective and much more affordable than 
the competitors. 

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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:16:29 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting priced 
out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome task. 
Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup combo out 
there I'm guessing anything we move to will have a massive learning curve for 
me, 

What combos are out there that dont break the bank and are reliable as this? 

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